What realistic player(s) or package(s) would you deal Rondo for?
Trade deadline passed. Can't we put these threads on hold till at least the summer?
Trade deadline passed. Can't we put these threads on hold till at least the summer?
Yeah. It's too late anyways.
What realistic player(s) or package(s) would you deal Rondo for?Still, my preference would be to hold off on any talk of trading Rondo until he actually plays some NBA games again.
A quality young big, such as Cousins. There are several who meet that criteria.
I would also work hard once Rondo's health is confirmed to move him. Can't rebuild successfully around his style of play.
A top ten player or someone who has the potential to be a top ten player someday.Yup, you have to get either an old MVP/all-nba caliber guy. (KG when we got him Or a young guy who can get there.
Someone who is youngish. Under 30. Preferably 27 or under.
A top ten player or someone who has the potential to be a top ten player someday.
Someone who is youngish. Under 30. Preferably 27 or under.
Ainge seems to have a ridiculously high price tag for Rondo (even when injured)so this prevents any realistic moves in my opinion.
I dunno, but asking for Dwight Howard when the your PG is injured is kinda ridiculous. Even if Rondo is healthy, most don't trade bigs for small. Doesn't really makes sense for the Lakers(and I despise them) at all in my opinion. Also he wanted a Melo (the Denver-NY trade) type of haul. Again that is quite ridiculous if Rondo is injured and questionable for next season. Most trades teams would do for Rondo, Ainge seems to scoff at.Ainge seems to have a ridiculously high price tag for Rondo (even when injured)so this prevents any realistic moves in my opinion.
Or, Ainge has a realistic price tag and all realistic moves fail to bring back appropriate value.
A quality young big, such as Cousins. There are several who meet that criteria.
I would also work hard once Rondo's health is confirmed to move him. Can't rebuild successfully around his style of play.
Do not trade Rondo.
You are crazy if you trade him. The roster we have right now is designed for Rondo to run.
We are moving away from the halfcourt skill set of the Big 3 era into a more uptempo style of offense.
Rondo can do both, but he can't not the afore mentioned with 3 aging (now 2) skilled players.
Trading Rondo now would be a huge mistake.
A top ten player or someone who has the potential to be a top ten player someday.so basically you would trade rondo for rondo
Someone who is youngish. Under 30. Preferably 27 or under.
I dunno, but asking for Dwight Howard when the your PG is injured is kinda ridiculous. Even if Rondo is healthy, most don't trade bigs for small. Doesn't really makes sense for the Lakers(and I despise them) at all in my opinion. Also he wanted a Melo (the Denver-NY trade) type of haul. Again that is quite ridiculous if Rondo is injured and questionable for next season. Most trades teams would do for Rondo, Ainge seems to scoff at.Ainge seems to have a ridiculously high price tag for Rondo (even when injured)so this prevents any realistic moves in my opinion.
Or, Ainge has a realistic price tag and all realistic moves fail to bring back appropriate value.
You can preach "don't always believe what you hear," but the fact of the matter is that Danny has admitted trying to cash in Rondo for other -- sometimes better pieces -- and I think he tried to this year as well. That says a lot regarding his belief that the system will work in real life.
Do not trade Rondo.
You are crazy if you trade him. The roster we have right now is designed for Rondo to run.
We are moving away from the halfcourt skill set of the Big 3 era into a more uptempo style of offense.
Rondo can do both, but he can't not the afore mentioned with 3 aging (now 2) skilled players.
Trading Rondo now would be a huge mistake.
It depends if Rondo "changes" so to speak. Danny Ainge had a pretty good point at the beginning of the year; he said that a big problem with the team's stagnating offense was that the players completely depended on Rondo. That could be Doc's system, Rondo's presence or a little of both. He said when Jeff Green used to rip down rebounds for example, he'd immediately look for Rondo instead of pushing it up. He offered a suggestion: for Rondo to sprint up the floor when his forwards snatched the rebound, forcing the rebounder to push the ball up the floor and find Rondo in stride rather than have him race down the court and leave his teammates in the dust.
This is an easy suggestion and one that, at first glance, you would think Rondo would accept. As hard as it is to believe that a guy who passes all the time is selfish and cares too much about stats, that may be who Rondo is. That makes this style of play, which you claim was catered for Rondo and should therefore work, inoperable.
You can preach "don't always believe what you hear," but the fact of the matter is that Danny has admitted trying to cash in Rondo for other -- sometimes better pieces -- and I think he tried to this year as well. That says a lot regarding his belief that the system will work in real life.
Taking our current roster into consideration, at a quick glance I'd go after someone like Al Jefferson or Al Horford, with the assumption that we're in win now mode, and KG returns next year.
Give me some Al!
Do not trade Rondo.
You are crazy if you trade him. The roster we have right now is designed for Rondo to run.
We are moving away from the halfcourt skill set of the Big 3 era into a more uptempo style of offense.
Rondo can do both, but he can't not the afore mentioned with 3 aging (now 2) skilled players.
Trading Rondo now would be a huge mistake.
It depends if Rondo "changes" so to speak. Danny Ainge had a pretty good point at the beginning of the year; he said that a big problem with the team's stagnating offense was that the players completely depended on Rondo. That could be Doc's system, Rondo's presence or a little of both. He said when Jeff Green used to rip down rebounds for example, he'd immediately look for Rondo instead of pushing it up. He offered a suggestion: for Rondo to sprint up the floor when his forwards snatched the rebound, forcing the rebounder to push the ball up the floor and find Rondo in stride rather than have him race down the court and leave his teammates in the dust.
This is an easy suggestion and one that, at first glance, you would think Rondo would accept. As hard as it is to believe that a guy who passes all the time is selfish and cares too much about stats, that may be who Rondo is. That makes this style of play, which you claim was catered for Rondo and should therefore work, inoperable.
You can preach "don't always believe what you hear," but the fact of the matter is that Danny has admitted trying to cash in Rondo for other -- sometimes better pieces -- and I think he tried to this year as well. That says a lot regarding his belief that the system will work in real life.
Taking our current roster into consideration, at a quick glance I'd go after someone like Al Jefferson or Al Horford, with the assumption that we're in win now mode, and KG returns next year.
Give me some Al!
