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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Smartacus on February 27, 2013, 04:04:17 AM
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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Draft-Prospect-of-the-Week-Giannis-Adetokunbo-4090/
Rebuilding in the NBA is a daunting concept. We Celtic fans have suffered through decades of dire straits so our top priority should be setting this team up for success in few years time. And the best way to do this is to maximize each draft pick from here on out.
Which brings us to 18 year old Giannis Adetokunbo my choice for the Celtics pick in this year's draft. A late bloomer out of Greece, Adetokunbo has.the unique phyiscal tools(6'9, 7'3 wingspan)and coordination to potentially be an all star once he matures.
Capable of playing multiple positions due to his versatile skill set, Adetokunbo projects to the three but may still be growing and possesses massive hands allowing him to make high level Rondo esque passes and finishes.
Should he conitinue to develop we could be looking at a Nicola Mirotic like situation where we could have a rotation player join up right when we should be hopefully in a postion to possibly contend. Like Mirotic, Adetokunbo is signing a 4 year contract in the Spanish ACB League but has NBA out clauses in each of the contracts years. According to his agent he plans to most likely declare for this year's draft and stay in if the situation is right.
My ideal scenario would involve Pierce and Garnett retiring at the end of the season, drafting Adetokunbo in 2013, find our way to the 2014 lottery and be in a position to draft someone like a Julius Randle or Dakari Johnson. Fill out the roster with some free agent signings and have a seasoned Adetokunbo join up to throw out a young roster lead by the evil genius himself, Rondo.
Big things have small beginnings, this could be the greatest draft and stash candidate since Tiago Splitter.
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never heard of him, all mocks have him undrafted. I do like your idea of moving up in the 2014 draft. that draft is going to be loaded. Go for one of the harrison twins or dakari johnson like you said. Andrew Wiggins and probably jabari parker will be out of reach.
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I've looked into some clips on YouTube. The kid seems active on both ends.
I like the idea of draft and stash as well. Let him develop slowly yet surely.
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I haven`t seen the kid play (he plays for a second division Greek team but Saragosa has bought his rights)
But i remember reading that Austin Ainge was in Greece about a month ago taking a look at him
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Wereally can't afford a stash and draft folks.
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He's too tall for Doc.
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I cant even pronounce his name!! :-[
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Given our current draft position, there are several US players I'd like more. But if we could come up with a late first or early second, I wouldn't mind drafting and stashing. I've been a fan of that strategy for years. Why draft a player who takes 2-3 years to develop, and who's out of his rookie deal by the time he does? I'd much rather that player develop on somebody else's dime, so that when his rookie deal clock starts, he's ready to step in immediately. And if he never develops, you're only out the draft pick, and not the roster spot or wasted salary.
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Nevermind. Sorry, answer is above.
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He has a very sympathetic back story and looks very intriguing on video, as much as you can in clips in the second-division level of Greek Basketball.
With his size, handle, ability to go coast and coast and passing skills, maybe he looks like Lamar Odom. On the other hand, Al Farouq Aminu is also 6'9 with a 7'3 wingspan and can go coast to coast with the dribble as well. He's not much of a passer though. Thankfully Giannis doesn't shoot ridiculous moon balls like Aminu does. Aminu must have practiced shooting on 12 foot rims growing up.
I can't imagine he'll go higher than the late first at best unless he can attend the Hoops Summit and Eurobasket camp and dominates.
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Wereally can't afford a stash and draft folks.
Don't agree, assuming we're starting to rebuild come this summer.
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Wereally can't afford a stash and draft folks.
It depends on whether we're talking first or second round.
In the first, Danny has found great value late a number of times. In the second, it's less likely that we find a rotation-level player, so using that pick on a Euro stash makes sense to me.
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never heard of him, all mocks have him undrafted. I do like your idea of moving up in the 2014 draft. that draft is going to be loaded. Go for one of the harrison twins or dakari johnson like you said. Andrew Wiggins and probably jabari parker will be out of reach.
Aye, I don't see us ending up with the top pick as long as we have Rondo. But there should be talent in the 7 to 9 range. If Mitch McGary can work on his conditioning I think he could have a break out year once Burke, Robinson III and Hardaway Jr declare. He might be a bit redundant with Sulley but I think he jumps a good deal higher and could play center.
