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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: CelticConcourse on February 23, 2013, 03:28:10 PM
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Eh? A second ten-day would save us some money and gives us a larger sample size, but might ruin his confidence. I doubt we release him now.
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Multi-year cheap contract as if he ends up playing well this year he will get offered good money and we wont be able to pay him (same thing that happened to Stiemsma)
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I really like this kid
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I could not check one of the answers, because I would say sign him to another 10 day after the first one expires and see how he does before making a longer term decision. So far, so good.
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Like him as well. He is on his best behavior now. Would not sign him to a multi-year until we see if what he learned in China has stuck.
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Would not sign him to a multi-year until we see if what he learned in China has stuck.
If you sign him for the rest of the season, it should be a multi-year contract, meaning that he should be unguaranteed next season so he can be tossed into a trade to match salaries with a team that can waive him immediately afterwards with no cap hit. And, as said previously, so that he can be retained cheaply if he plays well.
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His ability, underrated passing and court vision, athleticism and skills is and always was NBA level. He was a headache though.
If he does play well with us the rest of the season, that will be great. But no need to hope about him staying. If he gets his behavior in the positives, he will get paid, a lot more than we can offer, and may deserve it.
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He would agree to a multi-year with unguaranteed, team-option clauses, right?
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Doc already trusts him to run the 2nd unit offense, so I would say we will sign him for the rest of the season.
lets not forget, he Was a lottery pick talent just a couple of years ago..
so, if Ainge believes that the strong lockerroom presence of Garnett/Pierce/Terry as well as Doc can keep him in line we should sign him for a cheap longer-term deal. its not every day Lottery pick talent falls into your lap for nothing
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I could not check one of the answers, because I would say sign him to another 10 day after the first one expires and see how he does before making a longer term decision. So far, so good.
this is the smart move. if he looks good during that run, sign him for the year. if he still looks good, then sign him for next year before the season is out
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I need to see more.
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Are players in 10 day contracts considered to be on rosters on March 1? If not, then there's no room for more "10 day" contracts. He needs to be signed for the rest of the year. Don't see much of a point to keep evaluating the situation personally.
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The March 1 deadline is for being waived by a team so that you can be eligible for another team's playoff roster. You aren't stuck with the guys who have on the roster on March.
The reason you would keep T-Will on a second ten-day contract is so that you aren't committed to him if someone you like better is waived by the March 1 deadline.
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Love this kid. Wanted Boston to trade for him when he played in Sacremento and wanted Boston to sign him this summer
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The March 1 deadline is for being waived by a team so that you can be eligible for another team's playoff roster. You aren't stuck with the guys who have on the roster on March.
The reason you would keep T-Will on a second ten-day contract is so that you aren't committed to him if someone you like better is waived by the March 1 deadline.
That's true, completely misremembered. Having a tough time figuring who'd fit better. He fills two holes in our roster, adds much needed size to our guard rotation.
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I think another 2nd 10 day signing is required to fully assess his abilities. But after finally getting to watch last nights game, call me pessimistic he will stick.
What got him out of the nba is still there. Jump shot is not consistent and is turnover prone. He looks lost in knowing when to score vs pass. I mean he knows how to pass , but doesn't know at times to drive in or shoot instead. Also finishing around the rim was considered one of his issues. Saw it him miss the net twice on semi difficult layups.
Again i'm being a little bit hard on him but i'm not all that impressed so far
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If he'd agree to a one-year deal, with a second year non-guaranteed team option, then I think we need to go that route. If nothing else, it gives us a trade asset for the early part of next summer.
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If he'd agree to a one-year deal, with a second year non-guaranteed team option, then I think we need to go that route. If nothing else, it gives us a trade asset for the early part of next summer.
We foolishly did not do that for Stiemsma.
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If he'd agree to a one-year deal, with a second year non-guaranteed team option, then I think we need to go that route. If nothing else, it gives us a trade asset for the early part of next summer.
We foolishly did not do that for Stiemsma.
It is possible that Stiemsma refused to sign that sort of contract.
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If he'd agree to a one-year deal, with a second year non-guaranteed team option, then I think we need to go that route. If nothing else, it gives us a trade asset for the early part of next summer.
