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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: krook on March 02, 2013, 10:57:36 AM
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How Can Kevin Garnett Rest
If White And Radolph Are Not Playing?
Given A 10 Day Contract, How Can We Proved That Randolph And White Are Suited In Celtics System, Given Only 10 Days
How? While Doc Rivers Don't Used Them......
Why Sign Them If You Don't Used Them?
How Can KG And Pierce Be Fresh And Not Toast And Out Of Gas Come Playoffs?
Even T-Will As Back-Up Of Pierce
Whats Wrong With Doc Rivers Coaching Style
Bradley/Crawford
Lee/Terry
Pierce/Williams
Green/White/Bass
Garnett/Wilcox/Randolph
Bass And Wilcox Out Of Rotation For A While
or
PP and KG Out For Rotation (Rest)
Lets See What White And Randolph Can Do
AGREE?
I Don't Want To See A Varnando And Milicic Scenario Here
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Have a strong feeling our oldies will be rested on the Philly game... this will give our new guy some PT
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You're aware that Garnett only played 32 minutes and that we have 3 or 4 days, depending on how you look at it, of rest right?
Take Bass and Wilcox out of the rotation for a while? That makes absolutely no sense.
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You don't take out regular rotation players and replace them with guys like Randolph or White who don't even really know the plays or definsive rotations. In close games that's how you lose. Come on now...
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You're aware that Garnett only played 32 minutes and that we have 3 or 4 days, depending on how you look at it, of rest right?
Take Bass and Wilcox out of the rotation for a while? That makes absolutely no sense.
Yup I'm aware ;)
Resting kg or pp is not just coz they need a rest its to prevent unnecessary injury on them..
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How Can Kevin Garnett Rest
If White And Radolph Are Not Playing?
Given A 10 Day Contract, How Can We Proved That Randolph And White Are Suited In Celtics System, Given Only 10 Days
How? While Doc Rivers Don't Used Them......
Why Sign Them If You Don't Used Them?
How Can KG And Pierce Be Fresh And Not Toast And Out Of Gas Come Playoffs?
Even T-Will As Back-Up Of Pierce
Whats Wrong With Doc Rivers Coaching Style
Bradley/Crawford
Lee/Terry
Pierce/Williams
Green/White/Bass
Garnett/Wilcox/Randolph
Bass And Wilcox Out Of Rotation For A While
Lets See What White And Randolph Can Do
AGREE?
Ummm....Terrence Williams is a point guard bud...
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perhaps doc and the coaching team rely upon practices to judge them? and maybe other members of the bench are playing more?
these guys are playing 10 day contracts for a reason. it is easy to see they are marginal nba players since they have proven it through their past play. i hope they can help the celtics but i am not worried that they dont play yet.
as far as KG's minutes, he is averaging 30 minutes a game for the season. in the past 7 games he has averaged...... 30 minutes a game. that includes the overtime in utah and does NOT include the dnp against phoenix.
actually, i am surprised KG is only playing 30 minutes lately given the loss of sully. but it seems that wilcox is being called upon to play more and is doing rather well.
wilcox has averaged about 10 minutes a game this season, but has averaged 19 minutes in the past 4 games. that is keeping KG's minutes at his season average.
wilcox has averaged something like 6.5 points and 4 rebounds in those last 4 games. not bad. i hope he keeps it up.
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It is an absolute outrage that Doc Rivers won't play fringe NBA players on 10-day contracts who don't know the plays or the defensive schemes!
When will Doc stop being so stubborn and start developing all of this young talent!
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Wasnt this our one game in seven days stretch? Why rest them after they just had three days off with another three to come?
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Cry me a river...
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relax my friend. These guys are end bench players. They are happy just to sitting somewhere right now or otherwise would be playing in the nbdl or sitting at home.
Against GS also wilcox and Bass did a good job in the game. When either of these guys don't do their jobs or vs certain matchups we will see white and randolph sooner than later.
But these guys have to realize the one chance they get, they have to play for their lives, if they want to stay and get a chance in the rotation.
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How Can Kevin Garnett Rest
If White And Radolph Are Not Playing?
Given A 10 Day Contract, How Can We Proved That Randolph And White Are Suited In Celtics System, Given Only 10 Days
How? While Doc Rivers Don't Used Them......
Why Sign Them If You Don't Used Them?
How Can KG And Pierce Be Fresh And Not Toast And Out Of Gas Come Playoffs?
Even T-Will As Back-Up Of Pierce
Whats Wrong With Doc Rivers Coaching Style
Bradley/Crawford
Lee/Terry
Pierce/Williams
Green/White/Bass
Garnett/Wilcox/Randolph
Is there a language that capitalizes every word? I don't think I've ever seen a post like that before.
Bass And Wilcox Out Of Rotation For A While
or
PP and KG Out For Rotation (Rest)
Lets See What White And Randolph Can Do
AGREE?
I Don't Want To See A Varnando And Milicic Scenario Here
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I understand the worry about Doc relying on his proven and aging veterans too much, but this is just silly about these three guys. They just gave Williams a contract that is far better than him winning a second 10-day gig. He's now got months to prove himself and a ticket to the playoffs.
As to White and Randolph, they were just signed the day before and had all of one day's practice with the team. They are both eligible for a second 10-day chance before Danny has to decide more definitely, and now they've got another couple of days to acclimate themselves to the team and their system before getting their examination under the bright lights. I imagine what they show in practice will also influence how eager Doc and Danny are to see them in games.
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Wilcox has the highest shooting % in the league; but is lucky to see 15 min. a game. I don't get it. Especially when you can play wilcox and kg together. Need practice bodies for sure and you need to rely on Danny and Doc to see what is happening on and off the court on offense and on defense.
Bass is late on rotations and his offense has been pretty spotty.
More Wilcox, Randolph and White. Less Bass from where I sit.
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How Can Kevin Garnett Rest
If White And Radolph Are Not Playing?
Given A 10 Day Contract, How Can We Proved That Randolph And White Are Suited In Celtics System, Given Only 10 Days
How? While Doc Rivers Don't Used Them......
There's this thing called practice.
I don't see why you'd think we would make a decision on how somebody fits with our team based on 10 minutes together in a game. Getting Wilcox back in a rhythm is our main priority considering he's gonna going to be our only productive big outside of KG and Bass no matter what.
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from reading some of the comments here defending Doc Rivers you would think Celtics are the only team with a defensive scheme. Why is it always the Celtics system that is so difficult for new players to learn.
If this is truly the case maybe the scheme should be simplified. What is the purpose of a scheme that cannot be taught.
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from reading some of the comments here defending Doc Rivers you would think Celtics are the only team with a defensive scheme. Why is it always the Celtics system that is so difficult for new players to learn.
If this is truly the case maybe the scheme should be simplified. What is the purpose of a scheme that cannot be taught.
The scheme obviously can be taught. It has yielded 1 championship, 2 Finals appearances, 3 ECF appearances, 5(soon to be 6)playoff appearances and two of the best defenses ever(in 2007-08 and 2011-12(before Bradley went down in the playoffs), in just 6 seasons.
