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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: relja on February 21, 2013, 04:45:04 PM
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team.. When we are already paper thin, Ainge trades 2 guys (1 of them a big) for a guy who will not see much playing time.. I'm sorry, but how are we better? Okay, we signed T-Will and Crawford, but we aren't more deeper.. Plus, we are down to very few big men.. An old KG who can't play many mins, Wilcox who is in Docs doghouse and a guy who has no clue what to do on the court.. And by giving up on Barbosa while injured we probably deprived ourselves of the chance of ever resigning him..
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To get good players you gotta give up good players. And we don't really have the assets.
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"Sometimes, the best plan of action is no plan of action"
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not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team
What is this based upon?
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team.. When we are already paper thin, Ainge trades 2 guys (1 of them a big) for a guy who will not see much playing time.. I'm sorry, but how are we better? Okay, we signed T-Will and Crawford, but we aren't more deeper.. Plus, we are down to very few big men.. An old KG who can't play many mins, Wilcox who is in Docs doghouse and a guy who has no clue what to do on the court.. And by giving up on Barbosa while injured we probably deprived ourselves of the chance of ever resigning him..
The red comments are the ones I disagree with.
I have no doubt Danny worked the phones pretty hard today to improve the team.
Crawford will get PT. He's one of only four healthy guards on the roster, and provides needed scoring.
Buyout candidates are coming, and the Celtics cleared a little more room for a free agent signing.
And I'm pretty sure Ainge would have gauged Barbosa's feelings about a return even if he ended up traded at the deadline.
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"Sometimes, the best plan of action is no plan of action"
Yeah, that's not the case here.
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not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team
What is this based upon?
Apparently based on our failure to procure a franchise player for a package headlined by Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass.
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team.. When we are already paper thin, Ainge trades 2 guys (1 of them a big) for a guy who will not see much playing time.. I'm sorry, but how are we better? Okay, we signed T-Will and Crawford, but we aren't more deeper.. Plus, we are down to very few big men.. An old KG who can't play many mins, Wilcox who is in Docs doghouse and a guy who has no clue what to do on the court.. And by giving up on Barbosa while injured we probably deprived ourselves of the chance of ever resigning him..
Were you that desperate to trade KG for Eric Blesoe? ... Really that anxious to give up Pierce for Kris Humphries? Disappointed nobody wanted to give up an elite big man for a pu pu platter of Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger and Fab Melo? What would you have done differently?
If I'm the GM of another team, I don't give up an elite big for what the Celtics were offering. If I traded Marcin Gortat for a 3rd string big like Brandon Bass and a one-dimensional backup point guard like Avery Bradley, I'd be fired. It is what it is. Fans always overrated their players and buy into the message board perception of trade value. If we could have done better, Ainge would have done it.
Instead, we filled a need... a replacement for Barbosa. Crawford is a poor man's Barbosa... he should fit in well with what the Celtics were doing during their post-Rondo win streak.
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Apparently based on our failure to procure a franchise player for a package headlined by Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass.
I see what you just did there.
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not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team
What is this based upon?
It's already a playoff worthy team ::)
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team.. When we are already paper thin, Ainge trades 2 guys (1 of them a big) for a guy who will not see much playing time.. I'm sorry, but how are we better? Okay, we signed T-Will and Crawford, but we aren't more deeper.. Plus, we are down to very few big men.. An old KG who can't play many mins, Wilcox who is in Docs doghouse and a guy who has no clue what to do on the court.. And by giving up on Barbosa while injured we probably deprived ourselves of the chance of ever resigning him..
I would like to remind you of every other trade deadline since 08. How could anyone surely expect something different? The biggest trade was perk for green. And that's it, really. We're bargain basement hunters, not wheelers and dealers.
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Nothing out there made sense. The Amnesty Clause eliminated so many big expiring deals for teams to use to match salaries.
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What would you have him do? I don't think LA would take Howard for Melo. Or Miami would take James for Pierce.
Pick up what we can from buyouts or whatever can be found. What do people think would happen?
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team.. When we are already paper thin, Ainge trades 2 guys (1 of them a big) for a guy who will not see much playing time.. I'm sorry, but how are we better? Okay, we signed T-Will and Crawford, but we aren't more deeper.. Plus, we are down to very few big men.. An old KG who can't play many mins, Wilcox who is in Docs doghouse and a guy who has no clue what to do on the court.. And by giving up on Barbosa while injured we probably deprived ourselves of the chance of ever resigning him..
