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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: WeMadeIt17 on February 19, 2013, 02:46:12 PM
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So we know the deadline is Thursday at 3. So tell me what do you want the Celtics to look like at 3:01. Or what they will look like. I hope they look something like this.
Bradley/Terry
Lee/Williams
Pierce/Williams/ Soon to be vet. pick up
Smith/Wilcox
KG/Wilcox/Collins.
Would also like to pick K-mart up in there. So tell me what do you think we look like after Thursdays deadline.
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Really nothing, but if we can get an upgrade on Bass, I'm all for it.
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Well I am banking on the Hawks becoming desperate to make a move. Just read on realgm that sources tell yahoo sports that Bucks intend to keep Jennings and Monta. So that probably takes another deal off the table for the Hawks.
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One or both of the following (no particular order of preference)
1. KG and Pierce shipped out for younger assets with significant future trade value.
2. Bass, Terry, Lee, and Green (any or all) traded for expirings and minor assets (late 1st or 2nd round picks, young projects on rookie deals, etc).
3. Bradley and Sullinger still on the team, except in the very unlikely scenario that they are sent out in a trade for a young player with All-Star potential (e.g. Cousins).
I'd like to see Danny make at least one or two moves that will put the team in a better position moving forward, salary-wise or roster-wise. Both would be ideal.
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So we know the deadline is Thursday at 3. So tell me what do you want the Celtics to look like at 3:01. Or what they will look like. I hope they look something like this.
Bradley/Terry
Lee/Williams
Pierce/Williams/ Soon to be vet. pick up
Smith/Wilcox
KG/Wilcox/Collins.
Would also like to pick K-mart up in there. So tell me what do you think we look like after Thursdays deadline.
need a big, BIGTIME. I am not crazy about smith. But it is what it is. We'll see what happens thursday.
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I want to see no major trades. Maybe a mild deal that doesn't send out anyone in the rotation but finds an upgrade on Wilcox/Collins as a third big behind KG and Bass in the rotation. My preference is to see those empty roster spots filled by players on ten-day contracts.
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Really nothing, but if we can get an upgrade on Bass, I'm all for it.
What are you going to give up to get an upgrade for Bass? Bass himself?
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Really nothing, but if we can get an upgrade on Bass, I'm all for it.
What are you going to give up to get an upgrade for Bass? Bass himself?
Of course. You can add Barbosa, Collins/Wilcox to the deal and a pick if needed be, and you can unburden a team from a player they might not have future plans for, but is either too costly for them at the moment, or in a bad long contract, or is expiring and they see a bit of value on retaining Bass and getting a pick for their troubles.
That said, I'm ambivalent about trading Bass at the moment. Was in a bigger "hurry" to trade him while Sully was healthy, now not so much.
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Really nothing, but if we can get an upgrade on Bass, I'm all for it.
What are you going to give up to get an upgrade for Bass? Bass himself?
Of course. You can add Barbosa, Collins/Wilcox to the deal and a pick if needed be, and you can unburden a team from a player they might not have future plans for, but is either too costly for them at the moment, or in a bad long contract, or is expiring and they see a bit of value on retaining Bass and getting a pick for their troubles.
That said, I'm ambivalent about trading Bass at the moment. Was in a bigger "hurry" to trade him while Sully was healthy, now not so much.
How many PFs who are superior to Bass are available for that package? I'd guess none when you consider that Bass's deal has a lot of years left on it.
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Really nothing, but if we can get an upgrade on Bass, I'm all for it.
What are you going to give up to get an upgrade for Bass? Bass himself?
Of course. You can add Barbosa, Collins/Wilcox to the deal and a pick if needed be, and you can unburden a team from a player they might not have future plans for, but is either too costly for them at the moment, or in a bad long contract, or is expiring and they see a bit of value on retaining Bass and getting a pick for their troubles.
That said, I'm ambivalent about trading Bass at the moment. Was in a bigger "hurry" to trade him while Sully was healthy, now not so much.
How many PFs who are superior to Bass are available for that package? I'd guess none when you consider that Bass's deal has a lot of years left on it.
I don't consider 2 more years "a lot of years left", and ideally "upgrade" is more of a roster notion, than a player vs. player notion. If you can grab a center of comparable talent, then that's an upgrade for the team.
