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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: LarBrd33 on February 21, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
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Let's talk about it. Last year was probably our last shot at moving Pierce for anything of considerable value (to Brooklyn for a lotto pick that ended up being Damian Lillard... could have also used it on Andre Drummond)
Depending on who you ask, Pierce either killed the deal or the Nets rejected it. We do know that they ended up trading for Gerald Wallace instead. As far as I'm concerned, that was our last chance of getting an "impact asset" for Pierce ... and if Pierce killed it, it was never a real option in the first place.
KG was never a realistic trade option, because he was being paid too much. This year, we signed him to 10 mil a year with a no-trade clause. Before you lament the fact we gave him a no-trade clause, keep in mind the very distinct possibility KG could have just retired prior to the start of the season. The no-trade clause was a sign of good faith. He wasn't taking a 50% pay-cut and busting his ass for this organization just so we could use him as a trade asset midway through the season.
Sounds like there wasn't a huge market this season for Paul Pierce. Sure, teams would like to have him... but it sounds like they most you could have gotten was KRis Humphries and and a late pick. Even so, I'm not sure if Pierce would have agreed to report anyways... not when he's already got a foot in retirement. He didn't have a no-trade clause, but the threat of retirement is a considerable deterrent... and we know Pierce was killing potential Celtic deals as far back as 2005 when he refused to play in Portland (a deal that would have net us an insta-expiring contract and the #3 pick that would have been used to take Chris Paul). That said, even IF Pierce would have agreed to play in Brooklyn... I wasn't all that anxious to add Kris Kardashian. Makes more sense to just ride Pierce and then set the team up for cap space when he eventually leaves. What's your worst-case scenario with cap space? Kris Kardashian?
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So here we are. The window for "getting assets" for our 36 and 37 year old franchise players is officially closed. We're stuck with them. I, for one, am glad. Nothing we could have gotten for them would have outperformed them. None of the assets we could have gotten for them would have been drastically more valuable than the inevitable cap space and lottery tanking.
It's official. KG and PIerce are retiring as Boston Celtics. Could happen as soon as this offseason. Maybe 16 months from now. But it's happening. How do you feel about it?
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can they retire this year? ;D
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I will feel GREAT about it if it happens but there is still plenty of time for them not to.
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I'm happy they're green forever
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I'm happy with it.
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I think it's not very fun to watch your team get worse every year and now we will watch that for the next 5-6 years.
I really feel this was the last opportunity to start to rebuild this team with assets that could make it a LOT easier. Now we have to hope Rondo and Green get better and Sully comes back 100% and improves.
I don't see this as a good thing, sorry.
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can they retire this year? ;D
If we limp into the playoffs or miss it entirely, I don't see why not. I really believe there is a 50/50 chance they both call it quits in a couple months.
Unfortunately we're saddled with some larger contracts (Green, Bass, Terry, Lee) along with Rondo... so there is no shot at having cap space to replace them with this offseason.
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Happy with no assets for them and 1st round exits..good times. They'll retire with nothing to show for them and no decent free agents that want to come to Boston. Sounds like a recipe for success. :P
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I think it's great the Pierce and KG will end their careers in Boston. Yeah, it's probably going to make the rebuilding process a bit more difficult...but that's always a crap shoot. Ainge getting somebody like Crawford for injured Barbosa and Collins makes me feel pretty good that he'll be able to accumulate enough assets to get this team back on top.
Mike
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As they should. Especially Pierce.
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I don't put as much into pierce and kg retiring celtics as other people. Honestly, I couldn't care less. I want them to stay as long as they're productive, not a second longer.
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I think it's not very fun to watch your team get worse every year and now we will watch that for the next 5-6 years.
I really feel this was the last opportunity to start to rebuild this team with assets that could make it a LOT easier. Now we have to hope Rondo and Green get better and Sully comes back 100% and improves.
I don't see this as a good thing, sorry.
All of that was inevitable, though. Rare does a team rebuild on the fly successfully. We always knew we were going to bottom out.
Last year I was shocked we didn't move Ray... and later found out we DID move ray, but the deal fell apart. It is what it is, though. These guys are gone in 3-15 months and then we'll either toil away as a 35-45 win team lead by Rondo and Green... or we'll dump those guys for draft picks and try to bottom out..
