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Title: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 18, 2013, 11:50:23 AM
Someone has to start, right?

Let's discuss teams here. What you like about it? What you don't like about others? What are you up to with the current lineup you have?

And, discuss...
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 11:51:36 AM
Suggestions for mine? Randolph/M. Gasol

I know I need wings... and a PG >.> at a cheap price
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 18, 2013, 11:52:26 AM
Suggestions for mine? Randolph/M. Gasol

I know I need wings... and a PG >.> at a cheap price

There are still a ton of solid PG's out there available. Most of them are relatively cheap. You have a solid big man foundation already.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 18, 2013, 11:59:23 AM
Suggestions for mine? Randolph/M. Gasol

I know I need wings... and a PG >.> at a cheap price

At the PG spot, I'd give some serious thought to the guy who already plays with those two.  Underrated, good defender, and his shooting ability gives ZBo and Gasol room to work inside.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 12:07:19 PM
Suggestions for mine? Randolph/M. Gasol

I know I need wings... and a PG >.> at a cheap price

At the PG spot, I'd give some serious thought to the guy who already plays with those two.  Underrated, good defender, and his shooting ability gives ZBo and Gasol room to work inside.

Too much $$
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 18, 2013, 12:10:53 PM
Suggestions for mine? Randolph/M. Gasol

I know I need wings... and a PG >.> at a cheap price

At the PG spot, I'd give some serious thought to the guy who already plays with those two.  Underrated, good defender, and his shooting ability gives ZBo and Gasol room to work inside.

Too much $$

Then I'd say find a wing scorer you're willing to spend on - most of the cheaper PGs will still be around in the 2nd.

Or just go bananas and get a 3rd high-caliber big and just pummel teams down low, or flip one of the 3 later when options get low and teams get desperate.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 18, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
Suggestions for mine? Randolph/M. Gasol

I know I need wings... and a PG >.> at a cheap price

At the PG spot, I'd give some serious thought to the guy who already plays with those two.  Underrated, good defender, and his shooting ability gives ZBo and Gasol room to work inside.

Too much $$

Then I'd say find a wing scorer you're willing to spend on - most of the cheaper PGs will still be around in the 2nd.

Or just go bananas and get a 3rd high-caliber big and just pummel teams down low, or flip one of the 3 later when options get low and teams get desperate.

I go with wing scorer (if I were Memphis).
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 18, 2013, 12:15:09 PM
Got a starting three of Lawson Beal and Faried. A ton of youth and cap room do I go for big players now or keep developing a young core with cap room that will win in the future
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 18, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
Got a starting three of Lawson Beal and Faried. A ton of youth and cap room do I go for big players now or keep developing a young core with cap room that will win in the future

I'd just go BPA as long as the BP isn't an older guy.  You'll have to spend some salary somewhere since we have a floor, but a lot of guys will drop due to being overpaid.  You've got the room to take those high $ players earlier or take cheaper guys now and scoop up some freefallers later.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 18, 2013, 12:18:33 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 1

PG - TBD
SG - Andre Iguodala
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

A lot of money tied up unfortunately.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 18, 2013, 12:26:00 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 1

PG - TBD
SG - Andre Iguodala
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

A lot of money tied up unfortunately.
someone that can put the ball in the net but also isnt a liability defensively  get two of those and its scary
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 18, 2013, 12:28:44 PM
What do people think the new-look Washington Wizards?

Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, and Nikola Pekovic.  No current 2nd-rounder (something I'm working to rectify) but a pile of picks in the third and fourth rounds.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 18, 2013, 12:30:23 PM
Dallas Mavericks

PG: Rubio
SG: Mayo
SF: Pierce
PF: Nowitzki
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 18, 2013, 12:33:55 PM
What do people think the new-look Washington Wizards?

Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, and Nikola Pekovic.  No current 2nd-rounder (something I'm working to rectify) but a pile of picks in the third and fourth rounds.

I would say the big thing is finding in that pile of picks you have is finding and athletic defending big man
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 18, 2013, 12:36:06 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 1

PG - TBD
SG - Andre Iguodala
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

A lot of money tied up unfortunately.

I am intrigued by the idea of going small with that group. Sliding Deng over to PF and Iggy to SF. Getting more jump-shooting and dribble penetration into the lineup in the process.

It could be tough getting enough offense together if going with a more conventional lineup. Anyways, just an idea. Something to consider.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 12:36:47 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 1

PG - TBD
SG - Andre Iguodala
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

A lot of money tied up unfortunately.

I am intrigued by the idea of going small with that group. Sliding Deng over to PF and Iggy to SF. Getting more jump-shooting and dribble penetration into the lineup in the process.

It could be tough getting enough offense together if going with a more conventional lineup. Anyways, just an idea. Something to consider.

And getting murdered on the glass
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 18, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
From watching Deng as a PF im not convinced thats the right way to go

Great wing defender but his offense just isnt the same in the post as it is when he plays against 3's
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 18, 2013, 12:38:32 PM
Milwaukee Bucks after 1

PG - Brandon Jennings
SG - Monta Ellis
SF -
PF - David Lee
C -

Looking to move one of the guards but open to suggestions beyond that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 12:41:39 PM
Warriors

PG Curry
SG Thompson
SF  Gallinari


55.88 million left to use.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 18, 2013, 12:42:06 PM
What do people think the new-look Washington Wizards?

Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, and Nikola Pekovic.  No current 2nd-rounder (something I'm working to rectify) but a pile of picks in the third and fourth rounds.

I don't like Pau Gasol and Pekovic together.

It is the same spacing issues offensively that Pau Gasol has suffered through with Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum. Both players want the same real estate (low post touches) and Pekovic won't play away from the basket so Pau Gasol will be forced to spend an inordinate amount of time in the high post shooting jumpers. Their individual and combined lack of quickness/mobility defensively will be a negative too.

I love Pau Gasol and I fully agree that he has some top seasons left in him. I like Pekovic quite a bit too but I don't like the two of them together. I don't think they fit well.

Someone like Millsap would've been perfect for Pau Gasol and Tony Parker.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 12:42:59 PM
Dallas Mavericks

PG: Rubio
SG: Mayo
SF: Pierce
PF: Nowitzki


Set up.  No need to make a big move at this point.  Just wait and grab the best dirty job big on the board.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 18, 2013, 12:44:24 PM
Dallas Mavericks

PG: Rubio
SG: Mayo
SF: Pierce
PF: Nowitzki


Set up.  No need to make a big move at this point.  Just wait and grab the best dirty job big on the board.

Needs a defensive center with quickness and mobility to protect Dirk.

No slow-footed plodders.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 18, 2013, 12:46:27 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 1

PG - TBD
SG - Andre Iguodala
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

A lot of money tied up unfortunately.

I am intrigued by the idea of going small with that group. Sliding Deng over to PF and Iggy to SF. Getting more jump-shooting and dribble penetration into the lineup in the process.

It could be tough getting enough offense together if going with a more conventional lineup. Anyways, just an idea. Something to consider.

And getting murdered on the glass

They would need to give up some rebounding but if they can get a large enough boost offensively, it may be worth doing so.

Luol Deng will give them a close to average rebounder at PF. Iggy is a plus rebounder. Noah is one of the best rebounders in the league. If Chicago have solid rebounders in the backcourt, they will still be a middle of the pack or better rebounding team.

They wouldn't get murdered on the boards.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 12:47:56 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 1

PG - TBD
SG - Andre Iguodala
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

A lot of money tied up unfortunately.

I am intrigued by the idea of going small with that group. Sliding Deng over to PF and Iggy to SF. Getting more jump-shooting and dribble penetration into the lineup in the process.

It could be tough getting enough offense together if going with a more conventional lineup. Anyways, just an idea. Something to consider.

And getting murdered on the glass

They would need to give up some rebounding but if they can get a large enough boost offensively, it may be worth doing so.

Luol Deng will give them a close to average rebounder at PF. Iggy is a plus rebounder. Noah is one of the best rebounders in the league. If Chicago have solid rebounders in the backcourt, they will still be a middle of the pack or better rebounding team.

They wouldn't get murdered on the boards.

I don't know about Luol Deng boxing out PFs, but OK
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 18, 2013, 01:07:04 PM
What do people think the new-look Washington Wizards?

Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, and Nikola Pekovic.  No current 2nd-rounder (something I'm working to rectify) but a pile of picks in the third and fourth rounds.

I don't like Pau Gasol and Pekovic together.

It is the same spacing issues offensively that Pau Gasol has suffered through with Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum. Both players want the same real estate (low post touches) and Pekovic won't play away from the basket so Pau Gasol will be forced to spend an inordinate amount of time in the high post shooting jumpers. Their individual and combined lack of quickness/mobility defensively will be a negative too.

I love Pau Gasol and I fully agree that he has some top seasons left in him. I like Pekovic quite a bit too but I don't like the two of them together. I don't think they fit well.

Someone like Millsap would've been perfect for Pau Gasol and Tony Parker.

I like Gasol playing at the PF spot a lot more than at center.  I think he lacks strength as a center and can be bullied.  That's why I wanted to pair him with a bruiser like Pek - let somebody else play bully ball so he doesn't have to. 

On offense, the low post is Gasol's territory.  I actually don't like Pekovic as much down there.  In the post, I see him as a brute-force player without a lot of skill.  I like him more as a super-garbage man - set picks, be mobile, cut, crash the glass hard.  He's an excellent offensive rebounder, and combined with Gasol's interior passing ability he'll still get his touches.  But I didn't draft him to be a low post iso kind of player. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 18, 2013, 01:10:00 PM
This sucks. I've been spending my president's day watching New Girl, (hating it but the entire second season is on Hulu), and reading stuff on Liberty Ballers about Andrew Bynum.

Its kind of a weird mix between desperate optimism and attempted pragmatic desperate optimism.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2013/2/6/3939558/philadelphia-76ers-andrew-bynum-knee-injury-update

PARRRTAYYYYYYY
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 01:12:01 PM
This sucks. I've been spending my president's day watching New Girl, (hating it but the entire second season is on Hulu), and reading stuff on Liberty Ballers about Andrew Bynum.

Its kind of a weird mix between desperate optimism and attempted pragmatic desperate optimism.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2013/2/6/3939558/philadelphia-76ers-andrew-bynum-knee-injury-update

PARRRTAYYYYYYY

Not our fault you traded your 1st round pick for a chronically injured center, who likes smoochy nootchies.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 18, 2013, 01:13:04 PM
This sucks. I've been spending my president's day watching New Girl, (hating it but the entire second season is on Hulu), and reading stuff on Liberty Ballers about Andrew Bynum.

Its kind of a weird mix between desperate optimism and attempted pragmatic desperate optimism.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2013/2/6/3939558/philadelphia-76ers-andrew-bynum-knee-injury-update

PARRRTAYYYYYYY

Hey, New Girlnis cool. Zooey is great.

Not sure about Bynum though as to how great he is.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 18, 2013, 01:14:54 PM
What do people think the new-look Washington Wizards?

Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, and Nikola Pekovic.  No current 2nd-rounder (something I'm working to rectify) but a pile of picks in the third and fourth rounds.

I don't like Pau Gasol and Pekovic together.

It is the same spacing issues offensively that Pau Gasol has suffered through with Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum. Both players want the same real estate (low post touches) and Pekovic won't play away from the basket so Pau Gasol will be forced to spend an inordinate amount of time in the high post shooting jumpers. Their individual and combined lack of quickness/mobility defensively will be a negative too.

I love Pau Gasol and I fully agree that he has some top seasons left in him. I like Pekovic quite a bit too but I don't like the two of them together. I don't think they fit well.

Someone like Millsap would've been perfect for Pau Gasol and Tony Parker.

I like Gasol playing at the PF spot a lot more than at center.  I think he lacks strength as a center and can be bullied.  That's why I wanted to pair him with a bruiser like Pek - let somebody else play bully ball so he doesn't have to. 

On offense, the low post is Gasol's territory.  I actually don't like Pekovic as much down there.  In the post, I see him as a brute-force player without a lot of skill.  I like him more as a super-garbage man - set picks, be mobile, cut, crash the glass hard.  He's an excellent offensive rebounder, and combined with Gasol's interior passing ability he'll still get his touches.  But I didn't draft him to be a low post iso kind of player.

I like Pau Gasol at either PF or C.

If at PF, I like Pau playing alongside a center who is comfortable in the high post. Someone who can vacate that space in the paint and allow Pau to take advantage of his post game against smaller defenders. Like Marc Gasol does for him on the Spanish National team (or for Z-Bo in Memphis).

Pekovic won't do that for Pau. He wants to be in the paint smacking people around.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 18, 2013, 01:18:23 PM
What do people think the new-look Washington Wizards?

Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, and Nikola Pekovic.  No current 2nd-rounder (something I'm working to rectify) but a pile of picks in the third and fourth rounds.

I don't like Pau Gasol and Pekovic together.

It is the same spacing issues offensively that Pau Gasol has suffered through with Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum. Both players want the same real estate (low post touches) and Pekovic won't play away from the basket so Pau Gasol will be forced to spend an inordinate amount of time in the high post shooting jumpers. Their individual and combined lack of quickness/mobility defensively will be a negative too.

I love Pau Gasol and I fully agree that he has some top seasons left in him. I like Pekovic quite a bit too but I don't like the two of them together. I don't think they fit well.

Someone like Millsap would've been perfect for Pau Gasol and Tony Parker.

I like Gasol playing at the PF spot a lot more than at center.  I think he lacks strength as a center and can be bullied.  That's why I wanted to pair him with a bruiser like Pek - let somebody else play bully ball so he doesn't have to. 

On offense, the low post is Gasol's territory.  I actually don't like Pekovic as much down there.  In the post, I see him as a brute-force player without a lot of skill.  I like him more as a super-garbage man - set picks, be mobile, cut, crash the glass hard.  He's an excellent offensive rebounder, and combined with Gasol's interior passing ability he'll still get his touches.  But I didn't draft him to be a low post iso kind of player.

I like Pau Gasol at either PF or C.

If at PF, I like Pau playing alongside a center who is comfortable in the high post. Someone who can vacate that space in the paint and allow Pau to take advantage of his post game against smaller defenders. Like Marc Gasol does for him on the Spanish National team (or for Z-Bo in Memphis).

Pekovic won't do that for Pau. He wants to be in the paint smacking people around.

What about a guy like Stoudemire?  Do you think he'd fit with Pau?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 18, 2013, 01:26:42 PM
What do people think the new-look Washington Wizards?

Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, and Nikola Pekovic.  No current 2nd-rounder (something I'm working to rectify) but a pile of picks in the third and fourth rounds.

I don't like Pau Gasol and Pekovic together.

It is the same spacing issues offensively that Pau Gasol has suffered through with Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum. Both players want the same real estate (low post touches) and Pekovic won't play away from the basket so Pau Gasol will be forced to spend an inordinate amount of time in the high post shooting jumpers. Their individual and combined lack of quickness/mobility defensively will be a negative too.

I love Pau Gasol and I fully agree that he has some top seasons left in him. I like Pekovic quite a bit too but I don't like the two of them together. I don't think they fit well.

Someone like Millsap would've been perfect for Pau Gasol and Tony Parker.

I like Gasol playing at the PF spot a lot more than at center.  I think he lacks strength as a center and can be bullied.  That's why I wanted to pair him with a bruiser like Pek - let somebody else play bully ball so he doesn't have to. 

On offense, the low post is Gasol's territory.  I actually don't like Pekovic as much down there.  In the post, I see him as a brute-force player without a lot of skill.  I like him more as a super-garbage man - set picks, be mobile, cut, crash the glass hard.  He's an excellent offensive rebounder, and combined with Gasol's interior passing ability he'll still get his touches.  But I didn't draft him to be a low post iso kind of player.

I like Pau Gasol at either PF or C.

If at PF, I like Pau playing alongside a center who is comfortable in the high post. Someone who can vacate that space in the paint and allow Pau to take advantage of his post game against smaller defenders. Like Marc Gasol does for him on the Spanish National team (or for Z-Bo in Memphis).

Pekovic won't do that for Pau. He wants to be in the paint smacking people around.

What about a guy like Stoudemire?  Do you think he'd fit with Pau?

Yep, very well.

I also think that power forward from Indiana would work very well with Pau.

Plus, a bigger more defensive capable option, the Wizards big man who joined from Denver would also be very good alongside Pau.

All three players would be deadly in the pick and roll game with Tony Parker too.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 18, 2013, 01:35:11 PM
Yep, very well.

I also think that power forward from Indiana would work very well with Pau.

Plus, a bigger more defensive capable option, the Wizards big man who joined from Denver would also be very good alongside Pau.

All three players would be deadly in the pick and roll game with Tony Parker too.

Came really close to drafting that guy on the Wizards.  He has played well in limited minutes for them this year.  Ultimately, I was scared off by the fact that he can't stay on the court. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 01:35:53 PM
How does this look?

PG: Greivis Vásquez (13.9ppg | 9.4apg | 4.6rpg)
$1,191,240 - $2,150,188 - $3,203,780

PF: Zach Randolph (15.6ppg | 11.5apg | 0.5bpg)
$16,500,000 - $17,800,000 - $16,500,000

C: Marc Gasol (13.8ppg | 7.8rpg | 1.7bpg)
$13,891,359 - $14,860,523 - $15,829,688   
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 18, 2013, 01:45:48 PM
How does this look?

PG: Greivis Vásquez (13.9ppg | 9.4apg | 4.6rpg)
$1,191,240 - $2,150,188 - $3,203,780

PF: Zach Randolph (15.6ppg | 11.5apg | 0.5bpg)
$16,500,000 - $17,800,000 - $16,500,000

C: Marc Gasol (13.8ppg | 7.8rpg | 1.7bpg)
$13,891,359 - $14,860,523 - $15,829,688

Not crazy about Vasquez.  Would have much preferred Jeff Teague, if you wanted somebody cheap (although his deal is expiring... not sure how much we're taking that into consideration).  Still think Mike Conley fits that team well and is pretty inexpensive for what he provides. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 01:49:46 PM
How does this look?

PG: Greivis Vásquez (13.9ppg | 9.4apg | 4.6rpg)
$1,191,240 - $2,150,188 - $3,203,780

PF: Zach Randolph (15.6ppg | 11.5apg | 0.5bpg)
$16,500,000 - $17,800,000 - $16,500,000

C: Marc Gasol (13.8ppg | 7.8rpg | 1.7bpg)
$13,891,359 - $14,860,523 - $15,829,688

Not crazy about Vasquez.  Would have much preferred Jeff Teague, if you wanted somebody cheap (although his deal is expiring... not sure how much we're taking that into consideration).  Still think Mike Conley fits that team well and is pretty inexpensive for what he provides.

He's averaging the numbers Rondo had the year before he got $44 mil, and still has two more years on contract
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 18, 2013, 01:51:26 PM
How does this look?

PG: Greivis Vásquez (13.9ppg | 9.4apg | 4.6rpg)
$1,191,240 - $2,150,188 - $3,203,780

PF: Zach Randolph (15.6ppg | 11.5apg | 0.5bpg)
$16,500,000 - $17,800,000 - $16,500,000

C: Marc Gasol (13.8ppg | 7.8rpg | 1.7bpg)
$13,891,359 - $14,860,523 - $15,829,688

Not crazy about Vasquez.  Would have much preferred Jeff Teague, if you wanted somebody cheap (although his deal is expiring... not sure how much we're taking that into consideration).  Still think Mike Conley fits that team well and is pretty inexpensive for what he provides.

He's averaging the numbers Rondo had the year before he got $44 mil, and still has two more years on contract

I see him as a case of "somebody has to get the stats" on a very bad team that has been without Eric Gordon for most of the year.  14 points on 13 shots doesn't impress me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 01:52:45 PM
How does this look?

PG: Greivis Vásquez (13.9ppg | 9.4apg | 4.6rpg)
$1,191,240 - $2,150,188 - $3,203,780

PF: Zach Randolph (15.6ppg | 11.5apg | 0.5bpg)
$16,500,000 - $17,800,000 - $16,500,000

C: Marc Gasol (13.8ppg | 7.8rpg | 1.7bpg)
$13,891,359 - $14,860,523 - $15,829,688

Not crazy about Vasquez.  Would have much preferred Jeff Teague, if you wanted somebody cheap (although his deal is expiring... not sure how much we're taking that into consideration).  Still think Mike Conley fits that team well and is pretty inexpensive for what he provides.

He's averaging the numbers Rondo had the year before he got $44 mil, and still has two more years on contract

I see him as a case of "somebody has to get the stats" on a very bad team that has been without Eric Gordon for most of the year.  14 points on 13 shots doesn't impress me.

But he averages third most assists in the league. 9.4, he should have fun passing to Gasol and ZBo. FG% still going upwards, young player who has rising stock
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 18, 2013, 01:54:16 PM
Not quite sold on Vasquez yet especially with the other PG's available. He wouldve been a great option had he fallen but I do think some of those numbers are just because he happens to bring the ball up and somehow NBA teams will score regardless
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 18, 2013, 01:55:44 PM
I see him as a case of "somebody has to get the stats" on a very bad team that has been without Eric Gordon for most of the year.  14 points on 13 shots doesn't impress me.

But he averages third most assists in the league. 9.4, he should have fun passing to Gasol and ZBo.

Except Vasquez won't be running the offense in Memphis.  The Grizzlies run much more through ZBo and Marc Gasol than they do a traditional PG.  Vasquez's passing ability is diminished on that team. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 01:56:58 PM
I see him as a case of "somebody has to get the stats" on a very bad team that has been without Eric Gordon for most of the year.  14 points on 13 shots doesn't impress me.

But he averages third most assists in the league. 9.4, he should have fun passing to Gasol and ZBo.

Except Vasquez won't be running the offense in Memphis.  The Grizzlies run much more through ZBo and Marc Gasol than they do a traditional PG.  Vasquez's passing ability is diminished on that team.

Looks like we'll just have to lead the league in assisting then.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 18, 2013, 01:57:44 PM
Vasquez isn't as great as his stats make him out to be.

The guy is a poor shooter, poor finisher,and a poor defender.

Bad pick for Memphis.  Way better options available at that spot.  Very disappointing.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 18, 2013, 02:01:48 PM
PG:
SG: Batum 15.3 ppg, 5.9 Rpg, 4.9 apg
SG: Granger 18.7 ppg, 5 Rpg, 1.8 apg (11-12)
PF: Millsap  15.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.6 apg
C:  Horford  16.2 ppg, 9.8 rpg. 3.2 apg

All under 30 years old.  Love the balanced attack that these guys represent.  Also love the defense and team first mentality that these guys have.  Not too many headcases here.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 18, 2013, 02:05:19 PM
PG:
SG: Batum 15.3 ppg, 5.9 Rpg, 4.9 apg
SG: Granger 18.7 ppg, 5 Rpg, 1.8 apg (11-12)
PF: Millsap  15.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.6 apg
C:  Horford  16.2 ppg, 9.8 rpg. 3.2 apg

All under 30 years old.  Love the balanced attack that these guys represent.  Also love the defense and team first mentality that these guys have.  Not too many headcases here.

The thing I like about your team is that they can play a 'blue collar' style but then produce lots of exciting highlights at the same time.

Great combo of players.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 18, 2013, 02:14:07 PM
PG:
SG: Batum 15.3 ppg, 5.9 Rpg, 4.9 apg
SG: Granger 18.7 ppg, 5 Rpg, 1.8 apg (11-12)
PF: Millsap  15.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.6 apg
C:  Horford  16.2 ppg, 9.8 rpg. 3.2 apg

All under 30 years old.  Love the balanced attack that these guys represent.  Also love the defense and team first mentality that these guys have.  Not too many headcases here.

The thing I like about your team is that they can play a 'blue collar' style but then produce lots of exciting highlights at the same time.

Great combo of players.

Thanks, thats what I was going for since I knew I would get a top 10 player in the league.  Go for a grind it out type of game.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 02:14:20 PM
Brooklyn Nets ($83.11m)

PG:
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)- 26.8 PPG//5.3 RPG//5.6 APG//.566 TS%
SF: Kawhi Leonard ($1.81m)- 10.5 PPG//5.5 RPG//.402 3P%/.608 TS%
PF:
  C: Brook Lopez ($13.67m)- 19.0 PPG//7.4 RPG//2.2 BLK//.556 TS%

Total salary: $43.33
Remaining salary: $39.78m
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 18, 2013, 02:15:02 PM
Brooklyn Nets ($83.11m)

PG:
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)- 26.8 PPG//5.3 RPG//5.6 APG//.566 TS%
SF: Kawhi Leonard ($1.81m)- 10.5 PPG//5.5 RPG//.402 3P%/.608 TS%
PF:
  C: Brook Lopez ($13.67m)- 19.0 PPG//7.4 RPG//2.2 BLK//.556 TS%

Total salary: $43.33
Remaining salary: $39.78m

Ha, we have roughly the same salary, you have 39 mill remaining I have 25 mill.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 18, 2013, 02:26:12 PM
PG:
SG: Batum 15.3 ppg, 5.9 Rpg, 4.9 apg
SG: Granger 18.7 ppg, 5 Rpg, 1.8 apg (11-12)
PF: Millsap  15.1 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.6 apg
C:  Horford  16.2 ppg, 9.8 rpg. 3.2 apg

All under 30 years old.  Love the balanced attack that these guys represent.  Also love the defense and team first mentality that these guys have.  Not too many headcases here.

The thing I like about your team is that they can play a 'blue collar' style but then produce lots of exciting highlights at the same time.

Great combo of players.

Thanks, thats what I was going for since I knew I would get a top 10 player in the league.  Go for a grind it out type of game.

Also, the shortest player on my team so far is 6'8".  whoever is defending us will enjoy that im sure.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 18, 2013, 02:26:35 PM
still dont truly understand this but oh well.... I guess at this point I'm more worried about getting above the cap floor but having that much extra cash must be nice
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 18, 2013, 02:29:30 PM
still dont truly understand this but oh well.... I guess at this point I'm more worried about getting above the cap floor but having that much extra cash must be nice

What are you having trouble understanding? 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 18, 2013, 02:40:39 PM
I just didnt know how teams actual cap carries over into a pick two draft of players when that issue and disparity could've been fixed but i guess its just another thing to take into account when choosing keepers
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 18, 2013, 04:58:14 PM
Portland

PG: Lillard
SG
SF
PF: David West
C: Lamarcus Aldridge

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 18, 2013, 05:01:12 PM
5- Larry Sanders
4- Blake Griffin
3-
2-
1- Chris Paul
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 05:18:32 PM
Lakers

PG: Deron Williams
SG:
SF:                 (Andrei Kirilenko)
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Dwight Howard
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 05:21:26 PM
5- Larry Sanders
4- Blake Griffin
3-
2-
1- Chris Paul

Needs good spot-up shooters and three-point threats for spacing

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 18, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
Wall
Bradley
Hayward
Gibson
?

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 05:34:45 PM
Wall
Bradley
Hayward
Gibson
?

Thoughts?


Setup to take on bad contracts to get extra 1sts.

I see the worst team in the NBA. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 05:35:29 PM
Lakers

PG: Deron Williams
SG:
SF:                 (Andrei Kirilenko)
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Dwight Howard


This year, not so much.



But boy, next year, if they bounce back and play up to their talent, watch out.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 05:36:38 PM
5- Larry Sanders
4- Blake Griffin
3-
2-
1- Chris Paul


Short.


Going to be a good team because of the two keeper but I think Griffin would be better suited next to a bigger big man (though I love how Sanders is playing)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 05:36:48 PM
PG: Greivis Vásquez (13.9ppg | 9.4apg | 4.6rpg)
$1,191,240 - $2,150,188 - $3,203,780

SG:

SF:

PF: Zach Randolph (15.6ppg | 11.5apg | 0.5bpg)
$16,500,000 - $17,800,000 - $16,500,000

C: Marc Gasol (13.8ppg | 7.8rpg | 1.7bpg)
$13,891,359 - $14,860,523 - $15,829,688

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 05:38:10 PM
still dont truly understand this but oh well.... I guess at this point I'm more worried about getting above the cap floor but having that much extra cash must be nice

What are you having trouble understanding?


Can we call them the "B-Team"?



A lot of talented guys, sometimes all-stars, but no A-list talent to carry them over.  (even the Detroit team had an A-list talent who liked to play as a B star)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 05:38:48 PM
PG: Greivis Vásquez (13.9ppg | 9.4apg | 4.6rpg)
$1,191,240 - $2,150,188 - $3,203,780

SG:

SF:

PF: Zach Randolph (15.6ppg | 11.5apg | 0.5bpg)
$16,500,000 - $17,800,000 - $16,500,000

C: Marc Gasol (13.8ppg | 7.8rpg | 1.7bpg)
$13,891,359 - $14,860,523 - $15,829,688

Thoughts?


I think their actual PG would have been better.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 05:39:15 PM

Warriors

PG Curry
SG Thompson
SF  Gallinari


55.88 million left to use.


Trying this one again.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 05:40:06 PM
Lakers

PG: Deron Williams
SG:
SF:                 (Andrei Kirilenko)
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Dwight Howard


This year, not so much.



But boy, next year, if they bounce back and play up to their talent, watch out.
Yeah, I can understand some pessimism based on the way Williams and Howard have performed this year fighting most of the year through nagging injuries, but I still wouldn't right them off come late season or playoffs as that is still months away and both could heal.

An off season without back surgery or playing in the Olympics will probably be good for both though and next year, I would expect huge things.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 05:40:57 PM
PG: Greivis Vásquez (13.9ppg | 9.4apg | 4.6rpg)
$1,191,240 - $2,150,188 - $3,203,780

SG:

SF:

PF: Zach Randolph (15.6ppg | 11.5apg | 0.5bpg)
$16,500,000 - $17,800,000 - $16,500,000

C: Marc Gasol (13.8ppg | 7.8rpg | 1.7bpg)
$13,891,359 - $14,860,523 - $15,829,688

Thoughts?


I think their actual PG would have been better.

He can't assist or rebound nearly as well though. I can see my team leading the league in rebounding and assisting. ;D Who else should I look to add now that I have Mr. Vasquez?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 05:43:54 PM

Warriors

PG Curry
SG Thompson
SF  Gallinari


55.88 million left to use.


Trying this one again.
The shooting and long range bombing are off the chart great. The defense.......

Still, they are young and with some bigs that can rebound and defend and a bench that can score, the start of something good.

I got to tell you though, having an Avery Bradley type to start and bring Klay Thompson off the bench in the shooter/scorer/6th man role would absolutely make your back court dynamic.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 05:46:53 PM
PG: Greivis Vásquez (13.9ppg | 9.4apg | 4.6rpg)
$1,191,240 - $2,150,188 - $3,203,780

SG:

SF:

PF: Zach Randolph (15.6ppg | 11.5apg | 0.5bpg)
$16,500,000 - $17,800,000 - $16,500,000

C: Marc Gasol (13.8ppg | 7.8rpg | 1.7bpg)
$13,891,359 - $14,860,523 - $15,829,688

Thoughts?


I think their actual PG would have been better.
I actually suggested this to CC before the draft started(or close to it). He wasn't liking the idea.

Say what you want but having your top three guys and keeping your familiarity with each other is huge in my book, especially if you are a title contender in real life.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 18, 2013, 05:48:10 PM

Warriors

PG Curry
SG Thompson
SF  Gallinari


55.88 million left to use.


Trying this one again.

Amazing offense and shooting. Not sure on the D.

Would look for a low post scorer in round 2. A defensive wing soon too that could possibly start.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 05:49:29 PM
Any thoughts on my Nets?

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 18, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
Lakers

PG: Deron Williams
SG:
SF:                 (Andrei Kirilenko)
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Dwight Howard

Dwight and Williams need to bounce back but still a solid team this year. Next year, quite possibly a deadly contender.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 18, 2013, 05:54:13 PM
OKC

Durant and Westbrook...

Sitting on the last pick but willing to use that in a trade for a big.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 18, 2013, 05:58:54 PM
Looking for feedback on Portland.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 05:59:53 PM

Warriors

PG Curry
SG Thompson
SF  Gallinari


55.88 million left to use.


Trying this one again.

Amazing offense and shooting. Not sure on the D.

Would look for a low post scorer in round 2. A defensive wing soon too that could possibly start.

Definitely looking big.  Defensive wings can wait.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 18, 2013, 06:07:55 PM

Warriors

PG Curry
SG Thompson
SF  Gallinari


55.88 million left to use.


Trying this one again.

Why didn't you keep David Lee?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 18, 2013, 06:12:02 PM
Wall
Bradley
Hayward
Gibson
?

Thoughts?


Setup to take on bad contracts to get extra 1sts.

I see the worst team in the NBA.

I'm rebuilding big time, so I'm glad you said this.

I'm banking on development from Wall and Bradley.  If they can develop jumpers, I think I can have a top backcourt.  The defense is there, no question, but offensively, we're going to struggle mightily.

Hayward and Gibson are good glue guys who bring defense.  Both are great rebounders for their positions, and if I can find a 5 who can step out and shoot the mid-range jumper, it opens up lanes for Wall to drive.

In three or four years, my team could be very, very good.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 18, 2013, 06:13:57 PM
Thoughts on my young core
Lawson
Beal
Faried
and a ton of cap room
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 06:17:12 PM
Looking for feedback on Portland.
Really like the LMA and West pairing. I know LMA plays mostly PF but I think he's big and strong enough to hold down the center position and actually has great stats as a center.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 06:52:42 PM

Warriors

PG Curry
SG Thompson
SF  Gallinari


55.88 million left to use.


Trying this one again.

Why didn't you keep David Lee?


Just not a huge fan.  He plays better as a small C then a PF, but I don't like playing the small C type ball. 


Throw in his contract, I went with the good shooting, showing good improvement in his second season SG.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 18, 2013, 07:03:21 PM
Toronto Raptors:
C:
PF: Serge Ibaka $2,253,061
SF: Rudy Gay $16,460,532
SG:
PG: Kyle Lowry $5,750,000

$45.8 mil left, and the 3rd pick in each round from here on. Thoughts? Concerns? Suggestions?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 18, 2013, 07:05:28 PM
how about mine?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 18, 2013, 07:07:10 PM
how about mine?

Two rebounding machines but you will need to get some high value with those 2 second rounders
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 18, 2013, 07:10:01 PM
how about mine?

Two rebounding machines but you will need to get some high value with those 2 second rounders

looking for young assets with an eye to the future. Need a defensive wing and a decent young pg
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 18, 2013, 07:10:57 PM
Al Jefferson         $15,000,000
Derrick Favors        $4,753,320
Derrick Rose         $16,400,000
Pick No.2 Tomorrow   


Used 36.2
Remaining Around 37.0 or something like that
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 18, 2013, 07:11:17 PM
Detroit:

C: Drummond  2.3
PF: Monroe  3.2
SF: Chandler Parsons .88
SG:
PG:

64 Million in cap space.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 18, 2013, 07:14:02 PM
Detroit:

C: Drummond  2.3
PF: Monroe  3.2
SF: Chandler Parsons .88
SG:
PG:

64 Million in cap space.

So much cap room you could go back and fill it up with Agent Zero's contract
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 07:39:01 PM
Looking for feedback on Portland.

LMA and West is smooth.  Nice tandem!

Lilard is a promising young guard.  Need a wing with size, badly.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 07:45:16 PM
Detroit:

C: Drummond  2.3
PF: Monroe  3.2
SF: Chandler Parsons .88
SG:
PG:

64 Million in cap space.
I really like this as young team for the future, solid core to start with.

The problem I see potentially, is reaching the salary floor without taking on too many long-term bad contracts for mediocre players.  Probably best to find one really bad contract.

A former (Celtic/Sun/Hawk) comes to mind.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 07:49:49 PM
I guess people are also putting in their salaries and cap so here goes:

Lakers

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG:
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

Total salary spent: $46.5 million
Cap remaining: $52.8 million


Nice, I should still be able to sign two max players, if any are left.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 07:51:16 PM
Al Jefferson         $15,000,000
Derrick Favors        $4,753,320
Derrick Rose         $16,400,000
Pick No.2 Tomorrow   


Used 36.2
Remaining Around 37.0 or something like that

Should be good, so long as Rose can be his old self.  Not sure how well Rose will work playing with bigs who seemingly lack defensive the toughness that his real-life pair do.

IDK, maybe I'm under-selling Favors as a defensive player.  Big Al sure hasn't ever seemed to bother.  These guys own the boards though, which is good for Rose, who for all his talents is more of a high-volume scorer than efficient scorer.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
Al Jefferson         $15,000,000
Derrick Favors        $4,753,320
Derrick Rose         $16,400,000
Pick No.2 Tomorrow   


Used 36.2
Remaining Around 37.0 or something like that
A healthy Rose and Jefferson, all by themselves, make this a solid team with championship aspirations next year.

Curious to see how the injury effects Rose's game though my guess is it will be minimal and by next season he will be back to his old self.

Favors has always been an enigma for me. I watched him his year in college and thought, he's got potential but...Then he got traded before he finished a year with NJ. And he's been a productive bench player but will he ever be more? I'm still not convinced he will yet. But even if he doesn't become a great PF, he will probably still be a productive one.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 08:06:27 PM
Memphis Grizzlies
PG: Greivis Vásquez
SG: Klay Thompson
SF:
PF: Zach Randolph
C:

$50,386,600 remaining

2.11
2.15
4.15
5.15
6.15
7.15
8.11
8.15
9.15
11.15

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 08:06:40 PM
I guess people are also putting in their salaries and cap so here goes:

Lakers

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG:
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

Total salary spent: $46.5 million
Cap remaining: $52.8 million


Nice, I should still be able to sign two max players, if any are left.

Good decision going with Kirilenko at PF.  He should be a good compliment as a stretch 4 to Dwight.  Dwight just doesn't seem to operate well with traditional PF's.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 08:23:13 PM


Warriors

PG Curry
SG
SF  Gallinari
PF
C. M. Gasol


44.21 million left

Post trade opinion?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 08:27:17 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 08:30:35 PM


Warriors

PG Curry
SG
SF  Gallinari
PF
C. M. Gasol


44.21 million left

Post trade opinion?

Love Gasol and Curry.  Not the biggest 'Nilo fan, but he does have amazing range on that jumper.

Overall, I like it better for certain.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 08:30:59 PM


Warriors

PG Curry
SG
SF  Gallinari
PF
C. M. Gasol


44.21 million left

Post trade opinion?
You got like the third best center in the league and only gave up a mid 2nd and a guy that was probably only a high 3rd round pick...what's not to like. This team now has title aspirations.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 18, 2013, 08:32:55 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?

I think Lopez and Leanard are more geared for future while Kobe needs to win like this year
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 18, 2013, 08:35:18 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?

You need to move Leonard ASAP. Portland is willing to be nice and help you out.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 18, 2013, 08:35:49 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?

One bigman defender away from a great defensive team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 18, 2013, 08:36:39 PM


Warriors

PG Curry
SG
SF  Gallinari
PF
C. M. Gasol


44.21 million left

Post trade opinion?
You got like the third best center in the league and only gave up a mid 2nd and a guy that was probably only a high 3rd round pick...what's not to like. This team now has title aspirations.

Well put
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 08:44:51 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?

You need to move Leonard ASAP. Portland is willing to be nice and help you out.

Oh, how nice of you, thanks!

You better have plenty of Gordon Lightfoot.  Gonna need some James Taylor too!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 18, 2013, 08:48:26 PM
The hawks

C: Horford
Pf: Love
Sf: Granger

What do you all think?  I like it a lot better than what I started with
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 18, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
The hawks

C: Horford
Pf: Love
Sf: Granger

What do you all think?  I like it a lot better than what I started with

If Granger comes back with a vengeance and you get solid guards you have a beasty team now if Granger comes back with a slump then there is a problem
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 18, 2013, 08:53:18 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?

You need to move Leonard ASAP. Portland is willing to be nice and help you out.

Oh, how nice of you, thanks!

You better have plenty of Gordon Lightfoot.  Gonna need some James Taylor too!

We have it all. Kickaxe, Helix, Cory Hart, The Headpins, Nelly Furtado.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 08:55:57 PM
The hawks

C: Horford
Pf: Love
Sf: Granger

What do you all think?  I like it a lot better than what I started with

I like the moves you've made so far.  Turned, what I thought at least, was a strange mix of players into a solid front court.

Might be tough to get the right guard to pair up without a 2nd rounder, though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 18, 2013, 08:57:12 PM
Post-trade?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 18, 2013, 09:00:04 PM
Post-trade?

No star power but Vucevic does have potential to be a star just not now
maybe you can build a team like the Nuggets
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 09:02:22 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?

You need to move Leonard ASAP. Portland is willing to be nice and help you out.

Oh, how nice of you, thanks!

You better have plenty of Gordon Lightfoot.  Gonna need some James Taylor too!

We have it all. Kickaxe, Helix, Cory Hart, The Headpins, Nelly Furtado.

I fart in your general direction
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 09:03:19 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?

I think Lopez and Leanard are more geared for future while Kobe needs to win like this year
I understand this but its not like Leonard and Lopez haven't been playing second and third bananas on title contending teams all year. I think Leonard probably more of a 4th or 5th banana but still he has playoff experience and experience playing with superduperstars.

I hate Kobe and think he is a cancer on a team that eventually manifests itself(yes a worse cancer than Howard or Williams) and I also think he has played in his last Finals.

I just think Kobe has gone so over the top in pursuit of MJ's 6 titles that he is becoming more of a liability for any franchise than he is an asset. His demeaning of team mates, calling them out, jacking up 30 shots a game and then making sure he proves he isn't a ball hog by going out and making sure he is leading his team in assists for a week has made him a disaster to put a team together with, IMHO.

Still, the Nets will be very good and title contenders.

Get someone who can rebound though. Lopez is a horrid rebounder for his size.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 09:45:52 PM
I hate Kobe and think he is a cancer on a team that eventually manifests itself(yes a worse cancer than Howard or Williams) and I also think he has played in his last Finals.

I just think Kobe has gone so over the top in pursuit of MJ's 6 titles that he is becoming more of a liability for any franchise than he is an asset. His demeaning of team mates, calling them out, jacking up 30 shots a game and then making sure he proves he isn't a ball hog by going out and making sure he is leading his team in assists for a week has made him a disaster to put a team together with, IMHO.

You know, I don't personally care for Kobe's attitude at times either, but, MJ was a jerk too.  MJ just was more discreet about it.

It's not as if Kobe is going around calling out players that don't deserve it (here's looking at you DWIGHT!)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 18, 2013, 10:05:30 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?

You need to move Leonard ASAP. Portland is willing to be nice and help you out.

Oh, how nice of you, thanks!

You better have plenty of Gordon Lightfoot.  Gonna need some James Taylor too!

We have it all. Kickaxe, Helix, Cory Hart, The Headpins, Nelly Furtado.

I fart in your general direction

Fine, we'll send you some Tea Party, Some Our Lady Peace, Some Moist and Some I Mother Earth. Plus a signed 1981/82 Opeche Dalw Hawerchuk rookie card.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 10:26:41 PM
No comments on my Nets roster, eh?

You need to move Leonard ASAP. Portland is willing to be nice and help you out.

Oh, how nice of you, thanks!

You better have plenty of Gordon Lightfoot.  Gonna need some James Taylor too!

We have it all. Kickaxe, Helix, Cory Hart, The Headpins, Nelly Furtado.

I fart in your general direction

Fine, we'll send you some Tea Party, Some Our Lady Peace, Some Moist and Some I Mother Earth. Plus a signed 1981/82 Opeche Dalw Hawerchuk rookie card.

Don't you mean "Dale" Hawerchuk?  :P

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 18, 2013, 10:31:48 PM


Warriors

PG Curry
SG
SF  Gallinari
PF
C. M. Gasol


44.21 million left

Post trade opinion?

Digging the Curry/Gasol tandem. I think Gallinari would be a great second option to Curry. Really like this team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 10:33:08 PM
maybe you can build a team like the Nuggets

Jrue Holiday and Josh Smith doesn't seem like a formidable duo at all
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 18, 2013, 10:34:44 PM
maybe you can build a team like the Nuggets

Jrue Holiday and Josh Smith doesn't seem like a formidable duo at all

#HatersGonnaHate ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 18, 2013, 10:42:34 PM


Warriors

PG Curry
SG
SF  Gallinari
PF
C. M. Gasol


44.21 million left

Post trade opinion?
You got like the third best center in the league and only gave up a mid 2nd and a guy that was probably only a high 3rd round pick...what's not to like. This team now has title aspirations.

Yea this team can be a title contender
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 18, 2013, 10:43:53 PM
Does your team have a SF who looks like a young Matthew Lillard?

(http://www.nba.com/rockets/sites/rockets/files/cphair.jpg)

No. No, it doesn't.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 10:45:33 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 18, 2013, 10:46:43 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?


Nope.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 18, 2013, 10:47:19 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?

Easily a top 5 team right now
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 18, 2013, 10:48:20 PM
Does your team have a SF who looks like a young Matthew Lillard?

(http://www.nba.com/rockets/sites/rockets/files/cphair.jpg)

No. No, it doesn't.

My lawyers should have already been in contact with your people re: you biting my style in two straight drafts.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 10:48:57 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?

Easily a top 5 team right now

I agree, Mr. Ronaldo.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 18, 2013, 10:49:39 PM
Does your team have a SF who looks like a young Matthew Lillard?

(http://www.nba.com/rockets/sites/rockets/files/cphair.jpg)

No. No, it doesn't.

My lawyers should have already been in contact with your people re: you biting my style in two straight drafts.

Feel free to grab yourself a quality 2 Guard, but I feel like Nick's gonna beat you to him.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 18, 2013, 10:50:32 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?


Nope.

Agree.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?


Nope.

Agree.

Elaborate plz
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 18, 2013, 10:55:49 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?


Nope.

Agree.

I also don't think this team is a contender. Good stats, sure. Don't know if a team built around Thompson-Vasquez-Randolph is a playoff team, though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 18, 2013, 10:56:07 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?


Nope.

Agree.

Elaborate plz


Your players aren't good enough. When ZBo made the 2nd roundm it was two years ago and Marc Gasol was the 2nd best player on the team. Gasol is significantly better than both Vasquez and Thompson.  Conley Jr. is arguably a better PG than Vasquez and that Memphis team's defense was far better than what you can create now.

Also, that was two years ago and ZBo has regressed.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 18, 2013, 10:57:32 PM
Top 5? How many teams are there? I kid. Here have a box of timbits.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 10:58:49 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?


Nope.

Agree.

Elaborate plz


Your players aren't good enough. When ZBo made the 2nd roundm it was two years ago and Marc Gasol was the 2nd best player on the team. Gasol is significantly better than both Vasquez and Thompson.  Conley Jr. is arguably a better PG than Vasquez and that Memphis team's defense was far better than what you can create now.

Also, that was two years ago and ZBo has regressed.

ZBo is still a top-5 (if not top-3) rebounder in the league still, right? Klay would start on nearly every team in the league. 16.4 ppg in year 2. Greivis is more of an assisting PG than Conley, which can get the rest of the players going. His rebounding prowess is just a plus. Fits way better than Conley, seeing as I'm not going for a defensive stalwart, but an offensive juggernaut.

"If it doesn't go in the first time, it'll go in the second time."
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 18, 2013, 11:02:51 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?


Nope.

Agree.

Elaborate plz

Greivis Vasquez is an undeniably talented point guard, but I don't think he's better than the actual point guard Randolph's been playing with. A lot of the success the Griz enjoy is because of the underrated defense that Gasol provides, and the overwhelming defense they enjoy on the perimeter. On top of that Gasol is an extremely talented passer.

You've lost that defense, and won't get it back (there are only a handful of centers on Gasol's level defensively), and to my eyes you've lost the defensive edge on the perimeter and downgraded the talent of your point guard.

You can maybe recover with the picks coming up, but it's going to require lots of savvy and some luck.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 18, 2013, 11:04:27 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?

Easily a top 5 team right now

I agree, Mr. Ronaldo.

This team will get shut down by Chicago. Just saying.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 18, 2013, 11:04:37 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?


Nope.

Agree.

Elaborate plz


Your players aren't good enough. When ZBo made the 2nd roundm it was two years ago and Marc Gasol was the 2nd best player on the team. Gasol is significantly better than both Vasquez and Thompson.  Conley Jr. is arguably a better PG than Vasquez and that Memphis team's defense was far better than what you can create now.

Also, that was two years ago and ZBo has regressed.

ZBo is still a top-5 (if not top-3) rebounder in the league still, right? Klay would start on nearly every team in the league. 16.4 ppg in year 2. Greivis is more of an assisting PG than Conley, which can get the rest of the players going. His rebounding prowess is just a plus. Fits way better than Conley, seeing as I'm not going for a defensive stalwart, but an offensive juggernaut.

"If it doesn't go in the first time, it'll go in the second time."

You need a team with ZBo to have the players to cover for him defensively.  Thompson is a good player, but he's not a number 2 on a contender. For example the 2nd option on the two teams in the finals last year were Dwyane Wade and Russell Westbrook. He's not that good. And fwiw, Vasquez was on that Grizzlies team and was shipped out because he wasn't as good as Conley.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 11:06:05 PM
Does your team have a SF who looks like a young Matthew Lillard?

(http://www.nba.com/rockets/sites/rockets/files/cphair.jpg)

No. No, it doesn't.
I don't have a player that looks like Lillard but I have one that looks like Dolph Lungren

(http://www.deseretnews.com/images/article/midres/85350/85350.jpg)

And yes, I plan on stealing IP's SG.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 18, 2013, 11:07:07 PM
Does your team have a SF who looks like a young Matthew Lillard?

(http://www.nba.com/rockets/sites/rockets/files/cphair.jpg)

No. No, it doesn't.
I don't have a player that looks like Lillard but I have one that looks like Dolph Lungren

(http://www.deseretnews.com/images/article/midres/85350/85350.jpg)

And yes, I plan on stealing IP's SG.

(http://img3.etsystatic.com/002/0/5989871/il_fullxfull.371154995_9owc.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 18, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?

Easily a top 5 team right now

I agree, Mr. Ronaldo.

This team will get shut down by Chicago. Just saying.

Gotta admit. Chicago is looking like a fine team. If you find clear-cut number one option and this team could do some damage. No one is scoring on you guys though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 11:11:22 PM
And also, Vasquez may not have been as good as Conley at the time (they needed more PT for one or the other) but note that this year, he is in EVERY article discussing MIP. He is almost a guaranteed nominee for Most Improved... he's having a Rondo year and will only improve.

Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?

Easily a top 5 team right now

I agree, Mr. Ronaldo.

This team will get shut down by Chicago. Just saying.

Gotta admit. Chicago is looking like a fine team. If you find clear-cut number one option and this team could do some damage. No one is scoring on you guys though.

Joakim Noah at Center can't stop ZBo at PF even. If I get the Center I want in round 2, it'll be second chance points galore for this team. Plus rebounders everywhere.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 18, 2013, 11:12:13 PM
And also, Vasquez may not have been as good as Conley at the time (they needed more PT for one or the other) but note that this year, he is in EVERY article discussing MIP. He is almost a guaranteed nominee for Most Improved... he's having a Rondo year and will only improve.

Rondo and Zbo wouldn't make a contender either.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 11:13:23 PM
And also, Vasquez may not have been as good as Conley at the time (they needed more PT for one or the other) but note that this year, he is in EVERY article discussing MIP. He is almost a guaranteed nominee for Most Improved... he's having a Rondo year and will only improve.

Rondo and Zbo wouldn't make a contender either.

It would with the right pieces. Dominant PG and dominant PF, you just need the right role players.

Klay is definitely one.
Let's see what I can do with two second-rounders
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 11:23:31 PM
Nothing personal CC, but I hate that phrase that "player X has gotten better to the point he is playing at X level and because he is young, he will only improve".

Hate that with a passion because after watching NBA basketball for 30 years I can tell you players are never guaranteed to improve. They are not supposed to improve. They don't always keep improving because they have already.

Lots of times players plateau. Even more often they regress. And given changes in the team the may play with, their attitude at reaching a certain level, or injuries sometimes they just disappear into obscurity.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 18, 2013, 11:26:11 PM
A Washington front office executive was just seen leaving the GM's office grumbling angrily to himself.  He declined comment, but among his mutterings were the words "...batty old man can't make up his [bleep]ing mind."  Take that how you will.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 11:28:05 PM
Nothing personal CC, but I hate that phrase that "player X has gotten better to the point he is playing at X level and because he is young, he will only improve".

Hate that with a passion because after watching NBA basketball for 30 years I can tell you players are never guaranteed to improve. They are not supposed to improve. They don't always keep improving because they have already.

Lots of times players plateau. Even more often they regress. And given changes in the team the may play with, their attitude at reaching a certain level, or injuries sometimes they just disappear into obscurity.

Sorry for using it.

But I think Vasquez surely is a Most Improved Player nominee, look at that huge jump from last year. I doubt his attitude changes, seeing as he's always been a good guy. Injuries are unpredictable, and you really can't worry about them, because they're gonna happen when they happen. Even if Vasquez plateaus, a 13/10/5 PG is a great deal for $1.3mil a year. If he improves, then this is the steal of the draft for sure.

Personally, I think he suits my team more than Conley. If I need scoring, I have Thompson. Vasquez is the passing leader on this team and if he stops shooting so much, he'll be a top-5 PG in the league (if we're looking at him the same way we look at Rondo). His plus rebounding (along with Randolph's plus rebounding) are good too ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 11:38:45 PM
Nothing personal CC, but I hate that phrase that "player X has gotten better to the point he is playing at X level and because he is young, he will only improve".

Hate that with a passion because after watching NBA basketball for 30 years I can tell you players are never guaranteed to improve. They are not supposed to improve. They don't always keep improving because they have already.

Lots of times players plateau. Even more often they regress. And given changes in the team the may play with, their attitude at reaching a certain level, or injuries sometimes they just disappear into obscurity.

Sorry for using it.

But I think Vasquez surely is a Most Improved Player nominee, look at that huge jump from last year. I doubt his attitude changes, seeing as he's always been a good guy. Injuries are unpredictable, and you really can't worry about them, because they're gonna happen when they happen. Even if Vasquez plateaus, a 13/10/5 PG is a great deal for $1.3mil a year. If he improves, then this is the steal of the draft for sure.

Personally, I think he suits my team more than Conley. If I need scoring, I have Thompson. Vasquez is the passing leader on this team and if he stops shooting so much, he'll be a top-5 PG in the league (if we're looking at him the same way we look at Rondo). His plus rebounding (along with Randolph's plus rebounding) are good too ;D


Why do you insist on ignoring the advice of everyone?

Vasquez is a nice young player, Klay is even nicer.  But they are not ready for primetime.  Not by a long shot.

Randoplh will go sour quickly with a young duo like them.  It wasn't until he got major minutes and a major role on a good team that he finally shed his "lokckeroom cancer" lable.  He will probably go right back to it.

Nobody here is trying to put you down or attack you.  Just being honest.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 18, 2013, 11:47:18 PM
PG: Conley
SF/PF: Carmelo
C: Chandler

D on the perimeter, D in the paint, a go-to scorer who's a matchup nightmare for most teams, and another $40 mill and change to spend.  Just need a few solid role players and this team is looking good.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 18, 2013, 11:54:42 PM
PG: Conley
SF/PF: Carmelo
C: Chandler

D on the perimeter, D in the paint, a go-to scorer who's a matchup nightmare for most teams, and another $40 mill and change to spend.  Just need a few solid role players and this team is looking good.

Need a SG to shore up that perimeter "D", but definite contender status.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 18, 2013, 11:57:23 PM
Nothing personal CC, but I hate that phrase that "player X has gotten better to the point he is playing at X level and because he is young, he will only improve".

Hate that with a passion because after watching NBA basketball for 30 years I can tell you players are never guaranteed to improve. They are not supposed to improve. They don't always keep improving because they have already.

Lots of times players plateau. Even more often they regress. And given changes in the team the may play with, their attitude at reaching a certain level, or injuries sometimes they just disappear into obscurity.

Sorry for using it.

But I think Vasquez surely is a Most Improved Player nominee, look at that huge jump from last year. I doubt his attitude changes, seeing as he's always been a good guy. Injuries are unpredictable, and you really can't worry about them, because they're gonna happen when they happen. Even if Vasquez plateaus, a 13/10/5 PG is a great deal for $1.3mil a year. If he improves, then this is the steal of the draft for sure.

Personally, I think he suits my team more than Conley. If I need scoring, I have Thompson. Vasquez is the passing leader on this team and if he stops shooting so much, he'll be a top-5 PG in the league (if we're looking at him the same way we look at Rondo). His plus rebounding (along with Randolph's plus rebounding) are good too ;D
Vasquez will never be Rondo. He doesn't have the ball handling skills, the defensive skills, the passing skills, the athleticism or the mental drive and desire.

Remember, Vasquez and Rondo are the same age. Vasquez was a four year college player. he is probably topping out throwing up stats on one of the worst teams in the league. And as we all know, players can throw up big numbers on bad teams all they want but if they aren't transforming that team into a better team with their presence, then they will probably never put up those stats on a good team and almost assuredly wouldn't on a title contending team.

Vasquez is a nice player. But he isn't a top 10 PG in the league and never will be.

Sorry man. Not trying to be harsh, just telling you like it is.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 18, 2013, 11:58:02 PM
Greivis Vasquez (top-5 passer)/ Klay Thompson (top-5 3P shooter)/ Zach Randolph (top-5 rebounder)

Contender?


Nope.

Agree.


without taking part and i never agree with IP i dont like the matchs that much
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 12:00:45 AM
Looking to move 2 3's for a top-5 2nd rounder and a 4th, or a 3rd and a 4th for a mid second rounder and a 5th.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 12:16:58 AM
Why do you insist on ignoring the advice of everyone?

Vasquez is a nice young player, Klay is even nicer.  But they are not ready for primetime.  Not by a long shot.

Sorry, I'm just too stubborn for myself. :(

And I wasted a Marc Gasol for a player worse than a third rounder. -.-"
Just annoyed, sorry to anyone I offended
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less.

But as of right now it's a contender IMO. There's a guy who can take the scoring load. Everybody is a willing passer. Rebounds are not a problem, my PG is a solid rebounder for his position. It might be owed a ton, but I like how it turned up.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 19, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less. But as of right now it's a team that is willing to move the ball.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?

You know my thoughts.

Your Noah-Deng-AI2 core is fantastic.  It's a defensive nightmare, and should be amazing in transition.  This is the core of a very, very tough team.

I don't understand the Johnson pick.  He's lost a couple of steps, and isn't the athlete he used to be.  He's more of a half-court player now, he's a terrible defender at this stage, and he's wildly overpaid.

He just doesn't fit.  Your team needed another good big and a point guard, not Joe Johnson and his deadweight contract.  I'll be curious to see what you come up with.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 12:38:07 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less.

But as of right now it's a contender IMO. There's a guy who can take the scoring load. Everybody is a willing passer. Rebounds are not a problem, my PG is a solid rebounder for his position. It might be owed a ton, but I like how it turned up.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?

I like your team better if you go small with Deng at PF.

I think you can have a very good team with small-ball. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 12:39:48 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less. But as of right now it's a team that is willing to move the ball.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?

You know my thoughts.

Your Noah-Deng-AI2 core is fantastic.  It's a defensive nightmare, and should be amazing in transition.  This is the core of a very, very tough team.

I don't understand the Johnson pick.  He's lost a couple of steps, and isn't the athlete he used to be.  He's more of a half-court player now, he's a terrible defender at this stage, and he's wildly overpaid.

He just doesn't fit.  Your team needed another good big and a point guard, not Joe Johnson and his deadweight contract.  I'll be curious to see what you come up with.

Do you think there are any PGs or PFs out there that give Chicago the offensive boost they needed?

I don't think there was.

I think Joe Johnson was the right pick. I really like the mix Chicago has got there.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 19, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less. But as of right now it's a team that is willing to move the ball.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?

You know my thoughts.

Your Noah-Deng-AI2 core is fantastic.  It's a defensive nightmare, and should be amazing in transition.  This is the core of a very, very tough team.

I don't understand the Johnson pick.  He's lost a couple of steps, and isn't the athlete he used to be.  He's more of a half-court player now, he's a terrible defender at this stage, and he's wildly overpaid.

He just doesn't fit.  Your team needed another good big and a point guard, not Joe Johnson and his deadweight contract.  I'll be curious to see what you come up with.

Do you think there are any PGs or PFs out there that give Chicago the offensive boost they needed?

I don't think there was.

I think Joe Johnson was the right pick. I really like the mix Chicago has got there.

I would have taken Nene.

I can probably come up with several dozen ways that I'd rather allocate $18 million on a hard cap than give it to Joe Johnson.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 12:42:12 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less. But as of right now it's a team that is willing to move the ball.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?

You know my thoughts.

Your Noah-Deng-AI2 core is fantastic.  It's a defensive nightmare, and should be amazing in transition.  This is the core of a very, very tough team.

I don't understand the Johnson pick.  He's lost a couple of steps, and isn't the athlete he used to be.  He's more of a half-court player now, he's a terrible defender at this stage, and he's wildly overpaid.

He just doesn't fit.  Your team needed another good big and a point guard, not Joe Johnson and his deadweight contract.  I'll be curious to see what you come up with.

Do you think there are any PGs or PFs out there that give Chicago the offensive boost they needed?

I don't think there was.

I think Joe Johnson was the right pick. I really like the mix Chicago has got there.

18 million is huge. That could be 20 players :3
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 12:43:06 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less. But as of right now it's a team that is willing to move the ball.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?

You know my thoughts.

Your Noah-Deng-AI2 core is fantastic.  It's a defensive nightmare, and should be amazing in transition.  This is the core of a very, very tough team.

I don't understand the Johnson pick.  He's lost a couple of steps, and isn't the athlete he used to be.  He's more of a half-court player now, he's a terrible defender at this stage, and he's wildly overpaid.