It's a better fit for Green, it's a better fit for Wilcox, could potentially be a better fit for KG.
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Really nothing, but if we can get an upgrade on Bass, I'm all for it.
What are you going to give up to get an upgrade for Bass? Bass himself?
Of course. You can add Barbosa, Collins/Wilcox to the deal and a pick if needed be, and you can unburden a team from a player they might not have future plans for, but is either too costly for them at the moment, or in a bad long contract, or is expiring and they see a bit of value on retaining Bass and getting a pick for their troubles.
That said, I'm ambivalent about trading Bass at the moment. Was in a bigger "hurry" to trade him while Sully was healthy, now not so much.
There are multiple problems with this:
(1) You can't really take in more salary than you ship out under our hard cap reality.
(2) Without adding in a rotation player, you can maybe add 1.5 million to Bass' salary (and that's a stretch).
(3) Bass is already on a long contract. He's not a fit with a team who wants to shed salary.
(4) You want the player to actually be an upgrade over Bass.
I don't see all of these happening at all, no matter how many picks you throw in.
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Really nothing, but if we can get an upgrade on Bass, I'm all for it.
What are you going to give up to get an upgrade for Bass? Bass himself?
I know Bass hasn't played all that well this year, so far, but I find it hard to believe you're going to get anyone better in a trade for him.
What do I want to see at 3:01 Thursday? Same team we have now with two more victories.
Later, if a serviceable big man is waived, Danny can kick the tires on him, or another guy from the D League can be signed to a 10 day. Let's make another run with this team!
Edit: But if we go the "blow it up" route...take no prisoners. Go all the way!
Trade everybody for rookie contracts and draft picks...*everybody!* Nobody left on the active roster who is a veteran at all! Take no prisoners, make no exceptions, a complete and utter rebuild. Rondo and Sully are not on the active roster, Melo and Bradley are still on rookie contracts. Some of them may stay, or not, depending upon whoever is left in charge's judgement of their future growth and development. Stock the team with D Leaguers. Don't win another game this year...and not more than 10 next year, and probably not more than 12 the next. Pray to lottery balls.
Oh, and to keep him from dropping dead on you, give Doc a two year leave of absence...or just fire him. Let's see, Wyc should then fire Danny as his last act before selling his interest in the team to Bill Simmons for a buck.
Yeah, that would be the "blow it up" route!
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Really nothing, but if we can get an upgrade on Bass, I'm all for it.
What are you going to give up to get an upgrade for Bass? Bass himself?
Of course. You can add Barbosa, Collins/Wilcox to the deal and a pick if needed be, and you can unburden a team from a player they might not have future plans for, but is either too costly for them at the moment, or in a bad long contract, or is expiring and they see a bit of value on retaining Bass and getting a pick for their troubles.
That said, I'm ambivalent about trading Bass at the moment. Was in a bigger "hurry" to trade him while Sully was healthy, now not so much.
There are multiple problems with this:
(1) You can't really take in more salary than you ship out under our hard cap reality.
(2) Without adding in a rotation player, you can maybe add 1.5 million to Bass' salary (and that's a stretch).
(3) Bass is already on a long contract. He's not a fit with a team who wants to shed salary.
(4) You want the player to actually be an upgrade over Bass.
I don't see all of these happening at all, no matter how many picks you throw in.
1) That's why you include Barbosa and/or Collins/Wilcox
2) See above
3) 2 more season beyond this one is not a long contract. Shedding salary is not the sole motivator, I enumerated a couple of possibilities for the interest.
4) See my post above replying to Fafnir.
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I don't consider 2 more years "a lot of years left", and ideally "upgrade" is more of a roster notion, than a player vs. player notion. If you can grab a center of comparable talent, then that's an upgrade for the team.
You swap your starting PF for a backup C and that's a roster upgrade? Because Garnett isn't going back to PF, and you're still one big man short even after this swap.
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I don't consider 2 more years "a lot of years left", and ideally "upgrade" is more of a roster notion, than a player vs. player notion. If you can grab a center of comparable talent, then that's an upgrade for the team.
You swap your starting PF for a backup C and that's a roster upgrade? Because Garnett isn't going back to PF, and you're still one big man short even after this swap.