At this point, I'm thinking we try our best to be competitive this year. I figure KG and Pierce retire. And on draft day we start shopping Rondo and everyone for draft picks, cap space and young undeveloped assets. Revisit a trade with the Kings or something. But "blowing up" the roster will just happen naturally with our legends retiring in Green.
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Hope one of them retires this year so we can sign Smith.
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No different than I did yesterday when I was convinced both would retire as Celtics.
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How do I feel?
Like Tony The Tiger on his best day, lol.
GRRREEEAAT!
As two players that, IMO, exemplify what it means to wear Celtics Green, I'm happy for them.
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I bet I feel a whole lot better about it when it's their last game. Right now I'm pretty let down we couldn't make a move
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I think it's not very fun to watch your team get worse every year and now we will watch that for the next 5-6 years.
I really feel this was the last opportunity to start to rebuild this team with assets that could make it a LOT easier. Now we have to hope Rondo and Green get better and Sully comes back 100% and improves.
I don't see this as a good thing, sorry.
All of that was inevitable, though. Rare does a team rebuild on the fly successfully. We always knew we were going to bottom out.
Last year I was shocked we didn't move Ray... and later found out we DID move ray, but the deal fell apart. It is what it is, though. These guys are gone in 3-15 months and then we'll either toil away as a 35-45 win team lead by Rondo and Green... or we'll dump those guys for draft picks and try to bottom out..
At this point, I'm thinking we try our best to be competitive this year. I figure KG and Pierce retire. And on draft day we start shopping Rondo and everyone for draft picks, cap space and young undeveloped assets. Revisit a trade with the Kings or something. But "blowing up" the roster will just happen naturally with our legends retiring in Green.
because, that plan "get horrible and tank" has worked out sooo well for Charlotte/the raptors and several other teams...even the Celtics who failed to ever get the #1 pick
Ainge isnt going that route...I think he will try and lure someone like Josh Smith, or build enough young assets to try and get a #2(or #1 guy) for Rondo.
I think if you have a Bonafid talent like rondo you try to get pieces to compete WITH him
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Let's talk about it. Last year was probably our last shot at moving Pierce for anything of considerable value (to Brooklyn for a lotto pick that ended up being Damian Lillard... could have also used it on Andre Drummond)
I'm not convinced this is true. If I wanted to trade Pierce, I'd be looking to move him in the off-season to a non-contending team with a big long-term contract to an older player they want to shed and a likely lottery pick that they can kick in (with the usual protections). To the Wizards for Nene and a protected first-round pick, for example, might be the starting point for discussing a trade.
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I for one am relieved. KG bleeds green. He is, to put it simply, "the man"
Pierce deserves to retire a Celtic and see his number hung from the rafters.
I am disappointed that Danny failed to put pieces around them to ensure they go out on top.
Since the kg trade we have needed to acquire and develop a young big who could develop behind kg. Danny whiffed on patty obrian, whiffed when he didn't draft deandre jordan and also passed on hibbard. He brought in old stiffs to help win now, none (besides pj) worked out.
I don't fault him for trading perk, green is a good piece.
I do fault him for gambling on high risk projects, mostly wasting his picks on guys like giddens, walker, gabe pruitt though sully and Bradley were good picks.
its interesting to me that he did so well with Jefferson@15, and rondo perk, allen and d west in the 20's both davis and powe were drafted in the second. all these good picks were made before kg.
so now kg and pierce ride into the sunset with little chance of another title.
That's on Danny.
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I think this trade deadline was a no-win situation for the short-term. I think DA did the right thing if the return for KG/PP wasn't there. However, I can't help feeling a little disappointed that we didn't get a jump start on the rebuild.
But if DA had traded one or both, I'd have been a little bummed too.
The only hope now is that Rondo and Sully come back strong and PP/KG keep it going for another year. WIth JG development (still a question mark, IMO), and possibly Bradley taking another step, I suppose we may have a run left.
KG/PP retiring as Celtics isn't as important to me as positioning for a championship.
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Hope one of them retires this year so we can sign Smith.
Joy, so we can get killed in the playoffs like the Hawks. Smith stinks.
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Unless they retire this off-season I wouldn't count on this being set in stone.
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I love both of these players, but I think if the LAC trade and ATL trade were really on the table, then I think it was a complete failure.
Nobody thinks of Joe Montana and thinks of his time with the Chiefs. Nobody thinks of Jerry Rice and what he did for the Raiders. Nobody thinks of Robert Parish and all of his contributions to Charlotte.
