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Title: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Smitty77 on March 07, 2013, 07:38:42 PM
Once RR proves he is healthy, would the Magic consider this trade?  They need a marquee draw in Orlando and Rajon could be that draw:-))

This works on realgm:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/check_trade

Thoughts?

Smitty77
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: The Rondo Show on March 07, 2013, 07:46:05 PM
We should keep Rondo and I want no parts of Jameer Nelson

Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Birdman on March 07, 2013, 07:47:28 PM
No way!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Atzar on March 07, 2013, 07:51:51 PM
The Magic might consider it, but I don't think I would.  I like a lot of what Vucevic does, but he's not a rim protector at this point and I don't expect him to ever become one. 

I strongly, strongly prefer my center to be a defensive anchor. 
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: clover on March 07, 2013, 07:52:48 PM
I'm up for trading Rondo once he's healthy, but only for another star.  No reason to downgrade an All-Star starter by trading for two merely good players.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: BballTim on March 07, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
Once RR proves he is healthy, would the Magic consider this trade?  They need a marquee draw in Orlando and Rajon could be that draw:-))

This works on realgm:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/check_trade

Thoughts?

Smitty77

  I'm not sure why so many people are trying to insure that we have fewer marquee players and other teams have more.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: LarBrd33 on March 07, 2013, 08:18:48 PM
As overrated as Rondo is... you really can't get any more "overrated" than Jameer Nelson.  I have him as possibly the worst all-star selection of all time.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Celtics18 on March 07, 2013, 08:25:23 PM
Once RR proves he is healthy, would the Magic consider this trade?  They need a marquee draw in Orlando and Rajon could be that draw:-))

This works on realgm:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/check_trade

Thoughts?

Smitty77

Yes, I think Orlando would very seriously consider this trade.  Hopefully, Danny wouldn't.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: jdz101 on March 07, 2013, 08:26:02 PM
Sorry I wouldnt trade rondo for that.

Perhaps if Orlando throw in this years first aswell?
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Bahku on March 07, 2013, 08:33:45 PM
Plus Afflalo. ;)
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: eugen on March 07, 2013, 08:37:08 PM
Once RR proves he is healthy, would the Magic consider this trade?  They need a marquee draw in Orlando and Rajon could be that draw:-))

This works on realgm:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/check_trade

Thoughts?

Smitty77

Please. Do not open topics about trading Rondo beacause somebody here can get heart stroke ;D
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: ssspence on March 07, 2013, 08:41:39 PM
Not taking any package with Nelson in it for Rondo

Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on March 07, 2013, 08:43:50 PM
You HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING...vucevic is nothing but an big ego gunner...and nelson is wayyyy past his prime....Rondo is NOT going anywhere....did you not hear kobe say he would take him any day....duh.....
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: scaryjerry on March 07, 2013, 09:03:43 PM
Lol

Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: The Fawb on March 07, 2013, 09:10:30 PM
I do really like Vucevic, he has improved alot since last year, even with alot more minutes. His Rebounding shot up from 14.5 rbds/48min to 16.9 rbds/48. Also his TS% went from abysmal at 46.2% to a slightly above average (for a C) 53.9%. And with less fouls and more points per 48 min. (on less shots!), it equals out to a much better Wins Produced per 48 (.152 WP/48 this year, quite good). He is far and away the best player on the Magic.

All this said. Rajon Rondo is dominant and an absolute superstar. I don't care if the Celtics win an NBA Championship without him, his is a stud. His career average Wins produced per 48 is .219! Thats more than twice as productive as a replacement player. Even for all his shooting woes, his 2pt% has been higher than the average point guard every year of his career. His TS% though is slightly below average due to poor FT and 3pt shooting. Still not bad for a guy who averages 14.2 assists per 48 (and assists aren't even as much of an effect on Wins Produced than say rebounds or points). Totally great player.

I would want Maurice Harkless, Tobias Harris, Vucevic plus a first round pick at least (maybe swap picks for the second one or make it very conditional)
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Bankshot on March 07, 2013, 09:12:52 PM
We should keep Rondo and I want no parts of Jameer Nelson

Exactly! I don't want Nelson on the Celtics.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: D.o.s. on March 07, 2013, 09:16:02 PM
Lol
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Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: gpap on March 07, 2013, 09:16:46 PM
Once RR proves he is healthy, would the Magic consider this trade?  They need a marquee draw in Orlando and Rajon could be that draw:-))

This works on realgm:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/check_trade

Thoughts?

