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Title: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: TitleMaster on February 24, 2013, 11:30:58 PM
I think it's pretty clear that both PP & KG have enough money to last 'em the rest of their respective lifetimes. At this point, they should be looking more at residual income, like owning franchise businesses, dividend stock in utility companies, etc, than in expecting the C's to pay 'em an exorbitant salary.

Thus, they should accept the fact that they're no longer spring chickens & re-sign with the C's at Vet's minimum. Let Ainge sign some big contract players, and then, provide that veteran's presence off the bench, and go for a few more titles between ages 36 and 41. I think this retirement idea is nonsense, Parish, Kareem, Miller, and Stockton played into their 40s. PP and KG can do the same.


Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on February 24, 2013, 11:33:38 PM
I love the idea of this, but come on. That is over a year away from even consideration.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: LooseCannon on February 24, 2013, 11:33:43 PM
I want a pony.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 24, 2013, 11:34:19 PM
I think it's pretty clear that both PP & KG have enough money to last 'em the rest of their respective lifetimes. At this point, they should be looking more at residual income, like owning franchise businesses, dividend stock in utility companies, etc, than in expecting the C's to pay 'em an exorbitant salary.

Thus, they should accept the fact that they're no longer spring chickens & re-sign with the C's at Vet's minimum. Let Ainge sign some big contract players, and then, provide that veteran's presence off the bench, and go for a few more titles between ages 36 and 41. I think this retirement idea is nonsense, Parish, Kareem, Miller, and Stockton played into their 40s. PP and KG can do the same.

Lets stop the nonsense
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: Fafnir on February 24, 2013, 11:41:01 PM
The C's agreed to pay them their current contracts, they don't owe the organization anything to play at veteran's minimum. If they start playing as veteran's minimum level I'd expect them both to retire.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 24, 2013, 11:42:17 PM
That would mean Pierce and KG are stupid.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: saltlover on February 24, 2013, 11:45:45 PM
I think it's pretty clear that both PP & KG have enough money to last 'em the rest of their respective lifetimes. At this point, they should be looking more at residual income, like owning franchise businesses, dividend stock in utility companies, etc, than in expecting the C's to pay 'em an exorbitant salary.

Thus, they should accept the fact that they're no longer spring chickens & re-sign with the C's at Vet's minimum. Let Ainge sign some big contract players, and then, provide that veteran's presence off the bench, and go for a few more titles between ages 36 and 41. I think this retirement idea is nonsense, Parish, Kareem, Miller, and Stockton played into their 40s. PP and KG can do the same.

That's nice.  We all want things that will never happen.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: syfy9 on February 25, 2013, 12:16:26 AM
I think it's pretty clear that both PP & KG have enough money to last 'em the rest of their respective lifetimes. At this point, they should be looking more at residual income, like owning franchise businesses, dividend stock in utility companies, etc, than in expecting the C's to pay 'em an exorbitant salary.

Thus, they should accept the fact that they're no longer spring chickens & re-sign with the C's at Vet's minimum. Let Ainge sign some big contract players, and then, provide that veteran's presence off the bench, and go for a few more titles between ages 36 and 41. I think this retirement idea is nonsense, Parish, Kareem, Miller, and Stockton played into their 40s. PP and KG can do the same.

Name 1 star player that has done this; take the vet minimum for the betterment of the team.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 25, 2013, 12:41:42 AM
I want to retire. However, Im only 25.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: ozman on February 25, 2013, 03:25:42 AM
I want a pony.
If u get a pony, I wawn a pony
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: beklog on February 25, 2013, 03:50:26 AM
I want a pony.

here you go buddy...
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u41/lunamoth25/My%20Little%20Pony%20Customs/100_1620.jpg)
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: connor on February 25, 2013, 12:44:08 PM
This is stupid. But..

If I ignore the Vet's minimum part and just look at the concept of PP and KG playing well after this season for significantly less money, I can see that as an option. Most guys like to ride off into the sunset after their careers' have tailed off and they can't play at anywhere near the same level anymore, but I could definitely see KG (and maybe Pierce) playing beyond his contract simply because of the love and intensity he has for the game.

If they are willing to take on the physical toll of playing an nba season, then why wouldn't they be interested in playing past their prime. They've both proven enough to solidify their legacies and I don't envision it as one of those cases where its almost sad because the guy doesn't know when to hang it up because they would naturally be taking on significantly smaller roles. Now this wouldn't be for anything near the Vet's minimum, that its totally unrealistic, but if they would take on mid level contracts that you would give to a vet role player (like Terry's for example) why not? Make millions to play the game you love and be on a team that would then potentially have enough cap space to be at the very least an interesting playoff contender. I'd do it.

I don't see it as a realistic possibility, but its nice to dream. Enjoy your pony.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: cons on February 25, 2013, 01:06:00 PM
i want the vet maximum!
:)
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: ssspence on February 25, 2013, 01:34:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f6l1QljpMo (ftp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f6l1QljpMo)
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: droopdog7 on February 25, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
Um, ignoring how outrageous the thougt is, is this even an option under the CBA?
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: Donoghus on February 25, 2013, 01:55:30 PM
Umm...yeah.  That's not gonna happen.