If we truly had a chance to rebuild this team with several young assets, then this was a complete and total mistake to keep this borderline playoff team together for sentimental reasons.
And for everybody who thinks we will have all of this cap space if KG and Pierce retires, read up on Roy's explanation from last week. We essentially are screwed if we can't maintain our salary way above the cap as it is now.
Get ready, folks. We are about to take a long ride to irrelevant-ville for the next several years.
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I am glad they will both retire here. Both are in my top 5 Celts of all time. I hope they both decide to hang it up at the end of this year so the rebuilding can begin immediately and in earnest,
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We will see. Pierce's contract becomes real valuable this off season for a team looking for immediate cap space. Dallas used a similar type contract with Eric dampier to get Tyson Chandler and a title. Remember pierce can be traded and waived immediately saving a team instantly over ten mill.
Hopefully we try to get healthy and make a run at this thing next year. One more time.
No reason for them to retire as they are both playing at a near all star level. Why stop doing something a) you love b) is fun c) youre still pretty elite at and d) pays you MILLIONS of dollars? That's insanity.
Not like we will have cap room either. As of now I'll be shocked if we dont go for it one more time. Hopefully rondo comes back strong ala AD, and buys into playing more off ball. This team could be SA east with rondo buying in to the present style of play.
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I think it's not very fun to watch your team get worse every year and now we will watch that for the next 5-6 years.
I really feel this was the last opportunity to start to rebuild this team with assets that could make it a LOT easier. Now we have to hope Rondo and Green get better and Sully comes back 100% and improves.
I don't see this as a good thing, sorry.
All of that was inevitable, though. Rare does a team rebuild on the fly successfully. We always knew we were going to bottom out.
Last year I was shocked we didn't move Ray... and later found out we DID move ray, but the deal fell apart. It is what it is, though. These guys are gone in 3-15 months and then we'll either toil away as a 35-45 win team lead by Rondo and Green... or we'll dump those guys for draft picks and try to bottom out..
At this point, I'm thinking we try our best to be competitive this year. I figure KG and Pierce retire. And on draft day we start shopping Rondo and everyone for draft picks, cap space and young undeveloped assets. Revisit a trade with the Kings or something. But "blowing up" the roster will just happen naturally with our legends retiring in Green.
because, that plan "get horrible and tank" has worked out sooo well for Charlotte/the raptors and several other teams...even the Celtics who failed to ever get the #1 pick
Ainge isnt going that route...I think he will try and lure someone like Josh Smith, or build enough young assets to try and get a #2(or #1 guy) for Rondo.
I think if you have a Bonafid talent like rondo you try to get pieces to compete WITH him
Let's be honest here. THe last time Boston allowed itself to "bottom out" and win 24 games... we won a championship the next year.
The Cavs bottomed out and got LeBron. Then they bottomed out again and got Kyrie Irving. The Hornets bottomed out and now they have Anthony Davis.
Sure you could go the chicago route and blow it every single year with your top 5 pick... but your best chance at instant improvement is to bottom out for a few years.
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Love for them to retire in Celtics Green, but I'm looking into two years from now as the date.
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Nobody thinks of Joe Montana and thinks of his time with the Chiefs. Nobody thinks of Jerry Rice and what he did for the Raiders. Nobody thinks of Robert Parish and all of his contributions to Charlotte.
I do
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I think this trade deadline was a no-win situation for the short-term. I think DA did the right thing if the return for KG/PP wasn't there. However, I can't help feeling a little disappointed that we didn't get a jump start on the rebuild.
But if DA had traded one or both, I'd have been a little bummed too.
The only hope now is that Rondo and Sully come back strong and PP/KG keep it going for another year. WIth JG development (still a question mark, IMO), and possibly Bradley taking another step, I suppose we may have a run left.
KG/PP retiring as Celtics isn't as important to me as positioning for a championship.
Not even close.
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Very happy.
I don't think any of the offers, that we saw, were good.
I love that Pierce will retire here for his legacy.
And KG... I know he hasn't been here as long, but there is no player that I feel more strongly about than him. Have always been a huge fan and he plays basketball exactly how it should be played. He is beyond basically every other player out there.
He is a guy who should retire in green and be buried in it.
I would love if he would choose to become a coach of sorts for us when he's done. He could choose to do other things as well, I think he would be great on TV, but I would love that.
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I think it's not very fun to watch your team get worse every year and now we will watch that for the next 5-6 years.
