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Beyond the Association => Other Basketball => Topic started by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 05:27:38 PM

Title: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 05:27:38 PM
Well, I was booorreed so don't blame me!

So, sometimes I see players go for a tough layup or something, but they miss. Then they land on the floor (which takes time to get up from). By the time they get back on defense (where the team was playing 4-on-5), the play is already over, or he's too late to do anything.

Other times, a big guy who can't run fast will be the last guy to fall back (they're slow). By the time he gets back, the other team has converted a fast-break opportunity or something (other team has numbers).

Soo, my genius plan is:

Why don't we just leave the guy there? For example, a team like us (who had a great defense these past few years), can just play 4-on-5 on defense. The other team might shoot over 50%, but I see that as very unlikely. If one of our players just stood under the opponents' basket after he fell, or if he was a slow runner, or if he was just tired, just keep him there.

Then, it's likely we can force the opponent to miss some shots, and then snag a rebound. Throw it down the court, and we get the two easiest points ever. The guy there saved some energy, and can run back now to set the defense for the next play. Worst case scenario, both teams score, and it's the same score as before.

Maybe the opponent will also keep a guy back there now, to defend your guy. Then you can run back on D to create a 5-on-4, which is even better. Or, you can stay there and it's 4-on-4 and you can try to beat them up. If you get a tall guy to stay on offense, then they'll have to send a tall guy back to block a pass that might come to you.

That would be intriguing, eh? Very ridiculous, but I don't like when players just run back after the play is already over, it just wastes their energy and doesn't mean much. Plus, if we did this, we'd score points very easily by getting a rebound and passing it ASAP.

The real question though, is can we keep a team to <50% shooting while playing 4-on-5 defense? These past few years, I would have thought so.

LOL discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxKOwckfURc
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: wdleehi on February 26, 2013, 05:30:03 PM
One really fast guy can steal at least 1/3 of those long passes. 

Pressuring the inbounder making it harder to get a clean throw gives the defense time to get back. 
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: wdleehi on February 26, 2013, 05:30:56 PM
It is easier to hit the long bomb when someone sneaks out. 
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: KGs Knee on February 26, 2013, 05:31:14 PM
This isn't a pick-up game at the park.

Cherry-picking in the NBA will get you killed on defense.  Players of this caliber, with offensive structer, will score almost evry time.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 05:32:29 PM
Players of this caliber, with offensive structer, will score almost evry time.

Yeah, that's what I thought. But when they DO miss, we can just pass it and get easy points. Even Fab Melo could camp out by the opponent's basket ;D
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: wdleehi on February 26, 2013, 05:34:13 PM
Players of this caliber, with offensive structer, will score almost evry time.

Yeah, that's what I thought. But when they DO miss, we can just pass it and get easy points. Even Fab Melo could camp out by the opponent's basket ;D

There is going to be at least someone leaking back on defense on every shot why the other teams big men crash the offensive boards hard with only one defensive big. 
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 26, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
This isn't biddy ball.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 05:39:53 PM
Players of this caliber, with offensive structer, will score almost evry time.

Yeah, that's what I thought. But when they DO miss, we can just pass it and get easy points. Even Fab Melo could camp out by the opponent's basket ;D

There is going to be at least someone leaking back on defense on every shot why the other teams big men crash the offensive boards hard with only one defensive big.

What if we hypothetically played our big lineup (Lee, Pierce, Green, Wilcox, KG)
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: ScottHow on February 26, 2013, 05:40:38 PM
This worked really well in a college bball video game with Kenny George, lol. Of coarse every player could throw pin point 90 foot passes but don't worrrrrrrrrrrry about it.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: Donoghus on February 26, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
Cherrypicking works once in a blue moon at the NBA level and the opposing team would get way too many easy baskets.  It'd be a horrible strategy to employ.  Besides, how many of those long passes would get picked?  I'm guessing a fair share.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: wdleehi on February 26, 2013, 05:43:32 PM
This worked really well in a college bball video game with Kenny George, lol. Of coarse every player could throw pin point 90 foot passes but don't worrrrrrrrrrrry about it.



Well then you know it has to work in real life.  You know the catch phrase "if it is in the game, it is in the game!"


That works both way, right?  (I hope so or my dreams of being a 7'7 C as fast as AI in his prime is really going to be crushed)
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: timobusa on February 26, 2013, 05:43:49 PM
Is this what you do when you play 2k?
Cherry picking all day.

Real Basketball ain't a video game kid.

This ain't no YMCA pick up basketball either.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: KGs Knee on February 26, 2013, 05:50:56 PM
This worked really well in a college bball video game with Kenny George, lol. Of coarse every player could throw pin point 90 foot passes but don't worrrrrrrrrrrry about it.



Well then you know it has to work in real life.  You know the catch phrase "if it is in the game, it is in the game!"


That works both way, right?  (I hope so or my dreams of being a 7'7 C as fast as AI in his prime is really going to be crushed)

Haha!!!

