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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Eddie20 on February 21, 2013, 08:06:27 AM
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/55049/latest-on-josh-smith-talks
The Atlanta Hawks inched closer to Thursday's 3 p.m. trade deadline more determined than ever to trade Josh Smith, according to sources with knowledge of the Hawks' thinking.
They've still got to find a suitable trade partner, though.
The consistent word circulating in front-office circles late Wednesday was that Atlanta has yet to find a deal it likes for Smith in a down market, despite the determined pursuit of the Brooklyn Nets and consistent (but conditional) interest from Milwaukee and Boston.
The Nets, sources say, will continue Thursday to search for a third team to help facilitate a deal for Smith, since Atlanta has made it clear that it wants no part of Kris Humphries.
Milwaukee would appear to be the most likely destination for Smith entering deadline day, but it remains to seen whether the Bucks will ultimately be willing to part with guard Monta Ellis, whom Atlanta has targeted as the primary player it wants from them.
As for Boston: Including Paul Pierce or Rajon Rondo in any deal with the Hawks is presumed to be the only way for the Celtics to land Smith, which is problematic for the Celts for a number of reasons. Focusing on just two of them: 1) Trading Pierce somewhere he doesn't want to go isn't nearly as easy as it sounds given what PP's stature is in his city and with that franchise; 2) Boston's chances of getting Atlanta's unrestricted free agent-to-be to sign for the long term there would almost certainly be damaged if Rondo, one of Smith's best friends, wasn't still there to team up with him.
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Stein has a sound mentality on this; Boston & Atlanta are looking for two different things here. They just don't match up here as trade partners for a number of reasons. Someone would have to blink and back down to have any trade work. I just don't see that happening.
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I would do Pierce for Smith in a heartbeat.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2013-02-20/nba-trade-rumors-rumor-mill-josh-smith-bucks-rajon-rondo-eric-gordon-celtics
Of Boston’s stars, then, that leaves Paul Pierce as the only prospect for a trade. League sources pin that as a long shot, especially with Garnett staying put. Still, the Celtics are intrigued by the recent play of Jeff Green and the feeling is that he could blossom if he didn’t feel he needed to defer to Pierce. But Pierce remains one of the team’s most popular veterans, and shipping him off without getting full value would be a risky move.
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I just wish Smith does not end up in LAL at trade deadline. If that happens, they'll chase a playoffs spot this season and they will be contenders.
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I know it's not a popular move but I'd trade Pierce for Smith.
It sure would be interesting to see how KG would react
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If the Celtics trade Pierce for Smith, they are going to be committing to overpaying Smith next year.
That in many ways is one of the worse case scenarios for a team wanting to retool.
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If the Celtics trade Pierce for Smith, they are going to be committing to overpaying Smith next year.
That in many ways is one of the worse case scenarios for a team wanting to retool.
Yes and no, I guess it depends on how you envision handling Rondo and the rebuild. Do you hollow it out with just Rondo and try the FA market? Do you just use cap space to pick up assets and players, etc...
Paying Josh Smith isn't the worst thing for a team that already has Rondo. Though it does mean you have to be very careful to add shooters elsewhere.
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If the Celtics trade Pierce for Smith, they are going to be committing to overpaying Smith next year.
That in many ways is one of the worse case scenarios for a team wanting to retool.
Yes and no, I guess it depends on how you envision handling Rondo and the rebuild. Do you hollow it out with just Rondo and try the FA market? Do you just use cap space to pick up assets and players, etc...
Paying Josh Smith isn't the worst thing for a team that already has Rondo. Though it does mean you have to be very careful to add shooters elsewhere.
yea and here's the thing, JOSH SMITH WANTS TO BE HERE!
Whats the point of getting a bunch of cap room if no one wants to come to Boston(cp3, Howard among others)
Doesn't it make sense to get a 26 year old borderline all-star , who actually wants to play here? Fits perfect with Rondo, yes you will need some shooters and a go to man (Jeff Green) to go with them, but we would have our defensive anchor and floor general in Rondo in place .