Smitty77

I like it but I am not sure Orlando does it as Vucevic could end up becoming a very, very good center.

A question to others - What do you realistically think other teams would be willing to deal for Rondo, especially after coming back from an ACL tear?

If you're holding out for a Kevin Durant or Lebron James, it ain't happening.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Celtics18 on March 07, 2013, 09:28:24 PM
Once RR proves he is healthy, would the Magic consider this trade?  They need a marquee draw in Orlando and Rajon could be that draw:-))

This works on realgm:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/check_trade

Thoughts?

Smitty77

I like it but I am not sure Orlando does it as Vucevic could end up becoming a very, very good center.

A question to others - What do you realistically think other teams would be willing to deal for Rondo, especially after coming back from an ACL tear?

If you're holding out for a Kevin Durant or Lebron James, it ain't happening.

If we aren't getting better packages back than this, then he shouldn't be traded. 

Why would we want to sell low?
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: CelticsFan9 on March 07, 2013, 09:47:07 PM
If we're trading with Orlando, we should try to get Andrew Nicholson.  Dude's a stud.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Snakehead on March 07, 2013, 09:50:08 PM
Can we also get a bag of peanuts in this trade?
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: chambers on March 07, 2013, 10:24:30 PM
Wow. Threads line this are like spitting on Rondo. A decent big man and a washed up,  aging point guard for rondo. No thanks
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 07, 2013, 10:26:47 PM
Can we turn it into a three-way deal so we can get Kevin Durant too?
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: RebusRankin on March 07, 2013, 10:27:34 PM
I like Vucevic (good young big) but he's not enough to take on Nelson. Vucevic, Affalo and a first would be better.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: LooseCannon on March 07, 2013, 10:30:05 PM
A question to others - What do you realistically think other teams would be willing to deal for Rondo, especially after coming back from an ACL tear?

One interesting hypothetical to me is, if the 76ers didn't have PG locked down by Jrue Holiday (or if you could work out a three-way with a team that needs a PG), who would be willing to deal Rondo in a sign-and-trade for Andrew Bynum?  Or, if you have an negative emotional reaction to Bynum, what about the hypothetical of Rondo for a big with All-Star potential if healthy but with health that is as questionable as someone like Bynum or maybe Andrew Bogut?
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: sofutomygaha on March 07, 2013, 10:31:10 PM
eerie- I was offered this exact trade in the Pick 2 game.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: jdz101 on March 07, 2013, 10:34:11 PM
A question to others - What do you realistically think other teams would be willing to deal for Rondo, especially after coming back from an ACL tear?

One interesting hypothetical to me is, if the 76ers didn't have PG locked down by Jrue Holiday (or if you could work out a three-way with a team that needs a PG), who would be willing to deal Rondo in a sign-and-trade for Andrew Bynum?  Or, if you have an negative emotional reaction to Bynum, what about the hypothetical of Rondo for a big with All-Star potential if healthy but with health that is as questionable as someone like Bynum or maybe Andrew Bogut?

If I was to trade rondo, I'd want some players back that can actually make it onto the court to play.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: gpap on March 07, 2013, 10:49:13 PM
A question to others - What do you realistically think other teams would be willing to deal for Rondo, especially after coming back from an ACL tear?

One interesting hypothetical to me is, if the 76ers didn't have PG locked down by Jrue Holiday (or if you could work out a three-way with a team that needs a PG), who would be willing to deal Rondo in a sign-and-trade for Andrew Bynum?  Or, if you have an negative emotional reaction to Bynum, what about the hypothetical of Rondo for a big with All-Star potential if healthy but with health that is as questionable as someone like Bynum or maybe Andrew Bogut?

If I was to trade rondo, I'd want some players back that can actually make it onto the court to play.

Interesting hypothetical. Don't be surprised if this summer we hear more rumors of Rondo being dealt to the Lakers for Pau Gasol. Sounds like Kobe is high on Rondo, and LA usually trades for or signs whatever player Kobe wants.

Assumingly, Nash would move to back up at 40 years old.

If the Celts get Gasol, don't be surprised to see KG and Paul come back next year. I like a KG, Paul and Gasol trio alot more than KG, Pierce and Rondo.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: RebusRankin on March 07, 2013, 11:16:53 PM
In theory Rondo for a big, yes depending on the big.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: CoachBo on March 07, 2013, 11:30:16 PM
As overrated as Rondo is... you really can't get any more "overrated" than Jameer Nelson.  I have him as possibly the worst all-star selection of all time.

