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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Spicoli on February 21, 2013, 12:56:39 AM
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This is not a thread to bash him, but i'm just giving some observations. He seems clumsy. He can't dribble (often loses the ball off of his own foot), and he can't make layups. He's one of the few guys in this league who misses fast break layups against lone defenders. I like the difference that he's made on defense, and i like the occasional pull up jumper that he makes sometimes, but he has very little potential IMO. He just doesn't have any offensive skill to speak of. Guys who cannot dribble in this league will not last long as full time starters. Do you guys consider Avery Bradley to be a talented player? I'm just not seeing it with him. He strikes me as a defending, hustle player, nothing more.
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Yeah it's weird because he was a really solid finisher last year. To me though, any offensive game from him is a plus, he's an impact defensive player.
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He's a defensive role player ... He had a crazy shooting streak for a month last season. It was bradleysanity... Fools gold. He's not a shooting guard and not a good point guard but his defense at the pg position is an asset
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This is not a thread to bash him, but i'm just giving some observations. He seems clumsy. He can't dribble (often loses the ball off of his own foot), and he can't make layups. He's one of the few guys in this league who misses fast break layups against lone defenders. I like the difference that he's made on defense, and i like the occasional pull up jumper that he makes sometimes, but he has very little potential IMO. He just doesn't have any offensive skill to speak of. Guys who cannot dribble in this league will not last long as full time starters. Do you guys consider Avery Bradley to be a talented player? I'm just not seeing it with him. He strikes me as a defending, hustle player, nothing more.
Avery is a victim of too high expectations. He is, and always will be, a role player.
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I kept calling him an undersized poor mans tony Allen without the mental lapses... and got buried for it by the "savior" fanboys
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Shoots too much
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All he needs to do is hit the open corner 3.
he is having a hard time with it this season.
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I kept calling him an undersized poor mans tony Allen without the mental lapses... and got buried for it by the "savior" fanboys
The strange thing is, he has a better form on his jump shot than Allen does, but he still can't make them with regularity. He doesn't play offense with any fluidity. He plays out of control. The C's need to think about finding another shooting guard and move Bradley to the bench where he belongs.
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Kid has barely played a full seasons worth of ball. He came into the league with a limited offensive game. Didn't play at all as a rookie. Didn't have a training camp as a rookie because of injury. Didn't have a real training camp last year because of the lockout. And did t have a training camp this year because of shoulder surgery.
Kid has had almost no time to develop his offsenive game, which was glorified last year because of rondo's passing abilities, and him playing as a cutter, and thriving off the ball.
Give him a couple years, the kids 22, and already an elite defender with some skills to work with. Let him develop.
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Kid has barely played a full seasons worth of ball. He came into the league with a limited offensive game. Didn't play at all as a rookie. Didn't have a training camp as a rookie because of injury. Didn't have a real training camp last year because of the lockout. And did t have a training camp this year because of shoulder surgery.
Kid has had almost no time to develop his offsenive game, which was glorified last year because of rondo's passing abilities, and him playing as a cutter, and thriving off the ball.
Give him a couple years, the kids 22, and already an elite defender with some skills to work with. Let him develop.
exactly, way to young and limited on experience to judge him. you do not want to give up on this guy. he's 22!
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Yeah, I'm starting to revise my opinions about his offensive abilities downward.
I still think his upside on that end is around where Courtney Lee is now.
But I'm not super confident he'll even get there.
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what bradley is really missing is point guard
since rondo is here healthy
he dished the ball to avery most of the time
not that we have no pg
time to get someone like d-west and put back avery to SG
you will see the diffirence
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I kept calling him an undersized poor mans tony Allen without the mental lapses... and got buried for it by the "savior" fanboys
I wouldn't say poor man's...he is widely regarded all around the NBA as one of the best perimeter defenders in the game. I think Tony Allen is better, but not by much.
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HUGELY overrated.
He'll be a nice back-up to Rondo, nothing more.
Too small, can't dribble, offense not so good. He'll be a nice defensive rotation player, beyond that not much..
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This seems knee-jerk. He has been playing well and is still getting in shape after double shoulder surgery. He couldn't play for months, and at this rate, he is developing exponentially faster than when he first started getting playing time.
