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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Bankshot on February 25, 2013, 09:58:44 AM
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I don't think our record is good enough to play the "rest over record" game. Doc could coach them right out of a playoff spot. I know they played Phoenix well without KG, but I don't see how you can expect them to keep winning without KG's presence. This is not the year to use rest over record when you barely have a playoff spot now. :-\
Thoughts?
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We're good... There's teams below us who suck, as the NBA is so watered-down that even losing 3 of our players means we're still better than most. THAT is a sad fact...
We're stuck in position #7 and readying to bow out in round 1 against a strong Pacers team that just got their key guy back...
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We're not missing the playoffs.
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KG needs his rest regardless of if we make playoffs or not. He looks old out there an down the stretch we need ball movement and young athletes to back him up. He looks very old, and very tired. If he physically can't give us 100 percent then he needs to rest.
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I don't know. There isn't much of a challenge for the 9th-10th place teams.
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If we don't use this strategy we are going to get swept in the first round if we get in. It is a risk resting players but I think it will be worth the reward because I don't expect Milwaukee and another team to pass us.
If someone could give me some teams behind us we should be worried about then I will start to worry about us not making the playoffs, but until then.
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Maybe we miss the playoffs and get lucky like the Bulls with Rose :)
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We are making the playoffs, with worst case scenario being a 1st round exit against the Heat.
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No one beneath the Celtics in the East right now scare me. I don't see any of them making a real charge at us.
Barring anymore injuries, this team is basically a lock for the playoffs.
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The problem is that the rest thing is an issue in the regular season too.
Guys have looked gassed some of these games lately. And we're on the road so much.
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No one beneath the Celtics in the East right now scare me. I don't see any of them making a real charge at us.
Barring anymore injuries, this team is basically a lock for the playoffs.
They basically aren't. I think they will make the playoffs but we're far from a LOCK. We're probably just good enough to get in then. Can't believe I even have to say that. *Sigh*
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Boston has a 6 game lead for the last spot and they aren't being chased by a team like the Lakers. Boston is not missing the playoffs
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I don't think our record is good enough to play the "rest over record" game. Doc could coach them right out of a playoff spot. I know they played Phoenix well without KG, but I don't see how you can expect them to keep winning without KG's presence. This is not the year to use rest over record when you barely have a playoff spot now. :-\
Thoughts?
Risk of not going to Playoffs is evident if the team has a score close to .500, and when the team lose to games like yesterday or like games VS Bobcats. I see theta this team is more focused if they play great teams, and is less focused if they play medium or low level teams. Seemed to me that the team looks tired. Do not forget that the team did not get any good alternatives to replace 3 guys who are injured right now
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Disagree...if anything he should be resting the old farts more and might as well have sat kg again last night and just run the blazers off the court
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Celtics are up six games in the loss column over 9th place Toronto with 26 games to go. They'd have to fail spectacularly to miss the playoffs. Unless they fill the final two roster spots with Josh Beckett and John Lackey, they should be fine.
The Celtics are the definition of a middling NBA team - horrible on the road, vulnerable to late game losses, and decent at home. Get used to it, because that's how this regular season should play out.
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If we are hoping for a potential showdown with Miami in the conference finals...the key is to finish with the 6th or 7th seed. Rest the players just enough to not make the 4,5 seed and play them just enough to avoid the 8th. And give our newbies some playing time in the process to get ready for the playoffs.
If we miss the playoffs doing this, then we really were not that good to make any noise in may anyway so we might as well go lotto.
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Yup, totally agree with the OP.
It's not like the teams in the standings below us are going to just resign and say "hey, we'll just lose to make sure the Celtics get into the playoffs."
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Rest ur old guys, get your young guys experience. This is the difference between popovich and rivers. Hopefully doc gets it
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I honestly can't see the Celtics not making the playoffs. Barring any more injuries, I don't think Toronto or Philly are going to be able to challenge for the 8th seed. The Bucks have a chance to leapfrog us and avoid the Heat in the first round, but other than that the Celtics are looking good to make it.
There is no point pushing our vets so hard that when the playoffs come around we don't have enough left in the tank to put up any fight. Doc has no choice but to try to rest them whenever he gets a chance to put some life back in their legs if they want to give anyone a series. The most important thing is that he has to pick his spots.
