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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: coco on February 24, 2013, 10:32:48 AM
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Personally, I didn't think Rondo was trying to find JGreen.
What do you think?
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There may be some of it, but are we to ignore how Green's play had started to vastly improve before Rondo went down?
An expanded role has made him more productive for certain, but I'm having a hard time pinning the rise of Green as a Rondo thing.
We're certainly looking for Green more, during the first two months of the season he barely got any touches, but that was a collective problem, not necessarily a Rondo problem on this particular regard.
Also, Green himself needed to assert himself better... so we can't ignore that either.
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He could have been doing this even when Rondo was playing. So many times Rondo have found him open for three's and not draining it.
He could easily assert himself and go hard on the basket even if Rondo is playing.
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Personally, I didn't think Rondo was trying to find JGreen.
What do you think?
I think some of that was also on Doc, who wasn't giving them really any plays to run for the new-generation guys.
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Just about everyone has played better, mainly because guys have a bigger load to carry.
Plus, Jeff had been playing fairly well in January, before Rondo went down.
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I don't think Rondo had much to do with it. It has now been about a year since his heart surgery, and I think it is just nature's schedule...his body is improved and he is taking things more into his own hands. This would have happened with or without Rondo, IMO.
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I don't think painting Doc as the bad guy here is good. Before Rondo got injured, Green was the 4th or 5th option on our team. Afterwards, he became the 2nd or 3rd option (also given PP not playing his best). You make more plays for the 2nd or 3rd option on a team than you do for the 4th or 5th option.
Also, Green had been getting a whole lot better before Rondo got injured. His numbers were going up (which is natural; he's getting more adjusted to the game after his chest got broken open).
So, I don't think it's a coincidence; it's not Rondo or Doc's fault that he wasn't playing as well earlier in the season; and I think if he keeps playing this well (averaging 17 ppg, outbursts like the Suns game every few weeks), he will not only be up for a starting spot on the team, he might get 6th man of the year.
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More consistent minutes after Sully's injury probably helped. Green's also much more assertive, he sure wasn't looking like he has recently when he was playing and Rondo was on the bench. He was also getting more shots per36 when he was on the court with Rondo fwiw.
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Also, Green had been getting a whole lot better before Rondo got injured. His numbers were going up (which is natural; he's getting more adjusted to the game after his chest got broken open).
This is IMO very overlooked. People talk about his heart surgery in terms of his heart, just having his chest pulled apart to get to his chest has to take a while to recover from, and with any major injury the player needs to regain confidence in his body before he starts performing well.
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Pretty sure he just had by far his best game yet with no Kevin Garnett
Coincidence?
No!
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No it's not coincidence, and it isn't Rondo snubbing Green.
It's just that Green gets more looks now, and isn't regulated to being a spot up shooter who sits in the corner. Ray could pull that off because he was the GOAT shooter in NBA history, but Green, Lee, and Terry are all guys who play better with the ball in their hands and slashing to the rim
I remember one game, not sure if Rondo was out or just on the bench. KG and Pierce forced fed the ball to Green every single set. If he lost his dribble and passed it up to KG or Pierce they immediately passed it back to him. I think he went 3/4 with 2 FTs in that stretch with a monster dunk and looked great.
The issue has always just been that Green was fifth at best in having the offense run through him and the 95% of games where Rondo was on the floor he was used as a spot up shooter with maybe an iso play once in a blue moon called for him.
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Green started to play better before rondo went down. Still, I like the ball in greens hands being aggressive alot more than I like it in rondos hands just dribbling at the top of the key looking for an assist.
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He's being more productive because his minutes have gone up a since Sully got hurt. Green isn't one of these guys, like Barbosa was, who comes in and scores in bunches. The more minutes he plays, the more productive he is. He was playing just under 25 minutes a game before, in his last 10 he's up to 31. Hence he went from 10 points to 16. If he played 38, like he should seeing he's one of the young guys on the team and plays 2 positions, he'd probably be around 20 a game.
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Man...I wish it's possible to take TPs away or give negative TPs
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Man...I wish it's possible to take TPs away or give negative TPs
You're one of those guys that takes great joy "disliking" every video on youtube you disagree with aren't you.
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Personally, I didn't think Rondo was trying to find JGreen.
What do you think?
i agree
everything ran thru the big 3.
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Nothing's a coincidence ... more minutes, more touches, more responsibility = more points.
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The way I see it, they are all playing harder because they have men down.
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He was always gonna be like this...
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It is MORE in pp's absence than Rondo's....Rondo was always looking for someone to run with, he fed tony allen all the time, then bradley....this is totally wrong to keep blaming rondo...he LED in assists AND often led our team in REBOUNDING....honestly, do you guys know anything about basketball..?
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It is MORE in pp's absence than Rondo's....Rondo was always looking for someone to run with, he fed tony allen all the time, then bradley....this is totally wrong to keep blaming rondo...he LED in assists AND often led our team in REBOUNDING....honestly, do you guys know anything about basketball..?
I'm mainly an expert at eating donuts.
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I think the reason for Jeff's rise is the absence of Barbosa!
See how absurb, this thread is but one can make a case for his best games. I think Barbosa was holding him back, get real folks.
Green is stepping up to help the team and who knows could be he knows the system or is finally recovered from surgery. I think the man down theory has more merit than Rondo holding him back.
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I think Rondo and Green are connected but I don't think Rondo was intentially snubbing him or anything like that. When Rondo was playing, the set was for Green to stand in the corner while Rondo did his thing.
Green is much more effective when he is moving, with or without the ball.
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Also, s ws said,the guy is still recovering from major surgery....he has shown an impressive array of skills lately..and i bet pp likes it, but wishes it was still him...it is harder to get older, as pp was this guy before. Jeff even has pp's elbow shot now, whaich i was happy and surprised to see...if he can shooot like that..with his drives....with the 2 new guys....we got a team again..!!! We Could still use one big man.....more..!
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I don't think Rondo had much to do with it. It has now been about a year since his heart surgery, and I think it is just nature's schedule...his body is improved and he is taking things more into his own hands. This would have happened with or without Rondo, IMO.
Agreed. He's now progressing closer to full strength and his ceiling is showing in his performance.
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I say more or less a pure coincidence in that it took Green a 1/2 a season to get comfortable on the basketball court to demonstrate his capabilities sich as defending Lebron James effectively. It is a coincidence that game was Jeff Greens breakout game was the first game that Rondo was out injured.
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It is MORE in pp's absence than Rondo's....Rondo was always looking for someone to run with, he fed tony allen all the time, then bradley....this is totally wrong to keep blaming rondo...he LED in assists AND often led our team in REBOUNDING....honestly, do you guys know anything about basketball..?
I'm mainly an expert at eating donuts.
Budweiser and donuts! A remarkably adventurous combination... ;)
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Jeff Green has always been a guy who could create shots for himself. I'm too lazy to find it right now, but I once went through the 10 or so games that Green played in OKC without Durant (Durant was rarely injured) and essentially every game Green scored 20+. He was the 3rd option in OKC with two HUGE scorers... and in Boston he's coming off the bench backing up our best offensive option. When Rondo was playing, Green was being asked to be more of a spot up shooter and wait for Rondo to find him... not to mention the fact that he just wasn't getting a ton of minutes and his role was severely limited. At this point, he's getting more minutes and he's getting opportunities to use his natural skills to create.
I do think that when Pierce and KG leave, Green will probably average 19 or so points... but the team will probably be awful... and I don't think Green will ever be anything more than a fringe allstar. Probably a notch below Danny Granger... a good scorer who MAYBE makes one allstar game.