We foolishly did not do that for Stiemsma.
It is possible that Stiemsma refused to sign that sort of contract.
Yeah, since Danny isn't a complete issue, I'm sure the idea of giving a non-guaranteed second year didn't just slip his mind. Rather, I'm sure Stiemer's agent objected to it.
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I think another 2nd 10 day signing is required to fully assess his abilities. But after finally getting to watch last nights game, call me pessimistic he will stick.
What got him out of the nba is still there. Jump shot is not consistent and is turnover prone. He looks lost in knowing when to score vs pass. I mean he knows how to pass , but doesn't know at times to drive in or shoot instead. Also finishing around the rim was considered one of his issues. Saw it him miss the net twice on semi difficult layups.
Again i'm being a little bit hard on him but i'm not all that impressed so far
Were you watching the same game or the same person?
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I think another 2nd 10 day signing is required to fully assess his abilities. But after finally getting to watch last nights game, call me pessimistic he will stick.
What got him out of the nba is still there. Jump shot is not consistent and is turnover prone. He looks lost in knowing when to score vs pass. I mean he knows how to pass , but doesn't know at times to drive in or shoot instead. Also finishing around the rim was considered one of his issues. Saw it him miss the net twice on semi difficult layups.
Again i'm being a little bit hard on him but i'm not all that impressed so far
Were you watching the same game or the same person?
maybe he was expecting us to pick up Dwayne Wade off the waiver wire?
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def a 2nd 10 day
then sign him to 2-3 years i'd say
would probably be fair trade bait
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The March 1 deadline is for being waived by a team so that you can be eligible for another team's playoff roster. You aren't stuck with the guys who have on the roster on March.
The reason you would keep T-Will on a second ten-day contract is so that you aren't committed to him if someone you like better is waived by the March 1 deadline.
Or you could take both?
def a 2nd 10 day
then sign him to 2-3 years i'd say
would probably be fair trade bait
Two years is okay by me, for maybe 4 million?
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Another 10-day and then maybe a 1 year. Or another 10-day contract. We'll how he does against Portland.
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I think another 2nd 10 day signing is required to fully assess his abilities. But after finally getting to watch last nights game, call me pessimistic he will stick.
What got him out of the nba is still there. Jump shot is not consistent and is turnover prone. He looks lost in knowing when to score vs pass. I mean he knows how to pass , but doesn't know at times to drive in or shoot instead. Also finishing around the rim was considered one of his issues. Saw it him miss the net twice on semi difficult layups.
Again i'm being a little bit hard on him but i'm not all that impressed so far
So because he hadn't played for a bit. Made some crazy travel arrangements to catch up with the team, no practices with the team, played one and a half games, but still looked solid, your not impressed?
I mean I get not jumping up and down thinking we got a new go to guy, but for what he's gone threw to get to this point in a matter of days, and also trying not to mess up so he can finish the season with a NBA team, and not just a scrub NBA team, he's playing in front of PP and KG and the Jet, how well would your first couple games go?
I think he's shown at least enough to get the second 10 contract, and if he plays even this well over the next few games a spot on the bench. If he gets floor time who knows, but there are worse guards out there.
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If we sign him to a one-year contract does that influence our ability to sign a big man?
If not, I say sign him to a one-year.
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Another 10-day and then maybe a 1 year. Or another 10-day contract. We'll how he does against Portland.
You can only sign a player to two ten-day contracts. Then you have to sign him for the rest of the season.
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He is an underrated player, very talented, Celtics should sign for the rest of the season.
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Love Terrence.
We should keep him for the remainder of the season.
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He is an underrated player, very talented, Celtics should sign for the rest of the season.
With a team option for a second year. His agent might say no, but I'd try to lock him up for a second year. That would give us early bird rights.
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He is an underrated player, very talented, Celtics should sign for the rest of the season.
With a team option for a second year. His agent might say no, but I'd try to lock him up for a second year. That would give us early bird rights.
One thing Ainge could do, if there's enough room, is use a portion of the bi-annual exception on Terrence (an exception I don't think we'll end up using next year), which may allow us to give Williams more money this year, and at the same time secure him in contract for next year.