Also if Steven Adams stays at Georgetown he might be a nice center. Manual Ram on realgm seems to think he's God's gift. Tough > 7 foot New Zealander who grew up around gangs and is still learning the game. 2 years around the G Town school of being a dominant big man could do him propel him into the mid lottery.
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Wereally can't afford a stash and draft folks.
It depends on whether we're talking first or second round.
In the first, Danny has found great value late a number of times. In the second, it's less likely that we find a rotation-level player, so using that pick on a Euro stash makes sense to me.
Depends a little on where the Cs pick, but assuming it's in the late teens or early twenties, I would probably take the best talent available in a draft this soft -- no matter how far off their contributions may be.
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Wereally can't afford a stash and draft folks.
It depends on whether we're talking first or second round.
In the first, Danny has found great value late a number of times. In the second, it's less likely that we find a rotation-level player, so using that pick on a Euro stash makes sense to me.
Eh, even in the first round, I think we can afford it. This team needs talent and assets. If it takes a couple years to develop, so be it. But if they are going to rebuild or reload, it is going to be through getting the most valuable talent possible, and sometimes that means taking a chance on a guy who might be in Europe for a year or two.
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never heard of him, all mocks have him undrafted. I do like your idea of moving up in the 2014 draft. that draft is going to be loaded. Go for one of the harrison twins or dakari johnson like you said. Andrew Wiggins and probably jabari parker will be out of reach.
Aye, I don't see us ending up with the top pick as long as we have Rondo. But there should be talent in the 7 to 9 range. If Mitch McGary can work on his conditioning I think he could have a break out year once Burke, Robinson III and Hardaway Jr declare. He might be a bit redundant with Sulley but I think he jumps a good deal higher and could play center.
Also if Steven Adams stays at Georgetown he might be a nice center. Manual Ram on realgm seems to think he's God's gift. Tough > 7 foot New Zealander who grew up around gangs and is still learning the game. 2 years around the G Town school of being a dominant big man could do him propel him into the mid lottery.
It's not too relevant but Adams plays for Pitt not Georgetown.
I saw a few of his games before he got to Pitt and thought he would show enough flashes of potential dominance to be a lottery pick. He's still definitely a first round selection but he looks too far away and not quite athletically promising enough to go in the lottery this year. I'm not sure whether it's because he's bulked up but he has very little lift, one of those guys whose max vertical is in the high 20s at best. He kind of looks like Meyers Leonard with less hops.
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never heard of him, all mocks have him undrafted. I do like your idea of moving up in the 2014 draft. that draft is going to be loaded. Go for one of the harrison twins or dakari johnson like you said. Andrew Wiggins and probably jabari parker will be out of reach.
Aye, I don't see us ending up with the top pick as long as we have Rondo. But there should be talent in the 7 to 9 range. If Mitch McGary can work on his conditioning I think he could have a break out year once Burke, Robinson III and Hardaway Jr declare. He might be a bit redundant with Sulley but I think he jumps a good deal higher and could play center.
Also if Steven Adams stays at Georgetown he might be a nice center. Manual Ram on realgm seems to think he's God's gift. Tough > 7 foot New Zealander who grew up around gangs and is still learning the game. 2 years around the G Town school of being a dominant big man could do him propel him into the mid lottery.
It's not too relevant but Adams plays for Pitt not Georgetown.
I saw a few of his games before he got to Pitt and thought he would show enough flashes of potential dominance to be a lottery pick. He's still definitely a first round selection but he looks too far away and not quite athletically promising enough to go in the lottery this year. I'm not sure whether it's because he's bulked up but he has very little lift, one of those guys whose max vertical is in the high 20s at best. He kind of looks like Meyers Leonard with less hops.
My mistaked I'd say the coaching dropoff from Georgetown to Pitt would definitely be relevant. I can see the Leonard perspective, actually both come from similar backgrounds although being worlds apart. Adams seems to at least try to put his back to the basket a bit more, but as you said he has nowhere near the athleticism of Leonard.
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Danny has never been a Euro-shash guy. As far as I can remember, Erden was his only try at it. We all know how that turned out.