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If the Celtics trade Pierce for Smith, they are going to be committing to overpaying Smith next year.
That in many ways is one of the worse case scenarios for a team wanting to retool.
Yes and no, I guess it depends on how you envision handling Rondo and the rebuild. Do you hollow it out with just Rondo and try the FA market? Do you just use cap space to pick up assets and players, etc...
Paying Josh Smith isn't the worst thing for a team that already has Rondo. Though it does mean you have to be very careful to add shooters elsewhere.
The problem is it is just not Smith and Rondo.
There is also Jeff Green making 9 million. Bass 6+ million.
The team would be choked with Rondo and nice players. We would be looking at a low level playoff team without a good or realistic way to get to the next level.
I would much rather see the Celtics trim the fat of the long term role players so when Pierce and KG do leave, the Celtics have Rondo, some rookie type contracts and cap flexibility. Sure you make a run at certain FA or guys looking to be traded. But use that flexibility to start rebuild trade-able assets.
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If the Celtics trade Pierce for Smith, they are going to be committing to overpaying Smith next year.
That in many ways is one of the worse case scenarios for a team wanting to retool.
Yes and no, I guess it depends on how you envision handling Rondo and the rebuild. Do you hollow it out with just Rondo and try the FA market? Do you just use cap space to pick up assets and players, etc...
Paying Josh Smith isn't the worst thing for a team that already has Rondo. Though it does mean you have to be very careful to add shooters elsewhere.
yea and here's the thing, JOSH SMITH WANTS TO BE HERE!
Whats the point of getting a bunch of cap room if no one wants to come to Boston(cp3, Howard among others)
Doesn't it make sense to get a 26 year old borderline all-star , who actually wants to play here? Fits perfect with Rondo, yes you will need some shooters and a go to man (Jeff Green) to go with them, but we would have our defensive anchor and floor general in Rondo in place .
Because he is not a game changer. He is a nice player. Rondo and a bunch of nice players equals the Hawks.
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If the Celtics trade Pierce for Smith, they are going to be committing to overpaying Smith next year.
That in many ways is one of the worse case scenarios for a team wanting to retool.
Yes and no, I guess it depends on how you envision handling Rondo and the rebuild. Do you hollow it out with just Rondo and try the FA market? Do you just use cap space to pick up assets and players, etc...
Paying Josh Smith isn't the worst thing for a team that already has Rondo. Though it does mean you have to be very careful to add shooters elsewhere.
My problem with trading Pierce or Rondo go Smith is that you then lose any negotiating power in the summer. You basically have to give Smith a max deal, unless he decides on his own to be generous.
You simply can't trade away the best young asset, or the face of the franchise for a rental, and Smith's agent knows that.
On the other hand, if you trade some combination of Green/Lee/Bass/Sully/Melo/Pick, then I think it gives you a little more room this summer to walk away if Smith holds firm on his demands. Yeah, you are giving up value for him, but not such critical pieces that the majority of fans would be THAT up in arms about.
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If the Celtics trade Pierce for Smith, they are going to be committing to overpaying Smith next year.
That in many ways is one of the worse case scenarios for a team wanting to retool.
Yes and no, I guess it depends on how you envision handling Rondo and the rebuild. Do you hollow it out with just Rondo and try the FA market? Do you just use cap space to pick up assets and players, etc...
Paying Josh Smith isn't the worst thing for a team that already has Rondo. Though it does mean you have to be very careful to add shooters elsewhere.
My problem with trading Pierce or Rondo go Smith is that you then lose any negotiating power in the summer. You basically have to give Smith a max deal, unless he decides on his own to be generous.
You simply can't trade away the best young asset, or the face of the franchise for a rental, and Smith's agent knows that.
