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Title: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ctrey on February 21, 2013, 10:43:07 PM
This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one. Let's recap in no real order:

Let Ray Allen not only leave for nothing in return, but go to the team that will most likely win the title this year. a team in our own conference. This because Danny told Ray was gone before getting the deal locked down, thus angering Ray, particularly when the deal fell apart and they had to walk the whole thing back. Imagine your boss says: "You're fired, you're fired for a guy who may or may not be better than you. Oh wait, the guy does not want to work here. Nevermind, get back to work."

Signed Darko who clearly wanted no part of Doc and Doc wanted no part of him.

Drafted one player with a back problem. A back problem. Find one, One athlete with back issues that ever really recovers.

Drafts another player that will not contribute for at least another two years if ever. The team already makes fun of what a ding bat this guy is. Publicly. Makes me really confident.

Signed Jason Terry who either does not fit in or who aged twenty years in the off season. If Terry could do his job, score, we would not have needed to trade for Jordan Crawford after Barbosa, who also would not have played if Terry could score anymore, went down. Think about it.

Let Greg Stiemsma go when we really could have used him and kept him had we cared. He has been better than Darko and Collins while playing for the Wolves.

Traded too much and then paid too much for Courtney Lee. Now in fairness Lee has finally started to show a pulse but we gave up too much for him. E'Twaun Moore has been just as good for millions less and we lost the Charlotte Bobcats first pick in the second round of this upcoming draft, which right now would be the 31st pick. Now this upcoming draft does not have any real stars but by all accounts it is deep. I would much rather have had Moore and that pick than Lee overpaid at 5 million per year for another four years.

Signed Jeff Green for nine million dollars a year for four years. I do not need to even go into this. everybody on this board and everybody in the NBA knows two things about that deal. One, the Celtics were bidding against nobody. Two, that Green was the most obscenely overpaid player in the off season. Think I am exaggerating? Garnett makes an average of 11.5 million per season over the term of his deal. Green makes nine. With an extra year. Nuff said.

Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 21, 2013, 10:45:32 PM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Cman on February 21, 2013, 10:46:14 PM
You've got to be kidding me.
Anyway, if its any solace, the seasons not over.
And Danny can still trade KG to the Clips on draft night, satisfying many here on Cblog.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 21, 2013, 10:47:16 PM
I'll just say, you have many valid points, but I must disagree about Lee and Green. Lee is worth it, and Green can be worth it. Fab was a gamble, and Sully... I really don't know. And for the trade deadline, there wasn't anything outstanding tbh

TP still deserved.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 21, 2013, 10:51:00 PM
I agree with you on some points. I also looked at this way as well. IF guys like Crawford Lee AB Green and Bass play pretty decent till the end of the year or even have a decent run in the playoffs, Danny could package a few of these guys together for something decent.

I agree Danny needed to get some height this trade deadline and didn't. But all of us thought getting Terry was going to be a perfect move for this team. Along with Clee coming in who is a better defender then ray was. So yes hindsight is always 20/20 but we just need a few guys to step up and it could make for an interesting off-season.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: LooseCannon on February 21, 2013, 10:52:12 PM
The reason Danny stays employed after the season is because ownership isn't a bunch of panicky idiots.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: gpap on February 21, 2013, 10:53:58 PM
I reckon we are going to hear about how Danny ingeniously assembled the championship team in 2007-08.

It was five years ago, but hey :D ???
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 21, 2013, 10:55:59 PM
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Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Geo123 on February 21, 2013, 10:56:52 PM
 I really hate to tell you this but we really needed a guard more than we needed a big.  WE HAD 3 GUARDS ON OUR ROSTER!!!!!!  Yes we need a big but we have KG, WIlcox, Green, Bass and Melo that can play the PF and C positions. 
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ctrey on February 21, 2013, 10:57:03 PM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

How so? Or are you just a a typical Kool-Aid drinker? Make one counter point. One. Of course I am sure it will be nonsense so I will not waste my time. So do not bother.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ctrey on February 21, 2013, 10:58:31 PM
You've got to be kidding me.
Anyway, if its any solace, the seasons not over.
And Danny can still trade KG to the Clips on draft night, satisfying many here on Cblog.

No, I am not kidding. Go through his moves this year and explain how they were good to great moves. By draft night, the Clippers will most likely not want KG anymore.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: TripleOT on February 21, 2013, 10:58:55 PM
Go to the Garden.  Look up at the rafters and see the 17th banner.  That should answer your question.  Ownership will have Ainge here as long as he wants to be here.  They rightfully believe in him. 

Ainge has mis-fired plenty, but that's the nature of the job.  If the Cs had a bit more luck ont he injury front, there could be two more banners in the rafters under his leadership.

I reckon we are going to hear about how Danny ingeniously assembled the championship team in 2007-08.

It was five years ago, but hey :D ???


Five whole years?  Detroit hasn't won a title in 8 seasons and can't sniff the playoffs.  Philly is 29 years title-less. The vaunted Spurs haven't hoisted a flag in 6 years.  Houston hasn't in 17 years.  For the rest of the teams, none of their players were born the last time their team won a title. Try some perspective.   
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: wahz on February 21, 2013, 10:59:35 PM
It might have something to do with the Celtics winning the title this year
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: rutzan on February 21, 2013, 11:00:48 PM
If you are a DA basher on Celtic Blog then you are here for a reason...you are a wannabe GM throwing in your 2 cents from the peanut gallery because you have nothing better to do!
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BballTim on February 21, 2013, 11:02:41 PM
Signed Jeff Green for nine million dollars a year for four years. I do not need to even go into this. everybody on this board and everybody in the NBA knows two things about that deal. One, the Celtics were bidding against nobody.

  Plenty of people say that Danny was bidding against nobody for Green, plenty of those people are very authoritative when they make that claim. None of them have the slightest idea whether it's true or not.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: jdz101 on February 21, 2013, 11:03:47 PM
We offered Ray double the money. He didnt want to stay. Besides Ray isnt playing very well at all this year. That is an empty point.

Regarding your back problems issue about sully; Dwight Howard looked fairly good against us yesterday after back surgery. Not only that, Dwight will continue to be dominant once he gets fully healthy.

Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ctrey on February 21, 2013, 11:04:28 PM
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The fact that unless you cheer without question any move this team makes your are derided and made fun of really saddens me. Can we not have a discussion over these points. I have sincerely believed since the start of this year that Danny had missed on a number of moves. I worried about signing Terry, I certainly had problems keeping Green and I hated our draft. So sue me. I have been a loyal fan of this team since the 80's I have loved them through the good and the bad. I think you can criticize a team and still care deeply.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: esel1000 on February 21, 2013, 11:06:08 PM
Danny just replaced Barbosa with Jordan Crawford for nothing other than Collins... He did more than most GMs at the deadline this year.

Seriously we could do way worse than Danny... you sound like Mazz...

To add: Danny would have been a fool to not take Sully at pick 21. And I bet you he still plays as a steal at 21 after the surgery
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: rutzan on February 21, 2013, 11:10:26 PM
please look up "sample size" on Google and let us know what you find...oh...and by the way...the celtics have played 52 games and have 30 games left...DA was hired May of 2003...how many people have a better track record...very few....and...DA did very well in phoenix before that as well...it's easy to cherry pick and try to pick someone apart...
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ctrey on February 21, 2013, 11:11:47 PM
If you are a DA basher on Celtic Blog then you are here for a reason...you are a wannabe GM throwing in your 2 cents from the peanut gallery because you have nothing better to do!

I am bashing what Danny has done this year. In general he has been a good GM but I am having doubts about him going forward. I am no wannabe gm. I am simply a fan of this team that thinks you can criticize your team while still hoping they do the best they can. Hurling insults indicates you are in the peanut gallery and have nothing better to do.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Cman on February 21, 2013, 11:12:48 PM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

How so? Or are you just a a typical Kool-Aid drinker? Make one counter point. One. Of course I am sure it will be nonsense so I will not waste my time. So do not bother.