Lol
Big Al is a loser and doesn't fit our current roster a lick
Yes, but the Lakers rather take that risk their own selves which is why they are adamant about not trading Dwight at this point. My point is, though, Rondo could have already been traded, but I think Ainge hikes the price up beyond what a team is realistically wanting to give up. And it's not just Rondo (but Pierce, Ray, etc.).I dunno, but asking for Dwight Howard when the your PG is injured is kinda ridiculous. Even if Rondo is healthy, most don't trade bigs for small. Doesn't really makes sense for the Lakers(and I despise them) at all in my opinion. Also he wanted a Melo (the Denver-NY trade) type of haul. Again that is quite ridiculous if Rondo is injured and questionable for next season. Most trades teams would do for Rondo, Ainge seems to scoff at.Ainge seems to have a ridiculously high price tag for Rondo (even when injured)so this prevents any realistic moves in my opinion.
Or, Ainge has a realistic price tag and all realistic moves fail to bring back appropriate value.
The only way it makes sense for the Lakers to trade Dwight Howard is if he says there is no way he will return to the team. Arguably, Rondo in that case is more than the Lakers deserve and only makes sense from the Celtics' perspective if that were the only way to make a trade work under the salary cap.
Since teams sometimes overpay, it makes sense for Ainge to shoot for a high goal. It's a stupid strategy for a GM to try to make fair, even trades. You might end up there as a compromise, but it's bad negotiating to start out with a moderate demand.
A top ten player or someone who has the potential to be a top ten player someday.so basically you would trade rondo for rondo
Someone who is youngish. Under 30. Preferably 27 or under.
Taking our current roster into consideration, at a quick glance I'd go after someone like Al Jefferson or Al Horford, with the assumption that we're in win now mode, and KG returns next year.
Give me some Al!
Lol
Big Al is a loser and doesn't fit our current roster a lick
Rondo would be a loser too in Minnesota and Utah.
I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
Do not trade Rondo.
You are crazy if you trade him. The roster we have right now is designed for Rondo to run.
We are moving away from the halfcourt skill set of the Big 3 era into a more uptempo style of offense.
Rondo can do both, but he can't not the afore mentioned with 3 aging (now 2) skilled players.
Trading Rondo now would be a huge mistake.
It depends if Rondo "changes" so to speak. Danny Ainge had a pretty good point at the beginning of the year; he said that a big problem with the team's stagnating offense was that the players completely depended on Rondo. That could be Doc's system, Rondo's presence or a little of both. He said when Jeff Green used to rip down rebounds for example, he'd immediately look for Rondo instead of pushing it up. He offered a suggestion: for Rondo to sprint up the floor when his forwards snatched the rebound, forcing the rebounder to push the ball up the floor and find Rondo in stride rather than have him race down the court and leave his teammates in the dust.
This is an easy suggestion and one that, at first glance, you would think Rondo would accept. As hard as it is to believe that a guy who passes all the time is selfish and cares too much about stats, that may be who Rondo is. That makes this style of play, which you claim was catered for Rondo and should therefore work, inoperable.
Most of the time, when one of our guys get a rebound, you can see Rondo running up the court while signaling for an outlet pass. Most of the time the transition failed to materialize it was due to the lack of an outlet pass, not because Rondo slowed the play down.You can preach "don't always believe what you hear," but the fact of the matter is that Danny has admitted trying to cash in Rondo for other -- sometimes better pieces -- and I think he tried to this year as well. That says a lot regarding his belief that the system will work in real life.
The fact of the matter is that Danny discussed trading Rondo for Paul. Everything else is just rumor.
Do not trade Rondo.
You are crazy if you trade him. The roster we have right now is designed for Rondo to run.
We are moving away from the halfcourt skill set of the Big 3 era into a more uptempo style of offense.
Rondo can do both, but he can't not the afore mentioned with 3 aging (now 2) skilled players.
Trading Rondo now would be a huge mistake.
It depends if Rondo "changes" so to speak. Danny Ainge had a pretty good point at the beginning of the year; he said that a big problem with the team's stagnating offense was that the players completely depended on Rondo. That could be Doc's system, Rondo's presence or a little of both. He said when Jeff Green used to rip down rebounds for example, he'd immediately look for Rondo instead of pushing it up. He offered a suggestion: for Rondo to sprint up the floor when his forwards snatched the rebound, forcing the rebounder to push the ball up the floor and find Rondo in stride rather than have him race down the court and leave his teammates in the dust.
This is an easy suggestion and one that, at first glance, you would think Rondo would accept. As hard as it is to believe that a guy who passes all the time is selfish and cares too much about stats, that may be who Rondo is. That makes this style of play, which you claim was catered for Rondo and should therefore work, inoperable.
Most of the time, when one of our guys get a rebound, you can see Rondo running up the court while signaling for an outlet pass. Most of the time the transition failed to materialize it was due to the lack of an outlet pass, not because Rondo slowed the play down.You can preach "don't always believe what you hear," but the fact of the matter is that Danny has admitted trying to cash in Rondo for other -- sometimes better pieces -- and I think he tried to this year as well. That says a lot regarding his belief that the system will work in real life.
The fact of the matter is that Danny discussed trading Rondo for Paul. Everything else is just rumor.
For your first disagreement, understand that you are disagreeing not just with me but with Danny Ainge. That doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong, but you're arguing with a guy (DA) who breathes Celtics 24/7, literally. I personally just plain disagree with your analysis. Your point that Rondo would sometimes be ahead of the outlet isn't exactly wrong, but the point is that because of the players' dependence on him, they would just stand around even if he was already halfway up the court. Either Danny sees something fans don't have the ability to see that makes such a conundrum the fault of Rondo, or it just means that the system and culture he put together this offseason is heavily flawed and therefore he wants to move Rondo for a different centerpiece. Overall though, even if your analysis is correct in that Rondo tried as hard as could to incorporate teammates in the running game, or more accurately that Jeff Green not engaging the fast break before heaving it up to Rondo is not the fault of Rondo, it still means that the system doesn't work. I have to think doing a complete overhaul of such a system without trading Rondo would waste a great many years of Rondo's career and value, and we'd be better suited to trade him for at least equal value of different sorts.
Lastly, your "it's only rumors" claim is just lame. Sure, there have been some bogus reports from guys like Sherrod and Broussard that don't make sense, but only so many can be leaked from credible guys like Ken Berger, Woj, etc. without at least a handful of them being true. Again, that doesn't mean Ainge is right about Rondo, but it does imply that he's trying to deal him and therefore makes the "who do you want?" discussion valid.
It's really hard to get value for Rondo because over half the teams in the league already have good pg's. Their pg's may not be as good as Rondo, but he may end up costing a team significantly for what maybe a modest upgrade. Most of the teams that don't have pg's may not value Rondo or they don't have anything of value to trade for him
I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
Trade Rondo for a big who can rebound, block shots and run the floor.
Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
you would move rondo for max contract fat boy deron williams? hilarious
Kyrie swap would be a steal
Yes, but the Lakers rather take that risk their own selves which is why they are adamant about not trading Dwight at this point. My point is, though, Rondo could have already been traded, but I think Ainge hikes the price up beyond what a team is realistically wanting to give up. And it's not just Rondo (but Pierce, Ray, etc.).I dunno, but asking for Dwight Howard when the your PG is injured is kinda ridiculous. Even if Rondo is healthy, most don't trade bigs for small. Doesn't really makes sense for the Lakers(and I despise them) at all in my opinion. Also he wanted a Melo (the Denver-NY trade) type of haul. Again that is quite ridiculous if Rondo is injured and questionable for next season. Most trades teams would do for Rondo, Ainge seems to scoff at.Ainge seems to have a ridiculously high price tag for Rondo (even when injured)so this prevents any realistic moves in my opinion.
Or, Ainge has a realistic price tag and all realistic moves fail to bring back appropriate value.
The only way it makes sense for the Lakers to trade Dwight Howard is if he says there is no way he will return to the team. Arguably, Rondo in that case is more than the Lakers deserve and only makes sense from the Celtics' perspective if that were the only way to make a trade work under the salary cap.
Since teams sometimes overpay, it makes sense for Ainge to shoot for a high goal. It's a stupid strategy for a GM to try to make fair, even trades. You might end up there as a compromise, but it's bad negotiating to start out with a moderate demand.
For me I would move him for a guy who can both help us win now and be a foundational piece for the future. Some on here might be better for the future then winning now, but they would still be helpful. Some I also think would help us win now more but would not be as great for the future because of age.This is a good list to consider.
LeBron yes
Durant yes
Howard yes
Paul yes
Rose yes
Westbrook no
Love no
Parker no
Irving yes
Griffin yes
D-Will no
Paul George yes
Carmelo no
Wade no
Harden yes
Aldridge yes
Anthony Davis yes
A good young big man and a serviceable starting point guard.
I dunno, but asking for Dwight Howard when the your PG is injured is kinda ridiculous. Even if Rondo is healthy, most don't trade bigs for small. Doesn't really makes sense for the Lakers(and I despise them) at all in my opinion. Also he wanted a Melo (the Denver-NY trade) type of haul. Again that is quite ridiculous if Rondo is injured and questionable for next season. Most trades teams would do for Rondo, Ainge seems to scoff at.Ainge seems to have a ridiculously high price tag for Rondo (even when injured)so this prevents any realistic moves in my opinion.
Or, Ainge has a realistic price tag and all realistic moves fail to bring back appropriate value.
A good young big man and a serviceable starting point guard.
I wonder what it would take to get Greg Monroe from Detroit. They have Drummond now, so might be willing to give him up for the right package.
For me I would move him for a guy who can both help us win now and be a foundational piece for the future. Some on here might be better for the future then winning now, but they would still be helpful. Some I also think would help us win now more but would not be as great for the future because of age.This is a good list to consider.
Straight up I would realistically consider moving Rondo for each of the following:
LeBron yes
Durant yes
Howard yes
Paul yes
Rose yes
Westbrook no
Love no
Parker no
Irving yes
Griffin yes
D-Will no
Paul George yes
Carmelo no
Wade no
Harden yes
Aldridge yes
Anthony Davis yes
...and maybe a top 3 pick most years.
I dunno, but asking for Dwight Howard when the your PG is injured is kinda ridiculous. Even if Rondo is healthy, most don't trade bigs for small. Doesn't really makes sense for the Lakers(and I despise them) at all in my opinion. Also he wanted a Melo (the Denver-NY trade) type of haul. Again that is quite ridiculous if Rondo is injured and questionable for next season. Most trades teams would do for Rondo, Ainge seems to scoff at.Ainge seems to have a ridiculously high price tag for Rondo (even when injured)so this prevents any realistic moves in my opinion.
Or, Ainge has a realistic price tag and all realistic moves fail to bring back appropriate value.
Just to b clear, the Dwight for Rondo was pre injury. It's actually not that bad of a trade for the Lakers if they are convinced Dwight isn't coming back.
A good young big man and a serviceable starting point guard.
I wonder what it would take to get Greg Monroe from Detroit. They have Drummond now, so might be willing to give him up for the right package.
They have future plans of moving Monroe to PF, so it would probably take a Monroe-Drummond lineup being a failure. The main concern is probably that Monroe will become a defensive liability against someone like a smaller, faster perimeter-oriented stretch 4. So, it would take Monroe looking bad against PFs like Brandon Bass, basically.
A good young big man and a serviceable starting point guard.
I wonder what it would take to get Greg Monroe from Detroit. They have Drummond now, so might be willing to give him up for the right package.
They have future plans of moving Monroe to PF, so it would probably take a Monroe-Drummond lineup being a failure. The main concern is probably that Monroe will become a defensive liability against someone like a smaller, faster perimeter-oriented stretch 4. So, it would take Monroe looking bad against PFs like Brandon Bass, basically.
The other possibility would be Kanter. No way would Utah give up Favors, but I think they would probably give up Kanter with the right package involving Rondo.
I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
I think that's a better starting point. It would take an established superstar OR an All-star with another high-level talent OR at minimum 2-3 really top level prospects. Cousins at this point is just a prospect in my opinion because he's yet to show the maturity or drive to win.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
That's two mediocre players for one superstar. We don't even get a pick or something? Would the Clippers takes those bums for Chris Paul ? Of course not.
Amazing how undervalued the kid is by people who watch him regularly.
For me, something like DeMarcus Cousins + Sacramento's lottery pick would be a good return.
You guys are insane. Sacramento won't even trade Cousins for Rondo let alone adding a lottery pick. The thread wants realistic trades, not total nonsense that just won't happen. It's fine if you don't want to trade Rondo, but having a starting point that is so far from reality takes realism totally out of the equation.and you're insane if your lowball value on Rondo is anywhere near acceptable.
I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
As others have said if rondo is traded it should be for a young athletic big. This is by fare the toughest position to fill in the nba. Before his injury I was hoping for a trade built around rondo for Noel.so you don't want to trade Rondo then because the celtics are not getting a young athletic big that has shown any kind of porential for Rondo. Flawed point guards that can't shoot and haven't shown real improvement in years don't have great value.
