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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rondohondo on February 21, 2013, 05:15:47 PM
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Kenyon Martin
Lou Amundson
Darko
Dampier
Troy Murphy
Jermaine O'Neal ( buyout)
Ben Wallace
Greg Oden ( out for the year)
Chris Kaman (buyout)
Elton Brand ( buyout)
Who am I missing ?
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You are missing Hamed "perpetual beast mode" Haddadi
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Knicks have agreed to sign veteran forward Kenyon Martin to a 10-day contract, a source told Yahoo! Sports.
- Marc Spears on Twitter
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Kenyon Martin
Lou Amundson
Darko
Dampier
Troy Murphy
Jermaine O'Neal ( buyout)
Ben Wallace (buyout)
Greg Oden ( out for the year)
Chris Kaman (buyout)
Elton Brand ( buyout)
Who am I missing ?
He's not on a team
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Knicks have agreed to sign veteran forward Kenyon Martin to a 10-day contract, a source told Yahoo! Sports.
- Marc Spears on Twitter
Thats what happens when you wait wayyy to long
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How about Samardo Samuels?
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We have 2 spots left?
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We have 2 spots left?
Yep. We had 2 b4 TWill, 1 with him... now we just did a 2 for 1 trade... 2 spots left.
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D-League options include:
Henry Sims
Brian Butch
Luke Harangody
Mickel Gladness
James Mays
Chris Wright
DaJuan Summers
Jerome Jordan
Some of those guys will be better than a washed-up veteran.
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Kenyon Martin
Lou Amundson
Darko
Dampier
Troy Murphy
Jermaine O'Neal ( buyout)
Ben Wallace
Greg Oden ( out for the year)
Chris Kaman (buyout)
Elton Brand ( buyout)
Who am I missing ?
No Dalembert as a potential buyout candidate? He or Kaman are really the only ones i'd consider signing.
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The Bucks aren't buying out Dalembert while they have legitimate playoff hopes.
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The Bucks aren't buying out Dalembert while they have legitimate playoff hopes.
QFT. If the Bucks had dealt him at the deadline for a major player, it might have happened. Thought it would come to pass, but no.
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From the current crop, Lou Amundson has my interest for one of the spots. Let's infuse our team with speed.
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Scal? Could be worse.
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From the current crop, Lou Amundson has my interest for one of the spots. Let's infuse our team with speed.
Pat Riley seems very interested in signing him.
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Elton Brand is the best player available in that group. Rebounder, shot blocker and very good mid range jumper and can even finish strong on the break. He's got mental and physical toughness too. Take him Danny if he's bought out.
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Thinking long-term, I prefer to find a player who can be signed for a second year that is either a team option or unguaranteed.
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How about Darko? oh wait we had him & never played him. Doubt he would do us a favor now. Sucks because he's a perfect piece to what we need right now.
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How about Darko? oh wait we had him & never played him. Doubt he would do us a favor now. Sucks because he's a perfect piece to what we need right now.
You're right, he really would've come in handy this season (thanks, Doc).
Of the guys listed, I might be okay with ANY of them, simply because we need more bigs, but the only two whom I think could really contribute would be Kaman and Brand.
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Think there may be more to Darko's mysterious disappearance. I think the C's did him a favor so he could be closer to home. Now that his season is winding down would not be surprised to see him back.
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What about Yi Jillian ? I know he has been a train reck but he us a 7 footer 250lbs,and in China avg. 16pts 10 reb. I would try him out in a 10 day contract.
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Elton Brand is the best player available in that group. Rebounder, shot blocker and very good mid range jumper and can even finish strong on the break. He's got mental and physical toughness too. Take him Danny if he's bought out.
Zero chance. He's currently getting 20+ minutes for the Mavericks.
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What about Yi Jillian ? I know he has been a train reck but he us a 7 footer 250lbs,and in China avg. 16pts 10 reb. I would try him out in a 10 day contract.
