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Title: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: abbmack9 on February 18, 2013, 09:44:19 PM
He also says that Boston is active in other discussions. I wonder if another trade is in the works?  He says that the celtics are active on many trade fronts , also in discussions for josh smith.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: rondohondo on February 18, 2013, 09:46:58 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Boston's active on several fronts, including discussions on Josh Smith. Brooklyn is solely focused on making a Smith deal.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: abbmack9 on February 18, 2013, 09:55:15 PM
Yea I saw that also. Think the celtics would have a lot of interest in Hickson?
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Smokeeye123 on February 18, 2013, 09:56:05 PM
I waver on Josh Smith...He'd be an upgrade but not a MAX deserving upgrade.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: ScottHow on February 18, 2013, 09:57:14 PM
Count me as one that wants Smith in Boston
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 09:57:39 PM
Yea I saw that also. Think the celtics would have a lot of interest in Hickson?

A rental though... he's an athletic monster who is a 10/10 guy. He's gonna demand so much money this summer there is no way we keep him
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: barefacedmonk on February 18, 2013, 10:00:37 PM
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Latest deadline rumble: Boston exploring its Josh Smith options. The prob: Can't do it w/out Pierce. Just can't see Ainge sending PP to ATL

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KG ain't waiving no-trade clause to go to ATL. So Celts would have to part with iconic PP to get J-Smoove. So can't happen w/out more teams

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Hawks have convinced numerous teams that Josh Smith will be moved between now and Thursday 3 PM deadline. Question remains where exactly

- Marc Stein via Twitter
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Cman on February 18, 2013, 10:02:20 PM
In short: nothing new. Thanks Woj!
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: JSD on February 18, 2013, 10:02:42 PM
In short: nothing new. Thanks Woj!

Hah, pretty much.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: ScottHow on February 18, 2013, 10:02:59 PM
Do the hawks want Pierce or is he just guessing?
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 18, 2013, 10:05:17 PM
Feel like thats a guess with pierce. Don't see Ainge trading Pierce for Smith. But who knows. Really don't want Pierce to go anywhere. Hopefully we can talk the Hawks down.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 10:05:42 PM
Do the hawks want Pierce or is he just guessing?

It's irrelevant because Pierce ain't going and doesn't want to go t' ATL
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: ScottHow on February 18, 2013, 10:07:00 PM
Do the hawks want Pierce or is he just guessing?

It's irrelevant because Pierce ain't going and doesn't want to go t' ATL

Lol
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: PhoSita on February 18, 2013, 10:07:30 PM
KG to Clips
Bledsoe / Jordan to Hawks
Smith + pick to Celtics
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: abbmack9 on February 18, 2013, 10:09:07 PM
I get the josh smith discussuions. But what other "fronts" could the celtics be in on? Probably kg for Bledsoe and Jordan  still?
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 18, 2013, 10:09:58 PM
Forget that if we are blowing it up we better end up with Deandre Bledsoe and Smith. Thats a lot I know but if your trading the franchise cornerstone and a guy that was the main reason we have been good for 6 years.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Cman on February 18, 2013, 10:14:43 PM
KG to Clips
Bledsoe / Jordan to Hawks
Smith + pick to Celtics
I could see that, sans pick.
Or PP to Clips and everything else the same.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: csfansince60s on February 18, 2013, 10:24:47 PM
Maybe a smaller deal for Dalembert, although that ship may have sailed with his play of late, especially with the Bucks realizing what they have in Dalembert and his value as a backup/starter, depending on Sanders health.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 10:25:40 PM
Maybe a smaller deal for Dalembert, although that ship may have sailed with his play of late, especially with the Bucks realizing what they have in Dalembert and his value as a backup/starter, depending on Sanders health.

Bucks won't get past 1st round, who cares? They need more.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: rondohondo on February 18, 2013, 10:29:54 PM
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21 mins Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
One more: In Josh Smith derby, several teams believe Suns are determined for deal after missing on Eric Gordon and Rudy Gay in past months.

Gortat and dudley for smith?
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: gpap on February 18, 2013, 10:30:56 PM
KG to Clips
Bledsoe / Jordan to Hawks
Smith + pick to Celtics
I could see that, sans pick.
Or PP to Clips and everything else the same.