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If this is truly the case maybe the scheme should be simplified. What is the purpose of a scheme that cannot be taught.
It can be taught, but not to everybody and not quickly. I just pretty much assume that it takes half a season for most players to figure it out, so the lack of continuity of bench players is a problem.
I'm okay with the idea that inability to grasp the defensive schemes will result in decreased playing time. I like Doc's bias towards defense over offense.
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How Can Kevin Garnett Rest
If White And Radolph Are Not Playing?
Given A 10 Day Contract, How Can We Proved That Randolph And White Are Suited In Celtics System, Given Only 10 Days
How? While Doc Rivers Don't Used Them......
Why Sign Them If You Don't Used Them?
How Can KG And Pierce Be Fresh And Not Toast And Out Of Gas Come Playoffs?
Even T-Will As Back-Up Of Pierce
Whats Wrong With Doc Rivers Coaching Style
Bradley/Crawford
Lee/Terry
Pierce/Williams
Green/White/Bass
Garnett/Wilcox/Randolph
Bass And Wilcox Out Of Rotation For A While
or
PP and KG Out For Rotation (Rest)
Lets See What White And Randolph Can Do
AGREE?
I Don't Want To See A Varnando And Milicic Scenario Here
I don't know, but whatever Doc does irritates me very easily these days. Such as running KG to the ground when it's unnecessary. Or sticking with cold-players over hot players on the floor.
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from reading some of the comments here defending Doc Rivers you would think Celtics are the only team with a defensive scheme. Why is it always the Celtics system that is so difficult for new players to learn.
If this is truly the case maybe the scheme should be simplified. What is the purpose of a scheme that cannot be taught.
The scheme obviously can be taught. It has yielded 1 championship, 2 Finals appearances, 3 ECF appearances, 5(soon to be 6)playoff appearances and two of the best defenses ever(in 2007-08 and 2011-12(before Bradley went down in the playoffs), in just 6 seasons.
Random but nick why do you have on a lakers logo?
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from reading some of the comments here defending Doc Rivers you would think Celtics are the only team with a defensive scheme. Why is it always the Celtics system that is so difficult for new players to learn.
If this is truly the case maybe the scheme should be simplified. What is the purpose of a scheme that cannot be taught.
The scheme obviously can be taught. It has yielded 1 championship, 2 Finals appearances, 3 ECF appearances, 5(soon to be 6)playoff appearances and two of the best defenses ever(in 2007-08 and 2011-12(before Bradley went down in the playoffs), in just 6 seasons.
Random but nick why do you have on a lakers logo?
Yea, I was wondering the same thing. What's up with that Nick?
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i guess nick is just flat out evil. ;)
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from reading some of the comments here defending Doc Rivers you would think Celtics are the only team with a defensive scheme. Why is it always the Celtics system that is so difficult for new players to learn.
If this is truly the case maybe the scheme should be simplified. What is the purpose of a scheme that cannot be taught.
The year KG hurt his knee might be the only recent year we weren't top 3 in defense lately. I'd find something other than our defensive schemes to criticize.
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as multiple people have said, 2 reasons why doc hasnt played them much:
1. they dont know the defense yet (we've seen how he reacts when guys miss assignments during games)
2. 3 day rest prior to this game, 3 day rest after this game (GS game im talking about)
he wanted to secure the W. obv if it was like the phx game, randolph white and t-will would have played.
though it is interesting j-craw finished off the game. i guess cause hes been playing nba level game this season whereas the other 3 have not, he got a little more burn early on.
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C'mon, folks, don't you know the rules of the T-Ball League? Every kid has to play in every game. Otherwise, we risk damaging their self-confidence and self-belief. We can't have that.
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from reading some of the comments here defending Doc Rivers you would think Celtics are the only team with a defensive scheme. Why is it always the Celtics system that is so difficult for new players to learn.
If this is truly the case maybe the scheme should be simplified. What is the purpose of a scheme that cannot be taught.
The scheme obviously can be taught. It has yielded 1 championship, 2 Finals appearances, 3 ECF appearances, 5(soon to be 6)playoff appearances and two of the best defenses ever(in 2007-08 and 2011-12(before Bradley went down in the playoffs), in just 6 seasons.
Random but nick why do you have on a lakers logo?
Yea, I was wondering the same thing. What's up with that Nick?
I've been wondering that too. I think it has to do with 'Lakers' being his Pick-2 team -- which I think is a CBlog fantasy league.
Nonetheless, there is no reason for a Lakers logo on these boards. I get physically ill each time Nick's posts now. And I think the quality of his posts has deteriorated significantly since adding the logo. ;)
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Random but nick why do you have on a lakers logo?
Pick Two Draft (see his sig).
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Random but nick why do you have on a lakers logo?
Pick Two Draft (see his sig).
As the poster above said, that's no excuse! I think his posts have deteriorated since using the lakers logo, I automatically think it's a troll when I see that logo!
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i want to see white and randolph 10 or more than minutes... lets see how many many rebounds points or how will they react on the court in celtics playing style up tempo offense + defense
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i think we should have signed a 7'0 center not randolph... china is different from NBA...see randolph stats in NBA
because most Chinese players have no legit big man..that is why most of the ball is rebounded by randolph
off-course Chinese players got 6'10 6'11 7'0 etc etc; but i think they rely on randolph too much on rebounding....
example marbury or t-mac is doing great in china...my point is... bring them back to nba, is the way they played in china still the same...returning from nba? with some young skilled guys rookies etc;?
if this is another varnando milicic scenario we should have traded someone for a big man
but wait...heat signed birdman in 10 days...don't get playing time...but now that he is signed for the rest of the year he can play up to 15minutes per game which is really good... i hope doc rivers does that too...
but my another point is birdman is still a good player
while white and randolph is uhm not sure for me...
we should have sign henry sims or jerome jordan or hamed haddadi or someone from europe... like jason collins who can get 5 or 4 or 10 minutes below
but as I've said maybe white and randolph can get maybe 10 minutes below too
AGREE?
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The rotation will most likely stay the same right now with these guys getting limited time in games. Green and Pierce combo playing small ball, or this combo playing big will dictate how much time these guys will get. They were brought in for depth and will be given ample time to learn the system. Don't look at the 10 day contracts as this gives Ainge time to see if someone gets bought out that can help this team more.
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The rotation will most likely stay the same right now with these guys getting limited time in games. Green and Pierce combo playing small ball, or this combo playing big will dictate how much time these guys will get. They were brought in for depth and will be given ample time to learn the system. Don't look at the 10 day contracts as this gives Ainge time to see if someone gets bought out that can help this team more.
i though bought out players is over? march 1?