I think his team made the championship. I thought i read wont be done for 3 weeks
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If you want a guy playing in Europe with a track record in the NBA of being a good rebounder, why not try to figure out when Shelden Williams becomes available?
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if Hakim Warrick becomes available, that's the guy I want
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What about Yi Jillian ? I know he has been a train reck but he us a 7 footer 250lbs,and in China avg. 16pts 10 reb. I would try him out in a 10 day contract.
I think his team made the championship. I thought i read wont be done for 3 weeks
Wasn't T.Williams on the same team
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What about Yi Jillian ? I know he has been a train reck but he us a 7 footer 250lbs,and in China avg. 16pts 10 reb. I would try him out in a 10 day contract.
I think his team made the championship. I thought i read wont be done for 3 weeks
Wasn't T.Williams on the same team
Yi ain't a train wreck. He's just not a good NBA player. He fares well internationally
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Jason terry.. the Celtics are going nowhere fast and looking to feed minutes to their young guards Bradley, Lee and Crawford. Expect to see Terry bought out so he can join a contender.
Kidding...
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What about Yi Jillian ? I know he has been a train reck but he us a 7 footer 250lbs,and in China avg. 16pts 10 reb. I would try him out in a 10 day contract.
I think his team made the championship. I thought i read wont be done for 3 weeks
Wasn't T.Williams on the same team
I think so but t will he left the team on personal reasons
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What about Yi Jillian ? I know he has been a train reck but he us a 7 footer 250lbs,and in China avg. 16pts 10 reb. I would try him out in a 10 day contract.
I think his team made the championship. I thought i read wont be done for 3 weeks
Wasn't T.Williams on the same team
T. Will was released from his contract due to a death in the family back home. The team he left will still be playing for at least 3 weeks.
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Do waste your time. Nobody is coming.
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The Bucks aren't buying out Dalembert while they have legitimate playoff hopes.
QFT. If the Bucks had dealt him at the deadline for a major player, it might have happened. Thought it would come to pass, but no.
Bucks have no intention of dumping Dalembert. He has been playing very well over the past 5 weeks or so. He has played well as a starter when Sanders has been hurt and sick. He has backed Sanders up well during that time too.
He is far too valuable to the Bucks now.
Ainge waited way too long on him. He shoulda bought low a month and a half ago. I hate it when people do what I am doing now. You know, coulda, woulda, shoulda.
But Ainge, man, WTHuck!! You were there at Denver and LA, you saw those games and the way those guys attacked the paint against us, even with KG in. You've seen how we've needed all year rebounders and rim protectors.
Man am I frustrated. Spent 9-4 today waiting...for what?
Sorry for the rant.
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Ainge waited way too long on him. He shoulda bought low a month and a half ago. I hate it when people do what I am doing now. You know, coulda, woulda, shoulda.
Ainge had nothing reasonable to offer. The Celtics need to find an additional big who is better than Wilcox, not swap Bass for an upgrade. The best hope was that the Bucks fade out of the playoff race and can't find a way to dump Dalembert's contract at the deadline, so Milwaukee buys him out. The Bucks are still in it, so that didn't happen.
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Ainge waited way too long on him. He shoulda bought low a month and a half ago. I hate it when people do what I am doing now. You know, coulda, woulda, shoulda.
Ainge had nothing reasonable to offer. The Celtics need to find an additional big who is better than Wilcox, not swap Bass for an upgrade. The best hope was that the Bucks fade out of the playoff race and can't find a way to dump Dalembert's contract at the deadline, so Milwaukee buys him out. The Bucks are still in it, so that didn't happen.
The Bucks wanted a 2. They got one in Redick. We had 2s to offer.
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No 2s in the right contract situation who seemed like a good fit for the Bucks.
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Do waste your time. Nobody is coming.
Better tell Danny Ainge that, since he's reportedly said they will look to find one or two bigs in the next few weeks.
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Do waste your time. Nobody is coming.
