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Title: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Smokeeye123 on February 23, 2013, 02:35:45 PM
Post your lineup of the most underrated players at each position. I'll go first,

C)Robin Lopez
Pf)David Lee
Sf)Paul George
G)Evan Turner
PG)Jrue Holiday
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 23, 2013, 02:37:34 PM
Post your lineup of the most underrated players at each position. I'll go first,

C)Robin Lopez
Pf)David Lee
Sf)Paul George
G)Evan Turner
PG)Jrue Holiday

Jrue and George aren't really underrated, are they?
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Bender B. Rodriguez on February 23, 2013, 02:38:03 PM
C) Robin Lopez
PF) Paul Millsap
SF) Jeff Green
G) Avery Bradley
PG) Jrue Holiday
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Bender B. Rodriguez on February 23, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
Post your lineup of the most underrated players at each position. I'll go first,

C)Robin Lopez
Pf)David Lee
Sf)Paul George
G)Evan Turner
PG)Jrue Holiday

Jrue and George aren't really underrated, are they?

Jrue and George are underrated because their actual value is much higher than their perceived value. Yes, Jrue's an All-Star, but I almost think that he or Kyrie (gasp) could've started over Bosh in the All-Star Game. As for George, he's an unknown outside of Indiana.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticG1 on February 23, 2013, 02:40:33 PM
Ha these are had to do.

Are Holiday and George overrated? They are all-stars already so are they really superstars?

I think Deng is underrated in a sense but I think him being an all star overrates him.

I guesz you have to look at it as underappreciated
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Bender B. Rodriguez on February 23, 2013, 02:43:04 PM
Ha these are had to do.

Are Holiday and George overrated? They are all-stars already so are they really superstars?

I think Deng is underrated in a sense but I think him being an all star overrates him.

I guesz you have to look at it as underappreciated

That's why I put Green in there. Even by his own fanbase, he's really under-appreciated.

*cowers in basement waiting for firestorm to begin raining down upon him*
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticG1 on February 23, 2013, 02:58:19 PM
Pg- Andre Miller
SG- Kawhi Leornard
SF- Wilson Chandler
PF - David West
C - Jason Thompson

Id go with something like this.

Havent looked at their salaries but im sure they all have reasonable salaries if not underpaid, none are all-stars or have maybe made a couple appearances in total, all are pretty good 2 way players and all are rarely mentioned and never hit sports center haha
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Smokeeye123 on February 23, 2013, 03:21:43 PM
Post your lineup of the most underrated players at each position. I'll go first,

C)Robin Lopez
Pf)David Lee
Sf)Paul George
G)Evan Turner
PG)Jrue Holiday

Jrue and George aren't really underrated, are they?

Well they are certainly underrated by the media/fans.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: masteremile123 on February 23, 2013, 06:07:25 PM
Tony Parker
From the Spurs game I watch every year (around 40 games) I get the feeling that Tony doesn't even miss a shot. I really think he is one of the best players in the league and no one outside of San Antonio knows his true value.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 23, 2013, 06:08:28 PM
Kevin Garnett - that's game.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: celticmania on February 23, 2013, 06:49:35 PM
Ty Lawson
Grevis Vasques
Nic Batum
Jj Hickson
Serge Ibaka
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: The Rondo Show on February 23, 2013, 07:18:42 PM
1. Darren Collison
2. Lou Williams 
3. Jeff Green
4. Taj Gibson
5. Greg Monroe
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 23, 2013, 07:35:04 PM
Tony Parker - How this guy was not in the MVP discussion until Barkley brought it up is beyond me.
Wes Matthews - His contributions have been invaluable to Portland this year.
Kawhi Leonard - Pop called him the Spurs' future, yet no one knows him.  Great player.
Al Horford - Josh Smith has been getting all the buzz, but this guy is putting up numbers in the ATL.
Joakim Noah - Hasn't gotten anywhere near the credit he deserves for keeping Chicago relevant.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: TA9 on February 23, 2013, 07:44:06 PM
PG) Isaiah Thomas (The guy plays GREAT, but never gets recognized).