I remember back when I used to actually play video games, I once created a player in NBA Live that was pretty much identical.  I had numerous 100 pt games (I think I once scored 150 pts), needless to say.  Got bored after a while with it though.  Too easy.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: BballTim on February 26, 2013, 05:51:27 PM

  Somewhere on the other side of the continent Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is reading this thread and smiling fondly.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: Redz on February 26, 2013, 06:00:55 PM
I could see this leading to offside violations and players being forced to throw the ball inbounds with their arms over their heads and two feet on the ground.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 06:25:21 PM
I made a video for you guys! ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxKOwckfURc
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: timobusa on February 26, 2013, 06:35:50 PM
I made a video for you guys! ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxKOwckfURc

That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
But I like the effort!
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: wdleehi on February 26, 2013, 07:33:12 PM
This worked really well in a college bball video game with Kenny George, lol. Of coarse every player could throw pin point 90 foot passes but don't worrrrrrrrrrrry about it.



Well then you know it has to work in real life.  You know the catch phrase "if it is in the game, it is in the game!"


That works both way, right?  (I hope so or my dreams of being a 7'7 C as fast as AI in his prime is really going to be crushed)

Haha!!!

I remember back when I used to actually play video games, I once created a player in NBA Live that was pretty much identical.  I had numerous 100 pt games (I think I once scored 150 pts), needless to say.  Got bored after a while with it though.  Too easy.


That's why I would make a 5'3, 350 lb guy that had no speed, no jumping, no pass, shooting, handling.



He was 99 for dunking and blocking.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: guava_wrench on February 26, 2013, 07:35:17 PM
If all trolling was like this, the Internet would be a better place!

Great video!

Sadly, even the Bobcats would carve our defense up with only 4 defenders.

It would be even more disastrous the second time we tried it. Even the worst NBA team would score at will if they actually practiced half-court 5 on 4 before the game. Our only hope would be against a team with only 3 players who can hit a jumper outside the lane.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: guava_wrench on February 26, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
This worked really well in a college bball video game with Kenny George, lol. Of coarse every player could throw pin point 90 foot passes but don't worrrrrrrrrrrry about it.



Well then you know it has to work in real life.  You know the catch phrase "if it is in the game, it is in the game!"


That works both way, right?  (I hope so or my dreams of being a 7'7 C as fast as AI in his prime is really going to be crushed)

Haha!!!

I remember back when I used to actually play video games, I once created a player in NBA Live that was pretty much identical.  I had numerous 100 pt games (I think I once scored 150 pts), needless to say.  Got bored after a while with it though.  Too easy.
Would be more fun in My Player mode in 2K series.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: KGs Knee on February 26, 2013, 07:44:47 PM
This worked really well in a college bball video game with Kenny George, lol. Of coarse every player could throw pin point 90 foot passes but don't worrrrrrrrrrrry about it.



Well then you know it has to work in real life.  You know the catch phrase "if it is in the game, it is in the game!"


That works both way, right?  (I hope so or my dreams of being a 7'7 C as fast as AI in his prime is really going to be crushed)

Haha!!!

I remember back when I used to actually play video games, I once created a player in NBA Live that was pretty much identical.  I had numerous 100 pt games (I think I once scored 150 pts), needless to say.  Got bored after a while with it though.  Too easy.
Would be more fun in My Player mode in 2K series.

Well, as a reference point, this was the year Joe Johnson was a rookie on the C's.  That was the last b-ball agme I ever owned (PS2-which I subsquently sold).  Just lost interest over the years.  The only video game system I even own now is my original SuperNintendo.

I play occassionally over friends houses, or break out the SNES and play some old-skool NBA JAM every once in a while, but that's about it.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: syfy9 on February 26, 2013, 08:29:47 PM
What if we have one guy stay on DEFENSE???

We can negate most open fast break baskets. We can also have everybody crash the boards as hard as possible.

Granted, our offense would have to be superb, but I could see a team like OKC be able to do this.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 08:30:39 PM
What if we have one guy stay on DEFENSE???

We can negate most open fast break baskets. We can also have everybody crash the boards as hard as possible.

Granted, our offense would have to be superb, but I could see a team like OKC be able to do this.

I can't tell if there's sarcasm poured all over this :x
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: syfy9 on February 26, 2013, 08:43:53 PM
What if we have one guy stay on DEFENSE???

We can negate most open fast break baskets. We can also have everybody crash the boards as hard as possible.

Granted, our offense would have to be superb, but I could see a team like OKC be able to do this.

I can't tell if there's sarcasm poured all over this :x

Well, Andres Biedrins might as well do that. He's almost completely useless on offense anyway.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 08:45:47 PM
What if we have one guy stay on DEFENSE???

We can negate most open fast break baskets. We can also have everybody crash the boards as hard as possible.

Granted, our offense would have to be superb, but I could see a team like OKC be able to do this.

I can't tell if there's sarcasm poured all over this :x

Well, Andres Biedrins might as well do that. He's almost completely useless on offense anyway.

Any player who is a defensive liability could do this :)
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: wdleehi on February 27, 2013, 08:30:37 AM
I remember an old basketball video game where two guys would have to stay back on defense and two would have to stay back on offense.  There was only one guy that would play both.




I also remember the game not being that great of a game. 
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: Roy H. on February 27, 2013, 09:06:52 AM
I made a video for you guys! ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxKOwckfURc

The blue team sucks at offense.
Title: Re: My ever-so-clever strategy
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 27, 2013, 09:08:12 AM
I made a video for you guys! ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxKOwckfURc

The blue team sucks at offense.

You didn't like the great P&R action?  ;D