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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticG1 on March 15, 2013, 02:36:53 PM
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Not trying to get sympathy or take anything away from Miami (they were missing bosh for part of the series) but based on Bradlets impact last year and this year really makes you realize how big an injury that was last year. Maybe Doc wouldn't have trusted him as much as Ray down the stretch but still.
IMO not having Rondo is a huge loss if we face the Heat in the playoffs. The only thing I'm clinging to or a big thing I'm clinging to is that we have Bradley this year who can arguably impact the game just as much as Rondo can albeit in a different way.
We may not necessarily have a better chance but saying we don't have Rondo and failing to mention that we didn't have Bradley last year would seem to underestimate Bradleys impact IMO
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easily
i dont see game 6 slipping away with an intense bradley on wade, screwing up lebrons game overall since wade passes to him a lot
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No, it isn't.
The Celtics would of had a better chance, but Miami would still be clear favorites.
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No, it isn't.
The Celtics would of had a better chance, but Miami would still be clear favorites.
What do you mean? Going into the series yeah would habe still been same underdogs but after seeing that we lost in a game 7 I think we could have had the edge.
You'd at least think he would have pushed us over the edge in the game where rondos face was swiped. Unless you think he would have hurt us more than helped
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its relatively safe to say.... we'll never know.
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He would've been a huge help, no doubt, but Miami could say the same thing about having a healthy Chris Bosh for games 1-4.
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No it's not.
I hear alot of Celtics fans bring this up and I just don't think it's true.
Avery Bradley is a good player but he would NOT have made a difference.
I think Miami missing Chris Bosh for games 1-4, and then getting him back at 100% for game 6 and 7 was a MUCH bigger difference maker than Bradley would've been.
Remember, Lebron singlehandledly torched us in game 6 for 45 pts. Bradley doesn't even come close to impacting that.
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Maybe, but saying "safe to say" is just not true.
Wade was pretty well contained I thought. LeBron and Bosh when he came back killed us.
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If we had Bradley I think we would have won, but we will never know.
That being said if they had Bosh 100% for all 7 and we had Bradley 100% for all 7 I'd give them the edge.
It's pointless to look back because you can't say for certain.
If you want to talk about Bradley's impact, talk about how well he is playing this year defensively again and how is slowly finding the mid-range game he had in college.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
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Not trying to get sympathy or take anything away from Miami (they were missing bosh for part of the series) but based on Bradlets impact last year and this year really makes you realize how big an injury that was last year. Maybe Doc wouldn't have trusted him as much as Ray down the stretch but still.
IMO not having Rondo is a huge loss if we face the Heat in the playoffs. The only thing I'm clinging to or a big thing I'm clinging to is that we have Bradley this year who can arguably impact the game just as much as Rondo can albeit in a different way.
We may not necessarily have a better chance but saying we don't have Rondo and failing to mention that we didn't have Bradley last year would seem to underestimate Bradleys impact IMO
Nope. I don't see it. I love Bradley, but you are way overrating the kid's impact on that series.
However, if the Cs have both a healthy Green AND Bradley then.... uhm... yeah, still no.
Mk
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
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I think he would have made a huge difference simply because we wouldn't have had to have been double teaming Wade. I think people underestimate how huge this is. The entire defense becomes vulnerable when you double team him.
I think our chance this year comes down to two factors:
1) Bradley eliminating the need for a double team.
2) Improvement on defense of Lebron (Green instead of Pierce of Bass)
Of course, if we can;t put the ball in the hoop neither will matter.
Obviously I give the Heat the edge but I think an upset is possible.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
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Maybe but I'm not so sure because he wouldn't have been the one guarding Lebron.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
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Love people cryinf about this. It was just a simple comment.
Don't see how I am "WAY OVERRATING BRADLEY" When we lost in 7 games one of those losses an OT loss where we got crapped on with that Rondo foul.
Yeah everyone was injured jeff green wilcox pierce and ray were hobbled same with Miami. Just pointing out that 2 years in a row Bradley has completely turned around this team defensively or at least has spearheaded that movement.
Looking back at that 7 games series and seeing a larger sample size of Bradley I think its clear that we were missing him a lot more than we realized at the time.
I apologize for my ridiculous over the top statemenin advance
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Independent of all these hypotheticals, my sense is that Bradley's presence is less valuable vs. the Heat than vs. other teams.
First, Miami does not rely on the PG spot for offense.
Second, while Bradley can cover Wade, it is more of a stretch for him than it is to cover a PG.
Third, Miami has many non-PG outlet guys (Wade, Lebron, etc.) so having Bradley pressure the PG isn't as impactful.
And fourth, given that Bradley's value is in making other teams take too much time getting into the offense, Miami has two of the best shot-clock bailout options in the league in James and Wade. Heck, the way Lebron is playing right now he can get what is a good shot for him from anywhere on the court in about 3 seconds, in isolation.
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Go reenact the series in a parallel universe, with Bradley. Then, we can talk.
You can't make a "relatively safe" statement either way.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
I think you are just overreacting.
I'm just talking about this series. So you don't need to make up imaginary posters who talked about other series in history.
Its a little different than the bulls or magic not having their franchise players from the start and losing in round 1.
Just saying I think we would have won have we had bradley in that ecf match up, in which he played all the way up until. Also not saying we would have won the title anyway
If we lose in game 7 in a bunch of tight games this year yeah ill prob say rondo would have made a difference.
Im not asking for sympathy or not saying we are unlucky. Just at least in bradleys case i sometimes forget that he didnt play in that series. Seeing him be impactful this year makes me realize we were missing a bigger piece than i realized.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
I'm not going to count the posts and do a statistical analysis on posts making injury excuses for the Celtics vs. posts making injury excuses for the opposition, but I will promise not to make injury excuses for our team if every one else will promise not to make excuses for the other guys.
Personally, I feel that reaching game seven of the ECF against the league's prohibitive title favorites last year was a great result. I don't see any need to make excuses for that. (I expect this statement to be followed shortly by some "but if Miami had a healthy Bosh" or "if Chicago had a healthy Rose" posts).
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
I think you are just overreacting.
I'm just talking about this series. So you don't need to make up imaginary posters who talked about other series in history.
Its a little different than the bulls or magic not having their franchise players from the start and losing in round 1.
Just saying I think we would have won have we had bradley in that ecf match up, in which he played all the way up until. Also not saying we would have won the title anyway
If we lose in game 7 in a bunch of tight games this year yeah ill prob say rondo would have made a difference.
Im not asking for sympathy or not saying we are unlucky. Just at least in bradleys case i sometimes forget that he didnt play in that series. Seeing him be impactful this year makes me realize we were missing a bigger piece than i realized.
TP.
I would say I agree with you, but I just promised to not make any injury excuses . . . so I won't.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
I'm not going to count the posts and do a statistical analysis on posts making injury excuses for the Celtics vs. posts making injury excuses for the opposition, but I will promise not to make injury excuses for our team if every one else will promise not to make excuses for the other guys.
Personally, I feel that reaching game seven of the ECF against the league's prohibitive title favorites last year was a great result. I don't see any need to make excuses for that. (I expect this statement to be followed shortly by some "but if Miami had a healthy Bosh" or "if Chicago had a healthy Rose" posts).
Does this include all of the 2009 posts about KG's injury?
All of the 2010 posts about Perkins ACL, Ray Allen's thigh, and Rondo's injury that Tim posts relentlessly, sometimes dozens of times per day, about? I can point to hundreds of posts about Ray being injured by Metta and Rondo picking up an injury in the 2010 Magic series within the last week but none about Kobe and Bynum having knee surgery after the Finals or LeBron's elbow injury in 2010. Celtic injuries in the 2010 playoffs are posted about nearly as often as Celtics news in 2013.
All of the 2011 posts about Rondo's injury?
All of the 2012 posts about Bradley's injury?
Even all of the posts going back to the 80's about McHale's foot and Bird's back?
Excuses for the Celtics seem to outnumber excuses for the opposition about 1,000-1.
I'd be thrilled to see those disappear and they are not "imaginary" as CelticG1 might claim.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
I'm not going to count the posts and do a statistical analysis on posts making injury excuses for the Celtics vs. posts making injury excuses for the opposition, but I will promise not to make injury excuses for our team if every one else will promise not to make excuses for the other guys.
Personally, I feel that reaching game seven of the ECF against the league's prohibitive title favorites last year was a great result. I don't see any need to make excuses for that. (I expect this statement to be followed shortly by some "but if Miami had a healthy Bosh" or "if Chicago had a healthy Rose" posts).
Does this include all of the 2009 posts about KG's injury?
