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Title: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Jack_Frost on February 21, 2013, 03:42:34 AM
From this spanish website:

http://www.basket4us.com/blog/2013/02/20/boston-celtics-pregunta-por-ramon-sessions-72362.html

I like Sessions, could be a nice starter this year and a very good backup for Rondo next year.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: SparzWizard on February 21, 2013, 03:51:18 AM
Well, at least I do believe this more than whatever Blakely or Broussard reports.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 05:21:09 AM
I like Sessions. I think he would be a very good low priced replacement for Rondo for the rest of the season. I would happy to pursue him.

I think Sessions is probably too expensive to keep as a backup to Rondo long term because I don't think they'd be able to function alongside one another. Both are too limited as jump-shooters and need the ball in their hands to make use of their playmaking skills. So, if acquired, I think Danny would need to trade Sessions again in the summer to somebody else and find a cheaper alternative.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 21, 2013, 06:36:07 AM
Band-aid fix, really.  I do not like it at all.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Fafnir on February 21, 2013, 06:38:23 AM
Band-aid fix, really.  I do not like it at all.
I'm okay with Band-aids as long as we only give up a tiny amount.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 21, 2013, 06:49:32 AM
I'd think that if there's a move for Sessions it's because Ainge has a subsequent move planned where he can flip say Lee or Terry in another deal to land a bigger fish. Else, going after guys like Session make little sense to me.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: ssspence on February 21, 2013, 07:24:00 AM
I'd be OK with acquiring Sessions, as long as it's with additional assets and the return is Green. Cs can't trade Lee or Terry right now IMO, and can't trade Bass unless they get a big back a veteran big in return.

Something like:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=andhrzf
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Fafnir on February 21, 2013, 07:28:56 AM
I'd be OK with acquiring Sessions, as long as it's with additional assets and the return is Green. Cs can't trade Lee or Terry right now IMO, and can't trade Bass unless they get a big back a veteran big in return.

Something like:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=andhrzf
We only have 2 SFs and we have 3 SGs.

Why do you think we can trade one of our SFs more than our SGs? Especially when Green ends up playing a lot of SG/PF anyways just to get him on the court.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: scaryjerry on February 21, 2013, 07:49:56 AM
Sessions flat out stinks
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: rickyfan3.0... on February 21, 2013, 07:53:14 AM
Sessions is a really good player. I'd take him in a second. He needs somewhere to fit in...
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 21, 2013, 08:10:06 AM
I'd be OK with acquiring Sessions, as long as it's with additional assets and the return is Green. Cs can't trade Lee or Terry right now IMO, and can't trade Bass unless they get a big back a veteran big in return.

Something like:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=andhrzf

What? Why would we trade Green for Session and other Bobcats terrible parts?

If we can get Sessions for like a second round pick im perfectly fine with that. But offer Green? Crazy talk.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Kane3387 on February 21, 2013, 09:25:32 AM
I'd be OK with acquiring Sessions, as long as it's with additional assets and the return is Green. Cs can't trade Lee or Terry right now IMO, and can't trade Bass unless they get a big back a veteran big in return.

Something like:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=andhrzf

What? Why would we trade Green for Session and other Bobcats terrible parts?

If we can get Sessions for like a second round pick im perfectly fine with that. But offer Green? Crazy talk.

Yeah I am only moving Green for Smith at this point.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: ssspence on February 21, 2013, 09:25:49 AM
I'd be OK with acquiring Sessions, as long as it's with additional assets and the return is Green. Cs can't trade Lee or Terry right now IMO, and can't trade Bass unless they get a big back a veteran big in return.

Something like:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=andhrzf
We only have 2 SFs and we have 3 SGs.

Why do you think we can trade one of our SFs more than our SGs? Especially when Green ends up playing a lot of SG/PF anyways just to get him on the court.

Minutes and depth, basically. On the one hand, I don't see trading a backcourt player for another one, considering we only have 3 guards to begin with. Moving to SF, assuming we all believe this team will make the playoffs, Pierce is going to play 35-40 minutes a game -- Taylor (and Biyombo) could soak up the remaining 10. And my feeling on Green is if he's forced to play major minutes at PF in the 2013 playoffs (or ever, really), this team is 100% doomed.

