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Title: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: krook on February 26, 2013, 01:48:56 AM
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Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: cletus1985 on February 26, 2013, 02:31:10 AM
We Love This Guy But...
Every time We Go Againt's  Those Big
Brandon Bass Seems Lost

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We all know Bass shouldn't be a starter, but what's your alternative? Green could start in certain matchups, but against Utah and their giant frontline he'd get eaten alive in the post. Bass is the best we have in that situation unfortunately and at least he can body up Milsap and Favors without getting pushed around.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 26, 2013, 02:36:18 AM
We Love This Guy But...
Every time We Go Againt's  Those Big
Brandon Bass Seems Lost

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7026/94029820.png)

We all know Bass shouldn't be a starter, but what's your alternative? Green could start in certain matchups, but against Utah and their giant frontline he'd get eaten alive in the post. Bass is the best we have in that situation unfortunately and at least he can body up Milsap and Favors without getting pushed around.

The simple answer is Wilcox should start.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: cletus1985 on February 26, 2013, 02:44:41 AM
We Love This Guy But...
Every time We Go Againt's  Those Big
Brandon Bass Seems Lost

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7026/94029820.png)

We all know Bass shouldn't be a starter, but what's your alternative? Green could start in certain matchups, but against Utah and their giant frontline he'd get eaten alive in the post. Bass is the best we have in that situation unfortunately and at least he can body up Milsap and Favors without getting pushed around.

The simple answer is Wilcox should start.

Wilcox is a great energy guy, but he's not better than Bass. He doesn't rebound either and he doesn't have a midrange game to draw defenders. Wilcox starting solves nothing offensively and weakens our defense, that would be a step backwards.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 26, 2013, 03:03:48 AM
Sullinger had season ending surgery. The result is bass must start.  Sully was going to be our starter for sure.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: connor on February 26, 2013, 03:55:44 AM
We Love This Guy But...
Every time We Go Againt's  Those Big
Brandon Bass Seems Lost

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7026/94029820.png)

We all know Bass shouldn't be a starter, but what's your alternative? Green could start in certain matchups, but against Utah and their giant frontline he'd get eaten alive in the post. Bass is the best we have in that situation unfortunately and at least he can body up Milsap and Favors without getting pushed around.

The simple answer is Wilcox should start.

Wilcox is a great energy guy, but he's not better than Bass. He doesn't rebound either and he doesn't have a midrange game to draw defenders. Wilcox starting solves nothing offensively and weakens our defense, that would be a step backwards.
This.

I'd also argue theres a certain level of comfort with him out there with the starters right now. I don't think we have a better option, but even if you decided to go with Wilcox that would change the whole dynamic because Wilcox's game is entirely different to Bass's. Whatever minimal upgrade you would get by taking him out of the starting lineup (and I don't think there would be one) would be negated by the growing pains of an unfamiliar lineup.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 26, 2013, 07:42:39 AM
I agree he is a bench guy but we have no one better unless we start Green there. So PP JG KG CL and AB would be your starter.  Ideally, he should come off the bench but we have a big famine.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: ScottHow on February 26, 2013, 07:50:22 AM
Sullinger had season ending surgery. The result is bass must start.  Sully was going to be our starter for sure.

I miss Sully  :'(

I was kinda getting use to watching a big that could rebound
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: slamtheking on February 26, 2013, 08:50:59 AM
he's the starter for the year.  unless there's some significant changes for next year's team, I think Sully will become the starter at some point once he's shown he's recovered from  his surgery and Bass will be coming off the bench where he'll produce much better results.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 26, 2013, 08:52:23 AM
Forgot about sully. (Oops). Any word on his surgery on anything?


And I like bass, he is for some reason a likeable player to me. He just really isn't playing well this season. And man are his hands made of stone or what?
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: Q_FBE on February 26, 2013, 11:29:56 AM
I am pulling for Bass to do well so we can trade him at a higher value. I like the kid and was thankful he came back to the Celtics. I just don't think he is the long term solution at PF because he is too small. Sullenger is a good player and our PF for the future.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: kgainez on February 26, 2013, 11:35:51 AM
We Love This Guy But...
Every time We Go Againt's  Those Big
Brandon Bass Seems Lost

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7026/94029820.png)

i think we get your point, man.
everywhere you're just so anti bass
we get it. and we see it lol
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: kgainez on February 26, 2013, 11:37:24 AM
We Love This Guy But...
Every time We Go Againt's  Those Big
Brandon Bass Seems Lost

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7026/94029820.png)

We all know Bass shouldn't be a starter, but what's your alternative? Green could start in certain matchups, but against Utah and their giant frontline he'd get eaten alive in the post. Bass is the best we have in that situation unfortunately and at least he can body up Milsap and Favors without getting pushed around.

The simple answer is Wilcox should start.

Wilcox is a great energy guy, but he's not better than Bass. He doesn't rebound either and he doesn't have a midrange game to draw defenders. Wilcox starting solves nothing offensively and weakens our defense, that would be a step backwards.

unless u play Wilcox at the C, which I think he'd have a tinch bit of an advantage cuz of his athleticism/speed and you put KG back at the 4.