All of the 2010 posts about Perkins ACL, Ray Allen's thigh, and Rondo's injury that Tim posts relentlessly, sometimes dozens of times per day, about? I can point to hundreds of posts about Ray being injured by Metta and Rondo picking up an injury in the 2010 Magic series within the last week but none about Kobe and Bynum having knee surgery after the Finals or LeBron's elbow injury in 2010.
All of the 2011 posts about Rondo's injury?
All of the 2012 posts about Bradley's injury?
Even all of the posts going back to the 80's about McHale's foot and Bird's back?
Excuses for the Celtics seem to outnumber excuses for the opposition about 1,000-1.
I'd be thrilled to see those disappear and they are not "imaginary" as CelticG1 might claim.
Oh good. I don't have to do that statistical analysis. Thanks. You've already done it. 1000 to 1, you say? Those numbers are a little higher than I suspected. Oh well.
I don't remember any internet postings from the '80s, though.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
I'm not going to count the posts and do a statistical analysis on posts making injury excuses for the Celtics vs. posts making injury excuses for the opposition, but I will promise not to make injury excuses for our team if every one else will promise not to make excuses for the other guys.
Personally, I feel that reaching game seven of the ECF against the league's prohibitive title favorites last year was a great result. I don't see any need to make excuses for that. (I expect this statement to be followed shortly by some "but if Miami had a healthy Bosh" or "if Chicago had a healthy Rose" posts).
Does this include all of the 2009 posts about KG's injury?
All of the 2010 posts about Perkins ACL, Ray Allen's thigh, and Rondo's injury that Tim posts relentlessly, sometimes dozens of times per day, about? I can point to hundreds of posts about Ray being injured by Metta and Rondo picking up an injury in the 2010 Magic series within the last week but none about Kobe and Bynum having knee surgery after the Finals or LeBron's elbow injury in 2010.
All of the 2011 posts about Rondo's injury?
All of the 2012 posts about Bradley's injury?
Even all of the posts going back to the 80's about McHale's foot and Bird's back?
Excuses for the Celtics seem to outnumber excuses for the opposition about 1,000-1.
I'd be thrilled to see those disappear and they are not "imaginary" as CelticG1 might claim.
Oh good. I don't have to do that statistical analysis. Thanks. You've already done it. 1000 to 1, you say? Those numbers are a little higher than I suspected. Oh well.
I don't remember any internet postings from the '80s, though.
The excuses and posts were made recently about playoff games that occurred as far back as the 80s. I thought you would've been clever enough to pick that up in context. My apologies for overestimating your wit.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
I'm not going to count the posts and do a statistical analysis on posts making injury excuses for the Celtics vs. posts making injury excuses for the opposition, but I will promise not to make injury excuses for our team if every one else will promise not to make excuses for the other guys.
Personally, I feel that reaching game seven of the ECF against the league's prohibitive title favorites last year was a great result. I don't see any need to make excuses for that. (I expect this statement to be followed shortly by some "but if Miami had a healthy Bosh" or "if Chicago had a healthy Rose" posts).
Does this include all of the 2009 posts about KG's injury?
All of the 2010 posts about Perkins ACL, Ray Allen's thigh, and Rondo's injury that Tim posts relentlessly, sometimes dozens of times per day, about? I can point to hundreds of posts about Ray being injured by Metta and Rondo picking up an injury in the 2010 Magic series within the last week but none about Kobe and Bynum having knee surgery after the Finals or LeBron's elbow injury in 2010.
All of the 2011 posts about Rondo's injury?
All of the 2012 posts about Bradley's injury?
Even all of the posts going back to the 80's about McHale's foot and Bird's back?
Excuses for the Celtics seem to outnumber excuses for the opposition about 1,000-1.
I'd be thrilled to see those disappear and they are not "imaginary" as CelticG1 might claim.
Oh good. I don't have to do that statistical analysis. Thanks. You've already done it. 1000 to 1, you say? Those numbers are a little higher than I suspected. Oh well.
I don't remember any internet postings from the '80s, though.
The excuses and posts were made recently about playoff games that occurred as far back as the 80s. I thought you would've been clever enough to pick that up in context. My apologies for overestimating your wit.
No worries. Likewise.
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its relatively safe to say.... we'll never know.
This. I love Bradley as much as anyone but this is irrelevant and can't be proved but I certainly felt that way last season when it was relevant
Safe to say we're swept if bosh was healthy?
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its relatively safe to say.... we'll never know.
This. I love Bradley as much as anyone but this is irrelevant and can't be proved but I certainly felt that way last season when it was relevant
Safe to say we're swept if bosh was healthy?
Careful, someone might scold you with a passive aggressive and unamusing barb!
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
I think you are just overreacting.
I'm just talking about this series. So you don't need to make up imaginary posters who talked about other series in history.
Its a little different than the bulls or magic not having their franchise players from the start and losing in round 1.
Just saying I think we would have won have we had bradley in that ecf match up, in which he played all the way up until. Also not saying we would have won the title anyway
If we lose in game 7 in a bunch of tight games this year yeah ill prob say rondo would have made a difference.
Im not asking for sympathy or not saying we are unlucky. Just at least in bradleys case i sometimes forget that he didnt play in that series. Seeing him be impactful this year makes me realize we were missing a bigger piece than i realized.
TP.
I would say I agree with you, but I just promised to not make any injury excuses . . . so I won't.
So excuses in a passive aggressive but transparent manner don't count. Got it.
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its relatively safe to say.... we'll never know.
This. I love Bradley as much as anyone but this is irrelevant and can't be proved but I certainly felt that way last season when it was relevant
Safe to say we're swept if bosh was healthy?
Careful, someone might scold you with a passive aggressive and unamusing barb!
I agree with scaryjerry and Cman's sentiments.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'd say there are just as many, if not more, who claim that we would've won an infinite amount of titles if not because of one injury or another while ignoring any other injuries opposing teams went through.
Many posters on the forum seem to think we would've won 5 straight titles if not for injuries.
I think you are just overreacting.
I'm just talking about this series. So you don't need to make up imaginary posters who talked about other series in history.
Its a little different than the bulls or magic not having their franchise players from the start and losing in round 1.
Just saying I think we would have won have we had bradley in that ecf match up, in which he played all the way up until. Also not saying we would have won the title anyway
If we lose in game 7 in a bunch of tight games this year yeah ill prob say rondo would have made a difference.
Im not asking for sympathy or not saying we are unlucky. Just at least in bradleys case i sometimes forget that he didnt play in that series. Seeing him be impactful this year makes me realize we were missing a bigger piece than i realized.
TP.
I would say I agree with you, but I just promised to not make any injury excuses . . . so I won't.
So excuses in a passive aggressive but transparent manner don't count. Got it.
Yes, you've got it. In my game they don't count.
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I don't think we would've won even if we had AB, but here's an interesting thought:
A lot of times, Doc had Pierce guard Wade so that Wade had to deal with a bigger body. Plus, we double-teamed him a lot, forcing LeBron to do much of the Heat's scoring as well as playmaking. This proved to be successful for five games, until Bosh came back and we had to deal with three stars, not two. It should also be noted that Pierce exhausted himself doing this, as he had to guard the greatest player on the planet, too.
If we had AB, that allows us to put SINGLE coverage on Wade (who was not himself due to injury). That's massive, because it allows Pierce to expend all his defensive energy on LeBron, plus it gives us a great offensive weapon in Ray off the bench.
Again, I still don't think we would've won the series, but having Bradley would've helped a ton.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
You forgot Dwight Howard and Joakim Noah. It is Celtics tradition that all losses in Celtics history were due to an injury but the injuries of all other teams are irrelevant.
The injuries of other teams are most certainly not irrelevant. As a matter of fact, many posters on here will claim that our reaching game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals didn't actually count because of injuries to other teams' players.
I'm sort of in that line of thinking. I'm not gonna say it didn't count but it wasn't anywhere near as impressive to me as it was to others. The way everything fell into place we really had no business losing before we did. Maybe a game or so earlier but that's it.
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No ones making excuses here just my opinion.
If you think we would have been the same or worse that's fine if you think we would have been a better with Bradley then I think of that we probably would have won.
hate to say it but sometimes in sports you like to think of hypotheticals comparing players in different decades comparing different championship teams comparing lots of things. it can be fun to think about our talk about sometimes that's pretty much what these forms are 4 otherwise what ar we talking about why don't we just watching games and scores and leave it at that?
if the Lakers took us to 7 gamesin a tightly contested Series in 2008 I'd have no problem admitting that Andrew Bynum may have tipped the scales had he played
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Watching Jeff Green cover Lebron (and others) it is clear that Green's loss hurt just as much as Bradley's. But, alomost every team has injuries at the end of the year.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
This is a valid point. If we get to have Bradley back in this hypothetical scenario, so should other teams get their injured players back.
I think we still get to the ECF even if all of those other guys were healthy. Beating Miami, I'm not sold on that. I think the outcome would have been the same, but our chances might have increased.