As others have said if rondo is traded it should be for a young athletic big. This is by fare the toughest position to fill in the nba. Before his injury I was hoping for a trade built around rondo for Noel.so you don't want to trade Rondo then because the celtics are not getting a young athletic big that has shown any kind of porential for Rondo. Flawed point guards that can't shoot and haven't shown real improvement in years don't have great value.
I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
I'm not commenting about how effective Rondo is. I'm pointing out that you're overrating his trade value.
well we know that Rondo couldn't be traded for Chris Paul or Stephen Curry before last year. This was 22 year old Steph Curry that had an ankle injury, not the 24 year old Steph Curry of right now. I think that should give you a pretty good idea of his trade value.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
I'm not commenting about how effective Rondo is. I'm pointing out that you're overrating his trade value.
You're guessing that I'm overrating his trade value, neither of us know exactly what it is and your assumption seems to be that his trade value isn't based on how effective a player he is.
well we know that Rondo couldn't be traded for Chris Paul or Stephen Curry before last year. This was 22 year old Steph Curry that had an ankle injury, not the 24 year old Steph Curry of right now. I think that should give you a pretty good idea of his trade value.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
I'm not commenting about how effective Rondo is. I'm pointing out that you're overrating his trade value.
You're guessing that I'm overrating his trade value, neither of us know exactly what it is and your assumption seems to be that his trade value isn't based on how effective a player he is.
It was probably a darn short discussion and it happened before Rondo went out with a torn ACL. I'm sure Rondo for Dwight could theoretically be discussed if Dwight was demanding a trade and planning on bailing on LA and leaving them nothing in return.well we know that Rondo couldn't be traded for Chris Paul or Stephen Curry before last year. This was 22 year old Steph Curry that had an ankle injury, not the 24 year old Steph Curry of right now. I think that should give you a pretty good idea of his trade value.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
I'm not commenting about how effective Rondo is. I'm pointing out that you're overrating his trade value.
You're guessing that I'm overrating his trade value, neither of us know exactly what it is and your assumption seems to be that his trade value isn't based on how effective a player he is.
We also know that he's the kind of player that the Lakers would discuss trading Dwight Howard for, clearly his value has shot up since then.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
It was probably a darn short discussion and it happened before Rondo went out with a torn ACL. I'm sure Rondo for Dwight could theoretically be discussed if Dwight was demanding a trade and planning on bailing on LA and leaving them nothing in return.well we know that Rondo couldn't be traded for Chris Paul or Stephen Curry before last year. This was 22 year old Steph Curry that had an ankle injury, not the 24 year old Steph Curry of right now. I think that should give you a pretty good idea of his trade value.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
I'm not commenting about how effective Rondo is. I'm pointing out that you're overrating his trade value.
You're guessing that I'm overrating his trade value, neither of us know exactly what it is and your assumption seems to be that his trade value isn't based on how effective a player he is.
We also know that he's the kind of player that the Lakers would discuss trading Dwight Howard for, clearly his value has shot up since then.
Rondo's a great player, but he's a limited player and not someone who can carry a team. He also has severe flaws in his game and requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful. It really hurts his potential trade value. Look at the kind of deals we've been rejected for.
Chris Paul - Clearly superior to Rondo in most ways
Steph Curry - You take elite shooting over elite passing all day.
Pau Gasol - You take an elite big over an elite passer all day..
Elite scoring and elite bigs are what wins titles... this isn't football. You don't need a quarterback. You need someone who can put the ball the bucket and prevent others from doing the same.
Really when you look at Rondo's career he's basically a poor man's Jason Kidd. Kidd has been traded multiple times in his career
#1 - Along with two guys who were recently picked in the 1st round, he was traded for for Michael Finley (who at that point was 23 years old and averaging 13 points... eventually made a couple allstar teams in his career but never was an "elite" scorer) ... and 27 year old Sam Cassell who actually was only like a 14 and 5 guy at the time.
What would you compare that trade to at that point in their respective careers?... I think it would be like trading Rondo + Sully + Melo for Darren Collinson and OJ Mayo.
#2 - Traded for Stephon Marbury... a bit of a headcase. He had yet to make an allstar team. More of a scorer than a traditional point guard. His team had stunk. He was still only 23 though. What would you compare that trade to?... Rondo for Brandon Jennings?
#3 - Traded for Devin Harris ... strange deal, because Kidd was kind of over the hill and Harris was a young decent player who had put together some inflated stats. He was 24 and averaging 14 and 4. That's like trading Rondo for something between a Ramon Sessions and a Brandon Knight.
And then of course Kidd's trade value was always higher than Rondo's just because Kidd in his prime was better than Rondo and Kidd (on the court at least) didn't seem to have a lot of the stigmas that Rondo has (moody, poor leadership, mails in games).
So I'd say Rondo's trade value (when healthy) is somewhere between Al Jefferson and Ramon Sessions. I'd say Rondo's trade value during the trade deadline (torn ACL) was just about nothing. And I'd say that I'd rather hang onto Rondo than get the kind of return we'd be able to get for him.
Really when you look at Rondo's career he's basically a poor man's Jason Kidd. Kidd has been traded multiple times in his career
#1 - Along with two guys who were recently picked in the 1st round, he was traded for for Michael Finley (who at that point was 23 years old and averaging 13 points... eventually made a couple allstar teams in his career but never was an "elite" scorer) ... and 27 year old Sam Cassell who actually was only like a 14 and 5 guy at the time.
What would you compare that trade to at that point in their respective careers?... I think it would be like trading Rondo + Sully + Melo for Darren Collinson and OJ Mayo.
#2 - Traded for Stephon Marbury... a bit of a headcase. He had yet to make an allstar team. More of a scorer than a traditional point guard. His team had stunk. He was still only 23 though. What would you compare that trade to?... Rondo for Brandon Jennings?
#3 - Traded for Devin Harris ... strange deal, because Kidd was kind of over the hill and Harris was a young decent player who had put together some inflated stats. He was 24 and averaging 14 and 4. That's like trading Rondo for something between a Ramon Sessions and a Brandon Knight.
And then of course Kidd's trade value was always higher than Rondo's just because Kidd in his prime was better than Rondo and Kidd (on the court at least) didn't seem to have a lot of the stigmas that Rondo has (moody, poor leadership, mails in games).
So I'd say Rondo's trade value (when healthy) is somewhere between Al Jefferson and Ramon Sessions. I'd say Rondo's trade value during the trade deadline (torn ACL) was just about nothing. And I'd say that I'd rather hang onto Rondo than get the kind of return we'd be able to get for him.
