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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rondohondo on February 20, 2013, 07:51:17 PM
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Confirmed Ainge offered PP 2 BK 4 top 2-3 player, JJ, no doubt. Makes me think if team is found 2 take him KG might accept deal 2 contender
https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1/status/304386505793757184
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Amnesty this summer maybe?
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Jesus Christ. Thursday can't come fast enough.
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One of the comments:
"why wouldn't the nets do that? Much better contract for Pierce than JJ, and arguably better player."
Pierce is viewed as a better player than JJ? At this stage of his career, really?
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Talk about a trade that makes absolutely no sense.
Acquiring a younger atheletic forward in Josh Smith - I can see it.
Acquiring an aging semi-star player who is currently slightly worse than PP and is definitely declining - ?.
The loyalty to value factor goes way out the window in this equation.
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Nets should be all over this cuz it frees up money to get dwight this offseason
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One of the comments:
"why wouldn't the nets do that? Much better contract for Pierce than JJ, and arguably better player."
Pierce is viewed as a better player than JJ? At this stage of his career, really?
Eh..he's always been better,there numbers this and the last 3 suggest he still is. Joe is 4 years younger though
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Confirmed Ainge offered PP 2 BK 4 top 2-3 player, JJ, no doubt. Makes me think if team is found 2 take him KG might accept deal 2 contender
https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1/status/304386505793757184
Gotta love the fact that it's "confirmed" but he's guessing at who's in the trade. Too funny.
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Confirmed Ainge offered PP 2 BK 4 top 2-3 player, JJ, no doubt. Makes me think if team is found 2 take him KG might accept deal 2 contender
https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1/status/304386505793757184
Whew...thank god it's Vescey! Makes Sherrod look like Adam Schefter
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Doesn't JJ make 19mil a year? Yikes
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Jesus Christ. Thursday can't come fast enough.
ROFL
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Yeah, how do they know it is 'confirmed' if they can't even confirm who is getting traded. I swear 90% of the nba media is just making stuff up at this point. Pretty annoying actually.
Why we would trade PP for JJ is beyond me. Isn't Johnson's contract something we def wouldn't want to take on? I mean he is no spring chicken either.
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Vescey admits that it is total speculation on his part that it was JJ ("educated guess" are the words he used).
JJ owed what about $100 million overthe next four. Vescey's full of crap.
Top 2-3 player could also be Brooke Lopez.
Unlikely, but who knows with Danny.
Who would play center for Nets?
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What does "top 2-3 player" mean? 1) The nets best wing player, which is Johnson. 2) Or, one of the best 2-3 players, which are Lopez, Williams, and Johnson.
The only way this rumor makes sense to me is if DA asked for Lopez or Williams. PP for JJ is Gaston-era bad.
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I don't believe that. JJ has the worst contract in the NBA right now.
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I want to know what "confirmed" means. If Ainge offered Pierce for JJ, there's no question that there were other pieces.
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Wonder if Danny has this playing on his laptop? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl2TwUpIlLo
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One of the comments:
"why wouldn't the nets do that? Much better contract for Pierce than JJ, and arguably better player."
Pierce is viewed as a better player than JJ? At this stage of his career, really?
Absolutely. Johnson has been a complete dud in the playoffs the last four years. Virtually a non threat with equal point to FGA ratio. He's so meh. Pierce had his worst playoffs this past season, and it was still better than all of Johnson's playoff performances save one year in Phoenix. He hasn't exactly been gangbusters in the regular season either. Pierce could have averaged 20-23 PPG on those Hawk teams the last few years.
Johnson might never be better either because he might hit his own decline. He's not exactly young. He's 31.
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I 100% believe that Ainge offered PP (plus salary) for JJ (and a 1st). The idea would be that NJ gets to compete this year and shed salary next year. Also Pierce is better than Johnson at basically everything but wind sprints so NJ actually gets better.
Johnson probably has 2 "good" years left and after that he's a massive expiring contract. KG is signed for about that long as is Rondo. This was a "keep the window open" scenario and the Nets turned it down because Prokhorov is a billionaire that doesn't mind paying into the tax to win. Can't blame Danny for trying at all.
Honestly I can't decide if this was to keep the window open or trade or shut the door trade. I think window because of how long Johnson is signed for and how much he's owed. No rebuilding team wants that mess.
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I bet it was for Lopez if it's "top 2 player" and the Nets turned it down. Right now PP is better than JJ and has a better contract. No way Ainge offers it or NJ turns it down.
I can see Ainge trying to pry Lopez to get NJ to dump his awful contract. Even though he's playing well he's not a $20 mil a year player. Either way Danny probably dodged a bullet. Every Net is overpaid.
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I 100% believe that Ainge offered PP (plus salary) for JJ (and a 1st). The idea would be that NJ gets to compete this year and shed salary next year. Also Pierce is better than Johnson at basically everything but wind sprints so NJ actually gets better.