I really feel this was the last opportunity to start to rebuild this team with assets that could make it a LOT easier. Now we have to hope Rondo and Green get better and Sully comes back 100% and improves.
I don't see this as a good thing, sorry.
All of that was inevitable, though. Rare does a team rebuild on the fly successfully. We always knew we were going to bottom out.
Last year I was shocked we didn't move Ray... and later found out we DID move ray, but the deal fell apart. It is what it is, though. These guys are gone in 3-15 months and then we'll either toil away as a 35-45 win team lead by Rondo and Green... or we'll dump those guys for draft picks and try to bottom out..
At this point, I'm thinking we try our best to be competitive this year. I figure KG and Pierce retire. And on draft day we start shopping Rondo and everyone for draft picks, cap space and young undeveloped assets. Revisit a trade with the Kings or something. But "blowing up" the roster will just happen naturally with our legends retiring in Green.
because, that plan "get horrible and tank" has worked out sooo well for Charlotte/the raptors and several other teams...even the Celtics who failed to ever get the #1 pick
Ainge isnt going that route...I think he will try and lure someone like Josh Smith, or build enough young assets to try and get a #2(or #1 guy) for Rondo.
I think if you have a Bonafid talent like rondo you try to get pieces to compete WITH him
Let's be honest here. THe last time Boston allowed itself to "bottom out" and win 24 games... we won a championship the next year.
The Cavs bottomed out and got LeBron. Then they bottomed out again and got Kyrie Irving. The Hornets bottomed out and now they have Anthony Davis.
Sure you could go the chicago route and blow it every single year with your top 5 pick... but your best chance at instant improvement is to bottom out for a few years.
*rolls eyes*
We bottomed out and failed to get the top 2 pick we were after. We lucked into those deals that brought us the banner.
Cavs got LeBron. And no championships.
Every team that wins the lottery successfully bottoms out. Its the other 5+ teams that don't get the 1 pick that don't.
It's a pathetic attempt to turn around a franchise. I was disappointed we went that route in 2007 and it would have been a total disaster had KG not been on the market and us getting him below market value.
*rolls eyes again at myself for not only reading one of your posts but responding to it*
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Nobody thinks of Joe Montana and thinks of his time with the Chiefs. Nobody thinks of Jerry Rice and what he did for the Raiders. Nobody thinks of Robert Parish and all of his contributions to Charlotte.
I do
No you don't. You know that they all played for other franchises, but you don't think of their contributions to them. My life won't be different if KG plays for the Clippers. I will always know what he did for the Celtics and his wonderful years here. Watching the Celtics sputter out the next year or two and getting absolutely nothing for our best players seems like a total waste. I give Bill Belichick a LOT of credit for not being sentimental in the moment - he is always looking to the future.
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Nobody thinks of Joe Montana and thinks of his time with the Chiefs. Nobody thinks of Jerry Rice and what he did for the Raiders. Nobody thinks of Robert Parish and all of his contributions to Charlotte.
I do
No you don't. You know that they all played for other franchises, but you don't think of their contributions to them. My life won't be different if KG plays for the Clippers. I will always know what he did for the Celtics and his wonderful years here. Watching the Celtics sputter out the next year or two and getting absolutely nothing for our best players seems like a total waste. I give Bill Belichick a LOT of credit for not being sentimental in the moment - he is always looking to the future.
Yes, I do. I have a Chief Charlotte Hornets picture up in my sports room I got at one of the games seeing that I live in Charlotte.
And I still will have nothing to do with the 49ers for getting rid of Montana. I also recall his playing for the Chiefs in the playoffs. Good times.
And I wanted NOTHING to do with the trades some of you guys wanted. I'd rather have our guys then the trash people wanted to give us for them. Trash I tell you.
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If they do both retire as Celtics, I will be very VERY happy.
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If they retire as Celtics, great.
But we are going to relive all this craziness again in the days leading up to the draft. Mark my words!
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Pleased.
I have zero interest in the Pitino-ization of the franchise so many of you were falling all over yourselves about, dumping HOFers for scrubs.
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i was for making the team younger but not at the expense of KG and PP. Just love these guys and honeslty dont know if i'd have the same connection without them there.
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I think it's not very fun to watch your team get worse every year and now we will watch that for the next 5-6 years.
I really feel this was the last opportunity to start to rebuild this team with assets that could make it a LOT easier. Now we have to hope Rondo and Green get better and Sully comes back 100% and improves.