I definitely think the Kidd comparison is a good one for Rondo. Rondo is truly a unique player, but Jason Kidd is probably the player in recent memory who is most reminiscent of Rajon.
Interestingly, in each of the trades you mention, the team that acquired Kidd got the better of the trade. Maybe that should serve as a lesson for Danny if he ever thinks about trading away Rondo for more of a scorer.
Also, I want to point out that when you say that Kidd in his prime was better than Rondo, you should keep in mind that Rondo hasn't reached his prime yet.
That knee is the big wild card now. I'm hoping it heals up completely so that we get to see him reach that prime as a Celtic.
Really when you look at Rondo's career he's basically a poor man's Jason Kidd. Kidd has been traded multiple times in his career
#1 - Along with two guys who were recently picked in the 1st round, he was traded for for Michael Finley (who at that point was 23 years old and averaging 13 points... eventually made a couple allstar teams in his career but never was an "elite" scorer) ... and 27 year old Sam Cassell who actually was only like a 14 and 5 guy at the time.
What would you compare that trade to at that point in their respective careers?... I think it would be like trading Rondo + Sully + Melo for Darren Collinson and OJ Mayo.
#2 - Traded for Stephon Marbury... a bit of a headcase. He had yet to make an allstar team. More of a scorer than a traditional point guard. His team had stunk. He was still only 23 though. What would you compare that trade to?... Rondo for Brandon Jennings?
#3 - Traded for Devin Harris ... strange deal, because Kidd was kind of over the hill and Harris was a young decent player who had put together some inflated stats. He was 24 and averaging 14 and 4. That's like trading Rondo for something between a Ramon Sessions and a Brandon Knight.
And then of course Kidd's trade value was always higher than Rondo's just because Kidd in his prime was better than Rondo and Kidd (on the court at least) didn't seem to have a lot of the stigmas that Rondo has (moody, poor leadership, mails in games).
So I'd say Rondo's trade value (when healthy) is somewhere between Al Jefferson and Ramon Sessions. I'd say Rondo's trade value during the trade deadline (torn ACL) was just about nothing. And I'd say that I'd rather hang onto Rondo than get the kind of return we'd be able to get for him.
I definitely think the Kidd comparison is a good one for Rondo. Rondo is truly a unique player, but Jason Kidd is probably the player in recent memory who is most reminiscent of Rajon.
Interestingly, in each of the trades you mention, the team that acquired Kidd got the better of the trade. Maybe that should serve as a lesson for Danny if he ever thinks about trading away Rondo for more of a scorer.
Also, I want to point out that when you say that Kidd in his prime was better than Rondo, you should keep in mind that Rondo hasn't reached his prime yet.
That knee is the big wild card now. I'm hoping it heals up completely so that we get to see him reach that prime as a Celtic.
The difference is that Kidd was a better shooter than Rondo, and I don't recall him ever having Rondo's maturity issues (constant suspensions, playing when he feels like it, etc). Same can be said for Stockton too.
Kidd was always a good free throw shooter so he wasn't afraid of being fouled at the end of games, he could hot the three so defenders couldn't D way off him the way they can with Rondo, and he always showed up to play. I also think he was better at playing to other guy's strengths than Rondo.
How many guys can you think of who got significantly better after playing with Rondo?
Really when you look at Rondo's career he's basically a poor man's Jason Kidd. Kidd has been traded multiple times in his career
#1 - Along with two guys who were recently picked in the 1st round, he was traded for for Michael Finley (who at that point was 23 years old and averaging 13 points... eventually made a couple allstar teams in his career but never was an "elite" scorer) ... and 27 year old Sam Cassell who actually was only like a 14 and 5 guy at the time.
What would you compare that trade to at that point in their respective careers?... I think it would be like trading Rondo + Sully + Melo for Darren Collinson and OJ Mayo.
#2 - Traded for Stephon Marbury... a bit of a headcase. He had yet to make an allstar team. More of a scorer than a traditional point guard. His team had stunk. He was still only 23 though. What would you compare that trade to?... Rondo for Brandon Jennings?
#3 - Traded for Devin Harris ... strange deal, because Kidd was kind of over the hill and Harris was a young decent player who had put together some inflated stats. He was 24 and averaging 14 and 4. That's like trading Rondo for something between a Ramon Sessions and a Brandon Knight.
And then of course Kidd's trade value was always higher than Rondo's just because Kidd in his prime was better than Rondo and Kidd (on the court at least) didn't seem to have a lot of the stigmas that Rondo has (moody, poor leadership, mails in games).
So I'd say Rondo's trade value (when healthy) is somewhere between Al Jefferson and Ramon Sessions. I'd say Rondo's trade value during the trade deadline (torn ACL) was just about nothing. And I'd say that I'd rather hang onto Rondo than get the kind of return we'd be able to get for him.
I definitely think the Kidd comparison is a good one for Rondo. Rondo is truly a unique player, but Jason Kidd is probably the player in recent memory who is most reminiscent of Rajon.
Interestingly, in each of the trades you mention, the team that acquired Kidd got the better of the trade. Maybe that should serve as a lesson for Danny if he ever thinks about trading away Rondo for more of a scorer.
Also, I want to point out that when you say that Kidd in his prime was better than Rondo, you should keep in mind that Rondo hasn't reached his prime yet.
That knee is the big wild card now. I'm hoping it heals up completely so that we get to see him reach that prime as a Celtic.
The difference is that Kidd was a better shooter than Rondo, and I don't recall him ever having Rondo's maturity issues (constant suspensions, playing when he feels like it, etc). Same can be said for Stockton too.
Kidd was always a good free throw shooter so he wasn't afraid of being fouled at the end of games, he could hot the three so defenders couldn't D way off him the way they can with Rondo, and he always showed up to play. I also think he was better at playing to other guy's strengths than Rondo.
How many guys can you think of who got significantly better after playing with Rondo?
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
"As good as the C's will ever do" is probably not enough of a return to justify trading Rondo for pure basketball reasons. You'd probably need something like salary cap or locker room reasons to justify trading Rondo for the best you are likely to get back for him.
We also know that he's the kind of player that the Lakers would discuss trading Dwight Howard for, clearly his value has shot up since then.
We also know that he's the kind of player that the Lakers would discuss trading Dwight Howard for, clearly his value has shot up since then.
You say I can't speculate above, but then you speculate here. Which is it?
