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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: lightspeed5 on February 27, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
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Greg Oden will not decide on his next NBA team until free agency in July, according to agent Mike Conley Sr.
The Cleveland Cavaliers, Miami Heat and Boston Celtics are in the mix for Oden, the former No. 1 overall pick.
Oden has not played since 2009 due to constant knee issues.
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Eh, I think the Greg Oden ship has sailed. I wouldn't mind him as a back-up center but I wouldn't get my hopes up that he's going to ever be a franchise player as projected in his college days.
Aka, I could take him or leave him.
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Greg Oden pushes back timetable for something related to basketball. "How unexpected!" said nobody.
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Why us? I see no reason he'd choose us. Miami/Cleveland seem very possible.
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Why us? I see no reason he'd choose us. Miami/Cleveland seem very possible.
why not? We desperately need a center, and he would play for Doc and with Rondo, and have KG next to him.
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Imagine he comes to the Celtics and lives up to his potential of being the best center prospect since Patrick Ewing, and Jeff Green becomes an all-star, and Rondo learns how to shoot, and they lead us to multiple championships. I can see it.
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Why us? I see no reason he'd choose us. Miami/Cleveland seem very possible.
why not? We desperately need a center, and he would play for Doc and with Rondo, and have KG next to him.
Haha, no offense but if I had a choice between either playing with Kyrie Iriving, playing with Lebron in sunny Miami or playing with an aging team in Boston where the winters are brutal, I think I would choose option A and/or B before option C.
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Why us? I see no reason he'd choose us. Miami/Cleveland seem very possible.
why not? We desperately need a center, and he would play for Doc and with Rondo, and have KG next to him.
Yes we are.. but a center who came from a season ending surgery and haven't played since 2010...
but if he's willing for a cheap price then why not..
Cavs had Verejao right now and some good young centers
He'll most likely go to Miami
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Well, in Miami, he'll never be more than a role player, even if he does find his college form. Here, if by some miracle, he got healthy, he could potentially have room to grow. And unlike Cleveland, he'd have a vet core to help him grow next year.
That said, I don't expect him to regain his old form. Still, I don't blame Danny for trying. If Oden pulls a comeback, the C's all of the sudden have a center to add to a future core of Rondo, Bradley, Green, and Sully. Not a bad place to start the rebuilding process.
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Why us? I see no reason he'd choose us. Miami/Cleveland seem very possible.
why not? We desperately need a center, and he would play for Doc and with Rondo, and have KG next to him.
Boston is not a big FA destination.
He doesn't care if we need a center, he cares about $ and stuff.
KG will retire soon.
So it's up to Doc/Rondo then... and I doubt Rondo can influence him much.
Good luck, Doc ;)
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Why us? I see no reason he'd choose us. Miami/Cleveland seem very possible.
why not? We desperately need a center, and he would play for Doc and with Rondo, and have KG next to him.
Boston is not a big FA destination.
He doesn't care if we need a center, he cares about $ and stuff.
KG will retire soon.
So it's up to Doc/Rondo then... and I doubt Rondo can influence him much.
Good luck, Doc ;)
Lol, and while we are on the subject, I really don't understand why so many think Doc Rivers is a reason why big name players would want to come here.
Don't get me wrong, respected coach and all that, but is there honestly a free agent who's prefered destination list would include "Hollywood, South Beach, the Big Apple, the Windy City OR Glen "Doc" Rivers?"
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He is a pipedream, my money is on the HEAT. Best chance for a ring that way.
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Why us? I see no reason he'd choose us. Miami/Cleveland seem very possible.
why not? We desperately need a center, and he would play for Doc and with Rondo, and have KG next to him.
Boston is not a big FA destination.
He doesn't care if we need a center, he cares about $ and stuff.
KG will retire soon.
So it's up to Doc/Rondo then... and I doubt Rondo can influence him much.
Good luck, Doc ;)
Lol, and while we are on the subject, I really don't understand why so many think Doc Rivers is a reason why big name players would want to come here.
Don't get me wrong, respected coach and all that, but is there honestly a free agent who's prefered destination list would include "Hollywood, South Beach, the Big Apple, the Windy City OR Glen "Doc" Rivers?"
Well, he did convince Courtney Lee.