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i think we should have signed a 7'0 center not randolph... china is different from NBA...see randolph stats in NBA
because most Chinese players have no legit big man..that is why most of the ball is rebounded by randolph
off-course Chinese players got 6'10 6'11 7'0 etc etc; but i think they rely on randolph too much on rebounding....
example marbury or t-mac is doing great in china...my point is... bring them back to nba, is the way they played in china still the same...returning from nba? with some young skilled guys rookies etc;?
if this is another varnando milicic scenario we should have traded someone for a big man
but wait...heat signed birdman in 10 days...don't get playing time...but now that he is signed for the rest of the year he can play up to 15minutes per game which is really good... i hope doc rivers does that too...
but my another point is birdman is still a good player
while white and randolph is uhm not sure for me...
we should have sign henry sims or jerome jordan or hamed haddadi or someone from europe... like jason collins who can get 5 or 4 or 10 minutes below
but as I've said maybe white and randolph can get maybe 10 minutes below too
AGREE?
I think if Birdman was still good he wouldn't have been looking for a team in February. People disagree with this but I don't think he was ever that good, I think he's always been extremely undisciplined. It's great that he blocks a lot of shots, not so great when he's chasing the ball around the court trying to get those blocks.
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Sorry krook, meant for guys over seas.
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How Can Kevin Garnett Rest
If White And Radolph Are Not Playing?
Given A 10 Day Contract, How Can We Proved That Randolph And White Are Suited In Celtics System, Given Only 10 Days
How? While Doc Rivers Don't Used Them......
Why Sign Them If You Don't Used Them?
How Can KG And Pierce Be Fresh And Not Toast And Out Of Gas Come Playoffs?
Even T-Will As Back-Up Of Pierce
Whats Wrong With Doc Rivers Coaching Style
Bradley/Crawford
Lee/Terry
Pierce/Williams
Green/White/Bass
Garnett/Wilcox/Randolph
Bass And Wilcox Out Of Rotation For A While
or
PP and KG Out For Rotation (Rest)
Lets See What White And Randolph Can Do
AGREE?
I Don't Want To See A Varnando And Milicic Scenario Here
Stop freaking out, we got a couple days of rest.
We had to play our main guys last game. And they did a heck of a job.
The new guys will get their playing time.
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How Can Kevin Garnett Rest
If White And Radolph Are Not Playing?
Given A 10 Day Contract, How Can We Proved That Randolph And White Are Suited In Celtics System, Given Only 10 Days
How? While Doc Rivers Don't Used Them......
Why Sign Them If You Don't Used Them?
How Can KG And Pierce Be Fresh And Not Toast And Out Of Gas Come Playoffs?
Even T-Will As Back-Up Of Pierce
Whats Wrong With Doc Rivers Coaching Style
Bradley/Crawford
Lee/Terry
Pierce/Williams
Green/White/Bass
Garnett/Wilcox/Randolph
Bass And Wilcox Out Of Rotation For A While
or
PP and KG Out For Rotation (Rest)
Lets See What White And Randolph Can Do
AGREE?
I Don't Want To See A Varnando And Milicic Scenario Here
Stop freaking out, we got a couple days of rest.
We had to play our main guys last game. And they did a heck of a job.
The new guys will get their playing time.
we are not freaking out... you know doc rivers... he loves our veterans...he is not greg popavich type
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If Randolph and Williams has seen the light while in China and are willing to put some work in they will get a chance. Don't like Doc making Pierce bring the ball up when you have T-Will on the bench; but that is Doc being Doc.
Doc needs to show discipline and not wear Pierce and KG out and not play Bass just because when Wilcox is starting to come on.
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I will go the other way and say if randolph was getting any sort of significant playing time, I will be disappointed in doc.
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How Can Kevin Garnett Rest
If White And Radolph Are Not Playing?
Given A 10 Day Contract, How Can We Proved That Randolph And White Are Suited In Celtics System, Given Only 10 Days
How? While Doc Rivers Don't Used Them......
Why Sign Them If You Don't Used Them?
How Can KG And Pierce Be Fresh And Not Toast And Out Of Gas Come Playoffs?
Even T-Will As Back-Up Of Pierce
Whats Wrong With Doc Rivers Coaching Style
Bradley/Crawford
Lee/Terry
Pierce/Williams
Green/White/Bass
Garnett/Wilcox/Randolph
Bass And Wilcox Out Of Rotation For A While
or
PP and KG Out For Rotation (Rest)
Lets See What White And Randolph Can Do
AGREE?
I Don't Want To See A Varnando And Milicic Scenario Here
Stop freaking out, we got a couple days of rest.
We had to play our main guys last game. And they did a heck of a job.
The new guys will get their playing time.
we are not freaking out... you know doc rivers... he loves our veterans...he is not greg popavich type
Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett are playing roughly the same amount of minutes per game for the season.
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i think we should have signed a 7'0 center not randolph... china is different from NBA...see randolph stats in NBA
because most Chinese players have no legit big man..that is why most of the ball is rebounded by randolph
off-course Chinese players got 6'10 6'11 7'0 etc etc; but i think they rely on randolph too much on rebounding....
example marbury or t-mac is doing great in china...my point is... bring them back to nba, is the way they played in china still the same...returning from nba? with some young skilled guys rookies etc;?
if this is another varnando milicic scenario we should have traded someone for a big man
but wait...heat signed birdman in 10 days...don't get playing time...but now that he is signed for the rest of the year he can play up to 15minutes per game which is really good... i hope doc rivers does that too...
but my another point is birdman is still a good player
while white and randolph is uhm not sure for me...
we should have sign henry sims or jerome jordan or hamed haddadi or someone from europe... like jason collins who can get 5 or 4 or 10 minutes below
but as I've said maybe white and randolph can get maybe 10 minutes below too
AGREE?
I'm not following your logic. First you want Randolph and White to get PT ahead of both Wilcox & Bass, but now you're saying we should've signed someone else. Every team has a rotation. No team is going to play all 12 players. What you're asking for, to be kind, is simply not practical.
Birdman played limited minutes while under his 10 day contract because he was getting in shape and becoming familiar with the system. He is not getting more playing time now because he is signed for the rest of the year.
What is this Varnado situation you speak of? You're making it sound like we desperately wanted him back, but he was upset at his lack of playing time. If we had wanted him back we simply would've extended another 10 day contract.
I don't mean this to sound condescending, but have you been watching basketball for a short period of time? If so, I could understand this post and many of the others you've made. If our players receive PT is because our coaching staff feels it is warranted based on what they see in practice. I highly doubt Varnado was dominating our practices, but Doc refused to play him because he is loyal to our vets.
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i think we should have signed a 7'0 center not randolph... china is different from NBA...see randolph stats in NBA
because most Chinese players have no legit big man..that is why most of the ball is rebounded by randolph
off-course Chinese players got 6'10 6'11 7'0 etc etc; but i think they rely on randolph too much on rebounding....
example marbury or t-mac is doing great in china...my point is... bring them back to nba, is the way they played in china still the same...returning from nba? with some young skilled guys rookies etc;?
if this is another varnando milicic scenario we should have traded someone for a big man
but wait...heat signed birdman in 10 days...don't get playing time...but now that he is signed for the rest of the year he can play up to 15minutes per game which is really good... i hope doc rivers does that too...
but my another point is birdman is still a good player
while white and randolph is uhm not sure for me...
we should have sign henry sims or jerome jordan or hamed haddadi or someone from europe... like jason collins who can get 5 or 4 or 10 minutes below
but as I've said maybe white and randolph can get maybe 10 minutes below too
AGREE?