He just doesn't fit.  Your team needed another good big and a point guard, not Joe Johnson and his deadweight contract.  I'll be curious to see what you come up with.

Reasoning behind the Johnson pick is simple. He's the best player around. AI, Deng and Noah cant score by themselves, I needed one and as bad as he's playing right now, he will still drop 17 on a bad day.

No Deron Williams in this lineup, meaning he gets the ball most on the offense, meaning he gets to the line more, which will bump up his scoring.

I disagree that he's a terrible defender. Ask Kobe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GPj3p3bzdM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GPj3p3bzdM)
That clip maybe from last year I get it, and I might agree that he lost a step, but he's certainly not terrible. He's not that good anymore I get it, but terrible is selling it WAY short.

This team will lockdown any team. And now with a scorer, problem solved.

And don't tell me AI2 can't play PG, all he needs to do is cross half court. With the willingness to pass all four of these guys have in their game, ball movement is not a problem.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 12:44:10 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less. But as of right now it's a team that is willing to move the ball.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?

You know my thoughts.

Your Noah-Deng-AI2 core is fantastic.  It's a defensive nightmare, and should be amazing in transition.  This is the core of a very, very tough team.

I don't understand the Johnson pick.  He's lost a couple of steps, and isn't the athlete he used to be.  He's more of a half-court player now, he's a terrible defender at this stage, and he's wildly overpaid.

He just doesn't fit.  Your team needed another good big and a point guard, not Joe Johnson and his deadweight contract.  I'll be curious to see what you come up with.

Do you think there are any PGs or PFs out there that give Chicago the offensive boost they needed?

I don't think there was.

I think Joe Johnson was the right pick. I really like the mix Chicago has got there.

I would have taken Nene.

I can probably come up with several dozen ways that I'd rather allocate $18 million on a hard cap than give it to Joe Johnson.

One of MY BOYS is going to make that PF list. I got it all covered.   ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 12:45:10 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less. But as of right now it's a team that is willing to move the ball.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?

You know my thoughts.

Your Noah-Deng-AI2 core is fantastic.  It's a defensive nightmare, and should be amazing in transition.  This is the core of a very, very tough team.

I don't understand the Johnson pick.  He's lost a couple of steps, and isn't the athlete he used to be.  He's more of a half-court player now, he's a terrible defender at this stage, and he's wildly overpaid.

He just doesn't fit.  Your team needed another good big and a point guard, not Joe Johnson and his deadweight contract.  I'll be curious to see what you come up with.

Do you think there are any PGs or PFs out there that give Chicago the offensive boost they needed?

I don't think there was.

I think Joe Johnson was the right pick. I really like the mix Chicago has got there.

I would have taken Nene.

I can probably come up with several dozen ways that I'd rather allocate $18 million on a hard cap than give it to Joe Johnson.

I don't like Nene at power forward alongside Noah and two wings like Iggy and Deng.

Not enough spacing for Nene to consistently take advantage of his post game and size advantage over opposing power forwards.

I would've have loved for Golden State to find some way to put Nene alongside Marc Gasol. I think those two would have been incredible together.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on February 19, 2013, 12:45:11 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less. But as of right now it's a team that is willing to move the ball.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?

You know my thoughts.

Your Noah-Deng-AI2 core is fantastic.  It's a defensive nightmare, and should be amazing in transition.  This is the core of a very, very tough team.

I don't understand the Johnson pick.  He's lost a couple of steps, and isn't the athlete he used to be.  He's more of a half-court player now, he's a terrible defender at this stage, and he's wildly overpaid.

He just doesn't fit.  Your team needed another good big and a point guard, not Joe Johnson and his deadweight contract.  I'll be curious to see what you come up with.

Do you think there are any PGs or PFs out there that give Chicago the offensive boost they needed?

I don't think there was.

I think Joe Johnson was the right pick. I really like the mix Chicago has got there.

I would have taken Nene.

I can probably come up with several dozen ways that I'd rather allocate $18 million on a hard cap than give it to Joe Johnson.
I like Nene better as a pick, but I think Joe Johnson is being wildly undersold.

Its not like cap space has much future value in this exercise anyways. All Pick 2 players are locked to their current teams.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 12:46:41 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 2

PG - Andre Iguodala (yeah he's the Point)
SG - "Iso" Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - TBD
C  - Joakim Noah

Ton of money owed to that four alone. Took a chance on a really expensive go-to guy, but a go-to guy none the less.

But as of right now it's a contender IMO. There's a guy who can take the scoring load. Everybody is a willing passer. Rebounds are not a problem, my PG is a solid rebounder for his position. It might be owed a ton, but I like how it turned up.

Did I mention, defensively this team is tough?
Thibs is salivating over this group. The defense will be excellent. Not sure I like the Joe Johnson as a number 1 offensive option but I am assuming he is not going to be there long term.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 02:00:04 PM
Greivis Vasquez (10/10/5)
Klay Thompson (18ppg)
Jeff Green (20/5/5)
Zach Randolph (12/12)
Omer Asik (11/12)

That's definitely a 40+ win team at the least, no more lottery-land!
Suggestions? I really like Green at the 3 with this team.

I think the floor spacing is rather decent, the rebounding should be fantastic. I just need a strong bench, and I think this can be a contender. I also like this Randolph+Asik pairing more than Randolph+Gasol.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 19, 2013, 02:15:34 PM
Team is now
Lawson
Beal
JJ Hickson
Notorious DMC

All young have a ton of cap flexibility  what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 02:17:28 PM
Team is now
Lawson
Beal
JJ Hickson
Notorious DMC

All young have a ton of cap flexibility  what are your thoughts?

JJ Hickson and DeMarcus Cousins played badly together in Sacramento.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 19, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
Awaiting confirmation on a trade between Milwaukee and Portland.

Milwaukee will henceforth be known as Team 3s 'n' Boards
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 02:24:57 PM
Greivis Vasquez (10/10/5)
Klay Thompson (18ppg)
Jeff Green (20/5/5)
Zach Randolph (12/12)
Omer Asik (11/12)

That's definitely a 40+ win team at the least, no more lottery-land!
Suggestions? I really like Green at the 3 with this team.

I think the floor spacing is rather decent, the rebounding should be fantastic. I just need a strong bench, and I think this can be a contender. I also like this Randolph+Asik pairing more than Randolph+Gasol.

I'm worried about Asik taking Z-Bo's space down low.

Other than that, it's a pretty solid team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 02:26:31 PM
Greivis Vasquez (10/10/5)
Klay Thompson (18ppg)
Jeff Green (20/5/5)
Zach Randolph (12/12)
Omer Asik (11/12)

That's definitely a 40+ win team at the least, no more lottery-land!
Suggestions? I really like Green at the 3 with this team.

I think the floor spacing is rather decent, the rebounding should be fantastic. I just need a strong bench, and I think this can be a contender. I also like this Randolph+Asik pairing more than Randolph+Gasol.

I'm worried about Asik taking Z-Bo's space down low.

Other than that, it's a pretty solid team.

Thanks. Could you define "solid"? I'm still looking to contend some how.

ZBo clogs space up blocking out PFs and Asik is a very, very good defensive center.

I think I need a stretch PF still though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 02:30:39 PM
Greivis Vasquez (10/10/5)
Klay Thompson (18ppg)
Jeff Green (20/5/5)
Zach Randolph (12/12)
Omer Asik (11/12)

That's definitely a 40+ win team at the least, no more lottery-land!
Suggestions? I really like Green at the 3 with this team.

I think the floor spacing is rather decent, the rebounding should be fantastic. I just need a strong bench, and I think this can be a contender. I also like this Randolph+Asik pairing more than Randolph+Gasol.

I'm worried about Asik taking Z-Bo's space down low.

Other than that, it's a pretty solid team.

Thanks. Could you define "solid"? I'm still looking to contend some how.

ZBo clogs space up blocking out PFs and Asik is a very, very good defensive center.

I think I need a stretch PF still though.

Yeah, not necessarily a stretch PF but a big man with a jump-shot.

Somebody you can turn to when you need to free up Z-Bo more in the paint.

With at least a 15-18 footer. Better again an 18-22 footer. A stretch three with legitimate three point range being king. But a solid 15-20 foot jump shot is all that is needed. Further range than that is just a bonus. 

I think the player should be a good mobile defender too. Someone who can cover quicker PFs or perimeter PFs that Randolph struggles with. A different type of defender to the big bodied Asik.

If you can get a guy who does both the defensive job and the offensive tasks, I think that would be ideal. I think the guy behind Randolph in Memphis does a good job for them defensively and offensively. He would be someone I would consider in one of the later rounds.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 02:39:10 PM
Greivis Vasquez (10/10/5)
Klay Thompson (18ppg)
Jeff Green (20/5/5)
Zach Randolph (12/12)
Omer Asik (11/12)

That's definitely a 40+ win team at the least, no more lottery-land!
Suggestions? I really like Green at the 3 with this team.

I think the floor spacing is rather decent, the rebounding should be fantastic. I just need a strong bench, and I think this can be a contender. I also like this Randolph+Asik pairing more than Randolph+Gasol.

I'm worried about Asik taking Z-Bo's space down low.

Other than that, it's a pretty solid team.

Thanks. Could you define "solid"? I'm still looking to contend some how.

ZBo clogs space up blocking out PFs and Asik is a very, very good defensive center.

I think I need a stretch PF still though.

solid in this regard.

I think Greivis is a very good PG, but he's turnover prone, that could potentially hurt your team.

I saw a lot of Klay Thompson since I live here in the Bay, I love this kid's game. Only problem I have with him is he's not as quick, so he's not effective against quick guards defensively, but he puts in the effort so it's just a very minor setback.

Green is a very good defender, inconsistent scorer.

Z-Bo, no explanation needed.

Asik is a strong defensive Center.

You have the defense, but not so much on scoring. Klay and Z-Bo are your only reliable scorers. Your right though, this is a 40+ win team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 19, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Monta Ellis
SF: 
PF:  Tristan Thompson
C:  Pau Gasol

Ideally I want Ellis as a sixth man on this team, but I'm not sure I'll be able to find starter-caliber wings this late that would allow me that luxury.  If I can't, I'll probably try to trade him because I don't like him starting alongside Parker and Gasol. 

Thompson hasn't developed his range yet, but he's becoming a versatile defender, an excellent rebounder and can put up points without having plays drawn up for him.  He also has upside, whereas everybody else on the team has already peaked. 

My primary concern for this team is spacing.  Ideally, both of my wings will be able to hit the three and defend.  I don't need them to be great scorers, just good enough shooters that they can punish defenders for helping off of them. 

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 19, 2013, 02:44:15 PM
Turned the terrible twosome of Jennings and Monta into this:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: 3.12
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic

I call them Team 3s 'n' boards, because I have two great 3pt shooters and two great offensive rebounders.

I also like how my defense is developing. Matthews, Lee, and Pekovic are all known for good defense at their respective positions, and I plan on drafting some good defensive bench players at the 1 and the 3.

How's it look?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 02:46:51 PM
PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Monta Ellis
SF: 
PF:  Tristan Thompson
C:  Pau Gasol

Ideally I want Ellis as a sixth man on this team, but I'm not sure I'll be able to find starter-caliber wings this late that would allow me that luxury.  If I can't, I'll probably try to trade him because I don't like him starting alongside Parker and Gasol. 

Thompson hasn't developed his range yet, but he's becoming a versatile defender, an excellent rebounder and can put up points without having plays drawn up for him.  He also has upside, whereas everybody else on the team has already peaked. 

My primary concern for this team is spacing.  Ideally, both of my wings will be able to hit the three and defend.  I don't need them to be great scorers, just good enough shooters that they can punish defenders for helping off of them. 

Thoughts?

Parker and Pau would be great on the Pick and Roll

I'm not a fan of Monta in the same lineup with Parker though. One will render the other ineffective because they kind of have similar play styles. Parker is just more crafty than a quicker Ellis, but they both command the ball.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 19, 2013, 02:49:32 PM
Derrick Rose,  15,000,000.00
Evan Turner,    5,250,000.00
Al Jefferson,  16,400,000.00
Derrick Favours 4,750,000.00
               41,400,000.00

Something like 30 millions in CAP Space
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 02:49:55 PM
Turned the terrible twosome of Jennings and Monta into this:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: 3.12
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic

I call them Team 3s 'n' boards, because I have two great 3pt shooters and two great offensive rebounders.

I also like how my defense is developing. Matthews, Lee, and Pekovic are all known for good defense at their respective positions, and I plan on drafting some good defensive bench players at the 1 and the 3.

How's it look?

I maybe the only one here who would agree that D.Lee is a good defender, one on one on the interior at least. Lee however, is not a good help defender, so is Pek, so that can spell trouble for your bigs.

Your bigs also have no shot blocking presence. Tons of rebounding, but no shot altering presence.

Jennings is an enigma to me. He's not a good defender as well.

Wes Matthews fits with everyone, love that pick.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 19, 2013, 02:51:08 PM
PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Monta Ellis
SF: 
PF:  Tristan Thompson
C:  Pau Gasol

Ideally I want Ellis as a sixth man on this team, but I'm not sure I'll be able to find starter-caliber wings this late that would allow me that luxury.  If I can't, I'll probably try to trade him because I don't like him starting alongside Parker and Gasol. 

Thompson hasn't developed his range yet, but he's becoming a versatile defender, an excellent rebounder and can put up points without having plays drawn up for him.  He also has upside, whereas everybody else on the team has already peaked. 

My primary concern for this team is spacing.  Ideally, both of my wings will be able to hit the three and defend.  I don't need them to be great scorers, just good enough shooters that they can punish defenders for helping off of them. 

Thoughts?

Parker and Pau would be great on the Pick and Roll

I'm not a fan of Monta in the same lineup with Parker though. One will render the other ineffective because they kind of have similar play styles. Parker is just more crafty than a quicker Ellis, but they both command the ball.

I agree.  That's why I want to bring Monta off the bench.  If I can't find a way to do that, I'll try to trade him for a more traditional 2 guard.  Not that he's exactly a wanted commodity around CelticsBlog, but it only takes one interested party who needs scoring.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 19, 2013, 02:51:33 PM
SUNS

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 02:53:01 PM
Derrick Rose,  15,000,000.00
Evan Turner,    5,250,000.00
Al Jefferson,  16,400,000.00
Derrick Favours 4,750,000.00
               41,400,000.00

Something like 30 millions in CAP Space

I want to say something but I'm afraid you and Roy would tag team me, so never mind.

Aren't you clogging the lanes for Rose with Favors and Jefferson together? I know Al can hit mid range J's but, he always play low post.

Roy, no TAG TEAM!!!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 02:54:02 PM
SUNS

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts?

Need a shooting wing
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 19, 2013, 02:54:48 PM
Any thoughts on my 4 right now? What i need to get things I need to look for?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 19, 2013, 02:55:30 PM
Any thoughts on my 4 right now? What i need to get things I need to look for?

I'm gonna say a small forward.

<3
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 02:55:42 PM
Any thoughts on my 4 right now? What i need to get things I need to look for?

Change your frontcourt, they're terrible together I think. Or get one coming off the bench. Why do you not have a SF .-.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 19, 2013, 02:56:43 PM
Turned the terrible twosome of Jennings and Monta into this:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: 3.12
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic

I call them Team 3s 'n' boards, because I have two great 3pt shooters and two great offensive rebounders.

I also like how my defense is developing. Matthews, Lee, and Pekovic are all known for good defense at their respective positions, and I plan on drafting some good defensive bench players at the 1 and the 3.

How's it look?

I maybe the only one here who would agree that D.Lee is a good defender, one on one on the interior at least. Lee however, is not a good help defender, so is Pek, so that can spell trouble for your bigs.

Your bigs also have no shot blocking presence. Tons of rebounding, but no shot altering presence.

Jennings is an enigma to me. He's not a good defender as well.

Wes Matthews fits with everyone, love that pick.

Lee is a very good post defender, but is a poor help defender and gets exposed when asked to guard the perimeter.  Together with Pekovic, you have nobody who will regularly contest shots at the rim.  That could be a problem.  Having said that, you're going to have a bruising front line, and opponents will need a lot of ice packs after games against this team.  Extremely physical. 

Wesley Matthews is a very nice player, and I was hoping he'd drop to me at the 3.9. 

I'm not crazy about Jennings.  I see him as a less talented Iverson.  He's capable of some pretty explosive offensive performances, but I don't know that he can make teammates better like you'd ideally want a PG to do. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 02:56:54 PM
SUNS

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts?

Need a shooting wing

Beat me to it.

Wallace is not consistent enough of a shooter, and plays inside. Unless Wade turns into a catch and shoot midrange to three range guy, him and Dragic plays the same way, attacking the basket. One renders the ability of the other.

Two solid shot blockers in Gortat and Crash though, I think they can hide Boozer's lack of defense.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 19, 2013, 02:57:09 PM
Any thoughts on my 4 right now? What i need to get things I need to look for?

Change your frontcourt, they're terrible together I think. Or get one coming off the bench. Why do you not have a SF .-.

Because we havent gone through that many rounds yet....
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 03:00:04 PM
Any thoughts on my 4 right now? What i need to get things I need to look for?

The fact that in real life Hickson and DMC didn't work together causes a concern IMO.

That's a very undersized back court as well (Lawson at 5'11" and Beal at 6'3"), that would get killed by a bigger back court (like Iso Joe and Iggy, just saying).
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 19, 2013, 03:00:15 PM
Turned the terrible twosome of Jennings and Monta into this:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: 3.12
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic

I call them Team 3s 'n' boards, because I have two great 3pt shooters and two great offensive rebounders.

I also like how my defense is developing. Matthews, Lee, and Pekovic are all known for good defense at their respective positions, and I plan on drafting some good defensive bench players at the 1 and the 3.

How's it look?

I like the individual parts a lot, but no so sure about the mix.  Where does the leadership come from? I get the sense that it's Jennings' show and everyone else fits in around him - which i don't like.

I do like the Pek/Lee pairing and I think Matthews is a stellar piece.  I guess I'm just not a big Jennings guy as a #1 option.
Title: Pick 2: Top 5 Teams
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 03:01:01 PM
Who are they atm? ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Top 5 Teams
Post by: Edgar on February 19, 2013, 03:03:43 PM
As long as i remember this one was a nonvoted draft

its Jazz
Title: Re: Pick 2: Top 5 Teams
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 03:04:07 PM
Bulls, Lakers, Nets are up there on my list!
Oh yea, and Memphis!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Top 5 Teams
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 19, 2013, 03:04:25 PM
1. Chicago
2. Does not matter
3. Does not matter
4. Does not matter
5. Does not matter

 ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 03:05:26 PM
Merged the top 5 teams thread.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on February 19, 2013, 03:06:08 PM
Merged the top 5 teams thread.
I hate you and DIACF, Mr. IP fastest merge in the Midwest.

*grumble, grumble*
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 03:06:25 PM
Any thoughts on my 4 right now? What i need to get things I need to look for?

I really liked that Cousins for Faried trade. I thought that was a great bit of business. Ty Lawson is a really good starting PG too. I like the 1-2 punch there. They should play very well together.

That is a solid foundation to build the rest of your team from. A talented interior presence and a quality floor general.

I haven't seen enough of Beal so I am not sure what to make of him. I am looking forward to seeing more of him in the 2nd of the season.

I am not a fan of JJ Hickson. I would dump him.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 03:07:57 PM
I am not a fan of JJ Hickson. I would dump him.

Bad when paired with Cuz
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 19, 2013, 03:10:21 PM
Yea thats what im looking to do. I have some ideas still available that could really help out too.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 03:36:32 PM
Jrue Holiday
Jamal Crawford
Kevin Martin
Josh Smith
Javale McGee


I embrace hate  :-*
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 03:37:58 PM
Jrue Holiday
Jamal Crawford
Kevin Martin
Josh Smith
Javale McGee


I embrace hate  :-*

Kevin Martin has never played SF for an extended period of time, I don't know if that can work.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 19, 2013, 03:40:51 PM
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Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 03:47:40 PM
Jrue Holiday
Jamal Crawford
Kevin Martin
Josh Smith
Javale McGee


I embrace hate  :-*

Kevin Martin has never played SF for an extended period of time, I don't know if that can work.

He wil probablyy come off the bench either him or Crawford.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:00:56 PM
Lakers

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

Total salary spent: $52.69 million
Cap remaining: $46.61 million

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 04:14:27 PM
Brooklyn Nets

PG: George Hill ($8.00m)
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
SF: Kawahi Leonard ($1.81m)
PF: Glaring hole ???
 C: Brook Lopez ($3.67m)

Salary Cap: $83.11m
Remaining Salary: $31.78m


So, what ya'll think?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 04:23:14 PM
Lakers

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

Total salary spent: $52.69 million
Cap remaining: $46.61 million

I'm really down on Deron Williams, but I really love this team still. JJ Redick was a PERFECT selection for you. Such a difference between him and your average shooting guard for this team because of how well he shoots and passes.

Interested to see what you do with either the 3 or 4 to complete your starting lineup.  There's a young small forward who I really like
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 19, 2013, 04:23:46 PM
Brooklyn Nets

PG: George Hill ($8.00m)
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
SF: Kawahi Leonard ($1.81m)
PF: Glaring hole ???
 C: Brook Lopez ($3.67m)

Salary Cap: $83.11m
Remaining Salary: $31.78m


So, what ya'll think?


I really wanted Glaring Hole.  Awesome defender and rebounder.



Perimeter defense is great.  Inside defense way to soft.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 04:24:00 PM
Kyrie Irving
?
?
Ryan Anderson
Andrew 'Two-face' Bynum
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 19, 2013, 04:25:53 PM
Kyrie Irving
?
?
Ryan Anderson
Andrew 'Two-face' Bynum


Is that "healthy" face and the more often "injured" face?



Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 04:26:45 PM
Brooklyn Nets

PG: George Hill ($8.00m)
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
SF: Kawahi Leonard ($1.81m)
PF: Glaring hole ???
 C: Brook Lopez ($3.67m)

Salary Cap: $83.11m
Remaining Salary: $31.78m


So, what ya'll think?

On one hand I really like your 4, on the other hand I'm nervous about your ability to fill the 4. You desperately need someone who can defend and rebound, but there isn't a ton of 'win now' options for you left.

There's a veteran left that I like, but I'm not sure how much he has left in the tank.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 04:27:24 PM
Kyrie Irving
?
?
Ryan Anderson
Andrew 'Two-face' Bynum

That three man core is strong enough to be a title contender with the right supporting cast if A.Bynum can stay healthy.

Need strong defensive players in supporting cast.

All over the court (starting wings, backup bigs, backup wings) except maybe PG where I think another player who is comfortable in a PG centric offense would be more important. Someone who can create for both himself and for others.

The offensive firepower of Kyrie, A.Bynum and R.Anderson is huge.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 04:28:21 PM
Kyrie Irving
?
?
Ryan Anderson
Andrew 'Two-face' Bynum

Love me some Kyrie Irving, and really like the idea of a stretch 4 on his team. I also think you're lucking out with a lot of young, swing players dropping further than I'd expect.

You also have Andrew Bynum on your team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 19, 2013, 04:28:26 PM
Kyrie Irving
?
?
Ryan Anderson
Andrew 'Two-face' Bynum

He's got more than two hairstyles, that's for sure.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/andrew-bynum-hair-ranking/#0
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 19, 2013, 04:30:31 PM
Brooklyn Nets

PG: George Hill ($8.00m)
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
SF: Kawahi Leonard ($1.81m)
PF: Glaring hole ???
 C: Brook Lopez ($3.67m)

Salary Cap: $83.11m
Remaining Salary: $31.78m


So, what ya'll think?

On one hand I really like your 4, on the other hand I'm nervous about your ability to fill the 4. You desperately need someone who can defend and rebound, but there isn't a ton of 'win now' options for you left.

There's a veteran left that I like, but I'm not sure how much he has left in the tank.

I think I'm pickin up what you're layin down...

And I'm pretty sure Roy thinks he has a LOT left in the tank.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 04:31:03 PM
Kyrie Irving
?
?
Ryan Anderson
Andrew 'Two-face' Bynum


Is that "healthy" face and the more often "injured" face?

No

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/088b9250da48a9e1849b02078b184642/tumblr_mihchwLZ0h1rl88sqo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 19, 2013, 04:32:11 PM
Kyrie Irving
?
?
Ryan Anderson
Andrew 'Two-face' Bynum


Is that "healthy" face and the more often "injured" face?

No

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/088b9250da48a9e1849b02078b184642/tumblr_mihchwLZ0h1rl88sqo1_1280.jpg)


Side effect of years playing with Kobe.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:32:41 PM
PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Monta Ellis
SF: 
PF:  Tristan Thompson
C:  Pau Gasol

I know this is probably a team you are building for next year because of Gasol's injury so I will temper Gthis. I love the Parker/Gasol pairing but if you want to win now, what's up with Monta and TT?

Monta is as close to a bereft man's Allen Iverson as you can get(and that isn't a compliment). Shoots way too much, isn't efficient in his scoring, loves the ball in his hands and can't guard 2 guard.

Thompson has had a decent run for 20 games. Again, another inefficient scorer and who knows if he can do the same thing on a winning team.

I would never have made that deal that sent your pick(Ryan Anderson) to Cleveland for Thompson. Anderson would have great on that team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
Lakers

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

Total salary spent: $52.69 million
Cap remaining: $46.61 million

Pretty sure I know who you are targeting with your next pick.

If I have the right guy, I think he would fit in greatly with the type of games Redick and Kirilenko have. Give you very impressive balance overall. Four ball-handlers and well above average passers who are all strong decision makers.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:35:37 PM
Turned the terrible twosome of Jennings and Monta into this:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: 3.12
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic

I call them Team 3s 'n' boards, because I have two great 3pt shooters and two great offensive rebounders.

I also like how my defense is developing. Matthews, Lee, and Pekovic are all known for good defense at their respective positions, and I plan on drafting some good defensive bench players at the 1 and the 3.

How's it look?
I really like what you did here but, honestly, I am not a huge fan of Jennings. I think there are 2-3 PGs still left to draft I would want running my team besides Jennings.(Full disclosure I has a team with Jennings once but he wasn't running the offense, that was LeBron)

But, my own preferences aside, a very solid squad thus far.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 04:36:24 PM
Brooklyn Nets

PG: George Hill ($8.00m)
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
SF: Kawahi Leonard ($1.81m)
PF: Glaring hole ???
 C: Brook Lopez ($3.67m)

Salary Cap: $83.11m
Remaining Salary: $31.78m


So, what ya'll think?

On one hand I really like your 4, on the other hand I'm nervous about your ability to fill the 4. You desperately need someone who can defend and rebound, but there isn't a ton of 'win now' options for you left.

There's a veteran left that I like, but I'm not sure how much he has left in the tank.

I think I'm pickin up what you're layin down...

And I'm pretty sure Roy thinks he has a LOT left in the tank.

You sir are correct.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:37:53 PM
Lakers

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

Total salary spent: $52.69 million
Cap remaining: $46.61 million

Pretty sure I know who you are targeting with your next pick.

If I have the right guy, I think he would fit in greatly with the type of games Redick and Kirilenko have. Give you very impressive balance overall. Four ball-handlers and well above average passers who are all strong decision makers.
I might draft a backup before I draft that SF you are thinking of as I think that SF might be around a little and if not, there's another who is a perfect fit that I know will be there later.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 19, 2013, 04:37:58 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 19, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Brooklyn Nets

PG: George Hill ($8.00m)
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
SF: Kawahi Leonard ($1.81m)
PF: Glaring hole ???
 C: Brook Lopez ($3.67m)

Salary Cap: $83.11m
Remaining Salary: $31.78m


So, what ya'll think?

On one hand I really like your 4, on the other hand I'm nervous about your ability to fill the 4. You desperately need someone who can defend and rebound, but there isn't a ton of 'win now' options for you left.

There's a veteran left that I like, but I'm not sure how much he has left in the tank.

I think I'm pickin up what you're layin down...

And I'm pretty sure Roy thinks he has a LOT left in the tank.

You sir are correct.

Is said player the best defensive frontcourt player since Bill Russell?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:39:38 PM
Derrick Rose,  15,000,000.00
Evan Turner,    5,250,000.00
Al Jefferson,  16,400,000.00
Derrick Favours 4,750,000.00
               41,400,000.00

Something like 30 millions in CAP Space
If Rose can get back this year and this team could have actually won enough without him to make the playoffs, then, I think you are a definite title contender. I believe though that that title run would probably have to wait until next year.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 04:41:24 PM
I wonder where I can get a jump-shooting big man.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 19, 2013, 04:41:56 PM
I wonder where I can get a jump-shooting big man.


Just look for the wiggle.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 04:42:26 PM
Turned the terrible twosome of Jennings and Monta into this:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: 3.12
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic

I call them Team 3s 'n' boards, because I have two great 3pt shooters and two great offensive rebounders.

I also like how my defense is developing. Matthews, Lee, and Pekovic are all known for good defense at their respective positions, and I plan on drafting some good defensive bench players at the 1 and the 3.

How's it look?

I was kind of hoping you would put a defensive center alongside David Lee.

Interior defense is a concern. Lee and Pekovic are a tad slow footed. I think you need a strong defensive player with good mobility behind them.

I think that would make a difference to your team. Give it more defensive integrity. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 04:42:34 PM
Kyrie Irving
?
?
Ryan Anderson
Andrew 'Two-face' Bynum

That three man core is strong enough to be a title contender with the right supporting cast if A.Bynum can stay healthy.

Need strong defensive players in supporting cast.

All over the court (starting wings, backup bigs, backup wings) except maybe PG where I think another player who is comfortable in a PG centric offense would be more important. Someone who can create for both himself and for others.

The offensive firepower of Kyrie, A.Bynum and R.Anderson is huge.

Yup. My thoughts mirror this.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 04:42:56 PM
Now usually I don't do this but...

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (43.5)
C: Tim Duncan (9.6 / 10.3 / 10 play op)
PF: Kevin Garnett (11.5 / 12.4 / 12 (unguaranteed)
SF: Jared Dudley (4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 eto)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 / 2.9 play op)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:43:44 PM
SUNS

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts?
Me thinks you might have a very good squad this year but the next couple years might suck as you have three players I think might be having decent size downturns in their games. Heck, Gerald Wallace is already there.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 04:44:16 PM
Now usually I don't do this but...

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (43.5)
C: Tim Duncan (9.6 / 10.3 / 10 play op)
PF: Kevin Garnett (11.5 / 12.4 / 12 (unguaranteed)
SF: Jared Dudley (4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 eto)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 / 2.9 play op)

Probably another post player as the latter-3 are all jump-shooters I think.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 04:45:27 PM
Now usually I don't do this but...

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (43.5)
C: Tim Duncan (9.6 / 10.3 / 10 play op)
PF: Kevin Garnett (11.5 / 12.4 / 12 (unguaranteed)
SF: Jared Dudley (4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 eto)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 / 2.9 play op)

In good shape. There is still a good bit of talent available at PG so you should get a good player there to round out your lineup.

I would like to see one more quality scorer off the bench if possible. It looks like you have good wiggle room financially so that should be doable.

That could be a title contender.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 19, 2013, 04:45:31 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 04:46:16 PM
Now usually I don't do this but...

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (43.5)
C: Tim Duncan (9.6 / 10.3 / 10 play op)
PF: Kevin Garnett (11.5 / 12.4 / 12 (unguaranteed)
SF: Jared Dudley (4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 eto)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 / 2.9 play op)

Probably another post player as the latter-3 are all jump-shooters I think.

Ooh, yeah (post scorer), one guy would be perfect here.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 19, 2013, 04:46:33 PM
Now usually I don't do this but...

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (43.5)
C: Tim Duncan (9.6 / 10.3 / 10 play op)
PF: Kevin Garnett (11.5 / 12.4 / 12 (unguaranteed)
SF: Jared Dudley (4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 eto)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 / 2.9 play op)

Three quality players and stand up character guys and JR Smith. If the did an NBATV documentary about this team, I'd watch.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 04:47:57 PM
Now usually I don't do this but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9EUEa63rM

Quote
Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (43.5)
C: Tim Duncan (9.6 / 10.3 / 10 play op)
PF: Kevin Garnett (11.5 / 12.4 / 12 (unguaranteed)
SF: Jared Dudley (4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 eto)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 / 2.9 play op)

Not crazy about JR Smith, but with Tim and KG and Jared Dudley, there needs to be some crazy up in there.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:49:33 PM
Jrue Holiday
Jamal Crawford
Kevin Martin
Josh Smith
Javale McGee


I embrace hate  :-*
Well, at least I am a fan of one of your players.

Love Jrue but the rest....yikes!!!

JaVale...headcase
Josh...multi million dollar talent and athleticism...2 dollar BBIQ
Jamal...never saw a shot he didn't love
Martin...glass be very careful when opening.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 04:50:09 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 19, 2013, 04:50:22 PM
C:Andre Drummond
PF: Greg Monroe
SF: Chandler Parsons
SG:
PG: Darren Collison

Your future, we haz it.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:50:37 PM
Brooklyn Nets

PG: George Hill ($8.00m)
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
SF: Kawahi Leonard ($1.81m)
PF: Glaring hole ???
 C: Brook Lopez ($3.67m)

Salary Cap: $83.11m
Remaining Salary: $31.78m


So, what ya'll think?
Simple...one of the top three teams in the league

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 04:50:56 PM
SUNS

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts?

Need to plan your bench carefully. The contracts, I mean.

Not much room for mistakes. Low priced deals needed.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 04:51:12 PM
LOB CITY!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 04:51:57 PM
Now usually I don't do this but...

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (43.5)
C: Tim Duncan (9.6 / 10.3 / 10 play op)
PF: Kevin Garnett (11.5 / 12.4 / 12 (unguaranteed)
SF: Jared Dudley (4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 eto)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 / 2.9 play op)

Probably another post player as the latter-3 are all jump-shooters I think.

Ooh, yeah (post scorer), one guy would be perfect here.

Thought about him, but I needed a scorer who could create a little with JR Smith. Plus, I think I'd rather get some versatility out of my first bench guy.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:52:12 PM
Kyrie Irving
?
?
Ryan Anderson
Andrew 'Two-face' Bynum
A solid foundation. Had Bynum and Irving in last year's Pick 2, I really like the combo and Anderson is a perfect third scorer and great rebounder. Lots of work still to do.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 04:53:15 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D

What crazy kooky universe occurs where Jeff Green is getting 5.5 rebounds per?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 04:54:42 PM
C:Andre Drummond
PF: Greg Monroe
SF: Chandler Parsons
SG:
PG: Darren Collison

Your future, we haz it.

I thought the Darren Collison pick was really poor. I can appreciate wanting to save money, but if you're going to do that, why not go with someone with a little more upside? Or spend a little extra on a proven guy on a short contract?

Love Monroe and Drummond. And Parsons will put the ladies behinds in the seats, that's for sure.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 19, 2013, 04:55:11 PM
1- Chris Paul
2- ?
3- Kyle Korver
4- Blake Griffin
5- Larry Sanders
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 04:55:27 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D

What crazy kooky universe occurs where Jeff Green is getting 5.5 rebounds per?

"Hey. Eff off" - John Hollinger
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 04:56:48 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D

What crazy kooky universe occurs where Jeff Green is getting 5.5 rebounds per?

His career average is 5.2 and he had 6.7 one year...
Once again you are underestimating "Mean Green"
I was being conservative!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 04:57:29 PM
1- Chris Paul
2- ?
3- Kyle Korver
4- Blake Griffin
5- Larry Sanders

The actual guy who mans the 3 (and the 2) for the Clippers I think would've served you much better than Korver, but I'm absolutely excited about Larry Sanders growing next to Griffin. I think he might even hold them back a little this season, but I also think in a year or so he'll be the difference between fringe contender and outright contender.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 19, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
Hey guys! Pick me! Pick me!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 04:58:24 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D

What crazy kooky universe occurs where Jeff Green is getting 5.5 rebounds per?

His career average is 5.2 and he had 6.7 one year...
Once again you are underestimating "Mean Green"
I was being conservative!

Haha...he was playing 37 minutes a game at the power forward and giving up twice as many points as he scored! I don't think that's the El Jefe you're imagining, is it?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 04:59:04 PM
1- Chris Paul
2- ?
3- Kyle Korver
4- Blake Griffin
5- Larry Sanders

You might want some better-FT%-shooting bigs for clutch time!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 19, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
Now usually I don't do this but...

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (43.5)
C: Tim Duncan (9.6 / 10.3 / 10 play op)
PF: Kevin Garnett (11.5 / 12.4 / 12 (unguaranteed)
SF: Jared Dudley (4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 / 4.2 eto)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 / 2.9 play op)
Garnett is going to end up kicking the ever living crap out of JR Smith after half a season of seeing Smith jack up 30 footers with 15 seconds on the shot clock, but other than that, one of the best team in the east so long as your playoff games don't go into overtime and KG and TD don't have to start playing 40 MPG.

That's the thing with having KG and TD. They are 30MPG players at best and over an extended time where they have to play more than that, I think you will start to see inconsistent production and a drop in production. For that reason, you have to get deep in the frontcourt and I would have chosen a back up big before Smith.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:00:11 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D

What crazy kooky universe occurs where Jeff Green is getting 5.5 rebounds per?

His career average is 5.2 and he had 6.7 one year...
Once again you are underestimating "Mean Green"
I was being conservative!

Haha...he was playing 37 minutes a game at the power forward and giving up twice as many points as he scored! I don't think that's the El Jefe you're imagining, is it?

He is much improved now and if he doesn't get them Omolph Zasik will get them.

Jeff is even getting 4.8 per36 right now, with the Celtics!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 19, 2013, 05:01:25 PM
C:Andre Drummond
PF: Greg Monroe
SF: Chandler Parsons
SG:
PG: Darren Collison

Your future, we haz it.

I thought the Darren Collison pick was really poor. I can appreciate wanting to save money, but if you're going to do that, why not go with someone with a little more upside? Or spend a little extra on a proven guy on a short contract?

Love Monroe and Drummond. And Parsons will put the ladies behinds in the seats, that's for sure.

I saw that coming, judging by your spreadsheet. But thinking long term, I'm going to have to resign Drummond and Monroe, they're the core. So insane overspending ( see what I did there) didn't make sense for what I'm trying to do. Collison has already proven he can be a valuable cog in a playoff team that's built around it's front court. There were a couple of valuable veterans but I didn't think they were tremendously useful on this team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 05:03:41 PM
Hey guys! Pick me! Pick me!

Gotta go young with your next pick:

BPA is probably not a pure point guard, but I'd atleast consider him. If not, you've got two good, young PG options if you want to go that direction.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 19, 2013, 05:05:04 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D

What crazy kooky universe occurs where Jeff Green is getting 5.5 rebounds per?

His career average is 5.2 and he had 6.7 one year...
Once again you are underestimating "Mean Green"
I was being conservative!

Haha...he was playing 37 minutes a game at the power forward and giving up twice as many points as he scored! I don't think that's the El Jefe you're imagining, is it?

He is much improved now and if he doesn't get them Omolph Zasik will get them.

Jeff is even getting 4.8 per36 right now, with the Celtics!

It won't matter, I suppose, when my team plays yours head-to-head. JG will go iso on every play and never miss, so there won't be any rebounds.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 19, 2013, 05:05:35 PM
Pacers

PG - S. Nash
SG - A. Afflalo
SF - P. George
PF -
C  - R. Hibbert

--------------

I recently realized keeping West and searching for a Hibbert replacement was probably the ideal way to go.

Tough to find those thriple threat big men who can post-up/d-up/and rebound.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:06:05 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D

What crazy kooky universe occurs where Jeff Green is getting 5.5 rebounds per?

His career average is 5.2 and he had 6.7 one year...
Once again you are underestimating "Mean Green"
I was being conservative!

Haha...he was playing 37 minutes a game at the power forward and giving up twice as many points as he scored! I don't think that's the El Jefe you're imagining, is it?

He is much improved now and if he doesn't get them Omolph Zasik will get them.

Jeff is even getting 4.8 per36 right now, with the Celtics!

It won't matter, I suppose, when my team plays yours head-to-head. JG will go iso on every play and never miss, so there won't be any rebounds.

He will. After your cruel player smashed him in the head  >:(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTcc0P5OWMI

Ilysasova is an IlyaLOSER
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
C:Andre Drummond
PF: Greg Monroe
SF: Chandler Parsons
SG:
PG: Darren Collison

Your future, we haz it.

I thought the Darren Collison pick was really poor. I can appreciate wanting to save money, but if you're going to do that, why not go with someone with a little more upside? Or spend a little extra on a proven guy on a short contract?

Love Monroe and Drummond. And Parsons will put the ladies behinds in the seats, that's for sure.

I saw that coming, judging by your spreadsheet. But thinking long term, I'm going to have to resign Drummond and Monroe, they're the core. So insane overspending ( see what I did there) didn't make sense for what I'm trying to do. Collison has already proven he can be a valuable cog in a playoff team that's built around it's front court. There were a couple of valuable veterans but I didn't think they were tremendously useful on this team.

To be fair, I'm the king of overreacting, and I have a tendency to bury guys like Collison who've disappointed based on where I thought they'd be.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 05:07:43 PM
PG:
SG: Oj Mayo
SF: Nic Batum
PF: Paul Milsap
C:  Nikola Vucevic

I think Milsap+Vucevic=Love.

I think Batum is a good player that has likely reached his ceiling, which is a very good player, but not a top 2 player for a playoff team.

OJ Mayo I think is fools gold. Reminds me of another (undrafted) player who had a bad reputation but a great scouting report that gets handed minutes in bunches and bunches on a bad, desperate team, and puts up 20ppg and looks good doing it for at least half of those. But on a playoff team, he couldn't handle playing well with others, and couldn't tailor his game to play within the team's concept.

So yeah. OJ Mayo, not really a fan of him. He's on my 'do not draft' list.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 05:09:33 PM
Pacers

PG - S. Nash
SG - A. Afflalo
SF - P. George
PF -
C  - R. Hibbert

--------------

I recently realized keeping West and searching for a Hibbert replacement was probably the ideal way to go.

Tough to find those thriple threat big men who can post-up/d-up/and rebound.

I absolutely love this team, so much fun.

Personally, I don't think Nash is cooked as much as he's not surrounded by the right guy. D'Antoni or not, he just can't run with this current cast and I think that's why he's resided to being more of a Hornacek 2-guard.

Also, I think Hibbert's a mental midget - but I think having Nash is a good thing for him. I think one of the worst things the Pacers do is force the ball into him in the post when he's just not that gifted offensively. Having Nash run the offense means that this is less likely to happen and things can come a little more naturally to him.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 05:10:12 PM
I laugh at the people who said getting Crawford at 2.5 a reach: your 6th man of the year, crazy crossovers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE3CJwQONws


i dont have the flashy names but with Crawford driving to the basket, Jrue throwing alley-oops to McGee and Smith and Martin hitting the outside shot i have a pretty solid team and Crawford has had no problems with the Clips if anything all he's been getting is high praise :)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 19, 2013, 05:12:17 PM
Actual rebound rates, via hollinger, copied below-

Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Greivis Vasquez (8.0)
Klay Thompson (6.1)
Jeff Green (7.9)
Zach Randolph (19.5)
Omer Asik (21.8)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:12:27 PM
I laugh at the people who said getting Crawford at 2.5 a reach: your 6th man of the year, crazy crossovers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE3CJwQONws


i dont have the flashy names but with Crawford driving to the basket, Jrue throwing alley-oops to McGee and Smith and Martin hitting the outside shot i have a pretty solid team and Crawford has had no problems with the Clips if anything all he's been getting is high praise :)

His shot selection and BBIQ overall is pretty bad.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:13:10 PM
Actual rebound rates, via hollinger, copied below-

Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Greivis Vasquez (8.0)
Klay Thompson (6.1)
Jeff Green (7.9)
Zach Randolph (19.5)
Omer Asik (21.8)

None of this matters if you're injured and can't play (40% of your team) >:D You shalt not stop my path to the championship! (this year)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 19, 2013, 05:14:01 PM
I laugh at the people who said getting Crawford at 2.5 a reach: your 6th man of the year, crazy crossovers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE3CJwQONws


i dont have the flashy names but with Crawford driving to the basket, Jrue throwing alley-oops to McGee and Smith and Martin hitting the outside shot i have a pretty solid team and Crawford has had no problems with the Clips if anything all he's been getting is high praise :)

Crawford is good at what he does.  However I don't rate what he does something I would want to take at 2.5
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 05:14:25 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D

What crazy kooky universe occurs where Jeff Green is getting 5.5 rebounds per?

His career average is 5.2 and he had 6.7 one year...
Once again you are underestimating "Mean Green"
I was being conservative!

Haha...he was playing 37 minutes a game at the power forward and giving up twice as many points as he scored! I don't think that's the El Jefe you're imagining, is it?

He is much improved now and if he doesn't get them Omolph Zasik will get them.

Jeff is even getting 4.8 per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 05:14:42 PM
Actual rebound rates, via hollinger, copied below-

Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Greivis Vasquez (8.0)
Klay Thompson (6.1)
Jeff Green (7.9)
Zach Randolph (19.5)
Omer Asik (21.8)

Looks like a lot of guys who are happy to rebound the ball.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 05:15:55 PM
I laugh at the people who said getting Crawford at 2.5 a reach: your 6th man of the year, crazy crossovers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE3CJwQONws


i dont have the flashy names but with Crawford driving to the basket, Jrue throwing alley-oops to McGee and Smith and Martin hitting the outside shot i have a pretty solid team and Crawford has had no problems with the Clips if anything all he's been getting is high praise :)

Crawford is good at what he does.  However I don't rate what he does something I would want to take at 2.5

A third round pick or even late second.

I was surprised to see him go high second round.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 05:17:16 PM
I laugh at the people who said getting Crawford at 2.5 a reach: your 6th man of the year, crazy crossovers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE3CJwQONws


i dont have the flashy names but with Crawford driving to the basket, Jrue throwing alley-oops to McGee and Smith and Martin hitting the outside shot i have a pretty solid team and Crawford has had no problems with the Clips if anything all he's been getting is high praise :)

Crawford is good at what he does.  However I don't rate what he does something I would want to take at 2.5

he is the 3rd option for the Clips behind Paul and Griffin respectively you got Granger at the first round who is coming off an injury and will be the second option and maybe maybe he will put numbers like Jamal
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 19, 2013, 05:17:23 PM
PG:
SG: Oj Mayo
SF: Nic Batum
PF: Paul Milsap
C:  Nikola Vucevic

I think Milsap+Vucevic=Love.

I think Batum is a good player that has likely reached his ceiling, which is a very good player, but not a top 2 player for a playoff team.


I've been a big Batum supporter for a few years, count me into the camp that thinks he still has growth.  He's been playing the majority of this season with a right wrist injury.  Severely hampering his shot but forcing him to playmake more.

I think, given some time to heal in the offseason, he'll be back to what he was earlier this year.



Also, I think Hibbert's a mental midget - but I think having Nash is a good thing for him. I think one of the worst things the Pacers do is force the ball into him in the post when he's just not that gifted offensively.

Yeah I just don't really get Roy Hibbert.  You'd think that a guy who is so adept defensively would have a bit more basketball savvy in him offensively.  Nash should at least help him get that turrible FG% up to a respectable number.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:17:48 PM
Did you hear about what happened to all the rebounds?

my team got them.

My team has more! And we're actually all healthy! ;D

I'll concede the healthy part, but not the rebound part. I think I've got you beat at every position except PF.

Rajon Rondo (5.5)
Tyreke Evans (5)
Ersan Ilvasova (6)
Kenneth Faried (10)
Anderson Varejao (14)

Greivis Vasquez (4.5)
Klay Thompson (4)
Jeff Green (5.5)
Zach Randolph (11.5)
Omer Asik (11.5)

You win by a slim margin, but if Anderson's injured he can't get any rebounds! (0) And Rondo's out too, so he might as well get a (0) as well >:D

What crazy kooky universe occurs where Jeff Green is getting 5.5 rebounds per?

His career average is 5.2 and he had 6.7 one year...
Once again you are underestimating "Mean Green"
I was being conservative!

Haha...he was playing 37 minutes a game at the power forward and giving up twice as many points as he scored! I don't think that's the El Jefe you're imagining, is it?

He is much improved now and if he doesn't get them Omolph Zasik will get them.

Jeff is even getting 4.8 per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

And at the guy who brought up Rebound Rate, you'd have to look at his rates from only OKC, or as a SF. When he's a PF, it tells a way different story.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 05:18:23 PM
Actual rebound rates, via hollinger, copied below-

Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Greivis Vasquez (8.0)
Klay Thompson (6.1)
Jeff Green (7.9)
Zach Randolph (19.5)
Omer Asik (21.8)

Looks like a lot of guys who are happy to rebound the ball.

How do I not have a zillion TP's after this world-class zing?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 05:18:45 PM
Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Question: What percent of the available minutes has Ersan Ilyasova played at the small forward position in the last 2 seasons, despite a desperate need from the Bucks for a guy to produce there?

0% He has played 0% of the minutes there. Don't think its tenable here, at least for me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 05:19:23 PM
I laugh at the people who said getting Crawford at 2.5 a reach: your 6th man of the year, crazy crossovers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE3CJwQONws


i dont have the flashy names but with Crawford driving to the basket, Jrue throwing alley-oops to McGee and Smith and Martin hitting the outside shot i have a pretty solid team and Crawford has had no problems with the Clips if anything all he's been getting is high praise :)

Crawford is good at what he does.  However I don't rate what he does something I would want to take at 2.5

A third round pick or even late second.

I was surprised to see him go high second round.

Crawford is a huge reason why the Clips have been so successful and actually there was a good amount of people who wanted to see him in the all star game
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 19, 2013, 05:20:08 PM
Actual rebound rates, via hollinger, copied below-

Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Greivis Vasquez (8.0)
Klay Thompson (6.1)
Jeff Green (7.9)
Zach Randolph (19.5)
Omer Asik (21.8)

Looks like a lot of guys who are happy to rebound the ball.

How do I not have a zillion TP's after this world-class zing?

Try and work in a David Caruso reference next time.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:20:20 PM
Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Question: What percent of the available minutes has Ersan Ilyasova played at the small forward position in the last 2 seasons, despite a desperate need from the Bucks for a guy to produce there?

0% He has played 0% of the minutes there. Don't think its tenable here, at least for me.

And also:

I could also get my rebound rates up if I put 7-footers at all my positions ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 05:21:51 PM
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

No, that's pretty bad.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 05:22:42 PM
Actual rebound rates, via hollinger, copied below-

Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Greivis Vasquez (8.0)
Klay Thompson (6.1)
Jeff Green (7.9)
Zach Randolph (19.5)
Omer Asik (21.8)

Looks like a lot of guys who are happy to rebound the ball.

How do I not have a zillion TP's after this world-class zing?

Try and work in a David Caruso reference next time.

Usually I hate MMQB'ing on zingers. But man has a point here.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 19, 2013, 05:23:19 PM
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

No, that's pretty bad.


You know what's not bad? The Pick 2 Pistons.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 19, 2013, 05:23:32 PM
Jrue Holiday
Jamal Crawford
Kevin Martin
Josh Smith
Javale McGee


I embrace hate  :-*

I get more worried about this team's chemistry each time I see it.

I would be pretty tempted to put JaVale McGee on the bench and bring in someone less talented but reliable to play in front of him for 20-25 minutes a night. Like he has in Denver.

I would put Jamal Crawford on the bench and start Kevin Martin. Not sure those two can get enough minutes on the same team. Crawford played pretty badly at PG the last time he played there. I would be reluctant to put him back there at this stage of his career. And Kevin Martin is a one position player. It looks like a problem to get them both enough minutes. Might need to move one of them.

The team desperately needs a veteran dependable presence who is a team first player who will move the ball and play tough defense at the three.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 05:26:10 PM
Jrue Holiday
Jamal Crawford
Kevin Martin
Josh Smith
Javale McGee


I embrace hate  :-*

I get more worried about this team's chemistry each time I see it.

I would be pretty tempted to put JaVale McGee on the bench and bring in someone less talented but reliable to play in front of him for 20-25 minutes a night. Like he has in Denver.

I would put Jamal Crawford on the bench and start Kevin Martin. Not sure those two can get enough minutes on the same team. Crawford played pretty badly at PG the last time he played there. I would be reluctant to put him back there at this stage of his career. And Kevin Martin is a one position player. It looks like a problem to get them both enough minutes. Might need to move one of them.

The team desperately needs a veteran dependable presence who is a team first player who will move the ball and play tough defense at the three.

Yea im going to get another center crawford will get some minutes at sf and so will k-mart
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 19, 2013, 05:28:13 PM
Jrue Holiday
Jamal Crawford
Kevin Martin
Josh Smith
Javale McGee


I embrace hate  :-*

I get more worried about this team's chemistry each time I see it.

I would be pretty tempted to put JaVale McGee on the bench and bring in someone less talented but reliable to play in front of him for 20-25 minutes a night. Like he has in Denver.

I would put Jamal Crawford on the bench and start Kevin Martin. Not sure those two can get enough minutes on the same team. Crawford played pretty badly at PG the last time he played there. I would be reluctant to put him back there at this stage of his career. And Kevin Martin is a one position player. It looks like a problem to get them both enough minutes. Might need to move one of them.

The team desperately needs a veteran dependable presence who is a team first player who will move the ball and play tough defense at the three.

Yea im going to get another center crawford will get some minutes at sf and so will k-mart

Your going to play Martin and Crawford at SF?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 05:29:53 PM
Jrue Holiday
Jamal Crawford
Kevin Martin
Josh Smith
Javale McGee


I embrace hate  :-*

I get more worried about this team's chemistry each time I see it.

I would be pretty tempted to put JaVale McGee on the bench and bring in someone less talented but reliable to play in front of him for 20-25 minutes a night. Like he has in Denver.

I would put Jamal Crawford on the bench and start Kevin Martin. Not sure those two can get enough minutes on the same team. Crawford played pretty badly at PG the last time he played there. I would be reluctant to put him back there at this stage of his career. And Kevin Martin is a one position player. It looks like a problem to get them both enough minutes. Might need to move one of them.

The team desperately needs a veteran dependable presence who is a team first player who will move the ball and play tough defense at the three.

Yea im going to get another center crawford will get some minutes at sf and so will k-mart

Your going to play Martin and Crawford at SF?

No they will both play about 6 minutes at the sf position the rest (for both) will be spent
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 19, 2013, 05:31:05 PM
Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Question: What percent of the available minutes has Ersan Ilyasova played at the small forward position in the last 2 seasons, despite a desperate need from the Bucks for a guy to produce there?

0% He has played 0% of the minutes there. Don't think its tenable here, at least for me.

This is a fair point. Rest assured, I will soon draft another SF who is also extremely happy to rebound the ball.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:32:52 PM
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

No, that's pretty bad.

To name a few, he's better than:

Nicolas Batum
Danny Granger
Paul Pierce (for the past 7 years)
Danilo Gallinari (6'10")
Tayshaun Prince (whole career)
Caron Butler
Jared Dudley (past 4 years)
Grant Hill (past 9 years)
Andre Igoudala

I'd say he's in the upper 50% of all SFs and better than some of his contemporaries, not "pretty bad"
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on February 19, 2013, 05:36:40 PM
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

No, that's pretty bad.

To name a few, he's better than:

Nicolas Batum
Danny Granger
Paul Pierce (for the past 7 years)
Danilo Gallinari (6'10")
Tayshaun Prince (whole career)
Caron Butler
Jared Dudley (past 4 years)
Grant Hill (past 9 years)
Andre Igoudala
False, you're using raw rebounding totals when rebounding rate is the best apples to apples comparison tool. Jeff Green at SF has a respectable 8ish TRB% at SF. Which is worse than many of the players you mention, even though some of them play a lot of SG/PF so its a strange comparison.

I only checked Pierce/Iggy/Batum all had higher rebound rates than 8.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 05:40:56 PM
Actual rebound rates, via hollinger, copied below-

Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Greivis Vasquez (8.0)
Klay Thompson (6.1)
Jeff Green (7.9)
Zach Randolph (19.5)
Omer Asik (21.8)

Looks like a lot of guys who are happy to rebound the ball.

How do I not have a zillion TP's after this world-class zing?

Try and work in a David Caruso reference next time.

Usually I hate MMQB'ing on zingers. But man has a point here.

The team thought they were great at rebounding... turns out, they were DEAD wrong.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 05:42:00 PM


To name a few, he's better than:

Nicolas Batum
Danny Granger
Paul Pierce (for the past 7 years)
Danilo Gallinari (6'10")
Tayshaun Prince (whole career)
Caron Butler
Jared Dudley (past 4 years)
Grant Hill (past 9 years)
Andre Igoudala

I'd say he's in the upper 50% of all SFs and better than some of his contemporaries, not "pretty bad"

I question where you get your stats
Jeff Green is at 6.5 REB PER 48 MIN
That would put him at 34th place for small forwards according to ESPN
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 05:42:17 PM
Actual rebound rates, via hollinger, copied below-

Rajon Rondo (8.8)
Tyreke Evans (8.8)
Ersan Ilvasova (13.2)
Kenneth Faried (18.3)
Anderson Varejao (23.1)

Greivis Vasquez (8.0)
Klay Thompson (6.1)
Jeff Green (7.9)
Zach Randolph (19.5)
Omer Asik (21.8)

Looks like a lot of guys who are happy to rebound the ball.

How do I not have a zillion TP's after this world-class zing?

Well, here's one TP anyway.

I'll tell you though I do hate when you type an ")" after an "8" you get this 8) instead of this 8 )
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:42:38 PM
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

No, that's pretty bad.

To name a few, he's better than:

Nicolas Batum
Danny Granger
Paul Pierce (for the past 7 years)
Danilo Gallinari (6'10")
Tayshaun Prince (whole career)
Caron Butler
Jared Dudley (past 4 years)
Grant Hill (past 9 years)
Andre Igoudala
False, you're using raw rebounding totals when rebounding rate is the best apples to apples comparison tool. Jeff Green at SF has a respectable 8ish TRB% at SF. Which is worse than many of the players you mention, even though some of them play a lot of SG/PF so its a strange comparison.

I only checked Pierce/Iggy/Batum all had higher rebound rates than 8.

The question is, did you only use the rates of him playing SF in OKC? Pretty unlikely. Players get totally different stats on different teams at different positions.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on February 19, 2013, 05:44:16 PM
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

No, that's pretty bad.

To name a few, he's better than:

Nicolas Batum
Danny Granger
Paul Pierce (for the past 7 years)
Danilo Gallinari (6'10")
Tayshaun Prince (whole career)
Caron Butler
Jared Dudley (past 4 years)
Grant Hill (past 9 years)
Andre Igoudala
False, you're using raw rebounding totals when rebounding rate is the best apples to apples comparison tool. Jeff Green at SF has a respectable 8ish TRB% at SF. Which is worse than many of the players you mention, even though some of them play a lot of SG/PF so its a strange comparison.

I only checked Pierce/Iggy/Batum all had higher rebound rates than 8.

The question is, did you only use the rates of him playing SF in OKC? Pretty unlikely. Players get totally different stats on different teams at different positions.
I only used the rates for him in BOS, where he has primarily played the SF position.

Even if you take his best rebounding season by TRB% (when he played a lot of PF) he's still worse than plenty of the guys on your list.

Jeff Green is an average rebounding SF. He's certainly not better than the majority of the guys you listed.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:47:35 PM
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

No, that's pretty bad.

To name a few, he's better than:

Nicolas Batum
Danny Granger
Paul Pierce (for the past 7 years)
Danilo Gallinari (6'10")
Tayshaun Prince (whole career)
Caron Butler
Jared Dudley (past 4 years)
Grant Hill (past 9 years)
Andre Igoudala
False, you're using raw rebounding totals when rebounding rate is the best apples to apples comparison tool. Jeff Green at SF has a respectable 8ish TRB% at SF. Which is worse than many of the players you mention, even though some of them play a lot of SG/PF so its a strange comparison.

I only checked Pierce/Iggy/Batum all had higher rebound rates than 8.

The question is, did you only use the rates of him playing SF in OKC? Pretty unlikely. Players get totally different stats on different teams at different positions.
I only used the rates for him in BOS, where he has primarily played the SF position.

Even if you take his best rebounding season by TRB% (when he played a lot of PF) he's still worse than plenty of the guys on your list.

Jeff Green is an average rebounding SF. He's certainly not better than the majority of the guys you listed.

Well, then. I guess I'm pretty stumped by why he has better RP36M numbers. Could someone explain to me?  ???
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 05:49:44 PM

Well, then. I guess I'm pretty stumped by why he has better RP36M numbers. Could someone explain to me?  ???

I question where you get your stats
Jeff Green is at 6.5 REB PER 48 MIN
That would put him at 34th place for small forwards according to ESPN
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:50:38 PM

Well, then. I guess I'm pretty stumped by why he has better RP36M numbers. Could someone explain to me?  ???

I question where you get your stats
Jeff Green is at 6.5 REB PER 48 MIN
That would put him at 34th place for small forwards according to ESPN

If you read ANY of my previous posts, I was alluding to his time as a SF in OKC, per thirty-six minutes from BRef, which would be most similar to his position on my team ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on February 19, 2013, 05:51:07 PM
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

No, that's pretty bad.

To name a few, he's better than:

Nicolas Batum
Danny Granger
Paul Pierce (for the past 7 years)
Danilo Gallinari (6'10")
Tayshaun Prince (whole career)
Caron Butler
Jared Dudley (past 4 years)
Grant Hill (past 9 years)
Andre Igoudala
False, you're using raw rebounding totals when rebounding rate is the best apples to apples comparison tool. Jeff Green at SF has a respectable 8ish TRB% at SF. Which is worse than many of the players you mention, even though some of them play a lot of SG/PF so its a strange comparison.