Throw in Bradley AND Green, yeah I think we win.
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
This is a valid point. If we get to have Bradley back in this hypothetical scenario, so should other teams get their injured players back.
I think we still get to the ECF even if all of those other guys were healthy. Beating Miami, I'm not sold on that. I think the outcome would have been the same, but our chances might have increased.
Throw in Bradley AND Green, yeah I think we win.
If everybody is healthy then I don't think we make it out the second round vs the bulls.
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No. It's not "relatively safe" to say anything. We could have had Bradley and have done worse for some reason.
If the queen had balls, she'd be king
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Not trying to get sympathy or take anything away from Miami (they were missing bosh for part of the series) but based on Bradlets impact last year and this year really makes you realize how big an injury that was last year. Maybe Doc wouldn't have trusted him as much as Ray down the stretch but still.
IMO not having Rondo is a huge loss if we face the Heat in the playoffs. The only thing I'm clinging to or a big thing I'm clinging to is that we have Bradley this year who can arguably impact the game just as much as Rondo can albeit in a different way.
We may not necessarily have a better chance but saying we don't have Rondo and failing to mention that we didn't have Bradley last year would seem to underestimate Bradleys impact IMO
Nope. I don't see it. I love Bradley, but you are way overrating the kid's impact on that series.
However, if the Cs have both a healthy Green AND Bradley then.... uhm... yeah, still no.
Mk
well i disagree with that. then you have someone on the bench who can score.
as far as AB? I'm not sure
I hate paying the what if game anyway
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its relatively safe to say.... we'll never know.
This. I love Bradley as much as anyone but this is irrelevant and can't be proved but I certainly felt that way last season when it was relevant
Safe to say we're swept if bosh was healthy?
Yup. Which is why Miami is going to be near impossible to beat this year. If you look at their roster, they basically have all their spots covered.
You have a guy like Lebron who attacks the basket, Bosh down low for the rebound and 3 guys to kick the ball out to for the 3 in Wade, Ray and Battier.
Not going to be easy to beat.
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No. It's not "relatively safe" to say anything. We could have had Bradley and have done worse for some reason.
If the queen had balls, she'd be king
LOL!! ;D
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It's relativity safe to say that if Bosh hadn't been down we wouldn't have made it to 7 games. Or if Rose hadn't got hurt it's possible we'd never made it past the Bulls to the Eastern Finals.
It's possible if KG and Perk hadn't got hurt we would have more rings. But you play with what you've got and so it's pointless to speculate.
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If we had KG in 2009, Banner 18.
If we bad Perk in game 6/7 in 2010, we win Banner 19.
If we had healthy O'Neals and Rondo in 2011, raise Banner 20.
And yes, if we had a healthy Bradley and Green last year, the 5-peat brings us another parade and banner 21.
I'm only half joking.
*slides green glasses back up nose*
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Yes let's go back to the 2012 playoffs and make Avery Bradley healthy, but leave Chris Bosh, Derrick Rose, Al Horford, Josh Smith, Elton Brand, Thaddeus Young all still injured! ::)
This is a valid point. If we get to have Bradley back in this hypothetical scenario, so should other teams get their injured players back.
I think we still get to the ECF even if all of those other guys were healthy. Beating Miami, I'm not sold on that. I think the outcome would have been the same, but our chances might have increased.
Throw in Bradley AND Green, yeah I think we win.
If everybody is healthy then I don't think we make it out the second round vs the bulls.
Disagree
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If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley - maybe.
If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley, Green, Wilcox - no doubt we would have won it
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If we had KG in 2009, Banner 18.
If we bad Perk in game 6/7 in 2010, we win Banner 19.
If we had healthy O'Neals and Rondo in 2011, raise Banner 20.
And yes, if we had a healthy Bradley and Green last year, the 5-peat brings us another parade and banner 21.
I'm only half joking.
*slides green glasses back up nose*
I think in 2009 if we at least had Powe we could have won it.
If we had Green and Bradley last year, playing like they're playing right now, we could very well have beaten Miami. (for that matter, if we get the call on Wade fouling Rondo, we win game 2 and take the series in 5)
no need to be shy about those green glasses. wear them proudly. I do 8)
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Of course it isn't safe. It would probably improve our chances. That is all we can safely say.
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If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley - maybe.
If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley, Green, Wilcox - no doubt we would have won it
i completely disagree
if they had bosh, we get served every single night. Bosh was the only one who was consistent. Wade was nowhere to be found. LeBron was LeBron but he wasn't the LeBron we know now.
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Last year was last year and it does me little good on wouda coulda shouldas. All I know is we missed an opportunity to win game two and follow that up with games three four and five. Miami hung in long enough for Lebron to kick our tails in game six and the 4th quarter of game seven. Does Bradley make a difference that series? Maybe but I doubt it. I am more interested in the opportunities Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, and Avery Bradley will have to truly shine and lay the groundwork for future success once Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett retire. Who knows, maybe we will get lucky and Lebron becomes our 21st Century Leprecahn because he respects us so much.
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It's amazing how many teams "no doubt" would have won the title each year "if only..."
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If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley - maybe.
If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley, Green, Wilcox - no doubt we would have won it
Lol, disagree. AB, Wilcox and Green are nice players, but I think you are giving them too much credit.
The only one who might be able to slow down Lebron is Jeff Green.
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It's amazing how many teams "no doubt" would have won the title each year "if only..."
Lol, I know. And if I only had another trillion dollars in my wallet, a bad hairdue and a fancy suit, I'd be Donald Trump.
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If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley - maybe.
If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley, Green, Wilcox - no doubt we would have won it
Lol, disagree. AB, Wilcox and Green are nice players, but I think you are giving them too much credit.
The only one who might be able to slow down Lebron is Jeff Green.
Wait, so you mean AB and Wilcox can't slow down Lebron? :o
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He would've been a huge help, no doubt, but Miami could say the same thing about having a healthy Chris Bosh for games 1-4.
I agree with this. He may have had an impact. But bosh coming back and draining jump shots changed the way we had to defend Miami. LJ taking over game 6 was key as well. Bradley is great, but he doesn't guard the guys that had the biggest impact for the heat in that series LJ and Bosh.
I look back at that series and it really seems like Bosh was the one that was the wildcard that opened things up for them on O when he came back. (and I hate to admit that, because I am not a big bosh fan)
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I feel like this title was made just to incite war. ;D
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He would've been a huge help, no doubt, but Miami could say the same thing about having a healthy Chris Bosh for games 1-4.
I agree with this. He may have had an impact. But bosh coming back and draining jump shots changed the way we had to defend Miami. LJ taking over game 6 was key as well. Bradley is great, but he doesn't guard the guys that had the biggest impact for the heat in that series LJ and Bosh.
I look back at that series and it really seems like Bosh was the one that was the wildcard that opened things up for them on O when he came back. (and I hate to admit that, because I am not a big bosh fan)
Yeah KG was able to roam off his man and double Wade/James, so when Bosh came back it really opened up the defense for those two guys to drive more. And when the Celtics tried to sag off of him in game 7, Bosh destroyed them (those three pointers were ridiculous). Also through the first four games the rebounding was virtually even between the two teams (Miami was +2 on the boards 161-159), but in games 5-7 the Heat outrebounded the C's by about 25. I really believe he was the difference maker in that series, especially in game 7.
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There's not a doubt in my mind. Throw Jeff Green instead of Pietrus and it's a lock.
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In game 6, Wade was 6 of 17 and 5-5 at the line for 17 points, with 8 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, and 3 turnovers in a game Miami won by 19 points. Bradley would have had absolutely no effect on that game at all.
Game 2 would have been the only game where Bradley might have mattered, but the simple truth is once Bosh was back that series was over and if Bosh was there the whole series it would have been Miami in a walk with or without Bradley.
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In game 6, Wade was 6 of 17 and 5-5 at the line for 17 points, with 8 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, and 3 turnovers in a game Miami won by 19 points. Bradley would have had absolutely no effect on that game at all.
Game 2 would have been the only game where Bradley might have mattered, but the simple truth is once Bosh was back that series was over and if Bosh was there the whole series it would have been Miami in a walk with or without Bradley.
I'm not part of the "Bradley is our savior" crowd but I can't believe anyone who watched the team play last year would claim that swapping Bradley for an injured Ray would have had absolutely no effect on the game at all.
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In game 6, Wade was 6 of 17 and 5-5 at the line for 17 points, with 8 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, and 3 turnovers in a game Miami won by 19 points. Bradley would have had absolutely no effect on that game at all.
Game 2 would have been the only game where Bradley might have mattered, but the simple truth is once Bosh was back that series was over and if Bosh was there the whole series it would have been Miami in a walk with or without Bradley.