Johnson probably has 2 "good" years left and after that he's a massive expiring contract. KG is signed for about that long as is Rondo. This was a "keep the window open" scenario and the Nets turned it down because Prokhorov is a billionaire that doesn't mind paying into the tax to win. Can't blame Danny for trying at all.
Honestly I can't decide if this was to keep the window open or trade or shut the door trade. I think window because of how long Johnson is signed for and how much he's owed. No rebuilding team wants that mess.
Trading for a player on that contract and also a player who is much worse than who "we offered" is not keeping the window open. It's also not shutting it down because the contract is a huge burden that would kill us in any potential 2014 free agency talks. I don't think this offer ever happened...at least the Celtics didn't offer it. It makes no sense whatsoever for the Celtics haha
The only thing this trade accomplishes is probably p---ing off KG so he's okay with the Clippers trade. Does Ainge really think Jordan/Bledsoe are THAT worth it? Pierce, KG for essentially Johnson, Bledsoe, and Jordan doesn't sound that bad, but I don't like how shady it sounds on Ainge's part potentially (purposely making KG want to go).
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The only thing "confirmed" is that Ainge offered Pierce for one of Brooklyn's top 2-3 players. The Joe Johnson stuff seems like speculation, if I'm reading "tweet speak" correctly.
If Deron or Lopez were the target, I get it. If it's Johnson, not so much.
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Oh, didn't realize this was Vecsey. I trust Sherrod more than him.
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Hmmm....not a bad deal here either.
I can see this being more appealing than Humphries and Brooks.
I am actually surprised Brooklyn would turn this down as well.
Paul is a proven veteran player who could really help the Nets out in crunch time.
I also like it for the Celts because it gives us another scoring option and you could also use JJ as the 3 as well.
I think both teams benefit. Wonder if we'll hear more on this
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That'd certainly be an interesting conversation w/ Wyc.
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Hmmm well if it was Deron Williams, that would give us a healthy PG for this year. This also opens the door to trading Rondo later for a valuable asset. Brooks Lopez would be alright but he's too injury prone for me to find desirable.
JJ has an albatross contract so I don't believe that is the guy Ainge was targetting.
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Hmmm well if it was Deron Williams, that would give us a healthy PG for this year. This also opens the door to trading Rondo later for a valuable asset. Brooks Lopez would be alright but he's too injury prone for me to find desirable.
JJ has an albatross contract so I don't believe that is the guy Ainge was targetting.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If it was for DWill, I would've made this deal yesterday and then deal Rondo this summer (with all due respect to Paul.)
JJ is also a very good player but I agree, that contract is awful
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If it was for Deron, it would be extremely sad to say no, but it is a deal that you can't turn down.
You then work on a deal centered around Rondo and Howard and you have a pretty awesome cornerstone for the next generation...
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If it was for Deron, it would be extremely sad to say no, but it is a deal that you can't turn down.
You then work on a deal centered around Rondo and Howard and you have a pretty awesome cornerstone for the next generation...
A cornerstone of two overpaid, disgruntled, coach-killing wannabes?
I wouldn't care if they were winning, I wouldn't watch that team. I would rather watch a washed-up KG and Pierce than those two.
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If I were in Ainge's position, the Pierce trade I would offer if I had to offer one (and I don't want to trade Pierce) is Pierce for Gerald Wallace, Teletovic, Brooks, and two firsts.
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If it was for Deron, it would be extremely sad to say no, but it is a deal that you can't turn down.
You then work on a deal centered around Rondo and Howard and you have a pretty awesome cornerstone for the next generation...
The Celtics already have an injured franchise PG, they don't need two. Especially not for one that's overpaid over the next four years.
Brooklyn would never trade him for Pierce anyways.
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One of the comments:
"why wouldn't the nets do that? Much better contract for Pierce than JJ, and arguably better player."
Pierce is viewed as a better player than JJ? At this stage of his career, really?
I think so... JJ had an atrocious start to the year. Havent kept up on how his season is going since.
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If I were in Ainge's position, the Pierce trade I would offer if I had to offer one (and I don't want to trade Pierce) is Pierce for Gerald Wallace, Teletovic, Brooks, and two firsts.
gerald wallace is a joke, and i never even heard of teletovic i bet hes horrible
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Please no...
Joe Johnson is one of the most overrated (and overpaid) players in the NBA, and he's not THAT much younger than Pierce so he's hardly a centerpiece to build around either.
This will be very depressing if true.
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Joe Johnson is one of the most overrated (and overpaid) players in the NBA, and he's not THAT much younger than Pierce so he's hardly a centerpiece to build around either.
Not being a centerpiece that you can build around is not a good reason since trading Pierce should mean that you've given up on contending anytime soon.
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Then surely that means he offered him to Atlanta for Smith and got rebuffed. I wonder why?