Far more importantly, do you actually buy for a moment that the Lakers thought about trading Howard for Rondo? That was clearly a Boston-floated rumor.
C'mon now...
We also know that he's the kind of player that the Lakers would discuss trading Dwight Howard for, clearly his value has shot up since then.
You say I can't speculate above, but then you speculate here. Which is it?
Far more importantly, do you actually buy for a moment that the Lakers thought about trading Howard for Rondo? That was clearly a Boston-floated rumor.
C'mon now...
Sorry, I was being facetious. The vast majority of what people "know" on this blog are things that they're guessing about. Like whether that rumor was Boston-floated.
We also know that he's the kind of player that the Lakers would discuss trading Dwight Howard for, clearly his value has shot up since then.
You say I can't speculate above, but then you speculate here. Which is it?
Far more importantly, do you actually buy for a moment that the Lakers thought about trading Howard for Rondo? That was clearly a Boston-floated rumor.
C'mon now...
Sorry, I was being facetious. The vast majority of what people "know" on this blog are things that they're guessing about. Like whether that rumor was Boston-floated.
Got it. I bet we can agree it didn't come from the Lakers, which leaves....
We also know that he's the kind of player that the Lakers would discuss trading Dwight Howard for, clearly his value has shot up since then.
You say I can't speculate above, but then you speculate here. Which is it?
Far more importantly, do you actually buy for a moment that the Lakers thought about trading Howard for Rondo? That was clearly a Boston-floated rumor.
C'mon now...
Sorry, I was being facetious. The vast majority of what people "know" on this blog are things that they're guessing about. Like whether that rumor was Boston-floated.
Got it. I bet we can agree it didn't come from the Lakers, which leaves....
And I'm assuming you know that it didn't come from the Lakers because there were previous Rondo-Gasol rumors and Kobe's talked about wanting Rondo on his team before, right?
It's also completely untrue that he requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful".
Rondo is horrid in the pick and roll. An offense built for that, would fail with Rondo running the show.It's also completely untrue that he requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful".
While I don't think Rondo needs a specific style, I do think he does better in detail-oriented systems. I actually don't think he would be that happy in a running offense unless the offense flows from a complex defense (one more principled than "stay in front of your man") that aggressively seeks to cause turnovers to initiate the transition game.
We also know that he's the kind of player that the Lakers would discuss trading Dwight Howard for, clearly his value has shot up since then.
You say I can't speculate above, but then you speculate here. Which is it?
Far more importantly, do you actually buy for a moment that the Lakers thought about trading Howard for Rondo? That was clearly a Boston-floated rumor.
C'mon now...
Sorry, I was being facetious. The vast majority of what people "know" on this blog are things that they're guessing about. Like whether that rumor was Boston-floated.
Got it. I bet we can agree it didn't come from the Lakers, which leaves....
And I'm assuming you know that it didn't come from the Lakers because there were previous Rondo-Gasol rumors and Kobe's talked about wanting Rondo on his team before, right?
Well let's see if we can agree on the below without facetiousness.
Rule of thumb: NBA trade rumors are leaked by the team (or player, if they want out) with the most to gain. That applies to Rondo for Gasol (Lakers) just like it does to Rondo for Howard (Celtics). It typically has very little to do with the actual rumor itself, but rather with boosting the market for the player of lesser value, or, Gasol and Rondo respectively in these two instances.
In the case of Rondo, Kobe waxing poetic about Rondo, cobined with the perceived discontent between Kobe and Howard, gave the Cs a perfect excuse to float such talk right before the trade deadline. It probably coincides with some light discussion between the Cs and another team about Rondo -- say, the Kings. Worst case, Petrie gets anxious, calls up and increases his offer to Ainge as a reaction. If he doesn't, Ainge can always go back to Rondo's agent a couple of days later and say: "we are not trade Rajon right now"... vote of confidence for his recovering PG.
Seem fair?
It's also completely untrue that he requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful".
While I don't think Rondo needs a specific style, I do think he does better in detail-oriented systems. I actually don't think he would be that happy in a running offense unless the offense flows from a complex defense (one more principled than "stay in front of your man") that aggressively seeks to cause turnovers to initiate the transition game.
Rondo is horrid in the pick and roll. An offense built for that, would fail with Rondo running the show.It's also completely untrue that he requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful".
While I don't think Rondo needs a specific style, I do think he does better in detail-oriented systems. I actually don't think he would be that happy in a running offense unless the offense flows from a complex defense (one more principled than "stay in front of your man") that aggressively seeks to cause turnovers to initiate the transition game.
It's also completely untrue that he requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful".
While I don't think Rondo needs a specific style, I do think he does better in detail-oriented systems. I actually don't think he would be that happy in a running offense unless the offense flows from a complex defense (one more principled than "stay in front of your man") that aggressively seeks to cause turnovers to initiate the transition game.
Not sure exactly what you mean by a detail-oriented system, or why you'd think his happiness in a running offense is dependent on what type of defense his team plays.
It's also completely untrue that he requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful".
While I don't think Rondo needs a specific style, I do think he does better in detail-oriented systems. I actually don't think he would be that happy in a running offense unless the offense flows from a complex defense (one more principled than "stay in front of your man") that aggressively seeks to cause turnovers to initiate the transition game.
Not sure exactly what you mean by a detail-oriented system, or why you'd think his happiness in a running offense is dependent on what type of defense his team plays.
By detail-oriented, I mean a system with a playbook that requires players to know their roles and execute well, the opposite of a system with a lot of free-lancing and unstructured individual creativity. I think Rondo has the sort of mind that would find a Mike D'Antoni style transition offense to be abhorrent, even if he had a jump shot that made him seem like a better fit. A team that runs more than average because its defense forces turnovers would fit Rondo better. I sometimes think he gambles for steals because he thinks that is the best way to initiate points in transition.
It's also completely untrue that he requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful".
While I don't think Rondo needs a specific style, I do think he does better in detail-oriented systems. I actually don't think he would be that happy in a running offense unless the offense flows from a complex defense (one more principled than "stay in front of your man") that aggressively seeks to cause turnovers to initiate the transition game.
Not sure exactly what you mean by a detail-oriented system, or why you'd think his happiness in a running offense is dependent on what type of defense his team plays.