What?
There are plenty of PF/C types, or at least PF with more length than Bass. And KG can very well move to PF if needed be. Don't see the problem with that at all.
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My vote is for Green/Bass/and (picks/melo) for Josh Smith.
That lets us compete now, let's KG and P retire as celts and gives us a sold core for of Rondo and Smith for the future. Those two are good friends as well.
I think a change of environment will be great for Smith along with playing alongside KG and Pierce.
I would hate to see Green go, but you have to give to get.
That is the best deal out there for J. Smith (much better than Humpries and M. Brooks) and I think Danny will let the hawks sweat for the next couple of days and hope they bite on thus. If the Hawks are set on not re-signing Smith, they just might pull the trigger come Thus.
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I don't consider 2 more years "a lot of years left", and ideally "upgrade" is more of a roster notion, than a player vs. player notion. If you can grab a center of comparable talent, then that's an upgrade for the team.
You swap your starting PF for a backup C and that's a roster upgrade? Because Garnett isn't going back to PF, and you're still one big man short even after this swap.
What?
There are plenty of PF/C types, or at least PF with more length than Bass. And KG can very well move to PF if needed be. Don't see the problem with that at all.
Who is out there that makes around what Bass makes, has a team willing to take on salary, and wants to move a rotation caliber player?
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I'd love to add smith for a bag of balls. :)
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I don't consider 2 more years "a lot of years left", and ideally "upgrade" is more of a roster notion, than a player vs. player notion. If you can grab a center of comparable talent, then that's an upgrade for the team.
You swap your starting PF for a backup C and that's a roster upgrade? Because Garnett isn't going back to PF, and you're still one big man short even after this swap.
What?
There are plenty of PF/C types, or at least PF with more length than Bass. And KG can very well move to PF if needed be. Don't see the problem with that at all.
Who is out there that makes around what Bass makes, has a team willing to take on salary, and wants to move a rotation caliber player?
No clue. Just saying, if the option is out there, you do it. If not, I'm content with staying pat. I'm not making any trade proposals, just using a player and providing possible motivators that could be used to trade him, if that particular need exists around the league... motivators that have been frequently used in trades that have left some scratching their heads because they don't comprehend the value some people place on certain aspects.
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Mikki Moore resigned
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I don't consider 2 more years "a lot of years left", and ideally "upgrade" is more of a roster notion, than a player vs. player notion. If you can grab a center of comparable talent, then that's an upgrade for the team.
You swap your starting PF for a backup C and that's a roster upgrade? Because Garnett isn't going back to PF, and you're still one big man short even after this swap.
What?
There are plenty of PF/C types, or at least PF with more length than Bass. And KG can very well move to PF if needed be. Don't see the problem with that at all.
Who is out there that makes around what Bass makes, has a team willing to take on salary, and wants to move a rotation caliber player?
No clue. Just saying, if the option is out there, you do it. If not, I'm content with staying pat.
If its not an option you can actually craft a scenario for then why bring it up? That tells me there is no such option.
I'd like to see Pierce + Melo + Picks for LBJ. That's the sort of deal that "upgrades" Bass, one that the other team wants no part of.
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Josh smith on the celtics.
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What would I like to see at 3:01 on Thursday?
A thread titled "Why Didn't Danny get Smith?"
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What would I like to see at 3:01 on Thursday?
A thread titled "Why Didn't Danny get Smith?"
Both ESPN's Chris Broussard and CBS' Ken Berger are reporting that the Bucks and Hawks are talking about a trade involving Monta Ellis and Josh Smith.
The Hawks reportedly think that Ellis and Jeff Teague would mesh well together in their backcourt. The Bucks, meanwhile, have bigger plans up their sleeve. If they can pry Smith from the Hawks, they'd perhaps then try to trade defensive stopper Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and a pick to the Magic for J.J. Redick. That would leave them with a very solid starting five of Brandon Jennings, Redick, Ersan Ilyasova, Smith and Larry Sanders. It's a potential deal to monitor as the Hawks weigh their options ahead of Thursday's deadline.
Source: CBS Sports
I think if bucks pull out of deal. We have a better shot
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What would I like to see at 3:01 on Thursday?
A thread titled "Why Didn't Danny get Smith?"