The issue is that you are pretty off base on many of the points you list above.
Just to highlight a few:
1. Ray Allen. Danny tried to resign him, offered more than the Heat (much more according to some). Ray just didn't want to come back. Should he have anticipated this? Yes, and.... he did, which is why he tried to trade him last year.
2. Steemer. Danny could have kept him if he offered the MLE. Nothing less. Is Steemer worth the MLE and no Terry? In retrospect, maybe. But that's hindsight and only bc Terry hasn't panned out. Nothing to do with Steemer.
3. "A big". Is Danny supposed to trade for a big "no matter what" just bc we need a big? No. It depends on the cost of obtaining the big. Still not satisfied? Then wait a week. I guarantee there'll be a bench warming big on the bench.
4. Trading PP and KG. I'm with you that it's better to trade them than ride out the nostalgia... to a point. There are still opptys to trade- think draft night- and the pickings might be richer (J Smith was really only big name on the block; could be more/bigger names in late June).
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: manl_lui on February 21, 2013, 11:13:26 PM
he is one of the best GMs in the game. Since the KG trade, he got us a championship, 5 Atlantic division titles, 2 conference champions, and 3 conference and 2 finals appearance...

aside from that, every season he has worked his butt off to keep us in contention. His moves while controversial, does help us, because he wants what is best for the Celtics. Just because he didn't make any big trades this year is because he doesn't like what he is getting back from Pierce and KG. KG and Pierce may be 36 35 years old respectively, but their values are still high. You don't just trade them for scraps and low draft picks.

I am satisfied that Danny did not make any major moves and I am definitely happy that he is our GM. He is highly competent to remain as our GM for years to come. 
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Cman on February 21, 2013, 11:16:41 PM
I think this will sum it all up nicely:
Everyone wants Danny to trade like Darryl Morrey, but everyone wants the Cs to have the Cs record under Danny than the Rockets record under Morrey.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: rutzan on February 21, 2013, 11:17:15 PM
If you are a DA basher on Celtic Blog then you are here for a reason...you are a wannabe GM throwing in your 2 cents from the peanut gallery because you have nothing better to do!

I am bashing what Danny has done this year. In general he has been a good GM but I am having doubts about him going forward. I am no wannabe gm. I am simply a fan of this team that thinks you can criticize your team while still hoping they do the best they can. Hurling insults indicates you are in the peanut gallery and have nothing better to do.

"This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one."

i'm going to ask you a favor...please look up the definition of "zero"

Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Celtics18 on February 21, 2013, 11:17:40 PM
Both Terry and Green are starting to be worth their contracts lately.  Lee's been pretty good, too. 

Drafting Sully was a good move, even with his back problems.  And, I still have some hope for Melo.

All in all, I think Danny did a good job this past off season.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 21, 2013, 11:17:52 PM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

How so? Or are you just a a typical Kool-Aid drinker? Make one counter point. One. Of course I am sure it will be nonsense so I will not waste my time. So do not bother.

The issue is that you are pretty off base on many of the points you list above.
Just to highlight a few:
1. Ray Allen. Danny tried to resign him, offered more than the Heat (much more according to some). Ray just didn't want to come back. Should he have anticipated this? Yes, and.... he did, which is why he tried to trade him last year.
2. Steemer. Danny could have kept him if he offered the MLE. Nothing less. Is Steemer worth the MLE and no Terry? In retrospect, maybe. But that's hindsight and only bc Terry hasn't panned out. Nothing to do with Steemer.
3. "A big". Is Danny supposed to trade for a big "no matter what" just bc we need a big? No. It depends on the cost of obtaining the big. Still not satisfied? Then wait a week. I guarantee there'll be a bench warming big on the bench.
4. Trading PP and KG. I'm with you that it's better to trade them than ride out the nostalgia... to a point. There are still opptys to trade- think draft night- and the pickings might be richer (J Smith was really only big name on the block; could be more/bigger names in late June).

Thanks, you beat me to a few of those.  Stiemsma is the easiest one where our hands were simply tied.   And he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in Minnesota. 

We lost Ray for the sin of only offering him double what Miami did instead of triple.  And it's bad that we "bid against ourselves" on Green, despite no proof it was the case, but it's also bad that we didn't bid against ourselves on Ray, when by all accounts that was the case.  Bit of a double standard there.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BballTim on February 21, 2013, 11:19:06 PM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

How so? Or are you just a a typical Kool-Aid drinker? Make one counter point. One. Of course I am sure it will be nonsense so I will not waste my time. So do not bother.

  I'll make a counterpoint. If we play the Heat in the playoffs, our odds of winning the series probably go up the more Ray plays.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 11:21:09 PM
This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one. Let's recap in no real order:

Let Ray Allen not only leave for nothing in return, but go to the team that will most likely win the title this year. a team in our own conference. This because Danny told Ray was gone before getting the deal locked down, thus angering Ray, particularly when the deal fell apart and they had to walk the whole thing back. Imagine your boss says: "You're fired, you're fired for a guy who may or may not be better than you. Oh wait, the guy does not want to work here. Nevermind, get back to work."

I guess Danny should have done a better job getting something for Ray the first time around. Or are you saying he should have kept Ray, and not offer him up for a younger player who's having a career year this year (Mayo)?

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Signed Darko who clearly wanted no part of Doc and Doc wanted no part of him.

Yeah, offering a minimum contract to a 7-foot free agent was a huge mistake.

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Drafted one player with a back problem. A back problem. Find one, One athlete with back issues that ever really recovers.

I bet he should have taken Perry Jones, right?

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Drafts another player that will not contribute for at least another two years if ever. The team already makes fun of what a ding bat this guy is. Publicly. Makes me really confident.

I'm actually with you on this one.

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Signed Jason Terry who either does not fit in or who aged twenty years in the off season. If Terry could do his job, score, we would not have needed to trade for Jordan Crawford after Barbosa, who also would not have played if Terry could score anymore, went down. Think about it.

I like this line of reasoning. Ainge cobbles together a sign-and-trade for Lee by using a bunch of spare parts, which allows him to sign one of the top SG free agents of last summer to a MLE deal. He also manages to sign Barbosa to a minimum level contract, and then turns that contract and another min level contract in Collins to nab a young gunner on a rookie contract in a trade that virtually every media outlet I've read at the deadline has called an absolute heist. So, instead of applauding Ainge's resourcefulness in turning lemons into lemonade, blame him for Terry's performance so far.

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Let Greg Stiemsma go when we really could have used him and kept him had we cared. He has been better than Darko and Collins while playing for the Wolves.

Could not have kept Stiemsma. Wolves offered him a contract that Ainge could not match, by CBA rules.

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Traded too much and then paid too much for Courtney Lee. Now in fairness Lee has finally started to show a pulse but we gave up too much for him. E'Twaun Moore has been just as good for millions less and we lost the Charlotte Bobcats first pick in the second round of this upcoming draft, which right now would be the 31st pick. Now this upcoming draft does not have any real stars but by all accounts it is deep. I would much rather have had Moore and that pick than Lee overpaid at 5 million per year for another four years.

I think you're alone on that island. I'll take Lee over Moore and a pick in the 30s in this coming draft. Heck, if it really matters, Ainge can buy a 2nd rounder.

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Signed Jeff Green for nine million dollars a year for four years. I do not need to even go into this. everybody on this board and everybody in the NBA knows two things about that deal. One, the Celtics were bidding against nobody. Two, that Green was the most obscenely overpaid player in the off season. Think I am exaggerating? Garnett makes an average of 11.5 million per season over the term of his deal. Green makes nine. With an extra year. Nuff said.

I'm with you on this one. Green is overpaid.

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Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

I haven't looked at the schedule, but I don't think we play the Lakers again anytime soon. What's wrong with cast-offs? PJ Brown was a cast-off. I won't blame Ainge for not bringing in some big man help until he doesn't bring in big man help.

