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Title: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: lightspeed5 on March 05, 2013, 12:19:16 AM
ray allen flops to a 5 ft 9 guy pushing him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlrkK4vS7kE

Looks like d-wade's flopping antics are rubbing off on ray allen now.

apparently now if you breathe on a heat player, you get ejected. Stern really needs his heat to do good.

im personally a big fan of jj barea. He has connections to boston since he played for northeastern.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2013, 12:25:13 AM
Haha what? They gave that a flagrant 2? That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: ManUp on March 05, 2013, 12:28:19 AM
I fail to see the flop... definitely nothing more than a regular foul though.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: lightspeed5 on March 05, 2013, 12:29:03 AM
yet d-wade can nearly kill rip, and its a flagrant 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLmwPaVbx0k&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: GreenEnvy on March 05, 2013, 12:30:10 AM
So much wrong with that video I don't even know where to start. From the initial foul by Ray not called to the exaggerated fall to his fake reaction trying to go after JJ to an actual ejection. I am slowly losing every last ounce of respect I ever had for Ray. Shame cause I really loved the guy the last 5 years.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Bahku on March 05, 2013, 12:36:48 AM
Funny ... J.J. flopped almost as much preceding.

Not sure what Ray got all testy about, cuz he should get a fine as well.

The whole flagrant foul thing has just gotten ridiculous, IMHO ... vets like Bird and Dr. J must just laugh and roll their eyes at this crapola.

I mean, come on ... this is absurd!
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: blink on March 05, 2013, 12:37:19 AM
Looks like RA got away with a shove right at the start, and the JJ gave him a hard foul.  I don't think that should have even been a flag 1.  But it doesn't really look like a flop to me either.  Just bad officiating all around on that play.  The NBA should be embarrassed when videos like that surface.  How they can get two calls wrong in 5 seconds just amazes me.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: guava_wrench on March 05, 2013, 12:38:25 AM
I fail to see the flop... definitely nothing more than a regular foul though.
Agreed. I don't agree with the flagrant 2, but Barea did knock Ray over with the body check. But the body check was nothing like the Odom body check on Ray.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 05, 2013, 12:41:53 AM
JJ's a flopper and chippy player himself, and was probably trying to flop at the beginning of the clip.

I can't see any way possible that that hit was a flagrant-2 though.  Flagrant-1 maybe, since Barea seemed to be clearly hitting him just to hit him, and followed through with the arm.  But ejectable?  No way.

The only thing I can think of is that if the game is out of hand sometimes the refs will deliberately make an ejection (and let the league reverse the call later) to avoid things getting really ugly.  As much as the league hates fighting it wouldn't surprise me if this was unofficial policy.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: LooseCannon on March 05, 2013, 12:47:25 AM
Barea waiving his arms trying to sell contact at the start of the clip seemed more floppy to me.  I think there was legitimate contact that caused Ray Allen to fall down.  It looked like an attempt to cause hard contact with not even a pretense of going after the ball or some other basketball play.

I can accept calling it a flagrant if it should be a flagrant if a much bigger man does the same thing to a smaller man.  And I suspect not calling it a flagrant invites retaliation of that sort from someone with an enforcer mentality.  That's why the Heat reportedly signed Juwan Howard, right?
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on March 05, 2013, 12:49:11 AM
Lol, the NBA is so soft and such a joke now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: guava_wrench on March 05, 2013, 12:50:35 AM
JJ's a flopper and chippy player himself, and was probably trying to flop at the beginning of the clip.

I can't see any way possible that that hit was a flagrant-2 though.  Flagrant-1 maybe, since Barea seemed to be clearly hitting him just to hit him, and followed through with the arm.  But ejectable?  No way.

The only thing I can think of is that if the game is out of hand sometimes the refs will deliberately make an ejection (and let the league reverse the call later) to avoid things getting really ugly.  As much as the league hates fighting it wouldn't surprise me if this was unofficial policy.
Your last comment is a good one. Without knowing the flow of the game, it is hard to evaluate the call.

Then again, I don't think 'chippy game' when I think of Minny.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 05, 2013, 12:59:52 AM
JJ's a flopper and chippy player himself, and was probably trying to flop at the beginning of the clip.

I can't see any way possible that that hit was a flagrant-2 though.  Flagrant-1 maybe, since Barea seemed to be clearly hitting him just to hit him, and followed through with the arm.  But ejectable?  No way.

The only thing I can think of is that if the game is out of hand sometimes the refs will deliberately make an ejection (and let the league reverse the call later) to avoid things getting really ugly.  As much as the league hates fighting it wouldn't surprise me if this was unofficial policy.
Your last comment is a good one. Without knowing the flow of the game, it is hard to evaluate the call.