The problem here isn't that he isn't talented - it's that he isn't a point guard. I agree, he often looks clumsy/confused with the responsibility of dishing the rock.
Avery Bradley plays best at the 2 guard. No one asked for Rondo to tear his ACL...
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Bradley should not be judged as a PG because he isn't one. He struggled in his first season because Doc tried to play him as the backup PG and that simply isn't his strength. He excels playing off the ball and is great at cutting to the basket and is a VERY underrated perimeter shooter.
He is only 22 years old and improving every year. He is already an elite on-ball defender (you could make the argument that he is the best on-ball defender in the league).
Bradley is a crappy PG but if he plays his natural position at the 2, he COULD become an elite SG in the next 3-5 years.
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Avery Bradley has shown flashes of being a very good basketball player. Playing hurt late last season has really hampered his development this season as it cost him the off-season and a good chunk of this season to develop his handle and learn the point guard position.
I think he is best suited to be a combo guard and used strategically to disrupt the opposition. I would like to see the Celtics of the future with a very strong three guard rotation of Rondo, AB, scoring 2 maybe Lee but maybe a more gifted offensive player. AB not a point yet but he works very hard and I think he will develop there in the future. I expect a big improvement in his handle over the next two years.
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It's my opinion that guys who come into the league with natural talent, eventually develop their offensive game. LeBron as a rookie was as raw as could possibly be, and couldn't make a jump shot to save his life, but he could dribble and he could get to the rim and finish. Bradley cannot do either of those things. Isn't that something that a guy either has, or doesn't have? How can Bradley all of a sudden teach himself how to dribble a basketball or teach himself how to layup the ball if he hasn't done so by now? I think his upside is very limited.
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whatever he does or doesn't do, the team dies without him. He inspires players with effort and believe me this bunch needs inspiration.
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The biggest differences in AB's offense this year is that he's not getting wide open looks around the rim, and isn't stroking the threeball as well. He went from finishing at a respectable 64% at the rim last year to a dreadful 45% this season.
As an initiator of offense, he's very bad - as in not NBA rotation-worthy bad. he can't get his own shot, and he can't create for others. He's a NBA version of a dining room sideboard - he isn't the meal, and can't set the table. If you need someone to dribble the ball over half court and pass it to someone else and stand in the corner, AB is your man.
I think he will come around, but watching him masquerade as a PG the rest of the season is going to be painful. I'm just hoping his failure as a PG isn't going to affect his defense. He got eviscerated by Ty Lawson on Monday and allowed ancient Steve Nash (6 for 7) to conduct a pre-game shootaround in the actual game last night.
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What does it say about Courtney lee and his ball handling skills that doc has asked a guy who is clumsy to man more of that role?
How many bunnies does lee miss? Like both guys but they're basically the same player
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It's funny, last night I noticed something strange about Bradley. He breaks in a left/right/up/down pattern, kind of like the controlpad on the old nintendo controllers, compared to the all around movement that a "analog" stick can do. :)
That may be why he's good at defense and bad at offense.
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I know most fans are casual who live in the ESPN world of scoring 30 points in a vacuum, is the only way to be good but Bradley just went through double shoulder surgery and clearly isn't 100%. His defense has been no where near where it was last season before he dislocated his first shoulder, so it's not just last season was a fluke offensively.
Bradley still hasn't had a single NBA offseason to train. Last year he showed he can hit a pull up midrange jumper, the corner 3 and finish at the rim over an extended period of time. Those things didn't just suddenly disappear.
Combine the DOUBLE surgeries, his lack of offseason and his shooting funk, it's been rough for him, but people acting like he doesn't have crazy upside because he isn't scoring 20 a night now are idiots. It's just like Green who has done a good job guarding Kobe, Durant, and Lebron.
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I kept calling him an undersized poor mans tony Allen without the mental lapses... and got buried for it by the "savior" fanboys
You got buried because they are completely different aside from their effort on defense.
Bradley is a superior ball handler
Bradley is a superior shooter
Bradley is younger
Bradley has more upside
Both are great defensive guards and that's about where the similarities end. That's like saying prime Wade and Bradley are pretty much the same player. Just complete nonsense.