Both ESPN's Chris Broussard and CBS' Ken Berger are reporting that the Bucks and Hawks are talking about a trade involving Monta Ellis and Josh Smith.
The Hawks reportedly think that Ellis and Jeff Teague would mesh well together in their backcourt. The Bucks, meanwhile, have bigger plans up their sleeve. If they can pry Smith from the Hawks, they'd perhaps then try to trade defensive stopper Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and a pick to the Magic for J.J. Redick. That would leave them with a very solid starting five of Brandon Jennings, Redick, Ersan Ilyasova, Smith and Larry Sanders. It's a potential deal to monitor as the Hawks weigh their options ahead of Thursday's deadline.
Source: CBS Sports
I think if bucks pull out of deal. We have a better shot
Can you see JSmoove agreeing to sign longterm in Milwaukee? I can't.
Howewver, Bucks may be willing to take the chance on a rental. Not sure, though, that the Bucks would do that.
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If what they're giving up is Ellis a rental is fine.
Ellis has an opt out and is likely to exercise it.
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I'm waiting for Smoove to pull a Melo/D-Will and kill his midseason trade value by claiming he won't resign anywhere not named Boston. In all seriousness though the only trade I'd be happy with is if we got Smith for minor pieces (i.e not Pierce) which probably wont happen.
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If what they're giving up is Ellis a rental is fine.
Ellis has an opt out and is likely to exercise it.
Do the Hawks do it if they view Ellis as a rental if he opts out?
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If what they're giving up is Ellis a rental is fine.
Ellis has an opt out and is likely to exercise it.
Do the Hawks do it if they view Ellis as a rental if he opts out?
Maybe they're interested in resigning Ellis at his market value more than Smith? They also could be interested in the other assets involved, most other scenarios have longer term salary attached so an de-facto expiring + assets isn't a bad offer either.
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If what they're giving up is Ellis a rental is fine.
Ellis has an opt out and is likely to exercise it.
Do the Hawks do it if they view Ellis as a rental if he opts out?
Maybe they're interested in resigning Ellis at his market value more than Smith? They also could be interested in the other assets involved, most other scenarios have longer term salary attached so an de-facto expiring + assets isn't a bad offer either.
Wish I had a crystal ball.
All this conjecture is fun though.
Personally, I hope we keep KG/PP and somehow acquire someone like Dalembert or Hickson. KG needs some backup.
One of those two and Kmart with the core of our current roster is what I'd like to see.
Josh Smith is unlikely and my preference, but not for PP.
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Green and pieces out and Al Jefferson in.
Don't expect it to actually happen, but it is what I would like to see.
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Bucks might be one of the few teams willing to sign him to a max contract. Depends if money is his biggest factor.
Only thing helping the Celtics is if he isn't promising to sign long term with any other team except for them (like Melo and the Knicks) and doing it off the front page. That and his reputation could be making the offers weaker.
Seems like a longshot. When Danny's in the news nothing seems to happen. When there is no news is usually when he seems to be working.
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Also, I wouldn't mind seeing the following guys leave for similar talent on shorter contracts:
Green
Terry
Bass
Lee
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What would I like to see at 3:01 on Thursday?
A thread titled "Why Didn't Danny get Smith?"
Both ESPN's Chris Broussard and CBS' Ken Berger are reporting that the Bucks and Hawks are talking about a trade involving Monta Ellis and Josh Smith.
The Hawks reportedly think that Ellis and Jeff Teague would mesh well together in their backcourt. The Bucks, meanwhile, have bigger plans up their sleeve. If they can pry Smith from the Hawks, they'd perhaps then try to trade defensive stopper Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and a pick to the Magic for J.J. Redick. That would leave them with a very solid starting five of Brandon Jennings, Redick, Ersan Ilyasova, Smith and Larry Sanders. It's a potential deal to monitor as the Hawks weigh their options ahead of Thursday's deadline.
Source: CBS Sports
I think if bucks pull out of deal. We have a better shot
Can you see JSmoove agreeing to sign longterm in Milwaukee? I can't.
Howewver, Bucks may be willing to take the chance on a rental. Not sure, though, that the Bucks would do that.
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SOMETHING!