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He is an underrated player, very talented, Celtics should sign for the rest of the season.
With a team option for a second year. His agent might say no, but I'd try to lock him up for a second year. That would give us early bird rights.
One thing Ainge could do, if there's enough room, is use a portion of the bi-annual exception on Terrence (an exception I don't think we'll end up using next year), which may allow us to give Williams more money this year, and at the same time secure him in contract for next year.
I think that would be a waste of money. Williams is a minimum-level player right now, and there's no need to limit potential flexibility next season.
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He is an underrated player, very talented, Celtics should sign for the rest of the season.
With a team option for a second year. His agent might say no, but I'd try to lock him up for a second year. That would give us early bird rights.
One thing Ainge could do, if there's enough room, is use a portion of the bi-annual exception on Terrence (an exception I don't think we'll end up using next year), which may allow us to give Williams more money this year, and at the same time secure him in contract for next year.
I think that would be a waste of money. Williams is a minimum-level player right now, and there's no need to limit potential flexibility next season.
I'd sacrifice that flexibility for someone who'll be an expiring contract next year, plus will make some of our bigger contracts in our guard rotation expendable to be used to try and trade for a bigger fish.
We're very limited in the additional money we can waste this year, so don't see much of an issue.
The important consideration for me is, what are the projections for next year Salary Cap, and how far along are we under the Apron so that we can fit a full mid-level player, and make decisions based on that.
But also remember, that if you think you have a good opportunity for a sign and trade, just for kicks say Al Jefferson, then that means you can't use the full MLE exception, so you're better off having someone like Terrence in the roster, at relatively very low money, and turning your expendable players into more value if the opportunity presents itself.
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He is an underrated player, very talented, Celtics should sign for the rest of the season.
With a team option for a second year. His agent might say no, but I'd try to lock him up for a second year. That would give us early bird rights.
One thing Ainge could do, if there's enough room, is use a portion of the bi-annual exception on Terrence (an exception I don't think we'll end up using next year), which may allow us to give Williams more money this year, and at the same time secure him in contract for next year.
I think that would be a waste of money. Williams is a minimum-level player right now, and there's no need to limit potential flexibility next season.
To be honest, from the super-small sample size of the past two games, he's more than a minimum-level player.
He could potentially reject a minimum contract offer. I would if I were him (if I continued to play well for the next three games). Will he show he's worth more?
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He is an underrated player, very talented, Celtics should sign for the rest of the season.
With a team option for a second year. His agent might say no, but I'd try to lock him up for a second year. That would give us early bird rights.
One thing Ainge could do, if there's enough room, is use a portion of the bi-annual exception on Terrence (an exception I don't think we'll end up using next year), which may allow us to give Williams more money this year, and at the same time secure him in contract for next year.
I think that would be a waste of money. Williams is a minimum-level player right now, and there's no need to limit potential flexibility next season.
To be honest, from the super-small sample size of the past two games, he's more than a minimum-level player.
He could potentially reject a minimum contract offer. I would if I were him (if I continued to play well for the next three games). Will he show he's worth more?
He won't reject a minimum contract offer this year. No one is going to offer him more.
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He is an underrated player, very talented, Celtics should sign for the rest of the season.
With a team option for a second year. His agent might say no, but I'd try to lock him up for a second year. That would give us early bird rights.
One thing Ainge could do, if there's enough room, is use a portion of the bi-annual exception on Terrence (an exception I don't think we'll end up using next year), which may allow us to give Williams more money this year, and at the same time secure him in contract for next year.
I think that would be a waste of money. Williams is a minimum-level player right now, and there's no need to limit potential flexibility next season.
To be honest, from the super-small sample size of the past two games, he's more than a minimum-level player.
He could potentially reject a minimum contract offer. I would if I were him (if I continued to play well for the next three games). Will he show he's worth more?
He won't reject a minimum contract offer this year. No one is going to offer him more.
That's what we said about the German guy who was offered a ten-day.
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He is an underrated player, very talented, Celtics should sign for the rest of the season.
With a team option for a second year. His agent might say no, but I'd try to lock him up for a second year. That would give us early bird rights.