Were you that desperate to trade KG for Eric Blesoe? ... Really that anxious to give up Pierce for Kris Humphries? Disappointed nobody wanted to give up an elite big man for a pu pu platter of Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger and Fab Melo? What would you have done differently?
If I'm the GM of another team, I don't give up an elite big for what the Celtics were offering. If I traded Marcin Gortat for a 3rd string big like Brandon Bass and a one-dimensional backup point guard like Avery Bradley, I'd be fired. It is what it is. Fans always overrated their players and buy into the message board perception of trade value. If we could have done better, Ainge would have done it.
Instead, we filled a need... a replacement for Barbosa. Crawford is a poor man's Barbosa... he should fit in well with what the Celtics were doing during their post-Rondo win streak.
I agree with your general point, but if I was the Suns GM I would gladly trade Gortat for Bradley+Sullinger/Bass and filler. Especially being in rebuilding mode.
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not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team
What is this based upon?
Exactly. Not that it is a definitive measure, but I was happy with all the twitter rumors that included the Celtics, to me it showed we were one of the most active teams. I am disappointed too, but we really didn't have great assets for Ainge to improve the team. Look at the rest of the league, who did better? Only a couple of teams in my opinion.
It is arguable that losing Collins hurts more than taking a flyer on Crawford, but I am going to wait until we see who we end up adding for a big.
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Crawford is a poor man's Barbosa...
Crawford is considerably better than Barbosa at the current stage of their respective careers.
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Crawford is a poor man's Barbosa...
Crawford is considerably better than Barbosa at the current stage of their respective careers.
Barbosa was having a horrific year, I think he could have played better (provided he had more PT)
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gary washburn @GwashNBAGlobe
Danny Ainge says that's it for #celtics deals, but club is expected to search waiver wire for another big man
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not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team
What is this based upon?
Upon the fact that we are thinner than ever at the 4 and 5, which was a more pressing issue.
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Crawford is a poor man's Barbosa...
Crawford is considerably better than Barbosa at the current stage of their respective careers.
And I think he could probably outrun him today too.
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team.. When we are already paper thin, Ainge trades 2 guys (1 of them a big) for a guy who will not see much playing time.. I'm sorry, but how are we better? Okay, we signed T-Will and Crawford, but we aren't more deeper.. Plus, we are down to very few big men.. An old KG who can't play many mins, Wilcox who is in Docs doghouse and a guy who has no clue what to do on the court.. And by giving up on Barbosa while injured we probably deprived ourselves of the chance of ever resigning him..
If I traded Marcin Gortat for a 3rd string big like Brandon Bass and a one-dimensional backup point guard like Avery Bradley, I'd be fired. It is what it is.
I strongly disagree on this one. If you got Bradley out of the Gottat deal, that'd be pretty sweet for Phoenix, being a rebuilding team.
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts
Consider it done.
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Crawford is a poor man's Barbosa...
Crawford is considerably better than Barbosa at the current stage of their respective careers.
I agree. Playing the same minutes as Barbosa it will probably be a wash though.
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Soon jason terry will be playing at center......
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team.. When we are already paper thin, Ainge trades 2 guys (1 of them a big) for a guy who will not see much playing time.. I'm sorry, but how are we better? Okay, we signed T-Will and Crawford, but we aren't more deeper.. Plus, we are down to very few big men.. An old KG who can't play many mins, Wilcox who is in Docs doghouse and a guy who has no clue what to do on the court.. And by giving up on Barbosa while injured we probably deprived ourselves of the chance of ever resigning him..
Were you that desperate to trade KG for Eric Blesoe? ... Really that anxious to give up Pierce for Kris Humphries? Disappointed nobody wanted to give up an elite big man for a pu pu platter of Avery Bradley, Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger and Fab Melo? What would you have done differently?
If I'm the GM of another team, I don't give up an elite big for what the Celtics were offering. If I traded Marcin Gortat for a 3rd string big like Brandon Bass and a one-dimensional backup point guard like Avery Bradley, I'd be fired. It is what it is. Fans always overrated their players and buy into the message board perception of trade value. If we could have done better, Ainge would have done it.