I'm not part of the "Bradley is our savior" crowd but I can't believe anyone who watched the team play last year would claim that swapping Bradley for an injured Ray would have had absolutely no effect on the game at all.
Of course it had an effect. Not nearly the effect that the Heat had in missing their All Star big man for a majority of the series.
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In game 6, Wade was 6 of 17 and 5-5 at the line for 17 points, with 8 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, and 3 turnovers in a game Miami won by 19 points. Bradley would have had absolutely no effect on that game at all.
Game 2 would have been the only game where Bradley might have mattered, but the simple truth is once Bosh was back that series was over and if Bosh was there the whole series it would have been Miami in a walk with or without Bradley.
I'm not part of the "Bradley is our savior" crowd but I can't believe anyone who watched the team play last year would claim that swapping Bradley for an injured Ray would have had absolutely no effect on the game at all.
That's true. Sure Wade played well, but that was because the celtics had to double him throughout that series, which caused several defensive problems. If we had bradley, we wouldnt have to help so much
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No question we win. ::)
No Jeff either. Imagine them both. Alas ...
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No, it isn't.
The Celtics would of had a better chance, but Miami would still be clear favorites.
What do you mean? Going into the series yeah would habe still been same underdogs but after seeing that we lost in a game 7 I think we could have had the edge.
You'd at least think he would have pushed us over the edge in the game where rondos face was swiped. Unless you think he would have hurt us more than helped
good point and hardly anyone looks at that because it sounds crazy but it almost happened. we could have beat the heat in 5 games! we got screwed in game 2. we outplayed miami in 4 straight from game 2 to 5
FACT
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In game 6, Wade was 6 of 17 and 5-5 at the line for 17 points, with 8 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, and 3 turnovers in a game Miami won by 19 points. Bradley would have had absolutely no effect on that game at all.
Game 2 would have been the only game where Bradley might have mattered, but the simple truth is once Bosh was back that series was over and if Bosh was there the whole series it would have been Miami in a walk with or without Bradley.
I'm not part of the "Bradley is our savior" crowd but I can't believe anyone who watched the team play last year would claim that swapping Bradley for an injured Ray would have had absolutely no effect on the game at all.
I said he wouldn't have made a difference in game 6 because Wade had a bad game and the Heat still won by 19. I then specifically said he might have made the difference in game 2. Bradley just wouldn't have had the same effect that Bosh would have had. A healthy Bosh and Miami would have destroyed Boston last year. Bosh was at something like 80% in game 6 and 7 and those were blow out wins for Miami.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
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In game 6, Wade was 6 of 17 and 5-5 at the line for 17 points, with 8 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, and 3 turnovers in a game Miami won by 19 points. Bradley would have had absolutely no effect on that game at all.
Game 2 would have been the only game where Bradley might have mattered, but the simple truth is once Bosh was back that series was over and if Bosh was there the whole series it would have been Miami in a walk with or without Bradley.
I'm not part of the "Bradley is our savior" crowd but I can't believe anyone who watched the team play last year would claim that swapping Bradley for an injured Ray would have had absolutely no effect on the game at all.
Of course it had an effect. Not nearly the effect that the Heat had in missing their All Star big man for a majority of the series.
The Celts were about 17 ppp better with Bradley in than with Ray in. How much more of an impact than that that did Bosh have at the time? 40-50 ppp?
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In game 6, Wade was 6 of 17 and 5-5 at the line for 17 points, with 8 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals, and 3 turnovers in a game Miami won by 19 points. Bradley would have had absolutely no effect on that game at all.
Game 2 would have been the only game where Bradley might have mattered, but the simple truth is once Bosh was back that series was over and if Bosh was there the whole series it would have been Miami in a walk with or without Bradley.
I'm not part of the "Bradley is our savior" crowd but I can't believe anyone who watched the team play last year would claim that swapping Bradley for an injured Ray would have had absolutely no effect on the game at all.
I said he wouldn't have made a difference in game 6 because Wade had a bad game and the Heat still won by 19. I then specifically said he might have made the difference in game 2. Bradley just wouldn't have had the same effect that Bosh would have had. A healthy Bosh and Miami would have destroyed Boston last year. Bosh was at something like 80% in game 6 and 7 and those were blow out wins for Miami.
A healthy Bosh and Miami would have easily dispatched Boston but wouldn't have fared well against a healthy Boston. And Bradley's value as a player didn't begin and end with how productive a single player on the other team did. Better transition offense, better transition defense, full court pressure to force more turnovers, Miami starting their offense later in the shot clock, Rondo not having to spend so much time on Wade and late last year Bradley was actually a better scorer than an injured Wade. Bradley had an impact on pretty much every game, not just 1-2 out of 7.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
And if a healthy Bradley came back instead of Bosh Miami would have been rooting for us in the finals.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
And if a healthy Bradley came back instead of Bosh Miami would have been rooting for us in the finals.
I agree with this, If we got a healthy bradley back and they never got bosh back...
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
see my post above.
also, bosh was not even a big factor until game 7 late.
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No, it isn't.
The Celtics would of had a better chance, but Miami would still be clear favorites.
What do you mean? Going into the series yeah would habe still been same underdogs but after seeing that we lost in a game 7 I think we could have had the edge.
You'd at least think he would have pushed us over the edge in the game where rondos face was swiped. Unless you think he would have hurt us more than helped
good point and hardly anyone looks at that because it sounds crazy but it almost happened. we could have beat the heat in 5 games! we got screwed in game 2. we outplayed miami in 4 straight from game 2 to 5
FACT
I don't buy that for a second.
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We beat them twice in the second half of the regular season when both teams were healthy and both teams were playing to win. I'm not going to say what would have happened, but this idea that they would have killed us had both teams been fully healthy, I'm not buying that.
We didn't win a title. We didn't even win the East, but we had a darned impressive season last year, finishing as one of the top four teams in the league, definitely in the category of what we would call a legitimate "contender."
I don't get the urge by some to try to tarnish what the team did accomplish last year.
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We beat them twice in the second half of the regular season when both teams were healthy and both teams were playing to win. I'm not going to say what would have happened, but this idea that they would have killed us had both teams been fully healthy, I'm not buying that.
We didn't win a title. We didn't even win the East, but we had a darned impressive season last year, finishing as one of the top four teams in the league, definitely in the category of what we would call a legitimate "contender."
I don't get the urge by some to try to tarnish what the team did accomplish last year.
Well, that certainly is one way to look at it. I don't think they would have killed us either. I just think they would have still won.
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We beat them twice in the second half of the regular season when both teams were healthy and both teams were playing to win. I'm not going to say what would have happened, but this idea that they would have killed us had both teams been fully healthy, I'm not buying that.
We didn't win a title. We didn't even win the East, but we had a darned impressive season last year, finishing as one of the top four teams in the league, definitely in the category of what we would call a legitimate "contender."
I don't get the urge by some to try to tarnish what the team did accomplish last year.
Well, that certainly is one way to look at it. I don't think they would have killed us either. I just think they would have still won.
We'll never really know.
Once thing I find ironic, though, is that it seems to be many of the same people who were saying that they were going to handle us easily regardless of whether or not they had Bosh who are now saying they would have handled us easily if they had had Bosh for the entire series.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
And if a healthy Bradley came back instead of Bosh Miami would have been rooting for us in the finals.
I doubt it . . . I'm sure they would have been rooting for OKC.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
False.
Bosh came back and played like 12 minutes in Game 5, which we won.
He played like 20+ minutes in Game 6, and played ok, and Miami won.
He played maybe 30 minutes in Game 7, turned into Ray freaking Allen, and was a large factor in Miami's series-clinching win.
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If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley - maybe.
If the Heat had Bosh all 7 games and we had Bradley, Green, Wilcox - no doubt we would have won it
i completely disagree
if they had bosh, we get served every single night. Bosh was the only one who was consistent. Wade was nowhere to be found. LeBron was LeBron but he wasn't the LeBron we know now.
Bosh was only 'consistent' in the playoffs last year because he 'consistently' hit 3PT shots as a ridiculous, anomalous rate, far far above his normal average. He shot something like 53% from 3PT land, while his career rate is something like 28%.
I he played those missing games, does he still hit that shot in those games? Maybe. Maybe not.
Personally, I think the biggest factor hurting the C's last season was that Allen and Pierce were both playing the whole series on bum legs, visibly slow and limping around.
Replay the series with those two guys healthy and everything else the same - maybe a different outcome.
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was bradley gonna guard LeBron? cuz if not, the Heat still would have won. If you play that series 10 times with or without Bradley... I think Boston takes it to 7 games once and only once... and that was the series you watched. A Best case scenario. Don't be confused by the fact that Boston stretched it to 7... LeBron wasn't losing that series.