I doubt the Clips deal Bledsoe and Jordan for Pierce.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: dark19tower on February 18, 2013, 10:41:09 PM
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Latest deadline rumble: Boston exploring its Josh Smith options. The prob: Can't do it w/out Pierce. Just can't see Ainge sending PP to ATL

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KG ain't waiving no-trade clause to go to ATL. So Celts would have to part with iconic PP to get J-Smoove. So can't happen w/out more teams

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Hawks have convinced numerous teams that Josh Smith will be moved between now and Thursday 3 PM deadline. Question remains where exactly

- Marc Stein via Twitter


BUT Garnett said he would waive no trade clause if pierce was dealt...deal pierce for smith and send KG to clips for jordan and bledsoe
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 10:41:57 PM
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Latest deadline rumble: Boston exploring its Josh Smith options. The prob: Can't do it w/out Pierce. Just can't see Ainge sending PP to ATL

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KG ain't waiving no-trade clause to go to ATL. So Celts would have to part with iconic PP to get J-Smoove. So can't happen w/out more teams

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Hawks have convinced numerous teams that Josh Smith will be moved between now and Thursday 3 PM deadline. Question remains where exactly

- Marc Stein via Twitter


BUT Garnett said he would waive no trade clause if pierce was dealt...deal pierce for smith and send KG to clips for jordan and bledsoe

And there goes the next 5 seasons.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: ScottHow on February 18, 2013, 10:48:18 PM
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Latest deadline rumble: Boston exploring its Josh Smith options. The prob: Can't do it w/out Pierce. Just can't see Ainge sending PP to ATL

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KG ain't waiving no-trade clause to go to ATL. So Celts would have to part with iconic PP to get J-Smoove. So can't happen w/out more teams

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Hawks have convinced numerous teams that Josh Smith will be moved between now and Thursday 3 PM deadline. Question remains where exactly

- Marc Stein via Twitter


BUT Garnett said he would waive no trade clause if pierce was dealt...deal pierce for smith and send KG to clips for jordan and bledsoe

And there goes the next 5 seasons.

Bc somehow keeping KG and Pierce is good for the next 5 seasons
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: PhoSita on February 18, 2013, 10:53:41 PM
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21 mins Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
One more: In Josh Smith derby, several teams believe Suns are determined for deal after missing on Eric Gordon and Rudy Gay in past months.

Gortat and dudley for smith?

Makes very little sense for Atlanta.  Two decent role player starters on mid-sized contracts.

Not what a rebuilding team needs.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Geo123 on February 18, 2013, 10:56:56 PM
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Latest deadline rumble: Boston exploring its Josh Smith options. The prob: Can't do it w/out Pierce. Just can't see Ainge sending PP to ATL

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KG ain't waiving no-trade clause to go to ATL. So Celts would have to part with iconic PP to get J-Smoove. So can't happen w/out more teams

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Hawks have convinced numerous teams that Josh Smith will be moved between now and Thursday 3 PM deadline. Question remains where exactly

- Marc Stein via Twitter


BUT Garnett said he would waive no trade clause if pierce was dealt...deal pierce for smith and send KG to clips for jordan and bledsoe

That is not what KG said.  That is only a rumorand speculation.  I still go by his specific quote which was...
"
Marc J. Spears✔ @SpearsNBAYahoo


"When asked if there was any team or circumstance that he would drop his trade clause for, Kevin Garnett simply said: "No."
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Geo123 on February 18, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
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21 mins Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
One more: In Josh Smith derby, several teams believe Suns are determined for deal after missing on Eric Gordon and Rudy Gay in past months.

Gortat and dudley for smith?

Makes very little sense for Atlanta.  Two decent role player starters on mid-sized contracts.

Not what a rebuilding team needs.

Green is not considered a role player sorry...
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: abbmack9 on February 18, 2013, 10:58:23 PM
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21 mins Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
One more: In Josh Smith derby, several teams believe Suns are determined for deal after missing on Eric Gordon and Rudy Gay in past months.

Gortat and dudley for smith?

Makes very little sense for Atlanta.  Two decent role player starters on mid-sized contracts.

Not what a rebuilding team needs.

I feel like any offer from the celtics or nets would be better than gortat/Dudley
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Mencius on February 18, 2013, 11:01:48 PM
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21 mins Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
One more: In Josh Smith derby, several teams believe Suns are determined for deal after missing on Eric Gordon and Rudy Gay in past months.

Gortat and dudley for smith?

Makes very little sense for Atlanta.  Two decent role player starters on mid-sized contracts.

Not what a rebuilding team needs.

True.  Your suggestion of:

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KG to Clips
Bledsoe / Jordan to Hawks
Smith + pick to Celtics

... is one of the more sensible ideas putting together various rumors that I've seen.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Kane3387 on February 18, 2013, 11:02:36 PM
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21 mins Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
One more: In Josh Smith derby, several teams believe Suns are determined for deal after missing on Eric Gordon and Rudy Gay in past months.

Gortat and dudley for smith?

Makes very little sense for Atlanta.  Two decent role player starters on mid-sized contracts.

Not what a rebuilding team needs.

I feel like any offer from the celtics or nets would be better than gortat/Dudley

Pierce.