I don't see this as a good thing, sorry.
All of that was inevitable, though. Rare does a team rebuild on the fly successfully. We always knew we were going to bottom out.
Last year I was shocked we didn't move Ray... and later found out we DID move ray, but the deal fell apart. It is what it is, though. These guys are gone in 3-15 months and then we'll either toil away as a 35-45 win team lead by Rondo and Green... or we'll dump those guys for draft picks and try to bottom out..
At this point, I'm thinking we try our best to be competitive this year. I figure KG and Pierce retire. And on draft day we start shopping Rondo and everyone for draft picks, cap space and young undeveloped assets. Revisit a trade with the Kings or something. But "blowing up" the roster will just happen naturally with our legends retiring in Green.
because, that plan "get horrible and tank" has worked out sooo well for Charlotte/the raptors and several other teams...even the Celtics who failed to ever get the #1 pick
Ainge isnt going that route...I think he will try and lure someone like Josh Smith, or build enough young assets to try and get a #2(or #1 guy) for Rondo.
I think if you have a Bonafid talent like rondo you try to get pieces to compete WITH him
Let's be honest here. THe last time Boston allowed itself to "bottom out" and win 24 games... we won a championship the next year.
The Cavs bottomed out and got LeBron. Then they bottomed out again and got Kyrie Irving. The Hornets bottomed out and now they have Anthony Davis.
Sure you could go the chicago route and blow it every single year with your top 5 pick... but your best chance at instant improvement is to bottom out for a few years.
*rolls eyes*
We bottomed out and failed to get the top 2 pick we were after. We lucked into those deals that brought us the banner.
Cavs got LeBron. And no championships.
Every team that wins the lottery successfully bottoms out. Its the other 5+ teams that don't get the 1 pick that don't.
It's a pathetic attempt to turn around a franchise. I was disappointed we went that route in 2007 and it would have been a total disaster had KG not been on the market and us getting him below market value.
*rolls eyes again at myself for not only reading one of your posts but responding to it*
It's better to "bottom out" due to having injuries on a team with some talent instead of stinking because you have no talent, even when healthy. The 2006-2007 Celtics were, well, not great but not ridiculously devoid of talent. The team completely unraveled when Paul Pierce went down.
You work with what you have. You don't try to force your team to fit some archetype of rebuilding just like you shouldn't make personnel decisions based on players fitting positional archetypes of height and skill set without considering their intelligence, work ethic, and actual level of production.
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If they retire as Celtics, great.
But we are going to relive all this craziness again in the days leading up to the draft. Mark my words!
I've already predicted that the off-season will be filled with stories about Chris Paul and Chauncey Billups lobbying KG to waive his no-trade clause.
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I think it's not very fun to watch your team get worse every year and now we will watch that for the next 5-6 years.
I really feel this was the last opportunity to start to rebuild this team with assets that could make it a LOT easier. Now we have to hope Rondo and Green get better and Sully comes back 100% and improves.
I don't see this as a good thing, sorry.
All of that was inevitable, though. Rare does a team rebuild on the fly successfully. We always knew we were going to bottom out.
Last year I was shocked we didn't move Ray... and later found out we DID move ray, but the deal fell apart. It is what it is, though. These guys are gone in 3-15 months and then we'll either toil away as a 35-45 win team lead by Rondo and Green... or we'll dump those guys for draft picks and try to bottom out..
At this point, I'm thinking we try our best to be competitive this year. I figure KG and Pierce retire. And on draft day we start shopping Rondo and everyone for draft picks, cap space and young undeveloped assets. Revisit a trade with the Kings or something. But "blowing up" the roster will just happen naturally with our legends retiring in Green.
because, that plan "get horrible and tank" has worked out sooo well for Charlotte/the raptors and several other teams...even the Celtics who failed to ever get the #1 pick
Ainge isnt going that route...I think he will try and lure someone like Josh Smith, or build enough young assets to try and get a #2(or #1 guy) for Rondo.
I think if you have a Bonafid talent like rondo you try to get pieces to compete WITH him
Let's be honest here. THe last time Boston allowed itself to "bottom out" and win 24 games... we won a championship the next year.
The Cavs bottomed out and got LeBron. Then they bottomed out again and got Kyrie Irving. The Hornets bottomed out and now they have Anthony Davis.
Sure you could go the chicago route and blow it every single year with your top 5 pick... but your best chance at instant improvement is to bottom out for a few years.