Well that's just wrong. It may be someone you don't like but I guarantee they pick up 1 or 2 bigs...
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Well id take JO in a heartbeat, can guard the paint while KG sits and has been injury free since he underwent the German knee treatment. Knows our system and is playing better than he has in last 5 years
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Well id take JO in a heartbeat, can guard the paint while KG sits and has been injury free since he underwent the German knee treatment. Knows our system and is playing better than he has in last 5 years
I 2nd that! Hope he & Doc by-gones are just that. But OKC really wants him also.
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Well id take JO in a heartbeat, can guard the paint while KG sits and has been injury free since he underwent the German knee treatment. Knows our system and is playing better than he has in last 5 years
I 2nd that! Hope he & Doc by-gones are just that. But OKC really wants him also.
Agreed. Can't hurt and he has been healthy and productive
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Well id take JO in a heartbeat, can guard the paint while KG sits and has been injury free since he underwent the German knee treatment. Knows our system and is playing better than he has in last 5 years
He gets treated by the best medical staff in the league in Phoenix... and Celtics' medical staff might be one of the worst.
I don't think he wants to come back anyway, he didn't exactly leave Boston under the best circumstances!
However, if I somehow knew he'd stay healthy for the rest of the season, I'd take him in a heartbeat too.
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I still don't get what is up with Hassan Whiteside. Statistically he dominates the D-Leaugue's per48 holding the #1 spot in rebounding and blocked shots, but hardly plays since getting traded to Houston's affiliate.
He falls out of bed and blocks 2 shots. He is top ten, seventh I think, in fg% as well. He is a legit 7 footer who is athletic, jumps well, and runs well. Why not have this guy play 10 minutes a game?
I can see the replies now, "because he sucks." Well if he sucks why is he grabbing rebounds and blocking shots at a better clip than anyone else in the D-League? I watched him play the Red Claws and after he swatted two shots of people driving the Red Claws went into a 3pt shooting contest offense only.
We need a guy who can block shots and rebound. Seems like a fit.
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JO is not walking thru that door.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226295/ONeal-Not-Seeking-Buyout-From-Suns
Scratch another big off the list. Keeping track, Danny?
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Well id take JO in a heartbeat, can guard the paint while KG sits and has been injury free since he underwent the German knee treatment. Knows our system and is playing better than he has in last 5 years
He gets treated by the best medical staff in the league in Phoenix... and Celtics' medical staff might be one of the worst.
I don't think he wants to come back anyway, he didn't exactly leave Boston under the best circumstances!
However, if I somehow knew he'd stay healthy for the rest of the season, I'd take him in a heartbeat too.
I don't think calling our staff one of the worst is particularly fair. They did save two people's lives last year. And OKC, their medical staff cost them a draft pick, certainly ours has to be better than them.
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Maybe shaq will come out of retirement...
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JO is not walking thru that door.
Thank GOD!
Anyone remember these headlines?
www.celticstown.com/2012/03/16/what-in-the-world-is-going-on-with-jermaine-oneal/
http://hoops-nation.com/community/topic/32552-celtics-pursuing-jj-hickson-jermaine-oneal-wants-a-buyout-to-play-in-miami-ray-allen-available/
I can't believe some of you want him back?
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Jermaine O'Neal is up there on most-hated Celtics
Doesn't contribute, then when he leaves he says he was being underutilized.
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Ben Wallace... He will be more effective than Collins and Wilcox
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I still don't get what is up with Hassan Whiteside. Statistically he dominates the D-Leaugue's per48 holding the #1 spot in rebounding and blocked shots, but hardly plays since getting traded to Houston's affiliate.
He falls out of bed and blocks 2 shots. He is top ten, seventh I think, in fg% as well. He is a legit 7 footer who is athletic, jumps well, and runs well. Why not have this guy play 10 minutes a game?
I can see the replies now, "because he sucks." Well if he sucks why is he grabbing rebounds and blocking shots at a better clip than anyone else in the D-League? I watched him play the Red Claws and after he swatted two shots of people driving the Red Claws went into a 3pt shooting contest offense only.
