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Title: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: jay on February 20, 2013, 04:29:01 PM
I really like this idea.  They think this will free up the young bigs on the Jazz plus give them a dynamic point guard that they have lacked since trading DWill.

For Boston, Millsao next to Garnett and Pierce would be a really good front line and Alec Burks could be a really good SG.  He is 6'6" and a really good scorer. 

Top 8 guys:

Bradley
Lee
Burks
Pierce
Green
Millsap
Garnett
Sullinger

plus Melo and Terry to round out the 2-deep.  Bass would become expendable.  Maybe package Bass and Terry for a point guard?
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: Eja117 on February 20, 2013, 04:34:35 PM
ewwwww
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: Evantime34 on February 20, 2013, 04:35:34 PM
This was clearly thought of by a Jazz fan. The only way they get Rondo is if we get Favors back.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 20, 2013, 04:36:34 PM
Rondo for Big Al makes more sense.  I'm not that big on Millsap
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: lantinm on February 20, 2013, 04:38:26 PM
I don't think Danny is dealing Rondo unless he gets a star back.  I think it was Broussard (even though he's hardly reliable) who said that he'd only deal Rondo for Dwight, CP3, or a Melo-like return that Denver received.  Danny has gone on record stating that Rondo was the best player in three different playoff series, two of which included Lebron and Rose.  He will only deal Rondo in a blockbuster, imho.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: j804 on February 20, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
Rondo for Big Al makes more sense.  I'm not that big on Millsap
I'm not big on either of the don't know what the big fuss is about Millsap
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: LooseCannon on February 20, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
I'm not big on either of the don't know what the big fuss is about Millsap

The main thing about Millsap is that he is at least as good and probably better than Jefferson, but on a smaller contract.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: freshinthehouse on February 20, 2013, 04:43:58 PM
ewwwww
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: j804 on February 20, 2013, 04:45:11 PM
I'm not big on either of the don't know what the big fuss is about Millsap

The main thing about Millsap is that he is at least as good and probably better than Jefferson, but on a smaller contract.
For Rondo though?!? no way
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: wahz on February 20, 2013, 04:51:09 PM
I imagine the big fuss is he can rebound and has proven it for years.

he has had years where he has averaged nearly 3 offensive rebounds a game. Still, I don't like him so much that I think it would be ok to trade Rajon for him

Speaking of rebounders, why is it that guys who are great rebounders in college are often ignored or at least depreciated in the draft? Off the top of my head guys who were underrated have been guys like Milsap, Faried, X McDaniel, R. Parish, or even guys like Baby and Powe? But the NBA looks at guys like Adam Morrison, who was a poor rebounder in college and seems to not make the connection
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 20, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
ewwwww


Ditto. Not for rondo at all
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: LooseCannon on February 20, 2013, 04:52:36 PM
I'm not big on either of the don't know what the big fuss is about Millsap

The main thing about Millsap is that he is at least as good and probably better than Jefferson, but on a smaller contract.
For Rondo though?!? no way

Well, no, but if you were forced to trade for one or the other, I think Millsap is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: LooseCannon on February 20, 2013, 04:58:37 PM
Speaking of rebounders, why is it that guys who are great rebounders in college are often ignored or at least depreciated in the draft? Off the top of my head guys who were underrated have been guys like Milsap, Faried, X McDaniel, R. Parish, or even guys like Baby and Powe? But the NBA looks at guys like Adam Morrison, who was a poor rebounder in college and seems to not make the connection

Adam Morrison is a SF and was seen as appropriately-sized for a SF.  Millsap and Faried were seen as under-sized PFs.  Some people get extremely fixated on players having the right height that they ignore actual playing ability.  See, for example, the people on this board who seem to doubt Avery Bradley solely because he lacks ideal height.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 20, 2013, 04:59:57 PM
Not thinking this through at the moment, but a trade that gives us a good caliber big for Rondo should be of serious consideration this season in my opinion.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 20, 2013, 05:11:09 PM
Speaking of rebounders, why is it that guys who are great rebounders in college are often ignored or at least depreciated in the draft? Off the top of my head guys who were underrated have been guys like Milsap, Faried, X McDaniel, R. Parish, or even guys like Baby and Powe? But the NBA looks at guys like Adam Morrison, who was a poor rebounder in college and seems to not make the connection

Adam Morrison is a SF and was seen as appropriately-sized for a SF.  Millsap and Faried were seen as under-sized PFs.  Some people get extremely fixated on players having the right height that they ignore actual playing ability.  See, for example, the people on this board who seem to doubt Avery Bradley solely because he lacks ideal height.
Millisap is undersized for a big.  Bradley is undersized for a SG.  I'd avoid trading for either of them. 
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 20, 2013, 05:17:03 PM
I'd love to get Big Al back for Rondo personally.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: LooseCannon on February 20, 2013, 05:18:32 PM
I'd generally rather trade for an undersized player of proven effectiveness than a taller player who has not shown anywhere near an equal level of production given ample opportunity, despite having superior athleticism.