One thing Ainge could do, if there's enough room, is use a portion of the bi-annual exception on Terrence (an exception I don't think we'll end up using next year), which may allow us to give Williams more money this year, and at the same time secure him in contract for next year.
I think that would be a waste of money. Williams is a minimum-level player right now, and there's no need to limit potential flexibility next season.
To be honest, from the super-small sample size of the past two games, he's more than a minimum-level player.
He could potentially reject a minimum contract offer. I would if I were him (if I continued to play well for the next three games). Will he show he's worth more?
He won't reject a minimum contract offer this year. No one is going to offer him more.
That's what we said about the German guy who was offered a ten-day.
Huh? Has someone offered him more than a vet. min. contract?
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He is a rental, I think.
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I'm not going to say its over or anything yet. But his inability to score is going to get him a boot for the 2nd time from the nba soon.
All that fancy dribbling, lebron james like body wont' save him if he can't score. People will be guarding off of him every single time.
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I'd say he's a lock to get a min deal the rest of the season. Assuming he hasn't acted like a complete idiot off the court since he arrived, Ainge will want to get a longer long at him for the future.
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I'd say he's a lock to get a min deal the rest of the season. Assuming he hasn't acted like a complete idiot off the court since he arrived, Ainge will want to get a longer long at him for the future.
sorry but how is he a lock?? He showed us one decent game vs the suns and thats it. Outside of his passing, half the time is missing shots.
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dump him
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I'd say he's a lock to get a min deal the rest of the season. Assuming he hasn't acted like a complete idiot off the court since he arrived, Ainge will want to get a longer long at him for the future.
sorry but how is he a lock?? He showed us one decent game vs the suns and thats it. Outside of his passing, half the time is missing shots.
They only signed him to a 10-Day as a safety net to be sure he's not a distraction. If he isn't, he's staying.
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I'd say he's a lock to get a min deal the rest of the season. Assuming he hasn't acted like a complete idiot off the court since he arrived, Ainge will want to get a longer long at him for the future.
sorry but how is he a lock?? He showed us one decent game vs the suns and thats it. Outside of his passing, half the time is missing shots.
They only signed him to a 10-Day as a safety net to be sure he's not a distraction. If he isn't, he's staying.
last time i checked you don't sign a player bc now he is a goodboy.
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I don't think I'd be comfortable signing him for any extended period of time without seeing him for another 10 day contract. There is a reason this kid hasn't been in the NBA the last couple years and its because he lacks the ability to score and can be turnover prone. I, like everybody else, love his versatility and physical skills but its just too soon to commit to him (especially with the buyout being March 1st). Besides if he isn't confident enough that he is going to be able to show enough after another 10 days to stick around, I don't know if I want him at all.
If he takes another 10 day and shows promise and that his time in China has helped his game develop, then by all means sign him for the rest of the season. I'd be hesitant to go for any longer than that, but if the kid works out and shows that he can live up to his previous billing he could be a good asset on our team, as a part of a trade or freeing us up to move one of our more expensive SGs. So really signing him beyond this year is all up to Danny and any moves he expects to be making in the future.
I envision him being a part of our playoff run for the rest of the season and moving on next year (unless he is willing to sign an unguaranteed contract for next season, which I'd jump on).
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Keep him, theres no downside to keeping an extra body for the rest of the year
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He is a rental for the rest of the year as I see it.
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Keep him, theres no downside to keeping an extra body for the rest of the year
i agree but they have to benefit the team somehow someway.
There are tons of other players that may do better. For example Travis Leslie from the nbdl.
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He is a rental for the rest of the year as I see it.
Exactly. Solid upside in a thin position, so worth taking a look at with an extra roster spot.
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Keep him for the rest of the year, with a non-guaranteed deal for next year. If he pans out, then he'll be a cheap contract for next year. If not, he's the perfect trade ballast in the offseason, since his salary can bring back things in trades, but the other team will not have to keep him. In the meantime, his versatility is useful on a roster with two players out for the year, and a rookie who's ny ready for meaningful action.
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More versatile than Crawford. Wish we have him locked and Crawford on a 10 day.