Krook, 1 question
Where are you from?
Just curious.
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i think we should have signed a 7'0 center not randolph... china is different from NBA...see randolph stats in NBA
because most Chinese players have no legit big man..that is why most of the ball is rebounded by randolph
off-course Chinese players got 6'10 6'11 7'0 etc etc; but i think they rely on randolph too much on rebounding....
example marbury or t-mac is doing great in china...my point is... bring them back to nba, is the way they played in china still the same...returning from nba? with some young skilled guys rookies etc;?
if this is another varnando milicic scenario we should have traded someone for a big man
but wait...heat signed birdman in 10 days...don't get playing time...but now that he is signed for the rest of the year he can play up to 15minutes per game which is really good... i hope doc rivers does that too...
but my another point is birdman is still a good player
while white and randolph is uhm not sure for me...
we should have sign henry sims or jerome jordan or hamed haddadi or someone from europe... like jason collins who can get 5 or 4 or 10 minutes below
but as I've said maybe white and randolph can get maybe 10 minutes below too
AGREE?
Krook, 1 question
Where are you from?
Just curious.
I'm going to have to go with Kazakhstan ;)
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Why is it that Greg Pop can utilize all his young/rookie/new players within his game plans, and Doc can't???? Unless it's just cuz Pop is the best coach in the league and Doc, ahh........isn't!!!!!!
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Why is it that Greg Pop can utilize all his young/rookie/new players within his game plans, and Doc can't???? Unless it's just cuz Pop is the best coach in the league and Doc, ahh........isn't!!!!!!
yeah i think Pop is the best coach... in terms of playmaking/adjustment/rotation... Doc is what they called player's coach... he listen to players and i like how he talk to the refs and motivate his players
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Why is it that Greg Pop can utilize all his young/rookie/new players within his game plans, and Doc can't???? Unless it's just cuz Pop is the best coach in the league and Doc, ahh........isn't!!!!!!
There's a substantial talent difference there. I'm pretty sure that if we acquired Tiago Splitter, Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard, Doc would find minutes for them.
Heck, Dejuan Blair has been logging DNP-CDs all year for SA, and Blair would immediately be the second best big man on the Celtics. SA would have bought him out, but they were too worried he would go and be an immediate contributor somewhere else. That tells you something about their depth.
Randolph and Williams are not even legitimate NBA-level players, and Jordan Crawford was basically dumped by a franchise known for its immature players because he was the most immature of the bunch. He has already taken more bad shots in four games than every other player on the C's has taken all year.
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how can we become a contender, if garnett and pierce that we are relying too are toast come playoffs?
i believe this team can win
the best option is let the other guys play for a while
and let those veteran play for a lesser minutes
that is my one point here
should we wait for someone to get injured before we see randolph and white play?
what did doc rivers said, a big man who can rebounds and floor space...
player can learn the system through practice? not sure
or we should try them on the court....
varnando has respect to veterans... lets just say yes
but how about collins playing over milicic?
as for the birdman he can give you 4 rebounds and lets say 10 points a game which isn't that bad at all
as i said if randolph and white can get 10 minutes both in a game, maybe that is ok to reduce KG minutes... off course there is bass wilcox...up to doc....
but the rotation is really so bad....
if they saw a progress on randolph and white... then used them... i know they will DNP or 5 minutes a game....
but if not? danny should have gotten gortat or hickson tried and 100% sure helpful... no need for system instruction... your role is rebounds and score... yes they can defend too...
but past is past... all we got to do is rely on KG on #5 and hope no injuries occurred....
GO RANDOLPH GO WHITE SAVE THIS TEAM ^_^
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how can we become a contender, if garnett and pierce that we are relying too are toast come playoffs?
i believe this team can win
the best option is let the other guys play for a while
and let those veteran play for a lesser minutes
that is my one point here
should we wait for someone to get injured before we see randolph and white play?
what did doc rivers said, a big man who can rebounds and floor space...
player can learn the system through practice? not sure
or we should try them on the court....
varnando has respect to veterans... lets just say yes
but how about collins playing over milicic?
as for the birdman he can give you 4 rebounds and lets say 10 points a game which isn't that bad at all
as i said if randolph and white can get 10 minutes both in a game, maybe that is ok to reduce KG minutes... off course there is bass wilcox...up to doc....
but the rotation is really so bad....
if they saw a progress on randolph and white... then used them... i know they will DNP or 5 minutes a game....
but if not? danny should have gotten gortat or hickson tried and 100% sure helpful... no need for system instruction... your role is rebounds and score... yes they can defend too...
but past is past... all we got to do is rely on KG on #5 and hope no injuries occurred....
GO RANDOLPH GO WHITE SAVE THIS TEAM ^_^
Lol
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Why is it that Greg Pop can utilize all his young/rookie/new players within his game plans, and Doc can't???? Unless it's just cuz Pop is the best coach in the league and Doc, ahh........isn't!!!!!!
There's a substantial talent difference there. I'm pretty sure that if we acquired Tiago Splitter, Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard, Doc would find minutes for them.
Heck, Dejuan Blair has been logging DNP-CDs all year for SA, and Blair would immediately be the second best big man on the Celtics. SA would have bought him out, but they were too worried he would go and be an immediate contributor somewhere else. That tells you something about their depth.
Randolph and Williams are not even legitimate NBA-level players, and Jordan Crawford was basically dumped by a franchise known for its immature players because he was the most immature of the bunch. He has already taken more bad shots in four games than every other player on the C's has taken all year.
Well, yeah, if you pick 3 Spurs starters, I guess you have a great argument! I was refering to their end of bench guys, like CJoseph, NDiColo, ABaynes, and to a lesser extent DBlair and PMills. Going back over the past 7/8 games, no matter how close, win or lose, Pop played AT LEAST 12 GUYS, generally about 4/5 to 9/10 minutes every game! No, not huge minutes, but enough to keep all feeling like they're contributing members of the TEAM!
And that's why Pop can sit their top 4 players in ONE GAME, and still have a competitive team on the floor!
Let guys rot on the bench, game after game, and you get unsure, wild, garbage time players when you DO need them!
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Why is it that Greg Pop can utilize all his young/rookie/new players within his game plans, and Doc can't???? Unless it's just cuz Pop is the best coach in the league and Doc, ahh........isn't!!!!!!
There's a substantial talent difference there. I'm pretty sure that if we acquired Tiago Splitter, Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard, Doc would find minutes for them.
Heck, Dejuan Blair has been logging DNP-CDs all year for SA, and Blair would immediately be the second best big man on the Celtics. SA would have bought him out, but they were too worried he would go and be an immediate contributor somewhere else. That tells you something about their depth.