We need a guy who can block shots and rebound. Seems like a fit.
+1 on Whiteside, you have mentioned him before, and I think he's worth a shot despite some derogatory stuff on this board about his basketball IQ.
Here's a great article on him written around the first of the year:
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2012/12/29/3810252/hassan-whiteside-is-silencing-his-doubters-with-recent-strong-play
"Questions about basketball IQ swirled again, yet teams were drawn to Whiteside's obvious physical abilities. His 7'7" wingspan makes him an ideal shot blocker, rebounder, and defensive weapon in the paint.
On the offensive end of the floor, he has great feel around the rim and finishes strong. Whiteside is also a perimeter threat who can knock down the occasional shot from behind the arc and is accurate from mid-range as well.
And this on his potential from NBAdraft.net:
"NBA Comparison: Marcus Camby/Tyson Chandler
Strengths: A legit 7-footer with excellent size, strength and potential ... Has good agility and run/jump athleticism ... Very intriguing combination of physical attributes (7-feet and 230 lbs with a 7-6 wingspan) and an explosive athlete ... Imposing defensive presence due to his length and leaping ability ... Already a force defensively averaging 4.4 blocks per game in just over 20 minutes per game (through his first 7 games) ... An excellent rebounder, using his size and strength well on the glass at both ends ... Shows an exuberance for the game and should continue to develop as he gains experience ... Shows some nice things offensively with developing post skills and touch on his shot ... He is still in the early stages in his offensive development, so sticking around college 2-3 years would benefit him in the long run
Worth a look.
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Wow cool. Finally someone agrees with me. ;D
I think he went to China last season. That has a way of getting someone's attention. I don't need the guy to join MENSA, I just want someone that makes guards respect us when they drive.
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Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
From today's Herald, big man names C's have discussed: Jerome Jordan, Tim Ohlbrecht, Shavlik Randolph, Louis Amundson, D.J. White.
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What about Diop? He seems like a classic vet buyout candidate.
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What about Diop? He seems like a classic vet buyout candidate.
He'd be great, if he wasn't quite horrible. An illustrative example how a Kendrick Perkins type turns out without the work ethic.
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Kenyon Martin
Lou Amundson
Darko
Dampier
Troy Murphy
Jermaine O'Neal ( buyout)
Ben Wallace
Greg Oden ( out for the year)
Chris Kaman (buyout)
Elton Brand ( buyout)
Who am I missing ?
No Dalembert as a potential buyout candidate? He or Kaman are really the only ones i'd consider signing.
There is no way either Dalembertor Kaman get bought out. The Buck traded for JJ to try and make a playoff push and you don't get rid of a big for nothing. They could have traded him. Same goes for Kaman, plus he's hurt right now...
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Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
From today's Herald, big man names C's have discussed: Jerome Jordan, Tim Ohlbrecht, Shavlik Randolph, Louis Amundson, D.J. White.
Olbrecht is an intriguing prospect. Size, rebounding, shot blocking. Worth a shot, I think.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/tim_ohlbrecht/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tim-ohlbrecht
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Found this: List of free agents (http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm)
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Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
From today's Herald, big man names C's have discussed: Jerome Jordan, Tim Ohlbrecht, Shavlik Randolph, Louis Amundson, D.J. White.
Olbrecht is an intriguing prospect. Size, rebounding, shot blocking. Worth a shot, I think.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/tim_ohlbrecht/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tim-ohlbrecht
And a good free-throw shooter apparently.
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Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
From today's Herald, big man names C's have discussed: Jerome Jordan, Tim Ohlbrecht, Shavlik Randolph, Louis Amundson, D.J. White.
Olbrecht is an intriguing prospect. Size, rebounding, shot blocking. Worth a shot, I think.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/tim_ohlbrecht/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tim-ohlbrecht
Sounds good, though the quote on nba draft about his lack of passion for the game smacks of patty o' . Something Kg just don't abide
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Found this: List of free agents (http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm)
Earl Barron light us up a few years back when he was with the knicks
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Can't believe ORL is about to waive Hakim Warrick.