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Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

The litany of the "TANK NOW!" congregation. I'm not in the least interested in becoming Sacramento, Charlotte, or any of the other inept franchises that, year after year, circle Secaucus on their calendars, and pray for ping-pong balls.

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Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

Two words: global warming. It's coming, and Boston is going to reap the benefits in free agency. By the way, cap room isn't just for signing free agents. (No one seems to remember this, I don't know why.)

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So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.

Can't wait. I look forward to continued relevance in the NBA, watching Hall of Famers playing Celtic basketball. Who knows? Maybe Ainge breaks my heart at next year's trade deadline, trading the hated Green, Lee, and Bass for expiring contracts, Rondo for 1st rounders, and watching Pierce and Garnett's last season spent missing the playoffs and getting a lottery pick.

Until that happens, I won't blame Ainge for something he hasn't done. And as of right now, I'm not going to blame him for extending a three-year window for another three years. This last half decade has been more than I could have asked for as a Celtic fan.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ctrey on February 21, 2013, 11:24:53 PM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

How so? Or are you just a a typical Kool-Aid drinker? Make one counter point. One. Of course I am sure it will be nonsense so I will not waste my time. So do not bother.

The issue is that you are pretty off base on many of the points you list above.
Just to highlight a few:
1. Ray Allen. Danny tried to resign him, offered more than the Heat (much more according to some). Ray just didn't want to come back. Should he have anticipated this? Yes, and.... he did, which is why he tried to trade him last year.
2. Steemer. Danny could have kept him if he offered the MLE. Nothing less. Is Steemer worth the MLE and no Terry? In retrospect, maybe. But that's hindsight and only bc Terry hasn't panned out. Nothing to do with Steemer.
3. "A big". Is Danny supposed to trade for a big "no matter what" just bc we need a big? No. It depends on the cost of obtaining the big. Still not satisfied? Then wait a week. I guarantee there'll be a bench warming big on the bench.
4. Trading PP and KG. I'm with you that it's better to trade them than ride out the nostalgia... to a point. There are still opptys to trade- think draft night- and the pickings might be richer (J Smith was really only big name on the block; could be more/bigger names in late June).

OK, now we are having a discussion. My issues are with Danny's choices this year. As I pointed out, I think Allen was angered by the way his trade to Memphis nearly went down. That in my mind helped him decide to bolt. Regarding Terry and Steemer, fine point. I just worried from the beginning that paying Terry that much when he really was looking slow towards the end of the year made me very nervous.

Look, I love the Celtics. I have loved them since the early 80's living in Greece for crying out loud. I have never touched drugs because it scared me to death when Len Bias died. Stayed a fan while Gaston tried to rob the team blind with the Vin Baker trade. I just think you can give your team heat and still love them all the same. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: jasail on February 21, 2013, 11:29:54 PM
1) Ray's decision may have been affected by the trade rumors last year, but it may have been equally affected by Doc's decision to stay with AB once Ray came back, Ray's issues with Rondo and Ray's desire to win another championship, which like it or not the Heat are in a better position to do with the best player in NBA. 

2)Darko was a poor signing in retrospect. But it was a low risk move to find a big body that can rebound and he cost the team very little outside of a roster spot for a few weeks.

3 and 4)He took a risks drafting Sullinger and Melo. But this is NBA draft in the 20s. The success rate in this area is pretty low and Danny's been better than most.

Sullinger had red flags with injuries with his injury history but that is why a lotto talent was at 21.  He was a solid contributor until his injury and still has upside. 
Melo is clearly a project, but so was that pudgy Perkins kid. My question is who was available from 21 on that would have been a sure shot to contribute this year? 

5) Terry struggled early on, but as the season has progressed he looks more and more like the Jet. I agree that it's a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty contract with the MLE moving forward.

6) Agree with Steamer. He was a better option than both Darko and Collins. 

7) Disagree that he traded too much for Lee. Moore and the 31st pick are solid for a veteran guard that can defend multiple positions, handle the bar, shoot the 3 and get to the rim. Moore's putting up so-so numbers playing 20+ minutes on a terrible team; hardly inspiring. Lee's contract will probably be a slight overpay over its length, but it's hardly a bad deal.

8)Danny overpaid for Jeff. Jeff struggled to start the season, but he was coming off serious heart surgery.  Regardless, the money is a lot for a player that doesn't do anything exceptionally well, but then again he doesn't do anything poorly either.  Like Lee, he can defend multiple positions, shoot the 3, handle the ball and get to the rim.

9)Big men don't grow on trees. Finding a solid big man is difficult and/or expensive. Considering our trade chips, what big man was available?  I expect DA will address through waivers. 

10)I also fear about a 5 year future at the #8 seed.  However, there it wasn't that DA was unwilling to make trades to blow this team up, its that he couldn't find a willing partner.

There is still time to move PP and KG. This summer DA will have another chance to move these two and maybe Rondo, Lee and/or Green. This helps the C's gain young trade assets that can be used in the next trade for an all star veteran.  This is important because FAs have no interest in coming to Boston.  If he can do that and the team has a down year or two and gets a few lotto picks, the C's will likely be in good shape come 2015/2016. 

Moreover, you don't know how much DA is being influenced by Wyc, et al. They sell out the place, they have a playoff caliber team that can give you about 5-10 playoff games. It can't be easy for them to give DA the freedom to hit the red button and perhaps end up with a 30 win team and Red Sox like interest. 

I'm not totally happy with DA, but I think the OP is an overly hyperbolic knee jerk reaction to an underwhelming trade deadline and back to back losses on the road.   
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Yogi on February 21, 2013, 11:30:15 PM
It's a toss up between Morey and Ainge regarding who has been the best GM this season.  We lost our best player, our second best big, and our 5th guard to season ending injuries due to no one's fault.  That is a lot to recover from.  Take Lebron, Battier and Norris Cole from the Heat and how good would they be?  take Durant, Perkins and Eric Maynor from the Thunder and how good are they?  How good are the Spurs without Parker, Splitter and DeColo?  Despite that we're 8-2.  The proper response is thank you Mr. Ainge for building such a deep team despite having next to nothing to work with in the off season.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ctrey on February 21, 2013, 11:31:21 PM
If you are a DA basher on Celtic Blog then you are here for a reason...you are a wannabe GM throwing in your 2 cents from the peanut gallery because you have nothing better to do!



I am bashing what Danny has done this year. In general he has been a good GM but I am having doubts about him going forward. I am no wannabe gm. I am simply a fan of this team that thinks you can criticize your team while still hoping they do the best they can. Hurling insults indicates you are in the peanut gallery and have nothing better to do.

"This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one."

i'm going to ask you a favor...please look up the definition of "zero"

Seriously? Are you really that obtuse? Forget it. You are a first class "Malaka". Look that up.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: droopdog7 on February 21, 2013, 11:34:29 PM
To the OP, ask yourself one question; were you complaining like this at the time these moves were made?  Like has been said, hindsight is 20-20.  You make the best moves at the time, and let the chips fall where they may.

And I am sick and tired about those complaining about not getting a big man.  Seriously, how in the hell were we supposed to pick a decent big man with the assets we have?  There was never any way unless we were trading rondo or pierce.  And even then you might be surprised at how much value they really have in terms of bringing back size.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 11:38:31 PM
It's a toss up between Morey and Ainge regarding who has been the best GM this season.

Eh, I think it's still Morey.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Chief Macho on February 21, 2013, 11:38:36 PM
I'm starting to feel the same. We may need a new set of eye's on this team. 
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ctrey on February 21, 2013, 11:39:32 PM
To the OP, ask yourself one question; were you complaining like this at the time these moves were made?  Like has been said, hindsight is 20-20.  You make the best moves at the time, and let the chips fall where they may.

And I am sick and tired about those complaining about not getting a big man.  Seriously, how in the hell were we supposed to pick a decent big man with the assets we have?  There was never any way unless we were trading rondo or pierce.  And even then you might be surprised at how much value they really have in terms of bringing back size.