Then again, I don't think 'chippy game' when I think of Minny.

Looked it up and Minny was only down 6 with 8 minutes left when Barea was ejected.  So there's no good reason at all to call it that way as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Bahku on March 05, 2013, 01:20:14 AM
Lol, the NBA is so soft and such a joke now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.
TP ... it's such a different game now, and pretty soon players' moms will be showing up to protect them in such situations, lol!

Oh, wait, too late! (LeBron's mom, etc.). ;)
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: jdz101 on March 05, 2013, 01:21:22 AM
Lol, the NBA is so soft and such a joke now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.

This.

The heat are the biggest bunch of NBA pets. We all may aswell give up supporting an opposing team to the heat at this point.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Smutzy#9 on March 05, 2013, 01:25:46 AM
JJ tried to sell a flop, failed he will probs get fined for both the flagrant 2 and the flop
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: bfrombleacher on March 05, 2013, 01:35:47 AM
Headlines should say:

"Refs eject Barea, beat the Timberwolves"
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: alley oop on March 05, 2013, 01:36:29 AM
Sick. Ray, the punk, and the refs.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: lightspeed5 on March 05, 2013, 01:37:39 AM
Looks like RA got away with a shove right at the start, and the JJ gave him a hard foul.  I don't think that should have even been a flag 1.  But it doesn't really look like a flop to me either.  Just bad officiating all around on that play.  The NBA should be embarrassed when videos like that surface.  How they can get two calls wrong in 5 seconds just amazes me.
theyre protecting the heat. they didnt get anything wrong. everything went according to sterns plan.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: timobusa on March 05, 2013, 01:41:01 AM
JJ tried to sell a flop, failed he will probs get fined for both the flagrant 2 and the flop

The SterNBA will also give that "fine" money towards Ray Allen and the cHeat organization.

The NBA will also make it mandatory to make the Miami Heat a Gold Plated Airplane so they feel like kings while they fly out to road games.

Sick of this BS.
The NBA is not what it used to anymore, now its just a league of prima donnas and fake classy guys.

Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: bfrombleacher on March 05, 2013, 01:45:42 AM
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Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: timobusa on March 05, 2013, 01:47:49 AM
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Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: SparzWizard on March 05, 2013, 02:28:47 AM
Lol Barea would've given Ray a little whooping! Show him wuddup Barea!
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: JoT on March 05, 2013, 02:37:48 AM
That was not worth an ejection at all.
 
Lol, the NBA is so soft and such a joke now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.
Thank you. I had to sit here and laugh while shaking my head after I saw what happened. I could understand a technical foul or a flagrant 1 maybe, but an ejection?

Lamar did worse to Ray back in I think 08 and that wasn't even an ejection. Matter of fact I think Lamar and Ray were both called for a technical foul and all Ray did was try to get Lamar off of him.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: cltc5 on March 05, 2013, 02:38:01 AM
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JJ is my new hero ;D
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: cltc5 on March 05, 2013, 02:41:23 AM
when. if the celtics get bounced from the playoffs, NBA is over for me.  Can't sit through and watch the cheat be given the title again.  This league is pathetic.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: clasher101 on March 05, 2013, 03:08:27 AM
ok number 1 barea tries to sell an offensive foul then charges allen and clearly pushes him down. maybe a flagrant 1 refs blew the call. but JJ lost his cool for sure he was shooting 1/10 at the time  ;D
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: mgent on March 05, 2013, 06:16:31 AM
Ray Allen flops?  Did you even watch the video?

I think you need to learn the definition because what Barea did was clearly more of a flop.  Flopping is an intentional reaction that is inconsistent with the contact that actually occurred. 

When Ray uses his off arm on Barea and he flails his arms back that's a flop, especially when he waits a second for the call instead of immediately getting back into him.

When Barea puts his body into Ray while he has the ball and he falls down, that's much more in the realm of selling the contact.  Talk about his height all you want, he's still an NBA athlete not a horse jockey.  Some players can withstand hits better than others, and sometimes balance plays a bigger factor than anything, but every player is going to sell that form of contact every time.

It's just part of the game.  Falling down is consistent with a player putting his body into you, no matter how hard they do it.  That's like saying a guy doesn't have to fall back after taking a charge.  Regardless of how much strength or balance you have, it's your job to get that call.