Also this entire thread is silly, because had Rose been healthy, we wouldn't have gotten past round 2. Not to mention, the lowly 8th seed 76ers took us to 7 games in the previous round. Boston was no closer to beating LeBron than the 76ers were to beating Boston. Our path to the ECF was a cakewalk. Atlanta without Horford in Round 1. 8th seed Philly in round 2.
I bet the Hawks forum has a legitimate claim that "relatively safe to say we would have beaten Boston last year with a healthy Horford?"... that series got pretty sketchy once a rusty Horford returned. Could have easily lost that series and been out in Round 1.
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BRADLEY & RONDO..that is..!!!
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
Allow me to clarify the statement.
Bosh missed the first 4 games of the series... which was tied 2-2.
Game 5, Bosh played a mere 14 minutes off the bench for MIami. I don't count that. Boston won by 4.
Game 6, Bosh plays 28 minutes... has a weak game - 7 points, 6 rebounds 3 blocks 37% shooting ... Miami crushes Boston by 19.
Game 7, Bosh plays 31 minutes... 19 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal... 80% shooting. Miami crushes Boston by 13.
There really was never any doubt who was winning that series. Miami got a little lazy early in the series (as they did against the Pacers the round before)... but they closed it out when it mattered. Think 2008 Boston vs Atlanta. Did Atlanta really ever have a chance? Naaahh....
Fact is, with a size-depleted team like Boston... an all-star big man tends to matter. People undervaluing Bosh's impact are stupid. Just stupid. He mattered.
Which brings me to our 1st round matchup against Atlanta last year.
Thank our lucky stars, we faced off against Atlanta without their best player... star big man Al Horford.
Horford had been out for 4 months... He missed the first 3 games of the series and Boston took a 2-1 lead.
Game 4, a very rusty Horford returned for a total of 20 minutes off the bench. I don't count that. Boston takes a 3-1 lead.
Game 5, Horford (have I mentioned he hadn't played in 4 months?) plays 41 minutes... goes 8-15 with 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals... Atlanta wins the game.
Game 6, Horford plays 46 minutes. Goes 6-9, 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal... Boston squeaks by witha 3 point victory to close out the series. Phew.
Atlanta had home court advantage. The next game would have been in Atlanta. If we're playing the silly "If so-and-so was healthy" game, you have to play the same game for HOrford. Had Horford been healthy for that entire series, we probably wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Boston's weakness was (and continues to be) lack of size.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
Allow me to clarify the statement.
Bosh missed the first 4 games of the series... which was tied 2-2.
Game 5, Bosh played a mere 14 minutes off the bench for MIami. I don't count that. Boston won by 4.
Game 6, Bosh plays 28 minutes... has a weak game - 7 points, 6 rebounds 3 blocks 37% shooting ... Miami crushes Boston by 19.
Game 7, Bosh plays 31 minutes... 19 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal... 80% shooting. Miami crushes Boston by 13.
There really was never any doubt who was winning that series. Miami got a little lazy early in the series (as they did against the Pacers the round before)... but they closed it out when it mattered. Think 2008 Boston vs Atlanta. Did Atlanta really ever have a chance? Naaahh....
Fact is, with a size-depleted team like Boston... an all-star big man tends to matter. People undervaluing Bosh's impact are stupid. Just stupid. He mattered.
Which brings me to our 1st round matchup against Atlanta last year.
Thank our lucky stars, we faced off against Atlanta without their best player... star big man Al Horford.
Horford had been out for 4 months... He missed the first 3 games of the series and Boston took a 2-1 lead.
Game 4, a very rusty Horford returned for a total of 20 minutes off the bench. I don't count that. Boston takes a 3-1 lead.
Game 5, Horford (have I mentioned he hadn't played in 4 months?) plays 41 minutes... goes 8-15 with 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals... Atlanta wins the game.
Game 6, Horford plays 46 minutes. Goes 6-9, 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal... Boston squeaks by witha 3 point victory to close out the series. Phew.
Atlanta had home court advantage. The next game would have been in Atlanta. If we're playing the silly "If so-and-so was healthy" game, you have to play the same game for HOrford. Had Horford been healthy for that entire series, we probably wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Boston's weakness was (and continues to be) lack of size.
I don't think that any of us "stupid people" are claiming that a healthy Bosh for the entire series wouldn't have helped Miami's chances. What we are saying is that a healthy Bradley would have helped ours.
Personally, I'm not a fan of excuses. We lost to the Heat. I can deal with that, but I don't want to hear excuses about why the other team couldn't beat us more soundly.
Every team that doesn't win it all has excuses. All in all, getting to a seventh game of the conference finals against the prohibitive favorites was a great result as far as I'm concerned.
The desperate attempts to try to minimize that accomplishment, frankly, just make you sound like you have some kind of axe to grind or like you are trying to re-write history to fit in with your own narrative.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
Allow me to clarify the statement.
Bosh missed the first 4 games of the series... which was tied 2-2.
Game 5, Bosh played a mere 14 minutes off the bench for MIami. I don't count that. Boston won by 4.
Game 6, Bosh plays 28 minutes... has a weak game - 7 points, 6 rebounds 3 blocks 37% shooting ... Miami crushes Boston by 19.
Game 7, Bosh plays 31 minutes... 19 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal... 80% shooting. Miami crushes Boston by 13.
There really was never any doubt who was winning that series. Miami got a little lazy early in the series (as they did against the Pacers the round before)... but they closed it out when it mattered. Think 2008 Boston vs Atlanta. Did Atlanta really ever have a chance? Naaahh....
Fact is, with a size-depleted team like Boston... an all-star big man tends to matter. People undervaluing Bosh's impact are stupid. Just stupid. He mattered.
Which brings me to our 1st round matchup against Atlanta last year.
Thank our lucky stars, we faced off against Atlanta without their best player... star big man Al Horford.
Horford had been out for 4 months... He missed the first 3 games of the series and Boston took a 2-1 lead.
Game 4, a very rusty Horford returned for a total of 20 minutes off the bench. I don't count that. Boston takes a 3-1 lead.
Game 5, Horford (have I mentioned he hadn't played in 4 months?) plays 41 minutes... goes 8-15 with 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals... Atlanta wins the game.
Game 6, Horford plays 46 minutes. Goes 6-9, 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal... Boston squeaks by witha 3 point victory to close out the series. Phew.
Atlanta had home court advantage. The next game would have been in Atlanta. If we're playing the silly "If so-and-so was healthy" game, you have to play the same game for HOrford. Had Horford been healthy for that entire series, we probably wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Boston's weakness was (and continues to be) lack of size.
I don't think that any of us "stupid people" are claiming that a healthy Bosh for the entire series wouldn't have helped Miami's chances. What we are saying is that a healthy Bradley would have helped ours.
Personally, I'm not a fan of excuses. We lost to the Heat. I can deal with that, but I don't want to hear excuses about why the other team couldn't beat us more soundly.
Every team that doesn't win it all has excuses. All in all, getting to a seventh game of the conference finals against the prohibitive favorites was a great result as far as I'm concerned.
The desperate attempts to try to minimize that accomplishment, frankly, just make you sound like you have some kind of axe to grind or like you are trying to re-write history to fit in with your own narrative.
I think the point LarBrd33 is trying to make is that Bosh would've have made more of a difference for Miami than Bradley would've made for us. I think everyone here can agree that both guys being out hurt both teams. It just so happened Miami got Bosh back, and we didn't get Bradley back. Tough luck.
As far as excuses go, LarBrd33 is spot-on. There are plenty people saying, "if Bradley was healthy, we win." I'd argue that if Horford was healthy for our series with the Hawks (I'm talking the whole series), Atlanta wins. I'd argue if Derrick Rose doesn't go down, we'd have lost to Chicago. I'd also argue that if Ray doesn't have bone spurs, and if Zaza Pachulia (I think) doesn't trip Pierce and make him sprain his MCL, both those guys would've had a much larger impact in the playoffs, and would've been able to shoulder some of the load that Rondo and KG were forced to carry.
All in all, it doesn't really matter. We lost to the Heat fair and square (yes, fair and square) and they won the title. For the team we had last year, was that impressive? Absolutely! However, I was disappointed. Ever since KG came here, it's been all about championships, and every year we don't win it all (until Pierce and KG retire/get traded), I'll be disappointed.
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My take on this is (going back to the article I posted before the series started last year) is that Bradley's absence hurt us more than Bosh's absence hurt the Heat. No, Bradley wouldn't have guarded LeBron. But if you don't remember, Garnett essentially played a 1-man zone on Wade the whole series because Ray (ankles) simply could NOT stay with him. Why do you think that Wade's numbers were so bad in that series?