SG) Danny Green (Has established himself very well in the NBA)

SF) Jordan Hamilton (Will shock the league in some years, great scorer)

PF) Jared Sullinger (Do I need to explain my self ::)? )

C) Nikola Vucevic (Has played very well for the Magic this season)
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: hardlyyardley on February 23, 2013, 08:01:22 PM
Spencer Hawes
Joachim Noah
Andre Miller
Ibaka
Haslem
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Edgar on February 23, 2013, 08:08:07 PM
Spencer Hawes
Joachim Noah
Andre Miller
Ibaka
Haslem

noah is an all star, Ibaka is loved

I like th eother 3 options
specially Miller
I will start my list with him

Dunleavy is maybe No.2
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Edgar on February 23, 2013, 08:11:03 PM
Andre Miller
Avery Bradley
Mike Dunleavy
Luis Scola

I will start here
maybe i will end with a full draft
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: fitzhickey on February 23, 2013, 08:15:34 PM
Kemba walker (not sure if he's still underrated)
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Nicholas batum
Robin Lopez
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Edgar on February 23, 2013, 08:18:15 PM
Kemba walker (not sure if he's still underrated)
Avery Bradley
Paul George
Nicholas batum
Robin Lopez
kemba is loved hes a high pick and a developed all star
paul George is an all star
I like Robis as underrated but he is not an all star in the body of a nonallstar

the players who are considered underated for me have to qualify as once  all stars who never were picked af an all star
or close
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Eddie20 on February 24, 2013, 12:07:57 AM
PG- Isiah Thomas
SG- Gordon Hayward
SF- Jeff Green
PF- LaMarcus Aldridge (his name is never mentioned as a top flight big)
C- Nikola Pekovic
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 24, 2013, 12:10:44 AM
I have to agree with LMA. I think he's the best big in the league (I'm weird)
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: syfy9 on February 24, 2013, 12:41:00 AM
PG: Tony Parker (He's averaging 22 ppg, 8 apg, on 53% FG shooting. Top 5 PG right now. So, so good at scoring and should be in contention for MVP.)

SG: Greivis Vasquez (Leading the league in assists, unknown throughout.)

SF: Chandler Parsons (One of the smartest/skilled players and moves so well without the ball. Can do everything.)

PF: Ryan Anderson (He's always been underrated, but this guy is a top 3 shooter in the NBA in my mind. He's also a great scrapper and will fight for boards.)

C: JJ Hickson (He has great footwork and is averaging a double double. Not very many people outside of Portland take him into account.)

Joakim Noah is also underrated. Best passing big in the game and contributes so much on D.

I don't really like Robin Lopez, but hey. Maybe that's why he's underrated. Stats could be lying.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Celtics18 on February 24, 2013, 01:43:36 AM
Tony Parker
OJ Mayo
Andrei Kirilenko
David Lee
Larry Sanders

Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on February 24, 2013, 01:59:08 AM
PG: Tony Parker (He's averaging 22 ppg, 8 apg, on 53% FG shooting. Top 5 PG right now. So, so good at scoring and should be in contention for MVP.)

SG: Greivis Vasquez (Leading the league in assists, unknown throughout.)

SF: Chandler Parsons (One of the smartest/skilled players and moves so well without the ball. Can do everything.)

PF: Ryan Anderson (He's always been underrated, but this guy is a top 3 shooter in the NBA in my mind. He's also a great scrapper and will fight for boards.)

C: JJ Hickson (He has great footwork and is averaging a double double. Not very many people outside of Portland take him into account.)

Joakim Noah is also underrated. Best passing big in the game and contributes so much on D.

I don't really like Robin Lopez, but hey. Maybe that's why he's underrated. Stats could be lying.

I like this list. David Lee (but he has a super hot wife, so I'm not sure he needs any further validation) and Tony Parker (even though I find him incredibly annoying), too.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: indeedproceed on February 24, 2013, 02:16:08 AM
Tayshaun Prince comes to mind.

Parsons I think is about to jump the underrated shark to become overrated. Pau Gasol and Elton Brand have jumped the overrated shark to become underrated.

All underrated team?

Pg: George Hill
SG: Gordon Hayward (won't last long)
Sf: I don't really know. Harrison Barnes, Prince, and Rudy Gay all come to mind. Alonzo Gee as well
PF: definitely David Lee
C: Joakim Noah
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: xmuscularghandix on February 24, 2013, 02:23:55 AM
Ty Lawson (16pts, 7reb, 2ast) for one of the West's best teams. Should have been an All-Star)

Evan Turner (13pts, 6reb, 4ast) it's taken him a while to figure out his role in the NBA... but it'd probably take anyone that long when you're expecting him to be good at everything. Philly may have fallen back from the pack after being tricked by Andrew Bynum and his agent but the steps forward by Jrue Holiday and Turner have kept the team somewhat afloat.