On the other hand, if you trade some combination of Green/Lee/Bass/Sully/Melo/Pick, then I think it gives you a little more room this summer to walk away if Smith holds firm on his demands. Yeah, you are giving up value for him, but not such critical pieces that the majority of fans would be THAT up in arms about.
Completely agree.
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If the Celtics trade Pierce for Smith, they are going to be committing to overpaying Smith next year.
That in many ways is one of the worse case scenarios for a team wanting to retool.
Yes and no, I guess it depends on how you envision handling Rondo and the rebuild. Do you hollow it out with just Rondo and try the FA market? Do you just use cap space to pick up assets and players, etc...
Paying Josh Smith isn't the worst thing for a team that already has Rondo. Though it does mean you have to be very careful to add shooters elsewhere.
My problem with trading Pierce or Rondo go Smith is that you then lose any negotiating power in the summer. You basically have to give Smith a max deal, unless he decides on his own to be generous.
You simply can't trade away the best young asset, or the face of the franchise for a rental, and Smith's agent knows that.
On the other hand, if you trade some combination of Green/Lee/Bass/Sully/Melo/Pick, then I think it gives you a little more room this summer to walk away if Smith holds firm on his demands. Yeah, you are giving up value for him, but not such critical pieces that the majority of fans would be THAT up in arms about.
Trading Rondo for Josh Smith is a non-starter for me. No point to it, doesn't make us favorites and you get the less player long term.
I guess I just think that paying Smith what I think he's worth, and max doesn't end up being a big difference in overall dollars and flexibility. Not when you're also paying Rajon Rondo his market rate on his next contract and have our other salary commitments.
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Trading Rondo for Josh Smith is a non-starter for me. No point to it, doesn't make us favorites and you get the less player long term.
I guess I just think that paying Smith what I think he's worth, and max doesn't end up being a big difference in overall dollars and flexibility. Not when you're also paying Rajon Rondo his market rate on his next contract and have our other salary commitments.
That's the area of the team I really want Ainge to attack. Trim one or two of them can be a huge bust for the team in the future.
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Trading Rondo for Josh Smith is a non-starter for me. No point to it, doesn't make us favorites and you get the less player long term.
I guess I just think that paying Smith what I think he's worth, and max doesn't end up being a big difference in overall dollars and flexibility. Not when you're also paying Rajon Rondo his market rate on his next contract and have our other salary commitments.
That's the area of the team I really want Ainge to attack. Trim one or two of them can be a huge bust for the team in the future.
Yeah, but you can do that after you land Smith as needed. Getting the higher end talent is always the hardest part.
I still think that Dons is right and the C's just don't match up with the Hawks as partners. But Danny should absolutely make sure he's still an available option, you never know if the Bucks/Suns get cold feet and Ferry caves for a lesser package.
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Trading Rondo for Josh Smith is a non-starter for me. No point to it, doesn't make us favorites and you get the less player long term.
I guess I just think that paying Smith what I think he's worth, and max doesn't end up being a big difference in overall dollars and flexibility. Not when you're also paying Rajon Rondo his market rate on his next contract and have our other salary commitments.
That's the area of the team I really want Ainge to attack. Trim one or two of them can be a huge bust for the team in the future.
Yeah, but you can do that after you land Smith as needed. Getting the higher end talent is always the hardest part.
I still think that Dons is right and the C's just don't match up with the Hawks as partners. But Danny should absolutely make sure he's still an available option, you never know if the Bucks/Suns get cold feet and Ferry caves for a lesser package.
I don't see him as high enough of an end. I see him more as a finishing touch.
If the Celtics can trade a package around Green, it makes sense.
If it takes Pierce (or Rondo), it does not make sense.
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Trading Rondo for Josh Smith is a non-starter for me. No point to it, doesn't make us favorites and you get the less player long term.
I guess I just think that paying Smith what I think he's worth, and max doesn't end up being a big difference in overall dollars and flexibility. Not when you're also paying Rajon Rondo his market rate on his next contract and have our other salary commitments.