Randolph and Williams are not even legitimate NBA-level players, and Jordan Crawford was basically dumped by a franchise known for its immature players because he was the most immature of the bunch. He has already taken more bad shots in four games than every other player on the C's has taken all year.
Well, yeah, if you pick 3 Spurs starters, I guess you have a great argument! I was refering to their end of bench guys, like CJoseph, NDiColo, ABaynes, and to a lesser extent DBlair and PMills. Going back over the past 7/8 games, no matter how close, win or lose, Pop played AT LEAST 12 GUYS, generally about 4/5 to 9/10 minutes every game! No, not huge minutes, but enough to keep all feeling like they're contributing members of the TEAM!
And that's why Pop can sit their top 4 players in ONE GAME, and still have a competitive team on the floor!
Let guys rot on the bench, game after game, and you get unsure, wild, garbage time players when you DO need them!
You were talking about "young/rookie/new" players - what does the starter/bench distinction have to do with it? I think you just helped to make my point - those guys are that good.
We already talked about Blair. You want to discuss Mills? OK - he is an Olympian who led the world in scoring during the 2012 Olympics. The only reason he only plays 10 minutes per game is because he's playing behind an MVP candidate.
If you want to pick Baynes - he has played more than 5 minutes 3 times since February 1st, out of 12 games. You are flat wrong about him.
Regarding Joseph, he has played in exactly ONE GAME out of the last 13. You are just so wrong about him it's silly.
Regarding DeColo, he has been playing. Of course, many of his minutes have come because Tony Parker has been struggling with injuries...but why let that little fact enter the discussion?
And as far as playing lots of guys, yes the Spurs have been doing that recently. Of course, in the last 7-8 games they have played two overtime games and had two 25-point blowouts. Most teams play their bench more in those situations. In the three games that were non-OT, non-blowout, they played "AT LEAST 12 GUYS" only once.
Meanwhile in the last 7 games Doc has played every available roster player not named Fab Melo, in every game, with the exception of Garnett (healthy scratch, which is just what Pop does), Randolph/White (in their first game on an NBA roster this year) and Twill (one game DNP). Everyone else has played in every game. Just in terms of the math, it is pretty hard to play "AT LEAST 12 GUYS" when you have only 10 players who are even available to play.
Please, get your facts straight.
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Why is it that Greg Pop can utilize all his young/rookie/new players within his game plans, and Doc can't???? Unless it's just cuz Pop is the best coach in the league and Doc, ahh........isn't!!!!!!
There's a substantial talent difference there. I'm pretty sure that if we acquired Tiago Splitter, Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard, Doc would find minutes for them.
Heck, Dejuan Blair has been logging DNP-CDs all year for SA, and Blair would immediately be the second best big man on the Celtics. SA would have bought him out, but they were too worried he would go and be an immediate contributor somewhere else. That tells you something about their depth.
Randolph and Williams are not even legitimate NBA-level players, and Jordan Crawford was basically dumped by a franchise known for its immature players because he was the most immature of the bunch. He has already taken more bad shots in four games than every other player on the C's has taken all year.
Well, yeah, if you pick 3 Spurs starters, I guess you have a great argument! I was refering to their end of bench guys, like CJoseph, NDiColo, ABaynes, and to a lesser extent DBlair and PMills. Going back over the past 7/8 games, no matter how close, win or lose, Pop played AT LEAST 12 GUYS, generally about 4/5 to 9/10 minutes every game! No, not huge minutes, but enough to keep all feeling like they're contributing members of the TEAM!
And that's why Pop can sit their top 4 players in ONE GAME, and still have a competitive team on the floor!
Let guys rot on the bench, game after game, and you get unsure, wild, garbage time players when you DO need them!
You were talking about "young/rookie/new" players - what does the starter/bench distinction have to do with it? I think you just helped to make my point - those guys are that good.
We already talked about Blair. You want to discuss Mills? OK - he is an Olympian who led the world in scoring during the 2012 Olympics. The only reason he only plays 10 minutes per game is because he's playing behind an MVP candidate.
If you want to pick Baynes - he has played more than 5 minutes 3 times since February 1st, out of 12 games. You are flat wrong about him.
Regarding Joseph, he has played in exactly ONE GAME out of the last 13. You are just so wrong about him it's silly.
Regarding DiColo, he has been playing. Of course, many of his minutes have come because Tony Parker has been struggling with injuries...but why let that little fact enter the discussion?
And as far as playing lots of guys, yes the Spurs have been doing that recently. Of course, in the last 7-8 games they have played two overtime games and had two 25-point blowouts. Most teams play their bench more in those situations. In the three games that were non-OT, non-blowout, they played "AT LEAST 12 GUYS" only once.
Meanwhile in the last 7 games Doc has played every available roster player not named Fab Melo, in every game, with the exception of Garnett (healthy scratch, which is just what Pop does), Randolph/White (in their first game on an NBA roster this year) and Twill (one game DNP). Everyone else has played in every game. Just in terms of the math, it is pretty hard to play "AT LEAST 12 GUYS" when you have only 10 players who are even available to play.
Please, get your facts straight.
The C's roster was stacked completely with veterans by DA this season. So until recently we've only had AB,Sully,and Melo as players who fit into the cat I was refering to. Sully is out of the picture and AB plays tons of minutes. I'm sure you knew quite well I was refering to our newly added/acquired guys.
I'm not even going to quibble about a minute or two minutes playing time here or there and the Spurs have player 12 NOT COUNTING INJURED PLAYERS OR INACTIVE PLAYERS due to having too many available players!
My point was, that Pop coaching the C's would have had all these new Celtics getting in the action right off the bat, even if only 4/5 minutes, just to keep their minds and worth to the team perpetuated. Doc just doesn't deal with that well, and never has! He's a players coach, as long as you're a veteran--no matter how badly you play. It's like the new guys have to go thru a HAZING type of thing before he ALLOWS them to be a part of the team!
We'll see, though, in upcoming games. If he keeps riding the same 8/9 guys til the playoffs if won't matter anyway, cause our aging guys will be so worn out, it;ll be 4 and out!
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The team is what it is. Don't expect any of these 3 players to get significant PT b/c the team is fighting for it's playoff position.
These three players are on Spring tryouts. Williams already received his call-up for the fall.
Mk
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Why is it that Greg Pop can utilize all his young/rookie/new players within his game plans, and Doc can't???? Unless it's just cuz Pop is the best coach in the league and Doc, ahh........isn't!!!!!!
There's a substantial talent difference there. I'm pretty sure that if we acquired Tiago Splitter, Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard, Doc would find minutes for them.
Heck, Dejuan Blair has been logging DNP-CDs all year for SA, and Blair would immediately be the second best big man on the Celtics. SA would have bought him out, but they were too worried he would go and be an immediate contributor somewhere else. That tells you something about their depth.
Randolph and Williams are not even legitimate NBA-level players, and Jordan Crawford was basically dumped by a franchise known for its immature players because he was the most immature of the bunch. He has already taken more bad shots in four games than every other player on the C's has taken all year.