Chandler Parsons (14pts, 5reb, 3ast) on a team whose gone through a few up and downs, but will scare the hell out of even the best team's... if they can hold on to that 8 spot. And it's only his 2nd season.

Serge Ibaka (13pts, 7reb, 3blk, 55%) The defensive anchor for the best team in the West (my opinion). Ibaka's tenacity, consistency, and efficiency is why i believe he's the 2nd most valuable player on the thunder.

Al Jefferson (17pts, 9reb, 2ast) Big Al is a walking double double and the best low post scorer in the NBA. But somehow the guy is ignored on All-Star teams and completely undervalued around the league.... can't wait to see him back in green :)
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: ejk3489 on February 24, 2013, 02:24:01 AM
Tony Parker
OJ Mayo
Andrei Kirilenko
David Lee
Larry Sanders

Agree with these plus David West and Marc Gasol.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 24, 2013, 02:49:58 AM
Joakim Noah
David West
Nick Batum
Paul George
Tony Parker
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Who on February 24, 2013, 05:50:08 AM
Jose Calderon
Klay Thompson
Tayshaun Prince, Thabo Sefolosha
Taj Gibson
Enes Kanter, maybe Larry Sanders. 
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 24, 2013, 06:06:41 AM
Jose Calderon
JJ Redick
Andrei Kirilenko
Andray Blatche
Joakim Noah
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: crimson_stallion on February 24, 2013, 07:19:03 AM
Jose Calderon
Monta Ellis
Andre Iguodala
Lemarcus Aldridge
Al Hortford

Calderon has always been among league leaders in assists Per minute, he's keeps his turnovers dowm, and he's shot Steve Nash like numbers from everywhere on the court throughout his NBA career.  Despite all this he gets pretty much zero recognition on a consistent basis - most people don't know he even exists.

Monta Ellis has been one of the leagues elite scorers every season since he's been in it.  This guy is almost an Allen Iverson (in his peak) calibre scorer for his career, but has never made an all-star team and rarely gets talked about because he always played on bad teams.

Iggy has always flown under the radar and consistently misses all star games.  He's been one of the best perimeter defnders in the game his whole career, he's super athletic, his strong as an ox, he's a great rebounder, he's a capable scorer and passer.  There is nothing Iggy doesn't do, yet people rarely ever talk about him.

Aldridge is a guy who more or less does it all.  He's a quality scoring big who can play in the post, he's a solid defender, a decent (if not spectacular) rebounder, good passer.  Near 7-foot guys with skill are rare, yet Aldridge is consistently ignored when the discussion of the 'top bigs' is happening.

As with Aldridge, Hortford is a great big. Excellent rebounder, tough defender, strong and athletic, inside-out scorer and a very good passer.  When has he ever received any recognition?
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Rtpas11 on February 24, 2013, 07:23:13 AM
PG: Goran Dragic
SG: Arron Afflalo
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Larry Sanders
C : Nikola Vucevic
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: crimson_stallion on February 24, 2013, 07:51:29 AM
On that note, my All-Overated team:

Derek Rose
Luol Deng
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin
Dwight Howard

Everybody on this list has been either labelled as a superstar, or has made multiple All-Star teams.  Here's why I do not agree..

Derek Rose gets so much undue media attention that it makes me sick.  He's a mediocre defender, his a 'decent' rebounder, he's not an elite playmaker.  More importantly he's not an Elite scorer - he's not a great three point shooter, not a great midrange shooter...his only real offensive skill is driving to the basket.  He scores big numbers because he pretty much takes more shot attempts than any other PG in the NBA not named Westbrook.  To add to all of this he has shown absolutely zero ability to lead his team deep in the playoffs, and  the team managed to maintain the best record in the NBA without him.

Luol Deng is now a two time all-star...are you kidding me?  Sure he's a nice player, but he is NOT an all star.  The guy plays decent defense yet I've never seen him dominate a game on the defensive end like Iggy an.  He's a capable scorer, but I've never seen him dominate on offence like Pierce can.  He's a decent passer and rebounder, but there are better.  This guy is a solid player, but is little more than a very good role player who has never won anything meaningful in his entire lifetime.

Kevin Love.  He's an undersized PF who is slow and unathletic, he's a horrendous defender, he cannot score inside to save his life (he ranks bottom 5 in the NBA in FG% in the restricted area) and lives off jumpers - which he ironically shoots at a pretty weak percentage.  Fills box scores by jacking a billion shots on a terrible team.  Oh, he IS a very good rebounder...yep that's about his only talent.  Terrible player who somehow gets hailed as the best PF in the NBA...disgraceful.