Stretch 4, talented defender. Would be perfect for our system.
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I still don't get what is up with Hassan Whiteside. Statistically he dominates the D-Leaugue's per48 holding the #1 spot in rebounding and blocked shots, but hardly plays since getting traded to Houston's affiliate.
He falls out of bed and blocks 2 shots. He is top ten, seventh I think, in fg% as well. He is a legit 7 footer who is athletic, jumps well, and runs well. Why not have this guy play 10 minutes a game?
I can see the replies now, "because he sucks." Well if he sucks why is he grabbing rebounds and blocking shots at a better clip than anyone else in the D-League? I watched him play the Red Claws and after he swatted two shots of people driving the Red Claws went into a 3pt shooting contest offense only.
We need a guy who can block shots and rebound. Seems like a fit.
TP for thinking the same!
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What about Diop? He seems like a classic vet buyout candidate.
He'd be great, if he wasn't quite horrible. An illustrative example how a Kendrick Perkins type turns out without the work ethic.
A better comparison is Jason Collins. He's a capable defender, but can't buy a bucket. He'd certainly be worth considering under the circumstances.
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I still don't get what is up with Hassan Whiteside. Statistically he dominates the D-Leaugue's per48 holding the #1 spot in rebounding and blocked shots, but hardly plays since getting traded to Houston's affiliate.
He falls out of bed and blocks 2 shots. He is top ten, seventh I think, in fg% as well. He is a legit 7 footer who is athletic, jumps well, and runs well. Why not have this guy play 10 minutes a game?
I can see the replies now, "because he sucks." Well if he sucks why is he grabbing rebounds and blocking shots at a better clip than anyone else in the D-League? I watched him play the Red Claws and after he swatted two shots of people driving the Red Claws went into a 3pt shooting contest offense only.
We need a guy who can block shots and rebound. Seems like a fit.
+1 on Whiteside, you have mentioned him before, and I think he's worth a shot despite some derogatory stuff on this board about his basketball IQ.
Here's a great article on him written around the first of the year:
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2012/12/29/3810252/hassan-whiteside-is-silencing-his-doubters-with-recent-strong-play
"Questions about basketball IQ swirled again, yet teams were drawn to Whiteside's obvious physical abilities. His 7'7" wingspan makes him an ideal shot blocker, rebounder, and defensive weapon in the paint.
On the offensive end of the floor, he has great feel around the rim and finishes strong. Whiteside is also a perimeter threat who can knock down the occasional shot from behind the arc and is accurate from mid-range as well.
And this on his potential from NBAdraft.net:
"NBA Comparison: Marcus Camby/Tyson Chandler
Strengths: A legit 7-footer with excellent size, strength and potential ... Has good agility and run/jump athleticism ... Very intriguing combination of physical attributes (7-feet and 230 lbs with a 7-6 wingspan) and an explosive athlete ... Imposing defensive presence due to his length and leaping ability ... Already a force defensively averaging 4.4 blocks per game in just over 20 minutes per game (through his first 7 games) ... An excellent rebounder, using his size and strength well on the glass at both ends ... Shows an exuberance for the game and should continue to develop as he gains experience ... Shows some nice things offensively with developing post skills and touch on his shot ... He is still in the early stages in his offensive development, so sticking around college 2-3 years would benefit him in the long run
Worth a look.
Sounds like the next Stiemsma. only taller. maybe Danny will take a look!
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I'm hoping Blatche gets waived.... We sure need him
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What about Diop? He seems like a classic vet buyout candidate.
I liked Diop a lot a few years. I haven't really seen him play since he tore his achilles. That is a scary injury to come back from. Really hurts a player's mobility.
Depending on how well he recovered from that torn achilles, Diop may or may not be a good option to pursue if waived.