Actually, as I have been getting smacked around all year on this blog since the draft, yes. I have had my doubts all year about this team. Nothing seemed quite right. I hated our draft, although to be fair it was more the selection of Melo that got me angry. I really disliked signing Terry. He seemed old, needed the ball in his hands and would not be able to play Celtics defense. The Green signing made my hair go grey. So I have been on this rant all year. Sorry.

That said I still love and will always love the Celtics.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: rutzan on February 21, 2013, 11:42:52 PM
If you are a DA basher on Celtic Blog then you are here for a reason...you are a wannabe GM throwing in your 2 cents from the peanut gallery because you have nothing better to do!



I am bashing what Danny has done this year. In general he has been a good GM but I am having doubts about him going forward. I am no wannabe gm. I am simply a fan of this team that thinks you can criticize your team while still hoping they do the best they can. Hurling insults indicates you are in the peanut gallery and have nothing better to do.

"This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one."

i'm going to ask you a favor...please look up the definition of "zero"

Seriously? Are you really that obtuse? Forget it. You are a first class "Malaka". Look that up.

i loved the stories from the 1980's and Greece...very touching...
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 11:43:07 PM
So I have been on this rant all year. Sorry.

That said I still love and will always love the Celtics.

All right. That, I hope we can all agree on.

Sometimes, that doesn't seem to be the place where people are coming from.

Have a TP, take a deep breath, and strap in for the next couple of months, because it's about to get interesting.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Sketch5 on February 21, 2013, 11:44:48 PM
If your ticked that DA didn't do anything at trade time, well so didn't 29 other teams...28 if you count the Bucks trade for Redick as a BIG NAME trade.

In some ways this could help the future with players coming to Boston. If DA just traded PP and KG for some role players, then no one would want to come in fear that they would get shipped out for pieces.

In a couple years CAP will increase and some players may be available, which is one reason to keep Rondo, and Green two youngs that wanted to stay.

Its a balancing act that DA has to play, make the team attractive with out making bad moves that put them in the lotto.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: soap07 on February 21, 2013, 11:47:40 PM
Signed Jeff Green for nine million dollars a year for four years. I do not need to even go into this. everybody on this board and everybody in the NBA knows two things about that deal. One, the Celtics were bidding against nobody.

  Plenty of people say that Danny was bidding against nobody for Green, plenty of those people are very authoritative when they make that claim. None of them have the slightest idea whether it's true or not.

Did you see any media report whatsoever, anonymous source, anything that had any other team named? One? It seems odd that if there were other teams bidding on Green, not one reporter, in today's day in age with Twitter, blogs etc, wrote about it.


I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ctrey on February 21, 2013, 11:48:48 PM
If you are a DA basher on Celtic Blog then you are here for a reason...you are a wannabe GM throwing in your 2 cents from the peanut gallery because you have nothing better to do!



I am bashing what Danny has done this year. In general he has been a good GM but I am having doubts about him going forward. I am no wannabe gm. I am simply a fan of this team that thinks you can criticize your team while still hoping they do the best they can. Hurling insults indicates you are in the peanut gallery and have nothing better to do.

"This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one."

i'm going to ask you a favor...please look up the definition of "zero"

Seriously? Are you really that obtuse? Forget it. You are a first class "Malaka". Look that up.

i loved the stories from the 1980's and Greece...very touching...

Do you have one valid point to make? One insightful observation? Are you capable of any real contribution to anything at all? I am quite sure you are not.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: soap07 on February 21, 2013, 11:50:41 PM
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Let Ray Allen not only leave for nothing in return, but go to the team that will most likely win the title this year. a team in our own conference.

Did anyone else laugh out loud after reading this? "Let Ray Allen leave"? Jeez.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Smokeeye123 on February 21, 2013, 11:50:51 PM
This forum is knee jerk city. One week Doc sucks and should be fired, next week, fire danny. Couple weeks before it's TRADE RONDO, then we dont need rondo, then today somebody posts a "safe to say we miss rondo?" thread. That doesnt even mention the kick out KG and Pierce threads, then the threads about how "our team sucks now" and "I dont want to rebuild" that would surely come if we actually did.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ItStaysYang on February 21, 2013, 11:51:07 PM
Ignorant, nonsensical post by user who has no idea of the underbelly of NBA basketball operations  :-\
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: rutzan on February 21, 2013, 11:57:15 PM
while we're having fun...i looked up malaka...that stung...did you look up "sample size"...kg for 3 yrs...jet for 3 yrs...bass for 3 yrs...green for 4 yrs...lee for 4 yrs...for the "obtuse"...52/82 = 63.4% of yr 1...but you have instantly computed "zero"...i doubt you hold yourself up to the standards you impose on others...but...what do i know...i'm a malaka...ha, ha, ha...
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Onslaught on February 21, 2013, 11:58:55 PM
All the negativity that's in this site sucks.... it stinks. It makes the greatest forum, greatest Blog in the world, lousy
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 22, 2013, 12:06:48 AM
All the negativity that's in this site sucks.... it stinks. It makes the greatest forum, greatest Blog in the world, lousy

Negativity one can deal with. Irrational negativity, now that's a whole different ball game (same thing goes with irrational positivity). This thread has a whole lot of the former.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Onslaught on February 22, 2013, 12:08:42 AM
All the negativity that's in this site sucks.... it stinks. It makes the greatest forum, greatest Blog in the world, lousy

Negativity one can deal with. Irrational negativity, now that's a whole different ball game (same thing goes with irrational positivity). This thread has a whole lot of the former.
Oh I know. I won't even get into how much I don't agree with this topic. I was just pulling a Pitino.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 22, 2013, 12:11:17 AM
He keeps his job because he's good.

He missed on a few things but he did a good job making this roster to be a contender.

Also he didn't let Ray leave, he left. He drafted Sully in the 20's when he's being considered a top 10 talent. Its not his fault that Doc didn't play Darko but its not likenhe costes $5 million. Melo is a project so the jury is out in this one. The Lee trade was masterful, Moore and JJJ for a very reliable SG? Cmon now. Green as off now is overpaud but he's showing flashes that once he starts, he deserves that contract. He didn't get a big because he feels that the asking price for such bigs is too much that it will not help the team, but thats not for lack of effort. I read in hoopshype that he's still engage in talks to get Gortat at 2:59!

Then add the Crawford for practically NOTHING trade.

He's here because he's great.

Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: barefacedmonk on February 22, 2013, 12:11:30 AM
Just enjoy this team play out the rest of the season. Paul and KG will be gone in a year or two max. Enjoy what we have. Rebuilding and FAs will come with time. Its inevitable. We will have the cap space. And DA is a very competent GM.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: freshinthehouse on February 22, 2013, 12:25:26 AM
When it comes to bidding against ourselves for Green, I guarantee that the TWolves would've been after them after their attempt to sign Batum fell flat. 
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Kiorrik on February 22, 2013, 01:07:52 AM
ctrey, that was an impressive opening post.

TP for the effort and work that must've gone into that.

I disagree, but that was a solid opening statement and I actually didn't mind reading most of it.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 22, 2013, 02:46:02 AM
How long has it been, 6 seasons since the formation of the Big 3? Now, take those seasons (this one included no matter the outcome), I GUARANTEE that there are only a few teams who wouldn't take that over their past 6 season. Heck, Dallas won a chip too but the rest of their seasons don't match up! Championship, Finals (2x), ECF (4x?), division titles all except for this season (so far)?????? Hahahaha, all teams except Mia would take our last 6 seasons over theirs!! OKC would exchange it and they have a really good young team and of course Durant!! Any team can get an excellent player but doesn't mean they will win a chip! Heck, some of the worst teams have some of the best players in the game! Cleveland had LeBron and have nothing to show for him. Yes, Cleveland has Irving now but who really thinks they will be contending anytime soon? Now, take the time to REMEMBER the injuries that could have taken away a couple more chips from Danny's resume.

Is he going to be perfect in every decision he makes, NO... what GM is?
 