Blake Griffin...immortalised as a rookie the cameras seem to magically appear anytime this guy is around.  Multi=time all star already after two or three years in the NBA, a media wet dream and seems like peopel already talk about him like he's a hall of famer.  What is he good at?  Rebounding and dunking, that's it.  Crappy jumper, no defense, no post game.  Wow.

Dwight Howard - yes you heard me!  Hailed as the best center since Shaq, Howard is an outstanding rebounder, a fantastic shotblocker and he can even wear a superman cape.  Problem...the guy has practically no post game and lacks the offensive talent to be the offensive leader of a team.  Next problem - the guy seems to average 5 fouls a game, he's an unsportsmanlike guy who constantly throws elbows, he's frequently suspended or fined, he's probably the worst free throw shooter SINCE Shaq and he makes every team he plays on a black hole with his selfish drama.  No denying he's very good, but I'd take Tyson Chandler on my team over this guy ANY DAY.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 24, 2013, 09:03:35 AM
Jose Calderon
Monta Ellis
Andre Iguodala
Lemarcus Aldridge
Al Hortford

Calderon has always been among league leaders in assists Per minute, he's keeps his turnovers dowm, and he's shot Steve Nash like numbers from everywhere on the court throughout his NBA career.  Despite all this he gets pretty much zero recognition on a consistent basis - most people don't know he even exists.

Monta Ellis has been one of the leagues elite scorers every season since he's been in it.  This guy is almost an Allen Iverson (in his peak) calibre scorer for his career, but has never made an all-star team and rarely gets talked about because he always played on bad teams.

Iggy has always flown under the radar and consistently misses all star games.  He's been one of the best perimeter defnders in the game his whole career, he's super athletic, his strong as an ox, he's a great rebounder, he's a capable scorer and passer.  There is nothing Iggy doesn't do, yet people rarely ever talk about him.

Aldridge is a guy who more or less does it all.  He's a quality scoring big who can play in the post, he's a solid defender, a decent (if not spectacular) rebounder, good passer.  Near 7-foot guys with skill are rare, yet Aldridge is consistently ignored when the discussion of the 'top bigs' is happening.

As with Aldridge, Hortford is a great big. Excellent rebounder, tough defender, strong and athletic, inside-out scorer and a very good passer.  When has he ever received any recognition?

I 100% agree that Jose Calderon is the most underrated PG in the NBA. I think we should close the debate on PGs

Regarding Monta Ellis, though, you are making crazy talk. That guy is a net negative
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 24, 2013, 09:04:36 AM
C) Robin Lopez
PF) Paul Millsap
SF) Jeff Green
G) Avery Bradley
PG) Jrue Holiday

I think Milsap or David West has to be power forward on the all underrated team. Good call
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 24, 2013, 09:22:08 AM
Tony Parker
OJ Mayo
Andrei Kirilenko
David Lee
Larry Sanders

TP for Kirilenko. I think that's the right answer
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: makaveli on February 24, 2013, 09:29:17 AM
pg- nate robinson
sg- gordon hayward
sf- tyshaun prince
pf- chris wilcox( maybe a C but still...)
c- greg monroe
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 24, 2013, 09:32:20 AM
If Andrew Bogut was healthy, I think that he would have to have the center position locked up. Otherwise it has to be Sam Dalembert, who is a top 10 defender and rebounder most years and not a bad shooter, yet he gets absolutely no recognition.

At shooting guard, the best answer to this question used to be JJ Reddick, though now everyone is talking about him. I think that's still my vote

Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: scaryjerry on February 24, 2013, 09:33:31 AM
Post your lineup of the most underrated players at each position. I'll go first,

C)Robin Lopez
Pf)David Lee
Sf)Paul George
G)Evan Turner
PG)Jrue Holiday

Jrue and George aren't really underrated, are they?

Yeah...3 of his guys made the all star game, cool thread but....
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: Celtics18 on February 24, 2013, 11:59:22 AM
Tayshaun Prince comes to mind.

Parsons I think is about to jump the underrated shark to become overrated. Pau Gasol and Elton Brand have jumped the overrated shark to become underrated.

All underrated team?