For the record, I wouldn't even call that close to a flagrant 1.  If the Celtics were given half the BS as the Heat we'd be 5 time champions.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: garz on March 05, 2013, 06:20:04 AM
Rayray upset because he broke a nail right after getting his manicure?
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Chief on March 05, 2013, 07:33:11 AM
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JJ is my new hero ;D

Mine too.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: edwardjkasche on March 05, 2013, 07:50:41 AM
The Heat are as FAKE tough as they come.

First place: Heat (personified by Wade)
Second place: Clippers (personified by Griffin and Paul)

They already get the benefit of almost every call made in a game(incl. their violent drives to the basket which should be called as offensive fouls!), and they can't be breathed on without a flagrant being considered, yet they flop like a bunch of soccer players and they whine after every perceived injustice.

If I were Wade or Allen or Bosh or Griffin or Paul, I would be embarrassed to flop around like a child on the court.  But, these guys aren't embarrassed, and that tells me a lot about their character and their "toughness."

Flopping is the most disgraceful act in sports next to outright cheating (whether of the steroid/HGH or throwing of a game variety).

In this ridiculous case from last night, the league will rescind the flagrant-2 and mark it a flagrant-1, but I guarantee you Allen doesn't get warned about flopping.

Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Roy H. on March 05, 2013, 07:57:46 AM
As others have noted above, that wasn't a flop.  It wasn't ejection-worthy, but it was unnecessary contact.

Some fans hate Ray Allen so much that they see things that aren't there, huh?
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: edwardjkasche on March 05, 2013, 08:24:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMLnOTewYGg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMLnOTewYGg)

THIS was a flagrant-2.

This was the most blatant, non-basketball-related foul I have seen committed in a game in years.  Wade wasn't jockeying for position or attempting to steal the ball.  He simply bull-rushed a smaller player from behind.  As dirty as they come.

Wade should have been ejected from the game and suspended for one game, playoffs be [dang]ed.

I want to rent a billboard across the street from NBA Executive offices here in NYC and run this clip on a constant loop.  The league's a g.d. joke.

Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: ssspence on March 05, 2013, 09:28:52 AM
somewhere Larry Bird is shaking his head....
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Evantime34 on March 05, 2013, 09:34:57 AM
As others have noted above, that wasn't a flop.  It wasn't ejection-worthy, but it was unnecessary contact.

Some fans hate Ray Allen so much that they see things that aren't there, huh?
Got to credit Barea for knocking Ray over in a way that wasn't an obvious ejection. Had he pushed him over it would have been much worse.

Ray certainly got trucked, I don't think it was a flop. That being said what instigated it was a straight arm offensive foul that went uncalled.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: CelticG1 on March 05, 2013, 09:39:34 AM
As others have noted above, that wasn't a flop.  It wasn't ejection-worthy, but it was unnecessary contact.

Some fans hate Ray Allen so much that they see things that aren't there, huh?

He should have been ejected. Just about anyone else in the NBA doing that to Allen and he could have seriously injured him. You shouldnt get preferencial treatment just becausebyou are the smallest guy on the court.

With that said thats what happens when refs miss obvious calls. Player ends up retaliating on someone else. Happens quite a bit and becauee of it you can get injuries and people thrown out of games often because of refs incompetence
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Chief on March 05, 2013, 09:45:46 AM
As others have noted above, that wasn't a flop.  It wasn't ejection-worthy, but it was unnecessary contact.

Some fans hate Ray Allen so much that they see things that aren't there, huh?


I've looked at it multiple times. I think it is a flop. Ray knocks Barea pretty good on the first contact, but you didn't see JJ falling to the floor. Barea did the same thing and Ray started performing stunt work from He Got Game.

Barea's reaction makes me think he believed Ray flopped too.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: daveh51292 on March 05, 2013, 09:52:28 AM
The old man is getting grumpier with age.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: LilRip on March 05, 2013, 09:58:41 AM
it's not a flop, that's a legit foul..

that said, it's not a flagrant. wade gets away with more a lot more BS than this. and if Barea had hit wade like this, he'd be suspended 1 game.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: MBz on March 05, 2013, 10:02:22 AM
I don't think Allen flopped, he definitely got hit.  That shouldn't be a flagrant 2 by any means.  I could see them giving a flagrant 1 for it though as their was no play on he ball.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: csfansince60s on March 05, 2013, 10:09:05 AM
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YES!

JJ is my new hero ;D

Mine too.

Me too.

I'll add JJ to Jarret Jack who was one of the few NBA players who had the stones to call Judas out for his traitorous ways.

Once a Diva always a Diva.

Getting ready for his new career after bball I guess.