That's the area of the team I really want Ainge to attack. Trim one or two of them can be a huge bust for the team in the future.
Yeah, but you can do that after you land Smith as needed. Getting the higher end talent is always the hardest part.
I still think that Dons is right and the C's just don't match up with the Hawks as partners. But Danny should absolutely make sure he's still an available option, you never know if the Bucks/Suns get cold feet and Ferry caves for a lesser package.
I don't see him as high enough of an end. I see him more as a finishing touch.
If the Celtics can trade a package around Green, it makes sense.
If it takes Pierce (or Rondo), it does not make sense.
so who's high end then ?
I have in no particular order
Aldridge
Love
Dwight
Kyrie
Durant
Westbrook
Paul George
Harden
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Camerlo
Deron Williams
CP3
Griffin
I am sure there are more , but we aren't getting any of those players for our assets
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Trading Rondo for Josh Smith is a non-starter for me. No point to it, doesn't make us favorites and you get the less player long term.
I guess I just think that paying Smith what I think he's worth, and max doesn't end up being a big difference in overall dollars and flexibility. Not when you're also paying Rajon Rondo his market rate on his next contract and have our other salary commitments.
That's the area of the team I really want Ainge to attack. Trim one or two of them can be a huge bust for the team in the future.
Yeah, but you can do that after you land Smith as needed. Getting the higher end talent is always the hardest part.
I still think that Dons is right and the C's just don't match up with the Hawks as partners. But Danny should absolutely make sure he's still an available option, you never know if the Bucks/Suns get cold feet and Ferry caves for a lesser package.
I don't see him as high enough of an end. I see him more as a finishing touch.
If the Celtics can trade a package around Green, it makes sense.
If it takes Pierce (or Rondo), it does not make sense.
so who's high end then ?
I have in no particular order
Aldridge
Love
Dwight
Kyrie
Durant
Westbrook
Paul George
Harden
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Camerlo
Deron Williams
CP3
Griffin
I am sure there are more , but we aren't getting any of those players for our assets
Agreed.
That's why I want the Celtics to start building real assets. A usually the best assets are young and cheap. Teams with flexibility and a attractive player already in place.
The Celtics can be that with a healthy Rondo in the near future.
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I'd strongly consider a Rondo for Smith trade, slightly no brainer to me, particularly if on the win now camp without sacrificing the future that much.
Whatever Smith is comanding contract wise, won't be bad if you plan on competing for the next few years anyways, and still over the cap. Then you'll have Smith, Green, Lee, and Sullinger on your roster with plenty of cap room... not that bad of a place to being the next facet of our journey, and by then Smith's contract won't be a long one.
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Trading Rondo for Josh Smith is a non-starter for me. No point to it, doesn't make us favorites and you get the less player long term.
I guess I just think that paying Smith what I think he's worth, and max doesn't end up being a big difference in overall dollars and flexibility. Not when you're also paying Rajon Rondo his market rate on his next contract and have our other salary commitments.
That's the area of the team I really want Ainge to attack. Trim one or two of them can be a huge bust for the team in the future.
Yeah, but you can do that after you land Smith as needed. Getting the higher end talent is always the hardest part.
I still think that Dons is right and the C's just don't match up with the Hawks as partners. But Danny should absolutely make sure he's still an available option, you never know if the Bucks/Suns get cold feet and Ferry caves for a lesser package.
I don't see him as high enough of an end. I see him more as a finishing touch.
If the Celtics can trade a package around Green, it makes sense.
If it takes Pierce (or Rondo), it does not make sense.
so who's high end then ?
I have in no particular order
Aldridge
Love
Dwight
Kyrie
Durant
Westbrook
Paul George
Harden
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Camerlo
Deron Williams
CP3
Griffin
I am sure there are more , but we aren't getting any of those players for our assets
Agreed.
That's why I want the Celtics to start building real assets. A usually the best assets are young and cheap. Teams with flexibility and a attractive player already in place.