Instead, we filled a need... a replacement for Barbosa. Crawford is a poor man's Barbosa... he should fit in well with what the Celtics were doing during their post-Rondo win streak.
I agree with your general point, but if I was the Suns GM I would gladly trade Gortat for Bradley+Sullinger/Bass and filler. Especially being in rebuilding mode.
You're clearly a fan of Bradley so that doesn't surprise me. And in that case.. you can't be mad that Ainge didn't pull a trigger on a deal the Suns wouldn't have taken.... since you'd be upset, as a Celtic fan, if he traded away Bradley, Sully and Bass for Gortat.
There were no good deals to take and Danny didn't take a bad one. Can't be mad at him.
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Soon jason terry will be playing at center......
I hope he can hit a hook shot better then his 3's this year.
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Danny Ainge says that's it for #celtics deals, but club is expected to search waiver wire for another big man
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Crawford is a poor man's Barbosa...
Crawford is considerably better than Barbosa at the current stage of their respective careers.
I agree. Playing the same minutes as Barbosa it will probably be a wash though.
I disagree. Barbosa is pretty efficient. Crawford is a bricklayer. But at this point, you take Crawford over an injured Barbosa. So it's a win. For this team, this year... Crawford will make a fine replacement for Barbosa. 4th in the guard rotation. 15-20 minutes a night. Scorer off the bench.
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not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team
What is this based upon?
Upon the fact that we are thinner than ever at the 4 and 5, which was a more pressing issue.
Healthy guards on the roster before today:
Bradley, Lee, Terry
Healthy bigs on the roster before today:
KG, Wilcox, Bass, Melo, Collins
Not a more pressing issue, especially when Jeff Green can also play the 4.
Waiver wire/buyouts are coming, people. Come down off the ledge.
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team..
Big man is not coming,and Collins is traded(?!)I named DA incompetent some days before, being sure that he is not gonna do anythink. Look what kind of failure. After all this what he did, since 2010,from trading Perk and letting Ray going to HEAT, the team is gonna be worse and worse, I think that Cs have to send him out, not only for mistakes he is making, but more being concerned about the future what I see a dark future under him power.
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team..
Big man is not coming,and Collins is traded(?!)I named DA incompetent some days before, being sure that he is not gonna do anythink. Look what kind of failure. After all this what he did, since 2010,from trading Perk and letting Ray going to HEAT, the team is gonna be worse and worse, I think that Cs have to send him out, not only for mistakes he is making, but more being concerned about the future what I see a dark future under him power.
Maybe the Celtics should just hire you. But first, you may have to learn how to use a fullstop -- this thing is really hard to read.
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team..
Big man is not coming,and Collins is traded(?!)I named DA incompetent some days before, being sure that he is not gonna do anythink. Look what kind of failure. After all this what he did, since 2010,from trading Perk and letting Ray going to HEAT, the team is gonna be worse and worse, I think that Cs have to send him out, not only for mistakes he is making, but more being concerned about the future what I see a dark future under him power.
Maybe the Celtics should just hire you. But first, you may have to learn how to use a fullstop -- this thing is really hard to read.
I do have intention to be DA. I am not looking for this position. But you have to respect opinion of other people if they think differenntly from you
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The Celtics did not have enough assets to bring back a big man of quality. Its that simple.
We all want to trade Bass or Melo away, but why would anyone else want them? Bass is over paid and very 1 dimensional. Melo is an Acie Earl style project.
If the C's traded Lee their perimeter defense gets worse, and further exposes the weak front court.
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I do have intention to be DA. I am not looking for this position. But you have to respect opinion of other people if they think differenntly from you
I consider myself a logical person. People who think differently from me are often illogical. I do not feel the need to respect illogical opinions of other people, although I may feel the need to pretend to respect the other person.
In your case, your wording seems like it comes from someone whose first language is not English, which may cause problems for people trying to read what you wrote.
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Kenyon Martin is going to the Knicks on a 10 day contract.
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I do have intention to be DA. I am not looking for this position. But you have to respect opinion of other people if they think differenntly from you
I consider myself a logical person. People who think differently from me are often illogical..