Judas was fouled (not even a 1, though never-mind a 2)but that righteous indignation cHeat crap (he's adapted quickly to that privileged call crap the cHeat get)when he "went after" JJ is just a bunch of BS histrionics so prevalent in South Beach.

Looked like JJ called him a POS, if I read lips properly right at the end. That's calling it like it is JJ!
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on March 05, 2013, 10:13:27 AM
and JJ called ray a big women's organ 3 times after that.

and rightfully so. ray is a joke.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on March 05, 2013, 10:33:22 AM
Lol, the NBA is so soft and such a joke now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.

No doubt. I don't think Ray flopped, Barea really did push him, but calling a flagrant-2 is ridiculous, especially since Ray got away with a push of his own just before that—I think that's why Barea shoved him. And in comparing that to the clip of Wade shoving Hamilton, Wade's offense was at least as bad, maybe worse.

If it wasn't for the Celtics, I probably couldn't deal with the NBA anymore. Stern's retirement can't come too soon, though Silver will probably be just like him.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: kozlodoev on March 05, 2013, 10:40:25 AM
As others have noted above, that wasn't a flop.  It wasn't ejection-worthy, but it was unnecessary contact.

Some fans hate Ray Allen so much that they see things that aren't there, huh?
"Flopping" doesn't mean you don't get hit. It means you greatly exaggerate the impact of any contact that may or may not have occurred.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Roy H. on March 05, 2013, 11:06:55 AM
As others have noted above, that wasn't a flop.  It wasn't ejection-worthy, but it was unnecessary contact.

Some fans hate Ray Allen so much that they see things that aren't there, huh?
"Flopping" doesn't mean you don't get hit. It means you greatly exaggerate the impact of any contact that may or may not have occurred.

Yes, I know what flopping is.  We see it every game from Paul Pierce, who exaggerates for effect probably more than any player I've seen.  It's an unfortunate part of today's NBA, where guys "sell" calls.

Ray didn't flop.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 05, 2013, 11:10:02 AM
As others have noted above, that wasn't a flop.  It wasn't ejection-worthy, but it was unnecessary contact.

Some fans hate Ray Allen so much that they see things that aren't there, huh?
"Flopping" doesn't mean you don't get hit. It means you greatly exaggerate the impact of any contact that may or may not have occurred.

Yes, I know what flopping is.  We see it every game from Paul Pierce, who exaggerates for effect probably more than any player I've seen.  It's an unfortunate part of today's NBA, where guys "sell" calls.

Ray didn't flop.

*Pierce drops the ball when driving; doesn't get hit at all* "AHHH!!!"
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: kozlodoev on March 05, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
As others have noted above, that wasn't a flop.  It wasn't ejection-worthy, but it was unnecessary contact.

Some fans hate Ray Allen so much that they see things that aren't there, huh?
"Flopping" doesn't mean you don't get hit. It means you greatly exaggerate the impact of any contact that may or may not have occurred.

Yes, I know what flopping is.  We see it every game from Paul Pierce, who exaggerates for effect probably more than any player I've seen.  It's an unfortunate part of today's NBA, where guys "sell" calls.

Ray didn't flop.
Just making it clear, because the others that you cite pretty much say "It wasn't a flop, he got hit".

In this particular case, he probably didn't embelish much, true. But the whole tough guy routine after the fact was hilarious.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: CelticG1 on March 05, 2013, 11:30:20 AM
Nevermind I re watched from diffderent angle no way that should be a flagrant 2. Nothing compared to dwade lowering his shoulder running through Pierce on a pick (which whatvgot pierce kicked out of a game and wade a personal?)

BAarea certainly has a point. He almost gets knocked out ffrom bynum for life and he doesnt jump up huffing and puffing. Ray said theres no place in the game for it? Theres no place for hard fouls? Youd think hed be a little more old school. Would seriosuly doubt guys like Pierce, kg, kobe would say that but I guess they are a different breed.

Ray following the steps of teammates now. Like lebron when he threw the ball at JO after a hard foul. Another ridiculous nba moment
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: j804 on March 05, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
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YES!

JJ is my new hero ;D

Mine too.

Me too.

I'll add JJ to Jarret Jack who was one of the few NBA players who had the stones to call Judas out for his traitorous ways.

Once a Diva always a Diva.

Getting ready for his new career after bball I guess.

Judas was fouled (not even a 1, though never-mind a 2)but that righteous indignation cHeat crap (he's adapted quickly to that privileged call crap the cHeat get)when he "went after" JJ is just a bunch of BS histrionics so prevalent in South Beach.