Problem was, that freed up KG's man. When that man was Udonis Haslem, no problem. When that man became Chris Bosh, and Bosh was channeling his inner Ray Allen, it became a problem.
What Bradley does, if healthy, is handle Wade by himself. Which lets KG focus more on helping Pierce with LeBron in games 1 - 5...and frankly the series is probably over by game 5 in that situation. But even if Bosh comes back, letting KG concentrate on Bosh while providing reasonable support on LeBron/Wade instead of having to go all-in on Wade like last year dramatically boosts the Celtics' chances.
More detail in this Fanshot on Bradley and Green: http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/3/17/4116268/avery-bradley-and-jeff-green-help-make-the-heat-beatable
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
Allow me to clarify the statement.
Bosh missed the first 4 games of the series... which was tied 2-2.
Game 5, Bosh played a mere 14 minutes off the bench for MIami. I don't count that. Boston won by 4.
Game 6, Bosh plays 28 minutes... has a weak game - 7 points, 6 rebounds 3 blocks 37% shooting ... Miami crushes Boston by 19.
Game 7, Bosh plays 31 minutes... 19 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal... 80% shooting. Miami crushes Boston by 13.
There really was never any doubt who was winning that series. Miami got a little lazy early in the series (as they did against the Pacers the round before)... but they closed it out when it mattered. Think 2008 Boston vs Atlanta. Did Atlanta really ever have a chance? Naaahh....
Fact is, with a size-depleted team like Boston... an all-star big man tends to matter. People undervaluing Bosh's impact are stupid. Just stupid. He mattered.
Which brings me to our 1st round matchup against Atlanta last year.
Thank our lucky stars, we faced off against Atlanta without their best player... star big man Al Horford.
Horford had been out for 4 months... He missed the first 3 games of the series and Boston took a 2-1 lead.
Game 4, a very rusty Horford returned for a total of 20 minutes off the bench. I don't count that. Boston takes a 3-1 lead.
Game 5, Horford (have I mentioned he hadn't played in 4 months?) plays 41 minutes... goes 8-15 with 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals... Atlanta wins the game.
Game 6, Horford plays 46 minutes. Goes 6-9, 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal... Boston squeaks by witha 3 point victory to close out the series. Phew.
Atlanta had home court advantage. The next game would have been in Atlanta. If we're playing the silly "If so-and-so was healthy" game, you have to play the same game for HOrford. Had Horford been healthy for that entire series, we probably wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Boston's weakness was (and continues to be) lack of size.
I don't think that any of us "stupid people" are claiming that a healthy Bosh for the entire series wouldn't have helped Miami's chances. What we are saying is that a healthy Bradley would have helped ours.
Personally, I'm not a fan of excuses. We lost to the Heat. I can deal with that, but I don't want to hear excuses about why the other team couldn't beat us more soundly.
Every team that doesn't win it all has excuses. All in all, getting to a seventh game of the conference finals against the prohibitive favorites was a great result as far as I'm concerned.
The desperate attempts to try to minimize that accomplishment, frankly, just make you sound like you have some kind of axe to grind or like you are trying to re-write history to fit in with your own narrative.
I think the point LarBrd33 is trying to make is that Bosh would've have made more of a difference for Miami than Bradley would've made for us. I think everyone here can agree that both guys being out hurt both teams. It just so happened Miami got Bosh back, and we didn't get Bradley back. Tough luck.
As far as excuses go, LarBrd33 is spot-on. There are plenty people saying, "if Bradley was healthy, we win." I'd argue that if Horford was healthy for our series with the Hawks (I'm talking the whole series), Atlanta wins. I'd argue if Derrick Rose doesn't go down, we'd have lost to Chicago. I'd also argue that if Ray doesn't have bone spurs, and if Zaza Pachulia (I think) doesn't trip Pierce and make him sprain his MCL, both those guys would've had a much larger impact in the playoffs, and would've been able to shoulder some of the load that Rondo and KG were forced to carry.
All in all, it doesn't really matter. We lost to the Heat fair and square (yes, fair and square) and they won the title. For the team we had last year, was that impressive? Absolutely! However, I was disappointed. Ever since KG came here, it's been all about championships, and every year we don't win it all (until Pierce and KG retire/get traded), I'll be disappointed.
Yeah that's all I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to minimize our accomplishment. Taking Miami to 7 games was impressive. Philly taking us to 7 games was impressive. Still, Miami won.
It's a slippery slope... you start saying things like "We would have won with Bradley" and then you gotta go back and do revisionist history on every [dang] championship that ever happened... Like I'll be the first to say Boston would have repeated in 2009 had KG been healthy... or possibly won against the Lakers in 2010 had Perk not gone down... but then you have to acknowledge the fact that perhaps the Lakers knock us off in 2008 with a healthy Bynum. Just a slippery slope... you don't wanna play this game. Let's just say we were lucky to get as far as we did last year and leave it at that.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
Allow me to clarify the statement.
Bosh missed the first 4 games of the series... which was tied 2-2.
Game 5, Bosh played a mere 14 minutes off the bench for MIami. I don't count that. Boston won by 4.
Game 6, Bosh plays 28 minutes... has a weak game - 7 points, 6 rebounds 3 blocks 37% shooting ... Miami crushes Boston by 19.
Game 7, Bosh plays 31 minutes... 19 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal... 80% shooting. Miami crushes Boston by 13.
There really was never any doubt who was winning that series. Miami got a little lazy early in the series (as they did against the Pacers the round before)... but they closed it out when it mattered. Think 2008 Boston vs Atlanta. Did Atlanta really ever have a chance? Naaahh....
Fact is, with a size-depleted team like Boston... an all-star big man tends to matter. People undervaluing Bosh's impact are stupid. Just stupid. He mattered.
Which brings me to our 1st round matchup against Atlanta last year.
Thank our lucky stars, we faced off against Atlanta without their best player... star big man Al Horford.
Horford had been out for 4 months... He missed the first 3 games of the series and Boston took a 2-1 lead.
Game 4, a very rusty Horford returned for a total of 20 minutes off the bench. I don't count that. Boston takes a 3-1 lead.
Game 5, Horford (have I mentioned he hadn't played in 4 months?) plays 41 minutes... goes 8-15 with 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals... Atlanta wins the game.
Game 6, Horford plays 46 minutes. Goes 6-9, 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal... Boston squeaks by witha 3 point victory to close out the series. Phew.
Atlanta had home court advantage. The next game would have been in Atlanta. If we're playing the silly "If so-and-so was healthy" game, you have to play the same game for HOrford. Had Horford been healthy for that entire series, we probably wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Boston's weakness was (and continues to be) lack of size.
I don't think that any of us "stupid people" are claiming that a healthy Bosh for the entire series wouldn't have helped Miami's chances. What we are saying is that a healthy Bradley would have helped ours.
Personally, I'm not a fan of excuses. We lost to the Heat. I can deal with that, but I don't want to hear excuses about why the other team couldn't beat us more soundly.
Every team that doesn't win it all has excuses. All in all, getting to a seventh game of the conference finals against the prohibitive favorites was a great result as far as I'm concerned.
The desperate attempts to try to minimize that accomplishment, frankly, just make you sound like you have some kind of axe to grind or like you are trying to re-write history to fit in with your own narrative.
I think the point LarBrd33 is trying to make is that Bosh would've have made more of a difference for Miami than Bradley would've made for us. I think everyone here can agree that both guys being out hurt both teams. It just so happened Miami got Bosh back, and we didn't get Bradley back. Tough luck.
As far as excuses go, LarBrd33 is spot-on. There are plenty people saying, "if Bradley was healthy, we win." I'd argue that if Horford was healthy for our series with the Hawks (I'm talking the whole series), Atlanta wins. I'd argue if Derrick Rose doesn't go down, we'd have lost to Chicago. I'd also argue that if Ray doesn't have bone spurs, and if Zaza Pachulia (I think) doesn't trip Pierce and make him sprain his MCL, both those guys would've had a much larger impact in the playoffs, and would've been able to shoulder some of the load that Rondo and KG were forced to carry.
All in all, it doesn't really matter. We lost to the Heat fair and square (yes, fair and square) and they won the title. For the team we had last year, was that impressive? Absolutely! However, I was disappointed. Ever since KG came here, it's been all about championships, and every year we don't win it all (until Pierce and KG retire/get traded), I'll be disappointed.
Yeah that's all I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to minimize our accomplishment. Taking Miami to 7 games was impressive. Philly taking us to 7 games was impressive. Still, Miami won.
It's a slippery slope... you start saying things like "We would have won with Bradley" and then you gotta go back and do revisionist history on every [dang] championship that ever happened... Like I'll be the first to say Boston would have repeated in 2009 had KG been healthy... or possibly won against the Lakers in 2010 had Perk not gone down... but then you have to acknowledge the fact that perhaps the Lakers knock us off in 2008 with a healthy Bynum. Just a slippery slope... you don't wanna play this game. Let's just say we were lucky to get as far as we did last year and leave it at that.