I only checked Pierce/Iggy/Batum all had higher rebound rates than 8.

The question is, did you only use the rates of him playing SF in OKC? Pretty unlikely. Players get totally different stats on different teams at different positions.
I only used the rates for him in BOS, where he has primarily played the SF position.

Even if you take his best rebounding season by TRB% (when he played a lot of PF) he's still worse than plenty of the guys on your list.

Jeff Green is an average rebounding SF. He's certainly not better than the majority of the guys you listed.

Well, then. I guess I'm pretty stumped by why he has better RP36M numbers. Could someone explain to me?  ???
Pace and number of turnovers teams have/force. You can only get a rebound off a shot or a missed FTA that's the last FTA in a sequence.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 05:53:04 PM

Well, then. I guess I'm pretty stumped by why he has better RP36M numbers. Could someone explain to me?  ???

I question where you get your stats
Jeff Green is at 6.5 REB PER 48 MIN
That would put him at 34th place for small forwards according to ESPN

If you read ANY of my previous posts, I was alluding to his time as a SF in OKC, per thirty-six minutes from BRef, which would be most similar to his position on my team ;D


LOL at this he is 34th for the Celtics who are a terrible rebounding team yet you think he will put up the numbers he put up in OKC with Randolph and Asik get out
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 19, 2013, 05:53:28 PM
PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Monta Ellis
SF: 
PF:  Tristan Thompson
C:  Pau Gasol

Ideally I want Ellis as a sixth man on this team, but I'm not sure I'll be able to find starter-caliber wings this late that would allow me that luxury.  If I can't, I'll probably try to trade him because I don't like him starting alongside Parker and Gasol. 

Thompson hasn't developed his range yet, but he's becoming a versatile defender, an excellent rebounder and can put up points without having plays drawn up for him.  He also has upside, whereas everybody else on the team has already peaked. 

My primary concern for this team is spacing.  Ideally, both of my wings will be able to hit the three and defend.  I don't need them to be great scorers, just good enough shooters that they can punish defenders for helping off of them. 

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 05:54:13 PM
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes: Career worst for Jeff Green

He had 6.1 per 36 minutes in his rookie season, as a SF.
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

No, that's pretty bad.

To name a few, he's better than:

Nicolas Batum
Danny Granger
Paul Pierce (for the past 7 years)
Danilo Gallinari (6'10")
Tayshaun Prince (whole career)
Caron Butler
Jared Dudley (past 4 years)
Grant Hill (past 9 years)
Andre Igoudala
False, you're using raw rebounding totals when rebounding rate is the best apples to apples comparison tool. Jeff Green at SF has a respectable 8ish TRB% at SF. Which is worse than many of the players you mention, even though some of them play a lot of SG/PF so its a strange comparison.

I only checked Pierce/Iggy/Batum all had higher rebound rates than 8.

The question is, did you only use the rates of him playing SF in OKC? Pretty unlikely. Players get totally different stats on different teams at different positions.
I only used the rates for him in BOS, where he has primarily played the SF position.

Even if you take his best rebounding season by TRB% (when he played a lot of PF) he's still worse than plenty of the guys on your list.

Jeff Green is an average rebounding SF. He's certainly not better than the majority of the guys you listed.

Well, then. I guess I'm pretty stumped by why he has better RP36M numbers. Could someone explain to me?  ???
Pace and number of turnovers teams have/force. You can only get a rebound off a shot or a missed FTA that's the last FTA in a sequence.

Yea, so that's what I was trying to say, since Boston plays at a slow pace compared to the OKC teams he was on. Plus, the "NO OFF REBS". That wouldn't be part of my plan at all.

I think I should cool off. I always start to dominate these threads and make them go off-topic.

Sorry
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on February 19, 2013, 05:59:45 PM

Yea, so that's what I was trying to say, since Boston plays at a slow pace compared to the OKC teams he was on. Plus, the "NO OFF REBS". That wouldn't be part of my plan at all.

I think I should cool off. I always start to dominate these threads and make them go off-topic.

Sorry
That wasn't what you were trying to say at all. You were trying to say he's better than "this list of players" at rebounding.

His TRB% both in OKC and in BOS clearly indicate that claim to be false. The TRB% already normalizes for all the factors you speak of.

It doesn't deal with team rebounding sure, but again in that area Jeff Green is pretty average. He gets slightly below average rebounds for a SF, but he does a good job preventing most other SFs from getting boards.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 06:01:30 PM
<Never mind everything>
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 06:07:02 PM
My teams the best, you guys.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 19, 2013, 06:07:57 PM
My teams the best, you guys.

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Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on February 19, 2013, 06:09:00 PM
My teams the best, you guys.
Its pretty impressive, I'm interested to who you fill out your PF/C rotation with.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 19, 2013, 06:09:18 PM

Yea, so that's what I was trying to say, since Boston plays at a slow pace compared to the OKC teams he was on. Plus, the "NO OFF REBS". That wouldn't be part of my plan at all.

I think I should cool off. I always start to dominate these threads and make them go off-topic.

Sorry
That wasn't what you were trying to say at all. You were trying to say he's better than "this list of players" at rebounding.

His TRB% both in OKC and in BOS clearly indicate that claim to be false. The TRB% already normalizes for all the factors you speak of.

It doesn't deal with team rebounding sure, but again in that area Jeff Green is pretty average. He gets slightly below average rebounds for a SF, but he does a good job preventing most other SFs from getting boards.

To be fair he did say,

Quote
Jeff is even getting 4.8 rebounds per36 right now, with the Celtics!

Quote
I don't consider anything he did as a PF very important since he will never play SF on this team.
And his stats in Boston are pretty flawed with a slower pace, no offensive boards etc.

Quote
In his years at OKC he had: 5.4, 5.8, 6.1, 6.5
That's pretty good.

So that kinda was what he was trying to say
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on February 19, 2013, 06:12:53 PM
So that kinda was what he was trying to say
Originally yeah, I just saw the big old list of guys who all rebound more than Jeff Green as "worse" than Green.

I definitely don't agree with IP that his rebounding is "pretty bad". I wouldn't say "pretty good" either though.

Like most things Jeff Green, meh!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 19, 2013, 06:13:48 PM
Looking to'ake trades everyone is available besides wade
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 19, 2013, 06:15:55 PM
1- Chris Paul
2- ?
3- Kyle Korver
4- Blake Griffin
5- Larry Sanders

The actual guy who mans the 3 (and the 2) for the Clippers I think would've served you much better than Korver, but I'm absolutely excited about Larry Sanders growing next to Griffin. I think he might even hold them back a little this season, but I also think in a year or so he'll be the difference between fringe contender and outright contender.
You don't think Sanders is better than Jordan right now? Because all the numbers indicate that is the case
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 06:18:32 PM
Looking to'ake trades everyone is available besides wade

You need to move Wallace or Boozer, badly.

Only having 20mil or so left to spend is not going to work if you want to have any sort of bench.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 06:19:10 PM
Like most things Jeff Green, meh!

He can be a glue guy, and I'm fine with that! ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 06:21:36 PM
1- Chris Paul
2- ?
3- Kyle Korver
4- Blake Griffin
5- Larry Sanders

The actual guy who mans the 3 (and the 2) for the Clippers I think would've served you much better than Korver, but I'm absolutely excited about Larry Sanders growing next to Griffin. I think he might even hold them back a little this season, but I also think in a year or so he'll be the difference between fringe contender and outright contender.
You don't think Sanders is better than Jordan right now? Because all the numbers indicate that is the case

I 100% think Sanders will be better.  He is not currently better though.

DeAndre has a very specific role he is asked to fill, and does it rather well.  I don't think Sander has nearly enough experience to be relied upon in that role.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 19, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
Like most things Jeff Green, meh!

He can be a glue guy, and I'm fine with that! ;D

Not to pile on, but I don't see how you consider your team a contender. 

You have one above average offensive player, (Randolph), one average offensive player (Green), and three below average offensive players (Vasquez, Thompson, Asik).  Thompson and Green have room for growth on this end, but Vasquez and Asik really don't.

You have one above average defensive player (Asik), one average defensive player (Green), and three below average defensive players (Vasquez, Thompson, Randolph).  Green can grow in this area, the others are too limited physically to get much better. 

You can argue the rebounding angle all you want (and for the record, I agree that you'll have a strong team on the glass).  But the most important parts of the game are getting points and getting stops, and you'll struggle with both.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 06:39:11 PM
Like most things Jeff Green, meh!

He can be a glue guy, and I'm fine with that! ;D

Green is fine as a starting SF.  He'll likely never be an all-star, but as a thrid-banana, I think he's suited well enough.

Overall, I like what you've done to save yourself from the Gasol fiasco, by plugging in Asik.  The back-court has got to go though.  Not ready for the big stage.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 06:41:45 PM
Like most things Jeff Green, meh!

He can be a glue guy, and I'm fine with that! ;D

Not to pile on, but I don't see how you consider your team a contender. 

You have one above average offensive player, (Randolph), one average offensive player (Green), and three below average offensive players (Vasquez, Thompson, Asik).  Thompson and Green have room for growth on this end, but Vasquez and Asik really don't.

You have one above average defensive player (Asik), one average defensive player (Green), and three below average defensive players (Vasquez, Thompson, Randolph).  Green can grow in this area, the others are too limited physically to get much better. 

You can argue the rebounding angle all you want (and for the record, I agree that you'll have a strong team on the glass).  But the most important parts of the game are getting points and getting stops, and you'll struggle with both.

If Vasquez is below average in offense and defense, so is Rondo and we might as well give up everything here in Boston. Vasquez is a passer and is good at that; he averages 9.4 apg which is good enough to facilitate this team. He has above average court vision, and is a plus rebounder.

Klay Thompson is absolutely not a below average offensive player, he averages 16.4ppg in his second year. He shot lights out from 3P last year, and is a scorer and shooter. He's a Kevin Martin kind of guy. Not a good defender really.

Jeff Green is average in everything, according to you guys, but I also think he can score 20 ppg (he's done it in the past, he can do it again). Coming out recently, he's not a bad defensive player either. I'd say he's average at the worst.

ZBo clogs up the paint both on offense and defense and is a double-double threat every game. He's one of the guys who might be Rebound King this year, and he can score too, great post player. I'd say he's not an average defender, but his offense makes up for that.

And Asik is a top-2 defender for his position, he's definitely one of the premier defensive guys in this league. He can rebound nearly as well as Randolph, and though he's limited offensively, I expect Vasquez to improve him on that front (I mean, Jeremy Lin got him 10 ppg). He will only improve on offense (honestly, Nick) and his defense is HUGE.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 19, 2013, 06:44:04 PM
Got two more picks tomorrow to round out my starting 5 so we will know alot more about my squad then, but im happy with where im at right now

C:  Horford
PF: K. Love
SF: Granger
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 19, 2013, 06:48:05 PM
1- Chris Paul
2- ?
3- Kyle Korver
4- Blake Griffin
5- Larry Sanders

The actual guy who mans the 3 (and the 2) for the Clippers I think would've served you much better than Korver, but I'm absolutely excited about Larry Sanders growing next to Griffin. I think he might even hold them back a little this season, but I also think in a year or so he'll be the difference between fringe contender and outright contender.
You don't think Sanders is better than Jordan right now? Because all the numbers indicate that is the case

I 100% think Sanders will be better.  He is not currently better though.

DeAndre has a very specific role he is asked to fill, and does it rather well.  I don't think Sander has nearly enough experience to be relied upon in that role.
Statistically Sanders is a better defender, better shot blocker and more likely to score on a non dunk. What is Jordan better at?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 06:52:16 PM
1- Chris Paul
2- ?
3- Kyle Korver
4- Blake Griffin
5- Larry Sanders

The actual guy who mans the 3 (and the 2) for the Clippers I think would've served you much better than Korver, but I'm absolutely excited about Larry Sanders growing next to Griffin. I think he might even hold them back a little this season, but I also think in a year or so he'll be the difference between fringe contender and outright contender.
You don't think Sanders is better than Jordan right now? Because all the numbers indicate that is the case

I 100% think Sanders will be better.  He is not currently better though.

DeAndre has a very specific role he is asked to fill, and does it rather well.  I don't think Sander has nearly enough experience to be relied upon in that role.
Statistically Sanders is a better defender, better shot blocker and more likely to score on a non dunk. What is Jordan better at?

Doing what Sanders is doing in Milwaukee isn't the same as doing for a title contender.

I'm not entirely sure he'd be ready for the bright lights immediately.  It's possible, but unknown.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 19, 2013, 06:56:08 PM
If Vasquez is below average in offense and defense, so is Rondo and we might as well give up everything here in Boston. Vasquez is a passer and is good at that; he averages 9.4 apg which is good enough to facilitate this team. He has above average court vision, and is a plus rebounder.

You keep comparing him to Rondo, which is crap.  Rondo is a better passer, better rebounder, and better defender (even this year, when Rondo's defense lapsed noticeably, he's still tipping balls and creating turnovers; Vasquez doesn't do this).  Rondo is way better as a finisher.  Vasquez is a better shooter from deep, but that's the only thing he has over Rondo. 

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Klay Thompson is absolutely not a below average offensive player, he averages 16.4ppg in his second year. He shot lights out from 3P last year, and is a scorer and shooter. He's a Kevin Martin kind of guy. Not a good defender really.

He has one above average skill, the three point shot.  Aside from that, he's shooting 41.6% on the year and doesn't get to the line.  That's not above average as far as I'm concerned. 

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Jeff Green is average in everything, according to you guys, but I also think he can score 20 ppg (he's done it in the past, he can do it again). Coming out recently, he's not a bad defensive player either. I'd say he's average at the worst.

In his best scoring year, he averaged 16.5 points per game.  Are you just making numbers up now?  And like I said - as a defender, average. 

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ZBo clogs up the paint both on offense and defense and is a double-double threat every game. He's one of the guys who might be Rebound King this year, and he can score too, great post player. I'd say he's not an average defender, but his offense makes up for that.

Like I said:  good on offense, not on defense.

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And Asik is a top-2 defender for his position, he's definitely one of the premier defensive guys in this league. He can rebound nearly as well as Randolph, and though he's limited offensively, I expect Vasquez to improve him on that front (I mean, Jeremy Lin got him 10 ppg). He will only improve on offense (honestly, Nick) and his defense is HUGE.

I'm not quite as high on his defense.  He's good, but not great.  Noah, Howard, Garnett, and Duncan are all better.  Bogut, Varejao and Bynum are better when healthy.

I also don't see the growth potential on offense.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 06:56:17 PM
Got two more picks tomorrow to round out my starting 5 so we will know alot more about my squad then, but im happy with where im at right now

C:  Horford
PF: K. Love
SF: Granger

Yeah, I lke what you've got going on with your roster right now.

Drafting wisely tomorrow will be important, but it looks like you've got the picks to pull it off.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 19, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
Ok New setup not much different then before but a swap in PF which i think is good for my team
also I'm up now if people have suggestions as to who I should add
PG: Lawson
SG: Beal
SF:
PF: Thad Young
C: Demarcus Cousins
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 19, 2013, 07:04:47 PM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 19, 2013, 07:05:29 PM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Contender. I really like this team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 07:10:39 PM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Ha. Just saw the bottom line. I agree, Derozan's a bad fit here. But why pick him in the first place? Seems like there's plenty of talent at the 2 that would fit you just fine.

Need shooting and defense out of that 2 guard, and I'd look to pick a backup PG with some defensive ability soon.

Fantastic team though. Kinda feel like the KG rumors have knocked down DeAndre's value. He definitely should've been a first round pick.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 07:12:37 PM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Look for a "3 and D" type of guy
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 07:14:49 PM
Ok New setup not much different then before but a swap in PF which i think is good for my team
also I'm up now if people have suggestions as to who I should add
PG: Lawson
SG: Beal
SF:
PF: Thad Young
C: Demarcus Cousins

This is one of my favorite teams. Real nice assemblage of young talent that fits well together. I actually don't like Thad Young much as a player, but his skillset is perfect next to DMC (and with Lawson at point).
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 19, 2013, 07:14:56 PM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Ha. Just saw the bottom line. I agree, Derozan's a bad fit here. But why pick him in the first place? Seems like there's plenty of talent at the 2 that would fit you just fine.

Need shooting and defense out of that 2 guard, and I'd look to pick a backup PG with some defensive ability soon.

Fantastic team though. Kinda feel like the KG rumors have knocked down DeAndre's value. He definitely should've been a first round pick.

I had a deal in place that didn't fall through. Looking for a few picks in later rounders to fill out my roster and thought Derozan would have more trade value than some other wings.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 07:15:28 PM
Someone should make a list of who they think will be playoff teams ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 07:16:06 PM
Someone should make a list of who they think will be playoff teams ;D

its to early to tell right now
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 07:17:23 PM
Someone should make a list of who they think will be playoff teams ;D

its to early to tell right now

To be honest, it's just about the time where most people have filled up their starting lineups. Can we make a list of who the clear-cut contenders are? ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 07:18:01 PM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Ha. Just saw the bottom line. I agree, Derozan's a bad fit here. But why pick him in the first place? Seems like there's plenty of talent at the 2 that would fit you just fine.

Need shooting and defense out of that 2 guard, and I'd look to pick a backup PG with some defensive ability soon.

Fantastic team though. Kinda feel like the KG rumors have knocked down DeAndre's value. He definitely should've been a first round pick.

I had a deal in place that didn't fall through. Looking for a few picks in later rounders to fill out my roster and thought Derozan would have more trade value than some other wings.

Makes sense. I suppose if you were forced to keep him he wouldn't be a bad 6th man. Can't keep him in the starting lineup though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 07:25:48 PM
Someone should make a list of who they think will be playoff teams ;D

its to early to tell right now

To be honest, it's just about the time where most people have filled up their starting lineups. Can we make a list of who the clear-cut contenders are? ;D

Sure

1. Brooklyn Nets

I'll let you guys debate the rest
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 07:27:48 PM
Someone should make a list of who they think will be playoff teams ;D

its to early to tell right now

To be honest, it's just about the time where most people have filled up their starting lineups. Can we make a list of who the clear-cut contenders are? ;D

Sure

1. Brookly Nets

I'll let you guys debate the rest

Memphis!

LOL jk. Even I'm know that biased
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 19, 2013, 07:29:38 PM
1- Chris Paul
2- ?
3- Kyle Korver
4- Blake Griffin
5- Larry Sanders

The actual guy who mans the 3 (and the 2) for the Clippers I think would've served you much better than Korver, but I'm absolutely excited about Larry Sanders growing next to Griffin. I think he might even hold them back a little this season, but I also think in a year or so he'll be the difference between fringe contender and outright contender.
You don't think Sanders is better than Jordan right now? Because all the numbers indicate that is the case

I 100% think Sanders will be better.  He is not currently better though.

DeAndre has a very specific role he is asked to fill, and does it rather well.  I don't think Sander has nearly enough experience to be relied upon in that role.
Statistically Sanders is a better defender, better shot blocker and more likely to score on a non dunk. What is Jordan better at?

Doing what Sanders is doing in Milwaukee isn't the same as doing for a title contender.

I'm not entirely sure he'd be ready for the bright lights immediately.  It's possible, but unknown.
You are right it isn't the same, it's better. Sanders is putting up a better defensive rating with less around him defensively. He is setting himself up for alley oops without the benefit of the best point guard in the game.

The only regular rotation player with a better defensive rating than Larry Sanders? Tim Duncan. That's it. He leads the league in blocks per game and block %. Oh and Sanders plays at the end of games unlike Jordan.

I feel like the main reason people think D'Andre is better now is due to the fact that LAC is on TV all the time and Milwaukee never is. Well I have the version of league pass where you pick 5 teams to watch, Milwaukee is one of those teams. I've seen all of his games and you can trust me he's better than Jordan ;-)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 19, 2013, 07:30:59 PM
Raptors
C: Bogut
PF: Ibaka
SF: Gay
SG:
PG: Lowry

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 07:32:55 PM
To be honest, it's just about the time where most people have filled up their starting lineups.

I disagree with this part though.

If no trades were made, every team would have exactly four players.  Some teams have 5 players already, some only have three players.

Generally, the teams with the most elite talent, have less players because those players come at a premium.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 07:33:16 PM
Oh and Sanders plays at the end of games unlike Jordan.

Eh. Sanders is only 57.7% at FTs too.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 07:34:15 PM
To be honest, it's just about the time where most people have filled up their starting lineups.

I disagree with this part though.

If no trades were made, every team would have exactly four players.  Some teams have 5 players already, some only have three players.

Generally, the teams with the most elite talent, have less players because those players come at a premium.

Your roster is pretty good, and it has 4 players, but I think most of us can tell you did a good job ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
To be honest, it's just about the time where most people have filled up their starting lineups.

I disagree with this part though.

If no trades were made, every team would have exactly four players.  Some teams have 5 players already, some only have three players.

Generally, the teams with the most elite talent, have less players because those players come at a premium.

Exactly
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 19, 2013, 07:35:30 PM
Raptors
C: Bogut
PF: Ibaka
SF: Gay
SG:
PG: Lowry

Thoughts?
Great length, potential to be great defensive team. Used to be a huge Lowry fan but he has been unimpressive (at least to me) in Toronto this year.

I would grab a back up big so that you don't have to rely too heavily on Bogut. At the two I would go with either a stalwart defender or a good three point shooter.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 19, 2013, 07:35:49 PM
Raptors
C: Bogut
PF: Ibaka
SF: Gay
SG:
PG: Lowry

Thoughts?

Awww maaaaan, wish you would've drafted Nene.

What's there to say about a Bogut team? Injuries off, your team is outright filthy. Love the idea of Lowry running pick and rolls with Bogut (and Ibaka working the base lines). Interior defense is incredible.

But, who knows at the end of the day. Bogut is a yuge injury risk. And until I see elsewise, I kind have to assume he'll get injured again. Which sucks, because Bogut's awesome.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 19, 2013, 07:37:14 PM
To be honest, it's just about the time where most people have filled up their starting lineups.

I disagree with this part though.

If no trades were made, every team would have exactly four players.  Some teams have 5 players already, some only have three players.

Generally, the teams with the most elite talent, have less players because those players come at a premium.

Your roster is pretty good, and it has 4 players, but I think most of us can tell you did a good job ;D

Thanks, I appreciate the compliments.

However, even I can admit I still have one glaring hole in my roster.  I also have no 3rd round pick.  I'm going to need to make up for it with smart drafting.

Which of course is what I love best.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 07:38:26 PM
Raptors
C: Bogut
PF: Ibaka
SF: Gay
SG:
PG: Lowry

Thoughts?

Awww maaaaan, wish you would've drafted Nene.

What's there to say about a Bogut team? Injuries off, your team is outright filthy. Love the idea of Lowry running pick and rolls with Bogut (and Ibaka working the base lines). Interior defense is incredible.

But, who knows at the end of the day. Bogut is a yuge injury risk. And until I see elsewise, I kind have to assume he'll get injured again. Which sucks, because Bogut's awesome.

One injury and the team goes "meh"

To be honest, it's just about the time where most people have filled up their starting lineups.

I disagree with this part though.

If no trades were made, every team would have exactly four players.  Some teams have 5 players already, some only have three players.

Generally, the teams with the most elite talent, have less players because those players come at a premium.

Your roster is pretty good, and it has 4 players, but I think most of us can tell you did a good job ;D

Thanks, I appreciate the compliments.

However, even I can admit I still have one glaring hole in my roster.  I also have no 3rd round pick.  I'm going to need to make up for it with smart drafting.

Which of course is what I love best.

You don't need a borderline All-Star at every position, all you need is to plug in the holes even with average players. OKC has a "meh" guy in their starting lineup, you can do something like that too
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 19, 2013, 08:03:01 PM
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Martin
SF
PF
J.J Hickson

PG
Jamal Crawford
SF
PF
Javale McGee

I wanted to build a deep team and with 3.3, 4.5, and 4.9 i think i can
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 19, 2013, 08:07:51 PM
Post Trade OKC Thunder

PG: Jrue Holiday
SG:
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: Josh Smith
C:

Still looking for a center but will likely grab a guard next pick
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 19, 2013, 08:15:53 PM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Only team right now that keeps catching my eye. Good job with that group
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 19, 2013, 09:26:42 PM
Filled out my starting 5
PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Bradley Beal
SF: MKG
PF: Thad Young
C: DMC

Thoughts?? Lawson is my oldest player and they're all tied up for at least the next few years.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 19, 2013, 09:28:54 PM
Filled out my starting 5
PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Bradley Beal
SF: MKG
PF: Thad Young
C: DMC

Thoughts?? Lawson is my oldest player and they're all tied up for at least the next few years.

I think you should look for a stretch big-man like the one on the 76ers
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 19, 2013, 09:38:32 PM
Filled out my starting 5
PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Bradley Beal
SF: MKG
PF: Thad Young
C: DMC

Thoughts?? Lawson is my oldest player and they're all tied up for at least the next few years.

I think that you need to look for a grey beard to rein in the youths. And I think it should be your next pick, a guy with impeccable character and leadership credentials to rotate in for a good amount of minutes, preferably at two positions to give different looks. A combo guard, combo forward, or PF/c.

Otherwise I think there is a chance you stunt Beal and MKG's development. Bad lockerroom juju is as bad as bad coaching.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 19, 2013, 09:40:17 PM
Filled out my starting 5
PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Bradley Beal
SF: MKG
PF: Thad Young
C: DMC

Thoughts?? Lawson is my oldest player and they're all tied up for at least the next few years.

I think that you need to look for a grey beard to rein in the youths. And I think it should be your next pick, a guy with impeccable character and leadership credentials to rotate in for a good amount of minutes, preferably at two positions to give different looks. A combo guard, combo forward, or PF/c.

Otherwise I think there is a chance you stunt Beal and MKG's development. Bad lockerroom juju is as bad as bad coaching.
If only i could pick Scal... championship experience
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 19, 2013, 09:48:06 PM
Filled out my starting 5
PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Bradley Beal
SF: MKG
PF: Thad Young
C: DMC

Thoughts?? Lawson is my oldest player and they're all tied up for at least the next few years.

I think that you need to look for a grey beard to rein in the youths. And I think it should be your next pick, a guy with impeccable character and leadership credentials to rotate in for a good amount of minutes, preferably at two positions to give different looks. A combo guard, combo forward, or PF/c.

Otherwise I think there is a chance you stunt Beal and MKG's development. Bad lockerroom juju is as bad as bad coaching.
If only i could pick Scal... championship experience
I think this is a pretty solid team in terms of young talent but I do agree with IP you could use a couple of vets in that lockerroom.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 19, 2013, 09:51:42 PM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Only team right now that keeps catching my eye. Good job with that group
not a bad team.  I just don't see Jordan being the center that will get them over the top.  Also, Derozan and Rubio haven't improved enough to relieve the scoring burden from PP and Dirk. 

A pretty good roster that would make the playoffs and do respectably
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 08:55:47 AM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Contender. I really like this team.

Ditto - Title Contender

I would strongly inclined to keep DeRozan. Maybe get a wing defender / shooter off the bench instead of trying to plug in someone as a starter. Play with two scoring wings that the opponent's defense has to account for. DeRozan has come on nicely this year. It would take a hefty offer for me to let him go.

As for the bench, I think you would be wise to keep pursuing players with good quickness and athleticism. You have done a really nice job of that so far with D.Jordan, R.Rubio and D.DeRozan.

I think it's important to keep surrounding Pierce and Dirk with players who play with quickness, energy and good activity levels. Those two guys (Dirk, Pierce) are seriously slow-footed nowadays.

Need to find shooters in the backcourt off the bench too.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 20, 2013, 09:02:29 AM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Contender. I really like this team.

Ditto - Title Contender

I would strongly inclined to keep DeRozan. Maybe get a wing defender / shooter off the bench instead of trying to plug in someone as a starter. Play with two scoring wings that the opponent's defense has to account for. DeRozan has come on nicely this year. It would take a hefty offer for me to let him go.

As for the bench, I think you would be wise to keep pursuing players with good quickness and athleticism. You have done a really nice job of that so far with D.Jordan, R.Rubio and D.DeRozan.

I think it's important to keep surrounding Pierce and Dirk with players who play with quickness, energy and good activity levels. Those two guys (Dirk, Pierce) are seriously slow-footed nowadays.

Need to find shooters in the backcourt off the bench too.

Yeah if possible I'd bring Derozen off the bench as a microwave guy.  As a 23% career 3-pt shooter I just can't see him and Rubio in a backcourt together for extended runs. 

Bu with the plethora of quality 2-guards out there I think you're sitting pretty to address that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 09:12:55 AM
End of day 2.

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Not planning on keeping Derozan

Contender. I really like this team.

Ditto - Title Contender

I would strongly inclined to keep DeRozan. Maybe get a wing defender / shooter off the bench instead of trying to plug in someone as a starter. Play with two scoring wings that the opponent's defense has to account for. DeRozan has come on nicely this year. It would take a hefty offer for me to let him go.

As for the bench, I think you would be wise to keep pursuing players with good quickness and athleticism. You have done a really nice job of that so far with D.Jordan, R.Rubio and D.DeRozan.

I think it's important to keep surrounding Pierce and Dirk with players who play with quickness, energy and good activity levels. Those two guys (Dirk, Pierce) are seriously slow-footed nowadays.

Need to find shooters in the backcourt off the bench too.

Yeah if possible I'd bring Derozen off the bench as a microwave guy.  As a 23% career 3-pt shooter I just can't see him and Rubio in a backcourt together for extended runs. 

Bu with the plethora of quality 2-guards out there I think you're sitting pretty to address that.

I wonder if they can't get away with DeRozan and Rubio together.

Pierce and Dirk are two top notch jump-shooters with unlimited range.

DeRozan lacks a three point shot but he is a good two point jump shooter. He has a really good jump in the midrange areas and a long two point jump shot all the way out to 20-22 feet. It's not like he is a non-shooter. He has good range and versatility on his two point jump-shot.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 20, 2013, 09:15:31 AM
All right, here's the new-look Knicks

PG: Conley Jr
SG:  ??? ???
SF: Carmelo
PF: Millsap
C: Chandler

No picks today but 2 consecutive tomorrow afternoon - I'll need to fill in my SG hole and take a key bench guy.  But I'm loving this core.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 20, 2013, 09:16:32 AM
All right, here's the new-look Knicks

PG: Conley Jr
SG:  ??? ???
SF: Carmelo
PF: Millsap
C: Chandler

No picks today but 2 consecutive tomorrow afternoon - I'll need to fill in my SG hole and take a key bench guy.  But I'm loving this core.

Very very nice
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 20, 2013, 09:18:04 AM
All right, here's the new-look Knicks

PG: Conley Jr
SG:  ??? ???
SF: Carmelo
PF: Millsap
C: Chandler

No picks today but 2 consecutive tomorrow afternoon - I'll need to fill in my SG hole and take a key bench guy.  But I'm loving this core.

And the good news for you is that there's tons of good 2's left. I wouldn't jump up unless you absolutely had to.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 20, 2013, 09:18:19 AM
All right, here's the new-look Knicks

PG: Conley Jr
SG:  ??? ???
SF: Carmelo
PF: Millsap
C: Chandler

No picks today but 2 consecutive tomorrow afternoon - I'll need to fill in my SG hole and take a key bench guy.  But I'm loving this core.

Very very nice

As always, saying something nice about my team gets a TP.  :)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 09:24:42 AM
Raptors
C: Bogut
PF: Ibaka
SF: Gay
SG:
PG: Lowry

Thoughts?

Really good team if Bogut can stay healthy.

Defensively, they should be top notch. Offensively, not so great but good enough to take advantage of their defense and win a good number of games. I am thinking something like a 50-53 win team at the moment.

A strong supporting cast could push that win total up another notch or two though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 09:29:45 AM
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Martin
SF
PF
J.J Hickson

PG
Jamal Crawford
SF
PF
Javale McGee

I wanted to build a deep team and with 3.3, 4.5, and 4.9 i think i can

Why start JJ Hickson over JaVale McGee?

I am struggling to think of anything that Hickson does better than McGee at the five spot.

On the other hand, I can think of several things McGee does better than Hickson. Namely (1) shot-blocking and overall rim protection (2) individual man-to-man and post defense against centers who often too big and long for Hickson to cover adequately (3) superior range of finishing around the basket with McGee's added size, length and athleticism (4) shot-creation out of the low post.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 09:31:03 AM
All right, here's the new-look Knicks

PG: Conley Jr
SG:  ??? ???
SF: Carmelo
PF: Millsap
C: Chandler

No picks today but 2 consecutive tomorrow afternoon - I'll need to fill in my SG hole and take a key bench guy.  But I'm loving this core.

Title contender. Right there with Miami for the Best Team in the East.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 20, 2013, 09:32:58 AM
All right, here's the new-look Knicks

PG: Conley Jr
SG:  ??? ???
SF: Carmelo
PF: Millsap
C: Chandler

No picks today but 2 consecutive tomorrow afternoon - I'll need to fill in my SG hole and take a key bench guy.  But I'm loving this core.

Title contender. Right there with Miami for the Best Team in the East.

yea I'm not a big fan of Milsap but he fits really well on your team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 10:24:57 AM
Filled out my starting 5
PG: Ty Lawson
SG: Bradley Beal
SF: MKG
PF: Thad Young
C: DMC

Thoughts?? Lawson is my oldest player and they're all tied up for at least the next few years.

I really liked the acquisitions of MKG and Thad Young at the forward positions. I think both guys will fit in very well. Selfless players who play with a lot of intensity defensively.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 20, 2013, 11:16:20 AM
Alright, here's what I have so far.

Tony Parker
Danny Green / Monta Ellis
--
Tristan Thompson
Pau Gasol

Getting nervous about that SF spot.  There just aren't many good ones left. 

Aside from that, I like this team so far.  Parker and Gasol are both elite at their respective positions and are good two-way players.  I can win with them. 

I like Thompson as a guy who can defend multiple positions and hustle next to Gasol, and he's really the only guy on my team with upside. 

I don't like Ellis as a starter on this team, but rather than trade him at depressed value I'm going to use him as a sixth man in the Ginobili mold.  He should be dangerous in that role.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 20, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
So let's get this out of the way as this will probably be staying this way until Friday.

LAKERS

STARTERS:

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

BENCH

C/PF: Tiago Splitter $3.94 million


Total salary spent: $56.63 million
Cap remaining: $42.67 million
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 20, 2013, 11:25:44 AM
So let's get this out of the way as this will probably be staying this way until Friday.

LAKERS

STARTERS:

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

BENCH

C/PF: Tiago Splitter $3.94 million


Total salary spent: $56.63 million
Cap remaining: $42.67 million

You know who would literally bring that team together like Voltron? Ryan Anderson. AK-47 moves back to the 3, Anderson at the 4, Splitter 'Splitting' (ha) time as the backup 4 and 5. It would be perfect.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 20, 2013, 11:28:22 AM
So let's get this out of the way as this will probably be staying this way until Friday.

LAKERS

STARTERS:

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

BENCH

C/PF: Tiago Splitter $3.94 million


Total salary spent: $56.63 million
Cap remaining: $42.67 million

Very strong frontcourt D, but lacks a go-to scorer, unless 2009 Deron comes walking through that door.  And perimeter D will be an issue as well.

If you can successfully improve via another team's salary dump, this can go from a top 6ish team to a top 3. 

Also, there's a guy who will probably still be around for your next pick who could help your weaknesses (EDIT: well, one of em) while his teammates hide his, but it won't be a popular choice.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 20, 2013, 11:28:59 AM
So let's get this out of the way as this will probably be staying this way until Friday.

LAKERS

STARTERS:

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

BENCH

C/PF: Tiago Splitter $3.94 million


Total salary spent: $56.63 million
Cap remaining: $42.67 million

You know who would literally bring that team together like Voltron? Ryan Anderson. AK-47 moves back to the 3, Anderson at the 4, Splitter 'Splitting' (ha) time as the backup 4 and 5. It would be perfect.
And what exactly would a player of Ryan Anderson's unimpeachable talent cost me knowing that his addition would create such a near perfect team? I wonder....
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 20, 2013, 11:35:29 AM
So let's get this out of the way as this will probably be staying this way until Friday.

LAKERS

STARTERS:

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

BENCH

C/PF: Tiago Splitter $3.94 million


Total salary spent: $56.63 million
Cap remaining: $42.67 million

You know who would literally bring that team together like Voltron? Ryan Anderson. AK-47 moves back to the 3, Anderson at the 4, Splitter 'Splitting' (ha) time as the backup 4 and 5. It would be perfect.
And what exactly would a player of Ryan Anderson's unimpeachable talent cost me knowing that his addition would create such a near perfect team? I wonder....

Ah, I don't see anything I want really. for all the nice value Ryan Anderson has for you, he has more for me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 20, 2013, 11:39:54 AM
Starting lineup:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
 C: N.Pekovic

No real star here, but a lot of ball movement, good scoring, and good defense. I know I need a slasher and I'll be looking to get one in the later rounds.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 20, 2013, 11:54:51 AM
Starting lineup:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
 C: N.Pekovic

No real star here, but a lot of ball movement, good scoring, and good defense. I know I need a slasher and I'll be looking to get one in the later rounds.


I might try to move Jennings, perhaps for a wing scorer so you can bring Webster off the bench (not crazy about him as a starter).  His Iverson-lite mentality wouldn't get the most out of Lee and Pek.  You need a guy who is content to run the offense through the post game. 

There's a certain overlooked guy in Atlanta who would fit that description for you. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 20, 2013, 11:58:17 AM
So let's get this out of the way as this will probably be staying this way until Friday.

LAKERS

STARTERS:

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: J. J. Redick $6.19 million
SF:
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

BENCH

C/PF: Tiago Splitter $3.94 million


Total salary spent: $56.63 million
Cap remaining: $42.67 million

Very strong frontcourt D, but lacks a go-to scorer, unless 2009 Deron comes walking through that door.  And perimeter D will be an issue as well.

If you can successfully improve via another team's salary dump, this can go from a top 6ish team to a top 3. 

Also, there's a guy who will probably still be around for your next pick who could help your weaknesses (EDIT: well, one of em) while his teammates hide his, but it won't be a popular choice.
I actually have had that guy eyed in for my 5.24 pick all along as I just don't think anyone will touch him. But, for what he brings in areas I need help in, he's what I need.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 20, 2013, 12:01:12 PM
I like it when people talk about my team...
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 20, 2013, 12:05:45 PM
I like it when people talk about my team...
You're team has really nice uniforms......

.....

.....


Yeah, that's all I got.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 20, 2013, 12:17:22 PM
I like it when people talk about my team...

I'm not a fan of Kemba Walker as a point guard at all.  I think he's just bad at 5-on-5 basketball.  There's way too much iso and way too little ball movement in Charlotte, and I think this guy is part of the problem.

Mayo is a very solid 2-guard now, and I like Batum a lot as a glue guy.  Can't really comment on Vucevic since I haven't seen him play much, but his stats are nice. 

Overall, not crazy about the team.  The Mayo/Batum/Vucevic trio is pretty nice and there's some synergy and untapped potential there, but I'd get Walker as far away from them as possible. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 20, 2013, 12:20:18 PM
I like it when people talk about my team...


OJ Mayo, pick and roll.


Do you have the right guy to pick with? 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 20, 2013, 12:38:41 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 3
($13 Million left to spend, it's going to be tight)

PG - Andre Iguodala (not a PG but starting as a PG)
SG - Joe Johnson    (scorer, closer, cap eater, just like a Hummer gulps gas)
SF - Luol Deng      (LeBron/KD/Melo annoy-er)
PF - Elton Brand    (old man strength FTW)
C  - Joakim Noah    (defensive anchor, coolest guy on the team)

Complete and total lock down, inside and out.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 20, 2013, 12:41:53 PM
Warriors  (38.5 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG (though likely 6th man before this is done) Bledsoe
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 20, 2013, 12:44:38 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 3
($13 Million left to spend, it's going to be tight)

PG - Andre Iguodala (not a PG but starting as a PG)
SG - Joe Johnson    (scorer, closer, cap eater, just like a Hummer gulps gas)
SF - Luol Deng      (LeBron/KD/Melo annoy-er)
PF - Elton Brand    (old man strength FTW)
C  - Joakim Noah    (defensive anchor, coolest guy on the team)

Complete and total lock down, inside and out.


A lot of weapons but no one to efficiently run them.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 20, 2013, 12:45:28 PM
Warriors  (38.5 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG (though likely 6th man before this is done) Bledsoe
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol

Like this team offensively, worried about your wings when playing a superstar SF and SG. I'm not sure CUrry, Bledsoe and Gallo can hang tight with Superstar wings. Marc Gasol to the rescue?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 20, 2013, 12:46:25 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 3
($13 Million left to spend, it's going to be tight)

PG - Andre Iguodala (not a PG but starting as a PG)
SG - Joe Johnson    (scorer, closer, cap eater, just like a Hummer gulps gas)
SF - Luol Deng      (LeBron/KD/Melo annoy-er)
PF - Elton Brand    (old man strength FTW)
C  - Joakim Noah    (defensive anchor, coolest guy on the team)

Complete and total lock down, inside and out.


A lot of weapons but no one to efficiently run them.

Iggy and JJ were effective Point Forwards during their careers, I'm pretty sure they can run things.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 20, 2013, 12:47:06 PM
Warriors  (38.5 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG (though likely 6th man before this is done) Bledsoe
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol

Like this team offensively, worried about your wings when playing a superstar SF and SG. I'm not sure CUrry, Bledsoe and Gallo can hang tight with Superstar wings. Marc Gasol to the rescue?

Oh, I agree that I need a wing stopper or two.


But there are plenty of them available. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 20, 2013, 01:08:06 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green / Monta Ellis

Tristan Thompson
Pau Gasol



Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 20, 2013, 01:09:24 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green / Monta Ellis

Tristan Thompson
Pau Gasol



Thoughts?

Pretty darn good. I like Monta in that role, even if he hates it dearly.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 01:20:03 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 3
($13 Million left to spend, it's going to be tight)

PG - Andre Iguodala (not a PG but starting as a PG)
SG - Joe Johnson    (scorer, closer, cap eater, just like a Hummer gulps gas)
SF - Luol Deng      (LeBron/KD/Melo annoy-er)
PF - Elton Brand    (old man strength FTW)
C  - Joakim Noah    (defensive anchor, coolest guy on the team)

Complete and total lock down, inside and out.

Dynamite defensive team and rebounding unit but I think you are really going to struggle to score efficiently. Probably be one of the weaker offensive teams in the league.

I still think you would be better off going small with Deng at PF, Iggy at SF and JJ at SG with a proper point guard leading the way. Someone like Jeff Teague was who I was imagining in this role. I think you will gain more offensively than you will concede defensively and rebounding wise. Make you a better team.

Unfortunately, with Teague just getting picked, I am not sure there are many cheap starting quality PGs left on the draft board. Might be tricky.

I think Elton Brand is a very good backup big man at this stage in his career and his ability to play both PF and C gives you good lineup flexibility. Whatever role you decide on for him, I don't think he can be relied on for more than 20-25 minutes a night.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 20, 2013, 01:40:02 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 3
($13 Million left to spend, it's going to be tight)

PG - Andre Iguodala (not a PG but starting as a PG)
SG - Joe Johnson    (scorer, closer, cap eater, just like a Hummer gulps gas)
SF - Luol Deng      (LeBron/KD/Melo annoy-er)
PF - Elton Brand    (old man strength FTW)
C  - Joakim Noah    (defensive anchor, coolest guy on the team)

Complete and total lock down, inside and out.

I would trade iggy and a good pg. iggy didn't impress me at all last night against the celtics, lots of air balls
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 20, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 3
($13 Million left to spend, it's going to be tight)

PG - Andre Iguodala (not a PG but starting as a PG)
SG - Joe Johnson    (scorer, closer, cap eater, just like a Hummer gulps gas)
SF - Luol Deng      (LeBron/KD/Melo annoy-er)
PF - Elton Brand    (old man strength FTW)
C  - Joakim Noah    (defensive anchor, coolest guy on the team)

Complete and total lock down, inside and out.

I would trade iggy and a good pg. iggy didn't impress me at all last night against the celtics, lots of air balls

3 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 block, 2 steals, 1 turnover in 29 minutes. Sure, he didn't shoot well, but look at that line, im pretty sure contributed enough.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 01:49:11 PM
Warriors  (38.5 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG (though likely 6th man before this is done) Bledsoe
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol

The Warriors are in very good shape.

Plenty of talent left at SG to fill that final starting spot with a quality player.

I would keep Carl Landry in a bench role. I think he gets exploited, his weakness defensively and in terms of rebounding, as a starter. I think he is best off as a 25-28mpg backup PF.

So I would look to bring in a starting PF. Either a PF/C who can slide to center when M.Gasol goes to the bench and play alongside C.Landry. Or a 20mpg part time starting PF who is a stronger defender/rebounder than Landry is.

E.Bledsoe and C.Landry would give you two of the best bench in the leagues. A great starting place for a dominant bench unit.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 20, 2013, 01:50:58 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 3
($13 Million left to spend, it's going to be tight)

PG - Andre Iguodala (not a PG but starting as a PG)
SG - Joe Johnson    (scorer, closer, cap eater, just like a Hummer gulps gas)
SF - Luol Deng      (LeBron/KD/Melo annoy-er)
PF - Elton Brand    (old man strength FTW)
C  - Joakim Noah    (defensive anchor, coolest guy on the team)

Complete and total lock down, inside and out.

Dynamite defensive team and rebounding unit but I think you are really going to struggle to score efficiently. Probably be one of the weaker offensive teams in the league.

I still think you would be better off going small with Deng at PF, Iggy at SF and JJ at SG with a proper point guard leading the way. Someone like Jeff Teague was who I was imagining in this role. I think you will gain more offensively than you will concede defensively and rebounding wise. Make you a better team.

Unfortunately, with Teague just getting picked, I am not sure there are many cheap starting quality PGs left on the draft board. Might be tricky.

I think Elton Brand is a very good backup big man at this stage in his career and his ability to play both PF and C gives you good lineup flexibility. Whatever role you decide on for him, I don't think he can be relied on for more than 20-25 minutes a night.



66.2 Points/game for the starters. Sure, it's pretty low but I think there are  help coming their way. Defensively, they can probably hold the opponent to 65, and that's good enough for us.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 20, 2013, 02:51:12 PM
I have the Rockets tentative starting line-up in place:

Manu/Harden/W. Chandler/Nene/Hawes.

Any thoughts on what I should prioritize from here.  About $25 mil left to spend.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 20, 2013, 03:02:26 PM
I have the Rockets tentative starting line-up in place:

Manu/Harden/W. Chandler/Nene/Hawes.

Any thoughts on what I should prioritize from here.  About $25 mil left to spend.

Pretty solid 2-5.  Not sure Ginobili can defend the PG position.  I'd definitely go for a real PG.  You might consider starting Manu at the 2, Harden at the 3 and bringing Chandler off the bench.  Just my two cents.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 20, 2013, 03:32:44 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green / Monta Ellis

Tristan Thompson
Pau Gasol

Thoughts?

I dunno, but it appears Tristan Thompson is the one guy that doesn't fit. I would trade him for a vet PF, and another guy.

It's kind of hard to run a team with such diverse ages since by the time T2 is mature enough to be a star, the rest will be too old
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 20, 2013, 03:33:12 PM
I have the Rockets tentative starting line-up in place:

Manu/Harden/W. Chandler/Nene/Hawes.

Any thoughts on what I should prioritize from here.  About $25 mil left to spend.

Harden can play PG too
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 20, 2013, 03:35:52 PM
I have the Rockets tentative starting line-up in place:

Manu/Harden/W. Chandler/Nene/Hawes.

Any thoughts on what I should prioritize from here.  About $25 mil left to spend.

Harden can play PG too

Love the team, but wasn't crazy about the Hawes pick.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 20, 2013, 03:36:39 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green / Monta Ellis

Tristan Thompson
Pau Gasol

Thoughts?

I dunno, but it appears Tristan Thompson is the one guy that doesn't fit. I would trade him for a vet PF, and another guy.

It's kind of hard to run a team with such diverse ages since by the time T2 is mature enough to be a star, the rest will be too old

I don't need him to be a star.  Frankly, I don't ever expect him to be a star.

I do expect him to provide energy, defend multiple positions, and rebound the heck out of the basketball.  All of those are things he's plenty capable of doing right now.  He's not a particularly good scorer at this point, but between Parker, Green, Ellis and Gasol I have that part covered.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 20, 2013, 03:38:37 PM
Tell me how you like me

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (35.2)
C: Duncan (9.6)  PF: Garnett (11.5) SF: J Dudley (4.2)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 ), PG: Jeremy Lin (8.3)

Picks: 4.20, 4.26, 6-11 .20
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 20, 2013, 03:42:41 PM
Portland lineup:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

Bench: Jason Terry, Jonas Valanciunas

We were very pleased with our third round selections today. With the exception of Danny Green, we got everyone we'd targeted.

The scoring load will be assumed by Lillard, West, and LMA. Sef and Tay will provide very good wing defense, with adequate floor spacing as well. Tay can also help with running the offense, as he is a skilled passer who will keep the ball moving.

Terry will be our 6th man, backing up both guard positions, and providing shooting and scoring off the bench.

Jonas will back up LMA at C. With West and LMA, we like the mix and match options for frontcourt setups. I think we could also run an effective small-ball lineup at times with Tayshaun at PF (against opposing stretch 4s, for example).

Our next pick isn't until the 6th round, unfortunately. But, with nearly $25 million of payroll remaining, we think we can round the roster out with good role players.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 20, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
Chris Paul
Iman Shumpert
Kyle Korver
Blake Griffin
Larry Sanders

thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 20, 2013, 03:55:13 PM
Tell me how you like me

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (35.2)
C: Duncan (9.6)  PF: Garnett (11.5) SF: J Dudley (4.2)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 ), PG: Jeremy Lin (8.3)

Picks: 4.20, 4.26, 6-11 .20

That guard play is going to be a hell of a roller coaster.  A lot of exciting plays and explosive games mixed with a fair share of turnovers and shot selection questions.  But when you mix that with 3 of the more consistent and dependable players in the game I think that more than mediates those issues.

1 dependable big man to add to that rotation and that's a team fit for a deep playoff run.

1 question: What's the offensive gameplan here? Who is the focal point?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 20, 2013, 03:58:55 PM
Chris Paul
Iman Shumpert
Kyle Korver
Blake Griffin
Larry Sanders

thoughts?

With the exception of Korver, the makings of an athletic team with potentially nightmarish defensive pressure for opposing teams.

Backup wings and bigs will be key, both for depth and for lineup versatility. Could use another shooter, maybe two?

Hire a free throw coach.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 20, 2013, 04:06:12 PM
Chris Paul
Iman Shumpert
Kyle Korver
Blake Griffin
Larry Sanders

thoughts?

With the exception of Korver, the makings of an athletic team with potentially nightmarish defensive pressure for opposing teams.

Backup wings and bigs will be key, both for depth and for lineup versatility. Could use another shooter, maybe two?

Hire a free throw coach.

A few vets would be a nice touch as well.  CP3 has a lot of leadership responsibility on his shoulders with that (very talented) group.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 20, 2013, 04:07:15 PM
How about my smoorgishboard of young players?

I think the average age of my team is like 22 lol
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 20, 2013, 04:09:34 PM
Chris Paul
Iman Shumpert
Kyle Korver
Blake Griffin
Larry Sanders

thoughts?

Love the Shump addition. I actually wasn't crazy about hte Korver pick but now that you've added him it's not as big of a deal. Still think you need a more pure center
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 20, 2013, 04:09:57 PM
Portland lineup:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

Bench: Jason Terry, Jonas Valanciunas

I love what you've done with the Blazers, and I think the Rose Garden would, too.

What better duo is there for JV to learn behind than Aldrige and West, two guys that do it the right way.

A little bit more athleticism would be a nice compliment off the bench.  Someone that can take the dribble-drive load off of Lilliard would help.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 20, 2013, 04:13:27 PM
How about my smoorgishboard of young players?

I think the average age of my team is like 22 lol

Like T-Rob. Concerned about ball movement 1-3.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 20, 2013, 04:15:26 PM
Portland lineup:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

Bench: Jason Terry, Jonas Valanciunas

I love what you've done with the Blazers, and I think the Rose Garden would, too.

What better duo is there for JV to learn behind than Aldrige and West, two guys that do it the right way.

A little bit more athleticism would be a nice compliment off the bench.  Someone that can take the dribble-drive load off of Lilliard would help.

TP. Athleticism: which slots? You mean, a human pogo-stick type at PF and a slasher wing?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 20, 2013, 04:15:52 PM
How about my smoorgishboard of young players?

I think the average age of my team is like 22 lol

I love the Teague pick.  He's apparently very underrated here - no way he should have lasted deep into the third round.  Kemba should be considerably better as a gun off the bench than he is as the starting PG.

PF is the obvious weakness of your team.  Robinson and Henson have potential but haven't done much of anything. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 20, 2013, 04:16:13 PM
Tell me how you like me

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (35.2)
C: Duncan (9.6)  PF: Garnett (11.5) SF: J Dudley (4.2)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 ), PG: Jeremy Lin (8.3)

Picks: 4.20, 4.26, 6-11 .20

That guard play is going to be a hell of a roller coaster.  A lot of exciting plays and explosive games mixed with a fair share of turnovers and shot selection questions.  But when you mix that with 3 of the more consistent and dependable players in the game I think that more than mediates those issues.

1 dependable big man to add to that rotation and that's a team fit for a deep playoff run.

1 question: What's the offensive gameplan here? Who is the focal point?

It's a 1a, 1b but probably run things through Garnett in the high post. He's more active setting screens on the perimeter while Duncan is probably fighting for position.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 20, 2013, 04:17:06 PM
If you're going to post your team, comment on other people's team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 04:19:30 PM
I have the Rockets tentative starting line-up in place:

Manu/Harden/W. Chandler/Nene/Hawes.

Any thoughts on what I should prioritize from here.  About $25 mil left to spend.

Pretty solid 2-5.  Not sure Ginobili can defend the PG position.  I'd definitely go for a real PG.  You might consider starting Manu at the 2, Harden at the 3 and bringing Chandler off the bench.  Just my two cents.

Yes, I would be worried about PG defense too. I don't think Manu is up to defending the PG position for any prolonged length of time at this stage in his career. When he was younger, definitely. Harden can't defend PGs either.

So that would be a priority for me. Finding a point guard. Having Harden and Manu, with their PG-skills, make it very easy to slot in just about anyone in that PG position. So you will have the pick of the bunch.

I would bring Ginobili off the bench and keep W.Chandler as a starter because of Chandler's defensive ability at SF. Ginobili will give you one hell of a game changer off the bench.

I would also target a talented backup forward for when Hawes goes out and Nene slides to the center position. Either a PF to play alongside Nene. Or a SF with W.Chandler sliding over to PF. Someone who can give you more quickness defensively and has a jump shot.

I think with those two pieces you will have a rock solid 7 man rotation. From there, just situational substitutes.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 20, 2013, 04:20:35 PM
Tell me how you like me

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (35.2)
C: Duncan (9.6)  PF: Garnett (11.5) SF: J Dudley (4.2)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 ), PG: Jeremy Lin (8.3)

Picks: 4.20, 4.26, 6-11 .20

Yep, you might want to get a more consistent guard because both Lin and JR are capable of 35-point games, as well as 4-20 shooting nights. When both aren't playing well, at least you can get another scorer in (or passer).

That frontcourt is pretty good, to say the least ;D

If you're going to post your team, comment on other people's team.
Good idea
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 20, 2013, 04:21:16 PM
How about my smoorgishboard of young players?

I think the average age of my team is like 22 lol

Definitely need to target some veterans to help keep the ship steady.

Although individually very skilled, the Teague/Walker/Mayo backcourt combo seems a little redundant in skill set. Seems like a lot of rock-pounding to me (although I could be way off). I might trade one for the purest shooter you could find.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 20, 2013, 04:21:31 PM
Chris Paul
Iman Shumpert
Kyle Korver
Blake Griffin
Larry Sanders

thoughts?

Love the Shump addition. I actually wasn't crazy about hte Korver pick but now that you've added him it's not as big of a deal. Still think you need a more pure center
Yeah, tbh yesterday might have been too early to pick Korver. I was working my first day at a temp job and didn't have enough time to look at my spreadsheet. I ended up making a rushed pick so I didn't get skipped.

I demand you watch more bucks games (just close your eyes anytime Ellis or Jennings is about to take a bad shot), if you do you will see Sanders is the real deal.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 20, 2013, 04:22:37 PM
Chris Paul
Iman Shumpert
Kyle Korver
Blake Griffin
Larry Sanders

thoughts?

Love the Shump addition. I actually wasn't crazy about hte Korver pick but now that you've added him it's not as big of a deal. Still think you need a more pure center
Yeah, tbh yesterday might have been too early to pick Korver. I was working my first day at a temp job and didn't have enough time to look at my spreadsheet. I ended up making a rushed pick so I didn't get skipped.

I demand you watch more bucks games (just close your eyes anytime Ellis or Jennings is about to take a bad shot), if you do you will see Sanders is the real deal.

I suggest getting a big who can shoot free throws as well.

Griffin + Sanders = 60% shooting everywhere O_O
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 20, 2013, 04:24:46 PM
I have the Rockets tentative starting line-up in place:

Manu/Harden/W. Chandler/Nene/Hawes.

Any thoughts on what I should prioritize from here.  About $25 mil left to spend.

Pretty solid 2-5.  Not sure Ginobili can defend the PG position.  I'd definitely go for a real PG.  You might consider starting Manu at the 2, Harden at the 3 and bringing Chandler off the bench.  Just my two cents.

Yes, I would be worried about PG defense too. I don't think Manu is up to defending the PG position for any prolonged length of time at this stage in his career. When he was younger, definitely. Harden can't defend PGs either.

So that would be a priority for me. Finding a point guard. Having Harden and Manu, with their PG-skills, make it very easy to slot in just about anyone in that PG position. So you will have the pick of the bunch.

I would bring Ginobili off the bench and keep W.Chandler as a starter because of Chandler's defensive ability at SF. Ginobili will give you one hell of a game changer off the bench.

I would also target a talented backup forward for when Hawes goes out and Nene slides to the center position. Either a PF to play alongside Nene. Or a SF with W.Chandler sliding over to PF. Someone who can give you more quickness defensively and has a jump shot.

I think with those two pieces you will have a rock solid 7 man rotation. From there, just situational substitutes.

There is still a PG out there that I'm stunned hasn't been selected yet.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 20, 2013, 04:25:27 PM
SUNS Pick 2:
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? I have 4.1 where should I go with it?  obviously I need to target players on cheap deals even though I want to spend
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 20, 2013, 04:27:05 PM
SUNS Pick 2:
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? I have 4.1 where should I go with it?  obviously I need to target players on cheap deals even though I want to spend

A guy who can knock down shots, just hangin' around the perimeter.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 20, 2013, 04:27:24 PM
SUNS Pick 2:
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? I have 4.1 where should I go with it?  obviously I needed to get players on cheap deals even though I want to spend

You badly need shooters.  Iffy jumpshots at every position.  No spacing on that team at all.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 20, 2013, 04:27:28 PM
Portland lineup:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

Bench: Jason Terry, Jonas Valanciunas

I love what you've done with the Blazers, and I think the Rose Garden would, too.

What better duo is there for JV to learn behind than Aldrige and West, two guys that do it the right way.

A little bit more athleticism would be a nice compliment off the bench.  Someone that can take the dribble-drive load off of Lilliard would help.

TP. Athleticism: which slots? You mean, a human pogo-stick type at PF and a slasher wing?

Yeah Lucky I'm more refering to athleticism on the wings/backcourt. Love Thabo/TeyTey, but they aren't going to playmake.  Lillard is that guy, but when he goes to the bench I'd like to see the Blazers with someone else who can pick up the slack in the creation department.

Your bigs are fine, I suppose some more athleticism wouldn't hurt there either but that's just nit picking haha.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 20, 2013, 04:28:48 PM
Oh yea, I want some feedback too!

Greivis Vásquez
Klay Thompson
Jeff Green
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

($33,626,954 remaining)

4.15, 5.15, 7.15, 8.11, 8.15, 9.15, 9.19, 11.15

What type of guys do I want?

I'm thinking a stretch PF and shot-creators for my bench. If I could get a decent jump-shooting big man with my picks, it'd be great but... I'll have to get a good pick ;D I think my starting lineup is pretty good and can score 70ppg.

Jump shooters!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 20, 2013, 04:29:23 PM
I have the Rockets tentative starting line-up in place:

Manu/Harden/W. Chandler/Nene/Hawes.

Any thoughts on what I should prioritize from here.  About $25 mil left to spend.

Pretty solid 2-5.  Not sure Ginobili can defend the PG position.  I'd definitely go for a real PG.  You might consider starting Manu at the 2, Harden at the 3 and bringing Chandler off the bench.  Just my two cents.

Yes, I would be worried about PG defense too. I don't think Manu is up to defending the PG position for any prolonged length of time at this stage in his career. When he was younger, definitely. Harden can't defend PGs either.

So that would be a priority for me. Finding a point guard. Having Harden and Manu, with their PG-skills, make it very easy to slot in just about anyone in that PG position. So you will have the pick of the bunch.

I would bring Ginobili off the bench and keep W.Chandler as a starter because of Chandler's defensive ability at SF. Ginobili will give you one hell of a game changer off the bench.

I would also target a talented backup forward for when Hawes goes out and Nene slides to the center position. Either a PF to play alongside Nene. Or a SF with W.Chandler sliding over to PF. Someone who can give you more quickness defensively and has a jump shot.

I think with those two pieces you will have a rock solid 7 man rotation. From there, just situational substitutes.