The Celtics can be that with a healthy Rondo in the near future.
wdleehi I often agree with you but this time not at all!
The 2014-15 team will start with $52 million in contracts with out PP, so throw that year out and now we start in 2015 to rebuild?
Having a bunch of really good players makes it much easier to trade for an all-star, than having a bunch of crap.
If Danny follows your plan than IMO we will not have a contending team before 2020, this is the time now we can cut that time drastically.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
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Trading Rondo for Josh Smith is a non-starter for me. No point to it, doesn't make us favorites and you get the less player long term.
I guess I just think that paying Smith what I think he's worth, and max doesn't end up being a big difference in overall dollars and flexibility. Not when you're also paying Rajon Rondo his market rate on his next contract and have our other salary commitments.
That's the area of the team I really want Ainge to attack. Trim one or two of them can be a huge bust for the team in the future.
Yeah, but you can do that after you land Smith as needed. Getting the higher end talent is always the hardest part.
I still think that Dons is right and the C's just don't match up with the Hawks as partners. But Danny should absolutely make sure he's still an available option, you never know if the Bucks/Suns get cold feet and Ferry caves for a lesser package.
I don't see him as high enough of an end. I see him more as a finishing touch.
If the Celtics can trade a package around Green, it makes sense.
If it takes Pierce (or Rondo), it does not make sense.
How much longer do you expect PP to play (and play at a high level)? At this point in time is it really that much better to trade Green than Pierce?
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Trading Rondo for Josh Smith is a non-starter for me. No point to it, doesn't make us favorites and you get the less player long term.
I guess I just think that paying Smith what I think he's worth, and max doesn't end up being a big difference in overall dollars and flexibility. Not when you're also paying Rajon Rondo his market rate on his next contract and have our other salary commitments.
That's the area of the team I really want Ainge to attack. Trim one or two of them can be a huge bust for the team in the future.
Yeah, but you can do that after you land Smith as needed. Getting the higher end talent is always the hardest part.
I still think that Dons is right and the C's just don't match up with the Hawks as partners. But Danny should absolutely make sure he's still an available option, you never know if the Bucks/Suns get cold feet and Ferry caves for a lesser package.
I don't see him as high enough of an end. I see him more as a finishing touch.
If the Celtics can trade a package around Green, it makes sense.
If it takes Pierce (or Rondo), it does not make sense.
so who's high end then ?
I have in no particular order
Aldridge
Love
Dwight
Kyrie
Durant
Westbrook
Paul George
Harden
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Camerlo
Deron Williams
CP3
Griffin
I am sure there are more , but we aren't getting any of those players for our assets
Agreed.
That's why I want the Celtics to start building real assets. A usually the best assets are young and cheap. Teams with flexibility and a attractive player already in place.
The Celtics can be that with a healthy Rondo in the near future.
wdleehi I often agree with you but this time not at all!
The 2014-15 team will start with $52 million in contracts with out PP, so throw that year out and now we start in 2015 to rebuild?
Having a bunch of really good players makes it much easier to trade for an all-star, than having a bunch of crap.
If Danny follows your plan than IMO we will not have a contending team before 2020, this is the time now we can cut that time drastically.
Which is why I want to see the Celtics trim those other contracts. Those 3 to 4 year contracts of the role players. Get that flexibility sooner, not later.
Do not follow the Knick's plan post Ewing. You know where they traded him for Glen Rice's longer term max like deal because they were already over the cap.
Enjoy the KG/Pierce playoff team now. Work the rest of the team fit those two's leaving schedule.
Do not add overpriced long term "nice" players and think they are some future contender.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Now that's a trade I'd have to strongly consider , great shooter and rim protector , hmmmmm
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I'd strongly consider a Rondo for Smith trade, slightly no brainer to me, particularly if on the win now camp without sacrificing the future that much.