Close. But, let's just say that we were good enough to get as far as we got last year and leave it at that.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
Allow me to clarify the statement.
Bosh missed the first 4 games of the series... which was tied 2-2.
Game 5, Bosh played a mere 14 minutes off the bench for MIami. I don't count that. Boston won by 4.
Game 6, Bosh plays 28 minutes... has a weak game - 7 points, 6 rebounds 3 blocks 37% shooting ... Miami crushes Boston by 19.
Game 7, Bosh plays 31 minutes... 19 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal... 80% shooting. Miami crushes Boston by 13.
There really was never any doubt who was winning that series. Miami got a little lazy early in the series (as they did against the Pacers the round before)... but they closed it out when it mattered. Think 2008 Boston vs Atlanta. Did Atlanta really ever have a chance? Naaahh....
Fact is, with a size-depleted team like Boston... an all-star big man tends to matter. People undervaluing Bosh's impact are stupid. Just stupid. He mattered.
Which brings me to our 1st round matchup against Atlanta last year.
Thank our lucky stars, we faced off against Atlanta without their best player... star big man Al Horford.
Horford had been out for 4 months... He missed the first 3 games of the series and Boston took a 2-1 lead.
Game 4, a very rusty Horford returned for a total of 20 minutes off the bench. I don't count that. Boston takes a 3-1 lead.
Game 5, Horford (have I mentioned he hadn't played in 4 months?) plays 41 minutes... goes 8-15 with 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals... Atlanta wins the game.
Game 6, Horford plays 46 minutes. Goes 6-9, 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal... Boston squeaks by witha 3 point victory to close out the series. Phew.
Atlanta had home court advantage. The next game would have been in Atlanta. If we're playing the silly "If so-and-so was healthy" game, you have to play the same game for HOrford. Had Horford been healthy for that entire series, we probably wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Boston's weakness was (and continues to be) lack of size.
I don't think that any of us "stupid people" are claiming that a healthy Bosh for the entire series wouldn't have helped Miami's chances. What we are saying is that a healthy Bradley would have helped ours.
Personally, I'm not a fan of excuses. We lost to the Heat. I can deal with that, but I don't want to hear excuses about why the other team couldn't beat us more soundly.
Every team that doesn't win it all has excuses. All in all, getting to a seventh game of the conference finals against the prohibitive favorites was a great result as far as I'm concerned.
The desperate attempts to try to minimize that accomplishment, frankly, just make you sound like you have some kind of axe to grind or like you are trying to re-write history to fit in with your own narrative.
I think the point LarBrd33 is trying to make is that Bosh would've have made more of a difference for Miami than Bradley would've made for us. I think everyone here can agree that both guys being out hurt both teams. It just so happened Miami got Bosh back, and we didn't get Bradley back. Tough luck.
As far as excuses go, LarBrd33 is spot-on. There are plenty people saying, "if Bradley was healthy, we win." I'd argue that if Horford was healthy for our series with the Hawks (I'm talking the whole series), Atlanta wins. I'd argue if Derrick Rose doesn't go down, we'd have lost to Chicago. I'd also argue that if Ray doesn't have bone spurs, and if Zaza Pachulia (I think) doesn't trip Pierce and make him sprain his MCL, both those guys would've had a much larger impact in the playoffs, and would've been able to shoulder some of the load that Rondo and KG were forced to carry.
All in all, it doesn't really matter. We lost to the Heat fair and square (yes, fair and square) and they won the title. For the team we had last year, was that impressive? Absolutely! However, I was disappointed. Ever since KG came here, it's been all about championships, and every year we don't win it all (until Pierce and KG retire/get traded), I'll be disappointed.
Yeah that's all I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to minimize our accomplishment. Taking Miami to 7 games was impressive. Philly taking us to 7 games was impressive. Still, Miami won.
It's a slippery slope... you start saying things like "We would have won with Bradley" and then you gotta go back and do revisionist history on every [dang] championship that ever happened... Like I'll be the first to say Boston would have repeated in 2009 had KG been healthy... or possibly won against the Lakers in 2010 had Perk not gone down... but then you have to acknowledge the fact that perhaps the Lakers knock us off in 2008 with a healthy Bynum. Just a slippery slope... you don't wanna play this game. Let's just say we were lucky to get as far as we did last year and leave it at that.
Close. But, let's just say that we were good enough to get as far as we got last year and leave it at that.
Agreed... and even though Ray isn't with this team any more... I feel like this team is still good enough to beat Atlanta (without Horford) and Philly. I'd go out on a limb and say Boston could beat those teams even without Rajon Rondo.
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Injuries go both ways. But not all injuries are equal.
Last year Ray was hurt so bad he couldn't make free throws.
Last year Pierce was hurt so bad his max lift was about 2 inches.
Then of course Bradley (Wade stopper) was hurt and out of play.
Pietrus was a shell of himself battling injuries.
Stiemsma was dealing with foot issues all year.
Jeff Green wasn't even playing
Wilcox wasn't even playing
Jermaine wasn't even playing
I would gladly give them Bosh healthy if it meant even those top two players back, let alone all of our depth and role players AND Bradley.
They're the Heat so it's expected they get calls, but IIRC game 1-2-7 all had some seriously questionable officiating. I also believe we had fourth quarter leads in all of those games.
Since 2008 this team has been decimated by terrible luck and unfortunate injuries.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
Allow me to clarify the statement.
Bosh missed the first 4 games of the series... which was tied 2-2.
Game 5, Bosh played a mere 14 minutes off the bench for MIami. I don't count that. Boston won by 4.
Game 6, Bosh plays 28 minutes... has a weak game - 7 points, 6 rebounds 3 blocks 37% shooting ... Miami crushes Boston by 19.
Game 7, Bosh plays 31 minutes... 19 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal... 80% shooting. Miami crushes Boston by 13.
There really was never any doubt who was winning that series. Miami got a little lazy early in the series (as they did against the Pacers the round before)... but they closed it out when it mattered. Think 2008 Boston vs Atlanta. Did Atlanta really ever have a chance? Naaahh....
Fact is, with a size-depleted team like Boston... an all-star big man tends to matter. People undervaluing Bosh's impact are stupid. Just stupid. He mattered.
Which brings me to our 1st round matchup against Atlanta last year.
Thank our lucky stars, we faced off against Atlanta without their best player... star big man Al Horford.
Horford had been out for 4 months... He missed the first 3 games of the series and Boston took a 2-1 lead.
Game 4, a very rusty Horford returned for a total of 20 minutes off the bench. I don't count that. Boston takes a 3-1 lead.
Game 5, Horford (have I mentioned he hadn't played in 4 months?) plays 41 minutes... goes 8-15 with 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals... Atlanta wins the game.
Game 6, Horford plays 46 minutes. Goes 6-9, 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal... Boston squeaks by witha 3 point victory to close out the series. Phew.
Atlanta had home court advantage. The next game would have been in Atlanta. If we're playing the silly "If so-and-so was healthy" game, you have to play the same game for HOrford. Had Horford been healthy for that entire series, we probably wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Boston's weakness was (and continues to be) lack of size.
I don't think that any of us "stupid people" are claiming that a healthy Bosh for the entire series wouldn't have helped Miami's chances. What we are saying is that a healthy Bradley would have helped ours.
Personally, I'm not a fan of excuses. We lost to the Heat. I can deal with that, but I don't want to hear excuses about why the other team couldn't beat us more soundly.
Every team that doesn't win it all has excuses. All in all, getting to a seventh game of the conference finals against the prohibitive favorites was a great result as far as I'm concerned.
The desperate attempts to try to minimize that accomplishment, frankly, just make you sound like you have some kind of axe to grind or like you are trying to re-write history to fit in with your own narrative.
I think the point LarBrd33 is trying to make is that Bosh would've have made more of a difference for Miami than Bradley would've made for us. I think everyone here can agree that both guys being out hurt both teams. It just so happened Miami got Bosh back, and we didn't get Bradley back. Tough luck.
As far as excuses go, LarBrd33 is spot-on. There are plenty people saying, "if Bradley was healthy, we win." I'd argue that if Horford was healthy for our series with the Hawks (I'm talking the whole series), Atlanta wins. I'd argue if Derrick Rose doesn't go down, we'd have lost to Chicago. I'd also argue that if Ray doesn't have bone spurs, and if Zaza Pachulia (I think) doesn't trip Pierce and make him sprain his MCL, both those guys would've had a much larger impact in the playoffs, and would've been able to shoulder some of the load that Rondo and KG were forced to carry.