Kenneth Faried is about the same size as Millsap.  Maybe not as heavy, but otherwise about the same.  Would you avoid trading for him, too?
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: Moranis on February 20, 2013, 05:19:50 PM
If it was Hayward and not Burks, I might consider it.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: nostar on February 20, 2013, 05:23:36 PM
This was posted on a site I saw this morning under the article heading "Dream trades we'd love to see". I went out of my way to bash not only the Rondo for Millsap/Burks trade but several others that were listed. It's a laughable idea that we'd let Rondo go for a nice player on an expiring deal and a (for all intents and purposes) rookie who is playing okay. Rondo was the starting guard for the East. Millsap and Burks are 2nd and 7th scoring options on a middling team. BOOM!

If it was Hayward and not Burks, I might consider it.

Still absolutely not. He tore his ACL he didn't die!
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: kozlodoev on February 20, 2013, 05:32:35 PM
Millsap and Burks are 2nd and 7th scoring options on a middling team.
Rondo was the 2nd option on a team that was middling worse than the Jazz, if that's how you want to slice it.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: Moranis on February 20, 2013, 05:34:39 PM
This was posted on a site I saw this morning under the article heading "Dream trades we'd love to see". I went out of my way to bash not only the Rondo for Millsap/Burks trade but several others that were listed. It's a laughable idea that we'd let Rondo go for a nice player on an expiring deal and a (for all intents and purposes) rookie who is playing okay. Rondo was the starting guard for the East. Millsap and Burks are 2nd and 7th scoring options on a middling team. BOOM!

If it was Hayward and not Burks, I might consider it.

Still absolutely not. He tore his ACL he didn't die!
True, but Hayward and Millsap aren't exactly scrubs and would be good value for a guy who TORE his ACL.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: BruceBanner18 on February 20, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
If it was Hayward and not Burks, I might consider it.

Beat me too it.  Hayward is a guy that seems to have gotten better every time I see him play.

Lee, Bradley, Pierce, Millsap, KG with Terry, Hayward, Green, Bass, Collins/Wilcox can compete this year.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: arctic 3.0 on February 20, 2013, 05:39:17 PM
I'd do favors and mo Williams for rondo.
Doubt Utah would give up favors.

Would do gortat and dragic for rondo. ( dragic's my binky)

If we move him we need to get back two quality players.
One preferably has to be a star or likely star.  They either need to be on reasonable contracts or expiring this year or next.
A good big and a good point would allow us to compete this year.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: Moranis on February 20, 2013, 05:41:28 PM
I'd do favors and mo Williams for rondo.
Doubt Utah would give up favors.

Would do gortat and dragic for rondo. ( dragic's my binky)

If we move him we need to get back two quality players.
One preferably has to be a star or likely star.  They either need to be on reasonable contracts or expiring this year or next.
A good big and a good point would allow us to compete this year.
Millsap and Hayward meet your criteria and might actually be possible.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 20, 2013, 06:01:27 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a7od3gz yea!

But the real question is, will we win a championship with Millsap? He's OK against LB right? (not Barbosa, James)
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: BballTim on February 20, 2013, 06:48:35 PM
This was posted on a site I saw this morning under the article heading "Dream trades we'd love to see". I went out of my way to bash not only the Rondo for Millsap/Burks trade but several others that were listed. It's a laughable idea that we'd let Rondo go for a nice player on an expiring deal and a (for all intents and purposes) rookie who is playing okay. Rondo was the starting guard for the East. Millsap and Burks are 2nd and 7th scoring options on a middling team. BOOM!

If it was Hayward and not Burks, I might consider it.

Still absolutely not. He tore his ACL he didn't die!
True, but Hayward and Millsap aren't exactly scrubs and would be good value for a guy who TORE his ACL.

  Rondo's 26 and he's shown that he can play like a superstar in the playoffs. If you're trading him and don't get back someone that makes you a favorite (like Sheed to Detroit) or someone who's going to make at least a few all-star games then you're getting swindled.
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: erisred on February 20, 2013, 06:50:46 PM
I imagine the big fuss is he can rebound and has proven it for years.

he has had years where he has averaged nearly 3 offensive rebounds a game. Still, I don't like him so much that I think it would be ok to trade Rajon for him

Speaking of rebounders, why is it that guys who are great rebounders in college are often ignored or at least depreciated in the draft? Off the top of my head guys who were underrated have been guys like Milsap, Faried, X McDaniel, R. Parish, or even guys like Baby and Powe? But the NBA looks at guys like Adam Morrison, who was a poor rebounder in college and seems to not make the connection
Karl Malone, too!
Title: Re: Hoopshype idea: Millsap and Burks for Rondo
Post by: nostar on February 20, 2013, 09:54:44 PM
Millsap and Burks are 2nd and 7th scoring options on a middling team.
Rondo was the 2nd option on a team that was middling worse than the Jazz, if that's how you want to slice it.

I see what you did there! I disagree though. Rondo for at least the past 2 years has been the first option until very late in games. He plays the most minutes, moves the ball up the floor and decides who gets what shots where. I think that is first option by most metrics.

And further in no way are the Celtics comparable to the Jazz over the past 5 seasons. Not only have we won a championship we've also been the the finals again and 2 conference championship games. So I guess if that is middling then I'm suddenly fine with middling.

I wouldn't take Millsap, Burks AND Haywood for Rondo. I'd only move Rondo for a polished star to win this season.