Anyway, this is mainly just a vehicle / excuse to get Biyombo -- who I believe could be a sneaky good LeBron defender, at the very least in spurts. As I've said before, I think Charlotte is absolutely clueless on how to use the guy. He could really blossom in green.

I think Sessions is generally underrated, but it's hard to make sense of how the Cs would acquire him given their existing depth chart and contracts. Again, trading Lee or Terry for sessions straight up is pointless. I suppose you could send Lee with Melo for Sessions and Henderson, but that doesn't feel like a substantial upgrade.

Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Fafnir on February 21, 2013, 09:28:46 AM
1. We need a backup for PP, a better one than Taylor.

2. Jeff Green has shown solid ability to defend SGs lately

3. Miami and plenty of other teams go small frequently, we need an option to match that.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: ssspence on February 21, 2013, 09:32:16 AM
1. We need a backup for PP, a better one than Taylor.

2. Jeff Green has shown solid ability to defend SGs lately

3. Miami and plenty of other teams go small frequently, we need an option to match that.

OK fair enough. But can we agree it does make sense to trade on of our existing guards for Sessions straight-up? It'd need to be a 2-for-1 with Henderson coming back for Lee, or the like.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Fafnir on February 21, 2013, 09:37:00 AM
1. We need a backup for PP, a better one than Taylor.

2. Jeff Green has shown solid ability to defend SGs lately

3. Miami and plenty of other teams go small frequently, we need an option to match that.

OK fair enough. But can we agree it does make sense to trade on of our existing guards for Sessions straight-up? It'd need to be a 2-for-1 with Henderson coming back for Lee, or the like.
We're so thin that we need additional bodies one way or the other. A 2 for 1 would be ideal yes but given that we're going to be picking up someone no matter what I don't view it as a necessity. Sesssions is good enough to take a big role from any of our guards as the point.

I do think that we shouldn't move Lee unless we get another rotation caliber guard with some size. (Lee isn't big but he's the biggest we've got at the moment)
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Chris on February 21, 2013, 09:37:05 AM
I like Sessions a lot really.  I think he is a good fit.  He is not great at any one thing, but he can do everything well.  And he is a bigger PG, which makes him fit well next to guys like Terry and Bradley.

I actually think Sessions for Lee would be an intriguing swap.  I think they are pretty equal value, but bring different things to the table.  And with Charlotte not interested in paying Henderson next year, they have a need for a SG, moreso than the C's who have Bradley and Terry. 

Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: ssspence on February 21, 2013, 09:48:39 AM
I like Sessions a lot really.  I think he is a good fit.  He is not great at any one thing, but he can do everything well.  And he is a bigger PG, which makes him fit well next to guys like Terry and Bradley.

I actually think Sessions for Lee would be an intriguing swap.  I think they are pretty equal value, but bring different things to the table.  And with Charlotte not interested in paying Henderson next year, they have a need for a SG, moreso than the C's who have Bradley and Terry.

Right. I think the 2 for 1.5 could make some sense -- Lee and Melo for Sessions and Henderson.

I still want my binkie Biyombo but will have to get over it.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Chris on February 21, 2013, 09:52:05 AM
I like Sessions a lot really.  I think he is a good fit.  He is not great at any one thing, but he can do everything well.  And he is a bigger PG, which makes him fit well next to guys like Terry and Bradley.

I actually think Sessions for Lee would be an intriguing swap.  I think they are pretty equal value, but bring different things to the table.  And with Charlotte not interested in paying Henderson next year, they have a need for a SG, moreso than the C's who have Bradley and Terry.

Right. I think the 2 for 1.5 could make some sense -- Lee and Melo for Sessions and Henderson.

I still want my binkie Biyombo but will have to get over it.

Sessions is (perhaps) a better player than Lee though (or at least even), and Henderson is much better than Melo.
 
I think we would be lucky to get Sessions for Lee straight up. 
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: ssspence on February 21, 2013, 09:56:31 AM
I like Sessions a lot really.  I think he is a good fit.  He is not great at any one thing, but he can do everything well.  And he is a bigger PG, which makes him fit well next to guys like Terry and Bradley.