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In the second half of the year I would like to see more agression for Bradley on the offensive end. Last year he started scoring more in the second half of the year, hopefully it is the same this year.
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Wow. I'm really surprised at most of the opinions on this thread. I love AB as a player. I think he is good enough that he will be an all star someday.
We all know about his defense, I won't even go into it except to say that he is very, very good defensively. Offensively, he can get his own shot. He is one of the few young guys that is comfortable shooting off the dribble. His jump shot is much better than it appears right now, imo. He is not going to be a great 3 point shooter, but his mid range game has the chance to be very good in time. Right now he does not finish well, but that is CERTAIN to improve in time. He is a poor passer, but he moves very well without the ball. I can see him scoring 15-18 ppg, efficiently, in time. Upside might even be higher.
The thing with AB is that he is most certainly NOT a point guard. He is a 2, albeit an undersized one. I don't think a backcourt of AB and Rondo works in the longterm as a result. As Tommy says, if you are going to be that small, you have to play up tempo basketball- which right now we don't have the personnel to do except in spurts. Besides, I'm not convinced AB will ever be a great fastbreak player, it's just not his game. Bottom line is that I don't think he really fits with this team as it is currently constituted, but I still love him as a player.
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I kept calling him an undersized poor mans tony Allen without the mental lapses... and got buried for it by the "savior" fanboys
You got buried because they are completely different aside from their effort on defense.
Bradley is a superior ball handler
Bradley is a superior shooter
Bradley is younger
Bradley has more upside
Both are great defensive guards and that's about where the similarities end. That's like saying prime Wade and Bradley are pretty much the same player. Just complete nonsense.
Bradley has one of the worst handles in the league IMO. He is about as good with the dribble as Eddie House was. I also disagree about him having any upside. If he does have upside, it certainly isn't on the offensive end.
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The whole "savior of the team" thing was nonsense (although I'm sure my avatar will do little to convince others that I wasn't one of them). That aside, he clearly helps our team and is a solid NBA player despite his deficiencies. He's a high-energy, gritty, defense first type of player that every NBA coach wants on their squad.
He's only 22 and hasn't even had a full training camp yet. You could see when he came back this year that he had no rhythm on his jump shot, and he still doesn't. I doubt he'll ever be good at running a team, but give him some healthy offseasons and training camps I am very confident that he will develop into a deadly perimeter shooter.
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this guy is sooo overrated
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This is not a thread to bash him, but i'm just giving some observations. He seems clumsy. He can't dribble (often loses the ball off of his own foot), and he can't make layups. He's one of the few guys in this league who misses fast break layups against lone defenders. I like the difference that he's made on defense, and i like the occasional pull up jumper that he makes sometimes, but he has very little potential IMO. He just doesn't have any offensive skill to speak of. Guys who cannot dribble in this league will not last long as full time starters. Do you guys consider Avery Bradley to be a talented player? I'm just not seeing it with him. He strikes me as a defending, hustle player, nothing more.
To be fair, a lot of guys on this team miss layups (Lee, Pierce, Bradley), and Bass has missed several dunks.
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I kept calling him an undersized poor mans tony Allen without the mental lapses... and got buried for it by the "savior" fanboys
Spot on.
He's a really nice rotation player and probably best suited as the first guard off the bench, wrecking havoc on defense at the 1 or the 2.
He is not starter quality against 1s or 2s if you are building a team from scratch.
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During the Bradley-sanity month or so last year I got caught up in the up tick in his confidence on offense. He was taking and hitting 3s without hesitation and getting tons of back door plays.
I thought he could be a poor man's Joe Dumars. Emphasis on poor. Joe's scoring, passing and handle were very good, and he could fill in at the point no problem. I don't know what his ceiling really is anymore. He's young. Within a year or 2 we'll know what we have. Guards often are who they are after 3-4 seasons.
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Bradley should not be judged as a PG because he isn't one. He struggled in his first season because Doc tried to play him as the backup PG and that simply isn't his strength. He excels playing off the ball and is great at cutting to the basket and is a VERY underrated perimeter shooter.