The whole idea of trying to win a title with what we have now is ludicrous! Does anyone on this board think we can go almost a third of the season that's left without a single significant injury to one of our top 8 players??? What if KG or AB or another starter ends up with a high ankle sprain or pulled hammy, and misses 2,3,or 4 weeks. Then your'e counting on Collins, TWilliams, or Melo for MAJOR minutes!? Seriously? And you haven't even thrown in the playoffs yet--another 25 games at least! 55 games, unscathed!!! You guys push the word optimist to the extreme,extreme! I guess greater miracles have happened. So I hope one day to do a fan post and apologize to all of you who had greater faith than I!!!! ;)
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SOMETHING!
The whole idea of trying to win a title with what we have now is ludicrous! Does anyone on this board think we can go almost a third of the season that's left without a single significant injury to one of our top 8 players??? What if KG or AB or another starter ends up with a high ankle sprain or pulled hammy, and misses 2,3,or 4 weeks. Then your'e counting on Collins, TWilliams, or Melo for MAJOR minutes!? Seriously? And you haven't even thrown in the playoffs yet--another 25 games at least! 55 games, unscathed!!! You guys push the word optimist to the extreme,extreme! I guess greater miracles have happened. So I hope one day to do a fan post and apologize to all of you who had greater faith than I!!!! ;)
To many of the rumors I have seen have the Celtics taking back bad contracts for decent talent, not build around talent.
I rather see the team play it out and let contracts come off the book instead of clogging future cap for "nice players"
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Can you see JSmoove agreeing to sign longterm in Milwaukee? I can't.
I can see him signing long-term in Milwaukee if they give him a max contract, especially if they structure the roster to make him the clear first option on offense.
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What would I like to see at 3:01 on Thursday?
A thread titled "Why Didn't Danny get Smith?"
That would be sweet.
I don't think we're gonna get fair value on any of the proposed trades. Smith isn't a difference making big, remember last season against the Celtics and the huge difference Al Horford made for the Hawks in that series compared to him.
Bass for Mozgov+Randolph works for me. Start Green and have Mozgov as KG's backup. Use Wilcox/Randolph to spell Green. Of course, Bass is a better player than either Mozgov or Randolph, but the Celtics problem is not their starting PF, they struggle whenever KG is on the bench because of the lack of a defensive big. If Denver is willing to do that trade, the Celtics can trade also Barbosa for a traded player exception in order to reduce their cap (1.2M from Denver + 0.8 for Barbosa... Idk if prorated) and get a roster spot for another waiver wire/FA signing.
I hope KG/PP/Green/Rondo/Sully/Bradley/Lee/Terry/Wilcox are still with the team when they play Phoenix on Friday.
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Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard
In trying to move J Smith, ATL called LAC and asked about Bledsoe. Short conversation. Clips not really interested in trading for Smith.
So is ATL looking for a pg like ellis.
I hope more teams start to pull out for smith
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Also, I wouldn't mind seeing the following guys leave for similar talent on shorter contracts:
Green
Terry
Bass
Lee
I wouldn't even mind if we're not getting back "similar talent."
If Danny isn't willing or doesn't find a deal worth making that sends out KG and Pierce, he should definitely look to unload future salary.
The worst case scenario is that DA does nothing and we're left with a first or second round skidmark for a team and a lot of money on the books over the next few years for role players with little to no upside.
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I don't consider 2 more years "a lot of years left", and ideally "upgrade" is more of a roster notion, than a player vs. player notion. If you can grab a center of comparable talent, then that's an upgrade for the team.
You swap your starting PF for a backup C and that's a roster upgrade? Because Garnett isn't going back to PF, and you're still one big man short even after this swap.
What?
There are plenty of PF/C types, or at least PF with more length than Bass. And KG can very well move to PF if needed be. Don't see the problem with that at all.
Who is out there that makes around what Bass makes, has a team willing to take on salary, and wants to move a rotation caliber player?
No clue. Just saying, if the option is out there, you do it. If not, I'm content with staying pat.
If its not an option you can actually craft a scenario for then why bring it up? That tells me there is no such option.
I'd like to see Pierce + Melo + Picks for LBJ. That's the sort of deal that "upgrades" Bass, one that the other team wants no part of.
I'm sorry, but this is simply an absurd straw-man that has little to no relation to anything I've said in this thread.