Well, yeah, if you pick 3 Spurs starters, I guess you have a great argument! I was refering to their end of bench guys, like CJoseph, NDiColo, ABaynes, and to a lesser extent DBlair and PMills. Going back over the past 7/8 games, no matter how close, win or lose, Pop played AT LEAST 12 GUYS, generally about 4/5 to 9/10 minutes every game! No, not huge minutes, but enough to keep all feeling like they're contributing members of the TEAM!
And that's why Pop can sit their top 4 players in ONE GAME, and still have a competitive team on the floor!
Let guys rot on the bench, game after game, and you get unsure, wild, garbage time players when you DO need them!
You were talking about "young/rookie/new" players - what does the starter/bench distinction have to do with it? I think you just helped to make my point - those guys are that good.
We already talked about Blair. You want to discuss Mills? OK - he is an Olympian who led the world in scoring during the 2012 Olympics. The only reason he only plays 10 minutes per game is because he's playing behind an MVP candidate.
If you want to pick Baynes - he has played more than 5 minutes 3 times since February 1st, out of 12 games. You are flat wrong about him.
Regarding Joseph, he has played in exactly ONE GAME out of the last 13. You are just so wrong about him it's silly.
Regarding DiColo, he has been playing. Of course, many of his minutes have come because Tony Parker has been struggling with injuries...but why let that little fact enter the discussion?
And as far as playing lots of guys, yes the Spurs have been doing that recently. Of course, in the last 7-8 games they have played two overtime games and had two 25-point blowouts. Most teams play their bench more in those situations. In the three games that were non-OT, non-blowout, they played "AT LEAST 12 GUYS" only once.
Meanwhile in the last 7 games Doc has played every available roster player not named Fab Melo, in every game, with the exception of Garnett (healthy scratch, which is just what Pop does), Randolph/White (in their first game on an NBA roster this year) and Twill (one game DNP). Everyone else has played in every game. Just in terms of the math, it is pretty hard to play "AT LEAST 12 GUYS" when you have only 10 players who are even available to play.
Please, get your facts straight.
The C's roster was stacked completely with veterans by DA this season. So until recently we've only had AB,Sully,and Melo as players who fit into the cat I was refering to. Sully is out of the picture and AB plays tons of minutes. I'm sure you knew quite well I was refering to our newly added/acquired guys.
OK, until Sully got hurt, two out of the three players you are "referring to" were STARTING and playing 50-60 minutes per game combined. Again, you are completely out of touch with reality by saying Doc does not give players like that minutes
I'm not even going to quibble about a minute or two minutes playing time here or there and the Spurs have player 12 NOT COUNTING INJURED PLAYERS OR INACTIVE PLAYERS due to having too many available players!
If you can't tell the difference between "a minute here or there" and saying someone has played eight games in a row when they've played one out of the last twelve, you are again completely out of touch with reality.
My point was, that Pop coaching the C's would have had all these new Celtics getting in the action right off the bat, even if only 4/5 minutes, just to keep their minds and worth to the team perpetuated. Doc just doesn't deal with that well, and never has!
Last week we added two players, Crawford and Williams. For the 5 games Williams has been on the roster he is averaging 12 minutes per game. For the 4 games Crawford has been on the roster he is averaging 13 minutes per game.
Again - in what reality are these guys not playing "if only 4/5 minutes"? They are playing far more than that....
If you are talking about Randolph and White - they have been on the roster for ONE GAME. One. Even if you include their DNPs, our 4 new players are still averaging more than 10 minutes per contest - and we have added four, count them, FOUR, new roster players since the middle of February. Please point out to me a similar situation Popovich has faced, where he played his new players more minutes.
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hope to see minutes on randolph and white
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I don't expect to see much, if any, of these guys at all in the near future and I'm perfectly happy with that. Any game that Doc isn't resting KG or PP is a game we are trying to win and with Doc as our coach that means tighter rotations and little to no playing time for fringe bench players.
Right now its all about seeding and health. There is still a good chance that the Celtics can make a move up and avoid first round match ups with the Heat or the Pacers and thats what we should be focusing on. As the season comes to a close the seedings are going to take shape and we will know where we stand. Thats when Doc can run these guys out there and see if they might have anything to contribute. Until then, let them ride the pine, learn the plays and pick up minutes in any game we sit our stars or in garbage time.
It doesn't make sense for us to be forcing these guys onto the court for any amount of minutes when we are still competing for a better first round playoff match up. These guys are scrap heap China players, they're just extra bodies. Any extra contribution they can provide is just a bonus. To actually expect them to provide any significant boost is unrealistic (although Crawford and Twill both seem to have the talent to make a difference, I just don't know if they can fix their major issues in time to put their talent to good use).
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I don't expect to see much, if any, of these guys at all in the near future and I'm perfectly happy with that. Any game that Doc isn't resting KG or PP is a game we are trying to win and with Doc as our coach that means tighter rotations and little to no playing time for fringe bench players.
Right now its all about seeding and health. There is still a good chance that the Celtics can make a move up and avoid first round match ups with the Heat or the Pacers and thats what we should be focusing on. As the season comes to a close the seedings are going to take shape and we will know where we stand. Thats when Doc can run these guys out there and see if they might have anything to contribute. Until then, let them ride the pine, learn the plays and pick up minutes in any game we sit our stars or in garbage time.
It doesn't make sense for us to be forcing these guys onto the court for any amount of minutes when we are still competing for a better first round playoff match up. These guys are scrap heap China players, they're just extra bodies. Any extra contribution they can provide is just a bonus. To actually expect them to provide any significant boost is unrealistic (although Crawford and Twill both seem to have the talent to make a difference, I just don't know if they can fix their major issues in time to put their talent to good use).
randolph says what he did in china he wants to do in celtics, but i don't see it unless wilcox gets injured
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You would think these guys would get at least a few min tonight against the lowly 76rs.
So unless the celtics have a 20 pt lead with less than 2 mins to go, or if there are injuries to one or both bass and wilcox, Randolph and White won't see a sec on the court. Lucky for them due to needing a full roster they will prob get signed for the rest of the year like T Williams.
I see now why T Ohlbretch said no thank you.
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So unless the celtics have a 20 pt lead with less than 2 mins to go, or if there are injuries to one or both bass and wilcox, Randolph and White won't see a sec on the court.
Garnett played 28:04, Bass played 24:45 and Wilcox played 16:54. Garnett and Bass both played a couple of minutes less than their season averages, so it's not like Doc is running his best bigs into the ground to avoid playing the new guys.
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Don't know where else to post this...
From ESPN's Rapid Reaction's comment board
I really liked what I saw from the new guys tonight. DJ White was quick with the high 5's and Shavlik appeared to clap in rhythm. Solid night!
;D
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Im struggling to see what the obsession is with complaining about no minutes being given to garbage players.
They don't play because they're not as good at basketball as our current guys and they don't know our system....pretty simple.