He is only 22 years old and improving every year. He is already an elite on-ball defender (you could make the argument that he is the best on-ball defender in the league).
Bradley is a crappy PG but if he plays his natural position at the 2, he COULD become an elite SG in the next 3-5 years.
I didn't realize one could underrate Bradley's 29.7% 3pt% for the season.
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This is not a thread to bash him, but i'm just giving some observations. He seems clumsy. He can't dribble (often loses the ball off of his own foot), and he can't make layups. He's one of the few guys in this league who misses fast break layups against lone defenders. I like the difference that he's made on defense, and i like the occasional pull up jumper that he makes sometimes, but he has very little potential IMO. He just doesn't have any offensive skill to speak of. Guys who cannot dribble in this league will not last long as full time starters. Do you guys consider Avery Bradley to be a talented player? I'm just not seeing it with him. He strikes me as a defending, hustle player, nothing more.
To be fair, a lot of guys on this team miss layups (Lee, Pierce, Bradley), and Bass has missed several dunks.
Mot even in the same ballpark.
Pierce is shooting 54% on layups.
Lee is shooting 60% on layups.
Bradley is shooting a paltry 44%.
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Coming off of double shoulder surgery has got to be tough, and I know we acknowledge him still finding his stride. My issue with AB at this point is still on the mental side (offensively speaking). In last night's game, I don't recall him going hard at Steve Nash at all, and maybe only once going at Ty Lawson the night before in Denver.
The easiest offensive rebound occurs on a drive where the help defender has to rotate over. AB is athletically gifted, and whether or not he converts at the same rate has Pierce or Lee (who by the way is spectacular around the rim), he has to remain in attack mode when he has the advantage. It can lead to fouls, shots at the rim, and 2nd chance opportunities, or even easy baskets for other C's. Steve Nash often drives to the basket with no intention of shooting, just waiting on the defense to drop down and then he finds the cutter. I'm not saying that AB is capable of that on Nash's level, just saying what Tommy says..."take it to the basket" good things will happen.
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To be fair, a lot of guys on this team miss layups (Lee, Pierce, Bradley), and Bass has missed several dunks.
Bradley and Terry are among the 15 players with 3 or more dunk attempts who are under 70%. (Both are 2-3). Kendrick Perkins (18-26) has the most dunk attempts by a player under 70%. Most overall missed dunks are DeAndre Jordan (16), Javale McGee (15), and Rudy Gay (13). Bass is listed at 31-36 on dunks.
There are only 11 players this season with 25 or more layup attempts who are shooting at least 70% on layups, so that shot is less automatic than some people may think.
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Bradley got schooled last night; but to be fair he has shown glimpses. Just seemed way to passive. Is telling that we just picked up two guards who could easily replace both Lee and Bradley. Crawford is a little bigger and a proven scorer. T-Will is a solid defender can drive the lane and is an excellent passer.
Terry, Barbosa and Bradley were all too similar and none work particularly well with Rondo. Would love to see if Crawford can play PG, but his assit to turnover is like 1.45
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I kept calling him an undersized poor mans tony Allen without the mental lapses... and got buried for it by the "savior" fanboys
You got buried because they are completely different aside from their effort on defense.
Bradley is a superior ball handler
Bradley is a superior shooter
Bradley is younger
Bradley has more upside
Both are great defensive guards and that's about where the similarities end. That's like saying prime Wade and Bradley are pretty much the same player. Just complete nonsense.
Bradley has one of the worst handles in the league IMO. He is about as good with the dribble as Eddie House was. I also disagree about him having any upside. If he does have upside, it certainly isn't on the offensive end.
I didn't say he had great handles. I said they were certainly better than Tony's.
You don't see the upside in a 22 year old SG who already plays the best perimeter defense in the NBA, has shown he can hit threes over an extended period of time, has shown to have a great off the ball game, has shown he can hit a pull up jumper, and has shown he can blow by anyone coming off a pick.
Sorry, but Bradley is at best the 5th option every night. He is not going to have monster scoring games. We saw last year when given opportunities (and healthy) he can score at a consistent rate. He'll never been Dwayne Wade as a scorer, but scoring 20 PPG is most definitely in his potential.
