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Title: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: ssspence on February 19, 2013, 03:55:09 PM
http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/celtics_insider/2013/02/ainge_doubtful_celts_can_make_deal

Sounds like they're buyers not sellers. I still wonder about potential Rondo deals, but understand why they likely won't happen.

Side note: I suspect the Cs will try to get under the tax threshold. Example... if they could trade Melo for a late 1st, I believe they'd do it.
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: saltlover on February 19, 2013, 04:13:47 PM
http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/celtics_insider/2013/02/ainge_doubtful_celts_can_make_deal

Sounds like they're buyers not sellers. I still wonder about potential Rondo deals, but understand why they likely won't happen.

Side note: I suspect the Cs will try to get under the tax threshold. Example... if they could trade Melo for a late 1st, I believe they'd do it.

I read that as posturing to other GM's.  Especially these lines at the end:

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"My first choice is always to try to win now, especially when you have unique players like KG and Paul," added Ainge. "That’s always the best option. But the injuries have at least allowed me to ponder other possibilities. It’s still going to be tough to convince me that’s what we need to do."
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 19, 2013, 04:14:39 PM
Side note: I suspect the Cs will try to get under the tax threshold. Example... if they could trade Melo for a late 1st, I believe they'd do it.

I think Ainge's comment about "I'm not giving Sullinger away for free because he's hurt" was referring to teams trying to talk him into making a giveaway deal to get them under.
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: ssspence on February 19, 2013, 04:22:21 PM
Side note: I suspect the Cs will try to get under the tax threshold. Example... if they could trade Melo for a late 1st, I believe they'd do it.

I think Ainge's comment about "I'm not giving Sullinger away for free because he's hurt" was referring to teams trying to talk him into making a giveaway deal to get them under.

Well they wouldn't trade Sully for nothing because he's good. But I'd venture they'd trade a lesser piece if it meant they'd avoid paying the luxury tax.

I know they like Barbosa and would rather not ship him out (even when hurt), but he's another possibility.
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: BruceBanner18 on February 19, 2013, 04:24:03 PM
I read it kind of differently.  I heard Ainge say that he wants to win now, but the injuries have put doubt in his head which has given rise to investigating 'blow up' trades.  Doesn't feel those deals are good enough (good timing to get this out there as a negotiation tactic to get better offers) and ultimately feels that we will do some tinkering to get this team more competitive for a playoff run.
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: ssspence on February 19, 2013, 04:27:07 PM
I read it kind of differently.  I heard Ainge say that he wants to win now, but the injuries have put doubt in his head which has given rise to investigating 'blow up' trades.  Doesn't feel those deals are good enough (good timing to get this out there as a negotiation tactic to get better offers) and ultimately feels that we will do some tinkering to get this team more competitive for a playoff run.

Sure I think that's a fair assessment. Not a done deal that Celtics won't be sellers, but as he says, easier said than done.
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: billysan on February 19, 2013, 05:04:19 PM
One thing I havent seen is any curiousity if Pierce is willing to take a pay cut next year for the team as KG did this year. This has got to have an effect going forward on Danny's roster building or rebuilding. We need to add a piece or two but this payroll is pretty cumbersome. I just dont have many expectations of getting a major deal done.

That said, it wont be for a lack of effort on Danny's part.
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: heyvik on February 19, 2013, 05:04:30 PM
I think the key is KG...if he says yes then we are sellers!!!!

I honestly don't see how DA thinks that this team even without a true PG makes noise in the post season.
Maybe his hands are tied between Wyc and KG.
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 19, 2013, 05:13:27 PM
lets get back to ball and quit trying to give away hall of fame Celtics for mediocre non star players.

Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 19, 2013, 05:14:34 PM
One thing I havent seen is any curiousity if Pierce is willing to take a pay cut next year for the team as KG did this year. This has got to have an effect going forward on Danny's roster building or rebuilding. We need to add a piece or two but this payroll is pretty cumbersome. I just dont have many expectations of getting a major deal done.

That said, it wont be for a lack of effort on Danny's part.

Pierce can't take a pay-cut next year, maybe after next year.
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: saltlover on February 19, 2013, 05:48:33 PM
One thing I havent seen is any curiousity if Pierce is willing to take a pay cut next year for the team as KG did this year. This has got to have an effect going forward on Danny's roster building or rebuilding. We need to add a piece or two but this payroll is pretty cumbersome. I just dont have many expectations of getting a major deal done.

That said, it wont be for a lack of effort on Danny's part.

Pierce can't take a pay-cut next year, maybe after next year.

He could I think.  The Celtics could waive him at the end of the season, paying him $5 million.  Assuming he did not get claimed on waivers, he could then be re-signed, although I'm not sure if he could receive more than the minimum salary (and of course the $5 million he's guaranteed) unless signed with some other exception (BAE, MLE).  Mind you, I doubt that would happen, but I don't think it's impermissible.
Title: Re: Bulpett article with deeper Ainge quotes on potentially quiet deadline
Post by: btabakin on February 19, 2013, 07:05:01 PM
I honestly don't put much faith or credibility in these quotes. What is Danny supposed to say? "I'm trying to trade Pierce and KG."?

If he said that he wouldn't get any offers for them. No GM will ever say they're trying to trade for a player.

This week honestly reminds me of 2011. There was a lot of talk, then rumors died down and then on Thursday we traded Perk.

Something big is coming.