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he will play about 10games, and then be out for the season injured
i'm not sure why everyone is getting so bent out of shape about where he goes..it will most likely go like Brandon Roy's comeback
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he will play about 10games, and then be out for the season injured
i'm not sure why everyone is getting so bent out of shape about where he goes..it will most likely go like Brandon Roy's comeback
If we went back in time and the Timberwolves were given a second chance, they still would've signed Roy.
And if not, another team would have. It's simply too big a potential reward, for every team to pass on.
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
(2) Boston Celtics. He comes here only if he get decent money, so the Cs spend the LLE on him and he is injured in pre-season, and never plays an actual game. Cs fans on celticsblog start numerous threads that Danny should be fired bc Danny wasted the LLE on an injury prone player, but see (3) below...
(3) Miami Heat. He joins the Heat for the vet min, misses 10 games, comes off the bench and averages 8pts, 8 boards, helps the Heat win another championship. Cs fans on celticsblog start numerous threads that Danny should be fired bc Danny should have signed him to the LLE, but see (2) above....
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
He's not from Cleveland though, or even Ohio, he's from Indiana. His only tie to Cleveland/Ohio is his one season at Ohio State. Or is there something I'm missing?
And others are saying he'll go to Cleveland for Irving, don't really buy that either. 1) Irving's not at that superstar status yet where he's the guy everyone else wants to play with. 2) Players didn't chose Cleveland when they had LeBron and were a contender, so why would they go there for Irving and a team in the lottery?
Not hating on Irving, but guys didn't sign in NO to play with Chris Paul, or Cleveland for LeBron, nor are they signing to play with Durant in OKC. So I just don't see the Irving thing (not that players wouldn't love to play with him though).
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
He's not from Cleveland though, or even Ohio, he's from Indiana. His only tie to Cleveland/Ohio is his one season at Ohio State. Or is there something I'm missing?
That's still a very strong tie for him. He loves Ohio.
Anyways, I think the Cavs are most likely because it is the least stress. I'm confused why the narrative by some is that Miami is the least stressful situation when it certainly would be the most, especially from the media.
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I don't want him anywhere near us unless he is on an opposing team.
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Why the Celtics? There are two guys on the roster who successfully came back from career threatening heart conditions. KG went through some serious injury issues here and came back stronger as did Rondo as well.
For a guy like Oden there is the chance to play with great players like Lebron or Kyrie but I would argue that his only concern is which club would best facilitate his rehabilitation and that would be the Celtics. There is a reason why Garnett says he wants to retire a Celtic listen to his comments about the organisation.
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10 more oden threads before he re-injures his knee somehow?
Maybe 15
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I don't want him anywhere near us unless he is on an opposing team.
Why?
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He is a pipedream, my money is on the HEAT. Best chance for a ring that way.
I disagree, I'm not sure if he's ring chasing at the moment and believe he'll go with whoever offers the most money.
His knees are practically unknown now, and if Conley Sr. is smart, he will convince Oden to go where the money is, see if the knees could hold up and worry about getting a ring later.
So the only logical choice, Cleveland.
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He is a pipedream, my money is on the HEAT. Best chance for a ring that way.
I disagree, I'm not sure if he's ring chasing at the moment and believe he'll go with whoever offers the most money.
His knees are practically unknown now, and if Conley Sr. is smart, he will convince Oden to go where the money is, see if the knees could hold up and worry about getting a ring later.
So the only logical choice, Cleveland.
My money is on the Heat too...
no need for him to move around a lot to exposed/pressure the knee... let James take over the game and grab some rebounds.... that's what Haslem been doing to the heat ;)
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He is a pipedream, my money is on the HEAT. Best chance for a ring that way.
I disagree, I'm not sure if he's ring chasing at the moment and believe he'll go with whoever offers the most money.
His knees are practically unknown now, and if Conley Sr. is smart, he will convince Oden to go where the money is, see if the knees could hold up and worry about getting a ring later.
So the only logical choice, Cleveland.
My money is on the Heat too...
no need for him to move around a lot to exposed/pressure the knee... let James take over the game and grab some rebounds.... that's what Haslem been doing to the heat ;)
I think Cleveland could offer more, therfore he'll sign with the Cavs. At this point Oden would want to make sure he can make as much money as he can, since he doesnt know how long his money making career would last. Cleveland can offer him the MLE if not more, doubt MIA or BOS would be able to do that.