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Eddie Curry is a good center, not too old and experience
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Would take Curry at this point..
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What about Diop? He seems like a classic vet buyout candidate.
I liked Diop a lot a few years. I haven't really seen him play since he tore his achilles. That is a scary injury to come back from. Really hurts a player's mobility.
Depending on how well he recovered from that torn achilles, Diop may or may not be a good option to pursue if waived.
I'm on the same boat. Don't know how he is at the moment, but my most vivid memory of him is believing that if Dallas had played him more against Golden State, they wouldn't have lost that series.
That Dallas playoff team had one of the worst coaching performances in recent memory, Avery Johnson.
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Any chance that any of these guys get released?
Brendan Haywood,
Tyrus Thomas,
Kwame Brown,
Chris Kaman,
Dexter Pittman,
Nazr Mohammed,
Drew Gooden,
Joel Przybilla,
Anthony Randolph,
Jared Jeffries,
Al Harrington,
Hakim Warrick,
Andris Biendrins,
Hamed Haddadi,
Jermaine O'Neal.
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I'm hoping Blatche gets waived.... We sure need him
Blatche is getting 20 mpg with Brooklyn.
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Still puzzled by Ohlbrecht rejecting unless he is the midst of multiple offers and the celts one was the least attractive.
DJ White i guess it is. Has the build of a Reggie Evans. But better athleticism and not as good rebounding skills (unless he improved from his China stint).
Look at his game stats for last year with the bobcats and he was putting up 6 boards in like 20 min =[
I still think Danny should also consider Rick Jackson.
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I've come up with 4 groups of possible big men for C's:
1.Hakim Warrick ( this is a group of guys who can really help the team and i've found only 1 guy for this group)
2.Tony Battie, Erick Dampier, Ben Wallace, Juwan Howard
(group of veterans who can give us Collins contribution of some 8min per game)
3.Mickell Gladness, Jarvis Varnado, Hassan Whiteside, Louis Amundson, Keith Benson, Sean Williams ( group of good defenders but young and with a little expirience)
4.Earl Barron, Josh Harrellson, Brad Miller, Luke Harangody, Troy Murphy, Samardo Samuels, DaJuan Summers
(group of guys who can be a liability at the defensive end but they all got some skills for scoring or rebounding)
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Any chance that any of these guys get released?
Brendan Haywood,
Tyrus Thomas,
Kwame Brown,
Chris Kaman,
Dexter Pittman,
Nazr Mohammed,
Drew Gooden,
Joel Przybilla,
Anthony Randolph,
Jared Jeffries,
Al Harrington,
Hakim Warrick,
Andris Biendrins,
Hamed Haddadi,
Jermaine O'Neal.
Don't know for the life of me why GS never amnestied Biendrins
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Found this: List of free agents (http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm)
Earl Barron light us up a few years back when he was with the knicks
Darko is on the list. Does that mean he's coming back to the NBA? Will he be willing to rejoin the Celtics?
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Don't know for the life of me why GS never amnestied Biendrins
Because they are idiots. In fact, you can pretty much ignore anyone who holds up the Warriors as a model franchise to emulate in building a roster.
The long story is that Golden State amnestied the expiring contract of Charlie Bell, rescinded their qualifying offer to Reggie Williams, and waived Jeremy Lin to create the cap space needed to sign DeAndre Jordan to an offer sheet that the Clippers had no problem deciding to match.
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Don't know for the life of me why GS never amnestied Biendrins
Because they are idiots. In fact, you can pretty much ignore anyone who holds up the Warriors as a model franchise to emulate in building a roster.
The long story is that Golden State amnestied the expiring contract of Charlie Bell, rescinded their qualifying offer to Reggie Williams, and waived Jeremy Lin to create the cap space needed to sign DeAndre Jordan to an offer sheet that the Clippers had no problem deciding to match.
Biedrins, on the other hand, is a curious case. He had three quite promising seasons, then fell off a cliff ::)