Agreed.

I am all for moving the vastly overrated Rondo - but this deal isn't enough in return.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: erisred on March 07, 2013, 11:33:02 PM
In theory Rondo for a big, yes depending on the big.
Yeah, in theory I agree, but I wouldn't do it for Vucevic and Nelson. And I do think Vucevic has a lot of potential.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: guava_wrench on March 08, 2013, 12:08:36 AM
Jameer Nelson was horrible even before the bad contract.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Smitty77 on March 08, 2013, 12:19:22 AM
OK.  Nicholson is a stud at an 8.78 Efficiency Rating, but Vucevic is NOT at 19.79?????  Jameer is having a down year on a HORRIBLE team, yet is still a +16.  What am I missing here??  Sure, if we can get a future #1 we can try, but I seriously doubt the Magic do that!!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Smitty77 on March 08, 2013, 12:23:18 AM
Jameer is 31 and is NOT washed up.  He has career averages of 45% from 2 point range, 38% from long range, 81% at the line (slightly higher than RR:-)))))

I am suggesting this trade for Big V, not for Jameer.  But, we will need a PG in return IF we trade RR.

Smitty77
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: ManUp on March 08, 2013, 12:24:32 AM
If I'm the Magic I jump all over that.

If I'm the Celtics I fire Danny Ainge.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Smitty77 on March 08, 2013, 12:25:35 AM
Jameer is owed $8.6 million next year and then has a TEAM OPTION for 2014/2015 at $8 million.  Big V could be locked up through 2016 at a STEAL!!!!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: freshinthehouse on March 08, 2013, 12:57:18 AM
Here's a trade I'd throw at Orlando.

Boston gives:  Rondo

Orlando gives: Beno Udrih, Quinten Richardson, 2014 #1 pick (unprotected), Boston has option to switch 2013 1st rounder.

It would be the ultimate gamble trade.  Orlando gets a perennial all-star, face of the franchise type player, Boston gets two lotto tickets to try and get two more building blocks for the future.  Beno would help a bit next season, but this trade would be all about the future.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: vjcsmoke on March 08, 2013, 08:35:40 AM
A question to others - What do you realistically think other teams would be willing to deal for Rondo, especially after coming back from an ACL tear?

One interesting hypothetical to me is, if the 76ers didn't have PG locked down by Jrue Holiday (or if you could work out a three-way with a team that needs a PG), who would be willing to deal Rondo in a sign-and-trade for Andrew Bynum?  Or, if you have an negative emotional reaction to Bynum, what about the hypothetical of Rondo for a big with All-Star potential if healthy but with health that is as questionable as someone like Bynum or maybe Andrew Bogut?

If I was to trade rondo, I'd want some players back that can actually make it onto the court to play.

Interesting hypothetical. Don't be surprised if this summer we hear more rumors of Rondo being dealt to the Lakers for Pau Gasol. Sounds like Kobe is high on Rondo, and LA usually trades for or signs whatever player Kobe wants.

Assumingly, Nash would move to back up at 40 years old.

If the Celts get Gasol, don't be surprised to see KG and Paul come back next year. I like a KG, Paul and Gasol trio alot more than KG, Pierce and Rondo.

Gasol is old and starting to get into that injury prone age though.  I like the idea of getting a skilled big but I don't think Pau Gasol has much left in the tank. 

And this is one reason I wanted to see the Celtics move up and draft Austin Rivers.  It would have given us the flexibility to deal Rondo if we wanted to.  Oh well instead we got Fab Melo.  Fabulous!  :P

BTW it looks like Rivers stock is pretty low right now.  I say reunite the kid with his dad and watch him blossom into a star for us.  And that will give us the ability to deal Rondo out of a position of strength if we want to.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: slamtheking on March 08, 2013, 09:22:46 AM
Here's a trade I'd throw at Orlando.

Boston gives:  Rondo

Orlando gives: Beno Udrih, Quinten Richardson, 2014 #1 pick (unprotected), Boston has option to switch 2013 1st rounder.

It would be the ultimate gamble trade.  Orlando gets a perennial all-star, face of the franchise type player, Boston gets two lotto tickets to try and get two more building blocks for the future.  Beno would help a bit next season, but this trade would be all about the future.
OMG -- that's even worse than the original proposal which was horrible.