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
He's not from Cleveland though, or even Ohio, he's from Indiana. His only tie to Cleveland/Ohio is his one season at Ohio State. Or is there something I'm missing?
That's still a very strong tie for him. He loves Ohio.
Does anyone really love Ohio?
I'm kidding.
Kind of.
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Wow what's to decide? Sun and sand or an Ice Age returning to Boston or Cleveland which has the least amount of sunlight in the US.
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Pass
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
He's not from Cleveland though, or even Ohio, he's from Indiana. His only tie to Cleveland/Ohio is his one season at Ohio State. Or is there something I'm missing?
That's still a very strong tie for him. He loves Ohio.
Does anyone really love Ohio?
I'm kidding.
Kind of.
hahah aw.
I used to live there. It's a very nice state with great people. Night and day compared to Mass. But yeah there isn't much to do.
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
He's not from Cleveland though, or even Ohio, he's from Indiana. His only tie to Cleveland/Ohio is his one season at Ohio State. Or is there something I'm missing?
That's still a very strong tie for him. He loves Ohio.
Does anyone really love Ohio?
I'm kidding.
Kind of.
hahah aw.
I used to live there. It's a very nice state with great people. Night and day compared to Mass. But yeah there isn't much to do.
Cedar point used to be pretty cool, so was the zoo in Cincinnati. And I used to love seeing the Reds play at Riverfront once or twice a year.
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
He's not from Cleveland though, or even Ohio, he's from Indiana. His only tie to Cleveland/Ohio is his one season at Ohio State. Or is there something I'm missing?
That's still a very strong tie for him. He loves Ohio.
Does anyone really love Ohio?
I'm kidding.
Kind of.
hahah aw.
I used to live there. It's a very nice state with great people. Night and day compared to Mass. But yeah there isn't much to do.
Cedar point used to be pretty cool, so was the zoo in Cincinnati. And I used to love seeing the Reds play at Riverfront once or twice a year.
Love Cedar Point, was fun as a kid. That and Indians games were all I needed (was there during the Omar Vizquel, Roberto Alomar, Manny, Lofton, Thome, etc days).
But I digress. Sorry to get OT just had to defend Ohio ;D
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
He's not from Cleveland though, or even Ohio, he's from Indiana. His only tie to Cleveland/Ohio is his one season at Ohio State. Or is there something I'm missing?
I believe he still lives in Ohio, although I could be wrong on that.
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
He's not from Cleveland though, or even Ohio, he's from Indiana. His only tie to Cleveland/Ohio is his one season at Ohio State. Or is there something I'm missing?
That's still a very strong tie for him. He loves Ohio.
Does anyone really love Ohio?
I'm kidding.
Kind of.
hahah aw.
I used to live there. It's a very nice state with great people. Night and day compared to Mass. But yeah there isn't much to do.
Cedar point used to be pretty cool, so was the zoo in Cincinnati. And I used to love seeing the Reds play at Riverfront once or twice a year.
Love Cedar Point, was fun as a kid. That and Indians games were all I needed (was there during the Omar Vizquel, Roberto Alomar, Manny, Lofton, Thome, etc days).
But I digress. Sorry to get OT just had to defend Ohio ;D
Rose, Bench, Morgan, Perez, Concepcion. Loved that Big Red Machine.
Tells you how recently I've been to Cedar Point though.
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Here's my sense of the alternate worlds:
(1) Cleveland Cavs. He actually has no interest here, just trying to drum up home town support.
(2) Boston Celtics. He comes here only if he get decent money, so the Cs spend the LLE on him and he is injured in pre-season, and never plays an actual game. Cs fans on celticsblog start numerous threads that Danny should be fired bc Danny wasted the LLE on an injury prone player, but see (3) below...
(3) Miami Heat. He joins the Heat for the vet min, misses 10 games, comes off the bench and averages 8pts, 8 boards, helps the Heat win another championship. Cs fans on celticsblog start numerous threads that Danny should be fired bc Danny should have signed him to the LLE, but see (2) above....