Looked like JJ called him a POS, if I read lips properly right at the end. That's calling it like it is JJ!
LOL can read lips pretty well and he doesn't call him a POS it's actually far worse....
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: csfansince60s on March 05, 2013, 11:49:39 AM
Lol, the NBA is so soft and such a joke now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.


If it wasn't for the Celtics, I probably couldn't deal with the NBA anymore. Stern's retirement can't come too soon, though Silver will probably be just like him.

So true, rock.

As The Who (who "won't get fooled again" like so many of Stern apologists) sing:

"Meet the new boss, ....."
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: perks-a-beast on March 05, 2013, 12:01:45 PM
aand i think J.J. Barea just passed joakim noah as my favorite non celtic.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: bucknersrevenge on March 05, 2013, 12:15:13 PM
Wow...I am completely shocked by how many people see this as a flagrant 2 by Barea. He wasn't exactly a bettering ram out there. Certainly not enough to send #20 flying like that. Was it a foul? Sure. #20 drives. Barea trying to cut off penetration and beat him to the spot bumps him with the body. I see no conclusive evidence that says Barea extended his arms and pushed him. He bumped him with the body. It's a foul. Ray goes flying. Acts like he's hard. What a joke. Him and the whole call. Love Barea for his response. I agree with that poster who said he has lost all respect for #20. I used to love him. Love watching him play. It's just embarrassing now. Studio gangsters, man.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Roy H. on March 05, 2013, 12:26:19 PM
Love Barea for his response. I agree with that poster who said he has lost all respect for #20. I used to love him. Love watching him play. It's just embarrassing now. Studio gangsters, man.

You respect Barea, but not Ray?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHt1hrYe_I

Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: bucknersrevenge on March 05, 2013, 12:31:27 PM
Love Barea for his response. I agree with that poster who said he has lost all respect for #20. I used to love him. Love watching him play. It's just embarrassing now. Studio gangsters, man.

You respect Barea, but not Ray?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHt1hrYe_I

What exactly does your video have to do with the price of tea in China? I said I respect Barea for his response to #20 on that particular play. Calling him out. The other video circulating on this thread where he has choice words for the drama queen. I respect him doing THAT. Is Barea a flopper in his own right? Sure. Never said he wasn't. But if you notice on your video, nowhere did Barea charge the ballhandler and act like he was all tough. Some people need to just play their position and quit acting like they're something they're not.

BTW Kevin McHale and Kurt Rambis are rolling over in their graves at this.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: BballTim on March 05, 2013, 12:34:46 PM


  Barea's lucky the play didn't happen in Mass, the law takes a fairly dim view of assaulting the elderly.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: csfansince60s on March 05, 2013, 12:38:53 PM
Love Barea for his response. I agree with that poster who said he has lost all respect for #20. I used to love him. Love watching him play. It's just embarrassing now. Studio gangsters, man.

You respect Barea, but not Ray?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHt1hrYe_I

Not speaking for bucknersrevenge, but for me, my enemy's enemy is my friend.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Roy H. on March 05, 2013, 12:44:33 PM
Love Barea for his response. I agree with that poster who said he has lost all respect for #20. I used to love him. Love watching him play. It's just embarrassing now. Studio gangsters, man.

You respect Barea, but not Ray?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHt1hrYe_I

Not speaking for bucknersrevenge, but for me, my enemy's enemy is my friend.

I just find all the false outrage to be comical.

Fans are really up in arms about an alleged flop by Ray (which wasn't a flop at all, in my opinion) at the hands of J.J. Barea, one of the biggest floppers in the NBA? 

Let's just say that if Ray hadn't switched teams this past off-season, many of the thoughts expressed toward Barea in this thread would be the exact opposite.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: CelticsFan9 on March 05, 2013, 01:05:22 PM
Both guys are at fault here.

Barea needs to be more mature.  Just because you think you drew an offensive foul and didn't get the call doesn't merit you the right to give another player an unnecessary hit.  It certainly wasn't a Flagrant 2, but it was absolutely unnecessary.

Ray should've walked away.  There's no need to escalate the situation.  You got the foul call, and you successfully got a guy to lose his cool.  You won.  I think it would've been appropriate to give him a T for going after Barea, but nothing else.

Also, Barea's antics as he left the court were pretty classless, albeit awesome.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Smitty77 on March 05, 2013, 01:14:42 PM
As was mentioned earlier, Ray CLEARLY got away with an uncalled stiff arm that ticked JJ off.  I have always love Barea and wanted him and still would LOVE him in green!!

I HATE traitors and Ray is and ALWAYS WILL BE a TRAITOR to me!