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Im struggling to see what the obsession is with complaining about no minutes being given to garbage players.
They don't play because they're not as good at basketball as our current guys and they don't know our system....pretty simple.
New toys are fun to play with I guess? (even if you know they're kinda lame, there is the novelty)
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the problem is you never know when your gonna need these guys for a few minutes.. its better to get them acclimated now then throw them in there when it could really hurt you. They also have decent size and i think we'd all like to see if they can help.
if we dont see them on nights against philly then yeah i doubt we are gonna see much of them, if at all
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I think Doc Rivers takes the reasonable stance of not trying to work on too many projects at the same time. Since Crawford and Williams are the ones signed beyond this season (and also the more talented), it makes sense that Doc work on them first and try to get them to play his way and integrate them into the rotation. Once he's figured out how much he wants to play with those toys, he can move onto the next two.
Until Doc is to that point, then White and Randolph might be used situationally, perhaps only against teams where he thinks smallball is never a viable option.
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meanwhile in Houston Tim Ohlbrecht is smiling. ;D
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meanwhile in Houston Tim Ohlbrecht is smiling. ;D
yah, he even gets a playing time
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meanwhile in Houston Tim Ohlbrecht is smiling. ;D
yah, he even gets a playing time
Can't have the new guys fumble away the lead on the first night of a back to back.
Usually I'm critical of Doc but I think he's been doing a good job, especially after Rondo went down.
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meanwhile in Houston Tim Ohlbrecht is smiling. ;D
yah, he even gets a playing time
Can't have the new guys fumble away the lead on the first night of a back to back.
Usually I'm critical of Doc but I think he's been doing a good job, especially after Rondo went down.
i get that doc is a don't fix if it's not broke guy, but hey you can't really tell if the new (big) guy sucks until you try. but i know that that is not doc's strong suit so i understand. maybe we can see them play against the bobcats. :D
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but hey you can't really tell if the new (big) guy sucks until you try.
Not true. Pretty sure some discerning folks could tell that Fab Melo wasn't ready before he was tried in a NBA game.
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but hey you can't really tell if the new (big) guy sucks until you try.
Not true. Pretty sure some discerning folks could tell that Fab Melo wasn't ready before he was tried in a NBA game.
not true?
so you mean randolph and white are not nba ready? like fab melo?
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but hey you can't really tell if the new (big) guy sucks until you try.
Not true. Pretty sure some discerning folks could tell that Fab Melo wasn't ready before he was tried in a NBA game.
not true?
so you mean randolph and white are not nba ready? like fab melo?
I'm saying it is possible to tell if they are without sticking them in a game. There are legitimate reasons for not playing White/Randolph immediately, even if they don't suck. I disagree with the notion some have that you should just throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks because you are unhappy with the current state of the Celtics big man rotation.
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but hey you can't really tell if the new (big) guy sucks until you try.
Not true. Pretty sure some discerning folks could tell that Fab Melo wasn't ready before he was tried in a NBA game.
not true?
so you mean randolph and white are not nba ready? like fab melo?
I'm saying it is possible to tell if they are without sticking them in a game. There are legitimate reasons for not playing White/Randolph immediately, even if they don't suck. I disagree with the notion some have that you should just throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks because you are unhappy with the current state of the Celtics big man rotation.
here is one point here
randolph and white haven't played yet given a 10 days contract, after 10days? what now? another 10 days? and just sit there and do nothing? then after that released? then a new guy comes and sit on the bench again?
if you want this guys to learn the system or see what they can do used them now....
but if you don't used them released them... lets try 7'2 haddadi or someone
PLAYOFFS IS COMING TO TIME TO SIGN AND RELEASED PLAYERS
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but hey you can't really tell if the new (big) guy sucks until you try.
Not true. Pretty sure some discerning folks could tell that Fab Melo wasn't ready before he was tried in a NBA game.
not true?
so you mean randolph and white are not nba ready? like fab melo?
I'm saying it is possible to tell if they are without sticking them in a game. There are legitimate reasons for not playing White/Randolph immediately, even if they don't suck. I disagree with the notion some have that you should just throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks because you are unhappy with the current state of the Celtics big man rotation.
here is one point here
randolph and white haven't played yet given a 10 days contract, after 10days? what now? another 10 days? and just sit there and do nothing? then after that released? then a new guy comes and sit on the bench again?
if you want this guys to learn the system or see what they can do used them now....
but if you don't used them released them... lets try 7'2 haddadi or someone
PLAYOFFS IS COMING TO TIME TO SIGN AND RELEASED PLAYERS
perhaps they should just change the name to 10 day practice contract in boston. but knowing doc genius i'm not really surprise how things are turning out with our signings.
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Do doc and Danny ever communicate about this stuff or does Danny just throw money out the window while doc is clueless?
Danny: Why didn't you play the two new guys?
Doc: whatta u mean, I play bass and Terry all the time.
10 day contracts expire
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here is one point here
randolph and white haven't played yet given a 10 days contract, after 10days? what now? another 10 days? and just sit there and do nothing? then after that released? then a new guy comes and sit on the bench again?
if you want this guys to learn the system or see what they can do used them now....
but if you don't used them released them... lets try 7'2 haddadi or someone
PLAYOFFS IS COMING TO TIME TO SIGN AND RELEASED PLAYERS
You do the same thing you do with any other player. You make them earn playing time. You don't treat them as if they are entitled to playing time just because they are on the roster.
Of course, it may just be that Philly was an opposing team that was ideal for Doc to run with a smallball lineup and he will make less use of Green at the 4 against Indiana.
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Sign me up Celtics. I'll accept $50K on a 10-day contract and will sit on the bench. No attitude problems, will assist water boys with the gatorade distribution too. C'mon Doc give the two some PT!
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Sign me up Celtics. I'll accept $50K on a 10-day contract and will sit on the bench. No attitude problems, will assist water boys with the gatorade distribution too. C'mon Doc give the two some PT!
go start practicing
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Are people really still complaining after another win because we didn't play our China league cast offs?
We are 1 game back in the loss column from the 4th, 5th and 6th seeds. And only one game up on the 8th seed.
The most important thing right now is winning, putting some separation between us and the Bucks and trying to get ourselves into the best position for the playoffs. The Celtics have had a habit of throwing away leads and yet people are still clamoring that we throw in guys that had to go to China to get legit playing time. We're struggling to get it done with our stars, how is putting in White or Randolph going to make it any easier?
If at any point one of these guys is expected to play any kind of significant role for us, we might as well pack it in, because something has obviously gone horribly wrong. They will get their minutes, just in garbage time and in games we throw the white flag up by sitting KG or PP. Which is really the only time they should be on the court anyway.
I get that we only have 10 days for these guys, but why jeopardize a win by putting worse players on the floor? Just to see if they magically have become solid NBA talent? Thats foolish.
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Are people really still complaining after another win because we didn't play our China league cast offs?
We are 1 game back in the loss column from the 4th, 5th and 6th seeds. And only one game up on the 8th seed.