TP for the dual realities that are options 2 and 3
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he probably wants to see if kg is retiring or not ... he can learn a lot from kg moreso than bigs at other destinations mentioned.
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he probably just wants the best offer, if he waits until the off-season teams can offer the mle, though I wouldn't.
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Imagine he comes to the Celtics and lives up to his potential of being the best center prospect since Patrick Ewing, and Jeff Green becomes an all-star, and Rondo learns how to shoot, and they lead us to multiple championships. I can see it.
Best post I've seen on here. Tommy Point!
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Imagine he comes to the Celtics and lives up to his potential of being the best center prospect since Patrick Ewing, and Jeff Green becomes an all-star, and Rondo learns how to shoot, and they lead us to multiple championships. I can see it.
Best post I've seen on here. Tommy Point!
If that happened... Ainge would have to instantly be seen as on an Auerbachian level. The storyline is too crazy. In 2007 Boston hopes to land Greg Oden... ends up with #5 Jeff Green and then trades the "future" away for the present. The present nets them a title and 4 years of being contenders. Then Ainge trades for Green... a couple years later adds Oden... and they live up to that 2007 potential. Would be nuts!
don't count on it.
... But it would essentially be like skipping the "building" stage in favor of an awesome present... then riding that until the "future" was ready to be the present.
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Imagine he comes to the Celtics and lives up to his potential of being the best center prospect since Patrick Ewing, and Jeff Green becomes an all-star, and Rondo learns how to shoot, and they lead us to multiple championships. I can see it.
Best post I've seen on here. Tommy Point!
If that happened... Ainge would have to instantly be seen as on an Auerbachian level. The storyline is too crazy. In 2007 Boston hopes to land Greg Oden... ends up with #5 Jeff Green and then trades the "future" away for the present. The present nets them a title and 4 years of being contenders. Then Ainge trades for Green... a couple years later adds Oden... and they live up to that 2007 potential. Would be nuts!
don't count on it.
Boston would have took durant in the 2007 draft had they had the 1st pick. Of course if durant was taken they would have took oden.
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Imagine he comes to the Celtics and lives up to his potential of being the best center prospect since Patrick Ewing, and Jeff Green becomes an all-star, and Rondo learns how to shoot, and they lead us to multiple championships. I can see it.
Best post I've seen on here. Tommy Point!
If that happened... Ainge would have to instantly be seen as on an Auerbachian level. The storyline is too crazy. In 2007 Boston hopes to land Greg Oden... ends up with #5 Jeff Green and then trades the "future" away for the present. The present nets them a title and 4 years of being contenders. Then Ainge trades for Green... a couple years later adds Oden... and they live up to that 2007 potential. Would be nuts!
don't count on it.
Boston would have took durant in the 2007 draft had they had the 1st pick. Of course if durant was taken they would have took oden.
Doc has said the opposite, they would have taken Oden he thinks. I mean it's possible but I think the "Durant for sure" thing is a fabrication.
I would have taken Oden if I had the pick.
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Imagine he comes to the Celtics and lives up to his potential of being the best center prospect since Patrick Ewing, and Jeff Green becomes an all-star, and Rondo learns how to shoot, and they lead us to multiple championships. I can see it.
Best post I've seen on here. Tommy Point!
If that happened... Ainge would have to instantly be seen as on an Auerbachian level. The storyline is too crazy. In 2007 Boston hopes to land Greg Oden... ends up with #5 Jeff Green and then trades the "future" away for the present. The present nets them a title and 4 years of being contenders. Then Ainge trades for Green... a couple years later adds Oden... and they live up to that 2007 potential. Would be nuts!
don't count on it.
Boston would have took durant in the 2007 draft had they had the 1st pick. Of course if durant was taken they would have took oden.
Doc has said the opposite, they would have taken Oden he thinks. I mean it's possible but I think the "Durant for sure" thing is a fabrication.
I would have taken Oden if I had the pick.
Yes doc wanted oden. Ainge wanted durant. Ainge was even fined 30 thousand for have dinner with durrants mother. And etc
I wouldnt be shocked if stern messed with the lottery because of that
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we need this guy
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Would be a big shock if he chose the Celtics. Has the chance to play with an up and coming team in the Cavs or with Lebron James in South Beach. Those are the two places he went to school/grew up as well IIRC.