There is still a PG out there that I'm stunned hasn't been selected yet.

You sure you're not missing someone. I don't see anyone that I'm *stunned* is available.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 20, 2013, 04:31:45 PM
Portland lineup:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

Bench: Jason Terry, Jonas Valanciunas

We were very pleased with our third round selections today. With the exception of Danny Green, we got everyone we'd targeted.

The scoring load will be assumed by Lillard, West, and LMA. Sef and Tay will provide very good wing defense, with adequate floor spacing as well. Tay can also help with running the offense, as he is a skilled passer who will keep the ball moving.

Terry will be our 6th man, backing up both guard positions, and providing shooting and scoring off the bench.

Jonas will back up LMA at C. With West and LMA, we like the mix and match options for frontcourt setups. I think we could also run an effective small-ball lineup at times with Tayshaun at PF (against opposing stretch 4s, for example).

Our next pick isn't until the 6th round, unfortunately. But, with nearly $25 million of payroll remaining, we think we can round the roster out with good role players.

So talented and well-balanced, but I'm bothered by the dependence of two rooks (Lillard and Val) on what should be a contending team.  I'd look to move Val to one of the youth movement teams and add a strong defensive C to fit in behind West and LMA.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 04:31:52 PM
Tell me how you like me

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (35.2)
C: Duncan (9.6)  PF: Garnett (11.5) SF: J Dudley (4.2)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 ), PG: Jeremy Lin (8.3)

Picks: 4.20, 4.26, 6-11 .20
There is something about Jeremy Lin and JR Smith together that worries me.

I am not totally sure what it is but there is something there. It doesn't feel right to me. I don't think the two of them should start with Duncan and Garnett. It doesn't feel like an effective combination to me.

I think one of them should move to the bench. JR Smith could move there very comfortably with a more low usage defensive SG taking his place in the starting lineup.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 20, 2013, 04:32:06 PM
Oh yea, I want some feedback too!

Greivis Vásquez
Klay Thompson
Jeff Green
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

($33,626,954 remaining)

4.15, 5.15, 7.15, 8.11, 8.15, 9.15, 9.19, 11.15

What type of guys do I want?

I'm thinking a stretch PF and shot-creators for my bench. If I could get a decent jump-shooting big man with my picks, it'd be great but... I'll have to get a good pick ;D I think my starting lineup is pretty good and can score 70ppg.

Jump shooters!

You made some uneven trades that put you in a tough spot, but that's part of the learning process in these types of things.

I think you absolutely need to focus on defense for your bench though. That's just what I'd do.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 20, 2013, 04:35:27 PM
Tell me how you like me

Pick 2 Draft - Boston Celtics (71.6) Remaining (35.2)
C: Duncan (9.6)  PF: Garnett (11.5) SF: J Dudley (4.2)
SG: JR Smith (2.8 ), PG: Jeremy Lin (8.3)

Picks: 4.20, 4.26, 6-11 .20

There is something about Jeremy Lin and JR Smith together that worries me.

I am not totally sure what it is but there is something there.
  • Maybe it's that both guys are kind of high usage role players. Will eat too many possessions.
  • Or that neither one of them is particularly good at executing a set offense. That they will fail to get the best out of Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett.
It doesn't feel right to me. I don't think the two of them should start with Duncan and Garnett. It doesn't feel like an effective combination to me.

I think one of them should move to the bench. JR Smith could move there very comfortably with a more low usage defensive SG taking his place in the starting lineup.

Thanks for the feedback, Who. It's a strong possibility that one of them will end up on the bench. When I picked them both, I had other guys I liked just the same but I thought I needed a little more shot-creation. Now that I've got two guys who are capable of doing that I think I can start to look at different types of players.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 20, 2013, 04:35:51 PM
Portland lineup:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

Bench: Jason Terry, Jonas Valanciunas

We were very pleased with our third round selections today. With the exception of Danny Green, we got everyone we'd targeted.

The scoring load will be assumed by Lillard, West, and LMA. Sef and Tay will provide very good wing defense, with adequate floor spacing as well. Tay can also help with running the offense, as he is a skilled passer who will keep the ball moving.

Terry will be our 6th man, backing up both guard positions, and providing shooting and scoring off the bench.

Jonas will back up LMA at C. With West and LMA, we like the mix and match options for frontcourt setups. I think we could also run an effective small-ball lineup at times with Tayshaun at PF (against opposing stretch 4s, for example).

Our next pick isn't until the 6th round, unfortunately. But, with nearly $25 million of payroll remaining, we think we can round the roster out with good role players.

So talented and well-balanced, but I'm bothered by the dependence of two rooks (Lillard and Val) on what should be a contending team.  I'd look to move Val to one of the youth movement teams and add a strong defensive C to fit in behind West and LMA.

Lillard may be a rookie, but he sure doesn't play like one! Val might have t' go, but he's cheap!

Oh yea, I want some feedback too!

Greivis Vásquez
Klay Thompson
Jeff Green
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

($33,626,954 remaining)

4.15, 5.15, 7.15, 8.11, 8.15, 9.15, 9.19, 11.15

What type of guys do I want?

I'm thinking a stretch PF and shot-creators for my bench. If I could get a decent jump-shooting big man with my picks, it'd be great but... I'll have to get a good pick ;D I think my starting lineup is pretty good and can score 70ppg.

Jump shooters!

You made some uneven trades that put you in a tough spot, but that's part of the learning process in these types of things.

I think you absolutely need to focus on defense for your bench though. That's just what I'd do.

The past is the past, what must I do in the future?
Yea, my defense is pretty underwhelming especially in the backcourt and wings. Thanks for DA feedback

The trades got me some cap space so that's something I can work with
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 20, 2013, 04:38:52 PM

So talented and well-balanced, but I'm bothered by the dependence of two rooks (Lillard and Val) on what should be a contending team.  I'd look to move Val to one of the youth movement teams and add a strong defensive C to fit in behind West and LMA.

TP. This occurred to me when I drafted Jonas; I figured I could easily flip him if I felt unsure about the fit and could improve my team. Will still keep it in mind.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 04:40:31 PM
Portland lineup:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

Bench: Jason Terry, Jonas Valanciunas

We were very pleased with our third round selections today. With the exception of Danny Green, we got everyone we'd targeted.

The scoring load will be assumed by Lillard, West, and LMA. Sef and Tay will provide very good wing defense, with adequate floor spacing as well. Tay can also help with running the offense, as he is a skilled passer who will keep the ball moving.

Terry will be our 6th man, backing up both guard positions, and providing shooting and scoring off the bench.

Jonas will back up LMA at C. With West and LMA, we like the mix and match options for frontcourt setups. I think we could also run an effective small-ball lineup at times with Tayshaun at PF (against opposing stretch 4s, for example).

Our next pick isn't until the 6th round, unfortunately. But, with nearly $25 million of payroll remaining, we think we can round the roster out with good role players.

I really like the Tayshaun Prince + Thabo Sefolosha combination on the wing.

That will be one of the strongest, if not the strongest, defensive wing combination in the league. With a team that is lacking a dominant interior defender, I think this is key and a major boost to your team's defensive strength.

Excellent role players. You know you are doing a good job when you are getting role players who can give you that type of a boost.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 20, 2013, 04:51:06 PM

I really like the Tayshaun Prince + Thabo Sefolosha combination on the wing.

That will be one of the strongest, if not the strongest, defensive wing combination in the league. With a team that is lacking a dominant interior defender, I think this is key and a major boost to your team's defensive strength.

Excellent role players. You know you are doing a good job when you are getting role players who can give you that type of a boost.

Thanks, Who. I've been a big fan of Tayshaun's for years, always try to find a way to get him on my teams. Might have preferred Danny Green to Thabo, but still happy with the overall results so far.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 04:55:21 PM
SUNS Pick 2:
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? I have 4.1 where should I go with it?  obviously I need to target players on cheap deals even though I want to spend

I would consider bringing in a shooter at SF and moving Gerald Wallace into a sixth man role.

Someone like that guy who started at forward alongside LeBron for Miami during the Finals last year.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 20, 2013, 04:56:50 PM
SUNS Pick 2:
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1)
SF: Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF:Carlos Boozer(15)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 56.73 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? I have 4.1 where should I go with it?  obviously I need to target players on cheap deals even though I want to spend

I would consider bringing in a shooter at SF and moving Gerald Wallace into a sixth man role.

Someone like that guy who started at forward alongside LeBron for Miami during the Finals last year.

That's funny because that's exactly what my plan was
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 20, 2013, 05:24:07 PM
What do you guys think about Rubio? Think he's a good point guard alongside Pierce and Dirk?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 20, 2013, 05:30:05 PM
What do you guys think about Rubio? Think he's a good point guard alongside Pierce and Dirk?

Love Rubio -- great fit alongside Pierce and Dirk
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 20, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
What do you guys think about Rubio? Think he's a good point guard alongside Pierce and Dirk?

Love Rubio

He's great at running an offense, but he's a terrible scorer.  It's almost like playing 4-on-5 on offense.

Rubio works great in an offense with other good scorers.  I think he'd be good on this Dallas team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 20, 2013, 05:33:32 PM
What do you guys think about Rubio? Think he's a good point guard alongside Pierce and Dirk?

He's decent.  Both Pierce and Dirk are good enough shotmakers that they can play off of Rubio effectively.  You're squandering their ability to create, but in Pierce's case especially that's probably not such a bad thing anymore.  He's having a lot of trouble getting his own offense these days. 

Ideally you'd have a PG with a good jumpshot to take advantage of kickouts, but you can make this work, I think.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 20, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
Detroit Newsies:

PG: Darren Collison
SG: Courtney Lee
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Greg Monroe
C: Andre Drummond

56.7 Mil in Cap space.

Could you just hand us the 2015-2019 titles now, please?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 20, 2013, 06:45:53 PM
Detroit Newsies:

PG: Darren Collison

Solid team. I suggest you find some more rebounding.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 20, 2013, 07:42:31 PM
Any other opinions on the Warriors right now?



Team will be looking for some defense at the swing position.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 20, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
Any other opinions on the Warriors right now?



Team will be looking for some defense at the swing position.

Extremely solid team i question the Bledsoe pick but besides that great team
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 20, 2013, 07:46:14 PM
Any other opinions on the Warriors right now?



Team will be looking for some defense at the swing position.


Extremely solid team i question the Bledsoe pick but besides that great team


Why?


I thought he was the BPA and worth much more then a position of need at that point. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 20, 2013, 07:46:50 PM
not sure how much I love Landry next to Gasol. Both are obviously great players, but part of Gasol's success has been that both he and ZBo can play the high post, where as I'm not sure Landry has that skill, and I think limiting Gasol's touches down-low could be harmful.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 20, 2013, 07:48:33 PM
Any other opinions on the Warriors right now?



Team will be looking for some defense at the swing position.


Extremely solid team i question the Bledsoe pick but besides that great team


Why?


I thought he was the BPA and worth much more then a position of need at that point.

I think the defensive options at SG have dropped considerably, but it's not the end of the world.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 20, 2013, 07:50:41 PM
Never mind, there are a number of guys on my list at SF, that would be fine next to Gallo.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 20, 2013, 07:51:54 PM
Never mind, there are a number of guys on my list at SF, that would be fine next to Gallo.


Agreed.


And since I don't need them to be an offensive stud, I have plenty of options. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 20, 2013, 07:52:54 PM
Never mind, there are a number of guys on my list at SF, that would be fine next to Gallo.


Agreed.


And since I don't need them to be an offensive stud, I have plenty of options.


Truth, i just didn't see that kinda guy left on my list at SG.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 20, 2013, 08:22:44 PM
Detroit Newsies:

PG: Darren Collison
SG: Courtney Lee
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Greg Monroe
C: Andre Drummond

56.7 Mil in Cap space.

Could you just hand us the 2015-2019 titles now, please?

I'll take your collective silence as an acknowledgement that someone is in fact bringing said trophies out and making our banners.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 20, 2013, 08:59:12 PM
Ok guys, here's the revised Brooklyn Nets...

 C: Brook Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: Carlos Boozer ($15.00m)
SF: TBD
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
PG: George Hill ($8.00m)

Salary cap: $83.11m
Remaning salary $18.59



My thoughts-  Points will not be a problem with this group.  I've got inside scoring, three point shooting (Hill), and oh yeah, Kobe.  Perimeter defense is still great with Kobe and Hill (probably top 3 defensive PG).  Interior defense is still suspect, but Boozer is underrated in my eyes (DRtg of 100) and an exceptional rebounder.  Lopez is blocking 2.2 shots per game by the way.

Basically, if you ain't scoring 100+ points, you're going to have a hard time beating this core.


Open to others thought's as well.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 20, 2013, 09:01:13 PM
Detroit Newsies:

PG: Darren Collison
SG: Courtney Lee
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Greg Monroe
C: Andre Drummond

56.7 Mil in Cap space.

Could you just hand us the 2015-2019 titles now, please?

I'll take your collective silence as an acknowledgement that someone is in fact bringing said trophies out and making our banners.

I like the big man combo. Interested to see the bench. Not making you banners yet.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 20, 2013, 09:02:07 PM
Ok guys, here's the revised Brooklyn Nets...

 C: Brook Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: Carlos Boozer ($15.00m)
SF: TBD
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
PG: George Hill ($8.00m)

Salary cap: $83.11m
Remaning salary $18.59



My thoughts-  Points will not be a problem with this group.  I've got inside scoring, three point shooting (Hill), and oh yeah, Kobe.  Perimeter defense is still great with Kobe and Hill (probably top 3 defensive PG).  Interior defense is still suspect, but Boozer is underrated in my eyes (DRtg of 100) and an exceptional rebounder.  Lopez is blocking 2.2 shots per game by the way.

Basically, if you ain't scoring 100+ points, you're going to have a hard time beating this core.


Open to others thought's as well.

Spot on except for the fact that Hill is not a great 3 point shooter if anything an average one
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 20, 2013, 09:24:36 PM
Ok guys, here's the revised Brooklyn Nets...

 C: Brook Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: Carlos Boozer ($15.00m)
SF: TBD
SG: Kobe Bryant ($27.85m)
PG: George Hill ($8.00m)

Salary cap: $83.11m
Remaning salary $18.59



My thoughts-  Points will not be a problem with this group.  I've got inside scoring, three point shooting (Hill), and oh yeah, Kobe.  Perimeter defense is still great with Kobe and Hill (probably top 3 defensive PG).  Interior defense is still suspect, but Boozer is underrated in my eyes (DRtg of 100) and an exceptional rebounder.  Lopez is blocking 2.2 shots per game by the way.

Basically, if you ain't scoring 100+ points, you're going to have a hard time beating this core.


Open to others thought's as well.

Spot on except for the fact that Hill is not a great 3 point shooter if anything an average one

Hill is 37% for his career, so while not "elite" he's at the very least, slightly above average. Two seasons ago he was at 40% (SAS).  Playing next to Kobe (and with excellent inside scoring) ought to get him numerous wide open shots.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 21, 2013, 11:42:12 AM
Alright, I have my top 7 filled out now.  I'd love some opinions/suggestions.

PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Danny Green / Monta Ellis
SF:  Caron Butler
PF:  Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
C:   Pau Gasol
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 21, 2013, 11:43:11 AM
Warriors  (36.64 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 21, 2013, 11:44:58 AM

Warriors  (38.5 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe

Lot's of "L"s on your team :P

A very solid squad, though. I don't know much about Bledsoe defensively, but I know Curry, Belinelli, and Gallinari aren't very good in that department. You might look to add more defense at the 1-3.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 21, 2013, 11:46:53 AM

Warriors  (38.5 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe

Lot's of "L"s on your team :P

A very solid squad, though. I don't know much about Bledsoe defensively, but I know Curry, Belinelli, and Gallinari aren't very good in that department. You might look to add more defense at the 1-3.


Belinelli has been solid on defense with Chicago. 


And we keep hearing how good defensively Bledsoe is in the KG trade ideas/rumors.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 11:48:16 AM

Warriors  (38.5 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe

Lot's of "L"s on your team :P

A very solid squad, though. I don't know much about Bledsoe defensively, but I know Curry, Belinelli, and Gallinari aren't very good in that department. You might look to add more defense at the 1-3.


Belinelli has been solid on defense with Chicago. 


And we keep hearing how good defensively Bledsoe is in the KG trade ideas/rumors.

Are you planning on starting Belinelli?

Or is he just a stand in until you acquire a defensive minded SG later on?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 21, 2013, 11:49:36 AM

Warriors  (38.5 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe

I'd actually consider starting Bledsoe and bringing Belinelli off the bench.  You could really use a great defender in that starting lineup, since Gasol is the only above average defender on your team.

You won't have problems scoring, though.  You have a solid scorer at every position on the court.

I'd look for some more size next. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 21, 2013, 11:50:36 AM

Warriors  (38.5 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe

Lot's of "L"s on your team :P

A very solid squad, though. I don't know much about Bledsoe defensively, but I know Curry, Belinelli, and Gallinari aren't very good in that department. You might look to add more defense at the 1-3.


Belinelli has been solid on defense with Chicago. 


And we keep hearing how good defensively Bledsoe is in the KG trade ideas/rumors.

Are you planning on starting Belinelli?

Or is he just a stand in until you acquire a defensive minded SG later on?


He is going to start. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 21, 2013, 11:52:59 AM
Alright, I have my top 7 filled out now.  I'd love some opinions/suggestions.

PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Danny Green / Monta Ellis
SF:  Caron Butler
PF:  Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
C:   Pau Gasol

TP & Gasol is a great foundation, but I'm unimpressed with your forward rotation.  Butler's a mediocre player, Thompson is too raw to be such a key cog on a veteran contending team and Clark, while a nice surprise this year, doesn't make up for the weakness of the two players ahead of him.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 21, 2013, 11:55:26 AM
Chicago Bulls: After 4

PG - Andre Iguodala  / Chauncey Billups
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Elton Brand
CD - Joakim Noah

Now that a floor general and a great leader (and shooter) has been added, this tough defensive team will have a much better flow on offense.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 21, 2013, 11:56:08 AM
Alright, I have my top 7 filled out now.  I'd love some opinions/suggestions.

PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Danny Green / Monta Ellis
SF:  Caron Butler
PF:  Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
C:   Pau Gasol

TP & Gasol is a great foundation, but I'm unimpressed with your forward rotation.  Butler's a mediocre player, Thompson is too raw to be such a key cog on a veteran contending team and Clark, while a nice surprise this year, doesn't make up for the weakness of the two players ahead of him.

Butler's in there for 3's and defense, both of which he still does well.  Thompson is there for rebounding, energy and defense.  Again, all of which he does well.  These guys should be more than capable of performing the roles I have for them.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 21, 2013, 12:07:06 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 4

PG - Andre Iguodala  / Chauncey Billups
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Elton Brand
CD - Joakim Noah

Now that a floor general and a great leader (and shooter) has been added, this tough defensive team will have a much better flow on offense.

I can't say I'm crazy about the idea of having Joe Johnson as my go-to guy at this point.  I also see Brand as more of a bench player, unless you can get a very solid PF off the bench to limit his minutes.  The Iggy at PG experiment is a cool move.  He can defend the position and is a good passer.  Not sure how he'd handle ball pressure, but between him and Johnson you should be able to figure it out.  Iggy may have trouble driving against PG's, though.  You're limiting his quickness advantage in favor of a size advantage, and I'm not sure how well he takes advantage of that.

Good defensive team that may have trouble scoring.  Billups' effect on an offense has become overrated at this point - he's a good floor general, but he's not some mystical soothsayer who cures all offensive ills.  I foresee a lot of Iso Joe. 

Again, target a good big to take some pressure off of Brand. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 21, 2013, 12:07:53 PM
Alright, I have my top 7 filled out now.  I'd love some opinions/suggestions.

PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Danny Green / Monta Ellis
SF:  Caron Butler
PF:  Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
C:   Pau Gasol

TP & Gasol is a great foundation, but I'm unimpressed with your forward rotation.  Butler's a mediocre player, Thompson is too raw to be such a key cog on a veteran contending team and Clark, while a nice surprise this year, doesn't make up for the weakness of the two players ahead of him.


Butler's in there for 3's and defense, both of which he still does well.  Thompson is there for rebounding, energy and defense.  Again, all of which he does well.  These guys should be more than capable of performing the roles I have for them.

See I would compare this to the 2010/2011 Spurs team that had Richard Jefferson and Dejuan Blair starting (only with the disadvantage of having Ellis in place of Manu in the 6th man role). 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 21, 2013, 12:09:12 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 4

PG - Andre Iguodala  / Chauncey Billups
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Elton Brand
CD - Joakim Noah

Now that a floor general and a great leader (and shooter) has been added, this tough defensive team will have a much better flow on offense.

I haven't seen Billups plays after his achilles, but if he's in good form he fills a massive hole for this team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 21, 2013, 12:12:51 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 4

PG - Andre Iguodala  / Chauncey Billups
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Elton Brand
CD - Joakim Noah

Now that a floor general and a great leader (and shooter) has been added, this tough defensive team will have a much better flow on offense.

I can't say I'm crazy about the idea of having Joe Johnson as my go-to guy at this point.  I also see Brand as more of a bench player, unless you can get a very solid PF off the bench to limit his minutes.  The Iggy at PG experiment is a cool move.  He can defend the position and is a good passer.  Not sure how he'd handle ball pressure, but between him and Johnson you should be able to figure it out.  Iggy may have trouble driving against PG's, though.  You're limiting his quickness advantage in favor of a size advantage, and I'm not sure how well he takes advantage of that.

Good defensive team that may have trouble scoring.  Billups' effect on an offense has become overrated at this point - he's a good floor general, but he's not some mystical soothsayer who cures all offensive ills.  I foresee a lot of Iso Joe. 

Again, target a good big to take some pressure off of Brand.

I agree with everything but the Billups and the Johnson go to idea.

Billups can calm down a storm, and with players who are willing passers, the offensive execution with Billups' leadership with be smooth even at crunch time. And Joe can still take over games, as evident two days ago. Sure he'll have bad nights, but he can still easily drop 20 on anyone.

I need some help for BRand though. I really like his defense, but he won't be able to play 30+ minutes anymore, youre right.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 12:14:07 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 4

PG - Andre Iguodala  / Chauncey Billups
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Elton Brand
CD - Joakim Noah

Now that a floor general and a great leader (and shooter) has been added, this tough defensive team will have a much better flow on offense.

I am not sure about Chauncey.

I haven't gotten to see him play yet this season. Has anyone seen any of his games? How does he look defensively after achilles injury?

That was a career-threatening injury. I would be very worried about his defense after an injury like that. I expect him to be a very poor on defense. Completely unable to stay in front of opposing PGs.

I would also be very worried about his ability to beat his defender off the dribble and get into the paint. I think his jump-shooting and decision making should still be at a high level and fit in well with your team.

Has anyone seen Chauncey play? Can comment on how he looks after that torn achilles?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 12:18:05 PM
Alright, I have my top 7 filled out now.  I'd love some opinions/suggestions.

PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Danny Green / Monta Ellis
SF:  Caron Butler
PF:  Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
C:   Pau Gasol

I like the chemistry and combined skill-set in the starting backcourt. Ellis is an expensive 6th man, but I know you're looking to move him, so I won't belabor the point.

I like the frontcourt rotation a lot too. Clark and Thompson as energetic glass cleaners with the offensively talented Gasol.

Butler I am not as crazy about. Not sure what kind of talent is still on the board at SF, though: he may be the most accomplished scorer still there. Still, I'd like to see more quickness/defense there. You could also select a defensive minded SG and shift Green to SF.

Overall, I like it.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 21, 2013, 12:18:49 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 4

PG - Andre Iguodala  / Chauncey Billups
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Elton Brand
CD - Joakim Noah

Now that a floor general and a great leader (and shooter) has been added, this tough defensive team will have a much better flow on offense.

I am not sure about Chauncey.

I haven't gotten to see him play yet this season. Has anyone seen any of his games? How does he look defensively after achilles injury?

That was a career-threatening injury. I would be very worried about his defense after an injury like that. I expect him to be a very poor on defense. Completely unable to stay in front of opposing PGs.

I would also be very worried about his ability to beat his defender off the dribble and get into the paint. I think his jump-shooting and decision making should still be at a high level and fit in well with your team.

Has anyone seen Chauncey play? Can comment on how he looks after that torn achilles?

Dropped 21 on 16 minutes last week against the Lakers. 4 steals too. I feel pretty good about him.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 12:20:42 PM
Alright, I have my top 7 filled out now.  I'd love some opinions/suggestions.

PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Danny Green / Monta Ellis
SF:  Caron Butler
PF:  Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
C:   Pau Gasol

TP & Gasol is a great foundation, but I'm unimpressed with your forward rotation.  Butler's a mediocre player, Thompson is too raw to be such a key cog on a veteran contending team and Clark, while a nice surprise this year, doesn't make up for the weakness of the two players ahead of him.

I am in a pretty similar place as snively.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 12:25:22 PM
Warriors  (36.64 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Landry
C  M. Gasol

Bench
G  Bledsoe

Looks like a talented offensive unit. I'd like to see one starter replaced with more defense, though.

I think I prefer the thought of both Belinelli and Landry as 6th-7th man types to anchor the scoring of the bench unit along with Bledsoe, especially considering that both those guys would be the last options in the starting offense.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 21, 2013, 12:27:17 PM
Alright, I have my top 7 filled out now.  I'd love some opinions/suggestions.

PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Danny Green / Monta Ellis
SF:  Caron Butler
PF:  Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
C:   Pau Gasol

I like the chemistry and combined skill-set in the starting backcourt. Ellis is an expensive 6th man, but I know you're looking to move him, so I won't belabor the point.

I like the frontcourt rotation a lot too. Clark and Thompson as energetic glass cleaners with the offensively talented Gasol.

Butler I am not as crazy about. Not sure what kind of talent is still on the board at SF, though: he may be the most accomplished scorer still there. Still, I'd like to see more quickness/defense there. You could also select a defensive minded SG and shift Green to SF.

Overall, I like it.

I was under the impression that Butler was solid defensively.  Was I wrong about that?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 12:28:26 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 4

PG - Andre Iguodala  / Chauncey Billups
SG - Joe Johnson
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Elton Brand
CD - Joakim Noah

Now that a floor general and a great leader (and shooter) has been added, this tough defensive team will have a much better flow on offense.

Yeah, if healthy, Chauncey is a great PG option for the group I think. And you now have a legit combination of guards and wings to play Deng with Noah in a small-ball outfit.

Terrific defense and length. I suspect you'll target a long and mobile 4 to back up Brand next? That would really round out your 7-man rotation.

Nice work so far.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 12:45:16 PM
Alright, I have my top 7 filled out now.  I'd love some opinions/suggestions.

PG:  Tony Parker
SG:  Danny Green / Monta Ellis
SF:  Caron Butler
PF:  Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
C:   Pau Gasol

I like the chemistry and combined skill-set in the starting backcourt. Ellis is an expensive 6th man, but I know you're looking to move him, so I won't belabor the point.

I like the frontcourt rotation a lot too. Clark and Thompson as energetic glass cleaners with the offensively talented Gasol.

Butler I am not as crazy about. Not sure what kind of talent is still on the board at SF, though: he may be the most accomplished scorer still there. Still, I'd like to see more quickness/defense there. You could also select a defensive minded SG and shift Green to SF.

Overall, I like it.

I was under the impression that Butler was solid defensively.  Was I wrong about that?

I'd need to see some metrics, but I don't think he's the defender he once was. A step slow.

In terms of stats, his rebounding and steals numbers seem to be down considerably from his prime (4-5 years ago).
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 21, 2013, 01:09:27 PM
C: Al Horford/ Robin Lopez
PF: Kevin Love/ (Al Horford)
SF: Danny Granger
SG:
PG: Jose Calderon

Lovin it
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
G: Jarrett Jack
G: Eric Gordon
F: Mbah a Moute
F: Anthony Davis
C: Amare Stoudemire

Sixth Man - Enes Kanter
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 01:54:24 PM
C: Al Horford/ Robin Lopez
PF: Kevin Love/ (Al Horford)
SF: Danny Granger
SG:
PG: Jose Calderon

Lovin it

In a vacuum, the talent in the starting lineup is undeniable. Two major concerns:

1. Payroll: you've yet to round out a 7-man rotation, and you've got less than $17 million left to spend.

2. Health: related to issue #1, you're going to need to find quality backups for your stars. Love and Granger are coming back from major injuries, and Horford had a serious injury last year. Even Lopez and Calderon have missed games in the past several seasons due to nagging injuries.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 21, 2013, 02:05:22 PM
Well, I finally was able to round out my starting lineup.

 C: Brook Lopez
PF: Carlos Boozer//Andray Blatche
SF: Matt Barnes
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: George Hill

Remaining salary: $16.81m


Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 21, 2013, 02:08:55 PM
After 4:

PG: Jennings
SG: Matthews / (Webster)
SF: Ariza / Webster
PF: Lee
 C: Pekovic

What should I look for next? Does anyone not fit?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 21, 2013, 02:10:34 PM
G: Jarrett Jack
G: Eric Gordon
F: Mbah a Moute
F: Anthony Davis
C: Amare Stoudemire

Sixth Man - Enes Kanter

like the team but still don't understand taking Amare in the first
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 02:13:03 PM
Well, I finally was able to round out my starting lineup.

 C: Brook Lopez
PF: Carlos Boozer//Andray Blatche
SF: Matt Barnes
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: George Hill

Remaining salary: $16.81m


Thoughts?

Well, those two bargain contracts definitely helped. Good picks there, although I still might have preferred a more defensive-minded big than Blatche. You got picks to come though, and can probably acquire additional inexpensive role players to round things out.

So much salary tied up in Boozer. Still not sure about the fit. There's another PG on the board who might be a better, cheaper fit for Kobe, if you're feeling the pinch.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 02:30:09 PM
G: Jarrett Jack
G: Eric Gordon
F: Mbah a Moute
F: Anthony Davis
C: Amare Stoudemire

Sixth Man - Enes Kanter

like the team but still don't understand taking Amare in the first

Amare is quietly playing very well for New York off the bench. He has a much improved post game and is scoring very effectively. If his minutes were not limited due to chemistry concerns there, he would be getting a lot more attention for his strong play for the Knicks.

I wanted a 2nd high quality scorer to put alongside Eric Gordon and I rated Amare as the best option available. After D-Wade, I think Amare was the next best (non-injured) scorer in the first round. I also liked that he was a big man who was strong in the pick and roll and could develop a nice two man game with E.Gordon too.

I  didn't think Amare would last until my next pick. I thought he made too much sense for too many towards the bottom the of the first round and didn't like the odds of him making it past all those teams. I don't know whether I was right or wrong about that but that is why I took him in the first.

Side note: I loved the idea of LeBron, Amare and Bosh together. I thought that frontcourt would have been unguardable. If I didn't select Amare, I was hoping Miami would pick Amare. That would've been a really fun team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 02:33:37 PM
After 4:

PG: Jennings
SG: Matthews / (Webster)
SF: Ariza / Webster
PF: Lee
 C: Pekovic

What should I look for next? Does anyone not fit?

I would look for a defensive big man to play alongside Nikola Pekovic and David Lee. Probably a power forward with Lee filling in as backup center when Pekovic goes to the bench. Somebody who works alongside both players. Someone who has solid quickness and mobility.

After that, I would target a strong backup PG to play behind Brandon Jennings. Your wings aren't the strongest shot-creators and work best when playing off of someone else so I think a good backup PG is important.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 21, 2013, 02:36:59 PM
how about my collection of 22 year olds?

A lot of times I took the BPA but if this was a real team I would think this team would be in a good position going forward with all the young assets and cheap contracts and ample cap space.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 02:39:51 PM
G: Jarrett Jack
G: Eric Gordon
F: Mbah a Moute
F: Anthony Davis
C: Amare Stoudemire

Sixth Man - Enes Kanter

Love the Jack-Gordon pairing. And Davis/Kanter could grow into an exciting frontcourt, given time.

Haven't seen much of Mbah a Moute, but I know he's missed time due to a nagging knee/leg injury of some sort. I don't know at this point whether he is a power 3, or a small 4. A lighter, faster wing of similar size might be good for the later rounds, someone who can defend opposing 2s/3s.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 02:42:03 PM
Quote
Pick2 Draft-Minnesota T'Wolves (27/70mill)
PG: Jeff Teague/Kemba Walker
SG: Oj Mayo/Dion Waiters
SF: Nic Batum
PF: Thomas Robinson/John Henson
C:  Nikola Vucevic
7.22, 8.22, 9.22, 10.22

Why have you spent so little money?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 21, 2013, 02:44:58 PM
Quote
Pick2 Draft-Minnesota T'Wolves (27/70mill)
PG: Jeff Teague/Kemba Walker
SG: Oj Mayo/Dion Waiters
SF: Nic Batum
PF: Thomas Robinson/John Henson
C:  Nikola Vucevic
7.22, 8.22, 9.22, 10.22

Why have you spent so little money?

I came into it trying to rebuild so I was targeting cheap young talent. I can fill up to the cap floor towards the end if needed or could absorb a large salary later on
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 02:47:49 PM
After 4:

PG: Jennings
SG: Matthews / (Webster)
SF: Ariza / Webster
PF: Lee
 C: Pekovic

What should I look for next? Does anyone not fit?

I like the fits here. My comments on the Ariza selection stand (like it).

I think the core is quite good. Rounding out the bench with some bigs (defense, and a stretch 4, perhaps) and a pure point guard would be my suggestions.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 02:56:41 PM
G: Jarrett Jack
G: Eric Gordon
F: Mbah a Moute
F: Anthony Davis
C: Amare Stoudemire

Sixth Man - Enes Kanter

Love the Jack-Gordon pairing. And Davis/Kanter could grow into an exciting frontcourt, given time.

Haven't seen much of Mbah a Moute, but I know he's missed time due to a nagging knee/leg injury of some sort. I don't know at this point whether he is a power 3, or a small 4. A lighter, faster wing of similar size might be good for the later rounds, someone who can defend opposing 2s/3s.

Mbah a Moute defends 1 through 4. They put him on Chris Paul and other top PGs as well as quick footed SGs like D-Wade to small forwards like Melo and LeBron to power forwards like Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki. He can handle all those defensive matchups. Milwaukee will put him on absolutely anyone. He has that defensive range.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/29207/luc-richard-mbah-a-moutes-scouting-report
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/41003037.html

I am hoping to get a skilled SF with shooting ability to play behind Mbah a Moute. Since, you know, he can't shoot.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 04:22:40 PM

Mbah a Moute defends 1 through 4. They put him on Chris Paul and other top PGs as well as quick footed SGs like D-Wade to small forwards like Melo and LeBron to power forwards like Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki. He can handle all those defensive matchups. Milwaukee will put him on absolutely anyone. He has that defensive range.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/29207/luc-richard-mbah-a-moutes-scouting-report
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/41003037.html

I am hoping to get a skilled SF with shooting ability to play behind Mbah a Moute. Since, you know, he can't shoot.

Those links are a bit old, before his injury. Patella tendonitis.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/bucks-mbah-a-moute-works-on-rehab-337jlp1-178754371.html

Quote
Mbah a Moute struggled with right knee pain throughout last season and missed 19 games due to tendinitis. And when he did play, his effectiveness and lateral movement were limited due to the pain.

He missed the start of this season on continued rehab, but seems to be settling in, according to his game logs. I haven't watched much Bucks basketball this season, so I don't know if his lateral movement has come back.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 21, 2013, 04:26:10 PM

Mbah a Moute defends 1 through 4. They put him on Chris Paul and other top PGs as well as quick footed SGs like D-Wade to small forwards like Melo and LeBron to power forwards like Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki. He can handle all those defensive matchups. Milwaukee will put him on absolutely anyone. He has that defensive range.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/29207/luc-richard-mbah-a-moutes-scouting-report
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/41003037.html

I am hoping to get a skilled SF with shooting ability to play behind Mbah a Moute. Since, you know, he can't shoot.

Those links are a bit old, before his injury. Patella tendonitis.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/bucks-mbah-a-moute-works-on-rehab-337jlp1-178754371.html

Quote
Mbah a Moute struggled with right knee pain throughout last season and missed 19 games due to tendinitis. And when he did play, his effectiveness and lateral movement were limited due to the pain.

He missed the start of this season on continued rehab, but seems to be settling in, according to his game logs. I haven't watched much Bucks basketball this season, so I don't know if his lateral movement has come back.

Hmm ... okay. I'll have to watch him more closely next time I watch the Bucks and see how he is doing then.

I want to watch some more Bucks games anyway to see how Larry Sanders is coming along. I am still not quite sure what to make of him.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 21, 2013, 04:29:25 PM
Ii have the best per minute rebounding team ;D

Hickson
Reggie Evans
Marion
McGee
Aminu
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 21, 2013, 04:32:00 PM
I think you meant to say LARRY SANDERS!, correct?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 21, 2013, 05:21:07 PM
Greivis Vásquez | Andre Miller
Klay Thompson
Jeff Green
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 21, 2013, 05:26:37 PM
Ii have the best per minute rebounding team ;D

Hickson
Reggie Evans
Marion
McGee
Aminu

Recanted

Did not realize you have Westbrook and Crawford to go along with these players.  Hard to tell what players you exactly have, you should update your sig.

Not too shabby after all.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 21, 2013, 05:40:38 PM
Ii have the best per minute rebounding team ;D

Hickson
Reggie Evans
Marion
McGee
Aminu

Who else is looking forward to watching JaVale running the point?! =)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 21, 2013, 07:03:38 PM
Have my first Vet added to the mix, what should I target next to go with this young team?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 21, 2013, 07:05:03 PM
Have my first Vet added to the mix, what should I target next to go with this young team?

A player like the healthy guy Boston just traded, locker-room leader to stabilize the team. Role-model.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 21, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
Have my first Vet added to the mix, what should I target next to go with this young team?

Another shooter, either a wing or stretch four.

A legit PF with size and strength as a change of pace from Thad Young might also be good.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 21, 2013, 07:15:31 PM
If anyone's looking to shed a little salary, I've got a lot of players signed to pretty reasonable deals. Duncan and KG are untouchable though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 21, 2013, 07:26:20 PM
Ok, time to take a whack at the new Heat.  have at it people.

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight,  Mo Williams

Bench
Lou Williams (injured but will be back for next year)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 21, 2013, 07:27:52 PM
Greivis Vásquez | Andre Miller
Klay Thompson
Jeff Green
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

Thoughts?
not bad but I don't see a go-to guy here.  Green and Zach are as close as you get but I think you need someone who can consistantly get a bucket without having to be set up
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 21, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
Willing to trade 5.20 or 5.26 for two later picks.  PM me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 21, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
Greivis Vásquez | Andre Miller
Klay Thompson
Jeff Green
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

Thoughts?
not bad but I don't see a go-to guy here.  Green and Zach are as close as you get but I think you need someone who can consistantly get a bucket without having to be set up

Someone like Derozan.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 21, 2013, 07:55:27 PM
Greivis Vásquez | Andre Miller
Klay Thompson
Jeff Green
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

Thoughts?
not bad but I don't see a go-to guy here.  Green and Zach are as close as you get but I think you need someone who can consistantly get a bucket without having to be set up

Not Andre Miller even? ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 21, 2013, 09:32:22 PM
Memphis Grizzlies
Greivis Vásquez | Klay Thompson | Jeff Green | Zach Randolph | Omer Asik
Andre Miller | Caron Butler
($20,626,954 remaining)
7.15, 8.11, 8.15, 9.15, 9.19, 11.15


What am I looking for now? Still that stretch-4? Salary finally starting to become an issue (albeit a minor one)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 21, 2013, 10:00:52 PM
Alright, so I dumped Caron Butler.  Team now looks like this:

Tony Parker
Danny Green / Monta Ellis
--
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol


The question is simple:  what do I do at the SF position? 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 21, 2013, 10:13:02 PM
Alright, so I dumped Caron Butler.  Team now looks like this:

Tony Parker
Danny Green / Monta Ellis
--
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol


The question is simple:  what do I do at the SF position?

I think Caron Butler would fit really well. He's probably worth 5.15 plus a little more. Jk

I think you want one with a serviceable jump shot at the least. Can't Earl play SF?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 21, 2013, 10:18:59 PM
Alright, so I dumped Caron Butler.  Team now looks like this:

Tony Parker
Danny Green / Monta Ellis
--
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol


The question is simple:  what do I do at the SF position?

I think Caron Butler would fit really well. He's probably worth 5.15 plus a little more. Jk

I think you want one with a serviceable jump shot at the least. Can't Earl play SF?

Eh... against certain matchups he can, but I like him a lot more as a backup PF and occasionally even a floor-stretching center. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 22, 2013, 09:14:48 AM
Here's the current Knicks squad:

Mike Conley Jr/(Foye)
Randy Foye/Jimmy Butler
Carmelo/(Butler)
Millsap/Ed Davis/(Carmelo)
Chandler/Davis

And we still have over $25 mill in cap space to boot.  Will probably take a backup PG and C with my next picks. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 22, 2013, 11:29:52 AM

Warriors  (33.64 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
PF Landry
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 11:31:16 AM
Tony Parker
Danny Green
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol


Thoughts?  I don't have much money left, but there are still a few bargains out there. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 11:33:09 AM
Tony Parker
Danny Green
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol


Thoughts?  I don't have much money left, but there are still a few bargains out there.

I really like the Joe Johnson and Carlos Delfino additions.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 22, 2013, 11:33:40 AM

Warriors  (33.64 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
PF Landry

Well, I'd guess you're leading the league in Ls (not losses, player names).

This is probably the deadliest 3-pt shooting team in the league, but wing defense is a huge question mark, and Lavoy's value as a starter is still in question.  Looks like an exciting lower playoff seed and 1st round exit to me.  So kinda like the real Warriors.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 11:33:53 AM

Warriors  (33.64 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
PF Landry

I'm not crazy about your defense - although Lavoy Allen will help and was an excellent pick this late.  But this team will be able to score on anybody.  I like it overall.

A defensive wing might be a good move for your next pick.  And maybe some glue, to keep Curry's ankles from falling apart.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 22, 2013, 11:34:25 AM

Warriors  (33.64 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG Marco Belinelli
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
PF Landry

Would start Landry, and don't love Bellinelli, but it's a solid team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 11:40:23 AM
Here's the current Knicks squad:

Mike Conley Jr/(Foye)
Randy Foye/Jimmy Butler
Carmelo/(Butler)
Millsap/Ed Davis/(Carmelo)
Chandler/Davis

And we still have over $25 mill in cap space to boot.  Will probably take a backup PG and C with my next picks.

I'd go for some guys that are a little more proven off the bench.  Butler and Davis are nice pieces for the future, but neither is exactly a reliable player at this point. 

I do like the makeup of the team overall.  Conley's a nice, underrated PG who will play good D at the top of your defense, and Chandler is maybe the best defensive anchor in the league.  Anthony is a heck of a scorer.

A scorer off the bench would help you.  Ideally a guard who wouldn't mind playing off of Carmelo late in games. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 22, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 5 (and a big trade)

PG - Monta Ellis (chucker than Chuck E Cheese)
SG - Andre Iguodala (got robbed of a Slam Dunk contest)
SF - Luol Deng (Dukie)
PF - Glen Davis (KG made him cry once)
C  - Joakim Noah (still cool)

Bench:

G - Chauncey Billups (big shot)
F - Elton Brand (Eli Barnd according to my then 6 yr. brother)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 12:26:32 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 5 (and a big trade)

PG - Monta Ellis (chucker than Chuck E Cheese)
SG - Andre Iguodala (got robbed of a Slam Dunk contest)
SF - Luol Deng (Dukie)
PF - Glen Davis (KG made him cry once)
C  - Joakim Noah (still cool)

Bench:

G - Chauncey Billups (big shot)
F - Elton Brand (Eli Barnd according to my then 6 yr. brother)

Why did you decide to start Glen Davis over Elton Brand?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 12:28:12 PM
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
Reggie Evans
J.J Hickson

Bench
Jamal Crawford
Al Farouq Aminu
Javale McGee

A really messed up team but the best rebounding team in the league ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 22, 2013, 12:29:16 PM
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
Reggie Evans
J.J Hickson

Bench
Jamal Crawford
Al Farouq Aminu
Javale McGee

A really messed up team but the best rebounding team in the league ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Ball movement is a luge issue.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 22, 2013, 12:30:34 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 5 (and a big trade)

PG - Monta Ellis (chucker than Chuck E Cheese)
SG - Andre Iguodala (got robbed of a Slam Dunk contest)
SF - Luol Deng (Dukie)
PF - Glen Davis (KG made him cry once)
C  - Joakim Noah (still cool)

Bench:

G - Chauncey Billups (big shot)
F - Elton Brand (Eli Barnd according to my then 6 yr. brother)

Why did you decide to start Glen Davis over Elton Brand?

Better offensively, not a lot of setback defensively.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 12:30:54 PM
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
Reggie Evans
J.J Hickson

Bench
Jamal Crawford
Al Farouq Aminu
Javale McGee

A really messed up team but the best rebounding team in the league ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Ball movement is a luge issue.

This isnt the CB Draft so i really dont care as  i still have the best REBOUNDING team  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 22, 2013, 12:34:33 PM
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
Reggie Evans
J.J Hickson

Bench
Jamal Crawford
Al Farouq Aminu
Javale McGee

A really messed up team but the best rebounding team in the league ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Ball movement is a luge issue.

This isnt the CB Draft so i really dont care as  i still have the best REBOUNDING team  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's a fair point.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 12:37:01 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 5 (and a big trade)

PG - Monta Ellis (chucker than Chuck E Cheese)
SG - Andre Iguodala (got robbed of a Slam Dunk contest)
SF - Luol Deng (Dukie)
PF - Glen Davis (KG made him cry once)
C  - Joakim Noah (still cool)

Bench:

G - Chauncey Billups (big shot)
F - Elton Brand (Eli Barnd according to my then 6 yr. brother)

Why did you decide to start Glen Davis over Elton Brand?

Better offensively, not a lot of setback defensively.

Isn't Davis currently out with a broken foot?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 22, 2013, 12:38:40 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 5 (and a big trade)

PG - Monta Ellis (chucker than Chuck E Cheese)
SG - Andre Iguodala (got robbed of a Slam Dunk contest)
SF - Luol Deng (Dukie)
PF - Glen Davis (KG made him cry once)
C  - Joakim Noah (still cool)

Bench:

G - Chauncey Billups (big shot)
F - Elton Brand (Eli Barnd according to my then 6 yr. brother)

Why did you decide to start Glen Davis over Elton Brand?

Better offensively, not a lot of setback defensively.

Isn't Davis currently out with a broken foot?

Yes, but Pau is starting for some team I forgot with a torn PLantar Fascia and is out for weeks too.

I don't see the argument?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 22, 2013, 12:38:58 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil)
SG: Ray Allen ($3.09 mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($3 mil)

Any love, or just fear?

Done un until I get home but any love/hate gets a TP  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 12:40:40 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 5 (and a big trade)

PG - Monta Ellis (chucker than Chuck E Cheese)
SG - Andre Iguodala (got robbed of a Slam Dunk contest)
SF - Luol Deng (Dukie)
PF - Glen Davis (KG made him cry once)
C  - Joakim Noah (still cool)

Bench:

G - Chauncey Billups (big shot)
F - Elton Brand (Eli Barnd according to my then 6 yr. brother)

Why did you decide to start Glen Davis over Elton Brand?

Better offensively, not a lot of setback defensively.

Isn't Davis currently out with a broken foot?

Yes, but Pau is starting for some team I forgot with a torn PLantar Fascia and is out for weeks too.

I don't see the argument?

Injuries count.

If you're talking about later in the season, sure, you've got a point.  Here and now, it doesn't fly.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 22, 2013, 12:42:43 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil)
SG: Ray Allen ($3.09 mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($3 mil)

Any love, or just fear?

Done un until I get home but any love/hate gets a TP  ;D

More love than hate. Not sure about Ray in that bunch. If he didn't like being the 4th option in Boston, not sure how he'll like it here.

I love your C tandem. JT was a guy we'd hoped to take.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 22, 2013, 12:43:15 PM
Chicago Bulls: After 5 (and a big trade)

PG - Monta Ellis (chucker than Chuck E Cheese)
SG - Andre Iguodala (got robbed of a Slam Dunk contest)
SF - Luol Deng (Dukie)
PF - Glen Davis (KG made him cry once)
C  - Joakim Noah (still cool)

Bench:

G - Chauncey Billups (big shot)
F - Elton Brand (Eli Barnd according to my then 6 yr. brother)

Why did you decide to start Glen Davis over Elton Brand?

Better offensively, not a lot of setback defensively.

Isn't Davis currently out with a broken foot?

Yes, but Pau is starting for some team I forgot with a torn PLantar Fascia and is out for weeks too.

I don't see the argument?

Injuries count.

If you're talking about later in the season, sure, you've got a point.  Here and now, it doesn't fly.

Fair point.

Okay, let's just say that's the depth chart. Until Baby gets back, Brand starts. Fair deal, right?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil)
SG: Ray Allen ($3.09 mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($3 mil)

Any love, or just fear?

Done un until I get home but any love/hate gets a TP  ;D

Jason Thompson is only on $3 million?

I thought he was on like $6 million a year. Has his contract extension not kicked in yet? I thought he had finished his rookie contract.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 12:50:18 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil)
SG: Ray Allen ($3.09 mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($3 mil)

Any love, or just fear?

Done un until I get home but any love/hate gets a TP  ;D

I love it. Strong defensive team. Very good offensive team. Quality rebounding team.

A very strong well-balanced ball club. Title contender.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 22, 2013, 12:50:47 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil)
SG: Ray Allen ($3.09 mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($3 mil)

Any love, or just fear?

Done un until I get home but any love/hate gets a TP  ;D

Jason Thompson is only on $3 million?

I thought he was on like $6 million a year. Has his contract extension not kicked in yet? I thought he had finished his rookie contract.

Shamsports has him at $5.25.

Stop Googling salaries, guys - I think Google gives you last year's number.  Just go to http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp (http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp)

EDIT: Yup, Thompson made $3 mill last season.  Don't trust the sneaksy, tricksy Googleses! 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 22, 2013, 12:51:41 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil)
SG: Ray Allen ($3.09 mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($3 mil)

Any love, or just fear?

Done un until I get home but any love/hate gets a TP  ;D

Jason Thompson is only on $3 million?

I thought he was on like $6 million a year. Has his contract extension not kicked in yet? I thought he had finished his rookie contract.

Correct. He signed an extension that starts at $5.25 million this year.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/kings.jsp
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 22, 2013, 01:25:20 PM
Bucks after 5:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic/I.Mahinmi

What's everyone think of the Mahinmi pick?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 01:28:03 PM
Bucks after 5:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic/I.Mahinmi

What's everyone think of the Mahinmi pick?

Really good.

I think Mahinmi has improved a good amount this season. Bulked up. Tougher in the paint. He used to be easy to push around but he can stand his ground now. A better defender for it.

Nice mobile defensive center to couple with David Lee.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 22, 2013, 01:35:03 PM
Bucks after 5:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic/I.Mahinmi

What's everyone think of the Mahinmi pick?

Really good.

I think Mahinmi has improved a good amount this season. Bulked up. Tougher in the paint. He used to be easy to push around but he can stand his ground now. A better defender for it.

Nice mobile defensive center to couple with David Lee.

I agree.

My only apprehension in picking Mahinmi was if he could play the 4. I was looking for a PF/C that could fill in the other spot depending on who was on the floor (Pek or Lee). In the end, though, Mahinmi was just too good a fit on my team.

I'll try to get a good enough PF in a later round so Lee can catch his breath.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 22, 2013, 01:36:07 PM
Hawks after 5

PG: Jose Calderon
SG: Ronnie Brewer
SF: Danny Granger
PF: Kevin Love
C:  Al Horford/ Robin Lopez

Salary 54.7 out of 70.3  15.6 remaining

Really pumped about my brewer pick, I think he finishes my starting 5 well, just a solid defender that will keep the ball moving on offense.  I didnt need scoring out of that spot so I was happy to get very good defense at $854K
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 22, 2013, 01:43:30 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil)
SG: Ray Allen ($3.09 mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($3 mil)

Any love, or just fear?

Done un until I get home but any love/hate gets a TP  ;D

Jason Thompson is only on $3 million?

I thought he was on like $6 million a year. Has his contract extension not kicked in yet? I thought he had finished his rookie contract.

That was 2012. Should be 5.25. Ill update later. Thanks for the notice
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 02:00:30 PM
Brooklyn Nets after round 5

 C:  B.Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: C.Boozer ($15m)  A.Blatche ($.85m)
SF: M.Barnes ($.85m)
SG: K.Bryant ($27.85m)  J.Terry ($5m)
PG: G.Hill ($8m)

Remaining salary: $11.4m (including $.49m roster charge)


Thoughts???
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 02:03:48 PM
Bucks after 5:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic/I.Mahinmi

What's everyone think of the Mahinmi pick?

I really liked the Mahinmi pick.

Overall, your roster has come a long way from the toxic combo of Monta and Jennings.  Likely 7th or 8th spot in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 22, 2013, 02:05:38 PM
Bucks after 5:

PG: B.Jennings
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: N.Pekovic/I.Mahinmi

What's everyone think of the Mahinmi pick?

I really liked the Mahinmi pick.

Overall, your roster has come a long way from the toxic combo of Monta and Jennings.  Likely 7th or 8th spot in the playoffs.

I wish I could say I picked those two as a challenge, but I was stuck in 2k rating mode at the time (they're both 85's or so). Still, I've ended up liking the challenge, and I think I'll stick around for future drafts  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 02:05:46 PM
Hawks after 5

PG: Jose Calderon
SG: Ronnie Brewer
SF: Danny Granger
PF: Kevin Love
C:  Al Horford/ Robin Lopez

Salary 54.7 out of 70.3  15.6 remaining

Really pumped about my brewer pick, I think he finishes my starting 5 well, just a solid defender that will keep the ball moving on offense.  I didnt need scoring out of that spot so I was happy to get very good defense at $854K

It's a preety good squad.  Very nice front-court.  Back-court complements them reasonably well too.  I'd wager it's a 2nd round playoff team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 22, 2013, 02:09:35 PM
Finally, I feel like I can post this:

Cavs:

PG: Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
SG: Lance Stephenson
SF: Harrison Barnes
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Andrew Bynum
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 22, 2013, 02:11:47 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil)
SG: Ray Allen ($3.09 mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($3 mil)

Any love, or just fear?

Done un until I get home but any love/hate gets a TP  ;D

Off the top of my head, this is probably my pick for strongest squad.  However, there are lots of teams I'm probably overlooking.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 02:12:16 PM
Finally, I feel like I can post this:

Cavs:

PG: Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
SG: Lance Stephenson
SF: Harrison Barnes
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Andrew Bynum

Why did you choose Lance Stephenson? That pick surprised me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 22, 2013, 02:13:14 PM
Finally, I feel like I can post this:

Cavs:

PG: Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
SG: Lance Stephenson
SF: Harrison Barnes
PF: Ryan Anderson
C: Andrew Bynum DNP-INJ

If Bynum stays healthy, this is a future contender, just due to the Irving-Barnes-Bynum potential.  However, I've given up hope on Bynum.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 22, 2013, 02:47:08 PM
Alright, I feel like the Rockets are starting to take shape.

Chalmers/Harden/Chandler/Nene/Hawes is my starting squad.  An offense built around Harden and Nene - either in the pick and roll together or on their own.  Chalmers will provide a capable 3-point threat to space the floor and a secondary ball-handler on the perimeter.  Chandler can space the floor a bit and attack the weaker defenders.  Hawes will be a floor spacer with his solid perimeter shooting, as well as a facilitator and supplementary scorer from the high and low post.  Manu will bring the pain off the bench, replacing Mario as a higher-usage PG and pick and roll threat alongside Harden, and then taking over the reins of the offense when Harden needs a break.  Marvin Williams' combo-forward skillset will allow us to stay big when Chandler rests or go small and up-tempo with Chandler at the 4 and Nene at the 5.

Defensively, we're not great, but we have good size and enough flexibility to match up against power teams and quick teams.

What holes do you think I should concentrate on filling - got two picks in the mid 6th that will be key.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 02:56:07 PM
Alright, I feel like the Rockets are starting to take shape.

Chalmers/Harden/Chandler/Nene/Hawes is my starting squad.  An offense built around Harden and Nene - either in the pick and roll together or on their own.  Chalmers will provide a capable 3-point threat to space the floor and a secondary ball-handler on the perimeter.  Chandler can space the floor a bit and attack the weaker defenders.  Hawes will be a floor spacer with his solid perimeter shooting, as well as a facilitator and supplementary scorer from the high and low post.  Manu will bring the pain off the bench, replacing Mario as a higher-usage PG and pick and roll threat alongside Harden, and then taking over the reins of the offense when Harden needs a break.  Marvin Williams' combo-forward skillset will allow us to stay big when Chandler rests or go small and up-tempo with Chandler at the 4 and Nene at the 5.

Defensively, we're not great, but we have good size and enough flexibility to match up against power teams and quick teams.

What holes do you think I should concentrate on filling - got two picks in the mid 6th that will be key.

I think you are done. A seven man regular rotation.

Everything is already covered with the 7 guys you have selected. You can just go and run with that. Those guys will play night in night out and maybe you pick a specialist on a night by night basis as an 8th or even 9th guy depending on whatever (if any) extra skill-set the opponent you face.

I think it's just BPA from now on. Specialists to fill out your bench. An extra PG. A PF with legitimate size and bulk. An extra defensive C. Stuff like that. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 22, 2013, 03:16:30 PM
Lakers

Starters

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: JJ Redick $6.19 million
SF: Metta Word Peace $7.26 million
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter $3.94 million
SF: Mike Dunleavy $3.75 million

Total salary spent: $67.64 million
Cap remaining: $31.66 million


Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 03:21:54 PM
Brooklyn Nets after round 5

 C:  B.Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: C.Boozer ($15m)  A.Blatche ($.85m)
SF: M.Barnes ($.85m)
SG: K.Bryant ($27.85m)  J.Terry ($5m)
PG: G.Hill ($8m)

Remaining salary: $11.4m (including $.49m roster charge)


TP awarded to all comments
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 22, 2013, 03:23:07 PM
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5

38.2 Million in Cap Space remaining.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 22, 2013, 03:26:12 PM
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5

38.2 Million in Cap Space remaining.
LOL...your two player bench costs more than your starters
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 22, 2013, 03:26:46 PM
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5

38.2 Million in Cap Space remaining.

Really like this team. I am still skeptical of Monroe and Drummond together but Bargs is a perfect compliment to either regardless
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 03:27:45 PM
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5

38.2 Million in Cap Space remaining.

Only $15m more to go to reach the salary floor.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 22, 2013, 03:33:54 PM
Finally, I feel like I can post this:

Cavs:

PG: Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
SG: Lance Stephenson
SF: Harrison Barnes
PF: Ryan Anderson (Greg Smith)
C: Andrew Bynum/Greg Smith

Why did you choose Lance Stephenson? That pick surprised me.

I think Lance Stephenson has improved by a significant margin from his previous performances. His shot and his shot selection has stabilized, his turnovers have been cut, and his defense is predictably (from scouting reports) stellar at the 2 position.

He's also started 46 games for the Pacers, playing nearly 30 minutes a contest, so I'm not worried about how the increased minutes will affect his production or energy levels.

What I wanted at my 2 spot was Tony Allen. What I got was a guy who has a high defensive potential, and is currently starting for a playoff team. So not Tony Allen, but not so bad either.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 22, 2013, 03:37:14 PM
Some trades I expected have not worked so this looks like what I am likely stuck. Will certainly take a different approach next draft but I am generally happy with the youth and talent of this team.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 22, 2013, 03:38:20 PM
Alright, I feel like the Rockets are starting to take shape.

Chalmers/Harden/Chandler/Nene/Hawes is my starting squad.  An offense built around Harden and Nene - either in the pick and roll together or on their own.  Chalmers will provide a capable 3-point threat to space the floor and a secondary ball-handler on the perimeter.  Chandler can space the floor a bit and attack the weaker defenders.  Hawes will be a floor spacer with his solid perimeter shooting, as well as a facilitator and supplementary scorer from the high and low post.  Manu will bring the pain off the bench, replacing Mario as a higher-usage PG and pick and roll threat alongside Harden, and then taking over the reins of the offense when Harden needs a break.  Marvin Williams' combo-forward skillset will allow us to stay big when Chandler rests or go small and up-tempo with Chandler at the 4 and Nene at the 5.

Defensively, we're not great, but we have good size and enough flexibility to match up against power teams and quick teams.

What holes do you think I should concentrate on filling - got two picks in the mid 6th that will be key.
nice looking team.  pretty well balanced.  hard to find any faults with it.  a better PG maybe but that's about it.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 22, 2013, 03:39:35 PM
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5

38.2 Million in Cap Space remaining.

Really like this team. I am still skeptical of Monroe and Drummond together but Bargs is a perfect compliment to either regardless

If Joe D believes in them, I believe in them.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 22, 2013, 03:40:14 PM
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5

38.2 Million in Cap Space remaining.
LOL...your two player bench costs more than your starters


Isn't it awesome?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 22, 2013, 03:41:38 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 03:45:34 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)

Nice team i dont know if the fit is there though
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 22, 2013, 03:49:34 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)

Nice team i dont know if the fit is there though

Personally thought Okafur was a bit of a reach in the first but Mullins would be a great fit and nice value.

In the end you have Lebron, doesn't matter a lot what's around him lol
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 22, 2013, 03:50:59 PM
So no one has enlightened thoughts about my bold choices in Lance Stephenson, Isaiah THomas, or Greg Smith?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 22, 2013, 03:51:14 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)

Nice team i dont know if the fit is there though
anything in particular that you don't feel fits together?  just curious. 