Right now Bradley is likely still getting back in game shape and I'm pretty sure has some sort of injury because his defense has regressed lately. Bradley has as much upside as Jeff Green.
I know everyone wants to be a prisoner of the moment and ESPN runs their life because they don't actually watch the games, just listen to what the "analysts" say, but Bradley has a ton of upside and is already an elite defender. If you really can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
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I know everyone wants to be a prisoner of the moment and ESPN runs their life because they don't actually watch the games, just listen to what the "analysts" say, but Bradley has a ton of upside and is already an elite defender. If you really can't see that I don't know what to tell you.
If you are trying to describe many posters on this blog, you are way off. People come to different opinion of players all the time.
I'd say a balanced view of AB is this: Top of the league defender at his position, despite being undersized. Potential to be a solid offensive player, as he displayed last year in a small sample size, but probably not going to be able to create his own offense. Not much of a play maker, and probably never will be.
Because he's so young, and hasn't even been to one NBA training camp, and because he's a hard worker with a lot of determination, I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a better than average offensive player. I don't ever see him as a starting quality PG.
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I think we're relying too much on Avery to do so many things as we do Rondo. When this happens his offensive game will surely take a hit. I think what's going to put an end to Avery's overkill is definitely the acquisition of Jordan Crawford. He's a 2 position player just like Bradley more offensively polished but defensively tragic. Pick your poison....
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Some might want to go back and look at the Draft Express writeups on Bradley. His strengths and weaknesses noted then are pretty much the same we've seen from him. Elite defender, decent mid-range shot, weak finisher, weak long range shooter, not a playmaker etc.
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Some might want to go back and look at the Draft Express writeups on Bradley. His strengths and weaknesses noted then are pretty much the same we've seen from him. Elite defender, decent mid-range shot, weak finisher, weak long range shooter, not a playmaker etc.
Sounds spot on to me. I doesn't say anywhere "franchise savior". Where are all the people who thought he was the key to turning our season around? Yep, an undersized SG with limited offensive skills was going to save us ::)
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Some might want to go back and look at the Draft Express writeups on Bradley. His strengths and weaknesses noted then are pretty much the same we've seen from him. Elite defender, decent mid-range shot, weak finisher, weak long range shooter, not a playmaker etc.
Sounds spot on to me. I doesn't say anywhere "franchise savior". Where are all the people who thought he was the key to turning our season around? Yep, an undersized SG with limited offensive skills was going to save us ::)
I've probably been harder on Bradley than anyone on this forum... but I actually like what he brings as a defensive point guard. This league is littered with scoring point guards... he fits well there as long as we are running the ball through a scorer like Pierce.
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Some might want to go back and look at the Draft Express writeups on Bradley. His strengths and weaknesses noted then are pretty much the same we've seen from him. Elite defender, decent mid-range shot, weak finisher, weak long range shooter, not a playmaker etc.
Sounds spot on to me. I doesn't say anywhere "franchise savior". Where are all the people who thought he was the key to turning our season around? Yep, an undersized SG with limited offensive skills was going to save us ::)
Have you not watched the Celtics the past few weeks? Even without Rondo and going through a gauntlet of really good teams, they went on a winning streak.
The problem with the team was dribble penetration and perimeter defense and guess what Bradleys best talents are? Stopping dribble penetration and perimeter defense.
If you really haven't seen the difference in the team, I don't know what to tell you. They're allowing something ridiculous like 10 less points per 100 possessions since Bradley returned. That's the equivalent of going from worst in the league to best in the league. Granted part of that was also Rondos fault and Green/Terry/Barbosa/Lee finally catching on, but to act like Bradley hasn't made a massive impact is quite frankly, beyond stupid.
Please try watching some games before commenting in the future.
Some might want to go back and look at the Draft Express writeups on Bradley. His strengths and weaknesses noted then are pretty much the same we've seen from him. Elite defender, decent mid-range shot, weak finisher, weak long range shooter, not a playmaker etc.
