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Title: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Cman on February 25, 2013, 09:54:34 PM
Tom Brady signed a three year extension in what is basically a sweetheart deal for the Pats, and creates more financial flexibility for the Pats this year and going forward.

Some details here: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonnew-england-patriots&id=4740260

Enough room to sign all four of
Welker
Vollmer
Talib
Ed Reed
?

Doubtful, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 25, 2013, 09:56:42 PM
It certainly was a class act. even with the freed cap im not sure about Welker.

Rumor is Percy Harvin is available..kid is a stud
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Evantime34 on February 25, 2013, 10:02:03 PM
Miles Austin is a name I want to see us bring in. There is a rumor that Dallas will have to cut him to get under the salary cap.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Q_FBE on February 25, 2013, 10:12:40 PM
They would be wise to spend the found money on defense and run blocking.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: crownontherocks on February 25, 2013, 10:21:15 PM
Miles Austin is a name I want to see us bring in. There is a rumor that Dallas will have to cut him to get under the salary cap.


Owner Jerry Jones says the Cowboys have no plans to release Miles Austin.

Rumor is harvin could be got for a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but there saying hes looking for megatron money. Who knows if thats true
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: RebusRankin on February 25, 2013, 10:40:15 PM
Harvin with Brady throwing him the ball, wow.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: angryguy77 on February 25, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
You people keep your grubby mitts off of percy
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Kane3387 on February 25, 2013, 11:09:34 PM
Amazing. Talk about a hometown discount!!!! A true champion.

Ps I'm a redskins fan so I have no Brady bias.

You guys have SOooooooo much cap room now!!! Crazy!!!
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: PhoSita on February 25, 2013, 11:29:51 PM
This is the sort of thing that makes the Patriots the best organization in football.

Can't help wishing such a maneuver were possible in the NBA, though.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 26, 2013, 12:07:12 AM
It certainly was a class act. even with the freed cap im not sure about Welker.

Rumor is Percy Harvin is available..kid is a stud

Rumor has it the patriots and welker are working on a 5 year contract. I saw that on twitter idk how true it is. Yeah tho brady once again putting his money where his mouth is. He wants another ring more than ever and hes proving it.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 26, 2013, 12:13:40 AM
brady is such a class act. A true winner and champion, someone who only cares about the game. He has all the money in the world, he just wants to win.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Bahku on February 26, 2013, 01:28:47 AM
Really awesome move by Tom, and the motivation for his competitive spirit and work-ethic should no longer be in question. This frees up like what, fifteen mil? Love this guy.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 26, 2013, 03:08:50 AM
this makes players like drew brees look like divas when they sit out camp for contract negotiations
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Bahku on February 26, 2013, 06:59:42 AM
Man, Mike & Mike are going way out of their way this morning to make as little of this as possible ... to downplay Brady and make as many excuses for others not doing similar as they possibly can. They also made a direct comparison to Lebron being vilified for doing "the same thing" ... I mean, hello, guys, LBJ kissed off his own team and city, and that's why he was vilified ... not remotely the same thing! Greeny's anti-Patriot bias is alive and well.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: kozlodoev on February 26, 2013, 07:14:05 AM
I'm sure it's good for the team, but it's a win-win situation -- the contract is fully guaranteed.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 26, 2013, 07:26:14 AM
Tom Brady signed a three year extension in what is basically a sweetheart deal for the Pats, and creates more financial flexibility for the Pats this year and going forward.

Some details here: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonnew-england-patriots&id=4740260

Enough room to sign all four of
Welker
Vollmer
Talib
Ed Reed
?

Doubtful, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

The rumrors last night were that Welker and the pats were discussing a 5 year 40 million dollar deal, so 8 mill per year.

Bradys cap hit reduction after this new deal provides a savings to the patriots of exactly 8 million.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Donoghus on February 26, 2013, 08:13:53 AM
Great deal for the Pats & Brady. 

Now sign Welker, franchise Talib, and shore up the O-Line & secondary via free agency and resigning their own guys.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 26, 2013, 08:27:02 AM
So looking at Brady's cap hits under his past contract this was inevitbale. 

2010: 17.42 Mill
2011: 13.20 Mill
2012: 8.00 Mill
2013: 21.8 Mill
2014: 21.8 Mill

So it looks like last years salary for Brady was a bit of an albatross.  I thought this move would save the pats cap space compared to last year for brady but with his hit only being 8 million thats not the case.

So last year Brady and Welker were making a combined 17.5 Million.  After Bradys restructuring, if the 8 mill per year deal for wes were true you would have them both for 21.8 Mill a raise of 4.3 million compared to last year.  (but the same amount we would have paid brady alone prior to restructuring)

Also, in looking closer at the cap, the patriots 5th highest paid player is gotskowski at 3.4 million in 2013.  Im not sure I like that.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 26, 2013, 08:54:06 AM
Great deal for the Pats & Brady. 