I could use some depth obviously but I think my starters are all pretty smart players, good passers and my frontcourt players are all very good defenders.  All are good scorers so Lebron won't have to carry the load himself.  Hoping to address the holes (that I see) in the next few rounds. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 03:52:08 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)

Nice team i dont know if the fit is there though
anything in particular that you don't feel fits together?  just curious. 

I could use some depth obviously but I think my starters are all pretty smart players, good passers and my frontcourt players are all very good defenders.  All are good scorers so Lebron won't have to carry the load himself.  Hoping to address the holes (that I see) in the next few rounds.

I don't know why, but I just feel Emeka doesn't fit.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 03:52:25 PM
So no one has enlightened thoughts about my bold choices in Lance Stephenson, Isaiah THomas, or Greg Smith?


No its the Pick 2 Draft  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 22, 2013, 03:52:27 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)

Nice team i dont know if the fit is there though

Personally thought Okafur was a bit of a reach in the first but Mullins would be a great fit and nice value.

In the end you have Lebron, doesn't matter a lot what's around him lol
I see your point on Emeka and it's hard to disagree.  just knowing that there's always an early run on bigs is a primary reason to grab a solid center early.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 22, 2013, 03:53:13 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)

Nice team i dont know if the fit is there though
anything in particular that you don't feel fits together?  just curious. 

I could use some depth obviously but I think my starters are all pretty smart players, good passers and my frontcourt players are all very good defenders.  All are good scorers so Lebron won't have to carry the load himself.  Hoping to address the holes (that I see) in the next few rounds.

I don't know why, but I just feel Emeka doesn't fit.
yeah, he's not an up-tempo guy like the others but in the halfcourt, he's pretty handy.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 03:54:13 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)

Nice team i dont know if the fit is there though
anything in particular that you don't feel fits together?  just curious. 

I could use some depth obviously but I think my starters are all pretty smart players, good passers and my frontcourt players are all very good defenders.  All are good scorers so Lebron won't have to carry the load himself.  Hoping to address the holes (that I see) in the next few rounds.

I don't know why, but I just feel Emeka doesn't fit.
yeah, he's not an up-tempo guy like the others but in the halfcourt, he's pretty handy.

Are there any running bigs (6'11"+) you could possibly pick up?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 03:54:47 PM
So no one has enlightened thoughts about my bold choices in Lance Stephenson, Isaiah THomas, or Greg Smith?

Heck, I even offered TP's for thought on my squad, and got nothing.

Smith and Stevenson I'm not knowledgeable enough on to comment.

I did like your Thomas pick though.  Nice bench player to fit in behind Kyrie.  Mini-microwave type.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 22, 2013, 03:55:14 PM
So no one has enlightened thoughts about my bold choices in Lance Stephenson, Isaiah THomas, or Greg Smith?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EgH6kLFRF5M/UB4__CtrfwI/AAAAAAAAEaQ/9iH4Y81z7Hk/s1600/23471605.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 22, 2013, 03:56:27 PM
My issue with emeka is that it moves LeBron to the 3, where it's easier for defenders to hang with him, but when he's at the 4 he's an ungodly monster.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 03:56:43 PM
Brooklyn Nets after round 5

 C:  B.Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: C.Boozer ($15m)  A.Blatche ($.85m)
SF: M.Barnes ($.85m)
SG: K.Bryant ($27.85m)  J.Terry ($5m)
PG: G.Hill ($8m)

Remaining salary: $11.4m (including $.49m roster charge)


Thoughts???

I dont like Matt Barnes and Carlos Boozer on that team
Where are my TPs?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 04:00:14 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)

LeBron alone is good enough to get you into the 2nd round.  Bosh and Emeka is strange to me, only because Emeka probably needs to ride the bench late in games.

Only qualm I had was the Lou Williams pick.  Injured and out for the year (I believe).  Not a great pick in my eyes.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 04:01:16 PM
Brooklyn Nets after round 5

 C:  B.Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: C.Boozer ($15m)  A.Blatche ($.85m)
SF: M.Barnes ($.85m)
SG: K.Bryant ($27.85m)  J.Terry ($5m)
PG: G.Hill ($8m)

Remaining salary: $11.4m (including $.49m roster charge)


Thoughts???

I dont like Matt Barnes and Carlos Boozer on that team
Where are my TPs?

One TP paid, even if your wayyyyyy wrong.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 04:03:52 PM
Brooklyn Nets after round 5

 C:  B.Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: C.Boozer ($15m)  A.Blatche ($.85m)
SF: M.Barnes ($.85m)
SG: K.Bryant ($27.85m)  J.Terry ($5m)
PG: G.Hill ($8m)

Remaining salary: $11.4m (including $.49m roster charge)


Thoughts???

I dont like Matt Barnes and Carlos Boozer on that team
Where are my TPs?

One TP paid, even if your wayyyyyy wrong.

Say it wit yo chest!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 22, 2013, 04:16:34 PM
Brooklyn Nets after round 5

 C:  B.Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: C.Boozer ($15m)  A.Blatche ($.85m)
SF: M.Barnes ($.85m)
SG: K.Bryant ($27.85m)  J.Terry ($5m)
PG: G.Hill ($8m)

Remaining salary: $11.4m (including $.49m roster charge)


Thoughts???

LOVE: George Hill next to Kobe, Brook Lopez's offensive game, Jason Terry as a Kobe-sub and game closer. The half-court potential of the offense is very strong here.

Neutral: Boozer's offensive game, his defense of centers. Andray Blatche's 'reformation', Kobe's ability to be the principal facilitator in the offense (which he would need to be).

Hate: Brook Lopez and Carlos Boozer as a defensive tandem, and the defensive viability of the situation as a whole. Matt Barnes in general. Athleticism isn't very high, and speed will be a liability here.

Overall: Need to improve athleticism, preferably starting with the 3. A great addition (and I'm not saying this to be difficult) would be Kawhi Leonard.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 04:16:59 PM
So no one has enlightened thoughts about my bold choices in Lance Stephenson, Isaiah THomas, or Greg Smith?

Isaiah Thomas = Middle of the pack backup PG. Too small and weak. Lousy defender/rebounder. Solid skill-level offensively.

Lance Stephenson = I haven't been impressed by in his time as a starter. He hasn't been able to create offensively against players his own size and is too limited off the ball. A weak offensive player. A good solid defender/rebounder but he doesn't bring enough to the table to earn a starting position. One of the limiting factors in Indiana's success this year. I rate him as a well below average but passable backup SG. I still prefer him as lead ball-handler (PG).

Greg Smith = I read that he got sent down to the D-League recently because he stopped putting in effort defensively and wasn't playing with enough energy. Just wanted to shoot the ball. He looked quite good when he first broke into the Rockets team but his play has deteriorated since then leading to the demotion to the D-League.

I thought Greg Smith showed really good talent offensively with that jump-shot and finishing around the basket. Very efficient. His rebounding numbers are good so he can clearly rebound when focused. I don't have a good read on him defensively.

I think he'll be fine in the long run. Just a bump (the D-League demotion) in the road me thinks. Showed too much talent to disappear for long.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 22, 2013, 04:19:27 PM
Lakers

Starters

PG: Deron Williams $17.18 million
SG: JJ Redick $6.19 million
SF: Metta Word Peace $7.26 million
PF: Andrei Kirilenko $9.78 million
C: Dwight Howard $19.54 million

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter $3.94 million
SF: Mike Dunleavy $3.75 million

Total salary spent: $67.64 million
Cap remaining: $31.66 million

Scary team.  An embarrassment of riches at center, an excellent backcourt, and an intriguing Jekyll/Hyde tandem with MWP/Dunleavy + AK's versatility.   

Impressive work.

The one thing that comes to mind immediately is that Splitter/Howard together won't work as well as Splitter/Duncan, so I'd look to add a PF with range, or trade Splitter for a F/C who can play with Howard more.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
Brooklyn Nets after round 5

 C:  B.Lopez ($13.67m)
PF: C.Boozer ($15m)  A.Blatche ($.85m)
SF: M.Barnes ($.85m)
SG: K.Bryant ($27.85m)  J.Terry ($5m)
PG: G.Hill ($8m)

Remaining salary: $11.4m (including $.49m roster charge)


TP awarded to all comments

I am really high on your backcourt (Kobe, Terry, Hill) and Brook Lopez.

I like Andray Blatche very much as a backup center but would like him more if he had a better defensive center in front of him. Not against a Brook-Blatche combo but a little less happy with it than I would be with Blatche as my backup center otherwise. One of the best, if not the best, offensive backup centers in the league.

I do not like your forward combination. I don't think it works well with your team.

I like Matt Barnes as a backup SF but I think he is out of his depth as a starting SF. He is lacking too much in quickness / athleticism and will be considerably less effective defensively there than when coming off the bench.

I like Carlos Boozer as an individual player but I really hate the idea of Boozer and B.Lopez together defensively. It's more a question of fit than talent. Boozer is still a good player in his own right.

I dislike the idea of Blatche being used mainly at PF rather than C. He is a less effective player there than at C. He needs to play closer to the rim. Plays too far out and takes too many jumpers at PF. A few minutes at PF would be fine but extensive playing time there would cause problems.

I think your backcourt and center rotation will carry your team to a strong 50-55 win playoff squad but that your forwards and lack of interior defense will stop you from being a contender.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 22, 2013, 04:26:09 PM
no comments the first time around for my team.  how are they looking now?

Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
BJ Mullens, Lou Williams (currently injured but will be back next year)

I think you invested too heavily in Okafor and a lot of combo guards.  Need another wing or two or three to allow for the small ball line-ups that LBJ has been so deadly in.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 04:26:50 PM
Some food for thought on Carlos Boozer as a terrible defender.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes this season, Carlos Boozer with his DRtg of 99, ranks 2nd behind only David West.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes, Carlos Boozer with a DRB% of 25.8, ranks 3rd.

Is Boozer as good as his stats say, no.  Playing next to Joakim Noah boosts his numbers somewhat.  Is he a terrible defender as some here say, not a chance.

He is overpaid at $15m per, but for this excercise, I am hardly moved by this.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 04:32:22 PM
And yes, I agree Matt Barnes starting at SF is an issue.

TP's paid for all your comments.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 22, 2013, 04:33:42 PM
Some food for thought on Carlos Boozer as a terrible defender.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes this season, Carlos Boozer with his DRtg of 99, ranks 2nd behind only David West.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes, Carlos Boozer with a DRB% of 25.8, ranks 3rd.

Is Boozer as good as his stats say, no.  Playing next to Joakim Noah boosts his numbers somewhat.  Is he a terrible defender as some here say, not a chance.

He is overpaid at $15m per, but for this excercise, I am hardly moved by this.

Its not that he's a terrible defender, its that he's no longer able to hang with quicker forwards. He also isn't great at defending the P&R. And Brook Lopez can't do either of those things either.

You want Boozer next to a quick agile 5 who can shrink the floor. Lopez can't do that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 22, 2013, 04:34:54 PM
Some food for thought on Carlos Boozer as a terrible defender.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes this season, Carlos Boozer with his DRtg of 99, ranks 2nd behind only David West.

Ed Davis has played 1170 minutes and has a DRtg of 98 for the 83 minutes he's played in Memphis
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 04:39:39 PM
Some food for thought on Carlos Boozer as a terrible defender.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes this season, Carlos Boozer with his DRtg of 99, ranks 2nd behind only David West.

Ed Davis has played 1170 minutes and has a DRtg of 98 for the 83 minutes he's played in Memphis
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 22, 2013, 04:40:00 PM
Some food for thought on Carlos Boozer as a terrible defender.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes this season, Carlos Boozer with his DRtg of 99, ranks 2nd behind only David West.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes, Carlos Boozer with a DRB% of 25.8, ranks 3rd.

Is Boozer as good as his stats say, no.  Playing next to Joakim Noah boosts his numbers somewhat.  Is he a terrible defender as some here say, not a chance.

He is overpaid at $15m per, but for this excercise, I am hardly moved by this.

CARLOS BOOZER CAN DEFEND THE CENTER POSITION *mic drop*
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 22, 2013, 04:41:31 PM
Some food for thought on Carlos Boozer as a terrible defender.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes this season, Carlos Boozer with his DRtg of 99, ranks 2nd behind only David West.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes, Carlos Boozer with a DRB% of 25.8, ranks 3rd.

Is Boozer as good as his stats say, no.  Playing next to Joakim Noah boosts his numbers somewhat.  Is he a terrible defender as some here say, not a chance.

He is overpaid at $15m per, but for this excercise, I am hardly moved by this.

KGK, where do you look up DRtg's? I use basketball-reference.com but that doesn't allow you to see the rankings.

EDIT: Neeeeeeever mind. Yes it does.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 22, 2013, 04:42:38 PM
So no one has enlightened thoughts about my bold choices in Lance Stephenson, Isaiah THomas, or Greg Smith?

Isaiah Thomas = Middle of the pack backup PG. Too small and weak. Lousy defender/rebounder. Solid skill-level offensively.

Lance Stephenson = I haven't been impressed by in his time as a starter. He hasn't been able to create offensively against players his own size and is too limited off the ball. A weak offensive player. A good solid defender/rebounder but he doesn't bring enough to the table to earn a starting position. One of the limiting factors in Indiana's success this year. I rate him as a well below average but passable backup SG. I still prefer him as lead ball-handler (PG).

Rarely do I disagree with everything you put out there, but this is the case here. Per Thomas, he is small, and he isnt terribly strong, but he's got a super-high motor and a scoring touch, and with the way I'm constructing the second unit (tough defenders, versatile), my vision is that he's the straw that stirs the drink. I don't think his talent level is so low among backup PG's, and I'd say there are only a handful of them out there who are definitively above Thomas. Not ideal as a starter, but he's no middle of the pack backup.

Per Stephenson: I haven't watched a ton of Pacers ball this year, but I do read about them a lot. Here's something about Stephenson in a recent game. (http://blogs.pacers.com/stephenson-wasnt-out-to-impress-knicks/) Here's another thing.  (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-stephenson-not-paul-george-pacers-most-improved-165500587--nba.html) He also has the second best ON/Off the court numbers on the Pacers (http://www.82games.com/1213/1213IND.HTM), so while maybe there are more than a few guys you'd rather have starting there, I don't think on the Pacers he's the worst choice. He's likely below average as a starting 2, but he's not the worst one in the league either.

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Greg Smith = I read that he got sent down to the D-League recently because he stopped putting in effort defensively and wasn't playing with enough energy. Just wanted to shoot the ball. He looked quite good when he first broke into the Rockets team but his play has deteriorated since then leading to the demotion to the D-League.

I thought Greg Smith showed really good talent offensively with that jump-shot and finishing around the basket. Very efficient. His rebounding numbers are good so he can clearly rebound when focused. I don't have a good read on him defensively.

I think he'll be fine in the long run. Just a bump (the D-League demotion) in the road me thinks. Showed too much talent to disappear for long.

Ultimately, this was my conclusion as well. Who knows though. I'm glad I dont have to defend him ala CB Draft character standards.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 04:42:54 PM
Some food for thought on Carlos Boozer as a terrible defender.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes this season, Carlos Boozer with his DRtg of 99, ranks 2nd behind only David West.

Ed Davis has played 1170 minutes and has a DRtg of 98 for the 83 minutes he's played in Memphis


This gets a serious    LOL!!!

I will gladly pay you one TP in an hour
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 22, 2013, 04:49:45 PM
Some food for thought on Carlos Boozer as a terrible defender.

Of all PF's listed who have played a minimum of 1000 minutes this season, Carlos Boozer with his DRtg of 99, ranks 2nd behind only David West.

Ed Davis has played 1170 minutes and has a DRtg of 98 for the 83 minutes he's played in Memphis


This gets a serious    LOL!!!

I will gladly pay you one TP in an hour

Hey I'm an honest guy, I'm just not always honest at a normal speaking tone ;D

Seriously though, Davis' O vs D ratings (114/105 career) despite playing on some lousy Raptor teams were a big factor in picking him over a couple other backup big options. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 22, 2013, 04:56:29 PM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 22, 2013, 05:00:29 PM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

I like Dallas a lot in the West. I would add them to that list of top West teams.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 05:01:23 PM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

I say this is pretty spot on, not to toot my own horn.  ;D

I'd also add the Rockets and Mavs to the West mix and the Hawks to the East mix.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million)

PG: Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
____________________
SF: Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
____________________
____________________

$20,626,954 in cap space for:
7.15, 8.11, 8.15, 9.15, 9.19, 11.15

Why are guards so cheap? >_> I'd appreciate if someone gave me some advice :D TPs!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 22, 2013, 05:04:24 PM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

I like Dallas a lot in the West. I would add them to that list of top West teams.

TP for the OKC love. I haven't got a chance to look at every team but I agree Dallas is right up there.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 22, 2013, 05:05:24 PM
Blazers after 5th round:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

PG/SG: Ramon Sessions
SG/SF: Kyle Singler
PF/C:  Nick Collison
C: Jonas Valanciunas

4 picks remaining, plenty of payroll space.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 05:06:00 PM
Blazers after 5th round:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

PG/SG: Ramon Sessions
SG/SF: Kyle Singler
PF/C:  Nick Collison
C: Jonas Valanciunas

4 picks remaining, plenty of payroll space.

I see FIVE picks in your sig
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 22, 2013, 05:07:49 PM
Dallas is a good call.  I see the Hawks as a notch below the 3 East teams - a tough 2nd round out who could maybe make an ECF run if things break their way.  But even that is assuming Love can return to form.  I place the Rockets in a similar tier.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 22, 2013, 05:10:55 PM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 22, 2013, 05:11:02 PM
Blazers after 5th round:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

PG/SG: Ramon Sessions
SG/SF: Kyle Singler
PF/C:  Nick Collison
C: Jonas Valanciunas

4 picks remaining, plenty of payroll space.

I love the roster as a whole but you've got a hybrid of guys heading into their down years (West & Prince, Collison) and up-and-comers (Lillard, Aldridge, maybe Valanciunas).  It'll be tough to balance it so the core gels for a championship run before the wheels fall off the older guys.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 22, 2013, 05:12:02 PM
Ha, I'm sure this was for a commercial or something. But this is still pretty funny

(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/0%20MDE%20Dwight%20Howard%20aka%20Most%20Dominant%20Elbow%20Ver%202/-howardsweepingcopy.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 05:15:17 PM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)

This is hands down my favorite duo to come out of this draft.

The problem is, I just don't see one single difference maker at any of your other positions.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 05:21:00 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo


Thoughts?  Is this a contender?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 05:23:15 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo


Thoughts?  Is this a contender?

I think you need  another impact guy, preferably a vet big.

Why won't anyone do mine? >_<
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo


Thoughts?  Is this a contender?

I think you need  another impact guy, preferably a vet big.

Why won't anyone do mine? >_<

Parker/Johnson/Gasol are all impact guys.  Not sure why I need another one.  Not every player can be a star.

As for yours, I've talked with you at length about what I think of your team.  My opinion remains the same.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
Why won't anyone do mine? >_<

Very strange collection of players.  Not really sure what to think.

Not bad enough to be a rebuilding team, not nearly good enough to be a contender. Need a difference maker on the perimeter.

Possible 1st round playoff fodder is the ceiling I'd guess.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 22, 2013, 05:33:35 PM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)

This is hands down my favorite duo to come out of this draft.

The problem is, I just don't see one single difference maker at any of your other positions.

This 'difference maker' is going to be what drives me insane because I just don't think it's necessary. There's a specific skillset required to play around two elite post players, and you don't need a difference maker on the wing to get the most out of that player offensively. Think about Rudy Gay on the Grizzlies. Or think about how great of a team, despite not winning a championship, the Sacramento Kings were without a Rudy Gay type.

I've two elite 7 foot post players who are skilled passers, and are premier mid range scorers. You find the mistmatch in the front court and you pound away at it. If it doesn't work you kick out and swing the ball to the other side hoping to find either a 3 point shot along the way or to put it in the post on the other side.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 05:35:28 PM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)

This is hands down my favorite duo to come out of this draft.

The problem is, I just don't see one single difference maker at any of your other positions.

This 'difference maker' is going to be what drives me insane because I just don't think it's necessary. There's a specific skillset required to play around two elite post players, and you don't need a difference maker on the wing to get the most out of that player offensively. Think about Rudy Gay on the Grizzlies. Or think about how great of a team, despite not winning a championship, the Sacramento Kings were without a Rudy Gay type.

I've two elite 7 foot post players who are skilled passers, and are premier mid range scorers. You find the mistmatch in the front court and you pound away at it. If it doesn't work you kick out and swing the ball to the other side hoping to find either a 3 point shot along the way or to put it in the post on the other side.

I just see many chemistry issues. Duncan and Garnett want nothing to do with each other, and probably will refuse to play together. Sorry for you, but it just can not work ;D A team breakup in the first season is imminent. Rivals don't simply join up.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)

This is hands down my favorite duo to come out of this draft.

The problem is, I just don't see one single difference maker at any of your other positions.

This 'difference maker' is going to be what drives me insane because I just don't think it's necessary. There's a specific skillset required to play around two elite post players, and you don't need a difference maker on the wing to get the most out of that player offensively. Think about Rudy Gay on the Grizzlies. Or think about how great of a team, despite not winning a championship, the Sacramento Kings were without a Rudy Gay type.

I've two elite 7 foot post players who are skilled passers, and are premier mid range scorers. You find the mistmatch in the front court and you pound away at it. If it doesn't work you kick out and swing the ball to the other side hoping to find either a 3 point shot along the way or to put it in the post on the other side.

I just see many chemistry issues. Duncan and Garnett want nothing to do with each other, and probably will refuse to play together. Sorry for you, but it just can not work ;D A team breakup in the first season is imminent. Rivals don't simply join up.

That's just naive.  You don't think Duncan would have been thrilled if the Spurs picked up KG at the deadline?  Come on.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 22, 2013, 05:40:03 PM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)

This is hands down my favorite duo to come out of this draft.

The problem is, I just don't see one single difference maker at any of your other positions.

This 'difference maker' is going to be what drives me insane because I just don't think it's necessary. There's a specific skillset required to play around two elite post players, and you don't need a difference maker on the wing to get the most out of that player offensively. Think about Rudy Gay on the Grizzlies. Or think about how great of a team, despite not winning a championship, the Sacramento Kings were without a Rudy Gay type.

I've two elite 7 foot post players who are skilled passers, and are premier mid range scorers. You find the mistmatch in the front court and you pound away at it. If it doesn't work you kick out and swing the ball to the other side hoping to find either a 3 point shot along the way or to put it in the post on the other side.

I just see many chemistry issues. Duncan and Garnett want nothing to do with each other, and probably will refuse to play together. Sorry for you, but it just can not work ;D A team breakup in the first season is imminent. Rivals don't simply join up.

That's just naive.  You don't think Duncan would have been thrilled if the Spurs picked up KG at the deadline?  Come on.

I do know they strongly dislike one another, despite having respect. I can't picture them being good friends. Apart from their stats and careers, they're polar opposites!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 05:41:27 PM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

The lack of Wizards also disappoints me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 05:42:54 PM
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
Reggie Evans
J.J Hickson

Bench
Jamal Crawford
Al Farouq Aminu
Javale McGee

A really messed up team but the best rebounding team in the league ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 05:43:55 PM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

The lack of Wizards also disappoints me.

Sources: Memphis targeting Championship this season
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 22, 2013, 05:44:22 PM
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
Reggie Evans
J.J Hickson

Bench
Jamal Crawford
Al Farouq Aminu
Javale McGee

A really messed up team but the best rebounding team in the league ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

I like your backcourt, hate your front court
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 05:44:50 PM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)

This is hands down my favorite duo to come out of this draft.

The problem is, I just don't see one single difference maker at any of your other positions.

This 'difference maker' is going to be what drives me insane because I just don't think it's necessary. There's a specific skillset required to play around two elite post players, and you don't need a difference maker on the wing to get the most out of that player offensively. Think about Rudy Gay on the Grizzlies. Or think about how great of a team, despite not winning a championship, the Sacramento Kings were without a Rudy Gay type.

I've two elite 7 foot post players who are skilled passers, and are premier mid range scorers. You find the mistmatch in the front court and you pound away at it. If it doesn't work you kick out and swing the ball to the other side hoping to find either a 3 point shot along the way or to put it in the post on the other side.

I just see many chemistry issues. Duncan and Garnett want nothing to do with each other, and probably will refuse to play together. Sorry for you, but it just can not work ;D A team breakup in the first season is imminent. Rivals don't simply join up.

That's just naive.  You don't think Duncan would have been thrilled if the Spurs picked up KG at the deadline?  Come on.

I do know they strongly dislike one another, despite having respect. I can't picture them being good friends. Apart from their stats and careers, they're polar opposites!

They dislike each other because they challenge each other on the court and have played against each other a ton.  If they could suit up on the same team, they'd get over it.  Trust me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 22, 2013, 05:45:38 PM
I like how we match up vs. the Thunder. Haven't looked at the LA teams yet.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 05:46:49 PM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)

This is hands down my favorite duo to come out of this draft.

The problem is, I just don't see one single difference maker at any of your other positions.

This 'difference maker' is going to be what drives me insane because I just don't think it's necessary. There's a specific skillset required to play around two elite post players, and you don't need a difference maker on the wing to get the most out of that player offensively. Think about Rudy Gay on the Grizzlies. Or think about how great of a team, despite not winning a championship, the Sacramento Kings were without a Rudy Gay type.

I've two elite 7 foot post players who are skilled passers, and are premier mid range scorers. You find the mistmatch in the front court and you pound away at it. If it doesn't work you kick out and swing the ball to the other side hoping to find either a 3 point shot along the way or to put it in the post on the other side.

I just see many chemistry issues. Duncan and Garnett want nothing to do with each other, and probably will refuse to play together. Sorry for you, but it just can not work ;D A team breakup in the first season is imminent. Rivals don't simply join up.

That's just naive.  You don't think Duncan would have been thrilled if the Spurs picked up KG at the deadline?  Come on.

I do know they strongly dislike one another, despite having respect. I can't picture them being good friends. Apart from their stats and careers, they're polar opposites!

They dislike each other because they challenge each other on the court and have played against each other a ton.  If they could suit up on the same team, they'd get over it.  Trust me.

Who knows? Nobody, ever. Oh well ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 22, 2013, 05:47:29 PM
Blazers after 5th round:

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: David West
C:  LaMarcus Aldridge

PG/SG: Ramon Sessions
SG/SF: Kyle Singler
PF/C:  Nick Collison
C: Jonas Valanciunas

4 picks remaining, plenty of payroll space.

I really like your team in general. I think you could use a more talented wing player and I would prefer to play lamarcus at the PF spot. However that being said, West is a very tough banger who would work well with the finesse game of lamarcus
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 22, 2013, 05:50:23 PM
I would prefer an upgrade at my PF spot but the most recent #5 pick isn't too shabby.



(Yes I just critiqued my own team)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 22, 2013, 05:52:33 PM
Honestly, don't see any team beating the Lake show out West. Maybe a team in the East that could give the Lakers a run, but the Lakers are the West's best.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
I would prefer an upgrade at my PF spot but the most recent #5 pick isn't too shabby.



(Yes I just critiqued my own team)

A lot of nice complementary pieces with no real building block.  OJ Mayo looks like your go-to offensive guy, but I don't think he's good enough to make you a contender at any point.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 22, 2013, 05:56:08 PM
Honestly, don't see any team beating the Lake show out West. Maybe a team in the East that could give the Lakers a run, but the Lakers are the West's best.

Everything rides on Deron's ankles and Dwight's shoulder/back. Given 100% health, your team is tough, although I concede nothing.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 22, 2013, 05:58:47 PM
I would prefer an upgrade at my PF spot but the most recent #5 pick isn't too shabby.



(Yes I just critiqued my own team)

A lot of nice complementary pieces with no real building block.  OJ Mayo looks like your go-to offensive guy, but I don't think he's good enough to make you a contender at any point.

Yea my intention was to do a rebuild. In the real NBA I believe a lot of my young talent could be packaged and land a star. Plus loads of cap space but can't hurt although it doesn't really help in the Pick2 draft. Will likely choose to build a contender next time
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 06:04:38 PM
Honestly, don't see any team beating the Lake show out West. Maybe a team in the East that could give the Lakers a run, but the Lakers are the West's best.

Tons of pressure on Dwight to be the anchor on both sides of the ball.  Deron hasn't been the same since Sloan left Utah, and your 2-4 are average starters at best.

If Deron ever returns to superstar form, look out.  If he doesn't, you're probably a dark horse kinda team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 22, 2013, 06:09:21 PM
Honestly, don't see any team beating the Lake show out West. Maybe a team in the East that could give the Lakers a run, but the Lakers are the West's best.

I think youre probably overrating your team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 22, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 22, 2013, 06:12:21 PM
Honestly, don't see any team beating the Lake show out West. Maybe a team in the East that could give the Lakers a run, but the Lakers are the West's best.

I think youre probably overrating your team.


Dominant 2k team, not sure I buy them in the actual league.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 06:12:48 PM
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
Reggie Evans
J.J Hickson

Bench
Jamal Crawford
Al Farouq Aminu
Javale McGee

A really messed up team but the best rebounding team in the league ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

I like your backcourt, hate your front court

Well im glad you actually like something of my team as i hate it overall:)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 06:13:52 PM
My question about the Lakers is, without Kobe/Phil around, who keeps Metta World War in check?

Seriously, he could very easily implode the whole team.  It's possible he and Dwight have a fight to the death in practice.

I'll reserve my ultimate judgment until I see who Nick picks as coach for the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
My question about the Lakers is, without Kobe/Phil around, who keeps Metta World War in check?

Seriously, he could very easily implode the whole team.  It's possible he and Dwight have a fight to the death in practice.

I'll reserve my ultimate judgment until I see who Nick picks as coach for the Lakers.

Nah i think him and Dwight will team up to beat up the rest of the team
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 22, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
Honestly, don't see any team beating the Lake show out West. Maybe a team in the East that could give the Lakers a run, but the Lakers are the West's best.

I think youre probably overrating your team.

Sorry. Was distracted didn't mean to just say this to be a jerk.

It's a good team. But I'm not blown away by it.

Like I said before, personally, I thought Deron was borderline undraftable. Not sure what his issue is, and I'm sure if you were to ask him he'd give you plenty, but he's looked average.

Dwight's a great player, but I think he's a year away from showing what we had against the Celtics on a consistent basis. Just soooo banged up, he can't deliver w/ that level of physicality.

And then the rest of the team is nice. Reddick's a nice player. Kirilenko's a nice player. Artest is an average small forward. Just don't see this as a team that's head and shoulders above everybody. I've got OKC ahead of you, and I'm certain they'd beat you in a series (if rosters were frozen today)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 22, 2013, 06:32:24 PM
Also, Dallas is right up there with the Lakers too. No doubt about that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 22, 2013, 06:36:28 PM
Also, Dallas is right up there with the Lakers too. No doubt about that.

Need to see what Dallas does with its picks. Only two bigs on that roster, and one averages 25 minutes a night.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 22, 2013, 06:38:56 PM
Also, Dallas is right up there with the Lakers too. No doubt about that.

Need to see what Dallas does with its picks. Only two bigs on that roster, and one averages 25 minutes a night.

Very true. Seems to be a decent amount of talent left w/ bigs, not sure of their cap situation though
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 22, 2013, 07:01:36 PM
Memphis Grizzlies appear to be the dark horse candidate to come out of the West. Very solid roster up to now. ;D

Sources saying Grizzlies are considering one particular overseas player who was a former great.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 22, 2013, 07:07:58 PM
Also, Dallas is right up there with the Lakers too. No doubt about that.

Need to see what Dallas does with its picks. Only two bigs on that roster, and one averages 25 minutes a night.

Very true. Seems to be a decent amount of talent left w/ bigs, not sure of their cap situation though

About 10 million left. Think I should be okay.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 07:30:49 PM
Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
J.J. Hickson
Nikola Pekovic

Bench:
Jamal Crawford, Al Farouq Aminu, Reggie Evans
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 07:56:59 PM
Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
J.J. Hickson
Nikola Pekovic

Bench:
Jamal Crawford, Al Farouq Aminu, Reggie Evans

Pretty average team. 

I don't like Jennings as a #1 option.  Not crazy about the spacing here.  Marion is adequate at best as a shooter, and both Hickson and Pekovic want to play around the rim.  Not a very good fit for Jennings, who already takes more jumpers than he should.  Overall, an offense that will take a lot of shots that make you want to pull your hair out, but the combo of Marion, Evans, Hickson and Pekovic may pull in enough offensive rebounds to let you live with it.  You'll be elite on the glass. 

On defense, not so much.  Marion is a good defender and Jennings can be when he tries (which isn't often enough).  Aminu is a nice defender but makes little impact on offense.  The rest of your team is limited.  Kevin Martin is a poor defender, Hickson is a poor defender, Evans is poor.  Pekovic is quite good against post threats, but won't block shots for you and is slow when asked to move his feet on the perimeter. 

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 07:58:35 PM
Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
J.J. Hickson
Nikola Pekovic

Bench:
Jamal Crawford, Al Farouq Aminu, Reggie Evans

Pretty average team. 

I don't like Jennings as a #1 option.  Not crazy about the spacing here.  Marion is adequate at best as a shooter, and both Hickson and Pekovic want to play around the rim.  Not a very good fit for Jennings, who already takes more jumpers than he should.  Overall, an offense that will take a lot of shots that make you want to pull your hair out, but the combo of Marion, Evans, Hickson and Pekovic may pull in enough offensive rebounds to let you live with it.  You'll be elite on the glass. 

On defense, not so much.  Marion is a good defender and Jennings can be when he tries (which isn't often enough).  Aminu is a nice defender but makes little impact on offense.  The rest of your team is limited.  Kevin Martin is a poor defender, Hickson is a poor defender, Evans is poor.  Pekovic is quite good against post threats, but won't block shots for you and is slow when asked to move his feet on the perimeter.

Great analysis. TP. I dont mind being an average team though :D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 22, 2013, 08:06:07 PM
The new-look Bucks!!!

PG: R.Westbrook
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: J.McGee/I.Mahinmi

A couple of things I'm going to try to do:
- Flip McGee and considerations for a sturdy defensive center.
- Draft a serviceable backup ball handler at the 1 or 2
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 08:24:57 PM
The new-look Bucks!!!

PG: R.Westbrook
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: J.McGee/I.Mahinmi

A couple of things I'm going to try to do:
- Flip McGee and considerations for a sturdy defensive center.
- Draft a serviceable backup ball handler at the 1 or 2

Gotta say, this is the one squad this draft that has improved by qutie a bit from where it originally started,  almost entirely through trades.

Good job AB
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 08:26:50 PM
The new-look Bucks!!!

PG: R.Westbrook
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: J.McGee/I.Mahinmi

A couple of things I'm going to try to do:
- Flip McGee and considerations for a sturdy defensive center.
- Draft a serviceable backup ball handler at the 1 or 2

Lee is a rock solid offensive player.  Matthews is nice, but maybe being an effective third option is a bit too much to ask of him.  Westbrook is shot-happy but pretty effective despite this.  Ariza, on the other hand, is a liability on offense, and nobody ever knows what McGee will do.

Potentially some nice perimeter defense, but weak in the paint (you already know this).  Ariza and Matthews are both good defenders, as is Westbrook when he wants to be.  Lee is good in the post but lacks length, doesn't block shots and struggles to move his feet on the perimeter.  Again, nobody ever knows what McGee will do.

Bench worries me.  Mahinmi and Webster are decent, but neither are good enough to anchor a second unit, and pickings are slim at this point in the draft. 

I don't see you as a contender unless you pull off a miracle by landing an above average center while simultaneously building a solid bench.  I see it as a 5-8 seed playoff team currently.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 08:28:01 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green 
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Opinions?  Obviously the next target is a guard.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 08:29:20 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green 
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Opinions?  Obviously the next target is a guard.

Nice team lol im sorry i cant do professional analysis like you
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 22, 2013, 08:32:52 PM
Matthews is nice, but maybe being an effective third option is a bit too much to ask of him.

I would say Matthews is currently the third offensive option behind Lillard and Aldridge in Portland.

Ariza, on the other hand, is a liability on offense, and nobody ever knows what McGee will do.

Agreed about Ariza, but he's a defensive rock. He and Webster can be interchanged depending on the situation... offense vs. defense. And yes agreed about McGee. Hoping to get a tough-as-nails coach tomorrow to keep him in line if nobody needs him.

Bench worries me.  Mahinmi and Webster are decent, but neither are good enough to anchor a second unit, and pickings are slim at this point in the draft.

I'm happy with Mahinmi and Webster, but I agree I need more of a floor general off the bench, and I intend to get one.

I don't see you as a contender unless you pull off a miracle by landing an above average center while simultaneously building a solid bench.

I'm going to go for a defense-first center, even if his value is a little less than that of McGee. I think that will round out the starters nicely.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 22, 2013, 08:37:05 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green 
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Opinions?  Obviously the next target is a guard.

I'm very impressed with the Monta-Johnson trade. Even though you added a bunch of salary, you got rid of a pretty polarizing player. And you got more out of it than I did ;)

I like your balance of vets and youth in the starting lineup. Very hard to prepare for. However I question Thompson's defensive abilities.

I think your more specific next target should be a sharpshooting guard; someone who shoots around 40% from three.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 22, 2013, 08:38:56 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green 
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Opinions?  Obviously the next target is a guard.

I'm very impressed with the Monta-Johnson trade. Even though you added a bunch of salary, you got rid of a pretty polarizing player. And you got more out of it than I did ;)

I like your balance of vets and youth in the starting lineup. Very hard to prepare for. However I question Thompson's defensive abilities.

I think your more specific next target should be a sharpshooting guard; someone who shoots around 40% from three.

Green shoots 42% i think
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 22, 2013, 08:42:07 PM
Tony Parker
Danny Green 
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Opinions?  Obviously the next target is a guard.

I'm very impressed with the Monta-Johnson trade. Even though you added a bunch of salary, you got rid of a pretty polarizing player. And you got more out of it than I did ;)

The reason for this is simple.  Johnson was aquired for Monta in a salary dump.  The guy who had Jonhson orginally was over his cap and was foced to deal someone.  Hard to get "full" value under those circumstances.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 22, 2013, 08:46:08 PM
Matthews is nice, but maybe being an effective third option is a bit too much to ask of him.

I would say Matthews is currently the third offensive option behind Lillard and Aldridge in Portland.

Nicolas Batum.  Also, Portland is 25-29 and on the outside looking in at the playoffs.  You're hoping to contend, so different standards apply.

Tony Parker
Danny Green 
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Opinions?  Obviously the next target is a guard.

I'm very impressed with the Monta-Johnson trade. Even though you added a bunch of salary, you got rid of a pretty polarizing player. And you got more out of it than I did ;)

I like your balance of vets and youth in the starting lineup. Very hard to prepare for. However I question Thompson's defensive abilities.

I think your more specific next target should be a sharpshooting guard; someone who shoots around 40% from three.

A bit difficult to evaluate Thompson's defense, because the Cavs in general are lost on that end of the court.  He does have the physical tools to be very good, with a lot of versatility. 

I agree with what you think I should target next.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 22, 2013, 09:06:20 PM
The new-look Bucks!!!

PG: R.Westbrook
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: J.McGee/I.Mahinmi

A couple of things I'm going to try to do:
- Flip McGee and considerations for a sturdy defensive center.
- Draft a serviceable backup ball handler at the 1 or 2

Gotta say, this is the one squad this draft that has improved by qutie a bit from where it originally started,  almost entirely through trades.

Good job AB

Hear, hear.

I agree with your assessments. A steady but unspectacular hand at C would help solidify the frontcourt rotation. A guy who's happy playing D and getting rebounds.

I think Wes is fine as a 3rd option on offense. Good D on the wings. I'm not Webster's biggest fan.

If you have any payroll space, perhaps you could entice a cash-strapped team into taking on a package of Webster and McGee for a C you're happier with.

Nice work.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 23, 2013, 12:06:32 AM
30 pts, 9 asts, 6 boards for Isaiah Thomas, 20 pts, 12 boards for Ryan Anderson, efficient production out of Stephenson and Smith.

It's jus science. Nothin' but science.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 23, 2013, 12:26:02 AM
Gloat all you want IP, just realize all you're doing is giving CC more reason to gloat over Jeff Green.

Can't wait to hear about that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 23, 2013, 12:35:54 AM
Gloat all you want IP, just realize all you're doing is giving CC more reason to gloat over Jeff Green.

Can't wait to hear about that.

He's gonna have a point. Green played like a champ tonight. Can't throw shade on that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 23, 2013, 06:28:01 AM
SUNS Pick 2: 6.21 7.1 8.1 9.1 10.1
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) John Hensen(1.8)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 49.13 Total: 70.3!

Thoughts?

Better than the real suns fo show!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 23, 2013, 08:03:57 AM
SUNS Pick 2: 6.21 7.1 8.1 9.1 10.1
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) John Hensen(1.8)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)
Cap used: 49.13 Total: 70.3!

Thoughts?

Better than the real suns fo show!

John Henson making $1 and cool sunglasses? That's a deal.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on February 23, 2013, 08:09:28 AM
I miss this game this year...some REALLY nice teams are coming together so far.

The salary addition is a nice twist to the game.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 23, 2013, 09:40:11 AM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)

This is hands down my favorite duo to come out of this draft.

The problem is, I just don't see one single difference maker at any of your other positions.

Agreed. Just a dirty duo for bigs, possibly best of all teams. But you are right, after that a HUGE drop off. Still like them though
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 23, 2013, 09:40:55 AM
Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million)

PG: Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
____________________
SF: Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
____________________
____________________

$20,626,954 in cap space for:
7.15, 8.11, 8.15, 9.15, 9.19, 11.15

Why are guards so cheap? >_> I'd appreciate if someone gave me some advice :D TPs!

Who takes the last shot?  :-\
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 23, 2013, 09:44:09 AM
I like how we match up vs. the Thunder. Haven't looked at the LA teams yet.

OKC will walk all over you at every position, except maybe center. Maybe

Time to see how far LA brings a team
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 23, 2013, 09:45:45 AM
Honestly, don't see any team beating the Lake show out West. Maybe a team in the East that could give the Lakers a run, but the Lakers are the West's best.

(http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/3/4/6/5/8/2/1/Lol-94249156205.jpeg)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 23, 2013, 09:47:29 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 23, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
The new-look Bucks!!!

PG: R.Westbrook
SG: W.Matthews
SF: T.Ariza/M.Webster
PF: D.Lee
C: J.McGee/I.Mahinmi

A couple of things I'm going to try to do:
- Flip McGee and considerations for a sturdy defensive center.
- Draft a serviceable backup ball handler at the 1 or 2

Who do think you can get for McGee for better or equal value? (unless you move other pieces). Still a couple PG's for bench roles still available, that'd what I'd look for too with your next pick
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 23, 2013, 10:00:47 AM
Tony Parker
Danny Green 
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Opinions?  Obviously the next target is a guard.

Nice team lol im sorry i cant do professional analysis like you

Love Parker, have him in fantasy this year (beast mode). I have Pau too but a fresh start might fit him better here as the 2nd 3rd option.

Why I don't like your team? Joe Johnson. You traded Monta for him (I think) but barely an upgrade. Good luck with iso Joe
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 23, 2013, 10:35:36 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Iman Shumpert, Marcus Thornton
3. Corey Brewer, Kyle Korver
4. Blake Griffin
5. Larry Sanders

What do you think of my team?
What do you think I should target with future picks?
Of my four wing players who do you think should start?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 23, 2013, 10:37:34 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Iman Shumpert, Marcus Thornton
3. Corey Brewer, Kyle Korver
4. Blake Griffin
5. Larry Sanders

What do you think of my team?
What do you think I should target with future picks?
Of my four wing players who do you think should start?


Start Korver and spread the floor.  (the real Clippers issue)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 23, 2013, 10:37:40 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Iman Shumpert, Marcus Thornton
3. Corey Brewer, Kyle Korver
4. Blake Griffin
5. Larry Sanders

What do you think of my team?
What do you think I should target with future picks?
Of my four wing players who do you think should start?

Not sold on the SF and C spots. I do like the back court group a lot.

Target a big

Your starters are fine. Korver and Thorton are nice snipers off the bench
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 10:43:32 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Iman Shumpert, Marcus Thornton
3. Corey Brewer, Kyle Korver
4. Blake Griffin
5. Larry Sanders

What do you think of my team?
What do you think I should target with future picks?
Of my four wing players who do you think should start?

Backup point guard and backup center would be my main priorities.

I think it is important to have a good backup PG for C.Paul. Someone who can create. Someone who can create shots for the likes of Korver, Shumpert and C.Brewer. And you want somebody who can play enough minutes to limit the wear and tear on CP3.

Backup center would be my next priority. Larry Sanders is a lightweight post defender. He gets pushed around too easily. Someone who can counteract that would be ideal. Someone with legitimate bulk. A physical player.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 23, 2013, 10:44:19 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 10:51:40 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Iman Shumpert, Marcus Thornton
3. Corey Brewer, Kyle Korver
4. Blake Griffin
5. Larry Sanders

What do you think of my team?
What do you think I should target with future picks?
Of my four wing players who do you think should start?

Either (1) Shumpert and Korver, or, (2) Thornton and C.Brewer.

I think either combination works well. A shooter and a defender. I am not sure which one works better. But I would avoid two non-shooters or two non-defenders. One shooter and one defender.

Maybe Shumpert and Korver. They call their own number less often. Give more room for CP3 and B.Griffin to do their own thing. Give your bench a quality scorer in M.Thornton. Yeah, that seems right to me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 23, 2013, 10:52:56 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Maybe in the future you are a title contender, but I can't see how you compete this year without a healthy Kevin Love.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 23, 2013, 10:54:45 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Iman Shumpert, Marcus Thornton
3. Corey Brewer, Kyle Korver
4. Blake Griffin
5. Larry Sanders

What do you think of my team?
What do you think I should target with future picks?
Of my four wing players who do you think should start?

Either (1) Shumpert and Korver, or, (2) Thornton and C.Brewer.

I think either combination works well. A shooter and a defender. I am not sure which one works better. But I would avoid two non-shooters or two non-defenders. One shooter and one defender.

Maybe Shumpert and Korver. They call their own number less often. Give more room for CP3 and B.Griffin to do their own thing. Give your bench a quality scorer in M.Thornton. Yeah, that seems right to me.
Brewer can play some two as well, so I could also start Brewer and Korver. I think I will go with Shumpert and Korver though.

Any suggestions for future picks? Or trades I should look into?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 23, 2013, 10:56:59 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Maybe in the future you are a title contender, but I can't see how you compete this year without a healthy Kevin Love.

Of course, though when love comes back, I'm not sure anybody could beat my team if I could manage to snag the 8 seed
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 23, 2013, 10:59:44 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Maybe in the future you are a title contender, but I can't see how you compete this year without a healthy Kevin Love.

Of course, though when love comes back, I'm not sure anybody could beat my team if I could manage to snag the 8 seed
Is he coming back this year?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 23, 2013, 11:00:27 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Maybe in the future you are a title contender, but I can't see how you compete this year without a healthy Kevin Love.

Of course, though when love comes back, I'm not sure anybody could beat my team if I could manage to snag the 8 seed

Really need to snag a shooter
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 23, 2013, 11:01:05 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Maybe in the future you are a title contender, but I can't see how you compete this year without a healthy Kevin Love.

Of course, though when love comes back, I'm not sure anybody could beat my team if I could manage to snag the 8 seed
Is he coming back this year?

Ya he is already practicing again, just a broken hand
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 23, 2013, 11:01:54 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Maybe in the future you are a title contender, but I can't see how you compete this year without a healthy Kevin Love.

Of course, though when love comes back, I'm not sure anybody could beat my team if I could manage to snag the 8 seed

Really need to snag a shooter

You think so?   Horford, love, and Calderon are all very good shooters for their positions. 

For what it's worth, in loves last two seasons he shot 41% and 37% from three on at least 3 attempts per game
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 11:06:34 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Maybe in the future you are a title contender, but I can't see how you compete this year without a healthy Kevin Love.

Of course, though when love comes back, I'm not sure anybody could beat my team if I could manage to snag the 8 seed

Really need to snag a shooter

You think so?   Horford, love, and Calderon are all very good shooters for their positions. 

For what it's worth, in loves last two seasons he shot 41% and 37% from three on at least 3 attempts per game

Yeah, I think you have loads of jump-shooting.

I would be more concerned with getting a different type of PG behind Calderon. Preferably a dribble drive type player. Someone who will be more aggressive as an attacker rather than a facilitator. Someone who will get into the middle and kick it out to those great jump-shooting big men and Danny Granger. More dribble penetration.

I need the same thing on my team behind Jarrett Jack.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 23, 2013, 11:07:06 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Maybe in the future you are a title contender, but I can't see how you compete this year without a healthy Kevin Love.

Of course, though when love comes back, I'm not sure anybody could beat my team if I could manage to snag the 8 seed

Really need to snag a shooter

You think so?   Horford, love, and Calderon are all very good shooters for their positions. 

For what it's worth, in loves last two seasons he shot 41% and 37% from three on at least 3 attempts per game

Yea actually never mind, I have no idea what I'm talking about lol. Looking at the numbers I had no idea Granger and Calderon were good shooters.

In that case, I think Who is right. An athletic point guard who can drive and kick would be perfect on that team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 23, 2013, 11:10:41 AM
So as long as I'm here, how do you guys see the respective conferences shaking out?  This is off the top of my head so I may be omitting somebody, but I see the conference final caliber-teams like this (in no particular order):

East:
KNICKS
Nets
Heat

West:
Thunder
Lakers
Clippers

Gun to my head, I say conference finalists are Knicks vs Nets in the East, and Thunder vs Clippers in the West.  Lakers and Heat are right there with them, though.

The hawks think your a hater

I'm just not sold on Love and Granger; Granger for the injury recovery, and Love for the injuries and because he's never been able to show he can contribute effectively to a winning team.  Calderon's defense at PG is also a weak spot.

If both Granger and Love can come back healthy you could have a very good squad next year, but I don't see it right now.

Im glad someone else pointed this out. I kept seeing it in his sig but never commented.

Strong on paper but not so much on the court

I can understand why you might say that if you are unfamiliar with granger, love, horford, and lopez
Maybe in the future you are a title contender, but I can't see how you compete this year without a healthy Kevin Love.

Of course, though when love comes back, I'm not sure anybody could beat my team if I could manage to snag the 8 seed

Really need to snag a shooter

You think so?   Horford, love, and Calderon are all very good shooters for their positions. 

For what it's worth, in loves last two seasons he shot 41% and 37% from three on at least 3 attempts per game

Yea I actually think a healthy Love is your best shooter. I would personally rather have Brewer off the bench as a defensive specialist

I like brewer as a starter being able to defend the oppositions best guard.  I don't honk I need any more scoring in the starting lineup so I thnk it works well.  But I do agree with who that with all my jump shooting a slashing pg that will attack the rim could be useful.  Love and horford will be able to draw big men out of the paint leaving the rim unprotected


In general I don't think there is a defensive front court in this league that can matchup up against the size and skill combination that horford and love have. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 11:13:11 AM
1. Chris Paul
2. Iman Shumpert, Marcus Thornton
3. Corey Brewer, Kyle Korver
4. Blake Griffin
5. Larry Sanders

What do you think of my team?
What do you think I should target with future picks?
Of my four wing players who do you think should start?

Either (1) Shumpert and Korver, or, (2) Thornton and C.Brewer.

I think either combination works well. A shooter and a defender. I am not sure which one works better. But I would avoid two non-shooters or two non-defenders. One shooter and one defender.

Maybe Shumpert and Korver. They call their own number less often. Give more room for CP3 and B.Griffin to do their own thing. Give your bench a quality scorer in M.Thornton. Yeah, that seems right to me.
Brewer can play some two as well, so I could also start Brewer and Korver. I think I will go with Shumpert and Korver though.

Any suggestions for future picks? Or trades I should look into?

Yes, I wrote in a post just above. A backup PG for CP3 and a burly physical center behind Larry Sanders. Those would be my next two priorities in the draft.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62964.msg1417037#msg1417037

Corey Brewer would definitely work as a two guard too. I actually prefer him at the two than the three. Your backup wings would be quite small with M.Thornton (SG) and Shumpert (SF) though. I don't really like either of those players at the three. That would be my concern with starting C.Brewer and Korver starting together.

I think balance wise it would be marginally better the other way but there isn't much difference in it whichever way you decide to go.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 11:19:45 AM
Why I don't like your team? Joe Johnson. You traded Monta for him (I think) but barely an upgrade. Good luck with iso Joe
I feel bad for Joe Johnson. His reputation has took such a beating these last few years.

Very close to pariah territory.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 23, 2013, 11:22:19 AM
Why I don't like your team? Joe Johnson. You traded Monta for him (I think) but barely an upgrade. Good luck with iso Joe
I feel bad for Joe Johnson. His reputation has took such a beating these last few years.

Very close to pariah territory.

I think it's his contract. If he was making 10-12mill there wouldn't be near as much hate
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 11:27:23 AM
In general I don't think there is a defensive front court in this league that can matchup up against the size and skill combination that horford and love have.
Kevin Love + Al Horford = best big man duo in the league?

I think they probably are.

Duncan and Garnett in Boston look to be their main rival to my eyes. Maybe Kirilenko and D.Howard too. I am still a little shaken by Dwight's downturn in performance level this year though. I love AK-47 as a four. 

Honourable mention -- David West and LaMarcus Aldridge in Portland + Tyson Chandler and Paul Millsap in New York. A.Bynum and R.Anderson might be able to crash this group if A.Bynum can prove his health.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 23, 2013, 11:51:44 AM
I just don't think Love can ever get healthy. Major injuries the last 2 years and minor ailments stopping him from ever having a truly healthy season. Reminds me of Andrew Bogut.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 23, 2013, 11:56:24 AM
I just don't think Love can ever get healthy. Major injuries the last 2 years and minor ailments stopping him from ever having a truly healthy season. Reminds me of Andrew Bogut.

Interesting. I've never thought of him as a Mr. Glass type despite the injuries, but you make a good point.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 23, 2013, 11:57:07 AM
I got these guys

(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs42/i/2009/082/5/b/Garnett_VS_Duncan_by_kwangki.jpg)

This is hands down my favorite duo to come out of this draft.

The problem is, I just don't see one single difference maker at any of your other positions.

Agreed. Just a dirty duo for bigs, possibly best of all teams. But you are right, after that a HUGE drop off. Still like them though

Read a book!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 23, 2013, 11:57:39 AM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, DeMar DeRozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Obviously I need to add some bigs on the bench, but I have a few guys that I think will be available when I pick. So far, I like my team. Think we're being underrated by all the other teams on here with big flashy names. Think my squad can hang around with any team in the league. We're pretty similar to the Mavs team that won he championship a few years ago.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 23, 2013, 12:00:36 PM
I just don't think Love can ever get healthy. Major injuries the last 2 years and minor ailments stopping him from ever having a truly healthy season. Reminds me of Andrew Bogut Bynum.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 12:01:54 PM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, DeMar DeRozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Obviously I need to add some bigs on the bench, but I have a few guys that I think will be available when I pick. So far, I like my team. Think we're being underrated by all the other teams on here with big flashy names. Think my squad can hang around with any team in the league. We're pretty similar to the Mavs team that won he championship a few years ago.

Why are you starting Alonzo Gee over DeRozan?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 23, 2013, 12:03:06 PM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, DeMar DeRozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Obviously I need to add some bigs on the bench, but I have a few guys that I think will be available when I pick. So far, I like my team. Think we're being underrated by all the other teams on here with big flashy names. Think my squad can hang around with any team in the league. We're pretty similar to the Mavs team that won he championship a few years ago.

Why are you starting Alonzo Gee over DeRozan?

I like the idea of having Derozan as my sixth man. Think he will really give me a spark off the bench.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 23, 2013, 12:05:48 PM
I just don't think Love can ever get healthy. Major injuries the last 2 years and minor ailments stopping him from ever having a truly healthy season. Reminds me of Andrew Bogut Bynum.

No, Bynum is going to get healthy, he's on my team. All the other question marks are beyond saving.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 23, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
Also think Gee would fit in better with the 1st unit. Him and Rubio will be the best defensive backcourt in the league and he will give us more spacing with his perimeter shooting.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 23, 2013, 12:15:32 PM
I just don't think Love can ever get healthy. Major injuries the last 2 years and minor ailments stopping him from ever having a truly healthy season. Reminds me of Andrew Bogut Bynum.

No, Bynum is going to get healthy, he's on my team. All the other question marks are beyond saving.

To be fair to Roy, IP, your 'word' with injured players is a kiss of death. Amare, Bogut, now Bynum. Leve our injured bigs alone!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 12:16:10 PM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, DeMar DeRozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan

Obviously I need to add some bigs on the bench, but I have a few guys that I think will be available when I pick. So far, I like my team. Think we're being underrated by all the other teams on here with big flashy names. Think my squad can hang around with any team in the league. We're pretty similar to the Mavs team that won he championship a few years ago.

Why are you starting Alonzo Gee over DeRozan?

I like the idea of having Derozan as my sixth man. Think he will really give me a spark off the bench.

I am not sure what to think of A.Gee as a starting two guard.

I think A.Gee is really good as a backup SF. I don't like him as a starting SF. I think his defense and rebounding gets exploited there and he is less effective as a scorer than against second string guys.

I am not sure I buy him as a starting SG. If he is skilled enough offensively or makes enough impact defensively to be worthwhile putting there ... over playing A.Gee at a position (backup SF) where he is quite effective. 

I wonder if you are over-thinking it a bit by putting DeRozan on the bench.

If your team is not best off playing your 5 best guys in the same unit as much as possible rather than trying to turn one of them into a sixth man. If you really need to have an impact scorer off the bench. Or if your team's balance offensively to open the game is really any better with only two scorers there. I am not sure I see the upside to it.

I think that would be a very dominant five man unit with DeRozan in there. One of the best in the league. I think the more time they get together as a unit, the better off your team will be. I would keep them together as much as possible.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 12:21:27 PM
Also think Gee would fit in better with the 1st unit. Him and Rubio will be the best defensive backcourt in the league and he will give us more spacing with his perimeter shooting.
Maybe I am under-rating A.Gee defensively.

I haven't see him play (defensively) against many SGs. Only really SFs.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 23, 2013, 12:30:01 PM
Dwight Howard starting to look like the beast we all know he is. After decimating the Celtics he went 19/16 with a couple huge blocks at the end of the game last night.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 23, 2013, 12:34:05 PM
Also think Gee would fit in better with the 1st unit. Him and Rubio will be the best defensive backcourt in the league and he will give us more spacing with his perimeter shooting.
Maybe I am under-rating A.Gee defensively.

I haven't see him play (defensively) against many SGs. Only really SFs.

I've watched a few Cavs game. He can defend 1-3. His defensive skills are impressive enough for me to insert him in the starting line up. Byron Scott even puts him up against the opposing team point guards on some occasions and he does very well.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 23, 2013, 12:38:01 PM
Also think Gee would fit in better with the 1st unit. Him and Rubio will be the best defensive backcourt in the league and he will give us more spacing with his perimeter shooting.
Maybe I am under-rating A.Gee defensively.

I haven't see him play (defensively) against many SGs. Only really SFs.

I've watched a few Cavs game. He can defend 1-3. His defensive skills are impressive enough for me to insert him in the starting line up. Byron Scott even puts him up against the opposing team point guards on some occasions and he does very well.
I was just reading some articles on that. I will have to watch A.Gee some more. I mustn't have a good read on him yet.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 23, 2013, 03:22:37 PM
Team after all star break:

J.J Hickson averaging 23.5 PPG and 13.5 RPG shooting over .700FG%
Al Farouq Aminu averaging 5.5 PPG 10 RPG 2 Stls 2 Blks
Brandon Jennings averaging 32.5 PPG 9 APG 4 RPG
Jamal Crawford averaging 15 PPG 6 APG
Shawn Marion averaging 13.5 PPG 5.5 RPG 3 APG 2.5 Blks
Kevin Martin averaging 17 PPG .500 FG%
Nikola Pekovic averaging 16 PPG 9 RPG
Reggie Evans 2 PPG 9 RPG 21 MPG


My team is no way near being a contender just saw this as something fun to do, you guys can put your players stats after all star break
 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 23, 2013, 03:29:18 PM
So how's the new look Wolves? Have the very next pick in the draft to add some depth
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 23, 2013, 03:30:23 PM
So how's the new look Wolves? Have the very next pick in the draft to add some depth

What's your plan rebuild or compete?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 23, 2013, 03:39:43 PM
So how's the new look Wolves? Have the very next pick in the draft to add some depth

Strange mismatch of a young core that isn't good enough to contend and a few old vets who probably don't want to be part of a rebuilding process. 

In a vacuum you got decent value for Batum and Bass, but in reality neither of the pieces you got are good fits for your team.  With Teague, Mayo and Vucevic, you should go young.  Batum fits that.  Prince and West don't.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 23, 2013, 03:41:24 PM
Will Pop put my team up to a middle-seed? (4-5)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 23, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
Chicago will you your teams down. Wings are covered, the interior is covered, rebounding won't be a problem.

And this team has a Mo-Ped so you won't be able to catch up on us either.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 23, 2013, 03:48:24 PM
So how's the new look Wolves? Have the very next pick in the draft to add some depth

Strange mismatch of a young core that isn't good enough to contend and a few old vets who probably don't want to be part of a rebuilding process. 

In a vacuum you got decent value for Batum and Bass, but in reality neither of the pieces you got are good fits for your team.  With Teague, Mayo and Vucevic, you should go young.  Batum fits that.  Prince and West don't.