OH, about the draft... what scrub from the draft do you think Doc was going to play that was available instead of Melo. If we weren't going to play those scrubs no matter who they were, why not take a flier on someone who you think will be something in 2-3 seasons? Who else do you think was going to play b4 Collins, KG, Bass, Wilcox, and Darko at pick 22? Doc would rather play KG until he falls dead than go to any of our other bigs, yeah we were going to get someone who was going to change that  ::) Now, talk about Sully, we all knew he would need surgery eventually or always battle the pain. I bet right now all the gms besides a very small amount would rather have taken Sully than the guys they have... yep, even after the surgery! Sully will probably continue to prove Danny right in taking him (especially given that he was taken so late, it was pretty much a no brainer)!


I was gonna go point by point but many people have did a fine enough job already!
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: celticsleyte on February 22, 2013, 02:57:21 AM
The organization wanted to field a competitive team this year. Given that he has done a fine job.  Danny is a top five GM.  If the Celtics let him go he would have a job offer within a year.

If you do not care for a competitive team there are others to support.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: celtics2 on February 22, 2013, 05:01:28 AM
The Celts carry Management and Coaches for that matter way long into their talent demise. Outside of the KG Allen trades the Organization has sucked the blood out of Pierce. Never giving him a Team we call competitive enough for Championships. Outside passing skills Bird was no better. Boston has been 2nd rate fan wise for a long time once the Greater Boston area is left. Drafting and trading have been putrid. DA will be here for a long time as will Doc unless they volunteer retirement. That's the Celtics. Don't expect much. Even if we get a sniff of a decent player he heads for NY, LA or Miami as choices. DA was a hell of a player. As GM, very lucky.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 22, 2013, 05:08:40 AM
when we had shaq, we were one of the greatest starting 5 of all time... (when shaq was healthy)

yes im going there.... we had a future hall of famer playing at each starting position, and each player complimented each other.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BballTim on February 22, 2013, 05:17:30 AM
Signed Jeff Green for nine million dollars a year for four years. I do not need to even go into this. everybody on this board and everybody in the NBA knows two things about that deal. One, the Celtics were bidding against nobody.

  Plenty of people say that Danny was bidding against nobody for Green, plenty of those people are very authoritative when they make that claim. None of them have the slightest idea whether it's true or not.

Did you see any media report whatsoever, anonymous source, anything that had any other team named? One? It seems odd that if there were other teams bidding on Green, not one reporter, in today's day in age with Twitter, blogs etc, wrote about it.


I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems highly unlikely.

  You're saying the likely scenario is that Danny paid roughly twice what he needed to for Green for no reason at all? That's the likely scenario? I just don't see it.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BballTim on February 22, 2013, 05:34:54 AM
The Celts carry Management and Coaches for that matter way long into their talent demise. Outside of the KG Allen trades the Organization has sucked the blood out of Pierce. Never giving him a Team we call competitive enough for Championships. Outside passing skills Bird was no better.


  Bird was a better shooter/scorer and rebounder as well.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 22, 2013, 06:13:41 AM
Shooter, yes, scorer I dunno.  PP has passed him up.

Passing and rebounding wise Bird has clear edge.

Danny will be fine, I don't see him leaving.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: ederson on February 22, 2013, 06:14:53 AM
a little of topic but i like the way this is going ...
in a while you`ll all write in Greek and the forum will be much easier for me to follow :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BballTim on February 22, 2013, 06:46:43 AM
Shooter, yes, scorer I dunno.  PP has passed him up.

Passing and rebounding wise Bird has clear edge.

Danny will be fine, I don't see him leaving.

  PP put up a lot of points on bad teams. He'd have scored fewer points with better teammates (like Bird had).
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: mctyson on February 22, 2013, 06:51:20 AM
I think the cliche is...TLDR?
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Greenback on February 22, 2013, 06:52:11 AM
Mistakes were made.  Jerry West once said that its not the GMs that make the difference - its the owners.  I don't know how much he is right or wrong.

I was worried when I seen Sully, with his bad back, taking all those charges (for offensive fouls) like Big Baby and Posey used to do.  Not wise.

The Celtics could have traded their beloved Rondo for a half decent center.  There would be plenty of guards left over.

I think the Celtics love small ball because good centers are very expensive.  Is that an owner thing?
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Onslaught on February 22, 2013, 07:41:48 AM
Shooter, yes, scorer I dunno.  PP has passed him up.

Passing and rebounding wise Bird has clear edge.

Danny will be fine, I don't see him leaving.
It took Paul longer to get there then Bird. And Bird played for less years.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Cman on February 22, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

How so? Or are you just a a typical Kool-Aid drinker? Make one counter point. One. Of course I am sure it will be nonsense so I will not waste my time. So do not bother.

The issue is that you are pretty off base on many of the points you list above.
Just to highlight a few:
1. Ray Allen. Danny tried to resign him, offered more than the Heat (much more according to some). Ray just didn't want to come back. Should he have anticipated this? Yes, and.... he did, which is why he tried to trade him last year.
2. Steemer. Danny could have kept him if he offered the MLE. Nothing less. Is Steemer worth the MLE and no Terry? In retrospect, maybe. But that's hindsight and only bc Terry hasn't panned out. Nothing to do with Steemer.
3. "A big". Is Danny supposed to trade for a big "no matter what" just bc we need a big? No. It depends on the cost of obtaining the big. Still not satisfied? Then wait a week. I guarantee there'll be a bench warming big on the bench.
4. Trading PP and KG. I'm with you that it's better to trade them than ride out the nostalgia... to a point. There are still opptys to trade- think draft night- and the pickings might be richer (J Smith was really only big name on the block; could be more/bigger names in late June).

OK, now we are having a discussion. My issues are with Danny's choices this year. As I pointed out, I think Allen was angered by the way his trade to Memphis nearly went down. That in my mind helped him decide to bolt. Regarding Terry and Steemer, fine point. I just worried from the beginning that paying Terry that much when he really was looking slow towards the end of the year made me very nervous.

Look, I love the Celtics. I have loved them since the early 80's living in Greece for crying out loud. I have never touched drugs because it scared me to death when Len Bias died. Stayed a fan while Gaston tried to rob the team blind with the Vin Baker trade. I just think you can give your team heat and still love them all the same. Am I wrong?

I agree. It is healthy to criticize. We don't have to have blind love or loyalty. But I don't think you can judge a gm based off of one year, it needs to be off the complete body of work. Even I've focus on one year alone, I don't think Ainge has done as badly as you think.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 22, 2013, 09:13:45 AM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

Yeah I'm with you here. Danny had a very active offseason and made some great moves. Green at 9 mil may have seemed like a bit much at the beginning of the season but he's averaging 15 points of the bench in the last 13 games and is really coming around to the player he was on the thunder. When Pierce retires I think he'll be a steal at 9 mil a season.

Lee and terry are both worth their deals. Sully was a great pick having him fall to 21. What other center or player at Melos spot in the draft could we have picked that would have given a more immediate impact?

Danny is one of the best GMs in the game. This thread is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BballTim on February 22, 2013, 09:15:08 AM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

How so? Or are you just a a typical Kool-Aid drinker? Make one counter point. One. Of course I am sure it will be nonsense so I will not waste my time. So do not bother.

The issue is that you are pretty off base on many of the points you list above.
Just to highlight a few:
1. Ray Allen. Danny tried to resign him, offered more than the Heat (much more according to some). Ray just didn't want to come back. Should he have anticipated this? Yes, and.... he did, which is why he tried to trade him last year.
2. Steemer. Danny could have kept him if he offered the MLE. Nothing less. Is Steemer worth the MLE and no Terry? In retrospect, maybe. But that's hindsight and only bc Terry hasn't panned out. Nothing to do with Steemer.
3. "A big". Is Danny supposed to trade for a big "no matter what" just bc we need a big? No. It depends on the cost of obtaining the big. Still not satisfied? Then wait a week. I guarantee there'll be a bench warming big on the bench.
4. Trading PP and KG. I'm with you that it's better to trade them than ride out the nostalgia... to a point. There are still opptys to trade- think draft night- and the pickings might be richer (J Smith was really only big name on the block; could be more/bigger names in late June).