Now sign Welker, franchise Talib, and shore up the O-Line & secondary via free agency and resigning their own guys.

On felger and Mazz they were saying that the pats thought they would be in position to pick from a plethora of talent in the free agent market and thought that alot of teams financial would be hurting.

The pats were already carrying over 5.8 million of cap space from last year according to John Clayton giving them a pre-brady restructure of 18.6 million to spend.  Now including the brady restructure they have 26.6 million to spend which would put them at 6th most behind

1. Cincinatti $55 Million
2. Cleveland $48.9 Million
3. Indianapolis $46 Million
4. Miami $35.8 Million
5. Tampa $31.3 Million
6. New England $26.6 Million

Aside from Indy making an unexpected run last year, Those are some pretty bad teams that NE is in there with. 

(Also I would be surprised to see teams like Cincy/Cleveland/Tampa spend to the cap.  Bob Kraft spending to the cap wouldnt surprise me)
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Cman on February 26, 2013, 09:49:36 AM
I'm sure it's good for the team, but it's a win-win situation -- the contract is fully guaranteed.

Yes, this is a good point. But didn't Brees' $100M contract have $60M guaranteed? No matter how you look at it, it is a clear win for the Pats, and a concession by Brady in order to *win*.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 26, 2013, 09:51:19 AM
I'm sure it's good for the team, but it's a win-win situation -- the contract is fully guaranteed.

Yes, this is a good point. But didn't Brees' $100M contract have $60M guaranteed? No matter how you look at it, it is a clear win for the Pats, and a concession by Brady in order to *win*.

I don't see an issue with fully guaranteeing Tom Brady his contract lol
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 26, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
One other additional piece to this is that I think Lloyd is probably gone.  He is owed 4.5 million next year and I think the pats will probably move Hernandez to that position and line up with Ballard and Gronk as the two tight ends. 
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Cman on February 26, 2013, 12:03:20 PM
One other additional piece to this is that I think Lloyd is probably gone.  He is owed 4.5 million next year and I think the pats will probably move Hernandez to that position and line up with Ballard and Gronk as the two tight ends.

If anything, though, it is now *more likely* that the Pats keep Lloyd, since the Pats now have more room.

Not saying Lloyd won't be cut, but disagree (respectfully) with your reasoning.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: crownontherocks on February 26, 2013, 12:03:58 PM

Updating previous items, Tom Brady's new five-year contract is worth $57 million with $33 million fully guaranteed.
Brady will receive $30 million in signing bonus payments over the first three seasons. His base salaries in 2013 and 2014 are now $1 million and $2 million, respectively. The contract is essentially fully guaranteed through 2015, as in 2016 the money Brady is owed becomes guaranteed for injury only. It's possible that the Patriots could approach Brady about another restructure after that point. For now, they have the future Hall of Famer under control through 2017 at an incredibly team- and cap-friendly rate.

Source: ESPN Boston
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 26, 2013, 12:14:00 PM
One other additional piece to this is that I think Lloyd is probably gone.  He is owed 4.5 million next year and I think the pats will probably move Hernandez to that position and line up with Ballard and Gronk as the two tight ends.

If anything, though, it is now *more likely* that the Pats keep Lloyd, since the Pats now have more room.

Not saying Lloyd won't be cut, but disagree (respectfully) with your reasoning.

I always thought it was lloyd or welker coming back.  And I think brady took the cheap deal to keep welker which makes lloyd the odd man out.  Thats where im coming from haha.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Donoghus on February 26, 2013, 12:15:07 PM
One other additional piece to this is that I think Lloyd is probably gone.  He is owed 4.5 million next year and I think the pats will probably move Hernandez to that position and line up with Ballard and Gronk as the two tight ends.


If anything, though, it is now *more likely* that the Pats keep Lloyd, since the Pats now have more room.

Not saying Lloyd won't be cut, but disagree (respectfully) with your reasoning.

I agree with Rondo on this.  Unless Lloyd renegotiates his contract to lower the cap hit, I think he's gone.  They're not going to want to tie up that much money with that production.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: kozlodoev on February 26, 2013, 12:26:40 PM
One other additional piece to this is that I think Lloyd is probably gone.  He is owed 4.5 million next year and I think the pats will probably move Hernandez to that position and line up with Ballard and Gronk as the two tight ends.


I agree with Rondo on this.  Unless Lloyd renegotiates his contract to lower the cap hit, I think he's gone.  They're not going to want to tie up that much money with that production.
If anything, though, it is now *more likely* that the Pats keep Lloyd, since the Pats now have more room.

Not saying Lloyd won't be cut, but disagree (respectfully) with your reasoning.