Well I had two issues. First, the average age of my team was about 22 and I had zero veterans to help stabilize the team. Secondly, I was over 25mill below the cap floor and really needed to add some salary and I didn't wanna just draft some high paid scrubs to do so.

So I think I did a good job of adding solid vets to develop my younger guys and increase my payroll in a meaningful way.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 23, 2013, 03:49:48 PM
So how's the new look Wolves? Have the very next pick in the draft to add some depth

Strange mismatch of a young core that isn't good enough to contend and a few old vets who probably don't want to be part of a rebuilding process. 

In a vacuum you got decent value for Batum and Bass, but in reality neither of the pieces you got are good fits for your team.  With Teague, Mayo and Vucevic, you should go young.  Batum fits that.  Prince and West don't.

Well I had two issues. First, the average age of my team was about 22 and I had zero veterans to help stabilize the team. Secondly, I was over 25mill below the cap floor and really needed to add some salary and I didn't wanna just draft some high paid scrubs to do so.

So I think I did a good job of adding solid vets to develop my younger guys and increase my payroll in a meaningful way.

But it cost you Batum, who was arguably the best young piece on your roster.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 23, 2013, 03:52:18 PM
Will Pop put my team up to a middle-seed? (4-5)

If you get good amount of depth
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 23, 2013, 04:02:38 PM
So how's the new look Wolves? Have the very next pick in the draft to add some depth

Strange mismatch of a young core that isn't good enough to contend and a few old vets who probably don't want to be part of a rebuilding process. 

In a vacuum you got decent value for Batum and Bass, but in reality neither of the pieces you got are good fits for your team.  With Teague, Mayo and Vucevic, you should go young.  Batum fits that.  Prince and West don't.

Well I had two issues. First, the average age of my team was about 22 and I had zero veterans to help stabilize the team. Secondly, I was over 25mill below the cap floor and really needed to add some salary and I didn't wanna just draft some high paid scrubs to do so.

So I think I did a good job of adding solid vets to develop my younger guys and increase my payroll in a meaningful way.

But it cost you Batum, who was arguably the best young piece on your roster.

You could argue that but Vucevic is 21, Mayo is 24, Teague is 24, T-Rob is 21, and Kemba is 21. I'm big fans of all them
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 23, 2013, 04:14:03 PM
Lol...this entire time I;ve been reading 'Vucevic' as 'Pekovic'.

I think going young makes the most sense for you hombre. I know you want the vet leadership, but I don't know if you're playoff material right now.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 23, 2013, 04:16:13 PM
So how's the new look Wolves? Have the very next pick in the draft to add some depth

Strange mismatch of a young core that isn't good enough to contend and a few old vets who probably don't want to be part of a rebuilding process. 

In a vacuum you got decent value for Batum and Bass, but in reality neither of the pieces you got are good fits for your team.  With Teague, Mayo and Vucevic, you should go young.  Batum fits that.  Prince and West don't.

Well I had two issues. First, the average age of my team was about 22 and I had zero veterans to help stabilize the team. Secondly, I was over 25mill below the cap floor and really needed to add some salary and I didn't wanna just draft some high paid scrubs to do so.

So I think I did a good job of adding solid vets to develop my younger guys and increase my payroll in a meaningful way.

But it cost you Batum, who was arguably the best young piece on your roster.

You could argue that but Vucevic is 21, Mayo is 24, Teague is 24, T-Rob is 21, and Kemba is 21. I'm big fans of all them

Your team reminds me of this years Magic except better
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 23, 2013, 04:17:46 PM
Will Pop put my team up to a middle-seed? (4-5)

Pop is a great coach, but a magician he is not.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 23, 2013, 04:18:14 PM
Lol...this entire time I;ve been reading 'Vucevic' as 'Pekovic'.

I think going young makes the most sense for you hombre. I know you want the vet leadership, but I don't know if you're playoff material right now.

I'm certainly not a "contender" but I think this team has plenty of talent to make the playoffs
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 23, 2013, 04:21:39 PM
So how's the new look Wolves? Have the very next pick in the draft to add some depth

Strange mismatch of a young core that isn't good enough to contend and a few old vets who probably don't want to be part of a rebuilding process. 

In a vacuum you got decent value for Batum and Bass, but in reality neither of the pieces you got are good fits for your team.  With Teague, Mayo and Vucevic, you should go young.  Batum fits that.  Prince and West don't.

Well I had two issues. First, the average age of my team was about 22 and I had zero veterans to help stabilize the team. Secondly, I was over 25mill below the cap floor and really needed to add some salary and I didn't wanna just draft some high paid scrubs to do so.

So I think I did a good job of adding solid vets to develop my younger guys and increase my payroll in a meaningful way.

But it cost you Batum, who was arguably the best young piece on your roster.

You could argue that but Vucevic is 21, Mayo is 24, Teague is 24, T-Rob is 21, and Kemba is 21. I'm big fans of all them

Your team reminds me of this years Magic except better

Lol this team has wayyy more talent then Orlando
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 23, 2013, 04:24:32 PM
Lol...this entire time I;ve been reading 'Vucevic' as 'Pekovic'.

I think going young makes the most sense for you hombre. I know you want the vet leadership, but I don't know if you're playoff material right now.

I'm certainly not a "contender" but I think this team has plenty of talent to make the playoffs

It depends on how good your conference is as i'd picture your team around .500
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 23, 2013, 04:25:40 PM
So how's the new look Wolves? Have the very next pick in the draft to add some depth

Strange mismatch of a young core that isn't good enough to contend and a few old vets who probably don't want to be part of a rebuilding process. 

In a vacuum you got decent value for Batum and Bass, but in reality neither of the pieces you got are good fits for your team.  With Teague, Mayo and Vucevic, you should go young.  Batum fits that.  Prince and West don't.

Well I had two issues. First, the average age of my team was about 22 and I had zero veterans to help stabilize the team. Secondly, I was over 25mill below the cap floor and really needed to add some salary and I didn't wanna just draft some high paid scrubs to do so.

So I think I did a good job of adding solid vets to develop my younger guys and increase my payroll in a meaningful way.

But it cost you Batum, who was arguably the best young piece on your roster.

You could argue that but Vucevic is 21, Mayo is 24, Teague is 24, T-Rob is 21, and Kemba is 21. I'm big fans of all them

Your team reminds me of this years Magic except better

Lol this team has wayyy more talent then Orlando

I meant that its a bunch of young players and a couple of vets
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 23, 2013, 04:28:32 PM
Lol...this entire time I;ve been reading 'Vucevic' as 'Pekovic'.

I think going young makes the most sense for you hombre. I know you want the vet leadership, but I don't know if you're playoff material right now.

I'm certainly not a "contender" but I think this team has plenty of talent to make the playoffs

My biggest problem is that you don't have a high impact player. You've got good players, but I'm not really sure you've got the mix or the top-talent you'd need going forward. Maybe as a late-seed playoff team ala Nuggets.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 23, 2013, 04:32:34 PM
Lol...this entire time I;ve been reading 'Vucevic' as 'Pekovic'.

I think going young makes the most sense for you hombre. I know you want the vet leadership, but I don't know if you're playoff material right now.

I'm certainly not a "contender" but I think this team has plenty of talent to make the playoffs

My biggest problem is that you don't have a high impact player. You've got good players, but I'm not really sure you've got the mix or the top-talent you'd need going forward. Maybe as a late-seed playoff team ala Nuggets.

I think the Nuggets is a very fair comparison. I know a lot of people don't believe in Mayo on this board but I'm a big fan. I don't think he will become a superstar but I have no problem with him as my go-to scorer
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 23, 2013, 04:38:13 PM
In general I don't think there is a defensive front court in this league that can matchup up against the size and skill combination that horford and love have.
Kevin Love + Al Horford = best big man duo in the league?

I think they probably are.

Duncan and Garnett in Boston look to be their main rival to my eyes. Maybe Kirilenko and D.Howard too. I am still a little shaken by Dwight's downturn in performance level this year though. I love AK-47 as a four. 

Honourable mention -- David West and LaMarcus Aldridge in Portland + Tyson Chandler and Paul Millsap in New York. A.Bynum and R.Anderson might be able to crash this group if A.Bynum can prove his health.

Chris Bosh and Emeka Okafor think they're in the discussion too
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 23, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
In general I don't think there is a defensive front court in this league that can matchup up against the size and skill combination that horford and love have.
Kevin Love + Al Horford = best big man duo in the league?

I think they probably are.

Duncan and Garnett in Boston look to be their main rival to my eyes. Maybe Kirilenko and D.Howard too. I am still a little shaken by Dwight's downturn in performance level this year though. I love AK-47 as a four. 

Honourable mention -- David West and LaMarcus Aldridge in Portland + Tyson Chandler and Paul Millsap in New York. A.Bynum and R.Anderson might be able to crash this group if A.Bynum can prove his health.

Chris Bosh and Emeka Okafor think they're in the discussion too

Nah...I don't think Meka + anyone holds a candle vs Horford and Love (assuming Love is healthy).
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 23, 2013, 04:39:50 PM
It doesnt matter cause i have the best REBOUNDING team in the league  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 23, 2013, 04:51:36 PM
It doesnt matter cause i have the best REBOUNDING team in the league  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just wondering what measure you are using.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 23, 2013, 04:53:33 PM
Above the rim is on BET, my dudez
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 23, 2013, 04:54:34 PM
Lots of homers in this here thread, rofl.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 23, 2013, 04:54:42 PM
It doesnt matter cause i have the best REBOUNDING team in the league  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just wondering what measure you are using.

Per 48
Hickson (#5 for C)
Evans (#1 Overall #1 PF)
Pekovic (#19 for C)
Aminu (#1 for SF)
Marion (#2 for SF
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 23, 2013, 04:55:52 PM
In general I don't think there is a defensive front court in this league that can matchup up against the size and skill combination that horford and love have.
Kevin Love + Al Horford = best big man duo in the league?

I think they probably are.

Duncan and Garnett in Boston look to be their main rival to my eyes. Maybe Kirilenko and D.Howard too. I am still a little shaken by Dwight's downturn in performance level this year though. I love AK-47 as a four. 

Honourable mention -- David West and LaMarcus Aldridge in Portland + Tyson Chandler and Paul Millsap in New York. A.Bynum and R.Anderson might be able to crash this group if A.Bynum can prove his health.

Chris Bosh and Emeka Okafor think they're in the discussion too

Nah...I don't think Meka + anyone holds a candle vs Horford and Love (assuming Love is healthy).

Fwiw love hurt his hand doing knuckle push-ups. Is that better than hurting your knee bowling?  I'm not sure
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 23, 2013, 04:58:58 PM
In general I don't think there is a defensive front court in this league that can matchup up against the size and skill combination that horford and love have.
Kevin Love + Al Horford = best big man duo in the league?

I think they probably are.

Duncan and Garnett in Boston look to be their main rival to my eyes. Maybe Kirilenko and D.Howard too. I am still a little shaken by Dwight's downturn in performance level this year though. I love AK-47 as a four. 

Honourable mention -- David West and LaMarcus Aldridge in Portland + Tyson Chandler and Paul Millsap in New York. A.Bynum and R.Anderson might be able to crash this group if A.Bynum can prove his health.

Chris Bosh and Emeka Okafor think they're in the discussion too

Nah...I don't think Meka + anyone holds a candle vs Horford and Love (assuming Love is healthy).

Fwiw love hurt his hand doing knuckle push-ups. Is that better than hurting your knee bowling?  I'm not sure

That's actually a really tough question. Who felt dumber afterwards? I'm guessing Love. That's an Amare moment. Bynum had a Vlad Rad moment.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 23, 2013, 05:02:29 PM
In general I don't think there is a defensive front court in this league that can matchup up against the size and skill combination that horford and love have.
Kevin Love + Al Horford = best big man duo in the league?

I think they probably are.

Duncan and Garnett in Boston look to be their main rival to my eyes. Maybe Kirilenko and D.Howard too. I am still a little shaken by Dwight's downturn in performance level this year though. I love AK-47 as a four. 

Honourable mention -- David West and LaMarcus Aldridge in Portland + Tyson Chandler and Paul Millsap in New York. A.Bynum and R.Anderson might be able to crash this group if A.Bynum can prove his health.

Chris Bosh and Emeka Okafor think they're in the discussion too

Nah...I don't think Meka + anyone holds a candle vs Horford and Love (assuming Love is healthy).

Fwiw love hurt his hand doing knuckle push-ups. Is that better than hurting your knee bowling?  I'm not sure

That's actually a really tough question. Who felt dumber afterwards? I'm guessing Love. That's an Amare moment. Bynum had a Vlad Rad moment.

Love felt dumber. Bynum had a fat kid breaks the bench moment
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 23, 2013, 05:53:49 PM
Looking for feedback on Portland

Lillard/Sessions
Thabo/Singler
Batum/Singler
LMA/Bass
Collison/Jonas
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 23, 2013, 05:56:10 PM
Looking for feedback on Portland

Lillard/Sessions
Thabo/Singler
Batum/Singler
LMA/Bass
Collison/Jonas

Looks like the real Portland team which i dont know if thats a good thing
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 23, 2013, 06:02:27 PM
Looking for feedback on Portland

Lillard/Sessions
Thabo/Singler
Batum/Singler
LMA/Bass
Collison/Jonas

Looks like the real Portland team which i dont know if thats a good thing

Starting five-wise, perhaps. Our Fake Blazer bench >>> the Real Blazers.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 23, 2013, 06:22:46 PM
Looking for feedback on Portland

Lillard/Sessions
Thabo/Singler
Batum/Singler
LMA/Bass
Collison/Jonas

Looks like the real Portland team which i dont know if thats a good thing

2 better vets in the starting lineup and we have a much better bench then the real Blazers which has been Portland's issue this year.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 24, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
I'm open to entertaining trade offers on anyone not named Kyrie Irving. No picks, only players.

Ryan Anderson seems to be drawing the most interest (and why not? Not many 4s outside of Kevin Love who can rebound and shoot like Anderson can).
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 24, 2013, 12:34:33 AM
Danny Granger 1/10 2 Pts
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 24, 2013, 12:37:46 AM
Danny Granger 1/10 2 Pts

It's his first game back, give him a break. They won.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 24, 2013, 12:56:34 AM
All Granger did tonight was steal valuable minutes from Lance Stephenson.

Kidding (Im not kidding)...
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 24, 2013, 01:24:51 AM
Always willing to listen to trades.  It'd take a lot to get me to move Parker or Gasol, though, since I've built my team around them. 

I do want to swap two picks for a better one.  I have an extra right now and would like to move it.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 24, 2013, 05:52:20 AM
Monta had 14 points, 4 rebounds, 10 ASSISTS, 2 steals last night. If he had this fake Bulls teams he would have beaten ATL with that kind of stat line. And we all know he can do better than that.

Haters gonna hate!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 24, 2013, 08:19:56 AM
Need a good PF looking to trade all of Wallace waiters Hensen 6.21 for one! PM me!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 24, 2013, 08:33:35 AM
Monta had 14 points, 4 rebounds, 10 ASSISTS, 2 steals last night. If he had this fake Bulls teams he would have beaten ATL with that kind of stat line. And we all know he can do better than that.

Haters gonna hate!

Ideally, Monta could be moved to the bench.  Jamal Crawford used to have the same reputation he did.  Now, he's seen as a super-sub and 6th Man candidate.  In the right setting -- and I think you have that setting -- I think Monta could be successful.

I'd like to see a better point guard, though.  I wasn't a huge fan of the Chauncey pick.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 24, 2013, 08:44:36 AM
I think Monta is okay as PG. He's not going to be able to set teammates up but he will find them when they are open, And Chauncey, he's alright. Veteran leadership, shooting, outside of the mistake I made with his salary, I think he's a fine pickup.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 24, 2013, 08:46:46 AM
Looking for feedback on Portland

G: Damien Lillard, R.Sessions
F: Nic Batum
F: Thabo Sefolosha, K.Singler
F: Nick Collison, B.Bass
C: LaMarcus Aldridge, J.Valanciunas

I think it is very similar to the current Blazers team.

A few differences between the two teams though: I think those differences give your squad more value. Probably 10-12 extra wins. I think Portland is on something like a 35 win pace so that would bring you up to the mid-40s win wise.

And having a strong prospect like J.Valanciunas over a raw prospect like M.Leonard gives your squad a much more, emm ... tangible future. Something you can depend on. Build around with expectations.

L.Aldridge and J.Valanciunas will be a very effective big man combination in the long term. Their size and length is going to be an intimidating factor for whoever plays against you. Combined with two big wings in Batum and Thabo and Portland clearly has the early stages of a top notch defensive (and rebounding) team down the road.

A probable title contender in another 2-3 years time.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 24, 2013, 05:13:48 PM
Dirk is beginning to get fully healthy and starting to play like the beast he is. 30 and 13 today folks.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 24, 2013, 05:45:53 PM
Dirk is beginning to get fully healthy and starting to play like the beast he is. 30 and 13 today folks.

Dirk was good today, but Kobe was better.

38 Pts, 12 Reb, 7 Ast, and oh yeah, the victory.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 24, 2013, 05:49:59 PM
Dirk is beginning to get fully healthy and starting to play like the beast he is. 30 and 13 today folks.

Dirk was good today, but Kobe was better.

38 Pts, 12 Reb, 7 Ast, and oh yeah, the victory.

Jeff Green: 31 points, 7 rebounds, 5 blocks, 4 assists, 2 steals

That's what I'm talking about! Memphis can be a contender if he keeps that up. ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 24, 2013, 05:53:11 PM
Dirk is beginning to get fully healthy and starting to play like the beast he is. 30 and 13 today folks.

Dirk was good today, but Kobe was better.

38 Pts, 12 Reb, 7 Ast, and oh yeah, the victory.

Jeff Green: 31 points, 7 rebounds, 5 blocks, 4 assists, 2 steals

That's what I'm talking about! Memphis can be a contender if he keeps that up. ;D

Well sure, if the only team on your schedule is the real Suns.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 12:35:22 AM
Great news everyone: Andrew Bynum went through a full practice yesterday with the actual real life 76ers. Like a real practice, with a real team.

I know! I'm as excited as you guys are!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 25, 2013, 12:46:10 AM
Great news everyone: Andrew Bynum went through a full practice yesterday with the actual real life 76ers. Like a real practice, with a real team.

I know! I'm as excited as you guys are!

Congrats on the great news  :)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 25, 2013, 08:04:00 AM

Yeah, I think you have loads of jump-shooting.

I would be more concerned with getting a different type of PG behind Calderon. Preferably a dribble drive type player. Someone who will be more aggressive as an attacker rather than a facilitator. Someone who will get into the middle and kick it out to those great jump-shooting big men and Danny Granger. More dribble penetration.

I need the same thing on my team behind Jarrett Jack.

I think I accomplished that by picking up Kemba as my 6th man off the bench.  With the shooting big men drawing the rim defenders away from the basket I think Kemba will be pretty devastating coming off the bench.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 25, 2013, 08:11:36 AM

Yeah, I think you have loads of jump-shooting.

I would be more concerned with getting a different type of PG behind Calderon. Preferably a dribble drive type player. Someone who will be more aggressive as an attacker rather than a facilitator. Someone who will get into the middle and kick it out to those great jump-shooting big men and Danny Granger. More dribble penetration.

I need the same thing on my team behind Jarrett Jack.

I think I accomplished that by picking up Kemba as my 6th man off the bench.  With the shooting big men drawing the rim defenders away from the basket I think Kemba will be pretty devastating coming off the bench.

Yeah, definitely.

Not really sold on Kemba as a starting PG but I think he will make a top flight change of pace PG off the bench.

A terrific contrast to Calderon off the bench. Gives you that dribble drive threat. That extra weapon offensively. Kemba will be fantastic in that role. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 25, 2013, 08:29:54 AM
All Granger did tonight was steal valuable minutes from Lance Stephenson.

Kidding (Im not kidding)...

Im psyched that he is playing.  Of course he's going to be rusty, but almost 20 minutes off the bench first game back is pretty fantastic. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 25, 2013, 11:54:08 AM
Any new thoughts on my team with the additions I've made so far?
What/Who do i target now??
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 25, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
Pick 2 Draft -- Utah Jazz- /70.3
PG: Derrick Rose - ()/ Luke Ridnour ()
SG: Evan Turner - ()   / ()
SF: Gerald Henderson- () / ()
PF: Al Jefferson - ()  / Luis Scola ()
C: Derrick Favors ()/ Derrick Williams ()

In construction.....
Coach to be picked.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 25, 2013, 12:19:37 PM
Pick 2 Draft -- Utah Jazz- /70.3
PG: Derrick Rose - ()/ Luke Ridnour ()
SG: Evan Turner - ()   / ()
SF: Gerald Henderson- () / ()
PF: Al Jefferson - ()  / Luis Scola ()
C: Derrick Favors ()/ Derrick Williams ()

In construction.....
Coach to be picked.

Whats your payroll like?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 25, 2013, 12:25:25 PM
Great news everyone: Andrew Bynum went through a full practice yesterday with the actual real life 76ers. Like a real practice, with a real team.

I know! I'm as excited as you guys are!
I thought this was good news for the Cavs....then I read Doug Collins reaction to Bynum's practice:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1541553-doug-collins-is-unimpressed-by-andrew-bynums-1st-practice-with-76ers

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8978920/andrew-bynum-philadelphia-76ers-not-close-return-according-coach-doug-collins

Looks like Bynum is still quite a ways off and might not even be guaranteed to be back this year.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 25, 2013, 12:27:41 PM
actually like my team a lot more than a few days ago. no real star but I have no problem rolling out 9 guys who can all contribute. nice blend of youth and experience.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 25, 2013, 12:30:29 PM
Pick 2 Draft -- Utah Jazz- /70.3
PG: Derrick Rose - ()/ Luke Ridnour ()
SG: Evan Turner - ()   / ()
SF: Gerald Henderson- () / ()
PF: Al Jefferson - ()  / Luis Scola ()
C: Derrick Favors ()/ Derrick Williams ()

In construction.....
Coach to be picked.

Whats your payroll like?

I think Big Al and D.Rose are the only big salaries there. So I would say Utah is still fairly comfortable financially.

I am guessing that is probably around $32 million for Rose and Big Al. Scola is only $2-3 million. E.Turner would be high enough as the #2 pick, probably $4-5 million. Let's say $3 million for G.Henderson. $4 million for Favors. Another $4 million for D.Williams. Luke Ridnour another $4 million.

What does that come out to? About $55 million I reckon.

Edit: D.Rose got the higher max. So he is on $16.4 million rather than $13.5 or whatever it is for the other guys coming off rookie deals.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 25, 2013, 12:33:56 PM
Any new thoughts on my team with the additions I've made so far?
What/Who do i target now??
I like Sully and Cousins together. Two very physical and highly skilled big men.

Make a good big man duo to run your offense through.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 12:48:09 PM
Great news everyone: Andrew Bynum went through a full practice yesterday with the actual real life 76ers. Like a real practice, with a real team.

I know! I'm as excited as you guys are!
I thought this was good news for the Cavs....then I read Doug Collins reaction to Bynum's practice:

(Edited out for being a pile of BR garbage)

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8978920/andrew-bynum-philadelphia-76ers-not-close-return-according-coach-doug-collins

Looks like Bynum is still quite a ways off and might not even be guaranteed to be back this year.

I think you're overly skewing Collin's comments to the negative. Let's not forget that he's currently coaching a vastly under-performing team that a lot of people had high hopes for. He doesn't want to sound optimistic, because if the bad stuff happens, where will he be left?

I'll bet you 500 TP's that Bynum plays this year. I'll bet you 100 TP's that he plays at least 20 games. That's a March 11th return, minimum.

I'm also going to dock you 3 TP's for posting a Bleacher Report link and pretending its actual news. That means the next 3 times I would've been intending to give you a Tommy Point, I'll give it to charity, for the kids. You've been around too long to be posting hot garbage like Bleacher Report up in this house.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 25, 2013, 12:54:15 PM
Any new thoughts on my team with the additions I've made so far?
What/Who do i target now??
I like Sully and Cousins together. Two very physical and highly skilled big men.

Make a good big man duo to run your offense through.

I think, if healthy, that's almost a dream combination.

Sullinger's ability to hit a midrange shot and work VERY well off the ball is such a great compliment next to Cousins.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 25, 2013, 01:25:15 PM


Warriors  (31.30 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG DeShawn Stevenson
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
SG Marco Belinelli
PF Landry
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 25, 2013, 01:31:41 PM
Pick 2 Draft -- Utah Jazz- /70.3
PG: Derrick Rose - ()/ Luke Ridnour ()
SG: Evan Turner - ()   / ()
SF: Gerald Henderson- () / ()
PF: Al Jefferson - ()  / Luis Scola ()
C: Derrick Favors ()/ Derrick Williams ()

In construction.....
Coach to be picked.

Whats your payroll like?

I think Big Al and D.Rose are the only big salaries there. So I would say Utah is still fairly comfortable financially.

I am guessing that is probably around $32 million for Rose and Big Al. Scola is only $2-3 million. E.Turner would be high enough as the #2 pick, probably $4-5 million. Let's say $3 million for G.Henderson. $4 million for Favors. Another $4 million for D.Williams. Luke Ridnour another $4 million.

What does that come out to? About $55 million I reckon.

Edit: D.Rose got the higher max. So he is on $16.4 million rather than $13.5 or whatever it is for the other guys coming off rookie deals.

Iw as planning on working on this right now

TY Who
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 25, 2013, 01:35:14 PM
Pick 2 Draft -- Utah Jazz- 54.0/70.3 or something like that


PG: Derrick Rose - (16.4)/ Luke Ridnour (1.424)
SG: Evan Turner - (5.29)   / ()
SF: Gerald Henderson- (3.101) / ()
PF: Al Jefferson - (15.0)  / Luis Scola (4.15)
C: Derrick Favors (4.75)/ Derrick Williams (4.8 )
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 01:38:54 PM
Pick 2 Draft -- Utah Jazz- 54.0/70.3 or something like that


PG: Derrick Rose - (16.4)/ Luke Ridnour (1.424)
SG: Evan Turner - (5.29)   / ()
SF: Gerald Henderson- (3.101) / ()
PF: Al Jefferson - (15.0)  / Luis Scola (4.15)
C: Derrick Favors (4.75)/ Derrick Williams (4.8 )

Edgar, you crazy comrade, you're starting your center at the 4, your 4 at the center, your backup 3 at the 5, and your backup 5 at the 4.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 25, 2013, 01:40:03 PM
Pick 2 Draft -- Utah Jazz- 54.0/70.3 or something like that


PG: Derrick Rose - (16.4)/ Luke Ridnour (1.424)
SG: Evan Turner - (5.29)   / ()
SF: Gerald Henderson- (3.101) / ()
PF: Al Jefferson - (15.0)  / Luis Scola (4.15)
C: Derrick Favors (4.75)/ Derrick Williams (4.8 )

Haven't checked all of these, but I know Ridnour is making more than $1.4 mil this season.

Derrick Williams at C (?) notwithstanding, I think this is a nice team once Rose comes back. Ridnour will do a fine job in the interim.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 25, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
After 6: Chicago Bulls

PG - Monta Ellis (tattooed speedster)
   - Chauncey Billups (old reliable)

SG - Andre Iguodala (lockdown wing #1)
   - Brandon Rush (shooter + defender)

SF - Luol Deng (lockdown wing #2)

PF - Glen Davis (linebacker body, tight end movements)
   - Elton Brand (old semi reliable)

C  - Joakim Noah (still cool)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 25, 2013, 01:47:21 PM


Warriors  (31.30 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG DeShawn Stevenson
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
SG Marco Belinelli
PF Landry

Not sure what to make of it. As a fun experiment, I was hoping you'd make Gallo your PF and grab another SF. Maybe that's why I can't figure out how I feel about the roster. The Curry-Gallo-Gasol troika is terrific. The rest of the squad leaves me lukewarm.

I get the Stevenson pick, but I wonder if there's someone younger/healthier that might do the same job for you. And I agree that Landry is better off the bench, but wonder if Allen is ready to start.

Bledsoe seems like a great trade chip.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 25, 2013, 01:52:35 PM
After 6: Chicago Bulls

PG - Monta Ellis (tattooed speedster)
   - Chauncey Billups (old reliable)

SG - Andre Iguodala (lockdown wing #1)
   - Brandon Rush (shooter + defender)

SF - Luol Deng (lockdown wing #2)

PF - Glen Davis (linebacker body, tight end movements)
   - Elton Brand (old semi reliable)

C  - Joakim Noah (still cool)

Tons of pressure on Monta to be the offensive engine on this team.  Nobody else on the team is really a creator, with Iguodala being inefficient, Deng needing to be set up and Chauncey being old. 

Still, if any of our fantasy teams here have a shot at slowing down LeBron or Durant, it'll be this one.  Deng, Iguodala and Rush can all guard wings very well. 

A playoff team and a tough out based on the defense alone.  How much further you go depends on how much further Monta takes you, which should be a scary thought.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 25, 2013, 01:53:21 PM
Pick 2 Draft -- Utah Jazz- 54.0/70.3 or something like that


PG: Derrick Rose - (16.4)/ Luke Ridnour (1.424)
SG: Evan Turner - (5.29)   / ()
SF: Gerald Henderson- (3.101) / ()
PF: Al Jefferson - (15.0)  / Luis Scola (4.15)
C: Derrick Favors (4.75)/ Derrick Williams (4.8 )

Haven't checked all of these, but I know Ridnour is making more than $1.4 mil this season.

Derrick Williams at C (?) notwithstanding, I think this is a nice team once Rose comes back. Ridnour will do a fine job in the interim.

Luke is making 4mil, you're right.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 25, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
G: Jarrett Jack, JJ Barea
G: Eric Gordon, Jarrett Jack
F: Luc Mbah a Moute, Chase Budinger
F: Amare Stoudemire, Enes Kanter
C: Anthony Davis, Enes Kanter

So I think my main rotation is pretty much done now. An 8 man unit.

I am at about $58 million now.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 25, 2013, 02:05:11 PM


Warriors  (31.30 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG DeShawn Stevenson
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
SG Marco Belinelli
PF Landry

I liked bringing in D.Stevenson to start over Belinelli.

Not much of a fan of Belinelli as a two guard in the NBA. Lightweight defender/rebounder. Too streaky offensively to consistently make up for it.

DeShawn Stevenson brings some much needed perimeter defense and a dose of physical toughness to that backcourt unit. I think he will be a valuable role player for Golden State.

I love your bench with Eric Bledsoe and Carl Landry. Two top line reserves. They will give you one of the best bench units in the league. I am a big fan of that pairing.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 25, 2013, 02:15:56 PM
G: Jarrett Jack, JJ Barea
G: Eric Gordon, Jarrett Jack
F: Luc Mbah a Moute, Chase Budinger
F: Amare Stoudemire, Enes Kanter
C: Anthony Davis, Enes Kanter

So I think my main rotation is pretty much done now. An 8 man unit.

I am at about $58 million now.

I didn't realize Budinger hadn't played since November.  Looks like you could use some reinforments at the 3? But other than that I'm a fan of this team. 

If Gordon, STAT, and Budz can all stay healthy this team should be competing for the playoffs while establishing itself as one of the best future teams.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 25, 2013, 02:24:33 PM
Great news everyone: Andrew Bynum went through a full practice yesterday with the actual real life 76ers. Like a real practice, with a real team.

I know! I'm as excited as you guys are!
I thought this was good news for the Cavs....then I read Doug Collins reaction to Bynum's practice:

(Edited out for being a pile of BR garbage)

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8978920/andrew-bynum-philadelphia-76ers-not-close-return-according-coach-doug-collins

Looks like Bynum is still quite a ways off and might not even be guaranteed to be back this year.

I think you're overly skewing Collin's comments to the negative. Let's not forget that he's currently coaching a vastly under-performing team that a lot of people had high hopes for. He doesn't want to sound optimistic, because if the bad stuff happens, where will he be left?

I'll bet you 500 TP's that Bynum plays this year. I'll bet you 100 TP's that he plays at least 20 games. That's a March 11th return, minimum.

I'm also going to dock you 3 TP's for posting a Bleacher Report link and pretending its actual news. That means the next 3 times I would've been intending to give you a Tommy Point, I'll give it to charity, for the kids. You've been around too long to be posting hot garbage like Bleacher Report up in this house.
I will take the 100 TPs bet. No way Bynum plays 20 games this season.

And my sincere apologies to the site for my pathetic use of a BR link. It shall not happen again.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 25, 2013, 02:25:22 PM


Warriors  (31.30 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG DeShawn Stevenson
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
SG Marco Belinelli
PF Landry

I liked bringing in D.Stevenson to start over Belinelli.

Not much of a fan of Belinelli as a two guard in the NBA. Lightweight defender/rebounder. Too streaky offensively to consistently make up for it.

DeShawn Stevenson brings some much needed perimeter defense and a dose of physical toughness to that backcourt unit. I think he will be a valuable role player for Golden State.

I love your bench with Eric Bledsoe and Carl Landry. Two top line reserves. They will give you one of the best bench units in the league. I am a big fan of that pairing.

Anytime you can start a guy with Abraham Lincoln tattoo'd on his adam's apple you gotta do it.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 25, 2013, 02:42:17 PM
G: Jarrett Jack, JJ Barea
G: Eric Gordon, Jarrett Jack
F: Luc Mbah a Moute, Chase Budinger
F: Amare Stoudemire, Enes Kanter
C: Anthony Davis, Enes Kanter

So I think my main rotation is pretty much done now. An 8 man unit.

I am at about $58 million now.

Lots to talk about here. 

Some health concerns with EGor and Amare.  The million-dollar question is whether or not STAT's health holds up long enough to give you a few years of contention when the Brow hits his stride. 

As far as fit goes, though, everything is there.  Jack is an average PG, but PG's are overrated anyway.  Jack and Gordon aren't the quickest of backcourts, but Davis should make up for a lot of that.  Mbah a Moute is a tremendous fit because your other four starters can all shoot.  Davis covers Amare's deficiencies on defense and rebounding, though I do think you'll be a bit below average on the glass as a whole.  Budinger is a nice weapon off the bench and has become underrated in the wake of his injury. 

Kanter makes a lot of sense along with Davis, and you'll probably end up shifting Davis to the 4 and starting Kanter when Amare slows down. 

I like this team a lot overall.  I initially thought you picked Amare too early in the draft - thought the contract and health issues would drop him some - but if he's healthy he makes you a dangerous playoff team much earlier than you otherwise would have been with just Gordon and Davis.  You'd better hire Phoenix's medical staff, though, because this team will need the best.  This team could become a strong contender for a couple of years, or it could become as big of a what-if story as real-life Portland.

EDIT:  Looked up Jack's stats... he's doing a lot better this year than I thought.  Didn't know how well he was shooting the ball.  If that's not a fluke (he's been wildly inconsistent from year to year), then he's a good PG for you. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 25, 2013, 02:49:15 PM
Barea and Jack is an interesting combo off the bench.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 25, 2013, 03:16:33 PM
SUNS Pick 2:
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88) Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF: Kris Humphries(12) John Henson(1.8 )
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 25, 2013, 03:18:43 PM
G: Jarrett Jack, JJ Barea
G: Eric Gordon, Jarrett Jack
F: Luc Mbah a Moute, Chase Budinger
F: Amare Stoudemire, Enes Kanter
C: Anthony Davis, Enes Kanter

So I think my main rotation is pretty much done now. An 8 man unit.

I am at about $58 million now.


I would look to mover Amare and Jack to see if you could get a better young PG and a backup big man.  (start Kanter)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 25, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million)

PG: Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
____________________
SF: Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
____________________
____________________

$20,626,954 in cap space for:
7.15, 8.11, 8.15, 9.15, 9.19, 11.15

I'd appreciate if someone gave me some advice :D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 03:28:20 PM
SUNS Pick 2:
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88) Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF: Kris Humphries(12) John Henson(1.8 )
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)

Thoughts?

I don't think Kris Humphries is a better 4 than Wallace, let alone starting quality for your squad. You've got 4 strong starters, 1 of which is elite for the position. Humphries is a guy I'd be squirmy about as a backup, and panicky about as a starter.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 25, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
SUNS Pick 2:
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88) Gerald Wallace(9.88)
PF: Kris Humphries(12) John Henson(1.8 )
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25)

Thoughts?

I don't think Kris Humphries is a better 4 than Wallace, let alone starting quality for your squad. You've got 4 strong starters, 1 of which is elite for the position. Humphries is a guy I'd be squirmy about as a backup, and panicky about as a starter.

Yeah, I go with G.Wallace over K.Humphries too.

Humphries will make a quality backup PF.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 25, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million)

PG: Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
____________________
SF: Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
____________________
____________________

$20,626,954 in cap space for:
7.15, 8.11, 8.15, 9.15, 9.19, 11.15

I'd appreciate if someone gave me some advice :D

I think you need a 9 man rotation.

I don't think A.Miller and G.Vasquez will play that well alongside one another so I think a four man backcourt instead of a three man backcourt. Neither player is a strong shooter so I think another sharp-shooting SG behind Klay Thompson would work well.

Main priority would continue to be a strong backup PF. More minutes available there behind Z-Bo and Asik than behind Klay Thompson. Hence, the larger priority. Someone with quick feet defensively and a jump-shot. Someone that can give floor spacing alongside Asik when Z-Bo rests or play alongside Z-Bo with Z.Randolph sliding to center when your team needs more quickness (Z-Bo + PF) from it's bigs rather than size and heft (Z-Bo + Asik).
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 03:55:46 PM
2013 Cavs:

Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson
Barnes
Ryan Anderson/Greg Smith
Bynum/Tyler Zeller/Greg Smith
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 25, 2013, 04:01:22 PM
2013 Cavs:

Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson
Barnes
Ryan Anderson/Greg Smith
Bynum/Tyler Zeller/Greg Smith

Wing depth.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 04:03:47 PM
2013 Cavs:

Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson
Barnes
Ryan Anderson/Greg Smith
Bynum/Tyler Zeller/Greg Smith

Wing depth.

True that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 25, 2013, 04:05:47 PM
2013 Cavs:

Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson
Barnes
Ryan Anderson/Greg Smith
Bynum/Tyler Zeller/Greg Smith

Is it possible to play Thomas & Irving at the same time here and there- or is that too much defensive liability in a backcourt?

Those two on the court at the same time just sounds like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 04:09:42 PM
2013 Cavs:

Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson
Barnes
Ryan Anderson/Greg Smith
Bynum/Tyler Zeller/Greg Smith

Is it possible to play Thomas & Irving at the same time here and there- or is that too much defensive liability in a backcourt?

Those two on the court at the same time just sounds like a lot of fun.

Not saying it will never happen, but its not my number 1 inclination.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 25, 2013, 05:12:56 PM
Lakers

Coach: Larry Brown

Starters

PG: Deron Williams
SG: J. J. Redick
SF: Metta World Peace
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Dwight Howard

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter
SF: Mike Dunleavy
SG: C. J. Miles

Total Salary   69,860,000
Salary Cap Remaining   29,440,000
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 25, 2013, 08:48:16 PM
Lakers

Coach: Larry Brown

Starters

PG: Deron Williams
SG: J. J. Redick
SF: Metta World Peace
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Dwight Howard

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter
SF: Mike Dunleavy
SG: C. J. Miles

Total Salary   69,860,000
Salary Cap Remaining   29,440,000

Not in love with that bench, outside of Splitter.  Need some help in the back-court.  Deron and JJ gonna be playing heavy minutes.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 25, 2013, 09:09:35 PM
Awfully close to being done w/ my rotation. Probably need another 4 or 5 to eat minutes during regular season

Jeremy Lin / Jason Kidd
Jared Dudley / JR Smith
Shane Battier
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan / Chris Kaman
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
Awfully close to being done w/ my rotation. Probably need another 4 or 5 to eat minutes during regular season

Jeremy Lin / Jason Kidd
Jared Dudley / JR Smith
Shane Battier
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan / Chris Kaman

I think you've got a real defensive hole by playing Dudley at the 2. He can't guard most 2s on his own (not that the help defense isn't legendary), and on offense, opposing teams can put their 2s on Battier and their 3 on Dudley.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 25, 2013, 09:28:55 PM
Lakers

Coach: Larry Brown

Starters

PG: Deron Williams
SG: J. J. Redick
SF: Metta World Peace
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Dwight Howard

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter
SF: Mike Dunleavy
SG: C. J. Miles

Total Salary   69,860,000
Salary Cap Remaining   29,440,000

There's as much potential for drama with this team as there is with the real Lakers.  If it meshes, though, the pieces fit together in terms of skills.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 25, 2013, 09:39:03 PM
Awfully close to being done w/ my rotation. Probably need another 4 or 5 to eat minutes during regular season

Jeremy Lin / Jason Kidd
Jared Dudley / JR Smith
Shane Battier
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan / Chris Kaman

I think you've got a real defensive hole by playing Dudley at the 2. He can't guard most 2s on his own (not that the help defense isn't legendary), and on offense, opposing teams can put their 2s on Battier and their 3 on Dudley.

Excellent point, ip
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 10:01:56 PM
Awfully close to being done w/ my rotation. Probably need another 4 or 5 to eat minutes during regular season

Jeremy Lin / Jason Kidd
Jared Dudley / JR Smith
Shane Battier
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan / Chris Kaman

I think you've got a real defensive hole by playing Dudley at the 2. He can't guard most 2s on his own (not that the help defense isn't legendary), and on offense, opposing teams can put their 2s on Battier and their 3 on Dudley.

Excellent point, ip

I think the easy fix is to move Kidd into the starting lineup, next to Lin. It's seemed to work for the rockets, and you move Dudley into a super sub role at the 3/4 to go with JR Smith and Kaman. I'm not sure how well Kidd can still defend 2s, but he's been doing it regularly for years.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 25, 2013, 10:06:29 PM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan, DeJuan Blair
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 25, 2013, 10:12:31 PM
Brandon Jennings, Jimmer Fredette
Kevin Martin, Ray Allen
Shawn Marion, Al Farouq Aminu
J.J Hickson, Reggie Evans
Nikola Pekovic

Looking to get a big man and a stretching SF with my next picks
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 25, 2013, 10:24:05 PM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan, DeJuan Blair

Like it a lot better if you flip flopped your guard rotation.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 25, 2013, 10:24:54 PM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan, DeJuan Blair

Don't see why you'd need to sit Derozen. Sure, he's an asset on the bench, but so is Gee, and Derozen is the more productive player.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 25, 2013, 10:29:25 PM
Guess I'm alone here. Thought Gee's elite defensive skills would help out my starting lineup a lot. I guess I'll put my own feelings aside and flip flop my guards to please y'all.

PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce, Alonzo Gee
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan, DeJuan Blair
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 25, 2013, 10:33:04 PM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan, DeJuan Blair

Don't see why you'd need to sit Derozen. Sure, he's an asset on the bench, but so is Gee, and Derozen is the more productive player.

I know next to nothing about gee, but i got concerns bout derozan starting. Him and rubio are a terrible defensive combo and their inability to hit an open three could hurt spacing.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 25, 2013, 10:37:07 PM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan, DeJuan Blair

Don't see why you'd need to sit Derozen. Sure, he's an asset on the bench, but so is Gee, and Derozen is the more productive player.

I know next to nothing about gee, but i got concerns bout derozan starting. Him and rubio are a terrible defensive combo and their inability to hit an open three could hurt spacing.

agreed, derozan and Rubio together have spacing issues. a lot of sagging in the paint.

I know you have pierce but in a different situation I would even consider playing derozan at the three
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on February 25, 2013, 10:38:20 PM
Looking for feedback on Portland

G: Damien Lillard, R.Sessions
F: Nic Batum
F: Thabo Sefolosha, K.Singler
F: Nick Collison, B.Bass
C: LaMarcus Aldridge, J.Valanciunas

I think it is very similar to the current Blazers team.

A few differences between the two teams though:
  • A more polished big man prospect in Valanciunas instead of M.Leonard
  • An upgrade on Portland's second starting wing with Thabo Sefolosha there instead of Wes Matthews
  • Nick Collison instead of JJ Hickson who gives the Blazers much better interior and team defense
  • An above average bench instead of the garbage Portland has been fielding this year.
I think those differences give your squad more value. Probably 10-12 extra wins. I think Portland is on something like a 35 win pace so that would bring you up to the mid-40s win wise.

And having a strong prospect like J.Valanciunas over a raw prospect like M.Leonard gives your squad a much more, emm ... tangible future. Something you can depend on. Build around with expectations.

L.Aldridge and J.Valanciunas will be a very effective big man combination in the long term. Their size and length is going to be an intimidating factor for whoever plays against you. Combined with two big wings in Batum and Thabo and Portland clearly has the early stages of a top notch defensive (and rebounding) team down the road.

A probable title contender in another 2-3 years time.

High 40 wins gets us in the playoffs, I'd say that's an improvement.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 26, 2013, 11:14:59 AM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan, DeJuan Blair

Don't see why you'd need to sit Derozen. Sure, he's an asset on the bench, but so is Gee, and Derozen is the more productive player.

I know next to nothing about gee, but i got concerns bout derozan starting. Him and rubio are a terrible defensive combo and their inability to hit an open three could hurt spacing.

Rubio is a good defender. He has good size for a point guard and rarely gets beat. He also plays the passing lanes better than most. His defense has improved a lot since he's been in the league. His shooting is his only flaw.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 26, 2013, 11:25:07 AM
PG: Russell Westbrook / Jerryd Bayless
SG: Wesley Matthews / Terrence Ross
SF: Trevor Ariza / Martell Webster
PF: David Lee / Jason Maxiell
C: JaVale McGee / Ian Mahinmi

Recent picks...
6.6: Jerryd Bayless
7.6: Jason Maxiell
7.9: Terrence Ross
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 26, 2013, 11:28:18 AM
PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Alonzo Gee, Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: Deandre Jordan, DeJuan Blair

Don't see why you'd need to sit Derozen. Sure, he's an asset on the bench, but so is Gee, and Derozen is the more productive player.

I know next to nothing about gee, but i got concerns bout derozan starting. Him and rubio are a terrible defensive combo and their inability to hit an open three could hurt spacing.

Rubio is a good defender. He has good size for a point guard and rarely gets beat. He also plays the passing lanes better than most. His defense has improved a lot since he's been in the league. His shooting is his only flaw.

One of the best help defenders in the league at the PG position. Rubio.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 26, 2013, 11:57:21 AM
Tony Parker / Nate Robinson
Danny Green / Gary Neal
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Thoughts?  Targeting a fifth big and defensive-minded wing with my next two picks. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 26, 2013, 12:00:34 PM
After 7: Chicago Bulls

PG - Monta Ellis    /    Chauncey Billups
SG - Andre Iguodala   /   Brandon Rush
SF - Luol Deng   
PF - Glen Davis   /   Elton Brand
C  - Joakim Noah   /   Jason Smith

Yeah BOY!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 26, 2013, 12:05:07 PM
Tony Parker / Nate Robinson
Danny Green / Gary Neal
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Thoughts?  Targeting a fifth big and defensive-minded wing with my next two picks.

Need a big center. Someone with legitimate size. Real size. Physical power.

I would probably take a burly power forward too. Someone with bulk/muscle. A physical player.

Those would be my two main priorities.

Then select the best perimeter player available. The versatility of Gary Neal (OG/PG - third string PG) and Earl Clark (PF/SF - third string defensive SF) means you can pick pretty much any perimeter position and still have enough depth across the board.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 26, 2013, 12:09:21 PM
PG: Russell Westbrook / Jerryd Bayless
SG: Wesley Matthews / Terrence Ross
SF: Trevor Ariza / Martell Webster
PF: David Lee / Jason Maxiell
C: JaVale McGee / Ian Mahinmi

Recent picks...
6.6: Jerryd Bayless
7.6: Jason Maxiell
7.9: Terrence Ross

I like the balance and the fit of the roster overall.

Love the Maxiell pick. In a pinch, he can play next to Lee if McGee goes off the reservation, I think.

Not sure what else to recommend given your cap situation. Perhaps a defensive wing specialist and a big who can stretch the floor a little?

Nice work.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 26, 2013, 12:12:31 PM
Tony Parker / Nate Robinson
Danny Green / Gary Neal
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Thoughts?  Targeting a fifth big and defensive-minded wing with my next two picks.

Yes, I think your rotation would be strengthened considerably if you got a legit 7-footer who can man the middle and throw his weight around. Even if he's just a 10-minute guy.

I haven't seen much of Neal this season, but does he provide a different skill set from Robinson? Seems somewhat redundant.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 26, 2013, 12:13:39 PM
Tony Parker / Nate Robinson
Danny Green / Gary Neal
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Thoughts?  Targeting a fifth big and defensive-minded wing with my next two picks.

Very good team.

I think it needs more size on the PF/C position but if Gasol and Thompson can "man up" this is a team to be dealing with.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 26, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
Here's the Rockets so far.
Chalmers/Manu (Reggie Jackson)
Harden/Manu
Chandler/Marv Williams
Nene/Chandler
Hawes/Ezeli

I'm trying to decide between adding a wing and slotting more time for Chandler/Williams at the 4, or adding a traditional 4 and keeping them more on the wing.

Thoughts?

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 26, 2013, 12:17:16 PM
PG: Russell Westbrook / Jerryd Bayless
SG: Wesley Matthews / Terrence Ross
SF: Trevor Ariza / Martell Webster
PF: David Lee / Jason Maxiell
C: JaVale McGee / Ian Mahinmi

Recent picks...
6.6: Jerryd Bayless
7.6: Jason Maxiell
7.9: Terrence Ross

I'm worried about Lee and Westbrook playing together. Lee live on pick and rolls most of the time, will Westbrook pass him  the ball?

That's my only question. Outside of that, I dig this team. The talent is certainly there.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 26, 2013, 12:17:43 PM
After 7: Chicago Bulls

PG - Monta Ellis    /    Chauncey Billups
SG - Andre Iguodala   /   Brandon Rush
SF - Luol Deng   
PF - Glen Davis   /   Elton Brand
C  - Joakim Noah   /   Jason Smith

Yeah BOY!

Good: The defensive backbone of Iggy/Deng/Noah. The real strength and identity of the team.

Bad (?): Davis and Rush are done for the year, and Chauncey is on his last legs, so contending this year for a title seems out of reach, considering the lack of depth. Brand and Billups likely won't be able to do much for you next year when the other guys come back.

Ugly?: When Ellis isn't hitting his shots, this team might struggle to score 80.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 26, 2013, 12:21:19 PM
After 7: Chicago Bulls

PG - Monta Ellis    /    Chauncey Billups
SG - Andre Iguodala   /   Brandon Rush
SF - Luol Deng   
PF - Glen Davis   /   Elton Brand
C  - Joakim Noah   /   Jason Smith

Yeah BOY!

Good: The defensive backbone of Iggy/Deng/Noah. The real strength and identity of the team.

Bad (?): Davis and Rush are done for the year, and Chauncey is on his last legs, so contending this year for a title seems out of reach, considering the lack of depth. Brand and Billups likely won't be able to do much for you next year when the other guys come back.

Ugly?: When Ellis isn't hitting his shots, this team might struggle to score 80.

Agree: Defensive stalwart this team is.

Agree: Davis and Rush are done for the year, Jason Smith can handle PF duties, still need to find replacement for Rush, but for now Chauncey must have to take care of some Guard duties.

Disagree: This team can and WILL run. Iggy is a great set up man, he'll find people on the break, even if it's not Ellis. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 26, 2013, 12:23:25 PM
Tony Parker / Nate Robinson
Danny Green / Gary Neal
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo

Thoughts?  Targeting a fifth big and defensive-minded wing with my next two picks.

Need a big center. Someone with legitimate size. Real size. Physical power.

I would probably take a burly power forward too. Someone with bulk/muscle. A physical player.

Those would be my two main priorities.

Then select the best perimeter player available. The versatility of Gary Neal (OG/PG - third string PG) and Earl Clark (PF/SF - third string defensive SF) means you can pick pretty much any perimeter position and still have enough depth across the board.

Hmm.  I have somebody in mind for a power PF.  A physical C, I'd have to think about some more.  I'm effectively operating on minimum contracts, so my selection is pretty limited at this point.  I appreciate the thoughts!

Yes, I think your rotation would be strengthened considerably if you got a legit 7-footer who can man the middle and throw his weight around. Even if he's just a 10-minute guy.

I haven't seen much of Neal this season, but does he provide a different skill set from Robinson? Seems somewhat redundant.

Neal is much better off the ball and is a better shooter overall, though his percentages are down this year.

Robinson is a better creator for others in my opinion.  Better as the ball-handler off the bench.  His size limits him against some matchups, but one of the reasons I liked picking up Neal is that he can fill in the PG spot well enough when Nate's lack of size might hurt me.  Neal can play either guard spot pretty well, although I prefer him at the 2.     
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 26, 2013, 12:23:34 PM
After 7: Chicago Bulls

PG - Monta Ellis    /    Chauncey Billups
SG - Andre Iguodala   /   Brandon Rush
SF - Luol Deng   
PF - Glen Davis   /   Elton Brand
C  - Joakim Noah   /   Jason Smith

Yeah BOY!
Tough to judge given you have two important rotation players out for the year in Davis and Rush, otherwise, lots of talent though I am not sure how well it all fits together
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 26, 2013, 12:26:15 PM
After 7: Chicago Bulls

PG - Monta Ellis    /    Chauncey Billups
SG - Andre Iguodala   /   Brandon Rush
SF - Luol Deng   
PF - Glen Davis   /   Elton Brand
C  - Joakim Noah   /   Jason Smith

Yeah BOY!

Good: The defensive backbone of Iggy/Deng/Noah. The real strength and identity of the team.

Bad (?): Davis and Rush are done for the year, and Chauncey is on his last legs, so contending this year for a title seems out of reach, considering the lack of depth. Brand and Billups likely won't be able to do much for you next year when the other guys come back.

Ugly?: When Ellis isn't hitting his shots, this team might struggle to score 80.

Agree: Defensive stalwart this team is.

Agree: Davis and Rush are done for the year, Jason Smith can handle PF duties, still need to find replacement for Rush, but for now Chauncey must have to take care of some Guard duties.

Disagree: This team can and WILL run. Iggy is a great set up man, he'll find people on the break, even if it's not Ellis.

I guess a lot will depend on Brand at the 4, whether he'll control the boards vs. opposing PFs (who will likely be smaller, but also quicker and more athletic).

I'd look for a cheap PF (possibly on a rookie contract or a vet) who can give you a more athletic option to mix into the rotation, and another SF who can give Deng a breather/rest when he's dealing with those nagging injuries.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 26, 2013, 12:35:17 PM
Here's the Rockets so far.
Chalmers/Manu (Reggie Jackson)
Harden/Manu
Chandler/Marv Williams
Nene/Chandler
Hawes/Ezeli

I'm trying to decide between adding a wing and slotting more time for Chandler/Williams at the 4, or adding a traditional 4 and keeping them more on the wing.

Thoughts?

Terrific mix for your backcourt. Those three guys are pretty interchangeable and can play well together.

I like the Nene/Hawes combo in the frontcourt in terms of spacing and offensive flow/cohesion, and Ezeli looks like a nice piece going forward.

Chandler's had his injury issues, and Marvin has his issues with consistency/aggressiveness. I suppose you should be able to get 48 minutes a night out of those two, but perhaps a steady, if unspectacular, option would make me more comfortable there.

That said, I think you might want to prioritize a rebounding/defensive PF with your next pick. Bonus points if he can play next to Nene for a different frontcourt look.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 26, 2013, 12:36:26 PM
After round 7

PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce, Alonzo Gee
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, Marreese Speights
C: Deandre Jordan, Dejaun Blair

Thoughts? What should I be looking for in be next couple rounds?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 26, 2013, 01:36:35 PM
The Nets 9 man rotation is now set.  Gotta say, I really like this roster.  Good blend of scoring (inside-outside), perimeter defense, rebounding and solid bench play.

Head Coach: Phil Jackson

 C: Brook Lopez / Andray Blatche
PF: Carlos Boozer / Udonis Haslem
SF: Dorell Wright / Matt Barnes
SG: Kobe Bryant / Jason Terry
PG: George Hill / Jason Terry


TP for your thoughts!  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 26, 2013, 01:41:43 PM
The Nets 9 man rotation is now set.  Gotta say, I really like this roster.  Good blend of scoring (inside-outside), perimeter defense, rebounding and solid bench play.

Head Coach: Phil Jackson

 C: Brook Lopez / Andray Blatche
PF: Carlos Boozer / Udonis Haslem
SF: Dorell Wright / Matt Barnes
SG: Kobe Bryant / Jason Terry
PG: George Hill / Jason Terry


TP for your thoughts!  ;D
Good team. I think your forward position is fairly weak. I don't like either Barnes or Wright. Boozer will score and rebound but his defense is sketchy at best and Haslem is having a tough year in more limited minutes.

I think New York and Miami will be a problem for you in the East
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 26, 2013, 01:41:46 PM
After round 7

PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce, Alonzo Gee
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, Marreese Speights
C: Deandre Jordan, Dejaun Blair

Thoughts? What should I be looking for in be next couple rounds?

A defensive center who can protect the rim would be my first priority.

Someone who can anchor a defense when D.Jordan is on the bench.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 26, 2013, 01:41:56 PM
The Nets 9 man rotation is now set.  Gotta say, I really like this roster.  Good blend of scoring (inside-outside), perimeter defense, rebounding and solid bench play.

Head Coach: Phil Jackson

 C: Brook Lopez / Andray Blatche
PF: Carlos Boozer / Udonis Haslem
SF: Dorell Wright / Matt Barnes
SG: Kobe Bryant / Jason Terry
PG: George Hill / Jason Terry


TP for your thoughts!  ;D

It's a nice lineup and the pieces definitely complement each other well.  Very strong team that will probably be near the top of the East.

I think your biggest issue will be ball movement, except for whichever week Kobe decides he wants to read stories about how unselfish he's become.  You may also have some problems with wing defense - Wright has never been known as a defender and Barnes plays hard but is starting to lose a step. 

EDIT:  More specifically, who on your team can check LeBron or Melo?  Other teams will have a better shot at guarding Kobe than your team will defending other star wings.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 26, 2013, 01:45:12 PM
After round 7

PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce, Alonzo Gee
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, Marreese Speights
C: Deandre Jordan, Dejaun Blair

Thoughts? What should I be looking for in be next couple rounds?

An interesting mix of vet stars and young guns. I don't think it doesn't work, and I'm sure you've explored trades, but I don't know what to make of the fit.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 26, 2013, 01:46:31 PM
After round 7

PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce, Alonzo Gee
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, Marreese Speights
C: Deandre Jordan, Dejaun Blair

Thoughts? What should I be looking for in be next couple rounds?

A defensive center who can protect the rim would be my first priority.

Someone who can anchor a defense when D.Jordan is on the bench.

There's a couple of them left, too.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 26, 2013, 01:46:37 PM
The Nets 9 man rotation is now set.  Gotta say, I really like this roster.  Good blend of scoring (inside-outside), perimeter defense, rebounding and solid bench play.

Head Coach: Phil Jackson

 C: Brook Lopez / Andray Blatche
PF: Carlos Boozer / Udonis Haslem
SF: Dorell Wright / Matt Barnes
SG: Kobe Bryant / Jason Terry
PG: George Hill / Jason Terry


TP for your thoughts!  ;D

It's a nice lineup and the pieces definitely complement each other well.  Very strong team that will probably be near the top of the East.

I think your biggest issue will be ball movement, except for whichever week Kobe decides he wants to read stories about how unselfish he's become.  You may also have some problems with wing defense - Wright has never been known as a defender and Barnes plays hard but is starting to lose a step.

Yeah, I think the front court defense in general is pretty weak.  Lopez blocks shots, but is generally a pretty soft defender.  Boozer is below-average as a defensive power forward (and that's when he's giving effort), and Wright has traditionally been pretty bad (although I haven't watched much this year).

There's a ton of talent there, though, and if Kobe will defer to his teammates at all, the team should be successful.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 26, 2013, 01:48:15 PM
After round 7

PG: Ricky Rubio, Raymond Felton
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Paul Pierce, Alonzo Gee
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, Marreese Speights
C: Deandre Jordan, Dejaun Blair

Thoughts? What should I be looking for in be next couple rounds?
Tough back court. One guy that couldn't hit the building with a ball if he tried and another that can't spell pass never mind doing it. I actually like Felton more as a PG than Rubio.

Mid seed playoff team to me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 26, 2013, 01:48:55 PM
The Nets 9 man rotation is now set.  Gotta say, I really like this roster.  Good blend of scoring (inside-outside), perimeter defense, rebounding and solid bench play.

Head Coach: Phil Jackson

 C: Brook Lopez / Andray Blatche
PF: Carlos Boozer / Udonis Haslem
SF: Dorell Wright / Matt Barnes
SG: Kobe Bryant / Jason Terry
PG: George Hill / Jason Terry


TP for your thoughts!  ;D

Your top seven (starters plus Terry/Blatche) are hugely talented offensively.

A very strong offensive ball club.

I don't think there is enough defense there to go along with that high powered offense to make the Nets a title threat though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 26, 2013, 02:06:50 PM
No picks today, but I'd be interested to hear what sorts of trades (if any) we should be looking at to improve Portland's roster.

Head Coach: Frank Vogel

PG: D. Lillard, R. Sessions
SG: T. Sefolosha, [R. Sessions]
SF: N. Batum, K. Singler
PF: L. Aldridge, B. Bass
C:  J. Valanciunas, N. Collison

Four picks remaining (8.13, 9.17, 10.17, 11.17), and just over $20 mil in payroll available to spend.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 26, 2013, 02:10:30 PM
The Nets 9 man rotation is now set.  Gotta say, I really like this roster.  Good blend of scoring (inside-outside), perimeter defense, rebounding and solid bench play.