I wouldn't be surprised if we saw another San Antonio situation where Doc just hands the other team the game resting our vets and taking the fine in the second game of one of the 6 or so back to back series we have left. At least he and Danny would get a better chance to evaluate some of the new guys we are bringing in on 10 days with some legit court time.
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Rest ur old guys, get your young guys experience. This is the difference between popovich and rivers. Hopefully doc gets it
he does not
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No way we're missing the playoffs in this EC. But our priority has to be 7th, better 6th seed to avoid possibly meeting the Heat in the first two rounds.
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I think Doc is trying to win games but with our age it's hard. I do not seeing us making a lot of noise this year, we don't have the depth without some bigs added.
The honeymoon could be over maybe the league has adjusted to our Rondoless schmes and plays.
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I wonder what people think in terms of strategy:
should we rest a star veteran against a bad team (ie. Bobcats) and hope the rest get the win?
or should we instead rest 2 or 3 guys against a really good team (Spurs/Thunder) and just concede the loss (or maybe have a freakish win to rally around)?
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I wonder what people think in terms of strategy:
should we rest a star veteran against a bad team (ie. Bobcats) and hope the rest get the win?
or should we instead rest 2 or 3 guys against a really good team (Spurs/Thunder) and just concede the loss (or maybe have a freakish win to rally around)?
Rest stars against bad teams, it gives confidence to bench players who will be featured in a larger role and succeed against poor competition.
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If Toronto Cleveland Detriot and Philly all play over
700 ball the rest of the way, we won't make the playoffs. I really don't foresee that happening. They all need to move the cut line to the right.
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I wonder what people think in terms of strategy:
should we rest a star veteran against a bad team (ie. Bobcats) and hope the rest get the win?
or should we instead rest 2 or 3 guys against a really good team (Spurs/Thunder) and just concede the loss (or maybe have a freakish win to rally around)?
Rest stars against bad teams, it gives confidence to bench players who will be featured in a larger role and succeed against poor competition.
You have to take it game by game. I don't think you can decide you're resting your vets only against bad teams or against good teams. If they need rest you've got to find some for them regardless of who you're playing.
That is unless Toronto or Philly makes an unexpected push. Then I'd say make sure you're best roster is out there to get you the win and you can cede games to better opponents you probably would lose to with tired legs anyway.
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The Celtics have been too decimated by injuries to truly contend this season. With Rondo and Sullinger back next season, the Celtics have a legitimate chance to be a contender. Doc should think long-term and not completely run Garnett and Pierce into the ground trying to squeak in the playoffs to ensure they are still capable of contributing next season.
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Here's what worries and I am surprised no one has brought this up.
Didn't we just have the All-Star Break? Hence, didn't the Celtics have 6 days off to rest between the Chicago game on Feb 13 and the Denver game on Feb 19?
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The Celtics have been too decimated by injuries to truly contend this season. With Rondo and Sullinger back next season, the Celtics have a legitimate chance to be a contender. Doc should think long-term and not completely run Garnett and Pierce into the ground trying to squeak in the playoffs to ensure they are still capable of contributing next season.
I really wouldn't want to see this team come back with the same roster next year. This will be year 7 of the "3 year KG era."
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The Celtics have been too decimated by injuries to truly contend this season. With Rondo and Sullinger back next season, the Celtics have a legitimate chance to be a contender. Doc should think long-term and not completely run Garnett and Pierce into the ground trying to squeak in the playoffs to ensure they are still capable of contributing next season.
You can't start coaching with next season in mind already. Part of the reason they stood pat at the trade deadline was because they like the roster they have now. I don't honestly think that the Celtics have a legitimate chance at winning it all this season, but if you're going to decide to hold off on moving your vets while they still could bring back some decent assets to make another run of it before they retire, you better make the most of the time they are still going to be on the court. Besides even if Doc held them both out for say 7 or 8 games out of the next 26 how much of a difference is that going to make next year? I'd say none. Rest em now so they have enough in the tank to compete come playoff time and worry about next year next year.
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I wonder what people think in terms of strategy:
should we rest a star veteran against a bad team (ie. Bobcats) and hope the rest get the win?
or should we instead rest 2 or 3 guys against a really good team (Spurs/Thunder) and just concede the loss (or maybe have a freakish win to rally around)?
Rest stars against bad teams, it gives confidence to bench players who will be featured in a larger role and succeed against poor competition.
I'd rather just concede the loss to a team that will likely beat us anyway then potentially lose a game we can't afford to lose. You can always pull KG and PP in the 4th quarter against the bad teams if you have lead and just get them some rest that way.