By detail-oriented, I mean a system with a playbook that requires players to know their roles and execute well, the opposite of a system with a lot of free-lancing and unstructured individual creativity. I think Rondo has the sort of mind that would find a Mike D'Antoni style transition offense to be abhorrent, even if he had a jump shot that made him seem like a better fit. A team that runs more than average because its defense forces turnovers would fit Rondo better. I sometimes think he gambles for steals because he thinks that is the best way to initiate points in transition.
It's also completely untrue that he requires a really specific style of team and type of teammates in order for him to be successful".
While I don't think Rondo needs a specific style, I do think he does better in detail-oriented systems. I actually don't think he would be that happy in a running offense unless the offense flows from a complex defense (one more principled than "stay in front of your man") that aggressively seeks to cause turnovers to initiate the transition game.
Not sure exactly what you mean by a detail-oriented system, or why you'd think his happiness in a running offense is dependent on what type of defense his team plays.
By detail-oriented, I mean a system with a playbook that requires players to know their roles and execute well, the opposite of a system with a lot of free-lancing and unstructured individual creativity. I think Rondo has the sort of mind that would find a Mike D'Antoni style transition offense to be abhorrent, even if he had a jump shot that made him seem like a better fit. A team that runs more than average because its defense forces turnovers would fit Rondo better. I sometimes think he gambles for steals because he thinks that is the best way to initiate points in transition.
You guys are insane. Sacramento won't even trade Cousins for Rondo let alone adding a lottery pick. The thread wants realistic trades, not total nonsense that just won't happen. It's fine if you don't want to trade Rondo, but having a starting point that is so far from reality takes realism totally out of the equation.
You guys are insane. Sacramento won't even trade Cousins for Rondo let alone adding a lottery pick. The thread wants realistic trades, not total nonsense that just won't happen. It's fine if you don't want to trade Rondo, but having a starting point that is so far from reality takes realism totally out of the equation.
I find your consensus hilarious.
You think the Kings wouldn't trade Cousins for Rondo?
A young psycho/mentally ill big with all star potential and a top 12 pick in the first round for a bonafide All Star point guard that sells the 3rd most jerseys in the NBA and leads the NBA in assists and triple doubles?
You're not being realistic on what he's worth at all.
In fact you're almost trolling.
Go to Real GM in the NBA forum and make a topic. "what is Rondo worth in a trade?" and see what the average non-homer non-celtic fan says. It starts with someone like Cousins and gets better.
Lawl Teague and Williams? L A W L
Rondo has some great playoff games no doubt, but he also some atrociously bad games. No one ever talks about the bad games, you know when Rondo goes 4 of 12 without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Sixers. Or how about the 6 of 17, again without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Hawks. Or how about the 4 of 14 in the 7 point loss to the Sixers. Or the 3 of 15 game against the Heat (which Boston won). Those are just from last year. And sure he had the monster 44 point game (in the game 2 loss) and lots of other quality games. The problem with Rondo though is that consistency. Even when he turns it up a notch in the playoffs, he still has the down right awful games that cost Boston playoff victories as much as gets them wins in the monster games.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
Rondo has some great playoff games no doubt, but he also some atrociously bad games. No one ever talks about the bad games, you know when Rondo goes 4 of 12 without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Sixers. Or how about the 6 of 17, again without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Hawks. Or how about the 4 of 14 in the 7 point loss to the Sixers. Or the 3 of 15 game against the Heat (which Boston won). Those are just from last year. And sure he had the monster 44 point game (in the game 2 loss) and lots of other quality games. The problem with Rondo though is that consistency. Even when he turns it up a notch in the playoffs, he still has the down right awful games that cost Boston playoff victories as much as gets them wins in the monster games.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
A lesser talented, but more consistent player as well as some other value is a good trade for Rondo. A player that even if the shot isn't going can still get to the line and hit the foul shots, would be valuable. When Rondo is on he is on, but he is also off a lot more than most on this board want to acknowledge and when he is off, he is way off and has nothing to fall back on.
So, any takers on Big Al yet to play with KG? Rondo is not my first choice to make it happen, but if needed be, come on, that would be a cool duo.
Rondo has some great playoff games no doubt, but he also some atrociously bad games. No one ever talks about the bad games, you know when Rondo goes 4 of 12 without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Sixers. Or how about the 6 of 17, again without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Hawks. Or how about the 4 of 14 in the 7 point loss to the Sixers. Or the 3 of 15 game against the Heat (which Boston won). Those are just from last year. And sure he had the monster 44 point game (in the game 2 loss) and lots of other quality games. The problem with Rondo though is that consistency. Even when he turns it up a notch in the playoffs, he still has the down right awful games that cost Boston playoff victories as much as gets them wins in the monster games.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
A lesser talented, but more consistent player as well as some other value is a good trade for Rondo. A player that even if the shot isn't going can still get to the line and hit the foul shots, would be valuable. When Rondo is on he is on, but he is also off a lot more than most on this board want to acknowledge and when he is off, he is way off and has nothing to fall back on.
I would not trade Rondo and Bass for Teague and Williams (and change).
I would have traded Rondo and Bass before the deadline for Teague, Horford and one other asset (i.e. Korver, a pick, etc). Would have greatly increased the Cs chances to compete for a title this season, and it'll likely be a while before they're position to compete for one again.
So, any takers on Big Al yet to play with KG? Rondo is not my first choice to make it happen, but if needed be, come on, that would be a cool duo.
I want to like this idea.... but Al is still such a poor defender. It's a little offensive. I feel like it would make me crazy to watch.
So, any takers on Big Al yet to play with KG? Rondo is not my first choice to make it happen, but if needed be, come on, that would be a cool duo.
I want to like this idea.... but Al is still such a poor defender. It's a little offensive. I feel like it would make me crazy to watch.
Yet we make due with Bass and Wilcox, who in general are not good defenders either, and way worse offensively, and way worse rebounders. Big Al is one of the most proficient low post scorers, someone that with our team you can't afford to double team with us. And he's bigger, which means he can play with Sully too.
KG-Jefferson-Sully would make a great 3 big rotation.
I would not trade Rondo and Bass for Teague and Williams (and change).
I would have traded Rondo and Bass before the deadline for Teague, Horford and one other asset (i.e. Korver, a pick, etc). Would have greatly increased the Cs chances to compete for a title this season, and it'll likely be a while before they're position to compete for one again.
If Rondo and Sully come back healthy they'll be competing for one next year.