Head Coach: Phil Jackson

 C: Brook Lopez / Andray Blatche
PF: Carlos Boozer / Udonis Haslem
SF: Dorell Wright / Matt Barnes
SG: Kobe Bryant / Jason Terry
PG: George Hill / Jason Terry


TP for your thoughts!  ;D

Your top seven (starters plus Terry/Blatche) are hugely talented offensively.

A very strong offensive ball club.

I don't think there is enough defense there to go along with that high powered offense to make the Nets a title threat though.

Sure, I don't pretend it's the strongest defensive team in the world.  It's good enough, in my opinion, to keep teams at bay.  There won't be very many nights this team scores under 100.

Just looking at the main competition in the East (Knicks/Heat), and those teams weaknesses (guard play + front court depth), I feel I can expose those weaknesses more than they could expose mine.

Defending LeBron/Melo will be my toughest chore.  Wright, while not known as a defender, has the physical tools.  Mostly, he has lacked focus.  Having the opportunity to play for a contender changes a player's focus quite often.  Wright has actually put up respectable defensive numbers in certain years/situations.  Barnes, while not what he once was, is actually having a really good year this season, with very solid defense numbers.

If all else fails guarding LeBron/Melo, I could always just go with my best back-court lineup (Terry/Hill/Kobe), and test Kobe's mettle against either.  Very few challenges has Kobe ever failed to meet.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 26, 2013, 02:18:48 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 26, 2013, 02:23:31 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season

Definitely one of the teams with the brightest future.  By my count, you have 6 young guys who are all rotation-level ,at minimum , and probably at least 2 future all-stars in that group.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 26, 2013, 02:45:39 PM



Warriors  (26.05 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG DeShawn Stevenson
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
SG Marco Belinelli
PF Landry
C  Zaza
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 26, 2013, 02:50:32 PM
Rotation is starting to take shape:

PG Conley
SG Foye
SF Carmelo
PF Millsap
C Chandler

Bench:

Aaron Brooks
Jimmy Butler
Ed Davis
Jermaine O'Neal

Still need another wing but I feel like this is shaping up to be a very dangerous team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 26, 2013, 03:00:32 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season

Definitely one of the teams with the brightest future.  By my count, you have 6 young guys who are all rotation-level ,at minimum , and probably at least 2 future all-stars in that group.

I see Beal and DMC as all stars, with MKG having the potential to be better then Luol Deng whos been an all star. While Thad Young and Lawson could be a tier below
With Sully also on the bench waiting I think my team in the future could be amazing
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 26, 2013, 03:04:24 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season

I'd say it's you or Portland for team of the future, though Portland is closer to real contention.  Maybe he can be the team of 2015 and you could be the team of 2017.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 26, 2013, 03:07:44 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season

I'd say it's you or Portland for team of the future, though Portland is closer to real contention.  Maybe he can be the team of 2015 and you could be the team of 2017.


Excuse me?




Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 26, 2013, 03:08:36 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season
Nice young team. It isn't making the playoffs for some years but a nice young core.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 26, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
Rotation is starting to take shape:

PG Conley
SG Foye
SF Carmelo
PF Millsap
C Chandler

Bench:

Aaron Brooks
Jimmy Butler
Ed Davis
Jermaine O'Neal

Still need another wing but I feel like this is shaping up to be a very dangerous team.
One of the top two teams in the East. Still don't know if Melo has what it takes to lead a team to a title though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 26, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season

I'd say it's you or Portland for team of the future, though Portland is closer to real contention.  Maybe he can be the team of 2015 and you could be the team of 2017.

What?

Irving/Lil Zeke
Stephenson/Ellington
Harrison Barnes
Ryan Anderson/Greg Smith
Andrew Bynum/Tyler Zeller/Greg Smith

You shush. You all shush right now.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 26, 2013, 03:14:05 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season

I'd say it's you or Portland for team of the future, though Portland is closer to real contention.  Maybe he can be the team of 2015 and you could be the team of 2017.

What?

Irving/Lil Zeke
Stephenson/Ellington
Harrison Barnes
Ryan Anderson/Greg Smith
Andrew Bynum/Tyler Zeller/Greg Smith

You shush. You all shush right now.


In your future, are there massive cybernetic implants for both knees and heart to fix Bynum?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on February 26, 2013, 03:14:31 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season

I'd say it's you or Portland for team of the future, though Portland is closer to real contention.  Maybe he can be the team of 2015 and you could be the team of 2017.

What?

Irving/Lil Zeke
Stephenson/Ellington
Harrison Barnes
Ryan Anderson/Greg Smith
Andrew Bynum/Tyler Zeller/Greg Smith

You shush. You all shush right now.

Yeah, when Bynum finally has a healthy season, your team is going to be as strong as any of the younger teams.

I'd say Edgar has a very strong young team, too.  It doesn't hurt to have a 24 year old former MVP leading the rebuilding.

D. Favors
Big Al / L. Scola
E. Turner / D. Williams
G. Henderson / A. Rivers
D. Rose / L. Ridnour

No idea what the depth chart is, and I don't like the Rivers pick.  However, Favors + Turner + Williams has huge upside, Big Al is a great post player, and Henderson is a solid young guy.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 26, 2013, 03:15:42 PM
Ok, ok, all 4 all 5 of you, and anyone else I've forgotten, are the one and only Team of the Future.  Please affix this to your team logo to signify that you've been awarded this honor:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5E7ocgwEpk8/TQFkEF1DPvI/AAAAAAAAAng/V4Jj9kMedxA/s1600/Green+Participant+Ribbon.jpg)


(I still do like Portland and Denver best though)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 26, 2013, 03:24:55 PM
Rotation is starting to take shape:

PG Conley
SG Foye
SF Carmelo
PF Millsap
C Chandler

Bench:

Aaron Brooks
Jimmy Butler
Ed Davis
Jermaine O'Neal

Still need another wing but I feel like this is shaping up to be a very dangerous team.

You stole Jermaine from me, therefore your team sucks.

But seriously, this is an excellent team provided you can shore up your SG position.  Butler can get minutes there but is young and inconsistent, Foye isn't a starter-caliber player in my opinion, and the pickings are getting pretty slim on the draft board.  If you can find a good fit there, though, this is a title contender.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 03:27:04 PM
How was Drew Gooden for an add?

Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 26, 2013, 03:31:28 PM
How was Drew Gooden for an add?

Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million)

I'm not sure what Gooden provides that you don't already have.  He's a decent rebounder, but you have rebounding.  He doesn't really do anything else at a high level.  He doesn't make you better on offense or defense.

Add that to the fact that he hasn't even played much this year.  He's buried on Milwaukee's bench.  I think there's probably a reason for that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 26, 2013, 03:36:37 PM
How was Drew Gooden for an add?

Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million)

I'm not sure what Gooden provides that you don't already have.  He's a decent rebounder, but you have rebounding.  He doesn't really do anything else at a high level.  He doesn't make you better on offense or defense.

Add that to the fact that he hasn't even played much this year.  He's buried on Milwaukee's bench.  I think there's probably a reason for that.

Gooden is a very good jump-shooter with range all the way to out to 20-22 feet.

Asik can't make a shot outside of 6-8+ feet.

Gooden gives them a different look offensively alongside Z-Bo plus an able replacement for Z-Bo when Z-Bo goes to the bench. It would have been better if Memphis could've gotten a better defender at PF to slot next to Z.Randolph but offensively Gooden should work well with Z-Bo.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 26, 2013, 03:38:08 PM
Rotation is starting to take shape:

PG Conley
SG Foye
SF Carmelo
PF Millsap
C Chandler

Bench:

Aaron Brooks
Jimmy Butler
Ed Davis
Jermaine O'Neal

Still need another wing but I feel like this is shaping up to be a very dangerous team.

You stole Jermaine from me, therefore your team sucks.

But seriously, this is an excellent team provided you can shore up your SG position.  Butler can get minutes there but is young and inconsistent, Foye isn't a starter-caliber player in my opinion, and the pickings are getting pretty slim on the draft board.  If you can find a good fit there, though, this is a title contender.

2 is our weak spot for sure, but Foye's started over 2/3rd of his games since his rookie year.  I wouldn't call him a great starter but he's serviceable, especially as a 5th option.  We just need him to keep the floor spaced with his 3s and not get embarrassed on D or Butler comes in early. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 03:38:25 PM
How was Drew Gooden for an add?

Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million)

I'm not sure what Gooden provides that you don't already have.  He's a decent rebounder, but you have rebounding.  He doesn't really do anything else at a high level.  He doesn't make you better on offense or defense.

Add that to the fact that he hasn't even played much this year.  He's buried on Milwaukee's bench.  I think there's probably a reason for that.

Their whole team is screwed up because of how many bigs they have. They have like a rotation for who sits and who doesn't (they want to play their young guys), but with my team, he should have a good chance of playing more. I think ZBo-Asik-Gooden is a great Frontcourt rotation, but correct me if I'm wrong. :P
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 26, 2013, 03:49:16 PM
How was Drew Gooden for an add?

Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million)

I'm not sure what Gooden provides that you don't already have.  He's a decent rebounder, but you have rebounding.  He doesn't really do anything else at a high level.  He doesn't make you better on offense or defense.

Add that to the fact that he hasn't even played much this year.  He's buried on Milwaukee's bench.  I think there's probably a reason for that.

Their whole team is screwed up because of how many bigs they have. They have like a rotation for who sits and who doesn't (they want to play their young guys), but with my team, he should have a good chance of playing more. I think ZBo-Asik-Gooden is a great Frontcourt rotation, but correct me if I'm wrong. :P

I just don't see him as a rotation-worthy player at this point in his career.  He's a terrible defender, inefficient for a big on offense and is being bypassed in the rotation by such stalwarts as John Henson and Ekpe Udoh.

Like I said, he's not playing and there's a reason for it. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 26, 2013, 04:13:51 PM
Could be due to a small sample size, but shocked to see Gooden is a -22 PER at Center.

http://www.82games.com/1213/12MIL13.HTM
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 26, 2013, 07:15:47 PM
Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Brandon Bass ($6.00 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)

There's the big I wanted. Brandon Bass joins the Grizz, thoughts? A jump-shooting big to spread the floor.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 26, 2013, 07:21:33 PM
Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Brandon Bass ($6.00 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)

There's the big I wanted. Brandon Bass joins the Grizz, thoughts? A jump-shooting big to spread the floor.

What was the trade to get Bass?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 26, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
Brandon Jennings/Jimmer Freddette
Kevin Martin/Ray Allen
Shawn Marion/Al Farouq Aminu
J.J Hickson/Reggie Evans
Nikola Pekovic/7.28/8.9

Be Jealous  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 26, 2013, 07:22:33 PM
Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Brandon Bass ($6.00 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)

There's the big I wanted. Brandon Bass joins the Grizz, thoughts? A jump-shooting big to spread the floor.

What was the trade to get Bass?

7.15
8.15
for
Bass
11th round
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 26, 2013, 07:23:02 PM
Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Brandon Bass ($6.00 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)

There's the big I wanted. Brandon Bass joins the Grizz, thoughts? A jump-shooting big to spread the floor.

What was the trade to get Bass?

Pending confirmation.

To ronaldo: good guess, but wrong.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 26, 2013, 07:24:57 PM
Memphis Grizzlies

Coach: Gregg Popovich

PG: Greivis Vásquez ($1.19 million), Andre Miller ($5.00 million)
SG: Klay Thompson ($2.22 million)
SF: Jeff Green ($8.38 million), Caron Butler ($8.00 million)
PF: Zach Randolph ($16.50 million), Brandon Bass ($6.00 million)
C: Omer Asik ($8.37 million), Drew Gooden ($6.69 million)

There's the big I wanted. Brandon Bass joins the Grizz, thoughts? A jump-shooting big to spread the floor.

What was the trade to get Bass?

7.15
8.15
for
Bass
11th round

Nevermind.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 12:05:26 PM
Well this is probably the rotation players for the Lakers

Lakers

Starters

PG: Deron Williams               17.3/3.2/7.7/42%/37%/86%
SG: JJ Redick                          15.1/2.4/4.4/45%/39%/90%
SF: Metta World Peace          12.7/5.5/1.5/40%/35%/74%
PF: Andrei Kirilenko                13.1/6.0/2.9/51%/31%/77%
C: Dwight Howard                  16.3/11.9/1.5/58%/25%/49%

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter                10.5/5.8/1.5/60%/0O%/74%
SF: Mike Dunleavy                   11.1/3.9/2.0/46%/43%/81%
PG: Devin Harris                      8.8/1.9/2.7/44%/35%/72?
SG: CJ Miles                            11.1/2.6/0.9/41%/38%/93%
C/PF: Brandon Wright             6.9/3.3/0.5/62%/00%/62%

Total Salary                       $79,350,000
Salary Cap Remaining   $19,950,000


PPG/RPG/APG/FG%/3PT%/FT%
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 27, 2013, 12:11:32 PM
After 8: Chicago Bulls

PG: Monta Ellis     /  Chauncey Billups
SG: Andre Iguodala  /  Brandon Rush
SF: Luol Deng       /  Draymond Green
PF: Glen Davis      /  Elton Brand
C : Joakim Noah     /  Jason Smith

Smith and Monta will take over starting PF and backup SG duties until Baby and BRush is healthy.

Oh yeah, I like this VERY NICE!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 27, 2013, 12:14:18 PM
Well this is probably the rotation players for the Lakers

Lakers

Starters

PG: Deron Williams               17.3/3.2/7.7/42%/37%/86%
SG: JJ Redick                          15.1/2.4/4.4/45%/39%/90%
SF: Metta World Peace          12.7/5.5/1.5/40%/35%/74%
PF: Andrei Kirilenko                13.1/6.0/2.9/51%/31%/77%
C: Dwight Howard                  16.3/11.9/1.5/58%/25%/49%

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter                10.5/5.8/1.5/60%/0O%/74%
SF: Mike Dunleavy                   11.1/3.9/2.0/46%/43%/81%
PG: Devin Harris                      8.8/1.9/2.7/44%/35%/72?
SG: CJ Miles                            11.1/2.6/0.9/41%/38%/93%
C/PF: Brandon Wright             6.9/3.3/0.5/62%/00%/62%

Total Salary                       $79,350,000
Salary Cap Remaining   $19,950,000


PPG/RPG/APG/FG%/3PT%/FT%

Just me, but I'd star CJ Miles over Metta. A tad bit of a better shooter, and more active on the offensive end than Artest.

My only problem with this lineup, you have two Coach Killers in it. Coaches would be scared to take this job.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 01:06:51 PM
Well this is probably the rotation players for the Lakers

Lakers

Starters

PG: Deron Williams               17.3/3.2/7.7/42%/37%/86%
SG: JJ Redick                          15.1/2.4/4.4/45%/39%/90%
SF: Metta World Peace          12.7/5.5/1.5/40%/35%/74%
PF: Andrei Kirilenko                13.1/6.0/2.9/51%/31%/77%
C: Dwight Howard                  16.3/11.9/1.5/58%/25%/49%

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter                10.5/5.8/1.5/60%/0O%/74%
SF: Mike Dunleavy                   11.1/3.9/2.0/46%/43%/81%
PG: Devin Harris                      8.8/1.9/2.7/44%/35%/72?
SG: CJ Miles                            11.1/2.6/0.9/41%/38%/93%
C/PF: Brandon Wright             6.9/3.3/0.5/62%/00%/62%

Total Salary                       $79,350,000
Salary Cap Remaining   $19,950,000


PPG/RPG/APG/FG%/3PT%/FT%

Just me, but I'd star CJ Miles over Metta. A tad bit of a better shooter, and more active on the offensive end than Artest.

My only problem with this lineup, you have two Coach Killers in it. Coaches would be scared to take this job.
Peace stays as a starter. I want his elite perimeter defense out there as much as possible. Also, I like Dunleavy better as an all around player at backup SF than I do Miles.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 27, 2013, 02:51:28 PM
Signature:

SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins  9.1 10.1 11.1
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88) Kyle Singler(1.00)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Kris Humphries(12)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25) Marcus Camby(4.59)
Cap used: 65.91 Total: 70.3


Thought?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 27, 2013, 02:52:46 PM
Atlanta hawks (Salary 64.92/70.3 mill)


C:  Al horford (12), Robin Lopez (4.8 )
PF: Kevin Love (13.6), Kenyon Martin 854K
SF: Danny Granger (13), Landry Fields (6.2)
SG: Ronnie Brewer 854K, Shaun Livingston 774K
PG: Jose Calderon (10.5), Kemba Walker (2.4)

9.5, 9.16, 9.22, 11.5
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 27, 2013, 03:25:39 PM
Lineup, with Bynum:

K Irving/I Thomas
L Stephenson/W Ellington
H Barnes/T Harris/W Ellington
R Anderson/T Harris/G Smith
A Bynum/T Zeller/G Smith

Without Bynum:

K Irving/I Thomas
L Stephenson/W Ellington
H Barnes/T Harris/W Ellington
R Anderson/T Harris/
G Smith/ T Zeller

Without Bynum, the team is obviously a lot less dangerous. But, I feel really good about my prospects as a 2k13 franchise, really good about my future prospects as a fake team in an imaginary celticsblog league, and not despondent about my odds of making the playoffs as a low seed.

With Bynum I see no issue with getting to the playoffs, and possibly making a little noise there.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 27, 2013, 03:26:20 PM
So I've broken down the rosters for the teams in the East, and here are the rankings I've come up with (for this season).


1. Knicks
2. Nets
3. Heat
4. Celtics
5. Hawks
6. Bulls
7. Wizards
8. Pacers


I think the Knicks have the most well rounded team overall.  Not really any major holes, and all their players are healthy (I think).  I'm not conceding my Nets would lose, however, in a H2H matchup.

I had to penalize the Heat slightly, as the overall back-court situation is a little weak, and the two best players in the back-court are currently injured.  The Bulls, Hawks and Wizards also were penalized for injuries.  If any of these teams gets their injured players back, I'd move them past the Celtics.

The team sitting on the outside looking in, is the Bucks.  If Gasol (Wizards) is unable to come back healthy, I'd probably knock them down a bit, and slide the Bucks into the 8th spot.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 27, 2013, 03:53:59 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0

Your future, we haz it.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 27, 2013, 03:55:22 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0

Your future, we haz it.

You take East, we'll take West.

I think we might also have the future's future.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 27, 2013, 03:57:13 PM
So I've broken down the rosters for the teams in the East, and here are the rankings I've come up with (for this season).


1. Knicks
2. Nets
3. Heat
4. Celtics
5. Hawks
6. Bulls
7. Wizards
8. Pacers


I think the Knicks have the most well rounded team overall.  Not really any major holes, and all their players are healthy (I think).  I'm not conceding my Nets would lose, however, in a H2H matchup.

I had to penalize the Heat slightly, as the overall back-court situation is a little weak, and the two best players in the back-court are currently injured.  The Bulls, Hawks and Wizards also were penalized for injuries.  If any of these teams gets their injured players back, I'd move them past the Celtics.

The team sitting on the outside looking in, is the Bucks.  If Gasol (Wizards) is unable to come back healthy, I'd probably knock them down a bit, and slide the Bucks into the 8th spot.

The Bucks and their two All-Stars are insulted.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 27, 2013, 04:01:54 PM
Well this is probably the rotation players for the Lakers

Lakers

Starters

PG: Deron Williams               17.3/3.2/7.7/42%/37%/86%
SG: JJ Redick                          15.1/2.4/4.4/45%/39%/90%
SF: Metta World Peace          12.7/5.5/1.5/40%/35%/74%
PF: Andrei Kirilenko                13.1/6.0/2.9/51%/31%/77%
C: Dwight Howard                  16.3/11.9/1.5/58%/25%/49%

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter                10.5/5.8/1.5/60%/0O%/74%
SF: Mike Dunleavy                   11.1/3.9/2.0/46%/43%/81%
PG: Devin Harris                      8.8/1.9/2.7/44%/35%/72?
SG: CJ Miles                            11.1/2.6/0.9/41%/38%/93%
C/PF: Brandon Wright             6.9/3.3/0.5/62%/00%/62%

Total Salary                       $79,350,000
Salary Cap Remaining   $19,950,000


PPG/RPG/APG/FG%/3PT%/FT%

Some great talent, but I don't like that you don't have any jump-shooting bigs off the bench.  Splitter, Wright - not the kind of guys I would play next to Howard.  Neither has a perimeter game.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 27, 2013, 04:07:27 PM
So I've broken down the rosters for the teams in the East, and here are the rankings I've come up with (for this season).


1. Knicks
2. Nets
3. Heat
4. Celtics
5. Hawks
6. Bulls
7. Wizards
8. Pacers


I think the Knicks have the most well rounded team overall.  Not really any major holes, and all their players are healthy (I think).  I'm not conceding my Nets would lose, however, in a H2H matchup.

I had to penalize the Heat slightly, as the overall back-court situation is a little weak, and the two best players in the back-court are currently injured.  The Bulls, Hawks and Wizards also were penalized for injuries.  If any of these teams gets their injured players back, I'd move them past the Celtics.

The team sitting on the outside looking in, is the Bucks.  If Gasol (Wizards) is unable to come back healthy, I'd probably knock them down a bit, and slide the Bucks into the 8th spot.

Interesting. I like it.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 27, 2013, 04:10:38 PM
Think I got my Regular Season Rotation Down.

Jeremy Lin (30) / Jason Kidd (18)
JR Smith (30) / Jason Kidd (7) / Jared Dudley (11)
Jared Dudley (24) / Shane Battier (24)
Kevin Garnett (30) / Chris Kaman (7) / Epke Udoh (11)
Tim Duncan (30) / Chris Kaman (18)

Positions can get a little shuffled but those are the minutes you're looking at.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 27, 2013, 04:13:35 PM
I'm going to go the wayward path and make some unexpected signings ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 27, 2013, 04:17:57 PM
Think I got my Regular Season Rotation Down.

Jeremy Lin (30) / Jason Kidd (18)
JR Smith (30) / Jason Kidd (7) / Jared Dudley (11)
Jared Dudley (24) / Shane Battier (24)
Kevin Garnett (30) / Chris Kaman (7) / Epke Udoh (11)
Tim Duncan (30) / Chris Kaman (18)

Positions can get a little shuffled but those are the minutes you're looking at.

Looks like a whole lotta suck and then KG and Timmy
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 27, 2013, 04:18:44 PM
Someone do some West standings, hehe
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 27, 2013, 04:20:25 PM
Someone do some West standings, hehe

 ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 27, 2013, 04:23:08 PM
Maybe I'll do one. Lemme get all the team rosters *wastes hours and hours*
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 27, 2013, 04:25:02 PM
2013 Pick 2 OKC Thunder ($16.46 cap space)

PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil) Jamal Crawford ($5 mil)
SG: Alexey Shved ($2.93 mil) Keith Bogans ($1mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil)
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($5.25 mil)

Coach: Paul Westphal

Might start Bogans over Shved now. Still need another sf and another bruiser at C
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 27, 2013, 04:32:42 PM
2013 Pick 2 OKC Thunder ($16.46 cap space)

PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil) Jamal Crawford ($5 mil)
SG: Alexey Shved ($2.93 mil) Keith Bogans ($1mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil)
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($5.25 mil)

Coach: Paul Westphal

Might start Bogans over Shved now. Still need another sf and another bruiser at C

Don't like like your shooting guard situation at all, everything else is good..also check your PMs please
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 27, 2013, 04:37:09 PM
So I've broken down the rosters for the teams in the East, and here are the rankings I've come up with (for this season).


1. Knicks
2. Nets
3. Heat
4. Celtics
5. Hawks
6. Bulls
7. Wizards
8. Pacers


I think the Knicks have the most well rounded team overall.  Not really any major holes, and all their players are healthy (I think).  I'm not conceding my Nets would lose, however, in a H2H matchup.

I had to penalize the Heat slightly, as the overall back-court situation is a little weak, and the two best players in the back-court are currently injured.  The Bulls, Hawks and Wizards also were penalized for injuries.  If any of these teams gets their injured players back, I'd move them past the Celtics.

The team sitting on the outside looking in, is the Bucks.  If Gasol (Wizards) is unable to come back healthy, I'd probably knock them down a bit, and slide the Bucks into the 8th spot.

I can roll with this.  I'm pretty proud of the fact that I turned the freakin' Wizards into a darkhorse contender.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 27, 2013, 04:43:33 PM
2013 Pick 2 OKC Thunder ($16.46 cap space)

PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil) Jamal Crawford ($5 mil)
SG: Alexey Shved ($2.93 mil) Keith Bogans ($1mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil)
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($5.25 mil)

Coach: Paul Westphal

Might start Bogans over Shved now. Still need another sf and another bruiser at C

Not sure what Shved gives you. I think you'd be better served by a shooting specialist as a counterbalance to Bogans/Crawford.

Also, if by bruiser, you mean a hulk, I am not sure I agree. I think a strong but mobile 4/5 type would be better than a lumbering 7-footer. You have Perk as the enforcer. Find another energetic big like JT who can clean glass and run the floor, and outrun your opposition.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 27, 2013, 05:06:09 PM
2013 Pick 2 OKC Thunder ($16.46 cap space)

PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil) Jamal Crawford ($5 mil)
SG: Alexey Shved ($2.93 mil) Keith Bogans ($1mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil)
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($5.25 mil)

Coach: Paul Westphal

Might start Bogans over Shved now. Still need another sf and another bruiser at C

Yes, I would start Bogans. Give him 15-20mpg.

I would run Shved as my backup PG (10-15mpg) and Crawford (25-30mpg) as my backup SG.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 27, 2013, 05:18:39 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0

Your future, we haz it.

Do you think a team without a dominant perimeter player can ever really contend?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
2013 Pick 2 OKC Thunder ($16.46 cap space)

PG: Jrue Holiday ($2.67 mil) Jamal Crawford ($5 mil)
SG: Alexey Shved ($2.93 mil) Keith Bogans ($1mil)
SF: Kevin Durant ($16.67 mil)
PF: Josh Smith ($13.20 mil)
C: Kendrick Perkins ($7.12 mil), Jason Thompson ($5.25 mil)

Coach: Paul Westphal

Might start Bogans over Shved now. Still need another sf and another bruiser at C
Except for SG, a great starting five. But you still have Perk starting and nothing good at SG and zero depth behind Durant and Smith. I think given how many very good teams have finished out their rotational players, its only fair to allow you to fill your rotation out before comparing this to others.

Right now, its a very good to contending squad. Reminds me a bit of the OKC squads just before and after Harden got there. Had to get that SG and develop the depth. Good, just not there yet. Of course if OKC fills in some great depth and gets an actual starting quality SG, then they are one of the best in this exercise.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 27, 2013, 05:20:44 PM
Ok so I've battled off my cold and feeling pretty good.  Time to get up on the chopping block.

Indiana Pacers

PG: Steve Nash / Kirk Hinrich
SG: Paul George / Tony Allen
SF: Arron Afflalo / Tony Allen
PF: Antwan Jamison / Lamar Odom / Patrick Patterson
C:  Roy Hibbert / Chris Wilcox / Patrick Patterson


Some input on who you'd start at the 4 would be great. I was really enamoured with Patterson, but if he can't play more than 10 minutes for the Kings I'm not sure if he should be getting big minutes on a fringe playoff team.  Also, Afflalo at the 3 or George?

I might be wrong here, but this squad kind of reminds me of the current Houston Rockets.  Maybe a bit less offense and a touch more defense. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 27, 2013, 05:22:12 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0

Your future, we haz it.

Do you think a team without a dominant perimeter player can ever really contend?


Unless you're counting on Andrea "Useless" Bargnani ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 27, 2013, 05:29:28 PM
How's it look guys?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 27, 2013, 05:31:20 PM
Ok so I've battled off my cold and feeling pretty good.  Time to get up on the chopping block.

Indiana Pacers

PG: Steve Nash / Kirk Hinrich
SG: Paul George / Tony Allen
SF: Arron Afflalo / Tony Allen
PF: Antwan Jamison / Lamar Odom / Patrick Patterson
C:  Roy Hibbert / Chris Wilcox / Patrick Patterson


Some input on who you'd start at the 4 would be great. I was really enamoured with Patterson, but if he can't play more than 10 minutes for the Kings I'm not sure if he should be getting big minutes on a fringe playoff team.  Also, Afflalo at the 3 or George?

I might be wrong here, but this squad kind of reminds me of the current Houston Rockets.  Maybe a bit less offense and a touch more defense.

Afflalo at SG, George at SF.

I feel better about Jamison and Odom as 6th men than as starters. Is there anything left on the board (overpriced, likely) that could work as an option?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 05:37:23 PM
Think I got my Regular Season Rotation Down.

Jeremy Lin (30) / Jason Kidd (18)
JR Smith (30) / Jason Kidd (7) / Jared Dudley (11)
Jared Dudley (24) / Shane Battier (24)
Kevin Garnett (30) / Chris Kaman (7) / Epke Udoh (11)
Tim Duncan (30) / Chris Kaman (18)

Positions can get a little shuffled but those are the minutes you're looking at.
I love the front court but question the addition of Kaman as TD and KG really aren't playing too much PF at the moment. I could see some problems with fast, athletic, perimeter PFs and how this team would cope with them. Bron, Melo, Smith, Love, etc will go bonkers as soon as your rotation goes TD and Kaman. I thought a more traditional PF would have worked better as an addition.

I like the Battier/Dudley platoon probably a lot more than most but the back court is just...yuck. If Lin isn't brilliant or Smith not going 6 for 9 from long range without somehow disrupting everyone else's rhythm every night, then you ain't winning a lot of games in this league.




Still would pay money every night to watch this team for the entertainment value alone.

- First, how good would the KG/TD front court defense be by mid season going into the playoffs? Wow!

- How long before KG just clocks Smith after taking yet another 28 footer with 18 seconds left on the shot clock?

- Just how fast could a brilliant kid like Lin learn from two of the best player role models you would ever want to be around? Could their influence over a year transform Lin into something more?

- Dudley, Battier, TD, KG, Kaman, Udoh, Lin, Kidd. They're just a bunch of seemingly decent and good guys to cheer for. It would be easy to fall in love with this team, win or lose.

- Besides you are the Celtics!!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 27, 2013, 05:37:39 PM
Ok so I've battled off my cold and feeling pretty good.  Time to get up on the chopping block.

Indiana Pacers

PG: Steve Nash / Kirk Hinrich
SG: Paul George / Tony Allen
SF: Arron Afflalo / Tony Allen
PF: Antwan Jamison / Lamar Odom / Patrick Patterson
C:  Roy Hibbert / Chris Wilcox / Patrick Patterson


Some input on who you'd start at the 4 would be great. I was really enamoured with Patterson, but if he can't play more than 10 minutes for the Kings I'm not sure if he should be getting big minutes on a fringe playoff team.  Also, Afflalo at the 3 or George?

I might be wrong here, but this squad kind of reminds me of the current Houston Rockets.  Maybe a bit less offense and a touch more defense.

I think Jamison is finished. I would relegate him to end of the bench.

I would start P.Patterson at PF due to his superior jump-shooting ability and floor spacing over Lamar Odom who is the superior defender/rebounder. I think Patterson's shooting will help open up the floor for Steve Nash's playmaking as well as for George and Hibbert.

I like Odom and Wilcox as backup bigs. TA as the main backup wing.

Not wild about Hinrich but he'll be okay. I think more of a playmaking PG would be better behind Nash than a defender with a limited offensive game.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 27, 2013, 05:38:57 PM
Ok so I've battled off my cold and feeling pretty good.  Time to get up on the chopping block.

Indiana Pacers

PG: Steve Nash / Kirk Hinrich
SG: Paul George / Tony Allen
SF: Arron Afflalo / Tony Allen
PF: Antwan Jamison / Lamar Odom / Patrick Patterson
C:  Roy Hibbert / Chris Wilcox / Patrick Patterson


Some input on who you'd start at the 4 would be great. I was really enamoured with Patterson, but if he can't play more than 10 minutes for the Kings I'm not sure if he should be getting big minutes on a fringe playoff team.  Also, Afflalo at the 3 or George?

I might be wrong here, but this squad kind of reminds me of the current Houston Rockets.  Maybe a bit less offense and a touch more defense.

Definitely start Patterson.  He works hard, throws his body around in the paint, plays solid defense and plays within his abilities.  Good fifth starter. 

Play George at the 3.  He's capable at either wing position, while Afflalo is more of a 2. 

Not fond of the way Nash fits in here.  I feel like you're a defense-first team, building for the future around George, Hibbert and Afflalo.  Nash is a win-now player who can't defend anybody.  I might shop around and try to swap him for a nice building block. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 05:43:25 PM
Ok so I've battled off my cold and feeling pretty good.  Time to get up on the chopping block.

Indiana Pacers

PG: Steve Nash / Kirk Hinrich
SG: Paul George / Tony Allen
SF: Arron Afflalo / Tony Allen
PF: Antwan Jamison / Lamar Odom / Patrick Patterson
C:  Roy Hibbert / Chris Wilcox / Patrick Patterson


Some input on who you'd start at the 4 would be great. I was really enamoured with Patterson, but if he can't play more than 10 minutes for the Kings I'm not sure if he should be getting big minutes on a fringe playoff team.  Also, Afflalo at the 3 or George?

I might be wrong here, but this squad kind of reminds me of the current Houston Rockets.  Maybe a bit less offense and a touch more defense.
Start George at his more natural SF spot and Afflalo at his more natural SG spot. Add some depth at SF. It really doesn't matter whether he is a specialty type or just good all around player, just get some more. I would also start Patterson, bring Jamison off the bench and play him alongside Odom who is the backup center. Jamoson/Odom/George/Afflalo/Nash would put up a huge amount of points as a set in a rotation.

Overall really good team. Probably as good as the current squad.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 27, 2013, 05:48:41 PM
Ok so I've battled off my cold and feeling pretty good.  Time to get up on the chopping block.

Indiana Pacers

PG: Steve Nash / Kirk Hinrich
SG: Paul George / Tony Allen
SF: Arron Afflalo / Tony Allen
PF: Antwan Jamison / Lamar Odom / Patrick Patterson
C:  Roy Hibbert / Chris Wilcox / Patrick Patterson


Some input on who you'd start at the 4 would be great. I was really enamoured with Patterson, but if he can't play more than 10 minutes for the Kings I'm not sure if he should be getting big minutes on a fringe playoff team.  Also, Afflalo at the 3 or George?

I might be wrong here, but this squad kind of reminds me of the current Houston Rockets.  Maybe a bit less offense and a touch more defense.

Id move Tony Allen or start him. Your reserves lack teeth when it comes to scoring. You'll need those points.

And Tony Allen should be starting somewhere, and you could use that depth elsewhere.

Also, as others have said, Paul George @ the 3, Patrick Patterson starting.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 27, 2013, 05:51:54 PM
Think I got my Regular Season Rotation Down.

Jeremy Lin (30) / Jason Kidd (18)
JR Smith (30) / Jason Kidd (7) / Jared Dudley (11)
Jared Dudley (24) / Shane Battier (24)
Kevin Garnett (30) / Chris Kaman (7) / Epke Udoh (11)
Tim Duncan (30) / Chris Kaman (18)

Positions can get a little shuffled but those are the minutes you're looking at.

I worry a bit about your collective speed / quickness.

You have a lot of players who have below average quickness for their respective position. JR Smith is really the only above average athlete in your main rotation.

I wonder how much that is going to hurt you.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 05:56:57 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0

Your future, we haz it.
Definitely a team of the future that needs time to grow. Sadly, the future might be the one ting keeping this team apart.

I was thinking of this when I put the Boxers together this year in the CB Draft. If you get 4-5 of these players that become great players, ultimately paying them and keeping them together is nearly impossible when it comes to the realities of today's salary environment.

So here we are, in an endeavor that mixes the salary with the drafting. You have a hard cap. Detroit could not afford to be hugely over the cap even if the hard cap wasn't there given the current economy in Detroit any way. So how do you keep Munroe, Drummond, Parsons and Bargnani when that future comes?

I think you have to be in the playoffs next year and contending the year after before the salary bombs start to hit and it might need to be broken up. Of course, if you aren't doing that by then, then it doesn't matter because then obviously Drummond, Parsons and Munroe won't be worth the money they might ask for.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 27, 2013, 06:00:36 PM


SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88) Kyle Singler(1.00)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Kris Humphries(12)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25) Marcus Camby(4.59)
Cap used: 65.91 Total: 70.3


Feedback on the suns please and thank you!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 27, 2013, 06:03:16 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0

Your future, we haz it.
Definitely a team of the future that needs time to grow. Sadly, the future might be the one ting keeping this team apart.

I was thinking of this when I put the Boxers together this year in the CB Draft. If you get 4-5 of these players that become great players, ultimately paying them and keeping them together is nearly impossible when it comes to the realities of today's salary environment.

So here we are, in an endeavor that mixes the salary with the drafting. You have a hard cap. Detroit could not afford to be hugely over the cap even if the hard cap wasn't there given the current economy in Detroit any way. So how do you keep Munroe, Drummond, Parsons and Bargnani when that future comes?

I think you have to be in the playoffs next year and contending the year after before the salary bombs start to hit and it might need to be broken up. Of course, if you aren't doing that by then, then it doesn't matter because then obviously Drummond, Parsons and Munroe won't be worth the money they might ask for.

I've got lots of youngins on my team as well, and I think you're overstating the connundrum. If you're going to lose a promising young player in free agency, trade him.

Lets say that Greg Smith, an affordably priced prospect and player now, developed into a 15 and 10 machine.

But, because of Bogut's and Stepheson's extensions, I don't think I'll be able to pay him.


Well the answer is easy. You package him, all the assets you whiffed on (not that I'll have any), and trade him for a promising prospect and draft picks.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 06:08:46 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0

Your future, we haz it.
Definitely a team of the future that needs time to grow. Sadly, the future might be the one ting keeping this team apart.

I was thinking of this when I put the Boxers together this year in the CB Draft. If you get 4-5 of these players that become great players, ultimately paying them and keeping them together is nearly impossible when it comes to the realities of today's salary environment.

So here we are, in an endeavor that mixes the salary with the drafting. You have a hard cap. Detroit could not afford to be hugely over the cap even if the hard cap wasn't there given the current economy in Detroit any way. So how do you keep Munroe, Drummond, Parsons and Bargnani when that future comes?

I think you have to be in the playoffs next year and contending the year after before the salary bombs start to hit and it might need to be broken up. Of course, if you aren't doing that by then, then it doesn't matter because then obviously Drummond, Parsons and Munroe won't be worth the money they might ask for.

I've got lots of youngins on my team as well, and I think you're overstating the connundrum. If you're going to lose a promising young player in free agency, trade him.

Lets say that Greg Smith, an affordably priced prospect and player now, developed into a 15 and 10 machine.

But, because of Bogut's and Stepheson's extensions, I don't think I'll be able to pay him.


Well the answer is easy. You package him, all the assets you whiffed on (not that I'll have any), and trade him for a promising prospect and draft picks.
So how do you do that without sending a message to your fans that winning it all isn't the most important thing?

In a way I think we are spoiled being fans of the C's as they have had that win it all mentality since getting here but imagine doing what you are suggesting? You suddenly you become compared to the Grizzlies who are doing the exact thing you are suggesting. I wouldn't want to be a Griz fan right now?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 27, 2013, 06:12:40 PM
Lawson
Beal/ Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young
Thad Young/ Sully
DMC / Haywood

Feel I have good depth now, with some older vets to help out the young guns.

Beal has been playing great recently as well, much better then at the beginning of the season

Have to say, this may not be the best team to come out at this point but it certainly is my favorite. You set out to rebuild and killed it. Job well done
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 27, 2013, 06:16:39 PM
Tony Parker / Nate Robinson
Danny Green / Gary Neal
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo / Ronny Turiaf

Should be above average in every phase of the game when Gasol is healthy.  Hopefully a contender.  I see it as a deep team with a lot of positional versatility. 

Parker, Gasol, Johnson and Green can all make shots.  Thompson is an energy guy who can get extra possessions and play hard defense, and he's still getting better. 

Biyombo is the primary backup C.  Turiaf is a situational guy who will play against big centers and in the even of foul trouble. 

Looking for a defensive-minded forward to use as a 12th man.  My final pick will be a project/binky with upside.  I have somebody in mind for both spots. 

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 06:17:33 PM


SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88) Kyle Singler(1.00)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Kris Humphries(12)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25) Marcus Camby(4.59)
Cap used: 65.91 Total: 70.3


Feedback on the suns please and thank you!
I keep looking at this team and still don't know what to expect. Wade gives the team instant cred but the heat before LeBron got there weren't all that great.

Of course my confusion could be coming from the fact I HATE your PFs and their current games. Its the weakest part of the current Nets team and your team doesn't have a Brooks Lopez to make up for them.

Still that Nets team doesn't have Wade either. Maybe this team's best comparison could be the current Brooklyn Nets.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 27, 2013, 06:20:02 PM
Tony Parker / Nate Robinson
Danny Green / Gary Neal
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo / Ronny Turiaf

Should be above average in every phase of the game when Gasol is healthy.  Hopefully a contender.  I see it as a deep team with a lot of positional versatility. 

Parker, Gasol, Johnson and Green can all make shots.  Thompson is an energy guy who can get extra possessions and play hard defense, and he's still getting better. 

Biyombo is the primary backup C.  Turiaf is a situational guy who will play against big centers and in the even of foul trouble. 

Looking for a defensive-minded forward to use as a 12th man.  My final pick will be a project/binky with upside.  I have somebody in mind for both spots.

PF position is weak(er). Thompson is on a bad team, and Clark is not a beast inside.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 06:23:58 PM
Tony Parker / Nate Robinson
Danny Green / Gary Neal
Joe Johnson / Carlos Delfino
Tristan Thompson / Earl Clark
Pau Gasol / Bismack Biyombo / Ronny Turiaf

Should be above average in every phase of the game when Gasol is healthy.  Hopefully a contender.  I see it as a deep team with a lot of positional versatility. 

Parker, Gasol, Johnson and Green can all make shots.  Thompson is an energy guy who can get extra possessions and play hard defense, and he's still getting better. 

Biyombo is the primary backup C.  Turiaf is a situational guy who will play against big centers and in the even of foul trouble. 

Looking for a defensive-minded forward to use as a 12th man.  My final pick will be a project/binky with upside.  I have somebody in mind for both spots.
With Gasol this is a very good team even though I am not in love with the idea of Johnson playing primarily as a small forward. He usually only plays about half his time there and from what I have seen of him this year, he's struggled when he has had to play the 3. Still, with Gasol, a playoff team.

Without Gasol, WOW!!! The youth up front is going to kill you. The team becomes lottery fodder without Gasol I am afraid.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 27, 2013, 06:25:54 PM
Ok so I've battled off my cold and feeling pretty good.  Time to get up on the chopping block.

Indiana Pacers

PG: Steve Nash / Kirk Hinrich
SG: Paul George / Tony Allen
SF: Arron Afflalo / Tony Allen
PF: Antwan Jamison / Lamar Odom / Patrick Patterson
C:  Roy Hibbert / Chris Wilcox / Patrick Patterson


Some input on who you'd start at the 4 would be great. I was really enamoured with Patterson, but if he can't play more than 10 minutes for the Kings I'm not sure if he should be getting big minutes on a fringe playoff team.  Also, Afflalo at the 3 or George?

I might be wrong here, but this squad kind of reminds me of the current Houston Rockets.  Maybe a bit less offense and a touch more defense.

Kick Jamison out of the rotation - he's too mediocre a scorer and too horrible a defender to be starting for you. Really like that you got LO for this team - someone who can rebound and play solid defense and help the pacers match-up against teams with quick, jump-shooting 5s that give Hibbert so much trouble. 

Need more playmaking.  Nash is a 30 minute guy, Paul George is still a little limited as creator and your bench is all roleplayers with major offensive limitations.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 27, 2013, 06:29:12 PM


SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88) Kyle Singler(1.00)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Kris Humphries(12)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25) Marcus Camby(4.59)
Cap used: 65.91 Total: 70.3


Feedback on the suns please and thank you!

Weak bench.  Watson is serviceable and Waiters has upside, but Humphries has greatly regressed this year, Camby doesn't have much time left, and Singler's upside is limited. 

Nice starting five, although Wallace is having a bad year.  A Wade-Gortat pick-and-roll with Dragic and Leonard spacing the floor is a fun thought. 

I don't think the team has enough depth to contend, although Wade will almost certainly drag them to the playoffs by himself.  Need more quality help off the bench.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 27, 2013, 06:31:22 PM
After 8: Chicago Bulls

PG: Monta Ellis     /  Chauncey Billups
SG: Andre Iguodala  /  Brandon Rush
SF: Luol Deng       /  Draymond Green
PF: Glen Davis      /  Elton Brand
C : Joakim Noah     /  Jason Smith

Smith and Monta will take over starting PF and backup SG duties until Baby and BRush is healthy.

Oh yeah, I like this VERY NICE!
Very talented front five that I guarantee won't make it through the year without at least one season ending injury because you are going to have to play them 45 minutes a game due to injuries and a lack of backups. My guess is Brand won't last the year playing big minutes and then Smith and Noah will have to play every minute of time at the 4 and 5.

This team needs time to get healthy in the worst way. Until then I would expect a fast start of the year and a limp into the end of the year.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on February 27, 2013, 06:38:37 PM
PF position is weak(er). Thompson is on a bad team, and Clark is not a beast inside.

So what?  Kyrie Irving's on that team too.  It doesn't mean they aren't quality players. 

Clark doesn't score inside much unless it's off of cuts, but he can play in there on defense.  He has also become a solid rebounder this year. 

With Gasol this is a very good team even though I am not in love with the idea of Johnson playing primarily as a small forward. He usually only plays about half his time there and from what I have seen of him this year, he's struggled when he has had to play the 3. Still, with Gasol, a playoff team.

Without Gasol, WOW!!! The youth up front is going to kill you. The team becomes lottery fodder without Gasol I am afraid.

You sure about the Johnson-at-the-3 part?  According to 82games.com, the Nets have been a better team this year with Johnson at the 3 than they have been with Johnson at the 2, although the numbers are pretty close.  I think he can handle it.

Agree with what you said about Gasol though.  If he can't stay healthy, I'm screwed.  But I think you could say that about almost any team that loses their second-best player.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 27, 2013, 06:46:47 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0

Your future, we haz it.
Definitely a team of the future that needs time to grow. Sadly, the future might be the one ting keeping this team apart.

I was thinking of this when I put the Boxers together this year in the CB Draft. If you get 4-5 of these players that become great players, ultimately paying them and keeping them together is nearly impossible when it comes to the realities of today's salary environment.

So here we are, in an endeavor that mixes the salary with the drafting. You have a hard cap. Detroit could not afford to be hugely over the cap even if the hard cap wasn't there given the current economy in Detroit any way. So how do you keep Munroe, Drummond, Parsons and Bargnani when that future comes?

I think you have to be in the playoffs next year and contending the year after before the salary bombs start to hit and it might need to be broken up. Of course, if you aren't doing that by then, then it doesn't matter because then obviously Drummond, Parsons and Munroe won't be worth the money they might ask for.

I've got lots of youngins on my team as well, and I think you're overstating the connundrum. If you're going to lose a promising young player in free agency, trade him.

Lets say that Greg Smith, an affordably priced prospect and player now, developed into a 15 and 10 machine.

But, because of Bogut's and Stepheson's extensions, I don't think I'll be able to pay him.


Well the answer is easy. You package him, all the assets you whiffed on (not that I'll have any), and trade him for a promising prospect and draft picks.
So how do you do that without sending a message to your fans that winning it all isn't the most important thing?

In a way I think we are spoiled being fans of the C's as they have had that win it all mentality since getting here but imagine doing what you are suggesting? You suddenly you become compared to the Grizzlies who are doing the exact thing you are suggesting. I wouldn't want to be a Griz fan right now?

The Grizzlies had to do it, the Thunder had to do it. The successful teams win anyway without regressing too much, and look to get better long-term.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 27, 2013, 06:51:15 PM
Quote from: Atzar
You sure about the Johnson-at-the-3 part?  According to 82games.com, the Nets have been a better team this year with Johnson at the 3 than they have been with Johnson at the 2, although the numbers are pretty close.  I think he can handle it.

Johnson also is less efficient at the 3 and a worse defender. I think the team numbers have more to do with the Nets supporting cast (better depth atthe 2) than with Johnson.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 27, 2013, 07:42:03 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0

Your future, we haz it.
Definitely a team of the future that needs time to grow. Sadly, the future might be the one ting keeping this team apart.

I was thinking of this when I put the Boxers together this year in the CB Draft. If you get 4-5 of these players that become great players, ultimately paying them and keeping them together is nearly impossible when it comes to the realities of today's salary environment.

So here we are, in an endeavor that mixes the salary with the drafting. You have a hard cap. Detroit could not afford to be hugely over the cap even if the hard cap wasn't there given the current economy in Detroit any way. So how do you keep Munroe, Drummond, Parsons and Bargnani when that future comes?

I think you have to be in the playoffs next year and contending the year after before the salary bombs start to hit and it might need to be broken up. Of course, if you aren't doing that by then, then it doesn't matter because then obviously Drummond, Parsons and Munroe won't be worth the money they might ask for.

I've got lots of youngins on my team as well, and I think you're overstating the connundrum. If you're going to lose a promising young player in free agency, trade him.

Lets say that Greg Smith, an affordably priced prospect and player now, developed into a 15 and 10 machine.

But, because of Bogut's and Stepheson's extensions, I don't think I'll be able to pay him.


Well the answer is easy. You package him, all the assets you whiffed on (not that I'll have any), and trade him for a promising prospect and draft picks.
So how do you do that without sending a message to your fans that winning it all isn't the most important thing?

In a way I think we are spoiled being fans of the C's as they have had that win it all mentality since getting here but imagine doing what you are suggesting? You suddenly you become compared to the Grizzlies who are doing the exact thing you are suggesting. I wouldn't want to be a Griz fan right now?

The Grizzlies had to do it, the Thunder had to do it. The successful teams win anyway without regressing too much, and look to get better long-term.


The other thing is Chandler is locked in at under a million until after 2015. Monroe's qualifying offer in 2015 is only 5.4 and Drummond is locked up at under 4 until 2016. meanwhile, cap'n jack's salary is off the books this year, Bargs is off thew books in 2015 and Stuckey's money is Unguaranteed next year. So I have both time to see if this core is working and plenty of money to spend on them if it is.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on February 27, 2013, 08:01:14 PM
I think Jamison is finished. I would relegate him to end of the bench.

I would start P.Patterson at PF due to his superior jump-shooting ability and floor spacing over Lamar Odom who is the superior defender/rebounder. I think Patterson's shooting


Kick Jamison out of the rotation - he's too mediocre a scorer and too horrible a defender to be starting for you. Really like that you got LO for this team - someone who can rebound and play solid defense and help the pacers match-up against teams with quick, jump-shooting 5s that give Hibbert so much trouble. 

Ok so I guess my reach for Patterson wasn't so bad afterall.  I really thought he would fit in well with that starting group but I was having doubts.  Not the 4 that I love next to Nash, but he'll do.


Id move Tony Allen or start him. Your reserves lack teeth when it comes to scoring. You'll need those points.

And Tony Allen should be starting somewhere, and you could use that depth elsewhere.

Yeah I've shopped this group around a lot, including TA, and truthfully I've had a lot of trouble finding suitable trade offers in general.  This whole drafting in the dead middle didn't really help either.  At this point I feel like I have a pretty fun team, a lot of limitations, but a team that I'd enjoy watching.  And for now that's good enough for me, haha.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 27, 2013, 08:16:03 PM

Atlanta hawks (Salary 64.92/70.3 mill)


C:  Al horford (12), Robin Lopez (4.8 )
PF: Kevin Love (13.6), Kenyon Martin 854K
SF: Danny Granger (13), Landry Fields (6.2)
SG: Ronnie Brewer 854K, Shaun Livingston 774K
PG: Jose Calderon (10.5), Kemba Walker (2.4)

9.5, 9.16, 9.22, 11.5
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 27, 2013, 11:22:17 PM
Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
J.J Hickson
Nikola Pekovic

Jimmer Fredette
Ray Allen
Al Farouq Aminu/DeMarre Caroll
Reggie Evans
Bernard James

 Rebounding Title  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 27, 2013, 11:23:31 PM
Lineup, with Bynum:

K Irving/I Thomas
L Stephenson/W Ellington
H Barnes/T Harris/W Ellington
R Anderson/T Harris/G Smith
A Bynum/T Zeller/G Smith

Without Bynum:

K Irving/I Thomas
L Stephenson/W Ellington
H Barnes/T Harris/W Ellington
R Anderson/T Harris/
G Smith/ T Zeller

Without Bynum, the team is obviously a lot less dangerous. But, I feel really good about my prospects as a 2k13 franchise, really good about my future prospects as a fake team in an imaginary celticsblog league, and not despondent about my odds of making the playoffs as a low seed.

With Bynum I see no issue with getting to the playoffs, and possibly making a little noise there.

Tobias Harris: 23 points, 6 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 75% shooting from the field.

Why does that matter, IP?

Well Im glad you asked. See, I can play Harris next to Ryan Anderson, Harrison Barnes, OR the unimpeachable Wayne Ellington. The versatility here, it's astounding!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 27, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
Lineup, with Bynum:

K Irving/I Thomas
L Stephenson/W Ellington
H Barnes/T Harris/W Ellington
R Anderson/T Harris/G Smith
A Bynum/T Zeller/G Smith

Without Bynum:

K Irving/I Thomas
L Stephenson/W Ellington
H Barnes/T Harris/W Ellington
R Anderson/T Harris/
G Smith/ T Zeller

Without Bynum, the team is obviously a lot less dangerous. But, I feel really good about my prospects as a 2k13 franchise, really good about my future prospects as a fake team in an imaginary celticsblog league, and not despondent about my odds of making the playoffs as a low seed.

With Bynum I see no issue with getting to the playoffs, and possibly making a little noise there.

Tobias Harris: 23 points, 6 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 75% shooting from the field.

Why does that matter, IP?

Well Im glad you asked. See, I can play Harris next to Ryan Anderson, Harrison Barnes, OR the unimpeachable Wayne Ellington. The versatility here, it's astounding!

Still why does it matter?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 27, 2013, 11:29:13 PM
Someone, either IP or Nick, asked if a team had ever won a championship without a dominant perimeter player. 1994 Rockets, 1999 Spurs, 2004 Pistons all come to mind. But also, I really feel like Chandler Parsons is on his way to becoming a Stephen Jackson ( 20, 5,5,) calibre player.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 27, 2013, 11:34:09 PM
Oh, right. Got lost in my own brilliance there. Apologies.

It means my 3/4 rotations look like this:

Barnes
Anderson

Harris
Anderson

Barnes
Harris

Ellington
Harris

It means that my forward will always have a offensive mismatch, and that I'll maintain spacing, especially against second units. Thomas/Ellington/Harris mean that even when my starters rest, production should persist. Not world beaters or anything, but I think it means I'm pretty smart and awesome.

In most lineups, if you're playing Harris at the 3 next to like, Reggie Evans, he's not nearly as productive. You can't help off my guys.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 27, 2013, 11:39:10 PM
Oh, right. Got lost in my own brilliance there. Apologies.

It means my 3/4 rotations look like this:

Barnes
Anderson

Harris
Anderson

Barnes
Harris

Ellington
Harris

It means that my forward will always have a offensive mismatch, and that I'll maintain spacing, especially against second units. Thomas/Ellington/Harris mean that even when my starters rest, production should persist. Not world beaters or anything, but I think it means I'm pretty smart and awesome.

In most lineups, if you're playing Harris at the 3 next to like, Reggie Evans, he's not nearly as productive. You can't help off my guys.

I really think this is why SO and I lost last year, because neither of us could be bothered to give an in-depth analysis of why Carlos Delfino and Devin Harris were awesome.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 27, 2013, 11:45:22 PM
Oh, right. Got lost in my own brilliance there. Apologies.

It means my 3/4 rotations look like this:

Barnes
Anderson

Harris
Anderson

Barnes
Harris

Ellington
Harris

It means that my forward will always have a offensive mismatch, and that I'll maintain spacing, especially against second units. Thomas/Ellington/Harris mean that even when my starters rest, production should persist. Not world beaters or anything, but I think it means I'm pretty smart and awesome.

In most lineups, if you're playing Harris at the 3 next to like, Reggie Evans, he's not nearly as productive. You can't help off my guys.

I really think this is why SO and I lost last year, because neither of us could be bothered to give an in-depth analysis of why Carlos Delfino and Devin Harris were awesome.

Yeah I get the impression IP could make a turd sandwich sound appetizing.

I ain't fooled though, a turd is still a turd, fancy baguette and trimmings or not.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 28, 2013, 08:23:01 AM
Think I got my Regular Season Rotation Down.

Jeremy Lin (30) / Jason Kidd (18)
JR Smith (30) / Jason Kidd (7) / Jared Dudley (11)
Jared Dudley (24) / Shane Battier (24)
Kevin Garnett (30) / Chris Kaman (7) / Epke Udoh (11)
Tim Duncan (30) / Chris Kaman (18)

Positions can get a little shuffled but those are the minutes you're looking at.
I love the front court but question the addition of Kaman as TD and KG really aren't playing too much PF at the moment. I could see some problems with fast, athletic, perimeter PFs and how this team would cope with them. Bron, Melo, Smith, Love, etc will go bonkers as soon as your rotation goes TD and Kaman. I thought a more traditional PF would have worked better as an addition.

I like the Battier/Dudley platoon probably a lot more than most but the back court is just...yuck. If Lin isn't brilliant or Smith not going 6 for 9 from long range without somehow disrupting everyone else's rhythm every night, then you ain't winning a lot of games in this league.




Still would pay money every night to watch this team for the entertainment value alone.

- First, how good would the KG/TD front court defense be by mid season going into the playoffs? Wow!

- How long before KG just clocks Smith after taking yet another 28 footer with 18 seconds left on the shot clock?

- Just how fast could a brilliant kid like Lin learn from two of the best player role models you would ever want to be around? Could their influence over a year transform Lin into something more?

- Dudley, Battier, TD, KG, Kaman, Udoh, Lin, Kidd. They're just a bunch of seemingly decent and good guys to cheer for. It would be easy to fall in love with this team, win or lose.

- Besides you are the Celtics!!

Wow. Thanks for all the feedback, Nick. That's awesome.

Ya, footspeed with Kaman was a bit of a concern when I drafted him. The idea on getting him was to be able to keep pounding in the post, particularly during the regular season when you're only looking for 25-30 minutes out of Duncan & KG. Ideally, his minutes with Duncan are minimal and he's either playing alongside KG or Udoh.

There's two specific power forwards I'm looking at today that could really help my cause, also.

As far as the back court, I keep thinking about those great mid 90's Kings teams. I just think there's something to be said about what you're asking the players to do. And really, that's make sure that every single possession has the ball going into either Duncan or Garnett in the post.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 28, 2013, 08:52:16 AM
Oh, right. Got lost in my own brilliance there. Apologies.

It means my 3/4 rotations look like this:

Barnes
Anderson

Harris
Anderson

Barnes
Harris

Ellington
Harris

It means that my forward will always have a offensive mismatch, and that I'll maintain spacing, especially against second units. Thomas/Ellington/Harris mean that even when my starters rest, production should persist. Not world beaters or anything, but I think it means I'm pretty smart and awesome.

In most lineups, if you're playing Harris at the 3 next to like, Reggie Evans, he's not nearly as productive. You can't help off my guys.

I really think this is why SO and I lost last year, because neither of us could be bothered to give an in-depth analysis of why Carlos Delfino and Devin Harris were awesome.

That'd be because people don't actually think about how impressive a good 4 & 5 is. I've lost in the second round in the past two years here were the teams:

Horford
LMA / Collison
Gay / Delfino
TA / M. Brooks
Lowry / D. Harris

WAIT FOR IT!!!! Year Before

M. Gasol / Frye
Z-Bo / Hayes
Gay / Ariza
P. George / C. Lee
T. Parker  / J. Teague / Kemba
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 28, 2013, 09:01:57 AM
After a large trade I feel it's appropriate to step up on the block. So what y'all think?

Pick2 Draft-Minnesota T'Wolves (48/70mill) Coach: Brian Shaw
PG: Kirk Hinrich/Jameer Nelson
SG: Oj Mayo/John Jenkins/Evan Fournier
SF: Paul George//Michael Beasley
PF: Lamar Odom//Thomas Robinson
C:  Nikola Vucevic/Meyers Leanard
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 28, 2013, 09:04:06 AM
After a large trade I feel it's appropriate to step up on the block. So what y'all think?

Pick2 Draft-Minnesota T'Wolves (48/70mill) Coach: Brian Shaw
PG: Kirk Hinrich/Jameer Nelson
SG: Oj Mayo/John Jenkins/Evan Fournier
SF: Paul George//Michael Beasley
PF: Lamar Odom//Thomas Robinson
C:  Nikola Vucevic/Meyers Leanard

Obviously Mayo, George and Vucevic is the trio you are hanging your hat on, but now I think you need a starting PG, and PF.  I don't think Hinrich or Odom are starting caliber players anymore
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 28, 2013, 09:14:00 AM
Did you guys see Iggy yesterday?

Who says this team can't score without Monta now huh?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on February 28, 2013, 11:49:45 AM
Just want to say Deron Williams has been money since the ASG.