I cannot understand your defense of Ray, Roy!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Roy H. on March 05, 2013, 01:18:18 PM

I cannot understand your defense of Ray, Roy!!

I don't see imaginary flops just because the player who was legitimately fouled left my favorite team?
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: LooseCannon on March 05, 2013, 01:24:00 PM
As others have noted above, that wasn't a flop.  It wasn't ejection-worthy, but it was unnecessary contact.

Some fans hate Ray Allen so much that they see things that aren't there, huh?

I'd say I hate Judas Shuttlesworth enough to wish it was Dwight Howard doing the shoving instead of JJ Barea.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: makaveli on March 05, 2013, 01:25:07 PM
Offensive foul on Ray in the first place, and a regular foul, without even a glimpse of doubt of being a f1 let alone a f2...
why don't they fine refs for bad calls, it would make any sport so much better
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: CelticG1 on March 05, 2013, 01:33:43 PM

I cannot understand your defense of Ray, Roy!!

I don't see imaginary flops just because the player who was legitimately fouled left my favorite team?

How aboyt the charging after him and saying theres "no place in the game for that"?

Really theres no place in the game for physicality? Again Pierce, kg, kobe or any other real competitor wouldnt be crying like that after the game.

Who knows though he may have been rambling on at one of those media sessions that he so adores
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: csfansince60s on March 05, 2013, 01:35:32 PM
Love Barea for his response. I agree with that poster who said he has lost all respect for #20. I used to love him. Love watching him play. It's just embarrassing now. Studio gangsters, man.

You respect Barea, but not Ray?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHt1hrYe_I

Not speaking for bucknersrevenge, but for me, my enemy's enemy is my friend.

I just find all the false outrage to be comical.

Fans are really up in arms about an alleged flop by Ray (which wasn't a flop at all, in my opinion) at the hands of J.J. Barea, one of the biggest floppers in the NBA? 

Let's just say that if Ray hadn't switched teams this past off-season, many of the thoughts expressed toward Barea in this thread would be the exact opposite.

Ray, I mean Roy, (I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. I have much respect for you, your opinions and all that you bring to this board in terms of level-headedness and fairness.), the outrage isn't about this play/call, it is just a manifestation of the loathing and contempt,  that many of us feel is justified for what the Diva has done to his friends (esp. KG/PP) and the Celtic fans who took exception to what he did.

The emotions that this subject and the Diva evoke are very visceral and therefore very subjective. We all look at things through a different lens, rarely more so than when "gut feelings" are involved.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Roy H. on March 05, 2013, 01:43:16 PM
the outrage isn't about this play/call, it is just a manifestation of the loathing and contempt,  that many of us feel is justified ...

That's all I'm saying.  I get that Ray can do no right in the eyes of many fans.  I just don't think this was a "big time" flop, or a flop at all.  The perception of many that Ray did something wrong (at least on the initial foul) is colored by the fact that they don't like the guy.  That causes them to see something that isn't there.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: D Dub on March 05, 2013, 01:48:37 PM
What's JJ, about 5'8" 175lb?   

granted probably a F1 because JJ didn't make any play on the ball -- but come on now -- if it's a pickup game at the Y that guy doesn't fall flat to the ground
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: bucknersrevenge on March 05, 2013, 01:54:16 PM
Love Barea for his response. I agree with that poster who said he has lost all respect for #20. I used to love him. Love watching him play. It's just embarrassing now. Studio gangsters, man.


You respect Barea, but not Ray?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHt1hrYe_I

Not speaking for bucknersrevenge, but for me, my enemy's enemy is my friend.

I just find all the false outrage to be comical.

Fans are really up in arms about an alleged flop by Ray (which wasn't a flop at all, in my opinion) at the hands of J.J. Barea, one of the biggest floppers in the NBA? 

Let's just say that if Ray hadn't switched teams this past off-season, many of the thoughts expressed toward Barea in this thread would be the exact opposite.

What makes the outrage false again?? You mean because YOU said it's false? And who is outraged by the way? Got it. So no chance anyone could sincerely think Ray was being overly dramatic about a bump from a guy half his size. Flew off his feet and then got up like he was gonna do something about it. Again, Barea flopped in your video. No fake bravado from him after the play and no one got kicked out of the game after that play either. That's the real issue.

And Roy take a gander at the entire thread. More people than not are saying that it should have been called. It doesn't matter what team Ray plays for or that he left. That sounds like a personal issue.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: D Dub on March 05, 2013, 02:02:34 PM
methinks that guy needs to make a trip to the anti-aging clinic if the smallest guy in the L can knock him over so easily...
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: LooseCannon on March 05, 2013, 02:02:36 PM
What makes the outrage false again?? You mean because YOU said it's false? And who is outraged by the way? Got it. So no chance anyone could sincerely think Ray was being overly dramatic about a bump from a guy half his size.