Teague was in his third year. Need I remind you what Rondo looked like in the playoffs in his third year. Teague has significantly improved this year. I would expect a jump from him this year and yet another leap next year (look at his progressions).Rondo has some great playoff games no doubt, but he also some atrociously bad games. No one ever talks about the bad games, you know when Rondo goes 4 of 12 without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Sixers. Or how about the 6 of 17, again without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Hawks. Or how about the 4 of 14 in the 7 point loss to the Sixers. Or the 3 of 15 game against the Heat (which Boston won). Those are just from last year. And sure he had the monster 44 point game (in the game 2 loss) and lots of other quality games. The problem with Rondo though is that consistency. Even when he turns it up a notch in the playoffs, he still has the down right awful games that cost Boston playoff victories as much as gets them wins in the monster games.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
A lesser talented, but more consistent player as well as some other value is a good trade for Rondo. A player that even if the shot isn't going can still get to the line and hit the foul shots, would be valuable. When Rondo is on he is on, but he is also off a lot more than most on this board want to acknowledge and when he is off, he is way off and has nothing to fall back on.
You'd prefer the more consistent Jeff Teague? Jeff Teague who shot 33% or worse in three of the six playoff games his Hawks played in their series loss to the Celtics last year.
Sure, like Jeff Teague, and everyone else in the league, Rondo has some bad games (do I need to remind you of how Lebron James played in the last three games of the 2010 series against the Celtics?), but Jeff Teague doesn't have the ability, like Rondo, to take over games and have transcendent performances. That's why Rondo is much, much better than a nice player like Jeff Teague.
You can call Jeff Teague "consistent" because when he's bad, he's not much worse than what anybody expects out of his talent level, but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think he has anywhere near the value to his team as somebody with the talent level of Rajon Rondo.
Teague was in his third year. Need I remind you what Rondo looked like in the playoffs in his third year. Teague has significantly improved this year. I would expect a jump from him this year and yet another leap next year (look at his progressions).Rondo has some great playoff games no doubt, but he also some atrociously bad games. No one ever talks about the bad games, you know when Rondo goes 4 of 12 without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Sixers. Or how about the 6 of 17, again without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Hawks. Or how about the 4 of 14 in the 7 point loss to the Sixers. Or the 3 of 15 game against the Heat (which Boston won). Those are just from last year. And sure he had the monster 44 point game (in the game 2 loss) and lots of other quality games. The problem with Rondo though is that consistency. Even when he turns it up a notch in the playoffs, he still has the down right awful games that cost Boston playoff victories as much as gets them wins in the monster games.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
A lesser talented, but more consistent player as well as some other value is a good trade for Rondo. A player that even if the shot isn't going can still get to the line and hit the foul shots, would be valuable. When Rondo is on he is on, but he is also off a lot more than most on this board want to acknowledge and when he is off, he is way off and has nothing to fall back on.
You'd prefer the more consistent Jeff Teague? Jeff Teague who shot 33% or worse in three of the six playoff games his Hawks played in their series loss to the Celtics last year.
Sure, like Jeff Teague, and everyone else in the league, Rondo has some bad games (do I need to remind you of how Lebron James played in the last three games of the 2010 series against the Celtics?), but Jeff Teague doesn't have the ability, like Rondo, to take over games and have transcendent performances. That's why Rondo is much, much better than a nice player like Jeff Teague.
You can call Jeff Teague "consistent" because when he's bad, he's not much worse than what anybody expects out of his talent level, but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think he has anywhere near the value to his team as somebody with the talent level of Rajon Rondo.
Teague was in his third year. Need I remind you what Rondo looked like in the playoffs in his third year. Teague has significantly improved this year. I would expect a jump from him this year and yet another leap next year (look at his progressions).Rondo has some great playoff games no doubt, but he also some atrociously bad games. No one ever talks about the bad games, you know when Rondo goes 4 of 12 without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Sixers. Or how about the 6 of 17, again without taking a single foul shot in a 1 point loss to the Hawks. Or how about the 4 of 14 in the 7 point loss to the Sixers. Or the 3 of 15 game against the Heat (which Boston won). Those are just from last year. And sure he had the monster 44 point game (in the game 2 loss) and lots of other quality games. The problem with Rondo though is that consistency. Even when he turns it up a notch in the playoffs, he still has the down right awful games that cost Boston playoff victories as much as gets them wins in the monster games.I actually like Jeff Teague a lot. 14.5/7.1 this year at 24 while shooting 38% from 3, 88% from the line. His offense would open up the floor for everyone else and he has gotten better every single year and will only get better. Williams is an excellent scorer with a great contract.Because his idea of good value for Rajon Rondo is getting bad as fast as possible so we can get back into the lottery.I think something like Jeff Teague (sign and trade) and Lou Williams for Rondo and Bass would make sense for both teams (assuming Josh Smith and Atlanta worked something out).
That would make no sense for us. Why would we do that? We get worse at PG and pick up a small SG (6"1) that we don't need that is also coming off knee wurgery.
That is good value for Rondo, no matter what you guys think.
Very similar trade to the one I wanted to do last year i.e. Rondo for Conley and Mayo. Everyone said the same thing about Conley that they are saying about Teague and Conley then took another jump. Teague will take that jump.
Mayo and Conley aren't worth Rondo.
Not that it really matters at this point, but this is a classic homer view of Rondo. Getting two solid young starters for Rondo is as good as the Cs will ever do.
They will never get one 'equal' player in return, because despite his flash and gaudy stats, Rondo can't score consistently or shoot FTs in the 4th Q.
I'd say it's the classic realistic view of Rondo. It's true Rondo's not much of a free throw shooter, it's equally true that when he's healthy he's one of the best playoff performers in the league. Those "gaudy stats" have a much bigger impact on games than you think.
A lesser talented, but more consistent player as well as some other value is a good trade for Rondo. A player that even if the shot isn't going can still get to the line and hit the foul shots, would be valuable. When Rondo is on he is on, but he is also off a lot more than most on this board want to acknowledge and when he is off, he is way off and has nothing to fall back on.
You'd prefer the more consistent Jeff Teague? Jeff Teague who shot 33% or worse in three of the six playoff games his Hawks played in their series loss to the Celtics last year.
Sure, like Jeff Teague, and everyone else in the league, Rondo has some bad games (do I need to remind you of how Lebron James played in the last three games of the 2010 series against the Celtics?), but Jeff Teague doesn't have the ability, like Rondo, to take over games and have transcendent performances. That's why Rondo is much, much better than a nice player like Jeff Teague.
You can call Jeff Teague "consistent" because when he's bad, he's not much worse than what anybody expects out of his talent level, but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think he has anywhere near the value to his team as somebody with the talent level of Rajon Rondo.