OK, now we are having a discussion. My issues are with Danny's choices this year. As I pointed out, I think Allen was angered by the way his trade to Memphis nearly went down. That in my mind helped him decide to bolt.

  Did you listen to Doc talking about Ray after he left? *Everything* angered Ray.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Fafnir on February 22, 2013, 09:17:18 AM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

Yeah I'm with you here. Danny had a very active offseason and made some great moves. Green at 9 mil may have seemed like a bit much at the beginning of the season but he's averaging 15 points of the bench in the last 13 games and is really coming around to the player he was on the thunder. When Pierce retires I think he'll be a steal at 9 mil a season.

Lee and terry are both worth their deals. Sully was a great pick having him fall to 21. What other center or player at Melos spot in the draft could we have picked that would have given a more immediate impact?

Danny is one of the best GMs in the game. This thread is ridiculous.
Festus Ezeli

He's been solid defensively in a low minute backup C role. I don't blame Ainge for not picking him, not really. They were planning on having Sullinger play minutes this year, the other big man they took made sense to go for whomever they though had the most potential.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Roy H. on February 22, 2013, 09:20:05 AM
This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one. Let's recap in no real order:

Let Ray Allen not only leave for nothing in return, but go to the team that will most likely win the title this year. a team in our own conference. This because Danny told Ray was gone before getting the deal locked down, thus angering Ray, particularly when the deal fell apart and they had to walk the whole thing back. Imagine your boss says: "You're fired, you're fired for a guy who may or may not be better than you. Oh wait, the guy does not want to work here. Nevermind, get back to work."

Are you criticizing Danny for trying to trade Ray Allen, or because the trade fell apart? 

Danny made a good faith effort to re-sign Ray this off-season.  The damage had already been done by that point, but my guess is that a lot of Danny Ainge critics are upset that he didn't blow the team up.  The Ray Allen trade talks were the first step in doing that.

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Signed Darko who clearly wanted no part of Doc and Doc wanted no part of him.

He signed him to a minimum contract, after signing other competent big man options (KG, Bass, Wilcox, Collins.

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Drafted one player with a back problem. A back problem. Find one, One athlete with back issues that ever really recovers.

Who did you prefer over Sully?  He appears to have the ability to be a legitimate rotation player.

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Drafts another player that will not contribute for at least another two years if ever. The team already makes fun of what a ding bat this guy is. Publicly. Makes me really confident.

I don't like the Melo pick.  At the same time, Danny needs to think about the future, and if he thinks Melo can become a rotation-caliber center, that's worth taking a chance on.

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Signed Jason Terry who either does not fit in or who aged twenty years in the off season. If Terry could do his job, score, we would not have needed to trade for Jordan Crawford after Barbosa, who also would not have played if Terry could score anymore, went down. Think about it.

Terry has looked okay recently, and his play has nothing to do with the need for another guard.

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Let Greg Stiemsma go when we really could have used him and kept him had we cared. He has been better than Darko and Collins while playing for the Wolves.

We couldn't afford Stiemer unless we were giving him a big chunk of our MLE.

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Traded too much and then paid too much for Courtney Lee. Now in fairness Lee has finally started to show a pulse but we gave up too much for him. E'Twaun Moore has been just as good for millions less and we lost the Charlotte Bobcats first pick in the second round of this upcoming draft, which right now would be the 31st pick. Now this upcoming draft does not have any real stars but by all accounts it is deep. I would much rather have had Moore and that pick than Lee overpaid at 5 million per year for another four years.

The 31st pick in the draft is a pretty small price to play for a good rotation player.  Lee is much, much better than Moore.

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Signed Jeff Green for nine million dollars a year for four years. I do not need to even go into this. everybody on this board and everybody in the NBA knows two things about that deal. One, the Celtics were bidding against nobody. Two, that Green was the most obscenely overpaid player in the off season. Think I am exaggerating? Garnett makes an average of 11.5 million per season over the term of his deal. Green makes nine. With an extra year. Nuff said.

I didn't like the contract, either.  However, we have no idea what the market was.  Because of the new CBA, we couldn't sign-and-trade Green, so the options were to pay him, or let him go for nothing.

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Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

What trade for a big man would you have made?

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Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.

Danny attempted to rebuild; KG said he would veto, and Pierce had very little trade value.  Danny also attempted to reload, and again, didn't have the assets. 
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Redz on February 22, 2013, 09:38:06 AM
The main reason Danny stays employed (and ultimately most important) is that the ownership love and trust Danny.  All other opinions are moot.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: CelticG1 on February 22, 2013, 09:38:39 AM
Shooter, yes, scorer I dunno.  PP has passed him up.

Passing and rebounding wise Bird has clear edge.

Danny will be fine, I don't see him leaving.

  PP put up a lot of points on bad teams. He'd have scored fewer points with better teammates (like Bird had).

Not arguing against Bird but did Pierce really put up a ton of points on bad teams? Seems like he put up a lot on some decent teams before the big 3.

Hes scored over 2000 in 4 seasons. 2 of those didnt make the playoffs 1 made ecf and 1 ecsf.

When the big 3 came he was 30, arguably on the decline and averaged, 19, 20, 18, 19, 19, 18 over the past six years. Im thinking in his prime he would have scored more considering he at least would have been playing 5 more min a game as well.

Also dont forget teams scored more back then. For example the 86 Celtics averaged 104.7 ppg while in comparison the 08 Celts averaged 90.3 ppg.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: eugen on February 22, 2013, 09:39:11 AM
I have a simple question: Is DA doing a good job?
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Roy H. on February 22, 2013, 09:40:29 AM
I have a simple question: Is DA doing a good job?

I'd say yes, for the most part.  Sometimes a solid game plan doesn't work out.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Fafnir on February 22, 2013, 09:43:00 AM
I have a simple question: Is DA doing a good job?

I'd say yes, for the most part.  Sometimes a solid game plan doesn't work out.
ACLs don't care about your plans, no matter how well laid.

The Bulls fate showed us that last year afterall. Pretty similar if later occurance then what happened to the C's. Lost their PG and then a key big man. (two actually I think Gibson was hobbled too though he played)
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 22, 2013, 09:43:55 AM
So I read the first line of your post, and skipped the rest. Don't want to waste my time with a lot of nonsense.

Yeah I'm with you here. Danny had a very active offseason and made some great moves. Green at 9 mil may have seemed like a bit much at the beginning of the season but he's averaging 15 points of the bench in the last 13 games and is really coming around to the player he was on the thunder. When Pierce retires I think he'll be a steal at 9 mil a season.

Lee and terry are both worth their deals. Sully was a great pick having him fall to 21. What other center or player at Melos spot in the draft could we have picked that would have given a more immediate impact?

Danny is one of the best GMs in the game. This thread is ridiculous.

TP completely agree
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: kgfor3 on February 22, 2013, 09:49:02 AM
This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one. Let's recap in no real order:

Let Ray Allen not only leave for nothing in return, but go to the team that will most likely win the title this year. a team in our own conference. This because Danny told Ray was gone before getting the deal locked down, thus angering Ray, particularly when the deal fell apart and they had to walk the whole thing back. Imagine your boss says: "You're fired, you're fired for a guy who may or may not be better than you. Oh wait, the guy does not want to work here. Nevermind, get back to work."

Signed Darko who clearly wanted no part of Doc and Doc wanted no part of him.

Drafted one player with a back problem. A back problem. Find one, One athlete with back issues that ever really recovers.

Drafts another player that will not contribute for at least another two years if ever. The team already makes fun of what a ding bat this guy is. Publicly. Makes me really confident.

Signed Jason Terry who either does not fit in or who aged twenty years in the off season. If Terry could do his job, score, we would not have needed to trade for Jordan Crawford after Barbosa, who also would not have played if Terry could score anymore, went down. Think about it.