*rolls eyes*
We bottomed out and failed to get the top 2 pick we were after. We lucked into those deals that brought us the banner.
Cavs got LeBron. And no championships.
Every team that wins the lottery successfully bottoms out. Its the other 5+ teams that don't get the 1 pick that don't.
It's a pathetic attempt to turn around a franchise. I was disappointed we went that route in 2007 and it would have been a total disaster had KG not been on the market and us getting him below market value.
*rolls eyes again at myself for not only reading one of your posts but responding to it*
Top 5 picks are gold in this league. That's why everyone thinks the Kings deal is insane. Bottoming out is your ticket to a top 5 pick. It's not a guarantee you'll get a title or land a championship asset, but it's your best shot at doing so.
Some people here act like trading KG for blesoe and butler ... trading Pierce for a late 1st and Kris Humphries... neither of which was possible due to the fact neither would agree to the trade... would somehow get us closer to a future title. It's nonsense. Kris Humphries and Eric Bledsoe isn't going to get you closer to a title. Bottoming out and collecting top 5 picks is. Enjoy KG and Pierce while they are here and get ready for the long winter.
Kevin Durant is 24 years. Bron is 28. We got another 5-8 years minimum to rebuild during their primes. Not like getting Eric Bledsoe is going to be the missing asset to getting you a comparable talent to Durant and Bron. In due time we'll be a lotto team. Try to have fun watching this little playoff participant while it lasts.
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I feel happy. A lil happier for the Captain. He's the reason why I became a Celtics fan.
Danny obviously had a very difficult decision to take, and I think he made the right choice! Many people here don't think there's any value in watching Pierce retire a Celtic, but you might understand this value the day he retires, which is gonna come really soon.
I was not opposed to trade him for something of value, but that was obviously not the case. I would be really p***ed off to watch him get traded for scrubs just for the sake of trading.
KG on the other hands just wants it so bad, he wants to retire a Celtic, he loves this team and everything it stands for almost as much as he loves basketball. He's a smart guy and he knows how business work but it would be devastating to watch him go, while he has openly told the media he wants to retire a Celtic as much as anything, multiple times.
Celtics franchise is all about championships, but is also all about pride. Given the circumstances, Danny did the right thing folks. The day #34 and #5 are hanged in the rafters is gonna be so much sweeter now.
P.S.: I don't see Celtics resigning Paul Pierce this summer, but I also don't see Pierce wanting to play for another team. Probably KG follows him, so I think we're definitely watching their very last NBA games. We should cherish the moments guys...
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I'm going to be happy watching PP and KG play in green for the next 1/2 to 2 1/2 seasons. They're such warriors.
I have also been enjoying the development of the young guys. Green has come around. Lee is a solid role player. Rondo is a star. Bradley has been fun to watch, same for Sully before the injury.
The C's are quietly building a roster of nice young players. Not a final product mind you, but a roster of chips to trade or mold around another star player when the time comes.
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I'm ecstatic!!! KG and PP are the heart and soul of this team, they literally help bring Celtics pride back to Boston. I really wanna see these two retire in green.
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dissapointed that ainge didn't show the initiative he claimed he would. this team is now stuck where you don't want to be. in the middle.
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Hope one of them retires this year so we can sign Smith.
Joy, so we can get killed in the playoffs like the Hawks. Smith stinks.
I don't get this thinking. So we should never sign a player that doesn't put us automatically in contention?
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Top 5 picks are gold in this league. That's why everyone thinks the Kings deal is insane. Bottoming out is your ticket to a top 5 pick. It's not a guarantee you'll get a title or land a championship asset, but it's your best shot at doing so.
Some people here act like trading KG for blesoe and butler ... trading Pierce for a late 1st and Kris Humphries... neither of which was possible due to the fact neither would agree to the trade... would somehow get us closer to a future title. It's nonsense. Kris Humphries and Eric Bledsoe isn't going to get you closer to a title. Bottoming out and collecting top 5 picks is. Enjoy KG and Pierce while they are here and get ready for the long winter.
This is why the people who insist that you have to trade Pierce to a contender, if you trade him, are nuts. You should be looking to deal him to a team that will give up a potential lottery pick in return, which often means taking back a crap sandwich of bad contracts in return. Ideally, you get a protected pick that you end up not being able to use until a future year when the protection is not as strong.