It seems that Danny prefers to use his second rounders on 3d & 4th year college players. He's had mixed results there, but did land 3 solid NBA players, E'Twaun, BBD, and Gomes.
IMO, there is far more upside in Euro-stash players than in 3d/4th year college players.
This is complete hindsight. However, what if since the 07/08 Championship, instead of using second round draft picks on the Gabe Pruitts and Lester Hudsons of the world, the Celtic stock piled Euro players. Perhaps one or two of the them would be ready to put the green on or just be completing their rookie season.
The future would look a little brighter if the Cs had Shved, De Colo, Mirotic, Singler, etc... walking through that door.
Mk
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He's too tall for Doc.
The knee-jerk is getting kind of tired.
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Danny has never been a Euro-shash guy. As far as I can remember, Erden was his only try at it. We all know how that turned out.
It seems that Danny prefers to use his second rounders on 3d & 4th year college players. He's had mixed results there, but did land 3 solid NBA players, E'Twaun, BBD, and Gomes.
IMO, there is far more upside in Euro-stash players than in 3d/4th year college players.
This is complete hindsight. However, what if since the 07/08 Championship, instead of using second round draft picks on the Gabe Pruitts and Lester Hudsons of the world, the Celtic stock piled Euro players. Perhaps one or two of the them would be ready to put the green on or just be completing their rookie season.
The future would look a little brighter if the Cs had Shved, De Colo, Mirotic, Singler, etc... walking through that door.
Mk
I like the Euro Stash philosophy as well but besides the 2008 draft, the Celtics weren't really in position to draft Euro stash candidates. De Colo and Mirotic both went before the Celtics picked. Shved could've been taken but he went undrafted, if I recall because he was adamant about not being drafted as well as there being questions about his play. Singler wasn't an Euro player, although he ended up like a Euro stash player but I'm not too beaten up about losing out on him. The Celtics have actually drafted too low in the second round to pick any viable Euro Stash candidates. Hudson was the 58th pick, Harangody the 52th, they didn't have a second round pick in 2009--looking at the picks after them, there weren't any who got away.
Still, the 2008 draft burns because they could've taken Pekovic or Asik or even DeAndre Jordan instead of Giddens. I think the reason was because few thought the window for contention was going to be long. I think most gave them 2 years, maybe 3. I think Ainge thought he had to look for someone who could provide immediate help before the window closed.
In 2007, they could've taken Marc Gasol but Gasol was pushing 300 pounds at the time and didn't look like a future NBA player at all. It was just a very astute selection by the Lakers.
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Danny has never been a Euro-shash guy. As far as I can remember, Erden was his only try at it. We all know how that turned out.
It seems that Danny prefers to use his second rounders on 3d & 4th year college players. He's had mixed results there, but did land 3 solid NBA players, E'Twaun, BBD, and Gomes.
IMO, there is far more upside in Euro-stash players than in 3d/4th year college players.
This is complete hindsight. However, what if since the 07/08 Championship, instead of using second round draft picks on the Gabe Pruitts and Lester Hudsons of the world, the Celtic stock piled Euro players. Perhaps one or two of the them would be ready to put the green on or just be completing their rookie season.
The future would look a little brighter if the Cs had Shved, De Colo, Mirotic, Singler, etc... walking through that door.
Mk
I like the Euro Stash philosophy as well but besides the 2008 draft, the Celtics weren't really in position to draft Euro stash candidates. De Colo and Mirotic both went before the Celtics picked. Shved could've been taken but he went undrafted, if I recall because he was adamant about not being drafted as well as there being questions about his play. Singler wasn't an Euro player, although he ended up like a Euro stash player but I'm not too beaten up about losing out on him. The Celtics have actually drafted too low in the second round to pick any viable Euro Stash candidates. Hudson was the 58th pick, Harangody the 52th, they didn't have a second round pick in 2009--looking at the picks after them, there weren't any who got away.
Still, the 2008 draft burns because they could've taken Pekovic or Asik or even DeAndre Jordan instead of Giddens. I think the reason was because few thought the window for contention was going to be long. I think most gave them 2 years, maybe 3. I think Ainge thought he had to look for someone who could provide immediate help before the window closed.