Let Greg Stiemsma go when we really could have used him and kept him had we cared. He has been better than Darko and Collins while playing for the Wolves.

Traded too much and then paid too much for Courtney Lee. Now in fairness Lee has finally started to show a pulse but we gave up too much for him. E'Twaun Moore has been just as good for millions less and we lost the Charlotte Bobcats first pick in the second round of this upcoming draft, which right now would be the 31st pick. Now this upcoming draft does not have any real stars but by all accounts it is deep. I would much rather have had Moore and that pick than Lee overpaid at 5 million per year for another four years.

Signed Jeff Green for nine million dollars a year for four years. I do not need to even go into this. everybody on this board and everybody in the NBA knows two things about that deal. One, the Celtics were bidding against nobody. Two, that Green was the most obscenely overpaid player in the off season. Think I am exaggerating? Garnett makes an average of 11.5 million per season over the term of his deal. Green makes nine. With an extra year. Nuff said.

Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.

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Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BballTim on February 22, 2013, 09:51:08 AM
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Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

What trade for a big man would you have made?

  Yeah, it's not like there were any bigs moving around that we missed on. I could see complaining if Smith or Gortat were traded and we didn't go after them, that wasn't the case.

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Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.

Danny attempted to rebuild; KG said he would veto, and Pierce had very little trade value.  Danny also attempted to reload, and again, didn't have the assets.

  Put a healthy Rondo and Sully on the team and the team would still be contenders. Next year they'll have a glut of guards and probably trade one of them (on a one year shorter contract than they're on now) in a package for another backup big.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Fred Roberts on February 22, 2013, 10:00:10 AM
Other than missing on Gasol the year we took Gabe Pruitt (hated that pick from second 1), I think Danny has done a pretty great job as GM.

We love to pick nits with Danny, but gimme a break, the prior 15 years of management were utterly atrocious. Get over it. Danny has created a great environment that players love. Doc is not perfect either, but guys love to play for him and he's able to get guys to buy in.

Sully's back will be okay, and Fabulous Melo will be serviceable within 3 years. Neither will be a superstar, but neither will anyone else drafted behind them. Other GMs whiff all the time in the lottery, and Ainge usually hits with his late 1st and early 2nd round picks.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: thirstyboots18 on February 22, 2013, 10:11:48 AM
You thought wrong.  I am very happy.  Maybe Doc can get this again injured team to outperform and amaze us in the playoffs...(actually, I am counting on it!  :-* )  Next year, like Roy said, important pieces will be back.  The rebuilding (which, IMO, has already started with Rondo, Sully, Green and Bradley) will continue.

If someone has developed a sure fire way to reboot anything in life, please publish it so the rest of us can find immediate gratification and power as well, and so that our teams will have a clear path, unhampered by fate, to every championship.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: RJ87 on February 22, 2013, 10:13:32 AM
The reason Danny stays employed after the season is because ownership isn't a bunch of panicky idiots.

This.

Danny made pretty strong moves considering limited resources.

I agree we needed a big this deadline,  but just because we want one doesn't mean a team was willing to trade with us. Sometimes I wonder if people really understand how it hard it is to actually complete a trade or signing.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 22, 2013, 10:15:25 AM
The reason Danny stays employed after the season is because ownership isn't a bunch of panicky idiots.

This.

Danny made pretty strong moves considering limited resources.

I agree we needed a big this deadline,  but just because we want one doesn't mean a team was willing to trade with us. Sometimes I wonder if people really understand how it hard it is to actually complete a trade or signing.

Exactly. One question I want to ask all the Ainge haters is what was Danny suppose to do? Just because we want Gortat for example doesn't mean Pheonix wants to trade him.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: thirstyboots18 on February 22, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BostonNative on February 22, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
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Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

What trade for a big man would you have made?

  Yeah, it's not like there were any bigs moving around that we missed on. I could see complaining if Smith or Gortat were traded and we didn't go after them, that wasn't the case.

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Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.

Danny attempted to rebuild; KG said he would veto, and Pierce had very little trade value.  Danny also attempted to reload, and again, didn't have the assets.

  Put a healthy Rondo and Sully on the team and the team would still be contenders. Next year they'll have a glut of guards and probably trade one of them (on a one year shorter contract than they're on now) in a package for another backup big.

did i miss something? Swore we was stinking it up even with rondo. Wait nvm we was stinking it up a tad worse when we had rondo.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: More Banners on February 22, 2013, 10:24:58 AM
Wow.

Danny, not perfect, but gosh.  It's not like he's Michael Jordan or anything.  MJ had to buy a team so he could be involved in the front office.

Danny only put together a team last offseason that looks like it might manage to still compete in the playoffs without its allstar and missing two rotation players.  Most teams would be headed straight for the lottery.  We're not.

Okay...he traded Jason Collins, and we're now short one big.  Who is really thinking that the loss of JC impacts our title hopes?
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BballTim on February 22, 2013, 10:42:04 AM
did i miss something? Swore we was stinking it up even with rondo. Wait nvm we was stinking it up a tad worse when we had rondo.

  I'd guess you missed much of the last 3 years when the Celts were up and down during the season and made some noise in the playoffs. This year you might not have noticed that some of the players weren't healthy, we didn't have set rotations and players weren't getting consistent minutes or having consistent roles. Every year people emphatically claim that they saw enough during the season to know that the team won't do well in the playoffs, most years they're wrong.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: winsomme on February 22, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
I just want to look at the Jordan/Bledsoe rumored deal. I guess we don't know if Danny wanted that to happen or not, but we have heard that he never actually approached KG about waiving his no-trade to make it happen. so I'm going to argue that ultimately he didn't want that deal. and honestly that might the be one of the best decisions he made as GM.

Does anybody watch the Clippers play? Jordan can't even stay on the floor for a team who has no other C who gets consistent playing time. and ask yourself this in regard to his ability to improve. Is he ever even going to be close to player that KG is now at the age of 36? I mean he has some room to improve but he is not a skilled player. He can't shoot and isn't even a solid rebounder. He's very athletic, but where was that really going to take him? Was he really going to lead this team to being a contender?

As for Bledsoe, how much better is he than Crawford who Danny essentially got for nothing? Is he enough better to trade away the emotional core of this team?

I saw one post that was longing for PP and KG trades that could have left us with a future lineup of:

Rondo/Bledsoe
Bradley/Lee
Green/Bass
JSmoove/Sully
Jordan/Melo/?

Really?? This is the team we wanted Danny to assemble? How is that team better than those Hawks teams that have been kicking around the last 6-7 years living in mediocrity?

Would that team even give this current Cs team a series?

I think a lot of fans get sucked into the "on paper" syndrome and really don't take into account intangibles. I mean, who is your shot-maker on that team? That's just not a good team. Look at the loaded Washington team right now. Lots of nice young talent, but no mental toughness to actually be a winner night in and night out...

Assembling a team like that is not what I personally want out of a GM, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: eugen on February 22, 2013, 01:12:04 PM
remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

Sorry but I do not see a real focused  plan. This since 2008. He almost sign old broken players(JO,Rasheed, Shaq etc, )sent out 2 players of starting lineup(RAY+Perk) and did not get real replacment for them. I see no plans. For example, if he is gona rebuild the team, he can not offer PP 16 millions/year at age of 35, and can not sign KG 3 years contract for 34 mill/year at the age of 36, beacuse the budged can not let you to improve the roster. I see a very dark budged future unless he trade KG or PP or Rondo.

The mos important issue is he did not plan the future. Is gonna be around a new big 3 legacy? Around whom? Some players sign in October and traded in March(Barbosa). Considering Rondo important future, but in the other side, talking to the LAL GM to trade him... ???
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Boris Badenov on February 22, 2013, 01:15:37 PM
remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

Sorry but I do not see a real focused  plan.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean there isn't one.

I remember freaking out when we traded the #5 pick for Ray Allen, because I thought we were mortgaging our future for a couple years of mediocrity.

I'm pretty sure, looking back, that Danny had a plan.