IF Rondo is traded, that deal needs to bring back at least a CURRENT all-star level talent and at least some of the following depending on that all-star:
- a high 1st rounder (preferably in 2014 which is projected to be a very good draft). Of course the issue is that if Rondo comes back healthy the team that gets him will not miss the playoffs by much if at all.
- another starter-quality player or 6th-man type of player.
- a young can't-miss prospect that may need only another year or 2 of development to become a very productive player.

The original proposal fails because Jameer is not a current all-star and Vucevic, while an intriguing prospect, isn't exactly a can't miss.  Also, put Rondo on that team and Orland would make the playoffs in the East thereby making their 1st rounder less valuable.

That last proposal has 2 guys that shouldn't be in the league, a 2014 1st rounder that becomes less valuable when Rondo plays for them (since their record will improve) and a swapped 2013 pick that, while no worse than #5 at this point, is in a fairly weak draft where the C's might be lucky to get an end-of-the-rotation-eventually quality of player.

I say hold on to him and watch how much better the team plays with him and Sully back next year now that the rest of the roster seems to have learned to play together effectively.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 08, 2013, 09:28:49 AM
As overrated as Rondo is... you really can't get any more "overrated" than Jameer Nelson.  I have him as possibly the worst all-star selection of all time.

AC Green?  Or do you just mean worst coaches' selection?


The only way I'd even consider this deal is if

- KG and Pierce were retiring, or at least ok with just a "farewell tour" type season (not likely)

- We get Orlando's 1st this year

- The 1st is high enough to select Marcus Smart

Even then it's a blowup move and a huge gamble.  Not the worst trade idea I've seen here but a long way from good value for Rondo.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: CoachBo on March 08, 2013, 12:20:30 PM
Jameer is 31 and is NOT washed up.  He has career averages of 45% from 2 point range, 38% from long range, 81% at the line (slightly higher than RR:-)))))

I am suggesting this trade for Big V, not for Jameer.  But, we will need a PG in return IF we trade RR.

Smitty77

Not sure I agree at all that we need a PG in a Rondo deal. I've been pretty pleased with Bradley and Lee - thus far.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Fafnir on March 08, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
Jameer is 31 and is NOT washed up.  He has career averages of 45% from 2 point range, 38% from long range, 81% at the line (slightly higher than RR:-)))))

I am suggesting this trade for Big V, not for Jameer.  But, we will need a PG in return IF we trade RR.

Smitty77
Jameer is pretty washed up. The shooting percetages you cite are his career numbers, he hasn't shot that well in 3 years. He's become more and more just a 3 point shooter as his quickness has declined.

He's been in decline for the past few years and has a game that won't age very well. Not to mention he's banged up consistently and just signed for 8 million per year for 3 years.

You shouldn't pay a below average starting PG 8 million.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Donoghus on March 08, 2013, 12:42:00 PM
I want absolutely no part of Jameer Nelson.

Also, Ainge would get skewered (rightfully so too) if he pulled the trigger on this. 
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 08, 2013, 12:46:58 PM
rather have Vucevic than Gortat .....think we can do better even.with patience

still rather have Cousins than either.

Hoping DA figures a way to snag Varajeo this summer  for peanuts.


Not really wanting any part of Nelson  on the C's...they can keep him .....




Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Smitty77 on March 08, 2013, 02:26:05 PM
Fafnir,

You are just incorrect.  In 2010/2011 he shot 44.6%FG/ 40.1% from long range, and 80.2% at the line.  In 2011/2012 he shot 42.7/37.7/ and 80.7.  In 2012/2013 he is shooting 39.3/34.3/ and 90.4.  Yes he is down this year, but he is averaging the MOST assists by FAR in his career and is shooting over 90% at the line.  Yes, 39.3% is not good, but how many open looks is he getting on this Magic team.

Also, you would be giving him a look/see for next year at $8 million and then you can cut ties if he doesn't do well.  I would bet he would do very well and Danny would choose to re-up him on the team option.

Besides, the trade is MOST about getting Big V, perhaps the BEST young up and coming C in the league!!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: nickagneta on March 08, 2013, 02:29:20 PM
Bad trade. Vucevic is good but not enough return for a star like Rondo and I can't stand Jameer Nelson. Not so much him, his game.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Fafnir on March 08, 2013, 02:34:31 PM
Fafnir,

You are just incorrect.  In 2010/2011 he shot 44.6%FG/ 40.1% from long range, and 80.2% at the line.  In 2011/2012 he shot 42.7/37.7/ and 80.7.  In 2012/2013 he is shooting 39.3/34.3/ and 90.4.  Yes he is down this year, but he is averaging the MOST assists by FAR in his career and is shooting over 90% at the line.  Yes, 39.3% is not good, but how many open looks is he getting on this Magic team.
So you state I'm incorrect and then you quote his shooting percentages that are declining like I said over the past three years? His FT rate has also declined.