Plus, athletes have a relatively small window for earnings.  Why jeopardize that for the veteran's minimum if they could get more elsewhere?  They really don't owe it to anyone if they just settled for the vet's minium. 

Yes, I understand that these guys makes millions upon millions of dollars but still, make the big bucks when you can.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: saltlover on February 25, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
Um, ignoring how outrageous the thougt is, is this even an option under the CBA?

No.  You cannot renegotiate your contract to a lower salary, unless its to lessen a trade kicker, an then only if the kicker makes the trade impossible for cap purposes.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: colincb on February 25, 2013, 04:52:02 PM
I want a unicorn.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 25, 2013, 04:59:05 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: slamtheking on February 25, 2013, 05:06:30 PM
I want to win the Powerball jackpot.

I want world peace.

I want free courtside Celtics tickets. 

I think those 3 options are just as likely to occur as what you want.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 25, 2013, 05:09:59 PM

Do you guys ever think about how awesome your company would be if you and your co-workers worked for free?

Yeah, me neither.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: TripleOT on February 25, 2013, 05:51:57 PM
I don't mean to speak for the OP, but I would think that he meant - after their contracts are up. 

I have a feeling that Pierce will be at least a $5m player the summer of 2014, assuming the Cs don't make him a FA this  summer. 

If he gets cut loose this summer and hits the market for the 2014 season, I don't know why a team close to a title like OKC or Brooklyn, wouldn't throw at least a MLE deal at him to be a Manu-style 6th man.

However, if the Cs are title contenders when PP hits free agency again, and he's feeling benevolent, it would be wonderful if he played for the vetmin if that meant the Cs could use salary cap room for a player or two to put the team over the top. 

The last future HOFer to play for the vetmin was Shaq here in Boston.  Unfortunately, it didn't work out due to his injuries, but good players signing value contracts are important to championship caliber teams (Miami with battier and RA at $3m per, for example), and certainly will be even more important in the future with this new CBA and the draconian luxtax penalties.

If PP and KG want to ring chase with Boston in their golden years for chump change, I'm all for it, but I don't see that happening.  Pro athletes, especially the stars, expect to get compensated for their services.  And that's the way it should be.   
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 25, 2013, 06:51:17 PM
NBA is all about it takes a village ,  I say let them 'PLAY FOR FREE'....ITS THE ONLY SOCIAL CORRECT THING TO DO.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: ItStaysYang on February 25, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
And I'd like a hot fudge sundae
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: LooseCannon on February 25, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
I want world peace.

I don't.  He can stay a Laker.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: Q_FBE on February 25, 2013, 10:18:21 PM
They can make more money as Celtic consultants.
Title: Re: I want both Pierce and KG to re-sign at Vet's minimum
Post by: TitleMaster on February 25, 2013, 10:22:00 PM
I don't mean to speak for the OP, but I would think that he meant - after their contracts are up. 

I have a feeling that Pierce will be at least a $5m player the summer of 2014, assuming the Cs don't make him a FA this  summer. 

If he gets cut loose this summer and hits the market for the 2014 season, I don't know why a team close to a title like OKC or Brooklyn, wouldn't throw at least a MLE deal at him to be a Manu-style 6th man.

However, if the Cs are title contenders when PP hits free agency again, and he's feeling benevolent, it would be wonderful if he played for the vetmin if that meant the Cs could use salary cap room for a player or two to put the team over the top. 

The last future HOFer to play for the vetmin was Shaq here in Boston.  Unfortunately, it didn't work out due to his injuries, but good players signing value contracts are important to championship caliber teams (Miami with battier and RA at $3m per, for example), and certainly will be even more important in the future with this new CBA and the draconian luxtax penalties.

If PP and KG want to ring chase with Boston in their golden years for chump change, I'm all for it, but I don't see that happening.  Pro athletes, especially the stars, expect to get compensated for their services.  And that's the way it should be.

Yes, I'm talking about after their current contracts are done.

And to those who compare playing professional B-ball to corporate America... there's no comparison. I'd drop working for the man, in a heartbeat, if some hedge fund were to offer me $600K/yr with $1M to $5M annual bonuses. I'd work for a few years and then, retire to the Caribbean. I'd never think about work again. There are plenty of online courses and hobbies which can hold my interest from here till eternity. Working for corporate America isn't one of them.

Playing NBA B-ball is like being paid to paint, to play music, to write novels, or simply to do charity work, without having to worry about your next meal. So PP and KG can offer championships to the C's. And why would they do that, after their contracts are up? For the sake of pride and being in the category with Russell, Hondo, Bird, and McHale, being on Red's franchise for one's whole career and delivering all that one can for it. Money is only meaningful, up until the first 50 or so million. KG would have banked $300M+ and Pierce, some $160M+, when it's all said and done. C'mon, if they can't generate a passive income stream from all that, then they really need to contact me to help 'em manage their finances  ;)