All in all, it doesn't really matter. We lost to the Heat fair and square (yes, fair and square) and they won the title. For the team we had last year, was that impressive? Absolutely! However, I was disappointed. Ever since KG came here, it's been all about championships, and every year we don't win it all (until Pierce and KG retire/get traded), I'll be disappointed.
Yeah that's all I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to minimize our accomplishment. Taking Miami to 7 games was impressive. Philly taking us to 7 games was impressive. Still, Miami won.
It's a slippery slope... you start saying things like "We would have won with Bradley" and then you gotta go back and do revisionist history on every [dang] championship that ever happened... Like I'll be the first to say Boston would have repeated in 2009 had KG been healthy... or possibly won against the Lakers in 2010 had Perk not gone down... but then you have to acknowledge the fact that perhaps the Lakers knock us off in 2008 with a healthy Bynum. Just a slippery slope... you don't wanna play this game. Let's just say we were lucky to get as far as we did last year and leave it at that.
Close. But, let's just say that we were good enough to get as far as we got last year and leave it at that.
Agreed... and even though Ray isn't with this team any more... I feel like this team is still good enough to beat Atlanta (without Horford) and Philly. I'd go out on a limb and say Boston could beat those teams even without Rajon Rondo.
I agree with that. I also think that if this year's team still had Rondo, we might be able to beat the Heat in a playoff series.
And, I also think that last year's team may not have gotten by the Hawks and/or the Sixers without Rondo.
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was bradley gonna guard LeBron? cuz if not, the Heat still would have won. If you play that series 10 times with or without Bradley... I think Boston takes it to 7 games once and only once... and that was the series you watched. A Best case scenario. Don't be confused by the fact that Boston stretched it to 7... LeBron wasn't losing that series.
You were convinced that they'd take us in 5 when we won game 3, you were convinced they'd beat us in 6 when we we game 4. Your accuracy isn't improving over time.
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People are roasting the OP..im not sure why.
I think in the exact same series, with Bosh out and Wade injured...adding Bradley probably gives us an edge. That being said, Rays spacing and hitting those huge shots vs Bradleys defense against Wade its difficult to pick whats more important...
Its going to be fun to watch us play them this year because adding Green and Bradley while taking Rondo out gives the series a bit more excitement.
Just imagine in a perfect world what wouldve happened with Green , Bradley and Rondo against a Heat team with no Bosh, a gimpy Wade and our bench at full strength...
Safe to say we have the edge, but thats only because of the Heats injury issues.
regarding OPs question, I think with Avery against that exact same line up we probably come out on top.
With Avery in AND Bosh in I think we lose.
With Avery and Green and Bosh all in I think we win too.
I guess thats the fun and pain of hindsight.
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with Scalabrine
fo sure
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was bradley gonna guard LeBron? cuz if not, the Heat still would have won. If you play that series 10 times with or without Bradley... I think Boston takes it to 7 games once and only once... and that was the series you watched. A Best case scenario. Don't be confused by the fact that Boston stretched it to 7... LeBron wasn't losing that series.
You were convinced that they'd take us in 5 when we won game 3, you were convinced they'd beat us in 6 when we we game 4. Your accuracy isn't improving over time.
He was also convinced Miami was going to win the series. And that's all that really matters.
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What if we have Bradley and Green ? Do we beat Miami ?
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was bradley gonna guard LeBron? cuz if not, the Heat still would have won. If you play that series 10 times with or without Bradley... I think Boston takes it to 7 games once and only once... and that was the series you watched. A Best case scenario. Don't be confused by the fact that Boston stretched it to 7... LeBron wasn't losing that series.
You were convinced that they'd take us in 5 when we won game 3, you were convinced they'd beat us in 6 when we we game 4. Your accuracy isn't improving over time.
He was also convinced Miami was going to win the series. And that's all that really matters.
Miami won, but whether the would have without Bosh is anybody's guess.
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
Allow me to clarify the statement.
Bosh missed the first 4 games of the series... which was tied 2-2.
Game 5, Bosh played a mere 14 minutes off the bench for MIami. I don't count that. Boston won by 4.
Game 6, Bosh plays 28 minutes... has a weak game - 7 points, 6 rebounds 3 blocks 37% shooting ... Miami crushes Boston by 19.
Game 7, Bosh plays 31 minutes... 19 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal... 80% shooting. Miami crushes Boston by 13.
There really was never any doubt who was winning that series. Miami got a little lazy early in the series (as they did against the Pacers the round before)... but they closed it out when it mattered. Think 2008 Boston vs Atlanta. Did Atlanta really ever have a chance? Naaahh....
Fact is, with a size-depleted team like Boston... an all-star big man tends to matter. People undervaluing Bosh's impact are stupid. Just stupid. He mattered.
Which brings me to our 1st round matchup against Atlanta last year.
Thank our lucky stars, we faced off against Atlanta without their best player... star big man Al Horford.
Horford had been out for 4 months... He missed the first 3 games of the series and Boston took a 2-1 lead.
Game 4, a very rusty Horford returned for a total of 20 minutes off the bench. I don't count that. Boston takes a 3-1 lead.
Game 5, Horford (have I mentioned he hadn't played in 4 months?) plays 41 minutes... goes 8-15 with 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals... Atlanta wins the game.
Game 6, Horford plays 46 minutes. Goes 6-9, 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal... Boston squeaks by witha 3 point victory to close out the series. Phew.
Atlanta had home court advantage. The next game would have been in Atlanta. If we're playing the silly "If so-and-so was healthy" game, you have to play the same game for HOrford. Had Horford been healthy for that entire series, we probably wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Boston's weakness was (and continues to be) lack of size.
Yes, Atlanta managing a 1 point win out of the 3 games Horford played in proves a lot.
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The truth of the matter is that if Gronk hadn't reb-roke his arm & Talib hadn't pulled a hammy in the first quarter, the Celtics would have for sure beaten the Ravens and won the Super Bowl! No doubt about it.
Mk
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The truth of the matter is that if Gronk hadn't reb-roke his arm & Talib hadn't pulled a hammy in the first quarter, the Celtics would have for sure beaten the Ravens and won the Super Bowl! No doubt about it.
Mk
Whoops! Sry, I am mixing up my irrelevant & tedious "what-if" threads!
Mk
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nope.
Also it kinda goes both ways... they could have theoretically beat us easily had bosh been healthy the whole series. As soon as Bosh came back, Miami took care of business.
You need to clarify that statement.
I believe as soon as Bosh came back we won 2 in a row
Allow me to clarify the statement.
Bosh missed the first 4 games of the series... which was tied 2-2.
Game 5, Bosh played a mere 14 minutes off the bench for MIami. I don't count that. Boston won by 4.
Game 6, Bosh plays 28 minutes... has a weak game - 7 points, 6 rebounds 3 blocks 37% shooting ... Miami crushes Boston by 19.
Game 7, Bosh plays 31 minutes... 19 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal... 80% shooting. Miami crushes Boston by 13.
There really was never any doubt who was winning that series. Miami got a little lazy early in the series (as they did against the Pacers the round before)... but they closed it out when it mattered. Think 2008 Boston vs Atlanta. Did Atlanta really ever have a chance? Naaahh....
Fact is, with a size-depleted team like Boston... an all-star big man tends to matter. People undervaluing Bosh's impact are stupid. Just stupid. He mattered.
Which brings me to our 1st round matchup against Atlanta last year.
Thank our lucky stars, we faced off against Atlanta without their best player... star big man Al Horford.
Horford had been out for 4 months... He missed the first 3 games of the series and Boston took a 2-1 lead.
Game 4, a very rusty Horford returned for a total of 20 minutes off the bench. I don't count that. Boston takes a 3-1 lead.
Game 5, Horford (have I mentioned he hadn't played in 4 months?) plays 41 minutes... goes 8-15 with 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 3 steals... Atlanta wins the game.
Game 6, Horford plays 46 minutes. Goes 6-9, 15 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 1 steal... Boston squeaks by witha 3 point victory to close out the series. Phew.
Atlanta had home court advantage. The next game would have been in Atlanta. If we're playing the silly "If so-and-so was healthy" game, you have to play the same game for HOrford. Had Horford been healthy for that entire series, we probably wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Boston's weakness was (and continues to be) lack of size.
Yes, Atlanta managing a 1 point win out of the 3 games Horford played in proves a lot.
Horford was hardly healthy in those 3 games (and yeah he played a lot of minutes, but so did Allen, Pierce, Bosh, etc. and we've all pretty much established they weren't exactly healthy), which was kind of his point. I mean if you are going to nit pick and pick choose things, at least be in the same general ball park as the person you are talking to.
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It is relatively safe to say almost anything in this blog site, so please go ahead and say it as many times as you want: "We would have beaten Miami last year with Bradley."
you see: its easy. Now, in real life, I dont think so.