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I don't think our record is good enough to play the "rest over record" game. Doc could coach them right out of a playoff spot. I know they played Phoenix well without KG, but I don't see how you can expect them to keep winning without KG's presence. This is not the year to use rest over record when you barely have a playoff spot now. :-\
Thoughts?
i think this is a valid concern. we cant just make the playoffs, we have to avoid a potential first round matchup with the heat as well imo.
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I'm down with anything better than the 8th seed.
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I really don't think it matters whether Doc rests Pierce and KG or not. This team is going to lose two out of three road games, and win most of it's games at home, at it limps to the playoffs.
I don't see how this flawed roster is going to go on a late season run like last year. They have no PG, little to no inside presence, and unless PP and KG play and shoot well, have no chance of winning against all but the worst NBA teams.
Maybe DJ White comes in and controls the paint for 26 minutes a night, and maybe T Will and J Craw start playing at the top of their game and maybe Jeff Green continues his strong February play for the rest of the year. Maybe AB becomes a consistent offensive threat, and figures out how to actually set up a teammate once in a while. Maybe CLee and JET start lighting it up from the outside, and Wilcox plays with a high motor the rest of the way without getting hurt. Maybe Bass stops playing like a scrub at both ends of the floor.
If most or all of these things happen, the Cs could become something like last year's team - rampaging through the last quarter of the season, and then being a difficult playoff out. Fromm what I've seen so far this year, I'm not going to hold my breath.
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I really don't think it matters whether Doc rests Pierce and KG or not. This team is going to lose two out of three road games, and win most of it's games at home, at it limps to the playoffs.
I don't see how this flawed roster is going to go on a late season run like last year. They have no PG, little to no inside presence, and unless PP and KG play and shoot well, have no chance of winning against all but the worst NBA teams.
Maybe DJ White comes in and controls the paint for 26 minutes a night, and maybe T Will and J Craw start playing at the top of their game and maybe Jeff Green continues his strong February play for the rest of the year. Maybe AB becomes a consistent offensive threat, and figures out how to actually set up a teammate once in a while. Maybe CLee and JET start lighting it up from the outside, and Wilcox plays with a high motor the rest of the way without getting hurt. Maybe Bass stops playing like a scrub at both ends of the floor.
If most or all of these things happen, the Cs could become something like last year's team - rampaging through the last quarter of the season, and then being a difficult playoff out. Fromm what I've seen so far this year, I'm not going to hold my breath.
I think after last year, we can all hope. Even a 1% chance is enough for me.
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We'll be fine...I'm ok with Doc's new priority.
Just get to April healthy and rested...for me, even if we slide to the 8th spot, I'm good - as a matter of fact, I WANT the 8th spot, myself.
Why fool ourselves?
Both BOS AND MIA know this is inevitable, so why not get it on in April?
Either we both slug it out through tough playoff series with CHI, Indy, NY, BKN, ATL, etc - or we just play in the 1st round.
Let's just cut to the chase.
And for those who are not giving us a shot vs MIA...look, I know it will be extremely tough, but just take a gander:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lakSEK-edQ
It's been done before.
Let's just get together while both teams are rested and healthy.
Can you imagine the pandemonium IF BOS beats MIA, lol? It took a HUUUGE effort from LeBron in Game 6 to put us away.
We were closer than we think.
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We'll be fine...I'm ok with Doc's new priority.
Just get to April healthy and rested...for me, even if we slide to the 8th spot, I'm good - as a matter of fact, I WANT the 8th spot, myself.
Why fool ourselves?
Both BOS AND MIA know this is inevitable, so why not get it on in April?
Either we both slug it out through tough playoff series with CHI, Indy, NY, BKN, ATL, etc - or we just play in the 1st round.
Let's just cut to the chase.
And for those who are not giving us a shot vs MIA...look, I know it will be extremely tough, but just take a gander:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lakSEK-edQ
It's been done before.
Let's just get together while both teams are rested and healthy.
Can you imagine the pandemonium IF BOS beats MIA, lol? It took a HUUUGE effort from LeBron in Game 6 to put us away.
We were closer than we think.
you know, the more I think about it the more I buy into this way of thinking.
not saying we'd win but why waste all our energy fighting through different teams to get to Miami?
let's go in rested up and healthy as possible and give it all we got.