His assists are up because the team is using him as a ballhandler more without Turk/VC around, but only up slighly under 1 per 36. His AST% is at his career norm.

His defense is even more non-existant now and his offense has declined a lot. Not a player I want any part of at 8 million and change for the non-guarenteed year. He's a below average PG now.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: WMark on March 08, 2013, 02:54:14 PM
...For Vucevic, draft picks (plural) and someone else.  Flip Nelson's contract to a third team.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Fafnir on March 08, 2013, 03:12:33 PM
Flip Nelson's contract to a third team.
That would cost a pick or something, teams wouldn't be lining up to pay Jameer 8 million.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 08, 2013, 03:17:55 PM
So you state I'm incorrect and then you quote his shooting percentages that are declining like I said over the past three years?

Best argument ever.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: CoachBo on March 08, 2013, 03:58:08 PM
There will definitely be better deals to be made this summer for Rondo than this one.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 08, 2013, 04:04:13 PM
There will definitely be better deals to be made this summer for Rondo than this one.

Agreed on multiple levels.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Smitty77 on March 08, 2013, 04:15:22 PM
So, Fafnir, averaging 37% from three over the last three years is horrible and declining?  Shooting 90+% at the line THIS year is declining?  Averaging by far his most assists EVER is declining?

Paying a +16 PG (while on a terrible team) $8 million for ONE stinking year is NOT that bad, especially if it means we get Big V.

What exactly does everyone think we can get for Rondo coming off a partial ACL tear??????????  Please post some plausible trade ideas, because I will be surprised if RR is in green after next year's trade deadline.

Smitty

Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Fafnir on March 08, 2013, 05:39:11 PM
So, Fafnir, averaging 37% from three over the last three years is horrible and declining?  Shooting 90+% at the line THIS year is declining?  Averaging by far his most assists EVER is declining?

Paying a +16 PG (while on a terrible team) $8 million for ONE stinking year is NOT that bad, especially if it means we get Big V.

What exactly does everyone think we can get for Rondo coming off a partial ACL tear??????????  Please post some plausible trade ideas, because I will be surprised if RR is in green after next year's trade deadline.

Smitty
Yes he's declining. He's shooting worse, getting to the line less, and becoming a less effective offensive player. He's declined and the trend is downward, plus factors that his game is based on quickness and that he's relying more than ever on 3 point shots.

eFG%
.580
.510
.517
.499
.471

TS%
.612
.540
.548
.524
.502

ORtg
121
110
109
106
102

TOV
12.6
15.5
17.6
17.3
16.0

He's not horrible, but he's a well below average starting PG just offensively now. Add in defense and he's quite bad for a starter and you're paying 8 million for a year and a partial on another year? Yuck.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on March 08, 2013, 07:05:23 PM
Sorry, but at some point you have to believe kobe knows MORE about a quality pg than you do...!!!
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: raynman on March 20, 2013, 06:16:19 AM
Rondo + filler(Melo) for Teague and Horford seems reasonable ..
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Celtics4ever on March 20, 2013, 06:19:37 AM
Rondo for V and J Nelson is a joke you have to be a Magic fan and magic is the only way it would happen!
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 20, 2013, 07:21:54 AM
Rondo is worth more than this .  don't want Nelson on the Celtics ever.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Moranis on March 20, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
Everyone on here knows I am not opposed to trading Rondo and I do like Vucevic, but Vucevic alone is not enough for Rondo (I know Nelson is in the trade, but I just consider him a throw in).  If it was something like Vucevic and Afflalo, I'd think pretty hard about it (I'd still want more of course, but I'd certainly think long and hard about it).  Say it is just Vucevic and Afflalo, I think that gives Boston a better shot at winning next year and adds a potential great young center for the future (as well as a solid guard in the same general age range as Rondo)

Guards - Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Terry
Wings - Pierce, Green
Bigs - Garnett, Vucevic, Sullinger, Bass