The most important thing right now is winning, putting some separation between us and the Bucks and trying to get ourselves into the best position for the playoffs. The Celtics have had a habit of throwing away leads and yet people are still clamoring that we throw in guys that had to go to China to get legit playing time. We're struggling to get it done with our stars, how is putting in White or Randolph going to make it any easier?
If at any point one of these guys is expected to play any kind of significant role for us, we might as well pack it in, because something has obviously gone horribly wrong. They will get their minutes, just in garbage time and in games we throw the white flag up by sitting KG or PP. Which is really the only time they should be on the court anyway.
I get that we only have 10 days for these guys, but why jeopardize a win by putting worse players on the floor? Just to see if they magically have become solid NBA talent? Thats foolish.
avoid the 8 and 7 seed to also avoid heat and pacers? but what happens to kg and pierce come playoffs, fresh players? or out of gas,
what if the 10days of randolph and white is over ha!
another 10 days just to sit there and watched?
sixers and celtics had a closed game... why? no clog inside no box out no rebounds and lots of turnovers
you know who is doing the job? green kg bradley those 3 guys,
bro at least give this 2 guys 10 minutes a game and see what they can do...
if i'm danny ainge i should have just released them, i should just have traded for a big man...
did you see last year? steiemsma and hollins
game 6... no one stop lebron inside... no rebounds
you think green can do it all... or bass is our savior?
why don't we try those 2, they average double double in china bro...randolph stated he wants to do it here in celtics, but i don't see it happening unless 1 big man gets injured
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and lastly
if milicic gets a good playing time,, will he ever ask for released even his mom is sick?
collins over milicic?
barbosa wants out on the team, he accepted low salary and don't get playing time? until rondo gets injured?
and why did tim from d-league declined 10 days and went to houston, did you see? doc is the problem here
if you take out kg and pierce and terry, put them againt's the heat, without those veterans can they beat them? i think they can, doc rivers is lacking of confidence here,
i was chanting for birdman before, but everyone disagree did you see him now in heat? while we play collins a lot, we got milicic but did nothing on court,
if i'm tim he did the right thing, i want to play not just sit and do nothing and watched
the team is loosing barbosa and milicic was thinking man if we are playing we should have contributed,
in this case this is a failed signing, the plan was tim he declined, admunson? went to the bulls, failed failed failed
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Are people really still complaining after another win because we didn't play our China league cast offs?
We are 1 game back in the loss column from the 4th, 5th and 6th seeds. And only one game up on the 8th seed.
The most important thing right now is winning, putting some separation between us and the Bucks and trying to get ourselves into the best position for the playoffs. The Celtics have had a habit of throwing away leads and yet people are still clamoring that we throw in guys that had to go to China to get legit playing time. We're struggling to get it done with our stars, how is putting in White or Randolph going to make it any easier?
If at any point one of these guys is expected to play any kind of significant role for us, we might as well pack it in, because something has obviously gone horribly wrong. They will get their minutes, just in garbage time and in games we throw the white flag up by sitting KG or PP. Which is really the only time they should be on the court anyway.
I get that we only have 10 days for these guys, but why jeopardize a win by putting worse players on the floor? Just to see if they magically have become solid NBA talent? Thats foolish.
avoid the 8 and 7 seed to also avoid heat and pacers? but what happens to kg and pierce come playoffs, fresh players? or out of gas,
what if the 10days of randolph and white is over ha!
another 10 days just to sit there and watched?
sixers and celtics had a closed game... why? no clog inside no box out no rebounds and lots of turnovers
you know who is doing the job? green kg bradley those 3 guys,
bro at least give this 2 guys 10 minutes a game and see what they can do...
if i'm danny ainge i should have just released them, i should just have traded for a big man...
did you see last year? steiemsma and hollins
game 6... no one stop lebron inside... no rebounds
you think green can do it all... or bass is our savior?
why don't we try those 2, they average double double in china bro...randolph stated he wants to do it here in celtics, but i don't see it happening unless 1 big man gets injured
Firstly KG and PP were out there for less minutes than their season average, so its not like Doc is running them into the ground. If Doc is going to play them he should play them as normal, dont knock 10 mins of their court time and replace them with such sub par talent as White and Randolph. If he wants to give them a rest then he should sit them for the entire game and then he can try out the new guys.
Secondly if you are honestly trying to tell me that if Doc had played Randolph and White for 10 mins that we would have won last night's game easier, I just don't buy it. We played our best players and won, playing worse players for any amount of time isn't going to make us win by more. It just doesn't add up. Why risk losing a relatively close game by throwing out unproven players? It doesn't make sense.
I'm sure Randolph wants to do what he did in China here, good luck to him. The only problem is in the NBA the teams aren't limited to having two American players on the court at a time. He averaged a double double in China, Fab Melo is averaging 11 and 7 in the D league and look at how overmatched he is.
I'm not saying these guys can't help but after being on the team for 2 DNP games (wins I might add) its ridiculous to be calling for them to be getting 10 mins, 5 mins, any mins.
And I'm tired of hearing about Darko, who never lived up to his billing anyway. Yeah he didn't get any minutes, but would we be talking about this if Sully hadn't gone down with an injured back?
And theTim Ohlbrecht argument has no weight to it either. He passed on our 10 day contract offer because Houston was talking to him and then signed him for the rest of the season. I would have passed on the Celtics 10 day offer too if I had the rockets offering me a contract for the rest of the season.
Just because we aren't seeing them on the court in games doesn't mean that Doc and Danny aren't getting a good sense of what these guys can do. Its been 2 games. If these guys want to walk after a 10 day contract because they didn't see the court enough, thats fine, theres plenty of similar talent in the D-league just take a look at the threads with countless names of guys people want to see us pick up. We won. Be happy. I'd rather win with Doc's short rotation than risk losing just to see if Randolph suddenly developed into real NBA talent. Be patient, these guys will eventually see some playing time, but wins now can really make a difference to our playoff picture and put pressure on other teams to keep pace.
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I'd like to see if they offer more than Bass. Probably not, but I'd like to see.
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I'd like to see if they offer more than Bass. Probably not, but I'd like to see.
yah
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what's up doc
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I dont even know these guys names, they dont need to be playing.
This is an important time for seeding, we already are keeping pierce and kgs minutes down anyway.
Maybe theyll get spot minutes against the bobcats or something. If they play well than surely they deserve to be in the rotation for the remainder of the year...
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Personally I felt we were "too deep" in the beginning of the year - meaning Doc was trying to get 11 or 12 guys minutes every night. I like an 8-9 man rotation. Right now:
starters: KG, Bass, Pierce, Lee, AB
main bench guys: Wilcox, Green, Crawford, Terry
That gives us the right number of guys. I wouldn't mind seeing Crawford and one of the bigs alternate minutes depending on the day to day match ups. But going beyond 9 guys doesn't work - we've seen this for the last 5 seasons.
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what's up doc
No bumping, please. Thanks.
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what's up doc
No bumping, please. Thanks.
Double bump = lock.