Thats you problem...Good to be mentioned by yourself
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Man, it seem like ages ago that we were the biggest team in the league with KG, Baby, Shaq, JO, Perk, and Semih.
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Kenyon Martin is going to the Knicks on a 10 day contract.
Wow, that's a really old team.
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Kenyon Martin is going to the Knicks on a 10 day contract.
I am really surprised it's just for ten days.
Wonder if Rasheed is done, for the second time.
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Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
Moot now, but as to whether KG would've waived his no-trade, CPaul and Chauncey couldn't convince him. Clips were still conflicted.
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Kenyon Martin is going to the Knicks on a 10 day contract.
I am really surprised it's just for ten days.
Wonder if Rasheed is done, for the second time.
Woodson was quoted as saying both Rasheed and Camby have started practicing again. So who knows. Except Chandler, all the other bigs on their roster are old - Camby, Wallace, Martin, Thomas.
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Crawford is only 22? So he can improve?? Cool. I like the move even if he was 30, you got a healthy guy or a guy out for season and Colly.
LOL I think he's 24...
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Well at least the question was answered. We are sticking it out with the old guys and a small team. Sucks the other teams in the east are so bad, I wouldn't mind getting a lottery pick this year and coming back next year and try again.
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Call me panicky and a guy who overreacts, but this trade deadline is a complete and utter failure.. No big man added, no big trades made, not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team.. When we are already paper thin, Ainge trades 2 guys (1 of them a big) for a guy who will not see much playing time.. I'm sorry, but how are we better? Okay, we signed T-Will and Crawford, but we aren't more deeper.. Plus, we are down to very few big men.. An old KG who can't play many mins, Wilcox who is in Docs doghouse and a guy who has no clue what to do on the court.. And by giving up on Barbosa while injured we probably deprived ourselves of the chance of ever resigning him..
Who's the guy who has no clue what to do, Bass?
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I said 3 weeks ago there wouldnt be any major trades..Just see minor trades and i was right. But thought C;s would get Gortat :(
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"Sometimes, the best plan of action is no plan of action"
We know. They are going to win it all, right?
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not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team
What is this based upon?
It's already a playoff worthy team ::)
If Fab Melo has to play any real minutes it might not be.
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not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team
What is this based upon?
It's already a playoff worthy team ::)
If Fab Melo has to play any real minutes it might not be.
He won't. Maybe for a game.
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Doc said C’s will monitor buyouts and D-League to add big. Nothing imminent. Doc also plans to sit KG at times, leaving C’s really small.
- @ESPNForsberg
Really small? That should be a lot of fun. :/
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not much effort put in to make a playoff worthy team
What is this based upon?
It's already a playoff worthy team ::)
If Fab Melo has to play any real minutes it might not be.
At this point, I am all about Fab getting as much playing time as possible. We aren't going anywhere this year so we might as well see what we have in our [uninjured] first round pick.
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Doc said C’s will monitor buyouts and D-League to add big. Nothing imminent. Doc also plans to sit KG at times, leaving C’s really small.
- @ESPNForsberg
Really small? That should be a lot of fun. :/
Midget ball, I predict another losing streak.
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Great more small ball. Anyway the Jeff Green and Jordan Crawford look very much alike its scary.
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Doc said C’s will monitor buyouts and D-League to add big. Nothing imminent. Doc also plans to sit KG at times, leaving C’s really small.
- @ESPNForsberg
Really small? That should be a lot of fun. :/
Bass at the 5. That is pretty exciting stuff
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Doc said C’s will monitor buyouts and D-League to add big. Nothing imminent. Doc also plans to sit KG at times, leaving C’s really small.
- @ESPNForsberg
Really small? That should be a lot of fun. :/
Bass at the 5. That is pretty exciting stuff
Oye. Im becoming a thunder fan.
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Oye. Im becoming a thunder fan.
Excellent -- how much would we have to hear about it? ;D
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The ONLY thing, that I'm a bit disappointed about, is that Danny apparantly didn't try to get Chris Andersen to Boston. I really don't see anyone else both desirable and available, unless we would give up even more players. Remember that the Celtics are under a hard cap, and unless we clear salary (and roster places), as Danny did with the Crawford-trade, there is just no wiggle room.
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"Sometimes, the best plan of action is no plan of action"
We know. They are going to win it all, right?