Sorry if I'm not bothering by wasting my time to satisfy your curiousity by coming up with a specific scenario, that hinges on me knowing the specific plans of certain GMs and owners and how they envision how certain players fit into those plans, or don't fit for that matter.
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Bradley/Lowry
Lee/Williams/Redick
Pierce/Green/Williams
Smith/Green/Wilcox
KG/Collins/Wilcox
Ship out: Rondo, Melo, Bass, Terry, draft picks
Receive: Smith, Redick, Lowry
Keep: Sullinger, Barbosa
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Kg still a Celtic...
Bout it
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not interested in breaking up the core, just adding some front court depth from the buy out list.
Lamar Odom would be ideal
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Bradley/Lowry
Lee/Williams/Redick
Pierce/Green/Williams
Smith/Green/Wilcox
KG/Collins/Wilcox
Ship out: Rondo, Melo, Bass, Terry, draft picks
Receive: Smith, Redick, Lowry
Keep: Sullinger, Barbosa
If you trade out Rondo then there's no way Smith will sign with you. They are very close and Smith wouldn't be happy.
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I don't think it would happen but I'd like to see us get Gortat for Bass, Melo and a pick... They can throw in Telfair just to fill the backup PG opening for us.
Bradley, Telfair
Lee, Terry,
Pierce,Williams
KG,Green
Gortat, Wilcox, Collins
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I would like to see the team remain the same as it is now, with the only addition being Gortat. It would obviously mean that we lost a current player to get him but as long as Pierce and KG stay here, I'm OK with it (although I would like to keep Green too).
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I don't consider 2 more years "a lot of years left", and ideally "upgrade" is more of a roster notion, than a player vs. player notion. If you can grab a center of comparable talent, then that's an upgrade for the team.
You swap your starting PF for a backup C and that's a roster upgrade? Because Garnett isn't going back to PF, and you're still one big man short even after this swap.
What?
There are plenty of PF/C types, or at least PF with more length than Bass. And KG can very well move to PF if needed be. Don't see the problem with that at all.
Who is out there that makes around what Bass makes, has a team willing to take on salary, and wants to move a rotation caliber player?
No clue. Just saying, if the option is out there, you do it. If not, I'm content with staying pat.
If its not an option you can actually craft a scenario for then why bring it up? That tells me there is no such option.
I'd like to see Pierce + Melo + Picks for LBJ. That's the sort of deal that "upgrades" Bass, one that the other team wants no part of.
I'm sorry, but this is simply an absurd straw-man that has little to no relation to anything I've said in this thread.
Sorry if I'm not bothering by wasting my time to satisfy your curiousity by coming up with a specific scenario, that hinges on me knowing the specific plans of certain GMs and owners and how they envision how certain players fit into those plans, or don't fit for that matter.
Take the Paul Pierce for LBJ exaggeration out of it.
When you mentioned upgrading Bass, we asked who you thought was out there to upgrade in return for Bass + assets. You demurred that you don't know, we counter then that "upgrade" doesn't exist. That's it. Nothing ridiculous about that.
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KG & Pierce still in green and added big man depth.
Nothing major unless someone is gullible to take on Bass/Lee & filler for something useful.
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I don't consider 2 more years "a lot of years left", and ideally "upgrade" is more of a roster notion, than a player vs. player notion. If you can grab a center of comparable talent, then that's an upgrade for the team.
You swap your starting PF for a backup C and that's a roster upgrade? Because Garnett isn't going back to PF, and you're still one big man short even after this swap.
What?
There are plenty of PF/C types, or at least PF with more length than Bass. And KG can very well move to PF if needed be. Don't see the problem with that at all.
Who is out there that makes around what Bass makes, has a team willing to take on salary, and wants to move a rotation caliber player?
No clue. Just saying, if the option is out there, you do it. If not, I'm content with staying pat.
If its not an option you can actually craft a scenario for then why bring it up? That tells me there is no such option.
I'd like to see Pierce + Melo + Picks for LBJ. That's the sort of deal that "upgrades" Bass, one that the other team wants no part of.
I'm sorry, but this is simply an absurd straw-man that has little to no relation to anything I've said in this thread.