(I was also upset because I thought Jeff Green was going to be the next Scottie Pippen, which made me 0-for-2.)
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: BballTim on February 22, 2013, 01:16:02 PM
remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

Sorry but I do not see a real focused  plan. This since 2008. He almost sign old broken players(JO,Rasheed, Shaq etc, )sent out 2 players of starting lineup(RAY+Perk) and did not get real replacment for them. I see no plans. For example, if he is gona rebuild the team, he can not offer PP 16 millions/year at age of 35, and can not sign KG 3 years contract for 34 mill/year at the age of 36, beacuse the budged can not let you to improve the roster. I see a very dark budged future unless he trade KG or PP or Rondo.

The mos important issue is he did not plan the future. Is gonna be around a new big 3 legacy? Around whom? Some players sign in October and traded in March(Barbosa). Considering Rondo important future, but in the other side, talking to the LAL GM to trade him... ???

  Nobody thought Danny had any idea what he was doing when he lost out in the Oden/Durant lottery. Two months later we had a title team. Your not seeing a plan doesn't mean that Danny doesn't have one.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Geo123 on February 22, 2013, 01:16:15 PM
remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

Sorry but I do not see a real focused  plan. This since 2008. He almost sign old broken players(JO,Rasheed, Shaq etc, )sent out 2 players of starting lineup(RAY+Perk) and did not get real replacment for them. I see no plans. For example, if he is gona rebuild the team, he can not offer PP 16 millions/year at age of 35, and can not sign KG 3 years contract for 34 mill/year at the age of 36, beacuse the budged can not let you to improve the roster. I see a very dark budged future unless he trade KG or PP or Rondo.

The mos important issue is he did not plan the future. Is gonna be around a new big 3 legacy? Around whom? Some players sign in October and traded in March(Barbosa). Considering Rondo important future, but in the other side, talking to the LAL GM to trade him... ???

He didn't send out Ray.  Ray chose not to resign even after being offered a better deal.  We get it form your posts, you don't like DA.... 

He has planned for the future.  Rondo, Sullinger, Green, Lee and upcoming cap space.  Pierce is only committed to 5 million next year and most people believe KG will retire either tis year or next....
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 22, 2013, 01:16:53 PM
This last year he has made zero decent moves. Not one. Let's recap in no real order:

Let Ray Allen not only leave for nothing in return, but go to the team that will most likely win the title this year. a team in our own conference. This because Danny told Ray was gone before getting the deal locked down, thus angering Ray, particularly when the deal fell apart and they had to walk the whole thing back. Imagine your boss says: "You're fired, you're fired for a guy who may or may not be better than you. Oh wait, the guy does not want to work here. Nevermind, get back to work."

Signed Darko who clearly wanted no part of Doc and Doc wanted no part of him.

Drafted one player with a back problem. A back problem. Find one, One athlete with back issues that ever really recovers.

Drafts another player that will not contribute for at least another two years if ever. The team already makes fun of what a ding bat this guy is. Publicly. Makes me really confident.

Signed Jason Terry who either does not fit in or who aged twenty years in the off season. If Terry could do his job, score, we would not have needed to trade for Jordan Crawford after Barbosa, who also would not have played if Terry could score anymore, went down. Think about it.

Let Greg Stiemsma go when we really could have used him and kept him had we cared. He has been better than Darko and Collins while playing for the Wolves.

Traded too much and then paid too much for Courtney Lee. Now in fairness Lee has finally started to show a pulse but we gave up too much for him. E'Twaun Moore has been just as good for millions less and we lost the Charlotte Bobcats first pick in the second round of this upcoming draft, which right now would be the 31st pick. Now this upcoming draft does not have any real stars but by all accounts it is deep. I would much rather have had Moore and that pick than Lee overpaid at 5 million per year for another four years.

Signed Jeff Green for nine million dollars a year for four years. I do not need to even go into this. everybody on this board and everybody in the NBA knows two things about that deal. One, the Celtics were bidding against nobody. Two, that Green was the most obscenely overpaid player in the off season. Think I am exaggerating? Garnett makes an average of 11.5 million per season over the term of his deal. Green makes nine. With an extra year. Nuff said.

Went through the trade deadline when we desperately needed big men and came away with Jordan Crawford. Now on the face of it, I like getting Crawford for nothing. He can flat out score and is dirt cheap. However, we have one center, KG and two power forwards, Bass and Wilcox. You know how many points we gave up in the paint against the Lakers the other night? Fifty four. Think that is going stop? Not real likely. So now we will use cast-offs to keep Wilcox and KG from burning out down the stretch. Great plan.

Danny's failings this year have effectively doomed us to be mediocre this year and next. Staying around .500, not getting a decent draft pick, never getting much better because we are capped out until 2015. Plus who has faith we can get a top flight free agent to sign here? Not one ever has. Now this year not being in the lottery is not a big deal. There are no real team changing players and picking at 18 or 19 which where we will most likely end up may not be much different than picking at 9 or 10. 2014's draft however is another case altogether. That draft is loaded. People think as good as 2003's draft. Being in the top 5 picks could change the franchise. Instead, Pierce and KG will be here for at least part of the year, keeping this team around .500 and out of the lottery. Keeping us in middle-of-the-road purgatory.

Being a team that stays in the middle, year after year, dooms a franchise. Nine times out of ten, you have crater to get back up. The only teams this is not the case for is Miami and L.A..They are attractive destinations for players so their ability to get free agents allows them to as the saying goes "reload" rather than "rebuild". This team won the '08 title by being bad, compiling draft picks, making good choices with those picks and then trading those picks for established stars. Danny has had a decent record drafting. This year he blew it. I must admit I still have faith he can draft well again. Too bad he will not have that 31st pick as well as our first rounder to prove it.

Now I get that for the sake of tradition and respect, letting KG and Pierce ride off together is a nice thought and may help the Celtics getting players down the line. They might look at that and say "that franchise is good to their guys, that means something to me." I hope they think that, but I doubt they will. They will look at the weather, the taxes and the lack of off-the-court fun to be had in New England and say "Miami, Dallas, L.A., OK. No way will I go to Boston." Sure Doc may help of course but I still think we are behind Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles and NYC for free agents no matter how honorable we end up being to KG and Paul.

So barring a miracle, it will have been five years since we last won a title, three since we have been to the finals at the end of this season. Yes. That long. Happy we held on to KG and Pierce now? Happy we have Lee, Terry and Green on the books for combined twenty million for the next three years? Nope, did not think so. Hope you like average, Boston fans. You are going to see a whole lot of it until 2016.

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Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: LooseCannon on February 22, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
remember 06/07?  Danny has done more with less in the past, so just because we can't see the light doesn't mean that he has no plan.

Sorry but I do not see a real focused  plan.

I think he had a pretty clear, focused plan of not paying non-stars big money beyond 2012.  Once he got to 2012, he had a choice of continuing the KG era for a couple of years or blowing up the team completely.  Right now, the team has a clear focus of remaining KG-centric through next season, unless Ainge can acquire an All-Star caliber player or a high lottery pick.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: eugen on February 22, 2013, 01:28:34 PM

He didn't send out Ray.  Ray chose not to resign even after being offered a better deal.  We get it form your posts, you don't like DA.... 


Do you like or not like DA...? This is the question? No man. You wrong…I dot like the way he is managing the team. In particullar budged managment, that is maybe the most important part of GM of any team.
Title: Re: Explain how Danny stays employed after this season?
Post by: thirstyboots18 on February 22, 2013, 01:47:07 PM

He didn't send out Ray.  Ray chose not to resign even after being offered a better deal.  We get it form your posts, you don't like DA.... 


Do you like or not like DA...? This is the question? No man. You wrong…I dot like the way he is managing the team. In particullar budged managment, that is maybe the most important part of GM of any team.
Ahhh, I see.  You are looking at it from the Ownership point of view. I haven't heard any public complaints from the rest of the ownership.  If Danny is fired, I guess I will have to reappraise my point of view.