Whatever Smith is comanding contract wise, won't be bad if you plan on competing for the next few years anyways, and still over the cap. Then you'll have Smith, Green, Lee, and Sullinger on your roster with plenty of cap room... not that bad of a place to being the next facet of our journey, and by then Smith's contract won't be a long one.
That's assuming he signs with Boston when you've traded away the main reason he wanted to play here.
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How much longer do you expect PP to play (and play at a high level)? At this point in time is it really that much better to trade Green than Pierce?
Pierce at the end of his career is still better the Green.
Green is still a nice player that is making to much money on a team that has to do a major turnover in the near future.
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Other than the occasional game (usually it's only a quarter or 2), when Smith gets motivated, PP is still the better player. Picking up J. Smith takes us backwards!
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
Now.
But you have just committed to giving Smith the max deal. When KG leaves, the Celtics best player is Smith. Smith and Green. The Celtics are not even close the the Hawks level.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
Now.
But you have just committed to giving Smith the max deal. When KG leaves, the Celtics best player is Smith. Smith and Green. The Celtics are not even close the the Hawks level.
Yeah trading Rondo for Smith doesn't work, you get a worse player to build around in the end and we aren't favorites because of it.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
Now.
But you have just committed to giving Smith the max deal. When KG leaves, the Celtics best player is Smith. Smith and Green. The Celtics are not even close the the Hawks level.
He'll be in a 3 year deal by then with plenty of cap room, not that worried about it. That's assuming Ainge and him agree on a 5 year deal, I'd say chances are closer to a 4 year deal.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
Now.
But you have just committed to giving Smith the max deal. When KG leaves, the Celtics best player is Smith. Smith and Green. The Celtics are not even close the the Hawks level.
He'll be in a 3 year deal by then with plenty of cap room, not that worried about it. That's assuming Ainge and him agree on a 5 year deal, I'd say chances are closer to a 4 year deal.
It will be a Max deal. The Celtics just traded away Rondo to get him. That means the full length deal.
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How much longer do you expect PP to play (and play at a high level)? At this point in time is it really that much better to trade Green than Pierce?
Pierce at the end of his career is still better the Green.
Green is still a nice player that is making to much money on a team that has to do a major turnover in the near future.
PP is better now but I'm not sure how long that will last for. I'm also somewhat skeptical that just clearing cap space will land us a player better than Smith.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
Now.
But you have just committed to giving Smith the max deal. When KG leaves, the Celtics best player is Smith. Smith and Green. The Celtics are not even close the the Hawks level.
Yeah trading Rondo for Smith doesn't work, you get a worse player to build around in the end and we aren't favorites because of it.
I don't imagine a team will ever be "favorites" while LeBron is here, but KG paired up with Smith would be something very special defensively, and I personally think will be a huge addition to get past the Heat... particularly with pairing them up with Bradley and Lee.
Then you add a sharpshooter like Korver, that could be a huge weapon for us. And he's expiring deal, so you'd be pretty much guaranteed full mid level next year, if you don't plan on retaining him.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
Now.
But you have just committed to giving Smith the max deal. When KG leaves, the Celtics best player is Smith. Smith and Green. The Celtics are not even close the the Hawks level.
He'll be in a 3 year deal by then with plenty of cap room, not that worried about it. That's assuming Ainge and him agree on a 5 year deal, I'd say chances are closer to a 4 year deal.
It will be a Max deal. The Celtics just traded away Rondo to get him. That means the full length deal.
Huh? One thing doesn't go with the other.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
Now.
But you have just committed to giving Smith the max deal. When KG leaves, the Celtics best player is Smith. Smith and Green. The Celtics are not even close the the Hawks level.
He'll be in a 3 year deal by then with plenty of cap room, not that worried about it. That's assuming Ainge and him agree on a 5 year deal, I'd say chances are closer to a 4 year deal.
It will be a Max deal. The Celtics just traded away Rondo to get him. That means the full length deal.