Except this is not the case at all. Last year when he was healthy he was a great, not good, great, finisher around the rim. He also showed that if you give him a pick he can blow by anyone. Remember the Hawks game? He and Bass almost beat the playoff team Hawks without any of the Big 3 playing.
Some of you are just ridiculous. I honestly have no idea what you guys have watched the past two years, because it's apparent to anyone with a brainstem the potential Bradley is oozing. He's been derailed by some unfortunate injuries which is a legitimate concern and another story to argue, but he has shown 3rd tier star potential in the mold of Curry, Deng, Ibaka, etc.
He's playing through a recovery of double surgery, is only 22, has never had a training camp, and has shown consistently dominant defense and streaks of being a competent 3 point shooter, great off the ball cutter, solid midrange shot, and the ability to get to the rim against anyone. He also has the best pull up jumper of anyone on the team not named Terry, Pierce, or KG.
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This seems knee-jerk.
Welcome to the internet. And to sports fandom.
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Yeah it's weird because he was a really solid finisher last year. To me though, any offensive game from him is a plus, he's an impact defensive player.
yeah its weird he looks awkward at times after, you know, double shoulder surgery less than 9 months ago
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Some might want to go back and look at the Draft Express writeups on Bradley. His strengths and weaknesses noted then are pretty much the same we've seen from him. Elite defender, decent mid-range shot, weak finisher, weak long range shooter, not a playmaker etc.
Sounds spot on to me. I doesn't say anywhere "franchise savior". Where are all the people who thought he was the key to turning our season around? Yep, an undersized SG with limited offensive skills was going to save us ::)
Have you not watched the Celtics the past few weeks? Even without Rondo and going through a gauntlet of really good teams, they went on a winning streak.
The problem with the team was dribble penetration and perimeter defense and guess what Bradleys best talents are? Stopping dribble penetration and perimeter defense.
If you really haven't seen the difference in the team, I don't know what to tell you. They're allowing something ridiculous like 10 less points per 100 possessions since Bradley returned. That's the equivalent of going from worst in the league to best in the league. Granted part of that was also Rondos fault and Green/Terry/Barbosa/Lee finally catching on, but to act like Bradley hasn't made a massive impact is quite frankly, beyond stupid.
Please try watching some games before commenting in the future.
Some might want to go back and look at the Draft Express writeups on Bradley. His strengths and weaknesses noted then are pretty much the same we've seen from him. Elite defender, decent mid-range shot, weak finisher, weak long range shooter, not a playmaker etc.
Except this is not the case at all. Last year when he was healthy he was a great, not good, great, finisher around the rim. He also showed that if you give him a pick he can blow by anyone. Remember the Hawks game? He and Bass almost beat the playoff team Hawks without any of the Big 3 playing.
Some of you are just ridiculous. I honestly have no idea what you guys have watched the past two years, because it's apparent to anyone with a brainstem the potential Bradley is oozing. He's been derailed by some unfortunate injuries which is a legitimate concern and another story to argue, but he has shown 3rd tier star potential in the mold of Curry, Deng, Ibaka, etc.
He's playing through a recovery of double surgery, is only 22, has never had a training camp, and has shown consistently dominant defense and streaks of being a competent 3 point shooter, great off the ball cutter, solid midrange shot, and the ability to get to the rim against anyone. He also has the best pull up jumper of anyone on the team not named Terry, Pierce, or KG.
His 3FG% for playoffs and regular season last year was 33% and it's 30% so far this year. He has bad streaks and good streaks, but he's still a poor 3 point shooter and he wasn't a good one in college either with its shorter distance.
His offensive points per possession per Synergy Sports was 469th, 164th, and 306th for his 1st-3rd regular seasons. There are 150 starters in the NBA. He was also the second worst for NBA efficiency in the playoffs last year for players getting 20+ minutes per game. The numbers speak for themselves. He is a better than average spot/rtythm shooter from the mid-range, but that's about it as things he does well offensively.
I've never said anything negative about his defense which is elite IMO. He's ranked 7th best in points allowed defensively by Synergy Sports, up from 29th last year, and 42nd as a rookie (which is remarkable).
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Some might want to go back and look at the Draft Express writeups on Bradley. His strengths and weaknesses noted then are pretty much the same we've seen from him. Elite defender, decent mid-range shot, weak finisher, weak long range shooter, not a playmaker etc.