Pg: George Hill
SG: Gordon Hayward (won't last long)
Sf: I don't really know. Harrison Barnes, Prince, and Rudy Gay all come to mind. Alonzo Gee as well
PF: definitely David Lee
C: Joakim Noah

I don't want to pick on your list; for the most part I like it, I'm just having a hard time imagining what good things one could possibly have to say about Alonzo Gee's game. 
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 24, 2013, 12:21:26 PM
Mike Conley
Thabo Sefolosha
Andrei Kirilenko
Paul Millsap
I think Marc Gasol is seriously underrated among casual fans, but overall I'll go with Omer Asik

So, mostly guys who play good D, are versatile but don't excel in any one area, or both.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: syfy9 on February 24, 2013, 01:21:52 PM
Blake Griffin...immortalised as a rookie the cameras seem to magically appear anytime this guy is around.  Multi=time all star already after two or three years in the NBA, a media wet dream and seems like peopel already talk about him like he's a hall of famer.  What is he good at?  Rebounding and dunking, that's it.  Crappy jumper, no defense, no post game.  Wow.

Dwight Howard - yes you heard me!  Hailed as the best center since Shaq, Howard is an outstanding rebounder, a fantastic shotblocker and he can even wear a superman cape.  Problem...the guy has practically no post game and lacks the offensive talent to be the offensive leader of a team.  Next problem - the guy seems to average 5 fouls a game, he's an unsportsmanlike guy who constantly throws elbows, he's frequently suspended or fined, he's probably the worst free throw shooter SINCE Shaq and he makes every team he plays on a black hole with his selfish drama.  No denying he's very good, but I'd take Tyson Chandler on my team over this guy ANY DAY.


Disagree. Howard and Griffin get bashed so often for being overrated that they are pretty underrated right now.

Howard was the offensive leader in Orlando. There's a reason why they built their team with 3 point shooters such as Jason Richardson, Rashard Lewis, JJ Reddick, and Hedo; when Howard gets double teamed (sometimes even triple teamed) in the post. WHY would the opposing teams double/triple team a player that has no offensive post game whatsoever? Shouldn't they just let him throw up a random brick that has a low % shot? Howard has a post game - but he has only 1 go to move, and that's the running hook. Talent wise, he's not good in the post as many others, but it's hard to say that he's not an effective post player.

He does suck at free throws, but everyone knows that and makes fun of him for it. Not really overrated in that.


Also Blake Griffin. He's only 23. He's going to improve. He's shooting .662% FTs, so there's obvious improvement. He's getting close to the .70% average mark, but nobody is making a big deal about that. He doesn't just dunk and rebound. He's averaging 3.6 apg, which is great for a PF, plus 1.4 spg.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 24, 2013, 01:32:56 PM
I 100% agree that Jose Calderon is the most underrated PG in the NBA. I think we should close the debate on PGs

Greivis should be in consideration for that too.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 24, 2013, 02:07:08 PM
I 100% agree that Jose Calderon is the most underrated PG in the NBA. I think we should close the debate on PGs

Greivis should be in consideration for that too.

You're biased, bro.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 24, 2013, 02:15:18 PM
I 100% agree that Jose Calderon is the most underrated PG in the NBA. I think we should close the debate on PGs

Greivis should be in consideration for that too.

You're biased, bro.

How? I'm not even a NOH fan...
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: StartOrien on February 24, 2013, 02:37:19 PM
Greiviz Vasquez
Paul George
Corey Brewer
Paul Millsap
Al Horford
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 24, 2013, 02:45:46 PM
Greiviz Vasquez
Paul George
Corey Brewer
Paul Millsap
Al Horford

Absolutely Corey Brewer.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: StartOrien on February 24, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
Tony parker probably too. Never hear his name as an elite player, but hes easily top 10 player in the league.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 24, 2013, 03:04:37 PM
Tony parker probably too. Never hear his name as an elite player, but hes easily top 10 player in the league.

Top 5 and agreed. Top 3 or 2 is even possible tbh,
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 24, 2013, 03:05:08 PM
Tony parker probably too. Never hear his name as an elite player, but hes easily top 10 player in the league.

Totally.  He's been (in my mind) a legit MVP candidate last year and this year.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: StartOrien on February 24, 2013, 03:24:22 PM
Tony parker probably too. Never hear his name as an elite player, but hes easily top 10 player in the league.

Totally.  He's been (in my mind) a legit MVP candidate last year and this year.

Totally agree. But u ask a guy on the street top 5 pgs i bet hes left off the list 9 out of 10 times.
Title: Re: Your all-Underated Team
Post by: dasani on February 24, 2013, 04:15:33 PM
Jarret Jack/Tony Allen/Chandler Parsons/Zach Randolph/Al Horford