I would rather have Gortat and Dudley then Green and Bass.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 18, 2013, 11:35:23 PM
Trading pierce for smith would be solid for us.  Kg can remain at center, green can start at SF and smith at PF.  Solid
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: j804 on February 18, 2013, 11:39:32 PM
Trading pierce for smith would be solid for us.  Kg can remain at center, green can start at SF and smith at PF.  Solid
we won't do Pierce like that and if Danny tried to send him to ATL Paul let it be known already he wants to play to contend only he'd probably retire before reporting there
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 19, 2013, 12:01:58 AM
Trading pierce for smith would be solid for us.  Kg can remain at center, green can start at SF and smith at PF.  Solid
we won't do Pierce like that and if Danny tried to send him to ATL Paul let it be known already he wants to play to contend only he'd probably retire before reporting there

I would hope he refuses to report (and makes it known before any deal is final) to any non-contender, but would a team not in contention care? They likely want him as a semi-expiring contract, so by refusing to report they would save even more money. They would probably prefer he retire/refuse to report.

Ugh I hope DA doesn't do something stupid. Bring in bodies, let this team compete, and go for broke next season with an improved Rondo (he must be learning something from our success without him), Green (only getting better), Sully (more mobile), Bradley (more experience) and Lee (more comfortable). Add in a defender/rebounder to backup KG with the mini-MLE.

This team is full of warriors. Let them fight.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Edgar on February 19, 2013, 12:05:14 AM
This team is full of warriors. Let them fight.

my thoughts for this year but this can backfire bad
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: TripleOT on February 19, 2013, 12:10:31 AM
Trading pierce for smith would be solid for us.  Kg can remain at center, green can start at SF and smith at PF.  Solid
we won't do Pierce like that and if Danny tried to send him to ATL Paul let it be known already he wants to play to contend only he'd probably retire before reporting there

There's no way that Pierce is going to walk away from the $6m he has coming for the rest of this season, and the $4m he gets when the Hawks renounce him this summer.  That's $10m for playing 30 games plus a few in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 19, 2013, 12:16:23 AM
This team is full of warriors. Let them fight.

my thoughts for this year but this can backfire bad

Sure any move can backfire. But how bad can it really backfire though? Pierce and KG retire at the end of their contracts? We could trade off everyone and start literally from scratch. Bass would be an expiring in two years, as would Terry. Green and Lee would be valuable given their age, salary and talent. Rondo is movable anytime.

I'd rather risk prolonging the rebuild a season or two longer for the opportunity to see this group compete another season (or two or three - whenever KG and Pierce retire).

There simply isn't any trade out there that we get a centerpiece, potential franchise type of player. We are getting B grade talent for Celtic legends. No thanks.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: ManUp on February 19, 2013, 12:17:51 AM
Jeff Green picks and fillers. I can't see Danny trading Pierce to ATL that would be a huge slap to the face of PP. It would also be a really bad look around the league for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Evantime34 on February 19, 2013, 12:27:24 AM
I don't see the Celtics offering Pierce, to me after reading the tweets it sounds like speculation.

If the Celtics traded Pierce to a team with young assets and that team moved him to Atlanta would that make sense? Wouldn't the Celtics just take the young talent themselves?

To me, going after Josh Smith, we are offering some of the guys not named Rondo, KG or Pierce. Since it doesn't make sense for us to offer any of those guys I don't see us getting Smith.

 It seems like Boston is probably calling around to see if they can get any teams to give up assets for our ancillary pieces that Atlanta would want. This is highly unlikely
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Galeto on February 19, 2013, 12:29:46 AM
This team is full of warriors. Let them fight.

my thoughts for this year but this can backfire bad

Backfire from what?  If the Celtics allow KG and Pierce to retire before netting complementary, albeit very good, complementary players like Bledsoe and Jordan, their timeline for getting back into contention isn't going to be set back much, if at all.  Complementary players don't move the timeline or help you beat the rebuilding cycle.  The Celtics are still going to have to find future All-NBA players to get back to contender status and that means they're going to have to be bad again.

What makes me optimistic that the Celtics can rebuild through the draft is Ainge.  I have faith he's not going to waste high draft picks.  Before then, I don't want to abort perhaps the only meaningful stretch of basketball we might see in some time by blowing up this team right now.
Title: Re: Adrian wojnarowski " Boston's active on several fronts including Josh Smith
Post by: Galeto on February 19, 2013, 12:33:49 AM
I don't understand why Atlanta would be interested in Pierce anyway.  If they see him as an expiring deal, well how does that change from Smith's situation?  It would actually be worse because they would have to pay Pierce 4 million to go away.  It just doesn't make any sense.