Sounds spot on to me. I doesn't say anywhere "franchise savior". Where are all the people who thought he was the key to turning our season around? Yep, an undersized SG with limited offensive skills was going to save us ::)
Have you not watched the Celtics the past few weeks? Even without Rondo and going through a gauntlet of really good teams, they went on a winning streak.
The problem with the team was dribble penetration and perimeter defense and guess what Bradleys best talents are? Stopping dribble penetration and perimeter defense.
If you really haven't seen the difference in the team, I don't know what to tell you. They're allowing something ridiculous like 10 less points per 100 possessions since Bradley returned. That's the equivalent of going from worst in the league to best in the league. Granted part of that was also Rondos fault and Green/Terry/Barbosa/Lee finally catching on, but to act like Bradley hasn't made a massive impact is quite frankly, beyond stupid.
Please try watching some games before commenting in the future.
Some might want to go back and look at the Draft Express writeups on Bradley. His strengths and weaknesses noted then are pretty much the same we've seen from him. Elite defender, decent mid-range shot, weak finisher, weak long range shooter, not a playmaker etc.
Except this is not the case at all. Last year when he was healthy he was a great, not good, great, finisher around the rim. He also showed that if you give him a pick he can blow by anyone. Remember the Hawks game? He and Bass almost beat the playoff team Hawks without any of the Big 3 playing.
Some of you are just ridiculous. I honestly have no idea what you guys have watched the past two years, because it's apparent to anyone with a brainstem the potential Bradley is oozing. He's been derailed by some unfortunate injuries which is a legitimate concern and another story to argue, but he has shown 3rd tier star potential in the mold of Curry, Deng, Ibaka, etc.
He's playing through a recovery of double surgery, is only 22, has never had a training camp, and has shown consistently dominant defense and streaks of being a competent 3 point shooter, great off the ball cutter, solid midrange shot, and the ability to get to the rim against anyone. He also has the best pull up jumper of anyone on the team not named Terry, Pierce, or KG.
His 3FG% for playoffs and regular season last year was 33% and it's 30% so far this year. He has bad streaks and good streaks, but he's still a poor 3 point shooter and he wasn't a good one in college either with its shorter distance.
His offensive points per possession per Synergy Sports was 469th, 164th, and 306th for his 1st-3rd regular seasons. There are 150 starters in the NBA. He was also the second worst for NBA efficiency in the playoffs last year for players getting 20+ minutes per game. The numbers speak for themselves. He is a better than average spot/rtythm shooter from the mid-range, but that's about it as things he does well offensively.
I've never said anything negative about his defense which is elite IMO. He's ranked 7th best in points allowed defensively by Synergy Sports, up from 29th last year, and 42nd as a rookie (which is remarkable).
So the entirety of your argument is based off when he was a backup PG playing 15 MPG and when he was playing with two dislocated shoulders. IIRC when he was starting he shot over 50% from three.
Come on. Use some freaking common sense.
Yeah it's weird because he was a really solid finisher last year. To me though, any offensive game from him is a plus, he's an impact defensive player.
yeah its weird he looks awkward at times after, you know, double shoulder surgery less than 9 months ago
TP
THANK YOU. It's nice seeing someone have some freaking common sense. It's mindblowing how knee jerk people can be, demanding instantaneous gratification. It's all about the ESPN highlights for "fans" nowadays.
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Yeah it's weird because he was a really solid finisher last year. To me though, any offensive game from him is a plus, he's an impact defensive player.
yeah its weird he looks awkward at times after, you know, double shoulder surgery less than 9 months ago
TP
THANK YOU. It's nice seeing someone have some freaking common sense. It's mindblowing how knee jerk people can be, demanding instantaneous gratification. It's all about the ESPN highlights for "fans" nowadays.
Here's a piece of common sense: when you have no ability to finish in traffic, you should stop taking the ball to the rack!
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TP LarBird33,
Have you been talking to Doc Rivers?
Jeff Green: Starting power forward, 38 minutes, best game of the year, big win.
Oops, posted this in the wrong thread.