If your view of NBA team management is as myopic as "win it all" then you are going to be disappointed.
The goal for all these franchises, even the Celtics and the Lakers, is to put a team out there that is competitive, fun to watch, fun to root for, and fills the seats. Yes there is a premium for winning championships in Boston and LA.
But let's not kid ourselves: the Celtics have one championship over the last 25 years. Might as well be the Kansas City Royals. And during the 90's there wasn't much difference between the two honestly.
Enter Wyc, Danny, and Doc. They have put together a franchise that has been incredibly enjoyable to watch. Since we got KG, they have also been incredibly good. Any fan who is not full of himself would easily admit that the past 6 years of Celtics basketball is about as good as it gets in the NBA, from a fan standpoint. Hell, ask a Knicks fan about that.
So yeah...keeping the 2 guys basically responsible for the last 6 years of awesome, enjoyable basketball, 2 hall of famers, 2 all-time Celtics greats....keeping them around for another year or to is pretty good idea to me.
If you'd rather watch Beldsoe and Jordan, go with Simmons and become a Clippers fan.
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I was hoping we'd get a big from the Rockets they had a glut of good forwards.
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Listen, this fan base is extremely bi polar. First you have posters who believe we need to inject youth into the team...Danny gets a 24 year old shooting guard with a good handle but an attitude problem for Jason Collins...Ill say this again...Ainge traded a stiff center that averaged around 10 minutes per game for a 24 year old volume scoring shooting guard. People wanted to blow it up to get young assets. Ainge got a solid young asset for free and everyone is getting angry? Why? Because we didn't get a super duper big name? We replaced Barbosa and it sure is hell isn't going to be difficult to replace Collins. People are mad that KG and Pierce didn't get traded for the future hall of fame talents of Eric Bledsoe and Deandre Jordan, just like when Perk got traded you would have thought that Bill Russell was just traded to the Lakers for scrubs by the reaction of the fans. Ainge is the GM for a reason, he probably wanted to do the Clipper deal but KG was too loyal? In a sport where we all Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and moan about the mercenary aspect, KG wanted to be here, Pierce wanted to be here, everyone loves buying shiny new toys but sometimes the older ones are more reliable.
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Listen, this fan base is extremely bi polar. First you have posters who believe we need to inject youth into the team...Danny gets a 24 year old shooting guard with a good handle but an attitude problem for Jason Collins...Ill say this again...Ainge traded a stiff center that averaged around 10 minutes per game for a 24 year old volume scoring shooting guard. People wanted to blow it up to get young assets. Ainge got a solid young asset for free and everyone is getting angry? Why? Because we didn't get a super duper big name? We replaced Barbosa and it sure is hell isn't going to be difficult to replace Collins. People are mad that KG and Pierce didn't get traded for the future hall of fame talents of Eric Bledsoe and Deandre Jordan, just like when Perk got traded you would have thought that Bill Russell was just traded to the Lakers for scrubs by the reaction of the fans. Ainge is the GM for a reason, he probably wanted to do the Clipper deal but KG was too loyal? In a sport where we all **** and moan about the mercenary aspect, KG wanted to be here, Pierce wanted to be here, everyone loves buying shiny new toys but sometimes the older ones are more reliable.
+1 Gazillion... blockbuster trades is good on papers and also on media... it won't bring you instant banner #18..
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Doc said C’s will monitor buyouts and D-League to add big. Nothing imminent. Doc also plans to sit KG at times, leaving C’s really small.
- @ESPNForsberg
Really small? That should be a lot of fun. :/
Avery Bradley at the 4.
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I think Crawford is a pretty good player. He was putting up 15 ppg for the season. Also has some range, hits about 33% from three. Not a franchise player, duh, but when you're only giving up an injured Barbosa and a journeyman center in Collins, this move helps the Celtics ability to score.
Best part is that Crawford has a dirt cheap contract, like 1.2m and is under salary control for a couple of seasons before becoming an RFA.
Wait for a big man in the draft, there will be like a dozen 7 footers available.
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Melo is going to have to get minutes now. Though I do fear that Doc will just play Bass into the ground with Wilcox subbing in for spot duty.
I'm really hoping Kaman gets bought out by underachieving Dallas.