I agree that the outrage is real, rather than false.  I think someone can be sincere about believing Ray Allen flopped.  I just have a hard time believing anyone can be sincere and intelligent/well-informed while doing so.  Would you rather be accused of disingenuously dialing up the hate or of being a moron?
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: KGs Knee on March 05, 2013, 02:10:35 PM
My take on the situation:

-Clear offensive foul by Ray intially (Barea did embellish the contact however)

-Clear flagrant foul by Barea afetrwards, he made zero attempt to make a play on the ball.  If anything, it looked like a textbook shoulder check you'd see in a hockey game.

-No way it should have been a flagrant 2, but given the circumstance, I'm not suprised.  The NBA seems to go out of their way to de-escalate any situation with the potential for further altercations.

-Miami once again, gets the benefit of a bad call.  Had the official simply called the original offensive foul on Ray, the rest never happens.

-Bottom line: Barea shouldn't have reacted in the manner he did.  A missed called on a play like this is no excuse to throw shoulder into someone, it's a dirty play.  That said, I absolutely loved it.  Seeing Ray get punked like that was sweet.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: timobusa on March 05, 2013, 02:24:16 PM
Yeah a 5 foot 9 170 pound guy can knock out a 6 foot 5 dude.

Yeah right....

Jesus Floppersworth
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on March 05, 2013, 02:30:25 PM
Lol, the NBA is so soft and such a joke now. I don't know how much more of this I can take.


If it wasn't for the Celtics, I probably couldn't deal with the NBA anymore. Stern's retirement can't come too soon, though Silver will probably be just like him.

So true, rock.

As The Who (who "won't get fooled again" like so many of Stern apologists) sing:

"Meet the new boss, ....."

Good one! TP
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: csfansince60s on March 05, 2013, 02:50:42 PM
Windhorst says officially downgraded to a #1. Marvels at Malloy still getting late playoff games.

 https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: alley oop on March 05, 2013, 03:06:44 PM
"The video has been removed by the user"
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: sofutomygaha on March 05, 2013, 03:14:45 PM
My take on the situation:

-Clear offensive foul by Ray intially (Barea did embellish the contact however)

-Clear flagrant foul by Barea afetrwards, he made zero attempt to make a play on the ball.  If anything, it looked like a textbook shoulder check you'd see in a hockey game.

-No way it should have been a flagrant 2, but given the circumstance, I'm not suprised.  The NBA seems to go out of their way to de-escalate any situation with the potential for further altercations.

-Miami once again, gets the benefit of a bad call.  Had the official simply called the original offensive foul on Ray, the rest never happens.

-Bottom line: Barea shouldn't have reacted in the manner he did.  A missed called on a play like this is no excuse to throw shoulder into someone, it's a dirty play.  That said, I absolutely loved it.  Seeing Ray get punked like that was sweet.

Right on with all of this. I'll add that I think Barea got it bumped up to a flagrant two because he looked Allen right in the eye and screamingly called him  a... well.. an effing kitten... so many times after the foul that there was really no way you could put him back on the court after that. Allen wouldn't have gotten dirty, but you better believe that another heat player would have tried to kill him.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on March 05, 2013, 03:26:32 PM
Was watching live last night and i wouldn't say ray flopped but it was funny seeing a little guy like J.J. push him. When watched the play unfold in real time Ray purposly threw his forearm/elbow at J.J. to clear him away. So that should have been a foul. The fact that it was called a flagrant two is a joke.

And there were multiple bad calls after that. A 3 which should have been an and 1 that Alexi hit would have made it a 5 point 79-74 but was called for kicking his leg out. Then t-wolves get a stop and cunnigham drop steps hits a shot waved off a called for a charge. Changed the game the heat then went down at 79-70 and ran away with it. Really bad ref job last night.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on March 05, 2013, 03:30:27 PM
Also loved what barea was saying to Ray allen as he was walking to the locker room.  ;D
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: ManUp on March 05, 2013, 03:57:43 PM
(http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/7fcfc683a35dc1ed0898836eebc66a30_large)

From T-Wolves RealGM

YES!

JJ is my new hero ;D

Mine too.

Me too.

I'll add JJ to Jarret Jack who was one of the few NBA players who had the stones to call Judas out for his traitorous ways.

Once a Diva always a Diva.

Getting ready for his new career after bball I guess.