Sorry if I'm not bothering by wasting my time to satisfy your curiousity by coming up with a specific scenario, that hinges on me knowing the specific plans of certain GMs and owners and how they envision how certain players fit into those plans, or don't fit for that matter.
Take the Paul Pierce for LBJ exaggeration out of it.
When you mentioned upgrading Bass, we asked who you thought was out there to upgrade in return for Bass + assets. You demurred that you don't know, we counter then that "upgrade" doesn't exist. That's it. Nothing ridiculous about that.
I think the problem is you're putting too much emphasis on the word "upgrade", when I used it quite liberally, and expanded on it on an earlier post.
If the option isn't there, it isn't there. I allowed for that possibility, and am quite aware of how slim the chances of something getting done about it are (not going to bother to find a needle in the haystack, which probably doesn't even exist this year). It's not like I'm exhorting Ainge to move Bass, or he's a failure.
But if there's a player who we should try to move in our roster, it's Bass, and I already expanded on how the team can go about it to see if there's someone who could bite in the case there's someone available who could be a better fit. If there isn't, there isn't. The probability is that this season there's no such opportunity, and that's fine. Main problem is some of the would be possibilities have had their contracts Amnestied, so that makes it even longer-shot than it already is. Not losing sleep over it though.
Just an example, and I figure there's probably no interest, but someone like Jason Thompson is what Ainge could be looking into, and you attack it by going into the financials.
Sacramento, still a rebuilding team, Thompson is on a 5 year deal and Bass on 3. On that third year is when, other than Thompson, the last of their "big" contracts ends, so it fits in nicely on that regard, and it's when Cousins could become a free-agent. So Ainge has to explore how much does Sacramento value Thompson on that length of the contract vs. the additional cap space they may have that year, in what is looking like a very important year for the Kings... decisions wise. If you also wager that the Celtics will be in rebuild mode soon, then you figure that their picks might be worth more down the line, so that's a factor too. Maybe Ainge has no interest on a 5 year deal himself.
Maybe you try to take Chuck Hayes off their hands too, using Melo, Collins, Barbosa too. You're giving them a project/prospect on a cheaper contract (4 million per year cheaper) at a year longer than Hayes, with team options, who's being underused in Sacramento.
I'm not advocating that the above is a possibility, but just wanted to use a scenario for a quick example of you approach using Bass.
But that's the overall problem, we're dealing with a lot of subjective value here, rather than comparing talent vs. talent, which is a fairly easy exercise. And when you think on those tangent motivators, the trade doesn't look as far fetched as one would initially believe, then the wondering comes if there's someone out there willing to give a batter package. I don't think many would be lining up to get Hayes on a 3 year 5 mil per contract, and Thompson on a 5 year contract while giving a way a couple of future assets in the process. I can't read the minds of the Sacramento Kings though to know if those financial opportunities are good enough for them vs. talent.
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I'm starting to think Gortat can be had from Phoenix. That's a great move for Boston if it can be done cheaply. Problem is that we don't really have many assets that a young team like Phoenix would deem acceptable. Maybe they would take bass and a pick at this point (I wish)?
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I'm starting to think Gortat can be had from Phoenix. That's a great move for Boston if it can be done cheaply. Problem is that we don't really have many assets that a young team like Phoenix would deem acceptable. Maybe they would take bass and a pick at this point (I wish)?
Would love Gortat here.
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Bass FedEx outta here Express overnight...lol Rondo Gone too with Collins.
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& this...
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=aafh63u
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I'm starting to think Gortat can be had from Phoenix.
I think the Suns are in a position where they can wait for over a year for someone to be desperate if no one is willing to overpay for Gortat. I wonder if they would be willing to part with Channing Frye for cheap in the off-season.
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Looks like teams are dropping out of the Josh Smith Sweepstakes. Just was reading that the spurs are out of the running as well. Maybe they get desperate! Come on DANNY!
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I'd like to see Gortat (would be great if they just accept Fab Melo and picks and cash) as our Center.
No trades for the team as constructed.
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I'd like to see Gortat (would be great if they just accept Fab Melo and picks and cash) as our Center.
No trades for the team as constructed.
The money doesn't match up. You have to add a player (Bas or two more) We are over the cap and can't accept that much of a salary difference.