In the end he's going to go to the Heat. He's a better fit in Boston or Cleveland, but South Beach, Lebron, and the destination 95% of all players want to play at for the chance of a dynasty.
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Imagine he comes to the Celtics and lives up to his potential of being the best center prospect since Patrick Ewing, and Jeff Green becomes an all-star, and Rondo learns how to shoot, and they lead us to multiple championships. I can see it.
Best post I've seen on here. Tommy Point!
If that happened... Ainge would have to instantly be seen as on an Auerbachian level. The storyline is too crazy. In 2007 Boston hopes to land Greg Oden... ends up with #5 Jeff Green and then trades the "future" away for the present. The present nets them a title and 4 years of being contenders. Then Ainge trades for Green... a couple years later adds Oden... and they live up to that 2007 potential. Would be nuts!
don't count on it.
... But it would essentially be like skipping the "building" stage in favor of an awesome present... then riding that until the "future" was ready to be the present.
Oden's probably toast but Green looks like he has a decent shot of living up to his 2007 potential(take that however you like).
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Gotta bring Oden in just in case!
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Would be a big shock if he chose the Celtics. Has the chance to play with an up and coming team in the Cavs or with Lebron James in South Beach. Those are the two places he went to school/grew up as well IIRC.
In the end he's going to go to the Heat. He's a better fit in Boston or Cleveland, but South Beach, Lebron, and the destination 95% of all players want to play at for the chance of a dynasty.
I would be surprised, but not shocked if he went for BOS. Cavs have by far the most to spend if he's looking for short-term $, but I don't see them as an up-and-comer by any means being one of the worst teams in the NBA. Lots of cap, lots of picks, lots of rebuilding for an extended period of time. Cavs lack the exposure Oden would get elsewhere, and if they struggle as seems likely, it depresses his market value compared to the Cs and Heat (unless Oden really shines). Don't know that much about him, but if he's a Midwestern guy at heart, then BOS and MIA are at a disadvantage on that level.
Miami has South Beach, a crown, and likely another ring in its future (but bet the house against winning 7 crowns). Heat, however, has no cap room on the horizon unless they blow it up (a possibility because they are going to get whacked hard by the new CBA). If Oden puts in 2 years there and plays decently, he could parlay that into a better contract down the road somewhere other than MIA.
Boston has lesser charms than MIA, but its cap situation is much better than MIA's. Cs have cap after next season and he'll get more exposure for the market than with the Cavs. Boston does have some advantages. Doc Rivers would have to be rated the best of the three coaches, the Cs' heritiage, and mentoring potential.
That all being said, bet on the best short-term money: Cavs.
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I don't see Oden fitting in with the Heat. Their offense is predicated on not having a big taking up space in or near the paint. I guess if he want's to play scrub minutes like Chris Andersen, he could go there, but I wouldn't. The last reclamation project to sign on there never got on the court, in Eddy Curry. Now, I'd sure a lot of the reason for Curry not getting time is on Curry, but it's not like there are tons of minutes there for comeback guys to find their footing.
Boston has a glaring need for a true center, and they have an Ohio State buddy in Sully to pair with Oden. As mentioned before, he would get to play with KG. Also, Boston and Doc have proved with KG that they know how to manage the minutes of a big coming off a serious knee injury.
Cleveland has a young team, and the Cleveland Clinic is top notch. However, there are a lot of good medical resources in Boston.
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Don't understand why nba teams still pay this guy... Osteoporosis ? One leg longer than the other ? No thanks
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Don't understand why nba teams still pay this guy...
Because they buy into the cliche that "you can't teach height".
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Don't understand why nba teams still pay this guy...
Because they buy into the cliche that "you can't teach height".
Or maybe they buy into the cliche that "we have a chance of acquiring a talented player, former #1 lottery pick for cheap".
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Don't understand why nba teams still pay this guy...
Because they buy into the cliche that "you can't teach height".
Or maybe they buy into the cliche that "we have a chance of acquiring a talented player, former #1 lottery pick for cheap".
see/ olowakandi
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A little from column A, a little from Column B, I suppose, but he's probably going to get more chances than a 6'3" #1 overall injury-prone PG draft bust.