Please understand that Wilcox had a solid 25 minutes last night. would've liked more rebounds, but Utah as rebounders. we do not.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: Celtics18 on February 26, 2013, 11:48:42 AM
I am pulling for Bass to do well so we can trade him at a higher value. I like the kid and was thankful he came back to the Celtics. I just don't think he is the long term solution at PF because he is too small. Sullenger is a good player and our PF for the future.

I am pulling for Sully to successfully return from his back surgery and to keep improving.  He may be the power forward for the future, but some part of me is hoping that we can turn him into our next Al Jefferson. 
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: kozlodoev on February 26, 2013, 12:49:01 PM
We Love This Guy But...
Every time We Go Againt's  Those Big
Brandon Bass Seems Lost

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Conveniently omitted from your little snapshot are the 15 pts and the 2 blocks.

In related news, Pierce was horrible yesterday because he had 4 turnovers, 5 fouls, zero steals, and was just 3-10 from three.

 ::)
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: TripleOT on February 26, 2013, 12:55:08 PM
One thing Bass certainly shouldn't be - playing at the same time as Jeff Green.  From Grantland's excellent Zach Lowe

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The Brandon Bass–Jeff Green Pairing

This just hasn't worked well, regardless of whether Boston pairs these two in big lineups or small ones. Boston's opponents have outscored the Celtics by nearly 15 points per 100 possessions in the 500 minutes these two had shared entering Monday's game. Boston's overall scoring margin was exactly even going into that game, and no other two-man combination that had logged at least 200 minutes had a worse differential than -6.1 points per 100 possessions, according to NBA.com.

Why in the world has Doc played them 500 minutes if they're so god-awful together? I know the Cs are shorthanded with their bigs, but Doc has to do a better job mixing and matching. 

Unless Doc enjoys seeing the other team convert easy putbacks keep these guys apart at all costs. 
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: kgainez on February 26, 2013, 01:17:25 PM
One thing Bass certainly shouldn't be - playing at the same time as Jeff Green.  From Grantland's excellent Zach Lowe

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The Brandon Bass–Jeff Green Pairing

This just hasn't worked well, regardless of whether Boston pairs these two in big lineups or small ones. Boston's opponents have outscored the Celtics by nearly 15 points per 100 possessions in the 500 minutes these two had shared entering Monday's game. Boston's overall scoring margin was exactly even going into that game, and no other two-man combination that had logged at least 200 minutes had a worse differential than -6.1 points per 100 possessions, according to NBA.com.

Why in the world has Doc played them 500 minutes if they're so god-awful together? I know the Cs are shorthanded with their bigs, but Doc has to do a better job mixing and matching. 

Unless Doc enjoys seeing the other team convert easy putbacks keep these guys apart at all costs.

nt sure he has much of a choice
i do like CW with JG more tho.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: Eja117 on February 26, 2013, 01:22:36 PM
At least he's not Glen Davis or Seth MacFarlane.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 26, 2013, 01:24:50 PM
I really think Jeff Green should be starting at PF and getting 35 minutes minimum.  He adds a lot more than Bass can.  Green is definitely not a PF, but he's definitely our 3rd best player... and our 3rd best player should be starting.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Should Be A Bench Warmer Not A Starter
Post by: Snakehead on February 26, 2013, 03:46:37 PM
One thing Bass certainly shouldn't be - playing at the same time as Jeff Green.  From Grantland's excellent Zach Lowe

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The Brandon Bass–Jeff Green Pairing

This just hasn't worked well, regardless of whether Boston pairs these two in big lineups or small ones. Boston's opponents have outscored the Celtics by nearly 15 points per 100 possessions in the 500 minutes these two had shared entering Monday's game. Boston's overall scoring margin was exactly even going into that game, and no other two-man combination that had logged at least 200 minutes had a worse differential than -6.1 points per 100 possessions, according to NBA.com.

Why in the world has Doc played them 500 minutes if they're so god-awful together? I know the Cs are shorthanded with their bigs, but Doc has to do a better job mixing and matching. 

Unless Doc enjoys seeing the other team convert easy putbacks keep these guys apart at all costs.

nt sure he has much of a choice
i do like CW with JG more tho.

Agreed on the choice.  And I would also add that I think Jeff has been a pretty great defender this year and I think much more of that should go on Bass.  I think KG hides how poorly Bass has played on his own on defense this year.  I feel it's been a clear regression from last year, just from the eye test.

Wilcox isn't a good defender from the C position himself... so yeah the lineups just aren't perfect.  We are giving something up with basically any big man pairing and we have no good backup C options (as far as defense/rebounding).

Lowe says he should do a better job mixing and matching... well who?  And in what combos?  There is no answer. So instead of blaming Doc he should say "they have no options right now" but of course that would require thought vs just criticism.

I'm hopeful White can be, if almost certainly not a defender, a rebounder and garbage scorer for us in the rotation.