Huh? One thing doesn't go with the other.
Yes it does.
The Celtics trade away Rondo who is considered one of the best if not best player on the Celtics.
Smith now has the leverage he needs because the Celtics can not let him walk away.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
Now.
But you have just committed to giving Smith the max deal. When KG leaves, the Celtics best player is Smith. Smith and Green. The Celtics are not even close the the Hawks level.
He'll be in a 3 year deal by then with plenty of cap room, not that worried about it. That's assuming Ainge and him agree on a 5 year deal, I'd say chances are closer to a 4 year deal.
It will be a Max deal. The Celtics just traded away Rondo to get him. That means the full length deal.
Huh? One thing doesn't go with the other.
Yes it does.
The Celtics trade away Rondo who is considered one of the best if not best player on the Celtics.
Smith now has the leverage he needs because the Celtics can not let him walk away.
Other than Smith's interest to compete for a championship, and what the market is willing to offer...
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You really think you can sell Josh Smith on not demanding a 5th year that it'd somehow help the C's compete for a title?
Rockets will offer max that they can (something around 4 years and 80 right?) So the C's would have to match that at least, and I wouldn't be shocked if he'd threaten to walk to play with Harden if he didn't get the fifth year.
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I'd do this on a heartbeat.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bjhu9do
Any move that makes Josh Smith the best player on the Celtics in the near future is bad.
Garnett is the best player. Enough said.
Now.
But you have just committed to giving Smith the max deal. When KG leaves, the Celtics best player is Smith. Smith and Green. The Celtics are not even close the the Hawks level.
He'll be in a 3 year deal by then with plenty of cap room, not that worried about it. That's assuming Ainge and him agree on a 5 year deal, I'd say chances are closer to a 4 year deal.
It will be a Max deal. The Celtics just traded away Rondo to get him. That means the full length deal.
Huh? One thing doesn't go with the other.
Yes it does.
The Celtics trade away Rondo who is considered one of the best if not best player on the Celtics.
Smith now has the leverage he needs because the Celtics can not let him walk away.
Other than Smith's interest to compete for a championship, and what the market is willing to offer...
There are plenty of foolish GMs out there that will offer him their version of a 4 year max deal.
This is Smith's big pay day.
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@KBergCBS: The Rockets, flush with assets, are involved at "high level" in Josh Smith talks, league source says.
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You really think you can sell Josh Smith on not demanding a 5th year that it'd somehow help the C's compete for a title?
No, I say that no one in the league can offer him a 5th year, so Smith should/could agree to stay in Boston if he sees the team being highly competitive while Garnett remains.
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Rockets will offer max that they can (something around 4 years and 80 right?) So the C's would have to match that at least, and I wouldn't be shocked if he'd threaten to walk to play with Harden if he didn't get the fifth year.
So you match, but remember Celtics can offer higher raises than them per year. I'm not saying that a fifth year isn't a possibility, but to think that a deal for a 4 year contract is impossible as is being insinuated is simply an inaccurate assessment of the situation, particularly by the apparent aversion from a lot of teams of committing to a max deal for Smith.
Houston indeed is the most worrying, and actually Atlanta themselves could be worrying if they get Rondo... not sure if they'd want Smith back though.
The most likely scenario in my opinion is that Ainge makes a trade if a negotiation for an extension takes place alongside it.
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You really think you can sell Josh Smith on not demanding a 5th year that it'd somehow help the C's compete for a title?
No, I say that no one in the league can offer him a 5th year, so Smith should/could agree to stay in Boston if he sees the team being highly competitive while Garnett remains.
Other teams can offer him more youth, a similar four year deal, and lesser state taxes. (Houston for example)
5th year is what would allow Boston to keep him, especially with no Rondo.
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@KBergCBS: The Rockets, flush with assets, are involved at "high level" in Josh Smith talks, league source says.
Ugh. I hate-love Daryl Morey.