Judas was fouled (not even a 1, though never-mind a 2)but that righteous indignation cHeat crap (he's adapted quickly to that privileged call crap the cHeat get)when he "went after" JJ is just a bunch of BS histrionics so prevalent in South Beach.

Looked like JJ called him a POS, if I read lips properly right at the end. That's calling it like it is JJ!

I try not to look up to others, but Barea had earned his extra points with me when I found out he's was dating(now married to) Miss (Puerto Rico) Universe.

(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/eu3zYgaxyKqy_mPCNdccrw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD05NDk7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/607/2012/12/19/2006-Zuleyka-Rivera-Mendoza--Miss-Puerto-Rico-2006-jpg_070848.jpg)

IMO, a much better reason to have Barea as a hero,  ;). JJ is winning in this game called life.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 05, 2013, 04:14:33 PM
JJ's a flopper and chippy player himself, and was probably trying to flop at the beginning of the clip.

I can't see any way possible that that hit was a flagrant-2 though.  Flagrant-1 maybe, since Barea seemed to be clearly hitting him just to hit him, and followed through with the arm.  But ejectable?  No way.

The only thing I can think of is that if the game is out of hand sometimes the refs will deliberately make an ejection (and let the league reverse the call later) to avoid things getting really ugly.  As much as the league hates fighting it wouldn't surprise me if this was unofficial policy.
Your last comment is a good one. Without knowing the flow of the game, it is hard to evaluate the call.

Then again, I don't think 'chippy game' when I think of Minny.

Looked it up and Minny was only down 6 with 8 minutes left when Barea was ejected.  So there's no good reason at all to call it that way as far as I'm concerned.

But what if Ray had been pushing JJ around all game? That could have just been the tipping point (I don't know)

JJ is a nuisance to a lot of players. KG roughed him up once   ;D
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: Sketch5 on March 05, 2013, 04:15:29 PM
(http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/7fcfc683a35dc1ed0898836eebc66a30_large)

From T-Wolves RealGM

YES!

JJ is my new hero ;D

Mine too.

Me too.

I'll add JJ to Jarret Jack who was one of the few NBA players who had the stones to call Judas out for his traitorous ways.

Once a Diva always a Diva.

Getting ready for his new career after bball I guess.

Judas was fouled (not even a 1, though never-mind a 2)but that righteous indignation cHeat crap (he's adapted quickly to that privileged call crap the cHeat get)when he "went after" JJ is just a bunch of BS histrionics so prevalent in South Beach.

Looked like JJ called him a POS, if I read lips properly right at the end. That's calling it like it is JJ!

I try not to look up to others, but Barea had earned his extra points with me when I found out he's was dating(now married to) Miss (Puerto Rico) Universe.

(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/eu3zYgaxyKqy_mPCNdccrw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD05NDk7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/607/2012/12/19/2006-Zuleyka-Rivera-Mendoza--Miss-Puerto-Rico-2006-jpg_070848.jpg)

IMO, a much better reason to have Barea as a hero,  ;). JJ is winning in this game called life.

JJ is saying exactly what I want to say right now but can't do to the forum rules.

NO way thats a flagrant 2. I wouldn't even call it a 1. A hard foul? Yeah, but what Allen did to JJ was the same, only JJ didn't go down like a...Well, I think JJ say's it all.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: bucknersrevenge on March 05, 2013, 04:20:36 PM
Windhorst says officially downgraded to a #1. Marvels at Malloy still getting late playoff games.

 https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN

Shocker of the day there. Probably could've downgraded it all the way but probably didn't want to embarass the ref that called it.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2013, 04:24:51 PM
(http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/7fcfc683a35dc1ed0898836eebc66a30_large)

From T-Wolves RealGM

*saved*
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: dinome18 on March 05, 2013, 05:53:10 PM
Can't read lips. What's he calling him?
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: CelticsFan9 on March 05, 2013, 05:55:54 PM
Can't read lips. What's he calling him?

A flippin' kitten.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: D.o.s. on March 05, 2013, 06:42:51 PM
I think it was Simmons, but it might have been someone else that picked Barea in the "Guy you'd pick last in every rec league/street hoops pickup game who would end up absolutely crushing it" category.

I agree. Dude is fun to watch.
Title: Re: JJ Barea ejected for "flagrant 2 foul" on Ray Allen... (Ray flops big time)
Post by: CelticG1 on March 06, 2013, 09:48:12 AM
Windhorst says officially downgraded to a #1. Marvels at Malloy still getting late playoff games.

 https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN

Kicked Pierce out of a heat playoff game. Weeeeiiirrrddd