I actually think Sessions for Lee would be an intriguing swap.  I think they are pretty equal value, but bring different things to the table.  And with Charlotte not interested in paying Henderson next year, they have a need for a SG, moreso than the C's who have Bradley and Terry.

Right. I think the 2 for 1.5 could make some sense -- Lee and Melo for Sessions and Henderson.

I still want my binkie Biyombo but will have to get over it.

Sessions is (perhaps) a better player than Lee though (or at least even), and Henderson is much better than Melo.
 
I think we would be lucky to get Sessions for Lee straight up.

Henderson is a FA this summer, which brings his value down a bit. And Charlotte could sure use some young bigs.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Chris on February 21, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
I like Sessions a lot really.  I think he is a good fit.  He is not great at any one thing, but he can do everything well.  And he is a bigger PG, which makes him fit well next to guys like Terry and Bradley.

I actually think Sessions for Lee would be an intriguing swap.  I think they are pretty equal value, but bring different things to the table.  And with Charlotte not interested in paying Henderson next year, they have a need for a SG, moreso than the C's who have Bradley and Terry.

Right. I think the 2 for 1.5 could make some sense -- Lee and Melo for Sessions and Henderson.

I still want my binkie Biyombo but will have to get over it.

Sessions is (perhaps) a better player than Lee though (or at least even), and Henderson is much better than Melo.
 
I think we would be lucky to get Sessions for Lee straight up.

Henderson is a FA this summer, which brings his value down a bit. And Charlotte could sure use some young bigs.

Charlotte has two young bigs who are much better prospects than Melo.  Biyombo and Mullens.  At this point, they would be looking for veteran bigs to help those guys grow, not more projects to add to them. 
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: PhoSita on February 21, 2013, 09:59:55 AM
Meh.  Sessions doesn't do enough to make us significantly more competitive this season, and he's not an asset for the future.  He's a league journeyman.  Ideal backup PG, but that's about it.


I would be irritated to see the team give up any real assets for a player like that.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: scaryjerry on February 21, 2013, 10:07:44 AM
I like Sessions a lot really.  I think he is a good fit.  He is not great at any one thing, but he can do everything well.  And he is a bigger PG, which makes him fit well next to guys like Terry and Bradley.

I actually think Sessions for Lee would be an intriguing swap.  I think they are pretty equal value, but bring different things to the table.  And with Charlotte not interested in paying Henderson next year, they have a need for a SG, moreso than the C's who have Bradley and Terry.

Fair point.....I dont think sessions is as good as Lee, but he could be a better fit, doubt it though considering our defense would be considerably worse.

I stand by the opinion he stinks and belongs on the Bobcats - not the celtics. Did you see how he performed with the Lakers? lol
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: TA9 on February 21, 2013, 10:15:45 AM
He would be a good back up PG behind Rondo (Once he returns), but he is way overpaid as he got signed to a 2-year 10 million deal. No Thanks.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Chris on February 21, 2013, 10:47:38 AM
He would be a good back up PG behind Rondo (Once he returns), but he is way overpaid as he got signed to a 2-year 10 million deal. No Thanks.

That's not overpaid for a quality backup.  That's what it costs. 
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: colincb on February 21, 2013, 11:18:40 AM
Just for the record, we're offering Melo for Sessions.  We're also offering Melo for Jordan Crawford:

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/2/21/4013160/nba-trade-rumors-2013-jordan-crawford-boston-celtics-fab-melo

Perhaps as bidding fever tramps up for Melo, we can also get some first round picks for him...3:01PM EST can't come quick enough.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: Edgar on February 21, 2013, 11:24:47 AM
I still want delonte
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: snively on February 21, 2013, 11:28:39 AM
We need a big man before we need a 4th guard. If we're going to make a win-now move, I want a big man.
Title: Re: (Rumor) Celtics after Ramon Sessions
Post by: colincb on February 21, 2013, 11:36:55 AM
I still want delonte
I'm pro Delonte too, but it seems that he must be so far gone that nobody seemingly wants him on their team.  Too bad, because he played well enough on the court to be a borderline starter/solid rotation player and we could certainly use him.