In 2007, they could've taken Marc Gasol but Gasol was pushing 300 pounds at the time and didn't look like a future NBA player at all. It was just a very astute selection by the Lakers.
It's true that many of the those players were not available when the Cs selected. However, it's more to the point of having a solid Euro-stash plan, e.g. scouting, drafting, player development, and such. For example, perhaps if Danny and his Euro scouts really liked Pek or De Colo, the Cs could have moved up to draft either of them.
I understand Danny adding players for immediate help, but it's also his job to plan for the future.
Mk
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To those who mentioned Steven Adams, he has serious athletic skills in addition to his size. He has a serious vertical for example. The issue is that he is very raw and is largely just a shot blocker at this stage of his career. I do expect him to play in the NBA for a long time when he finally comes out.
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To those who mentioned Steven Adams, he has serious athletic skills in addition to his size. He has a serious vertical for example. The issue is that he is very raw and is largely just a shot blocker at this stage of his career. I do expect him to play in the NBA for a long time when he finally comes out.
NO MORE FABs.
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Celts seem to be more open to giving Garnett, the Duncan treatment. Here's hoping that we can learn something from The Spurs drafting philosophy as well.
Another possible candidate for this philosophy would be Lucas Noriega. I just feel like that guy has first defensive big off the bench written all over him.
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To those who mentioned Steven Adams, he has serious athletic skills in addition to his size. He has a serious vertical for example. The issue is that he is very raw and is largely just a shot blocker at this stage of his career. I do expect him to play in the NBA for a long time when he finally comes out.
NO MORE FABs.
He may actually give more cringeworthy interviews than Fab. I do definitely wonder if he cares enough to max out his potential, but it could also just be something being lost in translation culturally.
His interviews seem strait out of Flight of the Concordes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnBC1pocAos
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Really intriguing prospect. Here is draft express scouting video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km632hL-XCo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km632hL-XCo)
Also, Austin Ainge went to Greece to watch him practice. http://www.eurohoops.net/2013/01/dunks/18141 (http://www.eurohoops.net/2013/01/dunks/18141)
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To those who mentioned Steven Adams, he has serious athletic skills in addition to his size. He has a serious vertical for example. The issue is that he is very raw and is largely just a shot blocker at this stage of his career. I do expect him to play in the NBA for a long time when he finally comes out.
NO MORE FABs.
He may actually give more cringeworthy interviews than Fab. I do definitely wonder if he cares enough to max out his potential, but it could also just be something being lost in translation culturally.
His interviews seem strait out of Flight of the Concordes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnBC1pocAos
Wow! Him and Rondo would make for some epic post game pressers. That is if Rondo doesn't smack him first
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Really intriguing prospect. Here is draft express scouting video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km632hL-XCo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km632hL-XCo)
Also, Austin Ainge went to Greece to watch him practice. http://www.eurohoops.net/2013/01/dunks/18141 (http://www.eurohoops.net/2013/01/dunks/18141)
Tp for the link to the Ainge story. I really think this guy could be on our radar. I'd chalk it at high risk, higher reward.
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apparently Presti has gone on a euro trip to scout Giannis, Gobert and Saric. OKC would be a team that has zero issues to draft and stash.
This kid looks like he has some serious capabilities. From the youtube clip he definitely looks like a Durant but without as good shot but better defensive skills.
Certainly a guy Danny would drool over. Anyways if OKC takes a chance and picks him with the 10-12 pick, than that is also better for us, since another good option will drop to our lap.
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apparently Presti has gone on a euro trip to scout Giannis, Gobert and Saric. OKC would be a team that has zero issues to draft and stash.
This kid looks like he has some serious capabilities. From the youtube clip he definitely looks like a Durant but without as good shot but better defensive skills.
Certainly a guy Danny would drool over. Anyways if OKC takes a chance and picks him with the 10-12 pick, than that is also better for us, since another good option will drop to our lap.
Ya that would be nice, if OKC decides not to go big and draft Adetokunbo, then one of Len, Olynyk, Caulie Stein or Plumlee could potential slide into our draft spot.
Also if OKC goes for the giant Frenchman route, Thabeet, Perkins, Gobert, Ibaka and Durant might just go down as the longest front court of all time.