Coincidentally, Beddard put out a piece today saying Pats are "tired of Lloyd's erratic behavior in the locker room" -- whatever that's supposed to mean.

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2013/02/26/greg-bedard-on-dc-most-people-would-like-to-move-on-from-brandon-lloyd/
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 26, 2013, 12:30:38 PM
One other additional piece to this is that I think Lloyd is probably gone.  He is owed 4.5 million next year and I think the pats will probably move Hernandez to that position and line up with Ballard and Gronk as the two tight ends.


I agree with Rondo on this.  Unless Lloyd renegotiates his contract to lower the cap hit, I think he's gone.  They're not going to want to tie up that much money with that production.
If anything, though, it is now *more likely* that the Pats keep Lloyd, since the Pats now have more room.

Not saying Lloyd won't be cut, but disagree (respectfully) with your reasoning.

Coincidentally, Beddard put out a piece today saying Pats are "tired of Lloyd's erratic behavior in the locker room" -- whatever that's supposed to mean.

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2013/02/26/greg-bedard-on-dc-most-people-would-like-to-move-on-from-brandon-lloyd/

Hmm that is interesting.  FWIW I think Lloyd was fine last year.  I think he produced well especially compared to other receivers they had brought in. 

I think if his salary this year stayed consistant with last year he would be welcomed back open arms.  I think the raise is what triggers the Partriots "Value-meter"
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: kozlodoev on February 26, 2013, 12:42:05 PM
Lloyd tended to have those games in which he would disappear completely -- though I think this was more of a function of the fact that others stepped up, and Brady can go with the same guy 20 times on 20 snaps if he thinks it works.

I don't think I was ever concerned how Lloyd not making a play was killing us.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: connor on February 26, 2013, 12:58:21 PM
One other additional piece to this is that I think Lloyd is probably gone.  He is owed 4.5 million next year and I think the pats will probably move Hernandez to that position and line up with Ballard and Gronk as the two tight ends.


If anything, though, it is now *more likely* that the Pats keep Lloyd, since the Pats now have more room.

Not saying Lloyd won't be cut, but disagree (respectfully) with your reasoning.

I agree with Rondo on this.  Unless Lloyd renegotiates his contract to lower the cap hit, I think he's gone.  They're not going to want to tie up that much money with that production.
I don't see them cutting Lloyd. I'd give it a 5% chance max and only because Bill has been known to surprise me. Lloyd showed inconsistent flashes of the player that they expected him to be, but you have to give him at least another full off-season and see if he meshes with Brady more. He has the talent, knows the playbook and is the ONLY WR on our roster right now. His cap hit isn't that bad compared to what to his output last season and I only expect him to get better.
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Cman on February 26, 2013, 03:38:06 PM
One other additional piece to this is that I think Lloyd is probably gone.  He is owed 4.5 million next year and I think the pats will probably move Hernandez to that position and line up with Ballard and Gronk as the two tight ends.


If anything, though, it is now *more likely* that the Pats keep Lloyd, since the Pats now have more room.

Not saying Lloyd won't be cut, but disagree (respectfully) with your reasoning.

I agree with Rondo on this.  Unless Lloyd renegotiates his contract to lower the cap hit, I think he's gone.  They're not going to want to tie up that much money with that production.

I agree that Lloyd is likely to be cut. I don't agree that Brady's new contract makes him "more likely" to be cut. All else equal, it should be the other way around.

But, I see Rondo's follow up point: namely, if Brady didn't renegotiate, Pats would keep Lloyd and let go Welker. Now that Brady renegotiated, Pats more likely to keep Welker, hence less need for Lloyd.

Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 26, 2013, 06:09:25 PM
Anybody else here not sold on using our cap space to resign vollmer?  I just feel like he is always hurt and some of the money that I have been reading about for him doesnt seem worth it when you consider how often Cannon was already playing for him
Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: Donoghus on February 26, 2013, 07:04:24 PM
Anybody else here not sold on using our cap space to resign vollmer?  I just feel like he is always hurt and some of the money that I have been reading about for him doesnt seem worth it when you consider how often Cannon was already playing for him

I think Vollmer, Lloyd, and Chung are gone.  I think Welker, Woodhead, and Talib come back.

Title: Re: Tom Brady extension
Post by: connor on February 27, 2013, 04:12:32 AM
Anybody else here not sold on using our cap space to resign vollmer?  I just feel like he is always hurt and some of the money that I have been reading about for him doesnt seem worth it when you consider how often Cannon was already playing for him
I don't know if Cannon is ready to take over, I always imagined him moving to the interior given his style and size, but I'm definitely not sold resigning Vollmer. I'm not against it, but I think Dante has done an amazing job keeping our o-line playing at such a high level even with all the moving pieces. And our defense needs far more work than the offense. Spending the money there (corner/safety/coverage lb) would probably make more of an impact.