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Rockets will offer max that they can (something around 4 years and 80 right?) So the C's would have to match that at least, and I wouldn't be shocked if he'd threaten to walk to play with Harden if he didn't get the fifth year.
So you match, but remember Celtics can offer higher raises than them per year. I'm not saying that a fifth year isn't a possibility, but to think that a deal for a 4 year contract is impossible as is being insinuated is simply an inaccurate assessment of the situation, particularly by the apparent aversion from a lot of teams of committing to a max deal for Smith.
Houston indeed is the most worrying, and actually Atlanta themselves could be worrying if they get Rondo... not sure if they'd want Smith back though.
The most likely scenario in my opinion is that Ainge makes a trade if a negotiation for an extension takes place before we even get to free-agency.
Can't extend, extensions will mean less money for Smith and handshake deals and negotiations are not only against the CBA but hurt the players leverage so not a single player has agreed to one so far.
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@KBergCBS: The Rockets, flush with assets, are involved at "high level" in Josh Smith talks, league source says.
Ugh. I hate-love Daryl Morey.
Of course they are, they also will be one of his top suitors this offseason. It will be interesting to see if they give up a lot for him when they have cap space to get him as a FA.
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Rockets will offer max that they can (something around 4 years and 80 right?) So the C's would have to match that at least, and I wouldn't be shocked if he'd threaten to walk to play with Harden if he didn't get the fifth year.
So you match, but remember Celtics can offer higher raises than them per year. I'm not saying that a fifth year isn't a possibility, but to think that a deal for a 4 year contract is impossible as is being insinuated is simply an inaccurate assessment of the situation, particularly by the apparent aversion from a lot of teams of committing to a max deal for Smith.
Houston indeed is the most worrying, and actually Atlanta themselves could be worrying if they get Rondo... not sure if they'd want Smith back though.
The most likely scenario in my opinion is that Ainge makes a trade if a negotiation for an extension takes place alongside it.
You'd have to wonder whether he'd want to sign long term on a team who's best players are 36 and 37 if he has the chance to play with younger stars.
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You really think you can sell Josh Smith on not demanding a 5th year that it'd somehow help the C's compete for a title?
No, I say that no one in the league can offer him a 5th year, so Smith should/could agree to stay in Boston if he sees the team being highly competitive while Garnett remains.
Other teams can offer him more youth, a similar four year deal, and lesser state taxes. (Houston for example)
5th year is what would allow Boston to keep him, especially with no Rondo.
That may very well be the ending conclusion, but I don't see why you guys think some sort of accord for a 4 year deal is so far fetch that this need to be argued.
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I say that Danny Ferry was a bs player and now he's a big bs GM. He's looking for something in return for Smith, that's he's never gonna get. Just like ORL with DH...
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I say that Danny Ferry was a bs player and now he's a big bs GM. He's looking for something in return for Smith, that's he's never gonna get. Just like ORL with DH...
Orlando did get a return for Howard, as opposed to letting him cause a circus this year and walk this summer with nothin in return
They got Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Maurice Harkless, promising center Nikola Vucevic, three first round picks and two seconds.
If the Hawks could get half that from another team, they'd be doing cartwheels.
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Looks like Milwaukee will get Smith according to Woj
Edit: He is now reporting Phoenix is making a push and we are a dark horse for him. :D
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@KBergCBS: The Rockets, flush with assets, are involved at "high level" in Josh Smith talks, league source says.
Ugh. I hate-love Daryl Morey.
Of course they are, they also will be one of his top suitors this offseason. It will be interesting to see if they give up a lot for him when they have cap space to get him as a FA.
Plus he is a 4...we all know how much he loves PF's
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I wonder if Thomas Robinson is Atlanta bound.
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I wonder if Thomas Robinson is Atlanta bound.
He can't be flipped until all paperwork is in and all physicals taken, etc. He also can't be in any other trades besides one for one player swaps, so he can't be flipped with others for Josh Smith.