Pretty solid team for the next couple of years and when PP, KG, JT, and BB all come off the books, there is still a nice youngish core in Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Green, Vucevic, and Sullinger. 
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: slamtheking on March 20, 2013, 10:14:58 AM
Everyone on here knows I am not opposed to trading Rondo and I do like Vucevic, but Vucevic alone is not enough for Rondo (I know Nelson is in the trade, but I just consider him a throw in).  If it was something like Vucevic and Afflalo, I'd think pretty hard about it (I'd still want more of course, but I'd certainly think long and hard about it).  Say it is just Vucevic and Afflalo, I think that gives Boston a better shot at winning next year and adds a potential great young center for the future (as well as a solid guard in the same general age range as Rondo)

Guards - Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Terry
Wings - Pierce, Green
Bigs - Garnett, Vucevic, Sullinger, Bass

Pretty solid team for the next couple of years and when PP, KG, JT, and BB all come off the books, there is still a nice youngish core in Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Green, Vucevic, and Sullinger.
not a fan of Vucevic and Afflalo for Rondo.   not enough for Rondo.

Maybe, Vucevic, Harkless and Nicholson in the offseason IF we're reloading.  salaries don't match but I want some talent coming back for Rondo that we can build with.  Orlando would not give up enough of their promising young talent to make this worth it

Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Moranis on March 20, 2013, 11:23:58 AM
Everyone on here knows I am not opposed to trading Rondo and I do like Vucevic, but Vucevic alone is not enough for Rondo (I know Nelson is in the trade, but I just consider him a throw in).  If it was something like Vucevic and Afflalo, I'd think pretty hard about it (I'd still want more of course, but I'd certainly think long and hard about it).  Say it is just Vucevic and Afflalo, I think that gives Boston a better shot at winning next year and adds a potential great young center for the future (as well as a solid guard in the same general age range as Rondo)

Guards - Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Terry
Wings - Pierce, Green
Bigs - Garnett, Vucevic, Sullinger, Bass

Pretty solid team for the next couple of years and when PP, KG, JT, and BB all come off the books, there is still a nice youngish core in Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Green, Vucevic, and Sullinger.
not a fan of Vucevic and Afflalo for Rondo.   not enough for Rondo.

Maybe, Vucevic, Harkless and Nicholson in the offseason IF we're reloading.  salaries don't match but I want some talent coming back for Rondo that we can build with.  Orlando would not give up enough of their promising young talent to make this worth it
Then we don't ahve a trade.  Vucevic alone might be too much for Orlando to part with.  I mean a 22 year old center, averaging a double double who you have on a rookie contract for at least 2 more years.  Much rarer than a very good passing but weak scoring PG already in his prime.
Title: Re: Rondo for Vucevic and Jameer Nelson
Post by: Lucky17 on March 20, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
Everyone on here knows I am not opposed to trading Rondo and I do like Vucevic, but Vucevic alone is not enough for Rondo (I know Nelson is in the trade, but I just consider him a throw in).  If it was something like Vucevic and Afflalo, I'd think pretty hard about it (I'd still want more of course, but I'd certainly think long and hard about it).  Say it is just Vucevic and Afflalo, I think that gives Boston a better shot at winning next year and adds a potential great young center for the future (as well as a solid guard in the same general age range as Rondo)

Guards - Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Terry
Wings - Pierce, Green
Bigs - Garnett, Vucevic, Sullinger, Bass

Pretty solid team for the next couple of years and when PP, KG, JT, and BB all come off the books, there is still a nice youngish core in Bradley, Afflalo, Lee, Green, Vucevic, and Sullinger.
not a fan of Vucevic and Afflalo for Rondo.   not enough for Rondo.

Maybe, Vucevic, Harkless and Nicholson in the offseason IF we're reloading.  salaries don't match but I want some talent coming back for Rondo that we can build with.  Orlando would not give up enough of their promising young talent to make this worth it
Then we don't ahve a trade.  Vucevic alone might be too much for Orlando to part with.  I mean a 22 year old center, averaging a double double who you have on a rookie contract for at least 2 more years.  Much rarer than a very good passing but weak scoring PG already in his prime.

I agree.

I don't think Orlando would part with Vucevic in any trade that doesn't get them a C prospect with high upside. (Not Melo.)

Orlando still has a mammoth TE from the Dwight Howard trade, two 2014 1sts, and lots of other chips to move.

If I'm Danny Ainge, I trade Rondo only if I think KG and Pierce are both retiring. I ask for those 2014 picks, and another prospect, like Toby Harris or Mo Harkless. Maybe move some other salary off the books in exchange for a shorter-term contract from Orlando.