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I'm glad that they'll now likely finish their careers in Boston, and that we get to see them in Green the rest of this season.
I do hope, however, that they give absolutely everything they have in this year's playoffs (assuming we make the postseason) and then retire after this season. They're still good players, but they've become a bit less effective and will likely be even less so next season, and wiping their two contracts off the books after this season would give Danny a good chunk of change to work with. Next season, start Rondo (unless he's traded), Bradley, and Green, and also start Sully (unless Danny somehow acquires a legit starting PF). Also play Lee a lot, and we'll also see between now and then how Crawford and Williams fare.
And hope for the best.
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Both of them are great players. So, happy to have them again
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dissapointed that ainge didn't show the initiative he claimed he would. this team is now stuck where you don't want to be. in the middle.
The team is in the middle, but it is not stuck there.
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I feel awesome. I can't wait to watch them battle together again in the playoffs.
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Hope one of them retires this year so we can sign Smith.
Joy, so we can get killed in the playoffs like the Hawks. Smith stinks.
I don't get this thinking. So we should never sign a player that doesn't put us automatically in contention?
Not if the person will cost too much for what you get. I don't like Smith and don't want him on the Celtics. He's Antoine Walker part II.
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I kind of hope they both come back for another season.
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Glad to have them back but Lordy the rebuild is going to suck eggs!
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Top 5 picks are gold in this league. That's why everyone thinks the Kings deal is insane. Bottoming out is your ticket to a top 5 pick. It's not a guarantee you'll get a title or land a championship asset, but it's your best shot at doing so.
Some people here act like trading KG for blesoe and butler ... trading Pierce for a late 1st and Kris Humphries... neither of which was possible due to the fact neither would agree to the trade... would somehow get us closer to a future title. It's nonsense. Kris Humphries and Eric Bledsoe isn't going to get you closer to a title. Bottoming out and collecting top 5 picks is. Enjoy KG and Pierce while they are here and get ready for the long winter.
This is why the people who insist that you have to trade Pierce to a contender, if you trade him, are nuts. You should be looking to deal him to a team that will give up a potential lottery pick in return, which often means taking back a crap sandwich of bad contracts in return. Ideally, you get a protected pick that you end up not being able to use until a future year when the protection is not as strong.
I don't buy the Pierce would have retired argument this year any more than I did last year. He might not have been happy about it, but he wouldn't have retired from the NBA over it.
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Happy with no assets for them and 1st round exits..good times. They'll retire with nothing to show for them and no decent free agents that want to come to Boston. Sounds like a recipe for success. :P
I wouldn't call winning Championship "nothing". ???
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I am not sentimental. It means nothing to me where a player plays/retires. I don't think less of Parish, for instance, because he didn't retire a Celtic. I don't think it tarnished Jordan at all. I don't think Montana not retiring a 49er changes anything.
That's just me. To be honest, I think KG's act is more tiresome on an average team. If I have to sit in the stands with my kids and listen to KG spew 100 f bombs a quarter, I expect more wins. I would have enjoyed to watch him elevate a team like the Clips to championship (if it was impossible here, obviously rather have him winning here). Same with Pierce. But that's just me.
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How do I feel?
Good, [dang] good!
Said from the word go KG and the Truth were going nowhere. This was the best outcome. Disagree if you want. Just makes you wrong.
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I feel good about it for the remainder of this season.
I think we'll be having the exact same conversation around draft time.
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I didn't see any offers out there that were worth trading Pierce or KG. I'm glad to still have them on board.
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I feel good about it for the remainder of this season.
I think we'll be having the exact same conversation around draft time.
Which might not be a bad thing at all.
As far as I am aware, KG can retire and forgo his salary. He seems like the type of guy that would do the franchise a favor, and actually file his official papers.
Pierce can always be amnestied.
We'd still need to move a few other contracts, but could potentially have some decent cap space. Or, we could just stink it up for a year, and push the cap space back a year and see what is on the market the following season. We'd also likely have a lottery pick in the fold in that scenario.
We still have some flexibility.
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I feel good about it for the remainder of this season.
I think we'll be having the exact same conversation around draft time.
And I'll still be saying the team should wait and see how Rondo plays post-injury before deciding.
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dissapointed that ainge didn't show the initiative he claimed he would. this team is now stuck where you don't want to be. in the middle.
Any Pierce or Garnett trade you could realistically do would also make you a middle of the road team. You aren't going to get a great return for either player. You're better off having them retire in green.