22.8 PPG 8.4 APG 45.1%FG% 51.5 3PT% 88.5% FT% in 5 games while playing the exact same MPG as he has been averaging all year. Also, he hit the game winner the other night.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 28, 2013, 12:25:57 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday (34) Jamal Crawford (10) Alexey Shved (4)
SG: Keith Bogans (16) Alexey Shved (12) Jamal Crawford (20)
SF: Kevin Durant (38) Mickael Gelabale (6), FA (4)
PF: Josh Smith (34) Jason Thompson (14)
C: Kendrick Perkins (24) Jason Thompson (14), FA (10)

Going after a big with 9.28
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 28, 2013, 12:27:11 PM
After a large trade I feel it's appropriate to step up on the block. So what y'all think?

Pick2 Draft-Minnesota T'Wolves (48/70mill) Coach: Brian Shaw
PG: Kirk Hinrich/Jameer Nelson
SG: Oj Mayo/John Jenkins/Evan Fournier
SF: Paul George//Michael Beasley
PF: Lamar Odom//Thomas Robinson
C:  Nikola Vucevic/Meyers Leanard

Your PF position is my SG. It'll pass but it's not great
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 28, 2013, 12:28:36 PM
Just want to say Deron Williams has been money since the ASG.

22.8 PPG 8.4 APG 45.1%FG% 51.5 3PT% 88.5% FT% in 5 games while playing the exact same MPG as he has been averaging all year. Also, he hit the game winner the other night.

Looks like the rest and the cortisone has helped.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 28, 2013, 12:29:43 PM


SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88) Kyle Singler(1.00)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Kris Humphries(12)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25) Marcus Camby(4.59)
Cap used: 65.91 Total: 70.3
Feedback on the suns please and thank you!


Wallace at PF could get pushed around on defense but is a big mismatch on offense especially in transition. Starting 5 is still solid.

Bench could be worse but the reserve frontcourt is a huge question mark. Waiters won't get as many minutes as he needs though. Interesting to see how he does with less mninutes.


Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 28, 2013, 12:34:15 PM
After a large trade I feel it's appropriate to step up on the block. So what y'all think?

Pick2 Draft-Minnesota T'Wolves (48/70mill) Coach: Brian Shaw
PG: Kirk Hinrich/Jameer Nelson
SG: Oj Mayo/John Jenkins/Evan Fournier
SF: Paul George//Michael Beasley
PF: Lamar Odom//Thomas Robinson
C:  Nikola Vucevic/Meyers Leanard

Obviously Mayo, George and Vucevic is the trio you are hanging your hat on, but now I think you need a starting PG, and PF.  I don't think Hinrich or Odom are starting caliber players anymore

Co-sign.

Hinrich and Jameer are walking injury reports these days. Not sure what either will fetch on the trade market, but I'd prefer someone steady who can play 20 minutes a night and won't miss games.

Beasley could play the 4, although a facilitator-glue guy like Odom (but younger) is probably better for your starting lineup.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 28, 2013, 12:36:22 PM


SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins
PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Kawhi Leonard(1.88) Kyle Singler(1.00)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Kris Humphries(12)
C: Marcin Gortat(7.25) Marcus Camby(4.59)
Cap used: 65.91 Total: 70.3
Feedback on the suns please and thank you!


Wallace at PF could get pushed around on defense but is a big mismatch on offense especially in transition. Starting 5 is still solid.

Bench could be worse but the reserve frontcourt is a huge question mark. Waiters won't get as many minutes as he needs though. Interesting to see how he does with less mninutes.

This is the new lineup man!




SUNS

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Dorell Wright(4.1)) Kyle Singler(1.00)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Kris Humphries(12)
C:  Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.541)

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 28, 2013, 12:38:43 PM
After a large trade I feel it's appropriate to step up on the block. So what y'all think?

Pick2 Draft-Minnesota T'Wolves (48/70mill) Coach: Brian Shaw
PG: Kirk Hinrich/Jameer Nelson
SG: Oj Mayo/John Jenkins/Evan Fournier
SF: Paul George//Michael Beasley
PF: Lamar Odom//Thomas Robinson
C:  Nikola Vucevic/Meyers Leanard

Your PF position is my SG. It'll pass but it's not great

Check your PM's bud
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 28, 2013, 01:05:57 PM
After a large trade I feel it's appropriate to step up on the block. So what y'all think?

Pick2 Draft-Minnesota T'Wolves (48/70mill) Coach: Brian Shaw
PG: Kirk Hinrich/Jameer Nelson
SG: Oj Mayo/John Jenkins/Evan Fournier
SF: Paul George//Michael Beasley
PF: Lamar Odom//Thomas Robinson
C:  Nikola Vucevic/Meyers Leanard

Obviously Mayo, George and Vucevic is the trio you are hanging your hat on, but now I think you need a starting PG, and PF.  I don't think Hinrich or Odom are starting caliber players anymore

Co-sign.

Hinrich and Jameer are walking injury reports these days. Not sure what either will fetch on the trade market, but I'd prefer someone steady who can play 20 minutes a night and won't miss games.

Beasley could play the 4, although a facilitator-glue guy like Odom (but younger) is probably better for your starting lineup.

I think that is a really good idea.

I would start Beasley and use Odom as a PF/C off the bench with T.Robinson and M.Leonard in third string PF and C roles respectively.

I reckon Beasley > Odom at the PF position nowadays.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on February 28, 2013, 01:13:56 PM




Warriors  (25.20 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG DeShawn Stevenson
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
G  Bledsoe
SG Marco Belinelli
SF/SG  Pietrus
PF Landry
C  Zaza




My SGs are not the greatest, but as a group, they will do. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 28, 2013, 01:57:32 PM
Pick 2: Chicago Bulls ($71.46 M / $74.1 M)

G - Monta Ellis    ($11 M)   
G - Andre Iguodala ($14.97 M)
F - Luol Deng      ($13.30 M)
F - Glen Davis     ($6.4 M)   
C - Joakim Noah    ($11.30 M)

Bench: Chauncey Billups ($4M), Brandon Rush($4M), Elton Brand($2.1M), Jason Smith($2.5M), Draymond Green ($850K), Sam Young ($416K)

Starting PF spot will be covered by Jason Smith till Davis gets healthy.
Backup SG spot will be covered by Sam Young and Monta till Rush is healthy.

Team to beat right here...
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 28, 2013, 02:12:52 PM
Pick 2: Chicago Bulls ($71.46 M / $74.1 M)

G - Monta Ellis    ($11 M)   
G - Andre Iguodala ($14.97 M)
F - Luol Deng      ($13.30 M)
F - Glen Davis     ($6.4 M)   
C - Joakim Noah    ($11.30 M)

Bench: Chauncey Billups ($4M), Brandon Rush($4M), Elton Brand($2.1M), Jason Smith($2.5M), Draymond Green ($850K), Sam Young ($416K)

Starting PF spot will be covered by Jason Smith till Davis gets healthy.
Backup SG spot will be covered by Sam Young and Monta till Rush is healthy.

Team to beat right here...

Great defensively, but really, really congested offensively.  No significant 3-point threat in the starting line-up.  Extremely dependent on 36 year old post-achilles Chauncey to play a major role - no Rush for the year.  Brand/Green/Young don't offer much offensively off the bench to give you a different look.

Not crazy about the PF rotation either - neither Smith nor Baby are starter caliber in my book.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 28, 2013, 02:36:02 PM
Pick 2: Chicago Bulls ($71.46 M / $74.1 M)

G - Monta Ellis    ($11 M)   
G - Andre Iguodala ($14.97 M)
F - Luol Deng      ($13.30 M)
F - Glen Davis     ($6.4 M)   
C - Joakim Noah    ($11.30 M)

Bench: Chauncey Billups ($4M), Brandon Rush($4M), Elton Brand($2.1M), Jason Smith($2.5M), Draymond Green ($850K), Sam Young ($416K)

Starting PF spot will be covered by Jason Smith till Davis gets healthy.
Backup SG spot will be covered by Sam Young and Monta till Rush is healthy.

Team to beat right here...

Great defensively, but really, really congested offensively.  No significant 3-point threat in the starting line-up.  Extremely dependent on 36 year old post-achilles Chauncey to play a major role - no Rush for the year.  Brand/Green/Young don't offer much offensively off the bench to give you a different look.

Not crazy about the PF rotation either - neither Smith nor Baby are starter caliber in my book.

Disagree and here's my rebuttal.

Deng and are 3 point threats. They may not be hitting their shots this season but these dudes once averaged 40% in a season. Sure the percentage dropped this year, but I dare anyone to leave these two wide open from three.

Before he went down, BBD is averagin 15 and 7 rebounds (albeit on 44% shooting). He's not your All Star starter, but for a dude who drops 15 a game, he's not as bad as you think. And as for Jason Smith, he will give you 4 rebounds, a block, 8 points on 49% shooting in 17 minutes. He is also making 46% of his mid range shots (16-23 feet). That opens it up more for Monta as he can run pick and pops with him.

Brand will also give you a solid 8 a game on 20 minutes, mostly mid range jumpers. And while I agree that Draymond and Young won't give me much offensively, they are energy guys off the bench that will scrap on anything. Besides, I'll have Monta playing 44 minutes a game, the offense will be there.

That and then of course, try scoring on this teams AWESOME defense.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
Deng and are 3 point threats. They may not be hitting their shots this season but these dudes once averaged 40% in a season. Sure the percentage dropped this year, but I dare anyone to leave these two wide open from three.

Don't this is entirely accurate, or at least a good accounting of Deng and Iggy.

Deng career number: 33.6% from 3
Career Best: 2009, 40% from 3. But, he only attempted less than 1 3pt shot per 2 games.

More realistically, Deng is around a 35 or 36% shooter from 3, if he's taking 2 or more a game.

Iggy's career number: 32.9% from 3
Career Best: 2012, 39.4% from 3, 3.1 attempts per game

Iggy is a bit more of a mystery, but it is the most likely that last season's shortened NBA season was an outlier, not the norm for Iggy. 34-35% from 3 if he's taking more than 2 a game.

Couple that with Monta Ellis's 23.5% from 3pt range on 3.5 3PA's per contest, your offense indeed has real issues with spacing and efficiency.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 28, 2013, 03:40:37 PM
My team appears to be complete

Salaries

Atlanta hawks (Salary 69.67/70.3 mill)

Al horford (12), Robin Lopez (4.8 ), Jason Collins 854K
Kevin Love (13.6), Kenyon Martin 854K, M. Morris (2)
Danny Granger (13), Grant Hill (1.9)
Ronnie Brewer 854K, Landry Fields (6.2)
Jose Calderon (10.5), Kemba Walker (2.4), S Livingston 774

Rotation (this is how I could see it working most nights)

C:  Horford (30) Lopez (18) Collins (scrub)
PF: Love    (38) Horford (8 ) K-Mart (2)
SF: Granger (30) Fields (10) Morris (8 )Hill (Moral Support/leadership)
SG: Brewer  (20) Fields (15) Livingston (8 ) Calderon (5)
PG: Calderon(28 ) Kemba (20)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on February 28, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
My team appears to be complete

Salaries

Atlanta hawks (Salary 69.67/70.3 mill)

Al horford (12), Robin Lopez (4.8 ), Jason Collins 854K
Kevin Love (13.6), Kenyon Martin 854K, M. Morris (2)
Danny Granger (13), Grant Hill (1.9)
Ronnie Brewer 854K, Landry Fields (6.2)
Jose Calderon (10.5), Kemba Walker (2.4), S Livingston 774

Rotation (this is how I could see it working most nights)

C:  Horford (30) Lopez (18) Collins (scrub)
PF: Love    (38) Horford (8 ) K-Mart (2)
SF: Granger (30) Fields (10) Morris (8 )Hill (Moral Support/leadership)
SG: Brewer  (20) Fields (15) Livingston (8 ) Calderon (5)
PG: Calderon(28 ) Kemba (20)

Really nice work - Granger/Love/Horford is very daunting up front and you have a good blend of role-player talent in the backcourt.

Not fond of Fields as the sole wing back-up, especially with Brewer already limited - that's your biggest weakness other than the health issues with Love and Granger. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 28, 2013, 03:54:15 PM
My team appears to be complete

Salaries

Atlanta hawks (Salary 69.67/70.3 mill)

Al horford (12), Robin Lopez (4.8 ), Jason Collins 854K
Kevin Love (13.6), Kenyon Martin 854K, M. Morris (2)
Danny Granger (13), Grant Hill (1.9)
Ronnie Brewer 854K, Landry Fields (6.2)
Jose Calderon (10.5), Kemba Walker (2.4), S Livingston 774

Rotation (this is how I could see it working most nights)

C:  Horford (30) Lopez (18) Collins (scrub)
PF: Love    (38) Horford (8 ) K-Mart (2)
SF: Granger (30) Fields (10) Morris (8 )Hill (Moral Support/leadership)
SG: Brewer  (20) Fields (15) Livingston (8 ) Calderon (5)
PG: Calderon(28 ) Kemba (20)

IMO Landry is playing too much, and Livingston should also be a (scrub) as in little playing time. Calderon should play full-time PG
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 28, 2013, 04:00:09 PM
Deng and are 3 point threats. They may not be hitting their shots this season but these dudes once averaged 40% in a season. Sure the percentage dropped this year, but I dare anyone to leave these two wide open from three.

Don't this is entirely accurate, or at least a good accounting of Deng and Iggy.

Deng career number: 33.6% from 3
Career Best: 2009, 40% from 3. But, he only attempted less than 1 3pt shot per 2 games.

More realistically, Deng is around a 35 or 36% shooter from 3, if he's taking 2 or more a game.

Iggy's career number: 32.9% from 3
Career Best: 2012, 39.4% from 3, 3.1 attempts per game

Iggy is a bit more of a mystery, but it is the most likely that last season's shortened NBA season was an outlier, not the norm for Iggy. 34-35% from 3 if he's taking more than 2 a game.

Couple that with Monta Ellis's 23.5% from 3pt range on 3.5 3PA's per contest, your offense indeed has real issues with spacing and efficiency.

I dont think I'll have problems with spacing at all. All 4 on my starting lineup (and that's Jason Smith over Davis) outside of Ellis are capable mid range shooter.

The big can play pick and pop off of Ellis. Ellis can find them open and they are capable of hitting those.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 28, 2013, 04:00:59 PM
My team appears to be complete

Salaries

Atlanta hawks (Salary 69.67/70.3 mill)

Al horford (12), Robin Lopez (4.8 ), Jason Collins 854K
Kevin Love (13.6), Kenyon Martin 854K, M. Morris (2)
Danny Granger (13), Grant Hill (1.9)
Ronnie Brewer 854K, Landry Fields (6.2)
Jose Calderon (10.5), Kemba Walker (2.4), S Livingston 774

Rotation (this is how I could see it working most nights)

C:  Horford (30) Lopez (18) Collins (scrub)
PF: Love    (38) Horford (8 ) K-Mart (2)
SF: Granger (30) Fields (10) Morris (8 )Hill (Moral Support/leadership)
SG: Brewer  (20) Fields (15) Livingston (8 ) Calderon (5)
PG: Calderon(28 ) Kemba (20)

IMO Landry is playing too much, and Livingston should also be a (scrub) as in little playing time. Calderon should play full-time PG

Livingston has proven that he is a rotation caliber player, he is by no means a scrub.  But ya I do have fields playing mor than I'd like, but I want granger playing 30 mpg until the playoffs cause of the knee
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 28, 2013, 05:06:38 PM
FINAL ROSTER
(barring any trades)

PG: Russell Westbrook / Jerryd Bayless / (Terrence Willaims)
SG: Wesley Matthews / (Martell Webster) / Terrence Ross
SF: Trevor Ariza / Martell Webster / Terrence Williams
PF: David Lee / Jason Maxiell / Ivan Johnson
C: JaVale McGee / Ian Mahinmi / (Jason Maxiell)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 28, 2013, 07:33:17 PM
Suns right now:

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Dorell Wright(4.1) Alonzo Gee(3.5)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Thomas Robinson(3.34)
C:  Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)

Cap used: 64.65 Total: 70.3

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 28, 2013, 07:37:04 PM
Suns right now:

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Dorell Wright(4.1) Alonzo Gee(3.5)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Thomas Robinson(3.34)
C:  Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)

Cap used: 64.65 Total: 70.3

Really nice team except expect to get outrebounded every game
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 28, 2013, 07:38:13 PM
Suns right now:

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Dorell Wright(4.1) Alonzo Gee(3.5)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Thomas Robinson(3.34)
C:  Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)

Cap used: 64.65 Total: 70.3

I'd start Gee over Wright.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 28, 2013, 07:47:13 PM
Livingston has proven that he is a rotation caliber player, he is by no means a scrub.  But ya I do have fields playing mor than I'd like, but I want granger playing 30 mpg until the playoffs cause of the knee

I don't know about that. He's a borderline NBA player
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 28, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
Suns right now:

PG: Goran Dragic(7.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Dion Waiters(3.72)
SF: Dorell Wright(4.1) Alonzo Gee(3.5)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Thomas Robinson(3.34)
C:  Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)

Cap used: 64.65 Total: 70.3

I'd start Gee over Wright.

I am considering that, but won't decide until my final roster is done ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 28, 2013, 07:51:57 PM
Livingston has proven that he is a rotation caliber player, he is by no means a scrub.  But ya I do have fields playing mor than I'd like, but I want granger playing 30 mpg until the playoffs cause of the knee

I don't know about that. He's a borderline NBA player

In no universe is Livingston a border line nba player.  If he were on the celts right now he would be starting and would improve our team a lot. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 28, 2013, 07:55:26 PM
Any thoughts on my team as it continues to fill out? Feel my young guys have good backups some of them with great potential others allowing them to help fill out this year.
Not a Championship contender this year but definitely could be in the future, have the space to sign good free agents this offseason or next, and dont lose anyone anytime soon
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 28, 2013, 07:57:31 PM
Livingston has proven that he is a rotation caliber player, he is by no means a scrub.  But ya I do have fields playing mor than I'd like, but I want granger playing 30 mpg until the playoffs cause of the knee

I don't know about that. He's a borderline NBA player

In no universe is Livingston a border line nba player.  If he were on the celts right now he would be starting and would improve our team a lot.

Didn't he get waived by the real-life Wizards?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 28, 2013, 07:58:05 PM
Livingston has proven that he is a rotation caliber player, he is by no means a scrub.  But ya I do have fields playing mor than I'd like, but I want granger playing 30 mpg until the playoffs cause of the knee

I don't know about that. He's a borderline NBA player

In no universe is Livingston a border line nba player.  If he were on the celts right now he would be starting and would improve our team a lot.

Didn't he get waived by the real-life Wizards?

I think that says more about the Wizards management than it does about Livingston.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 28, 2013, 07:59:53 PM
Any thoughts on my team as it continues to fill out? Feel my young guys have good backups some of them with great potential others allowing them to help fill out this year.
Not a Championship contender this year but definitely could be in the future, have the space to sign good free agents this offseason or next, and dont lose anyone anytime soon
Quote
Denver Nuggets  Salary - 40.7/70.3

It looks like you are still a fair bit under the salary floor. Need an expensive signing.

Quote
PG: Ty Lawson -- (2.5) / DJ Augustin (3.3)/ Derrick Fisher (min)
SG: Bradley Beal -- (4.1)   / Rip Hamilton (5.0)
SF: Michael Kidd- Gilchrist -- (4.6) / Nick Young (5.6)
PF: Thad Young -- (8.0)  / Sully (1.3)
C: Demarcus Cousins ($3.8M)/ Haywood (2.05)

Team is in very good shape.

With the final two roster spots, I would look for (1) a backup three with good size and a jump-shot, and, (2) a fifth big. Probably a PF.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on February 28, 2013, 08:00:52 PM
Livingston has proven that he is a rotation caliber player, he is by no means a scrub.  But ya I do have fields playing mor than I'd like, but I want granger playing 30 mpg until the playoffs cause of the knee

I don't know about that. He's a borderline NBA player

In no universe is Livingston a border line nba player.  If he were on the celts right now he would be starting and would improve our team a lot.

Didn't he get waived by the real-life Wizards?

I think that says more about the Wizards management than it does about Livingston.

S.Livingston had a partially guaranteed contract, didn't he?

I think it was a cost-saving move by Washington.

Edit: Looks like I was wrong. It was Houston that waived S.Livingston for financial savings. Then Washington signed him afterwards.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 08:01:21 PM
Any thoughts on my team as it continues to fill out? Feel my young guys have good backups some of them with great potential others allowing them to help fill out this year.
Not a Championship contender this year but definitely could be in the future, have the space to sign good free agents this offseason or next, and dont lose anyone anytime soon
I think it's a very well balanced team, fit-wise, experince-wise, very symmetrical.

Top level talent could be better, but honestly, there are 5 lottery-level talents in your starting 5, and that's nothin to laugh at.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 08:04:09 PM
Livingston has proven that he is a rotation caliber player, he is by no means a scrub.  But ya I do have fields playing mor than I'd like, but I want granger playing 30 mpg until the playoffs cause of the knee

I don't know about that. He's a borderline NBA player

In no universe is Livingston a border line nba player.  If he were on the celts right now he would be starting and would improve our team a lot.

Not a chance would be be starting. We could use him with our guard rotation, but he wouldn't be starting.

And last season, Livingston was a borderline NBA player. He's really just now figuring out his body again. Had to change his whole game, add weight, he's just now getting it, at what, age 26?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on February 28, 2013, 08:05:27 PM
Any thoughts on my team as it continues to fill out? Feel my young guys have good backups some of them with great potential others allowing them to help fill out this year.
Not a Championship contender this year but definitely could be in the future, have the space to sign good free agents this offseason or next, and dont lose anyone anytime soon

I'm a firm believer that for young guys to develop they need good leadership and to experience some level of winning. But I don't know what Rip Hamilton does for you. I'd move him for another young chip.

But Like I said, I love the young core of this team. The future parts (healthy Sullinger over Thad Young) work perfectly together. It's a real TEAM youv'e assembled.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 28, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
J.J Hickson
Nikola Pekovic

Jimmer Fredette
Ray Allen
Al Farouq Aminu/DeMarre Caroll
Reggie Evans
Bernard James

 Rebounding Title  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wow this is very good team, good job man  ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on February 28, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
Miami Heat:
Starters: Brandon Knight, Mo Williams, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor

Bench
Guards: Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford
Center: BJ Mullens
Forwards: Chris Copeland, John Salmons, Kyle O'Quinn

Plenty of scoring and some good young big men that like to bang and rebound.  decent defensive team. 

ok people, let 'er rip.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
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Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 28, 2013, 09:38:59 PM
I have Delonte.

Game Over
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 09:51:36 PM
Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
J.J Hickson
Nikola Pekovic

Jimmer Fredette
Ray Allen
Al Farouq Aminu/DeMarre Caroll
Reggie Evans
Bernard James

 Rebounding Title  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wow this is very good team, good job man  ??? ??? ??? ???

Sorry man, when people start just throwing teams out there, sometimes one gets missed.

I don't know what to make of your team, all things being equal. To be honest, you mostly took players I avoid. To be frank, I've just never been a big fan of any of them except Pek. But at the same time, a lot of those guys are playing above what I've come to expect.

That said, I see two big flaws; 1) Passing, 2) Defense

Passing: Brandon Jennings is a score first and second, pass third point guard. Kevin Martin doesn't pass, Marion isn't particularly gifted in that regard, and Hickson and Pek are black holes. In your reserves, you don't have very good passers either. Ball movement (which creates easy baskets, and cuts down on desperation shots late in the clock, or heavy ISo-play).

Defense: Hickson is not a good defender, Pekovic is alright against other bruisers, but he'll get murdered by quick centers. Neither guy is a particularly good help defender. So your best help defender is Marion. Jennings is an underrated defender, but he's not grown into the elite defender many (including myself) hoped he would. And Kevin Martin...well he used to be the worst defender among starting 2 guards in the league. He's not that now, but he's not particularly good there either. And now, without a guy like Ibaka behind him, he's going to get worse. Your reserves could be better there too.

I guess Im having a real problem fitting the team into a cohesive unit I can get my head around.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 28, 2013, 09:56:20 PM
Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
Shawn Marion
J.J Hickson
Nikola Pekovic

Jimmer Fredette
Ray Allen
Al Farouq Aminu/DeMarre Caroll
Reggie Evans
Bernard James

 Rebounding Title  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wow this is very good team, good job man  ??? ??? ??? ???

Sorry man, when people start just throwing teams out there, sometimes one gets missed.

I don't know what to make of your team, all things being equal. To be honest, you mostly took players I avoid. To be frank, I've just never been a big fan of any of them except Pek. But at the same time, a lot of those guys are playing above what I've come to expect.

That said, I see two big flaws; 1) Passing, 2) Defense

Passing: Brandon Jennings is a score first and second, pass third point guard. Kevin Martin doesn't pass, Marion isn't particularly gifted in that regard, and Hickson and Pek are black holes. In your reserves, you don't have very good passers either. Ball movement (which creates easy baskets, and cuts down on desperation shots late in the clock, or heavy ISo-play).

Defense: Hickson is not a good defender, Pekovic is alright against other bruisers, but he'll get murdered by quick centers. Neither guy is a particularly good help defender. So your best help defender is Marion. Jennings is an underrated defender, but he's not grown into the elite defender many (including myself) hoped he would. And Kevin Martin...well he used to be the worst defender among starting 2 guards in the league. He's not that now, but he's not particularly good there either. And now, without a guy like Ibaka behind him, he's going to get worse. Your reserves could be better there too.

I guess Im having a real problem fitting the team into a cohesive unit I can get my head around.

Its fine i was kidding ;D ;D i really saw my team going nowhere so i decided to make the best rebounding team and then i went for the sharpshooters
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 28, 2013, 09:58:41 PM
Its fine i was kidding ;D ;D i really saw my team going nowhere so i decided to make the best rebounding team and then i went for the sharpshooters

One thing to keep in mind. A bad defense results in opponents making more shots, and you can't rebound a made shot.

All their rebounding stats will obviously go down.

On offense, your sharpshooters who actually make their shots also don't miss, so that takes more rebounds away. ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 28, 2013, 10:02:01 PM
Its fine i was kidding ;D ;D i really saw my team going nowhere so i decided to make the best rebounding team and then i went for the sharpshooters

One thing to keep in mind. A bad defense results in opponents making more shots, and you can't rebound a made shot.

All their rebounding stats will obviously go down.

On offense, your sharpshooters who actually make their shots also don't miss, so that takes more rebounds away. ;D

You're just jelly that my team gets more rebounds then yours  ;D ;D :-* :-*
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 28, 2013, 10:02:19 PM
Livingston has proven that he is a rotation caliber player, he is by no means a scrub.  But ya I do have fields playing mor than I'd like, but I want granger playing 30 mpg until the playoffs cause of the knee

I don't know about that. He's a borderline NBA player

In no universe is Livingston a border line nba player.  If he were on the celts right now he would be starting and would improve our team a lot.

Not a chance would be be starting. We could use him with our guard rotation, but he wouldn't be starting.

And last season, Livingston was a borderline NBA player. He's really just now figuring out his body again. Had to change his whole game, add weight, he's just now getting it, at what, age 26?

With rondo down liv would be the best pg on our roster.  He had been a solid contributor on my fantasy team the last 3 years so I know he is not a borderline nba player. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 28, 2013, 10:05:47 PM
Its fine i was kidding ;D ;D i really saw my team going nowhere so i decided to make the best rebounding team and then i went for the sharpshooters

One thing to keep in mind. A bad defense results in opponents making more shots, and you can't rebound a made shot.

All their rebounding stats will obviously go down.

On offense, your sharpshooters who actually make their shots also don't miss, so that  :-* takes more rebounds away. ;D

You're just jelly that my team gets more rebounds then yours  ;D ;D :-* :-*

You don't have enough bad players on offense, you wish you had more inefficient shooters like me :-*  :-*  :-*
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 10:09:30 PM
Miami Heat:
Starters: Brandon Knight, Mo Williams, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor

Bench
Guards: Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford
Center: BJ Mullens
Forwards: Chris Copeland, John Salmons, Kyle O'Quinn

Plenty of scoring and some good young big men that like to bang and rebound.  decent defensive team. 

ok people, let 'er rip.

I love: Lebron, obviously. Bosh, but he's better as a center, not as effective in a lineup as a 4. Lou Williams when healthy would be nice, Chris Copeland, if he could actually keep that energy up with big minutes. If he could, Id even start him atthe 3 and LeBron at the 4.

Neutral on: Mo Williams, Bj Mullens, Okafor. I think these guys would be nice off the bench, hesitant to start them, even next to LeBron.

Hate: Brandon Knight as the starter on a contender. Salmons, Jordan Crawford getting real minutes.

Ultimately, you took a much different approach than I would've with LeBron. Id make one big trade to start out, hopefully for a mid-round first or keeper, and I would've kept Wade. After that, you just need 1 decent rim defender, 1 spark plug off the bench, and a bunch of guys who defend and can hit a shot. Your approach was different, and I can't say it's a team I feel good about including in the contender argument. It's tough though, if you're not really excited about making about a billion trade offers, and I can respect staying pat. Still a good team, probably a very good team, but not the one I expected you to assemble.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 28, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
Miami Heat:
Starters: Brandon Knight, Mo Williams, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor

Bench
Guards: Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford
Center: BJ Mullens
Forwards: Chris Copeland, John Salmons, Kyle O'Quinn

Plenty of scoring and some good young big men that like to bang and rebound.  decent defensive team. 

ok people, let 'er rip.

Not really a fan of how you built around LeBron. Would have expected a top-5 team, but whatever! :)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 10:17:02 PM
Livingston has proven that he is a rotation caliber player, he is by no means a scrub.  But ya I do have fields playing mor than I'd like, but I want granger playing 30 mpg until the playoffs cause of the knee

I don't know about that. He's a borderline NBA player

In no universe is Livingston a border line nba player.  If he were on the celts right now he would be starting and would improve our team a lot.

Not a chance would be be starting. We could use him with our guard rotation, but he wouldn't be starting.

And last season, Livingston was a borderline NBA player. He's really just now figuring out his body again. Had to change his whole game, add weight, he's just now getting it, at what, age 26?

With rondo down liv would be the best pg on our roster.  He had been a solid contributor on my fantasy team the last 3 years so I know he is not a borderline nba player.

When Rondo went down, starting Livingston next to Bradley would've necessitated sitting Lee. But, Livingston can no longer defend starting PGs. With Bradley, that's okay, but Livingston aslo still can't shoot. Then, with Pierce and Garnett's passing, Livingstons non-ball dominant passing skillset becomes even less important. We'd be down a shooter, and would be gaining nothing on defense, and gaining a little passing. Really don't see how he'd be starting.

Even on the Cavs, he's been the best when Ellington or Waiters are guarding the opposing 1, and those guys have been playing EXTREMELY well lately. Both of them better offensively than any guard we have outside of Jet.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 28, 2013, 10:26:47 PM
answer:/ If not utah : bad
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 28, 2013, 10:28:18 PM


Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0 Austin Daye 3.0
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 28, 2013, 10:30:09 PM
I've always viewed Livingston as a poor-man's Lee who can't shoot the three, but can pass.

He's got size, that's for sure, and I'm a fan of him.

But he's not starting material. Great at filling in the holes for teams.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 28, 2013, 10:33:32 PM


Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0 Austin Daye 3.0

Evans Delonte and Rivers will eat Lee alive
not to mention My young team is better
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 28, 2013, 10:41:48 PM
Dallas Mavericks

PG: Goran Dragic, Raymond Felton
SG: Dion Waiters, Marshon Brooks
SF: Paul Pierce, Kyle Singler
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, John Henson
C: DeAndre Jordan, DeJaun Blair, Ryan Hollins

Still trying to move some pieces around, but here's what I have so far.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 10:44:16 PM
Lineup, with Bynum:

K Irving/I Thomas
L Stephenson/W Ellington
H Barnes/T Harris/W Ellington
R Anderson/T Harris/G Smith
A Bynum/T Zeller/G Smith

Without Bynum:

K Irving/I Thomas
L Stephenson/W Ellington
H Barnes/T Harris/W Ellington
R Anderson/T Harris/
G Smith/ T Zeller

Without Bynum, the team is obviously a lot less dangerous. But, I feel really good about my prospects as a 2k13 franchise, really good about my future prospects as a fake team in an imaginary celticsblog league, and not despondent about my odds of making the playoffs as a low seed.

With Bynum I see no issue with getting to the playoffs, and possibly making a little noise there.

Tobias Harris: 23 points, 6 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 75% shooting from the field.

Why does that matter, IP?

Well Im glad you asked. See, I can play Harris next to Ryan Anderson, Harrison Barnes, OR the unimpeachable Wayne Ellington. The versatility here, it's astounding!

Lance Stephenson: 29 minutes, 7/8 shooting, 16 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 assists. Chauncey Billups, his counterpart in tonight's game, shot 1/6 from the field.

He's better than you think.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on February 28, 2013, 10:45:17 PM

SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins 

PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) DeMar Derozan(3.34)
SF: Alonzo Gee(3.5) Dorell Wright(4.1)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Thomas Robinson(3.34)
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 60.27 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? There  will only be a minor tweak left
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 10:52:48 PM

SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins 

PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) DeMar Derozan(3.34)
SF: Alonzo Gee(3.5) Dorell Wright(4.1)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Thomas Robinson(3.34)
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 60.27 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? There  will only be a minor tweak left

I am constantly amazed at the trades you've been making. That's a team that just keeps getting better.

We're gonna have to start saying, "Don't trade with CPride, he'll get the better of you!"

Love the team, ironically the only thing Id see that could take them to the next level is 'gasp!' Ryan Anderson. One more shooter makes the difference between good and great. Right now, you've just got Gee, and you'd need more than that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 28, 2013, 10:53:48 PM


Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0 Austin Daye 3.0

Evans Delonte and Rivers will eat Lee alive
not to mention My young team is better


Translation: I am Edgar and I am very scared.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on February 28, 2013, 10:58:15 PM

SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins 

PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) DeMar Derozan(3.34)
SF: Alonzo Gee(3.5) Dorell Wright(4.1)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Thomas Robinson(3.34)
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 60.27 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? There  will only be a minor tweak left

I am constantly amazed at the trades you've been making. That's a team that just keeps getting better.

We're gonna have to start saying, "Don't trade with CPride, he'll get the better of you!"

Love the team, ironically the only thing Id see that could take them to the next level is 'gasp!' Ryan Anderson. One more shooter makes the difference between good and great. Right now, you've just got Gee, and you'd need more than that.
soo

how about utah
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 11:02:28 PM
Show me a roster, Edgar.

(Imagines Edgar posting picture of a rooster)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 28, 2013, 11:16:25 PM


Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0 Austin Daye 3.0

Everytime I try to critique this roster, I end up answering my own question.

"They won't score enough, or well enough."
- Maybe, it really hinges on Collison. There are scorers enough on the bench, and if you figure 10 for Lee, 18 for Parsons, 18 for Monroe, 11 for Drummond, and 12-15 or so for Collsion, that's 70 points from the starters. Another 20 from the bench entirely possible, and you got a stew going.

"They're iffy defensively."
- With Drummond being the embodiment of a winged pterodactyl on steroids, and Monroe, Lee, and Parsons being consistently pretty good, all you've got to worry about is Collison. On the bench, well defensively it's not pretty. But it should be good enough to keep it close most nights.

"Passing is a real concern"
-Collison is about average as a passing PG, Lee we're familiar with, but Parsons, Monroe are both extremely good passers for their respective positions. Passing is not a real concern.

Just a solid team, I could see them sneaking into the playoffs this season if Drummond can handle big minnutes. Likely he cant so they're on the outside looking in this year, but starting next year and further, they're only going to get better.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 28, 2013, 11:17:01 PM


Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0 Austin Daye 3.0

The Drummond/Monroe combination is so appealing to me. Not a playoff team right now but if Monroe/Drummond lives up to their potential; watch out. Parsons is going to become a pretty good player himself. The Newsies are the favorites for best team of the future so far.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 28, 2013, 11:19:32 PM
Show me a roster, Edgar.

(Imagines Edgar posting picture of a rooster)

Funniest thing I've heard all day
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 28, 2013, 11:22:00 PM


Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0 Austin Daye 3.0

Everytime I try to critique this roster, I end up answering my own question.

"They won't score enough, or well enough."
- Maybe, it really hinges on Collison. There are scorers enough on the bench, and if you figure 10 for Lee, 18 for Parsons, 18 for Monroe, 11 for Drummond, and 12-15 or so for Collsion, that's 70 points from the starters. Another 20 from the bench entirely possible, and you got a stew going.

"They're iffy defensively."
- With Drummond being the embodiment of a winged pterodactyl on steroids, and Monroe, Lee, and Parsons being consistently pretty good, all you've got to worry about is Collison. On the bench, well defensively it's not pretty. But it should be good enough to keep it close most nights.

"Passing is a real concern"
-Collison is about average as a passing PG, Lee we're familiar with, but Parsons, Monroe are both extremely good passers for their respective positions. Passing is not a real concern.

Just a solid team, I could see them sneaking into the playoffs this season if Drummond can handle big minnutes. Likely he cant so they're on the outside looking in this year, but starting next year and further, they're only going to get better.

I hear you on all those questions, but the advantage of building towards the future is that it doesn't matter if those questions exist this year, but it matters if they'll be gone.

I think Chandler could wind up being a Stephen Jackson in his prime type player, I think Monroe is 20 ppg waiting to happen and Drummond is going to be 18 easy in his prime.

Defense off the bench is a huge concern but my only thought on that is, if I were the GM, that would be a problem in 2016 not now.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 28, 2013, 11:22:54 PM


Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0 Austin Daye 3.0

The Drummond/Monroe combination is so appealing to me. Not a playoff team right now but if Monroe/Drummond lives up to their potential; watch out. Parsons is going to become a pretty good player himself. The Newsies are the favorites for best team of the future so far.

Danke.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on February 28, 2013, 11:23:07 PM
Would love in a few years to see the new look Newsies going against the nuggests.... talk about a battle

P.S of course I'd win though
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 28, 2013, 11:48:47 PM
Would love in a few years to see the new look Newsies going against the nuggests.... talk about a battle

P.S of course I'd win though

Stop saying things like that. Greg Monroe can't stop drooling at the idea of being guarded by Thad Young or Sully. ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 12:10:32 AM
Point of interest: To go with 16 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 assists and 7 for 8 shooting in a 1 point loss to the Clippers, Stephenson was +16, leading in +\- among the starters by more than 10 points. Danny Granger, who only played 18 minutes and shot .500 from the field, was a -25.

Lance Stephenson: better than you thought. The cavaliers: better than you deserve!

Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/ Tobias Harris
Ryan Anderson/ Tobias Harris
Bynum/Zeller/Greg Smith
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
So, after today's action, I think we're looking at a near-finished product.

PG: Damian Lillard / Ramon Sessions
SG: Thabo Sefolosha / Jodie Meeks / Jeremy Lamb
SF: Nic Batum / Maurice Harkless
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Marreese Speights
C:  Nick Collison / Jonas Valanciunas / Jordan Hill (IR)

I view Collison and Speights as PF/C hybrids, capable of playing either frontcourt slot. Having both allows us to bring Jonas along at the right pace.

Pleased to get Meeks at this point. I think his skill set complements Thabo well. We'll also work Lamb, and even Sessions, in a little bit at SG next to Lillard too.

Two picks tomorrow. Barring any major trades, I think this is pretty much where we're at.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 12:32:52 AM
So, after today's action, I think we're looking at a near-finished product.

PG: Damian Lillard / Ramon Sessions
SG: Thabo Sefolosha / Jodie Meeks / Jeremy Lamb
SF: Nic Batum / Maurice Harkless
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Marreese Speights
C:  Nick Collison / Jonas Valanciunas / Jordan Hill (IR)

I view Collison and Speights as PF/C hybrids, capable of playing either frontcourt slot. Having both allows us to bring Jonas along at the right pace.

Pleased to get Meeks at this point. I think his skill set complements Thabo well. We'll also work Lamb, and even Sessions, in a little bit at SG next to Lillard too.

Two picks tomorrow. Barring any major trades, I think this is pretty much where we're at.

I think you did a great job here. Still having trouble coming to terms with Thabo shooting 40% from 3 with more than 2 attempts per game. Almost seems unfair.

Personally Id rather have Batum at the 2, but in your lineup that's meaningless. Thabo and Batum can simply matchup against whichever opponent best suits their strength.

Collison, for all his advanced metric wonders, will still get eaten alive by a few select of centers, but against most, especially the none offensive threats and finesse centers, he'll do great.

The bench is populated with great promise.

Really well put together squad.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 01, 2013, 12:36:54 AM
Point of interest: To go with 16 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 assists and 7 for 8 shooting in a 1 point loss to the Clippers, Stephenson was +16, leading in +\- among the starters by more than 10 points. Danny Granger, who only played 18 minutes and shot .500 from the field, was a -25.

Lance Stephenson: better than you thought. The cavaliers: better than you deserve!

Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/ Tobias Harris
Ryan Anderson/ Tobias Harris
Bynum/Zeller/Greg Smith


As the owner of the two best center prospects not named Bynum, i know I wouldn't have traded them for Varejo, so i think you did well especially if Zeller pans out.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 01, 2013, 12:37:44 AM
So, after today's action, I think we're looking at a near-finished product.

PG: Damian Lillard / Ramon Sessions
SG: Thabo Sefolosha / Jodie Meeks / Jeremy Lamb
SF: Nic Batum / Maurice Harkless
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Marreese Speights
C:  Nick Collison / Jonas Valanciunas / Jordan Hill (IR)

I view Collison and Speights as PF/C hybrids, capable of playing either frontcourt slot. Having both allows us to bring Jonas along at the right pace.

Pleased to get Meeks at this point. I think his skill set complements Thabo well. We'll also work Lamb, and even Sessions, in a little bit at SG next to Lillard too.

Two picks tomorrow. Barring any major trades, I think this is pretty much where we're at.


When jonas turns into a beast, this squad will be terrifying. you might as well start him now.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 12:45:44 AM

When jonas turns into a beast, this squad will be terrifying. you might as well start him now.


I get that. When he starts beasting against second-stringers, he'll earn the starting gig.

Oh, and thanks, IP.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 12:46:45 AM
Point of interest: To go with 16 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 assists and 7 for 8 shooting in a 1 point loss to the Clippers, Stephenson was +16, leading in +\- among the starters by more than 10 points. Danny Granger, who only played 18 minutes and shot .500 from the field, was a -25.

Lance Stephenson: better than you thought. The cavaliers: better than you deserve!

Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/ Tobias Harris
Ryan Anderson/ Tobias Harris
Bynum/Zeller/Greg Smith


As the owner of the two best center prospects not named Bynum, i know I wouldn't have traded them for Varejo, so i think you did well especially if Zeller pans out.

Zeller to me was an obvious choice. This season, at least until Bynum comes back (and I am currently furious with the defeatist tone coming out of Philly and their fans..) Zeller gets his royal jelly. But long-term, assuming Bynum ever does have his form back and string together some relatively healthy seasons, I've got a built in insurance policy. Zeller will never be an above average starting center, but Im hoping he turns out to be an elite backup, a guy you can play for 18-20 minutes a night to keep Bynum's minutes down, and keep consistency up while he's out.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 12:55:59 AM
Any chance we see Harrison Barnes at SG for the Cavs?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 01:00:01 AM
Any chance we see Harrison Barnes at SG for the Cavs?

In a big lineup, maybe. Barnes/Harris/Anderson compliment each other well. But until I round out my rooster, Im gonna presume all his minutes at the 3. I need another backup 3 first.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on March 01, 2013, 11:37:32 AM
Alright, final verdict before I do something stupid. 

My team is in my sig.  It is finished, capped out, and I have no picks left.  Is it a contender?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 01, 2013, 11:45:18 AM
Alright, final verdict before I do something stupid. 

My team is in my sig.  It is finished, capped out, and I have no picks left.  Is it a contender?

I think it is, but like people have said before a lot of it hinges on Gasols health. If he is healthy you have a nice balance of offense and defense plus I like him better as a center than a PF as well.

You get my PM?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on March 01, 2013, 11:51:38 AM
Alright, final verdict before I do something stupid. 

My team is in my sig.  It is finished, capped out, and I have no picks left.  Is it a contender?

I think it is, but like people have said before a lot of it hinges on Gasols health. If he is healthy you have a nice balance of offense and defense plus I like him better as a center than a PF as well.

You get my PM?

Thanks for the thoughts.

Yeah, I got it.  Just finishing up here, and then everything's getting tagged with a For Sale sticker.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 01, 2013, 11:56:09 AM
Alright, final verdict before I do something stupid. 

My team is in my sig.  It is finished, capped out, and I have no picks left.  Is it a contender?

I think it is, but like people have said before a lot of it hinges on Gasols health. If he is healthy you have a nice balance of offense and defense plus I like him better as a center than a PF as well.

You get my PM?

Thanks for the thoughts.

Yeah, I got it.  Just finishing up here, and then everything's getting tagged with a For Sale sticker.

Haha yard sale! At this point if your team clearly is a contender I don't get why you'd just sit back..have some fun
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on March 01, 2013, 11:57:28 AM
Varejao / R. Lopez / [Zeller]
Lebron / Brand / J. Anthony
J. Green / Dunleavy / Kleiza
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving / Brooks / Dooling

Dynasty.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 01, 2013, 12:11:32 PM
Alright, final verdict before I do something stupid. 

My team is in my sig.  It is finished, capped out, and I have no picks left.  Is it a contender?
Hmm ... not sure. The bench is kind of lightweight. Not so high on T.Thompson as starting PF.

That said, I do think Tony Parker, Joe Johnson and Pau Gasol is a core strong enough to field a title contender. As a result, I would be very reluctant to break them up.

Maybe next year with a fully healthy Pau Gasol and with a few of those young bigs (T.Thompson, B.Biyombo, E.Clark) are a year older. That could become a title contender with a bit of luck development wise.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 01, 2013, 12:16:43 PM
Varejao / R. Lopez / [Zeller]
Lebron / Brand / J. Anthony
J. Green / Dunleavy / Kleiza
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving / Brooks / Dooling

Dynasty.

Interesting debate for another time - is that roster better than the Dinobots?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 01, 2013, 12:20:44 PM
So, after today's action, I think we're looking at a near-finished product.

PG: Damian Lillard / Ramon Sessions
SG: Thabo Sefolosha / Jodie Meeks / Jeremy Lamb
SF: Nic Batum / Maurice Harkless
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Marreese Speights
C:  Nick Collison / Jonas Valanciunas / Jordan Hill (IR)

I view Collison and Speights as PF/C hybrids, capable of playing either frontcourt slot. Having both allows us to bring Jonas along at the right pace.

Pleased to get Meeks at this point. I think his skill set complements Thabo well. We'll also work Lamb, and even Sessions, in a little bit at SG next to Lillard too.

Two picks tomorrow. Barring any major trades, I think this is pretty much where we're at.

This is a sweet roster, and I'm glad you guys kept Jonas. Terrific compliment to LMA. I saw title contender in a year or two, depending on how illard's passing develops. In the meantime, I don't know, probably a 6th seed or so (I'm not looking at rosters, just guessing)

EDIT: I think a lot of people are going to say "how's this better than the real blazers team" without an appreciation on how truly miserable the blazer bench is.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 12:23:37 PM
Varejao / R. Lopez / [Zeller]
Lebron / Brand / J. Anthony
J. Green / Dunleavy / Kleiza
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving / Brooks / Dooling

Dynasty.

Interesting debate for another time - is that roster better than the Dinobots?

It isn't better than the Bulls.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Edgar on March 01, 2013, 12:28:10 PM
Varejao / R. Lopez / [Zeller]
Lebron / Brand / J. Anthony
J. Green / Dunleavy / Kleiza
Sefolosha / Gordon
Irving / Brooks / Dooling

Dynasty.

The Crotornast were AWESOME!!!!!!!!
Best draft ever
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 12:29:45 PM
So, after today's action, I think we're looking at a near-finished product.

PG: Damian Lillard / Ramon Sessions
SG: Thabo Sefolosha / Jodie Meeks / Jeremy Lamb
SF: Nic Batum / Maurice Harkless
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Marreese Speights
C:  Nick Collison / Jonas Valanciunas / Jordan Hill (IR)

I view Collison and Speights as PF/C hybrids, capable of playing either frontcourt slot. Having both allows us to bring Jonas along at the right pace.

Pleased to get Meeks at this point. I think his skill set complements Thabo well. We'll also work Lamb, and even Sessions, in a little bit at SG next to Lillard too.

Two picks tomorrow. Barring any major trades, I think this is pretty much where we're at.

This is a sweet roster, and I'm glad you guys kept Jonas. Terrific compliment to LMA. I saw title contender in a year or two, depending on how illard's passing develops. In the meantime, I don't know, probably a 6th seed or so (I'm not looking at rosters, just guessing)

EDIT: I think a lot of people are going to say "how's this better than the real blazers team" without an appreciation on how truly miserable the blazer bench is.

Thanks, SO.

Yeah, the bar was set low for improving the team, based on the woeful lack of depth on the real Blazers' roster.

BTW, the Henson-for-Speights deal was hopefully to get us into the playoffs, and get the youngsters some experience. Although he's the more talented prospect, I didn't think Henson could give us the minutes/production at PF and C this year that Speights could.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 01, 2013, 12:30:17 PM
Point of interest: To go with 16 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 assists and 7 for 8 shooting in a 1 point loss to the Clippers, Stephenson was +16, leading in +\- among the starters by more than 10 points. Danny Granger, who only played 18 minutes and shot .500 from the field, was a -25.

Lance Stephenson: better than you thought. The cavaliers: better than you deserve!

Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/ Tobias Harris
Ryan Anderson/ Tobias Harris
Bynum/Zeller/Greg Smith

It's odd, I haven't seen eye to eye with you on one of your rosters in a while, IP.

I love Irving, and I don't feel the need to speak about why.

I thought Barnes was a steal of a pick when you got him, and I think Ryan Anderson would be a terrific fit for an Irving offense. Then the front court back ups are wise in case you do need to get tougher.

Bynum's a miserable addition. I'm sorry, he just is. Here's the best I can explain it - We know how good Irving is now, we can only speculate on his roof. If that's the case, why bother with a gamble? Why lock up 17 million dollars in salary with the biggest question mark in the NBA? It's just not worth it.

To me the upside isn't worth the downside. The up is that you get Bynum and he's a monster, but in his role, will he be THAT much better than someone you could've had in the second like a Hibbert? The downside, he gets hurt, you tie up 17 million dollars of salary and Kyrie Irving does the Decision 2.0.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 01, 2013, 12:38:33 PM
Dallas Mavericks

PG: Goran Dragic, Raymond Felton
SG: Dion Waiters, Marshon Brooks
SF: Paul Pierce, Kyle Singler
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, John Henson
C: DeAndre Jordan, DeJaun Blair, Ryan Hollins

Still trying to move some pieces around, but here's what I have so far.

I really hated your trade. I loved Rubio running this offense, and I hate Waiters and Pierce next to each other. Feel like that 2 spot is begging for somebody who can defend and catch and shoot. Think you'll have a real problem defending, and unfortunately there's no one on your bench that can help.

Still, that 3-5 combo is sooooo nice. Would be so much fun to watch those pieces operate together.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 01, 2013, 12:43:07 PM


Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3
SG: Courtney Lee 5 .0
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2
C: Andre Drummond 2.3

Bench Andrea Bargnani 10.0 Rodney Stuckey 8.5, Tyler Hansborogh 3.0, Willie Green 1.3, Stephen Jackson 10.0 Austin Daye 3.0

I think at first look this team seems super vanilla. But at the same time Lee and Parsons are definitely the type of players I'd want to surround Monroe and Drummond with. And they're both still pretty young so you'll benefit from keeping those guys together. Also, I think this is the right role for Rodney Stuckey, and since you're so far under the cap for so long his contract's not much of anissue.

I hate Darren Collison, we talked about that. Only other quibble I have with your team is that I would've liked you to add some more prospects on your bench. Terrence Ross was a guy who was around forever, and even though I know you hate I. Thomas, I think if you're building for the future it'd make sense to gamble on a backup PG who could work out.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 01, 2013, 12:48:08 PM

SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins 

PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) DeMar Derozan(3.34)
SF: Alonzo Gee(3.5) Dorell Wright(4.1)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Thomas Robinson(3.34)
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 60.27 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? There  will only be a minor tweak left

You've made some miracle trades to make yourself a really terrific roster. As much as I love your starting 5, I'm equally impressed with your bench - seems like a lot of really good compliments.

One thing I'd look to do is trade Derozan (contracts going up next season anyways) to a team that's rebuilding, and look for a 3 who can space the floor for you. We've talked a thousand times, I'm not giving you Battier, but he's the kind of guy who'd really put you over the top. Even if it means you lose out slightly on the talent side, which is a hard pil for you to swallow when you've won out massively on the past couple trades.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 12:48:19 PM
Dallas Mavericks

PG: Goran Dragic, Raymond Felton
SG: Dion Waiters, Marshon Brooks
SF: Paul Pierce, Kyle Singler
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, John Henson
C: DeAndre Jordan, DeJaun Blair, Ryan Hollins

Still trying to move some pieces around, but here's what I have so far.

I really hated your trade. I loved Rubio running this offense, and I hate Waiters and Pierce next to each other. Feel like that 2 spot is begging for somebody who can defend and catch and shoot. Think you'll have a real problem defending, and unfortunately there's no one on your bench that can help.

Still, that 3-5 combo is sooooo nice. Would be so much fun to watch those pieces operate together.

If BigAl has cap space and 2 picks remaining, I see two guys that could help bring defense/toughness to that wing rotation.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 01, 2013, 12:52:38 PM
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Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 01, 2013, 12:54:12 PM
I'm done for a little with the team reviewing.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 12:54:45 PM
Point of interest: To go with 16 pts, 7 rebounds, 4 assists and 7 for 8 shooting in a 1 point loss to the Clippers, Stephenson was +16, leading in +\- among the starters by more than 10 points. Danny Granger, who only played 18 minutes and shot .500 from the field, was a -25.

Lance Stephenson: better than you thought. The cavaliers: better than you deserve!

Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/ Tobias Harris
Ryan Anderson/ Tobias Harris
Bynum/Zeller/Greg Smith

It's odd, I haven't seen eye to eye with you on one of your rosters in a while, IP.

I love Irving, and I don't feel the need to speak about why.

I thought Barnes was a steal of a pick when you got him, and I think Ryan Anderson would be a terrific fit for an Irving offense. Then the front court back ups are wise in case you do need to get tougher.

Bynum's a miserable addition. I'm sorry, he just is. Here's the best I can explain it - We know how good Irving is now, we can only speculate on his roof. If that's the case, why bother with a gamble? Why lock up 17 million dollars in salary with the biggest question mark in the NBA? It's just not worth it.

To me the upside isn't worth the downside. The up is that you get Bynum and he's a monster, but in his role, will he be THAT much better than someone you could've had in the second like a Hibbert? The downside, he gets hurt, you tie up 17 million dollars of salary and Kyrie Irving does the Decision 2.0.

The thing is, Bynum is that much better than Hibbert. Just short of elite defender, best offensive center in the NBA. Clear-cut number 2 positional center in the league. And young.

I see the downside, and let me tell you, I am literally starting to get depressed reading all the stuff out of Philadelphia searching for good news. Maybe I could've played it safe, if it was a league where I had to explain in painstaking detail why your team was flawed and morally corrupt, while my team was balanced, skilled, and crapped rainbows, I probably wouldn't have taken on a liability like Bynum.

But as it sat, I had Irving, Tristan Thompson, and a middle-round pick. I'd resolved to make a big trade early and go from there, and when Bynum came up and I did the math in my head, would I rather have a Kawhi Leonard or Chandler Parsons in the first to go with Irving and a cut rate center like McGee or a separate injury risk like Bogut or Varejao, or should I swing pour le fences?

From the standpoint of the Cavs, it was easy to justify. Bynum was coming off an injured year, he's not going to get max money.

Bynum was a keeper, and since I traded for him, he's obligated under the rules to resign with me.

If I were the actual Cavs, I'd be looking at a pick in the early to mid-teens this season, with a resigned (on the cheap) Bynum, and one more year of development for Barnes, Stephenson, Zeller, Harris, Irving, etc...

So if I am actually tasked with doing whats in the best interest for the Cavs, I think I accomplished that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 12:55:23 PM
I'm done for a little with the team reviewing.

You've earned a breather, SO. Yeoman's work, as usual.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 12:57:59 PM
IP, not to rehash anything that you might have already covered, but how much thought did you give to keeping Varejao over Thompson? Seems like Varejao by reputation (earned or otherwise) might have been a decent trade chip.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 01:08:39 PM
IP, not to rehash anything that you might have already covered, but how much thought did you give to keeping Varejao over Thompson? Seems like Varejao by reputation (earned or otherwise) might have been a decent trade chip.

Personally, I have lost a lot of faith in Varejao, and didn't feel good about rebuilding around him. For me, he's always been like a free beer when you're not thirsty; you're not gonna say no, but you probably wouldn't want to pay for him.

And selling that just seemed like a chore.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 01, 2013, 01:11:52 PM

SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins 

PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) DeMar Derozan(3.34)
SF: Alonzo Gee(3.5) Dorell Wright(4.1)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Thomas Robinson(3.34)
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 60.27 Total: 70.3

Thoughts ? There  will only be a minor tweak left

You've made some miracle trades to make yourself a really terrific roster. As much as I love your starting 5, I'm equally impressed with your bench - seems like a lot of really good compliments.

One thing I'd look to do is trade Derozan (contracts going up next season anyways) to a team that's rebuilding, and look for a 3 who can space the floor for you. We've talked a thousand times, I'm not giving you Battier, but he's the kind of guy who'd really put you over the top. Even if it means you lose out slightly on the talent side, which is a hard pil for you to swallow when you've won out massively on the past couple trades.

I gotta give CP07 some credit here as well.

I didn't think there was anyway possible he'd be able to recover from the salary cap/roster fit debacle he put himself in after the Gortat/Leonard for Lopez/Wright swap with me.

Dude kept working though, and has put together a pretty good roster.  I still see some issues with his two forward spots, but overall, this was good work.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 01, 2013, 02:47:49 PM
After 11: CHICAGO BULLS

Starters:

PG - Monta Ellis
SG - Andre Iguodala
SF - Luol Deng
PF - Jason Smith
C  - Joakim Noah
(F - Glen Davis starts when he returns full health)

Bench mob:

G - Chauncey Billups
G - PJ Tucker
F - Draymond Green
F - Sam Young
F - Elton Brand
F - Arnett Moultrie
(G - Brandon Rush becomes 6th man when he returns full health)

Defense, we got it from the starters to bench.

Scoring, NOT A PROBLEM.

Spacing, not a big concern either despite the numbers suggest.

In the words of John Cena...

THE CHAMP IS HERE!

 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 03:00:59 PM
Old Blazers:

PG: Damian Lillard / Ramon Sessions
SG: Thabo Sefolosha / Jodie Meeks / Jeremy Lamb
SF: Nic Batum / Maurice Harkless / Jason Richardson (IR)
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Marreese Speights
C:  Nick Collison / Jonas Valanciunas / Jordan Hill (IR)
Injured: Jordan Hill, Jason Richardson

New Blazers:

PG: Damian Lillard / Nate Robinson
SG: Joe Johnson / Jodie Meeks
SF: Nic Batum / Jae Crowder
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Earl Clark
C:  Nick Collison / Jonas Valanciunas / Rony Turiaf
Injured: Jordan Hill, Jason Richardson

One pick remaining. We probably need a wing, right?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 01, 2013, 03:15:53 PM
Old Blazers:

PG: Damian Lillard / Ramon Sessions
SG: Thabo Sefolosha / Jodie Meeks / Jeremy Lamb
SF: Nic Batum / Maurice Harkless / Jason Richardson (IR)
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Marreese Speights
C:  Nick Collison / Jonas Valanciunas / Jordan Hill (IR)
Injured: Jordan Hill, Jason Richardson

New Blazers:

PG: Damian Lillard / Nate Robinson
SG: Joe Johnson / Jodie Meeks
SF: Nic Batum / Jae Crowder
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Earl Clark
C:  Nick Collison / Jonas Valanciunas / Rony Turiaf
Injured: Jordan Hill, Jason Richardson

One pick remaining. We probably need a wing, right?

I have a similar issue as before the Prince trade - you've clearly improved your starters and probably the team as a whole, but you've got a bunch of guys just coming into their own and several guys on the downslopes of their careers. 

It would be very tough to get everything to come together quickly enough to make a proper title run, and JJ's contract would make it very difficult to add more talent to the mix.

By imagination basketball standards, I think it was a fun move to make though, which outweighs everything.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 01, 2013, 03:16:58 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

Head Coach:  (11-time NBA World Champion)  Phil Jackson

Starting Lineup

 C- Marcin Gortat
PF- Carlos Boozer
SF- Kawhi Leonard
SG- Kobe Bryant
PG- George Hill

Bench

 C- Andray Blatche
PF- Udonis Haslem
SF- Matt Barnes
 G- Jason Terry
 G- Nando de Colo

Reserves:  Marcus Camby, Antoine Walker
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on March 01, 2013, 03:19:32 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

Head Coach:  (11-time NBA World Champion)  Phil Jackson

Starting Lineup

 C- Marcin Gortat
PF- Carlos Boozer
SF- Kawhi Leonard
SG- Kobe Bryant
PG- George Hill

Bench

 C- Andray Blatche
PF- Udonis Haslem
SF- Matt Barnes
 G- Jason Terry
 G- Nando de Colo

Reserves:  Marcus Camby, Antoine Walker
They certainly are not my champions.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on March 01, 2013, 03:20:53 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

Head Coach:  (11-time NBA World Champion)  Phil Jackson

Starting Lineup

 C- Marcin Gortat
PF- Carlos Boozer
SF- Kawhi Leonard
SG- Kobe Bryant
PG- George Hill

Bench

 C- Andray Blatche
PF- Udonis Haslem
SF- Matt Barnes
 G- Jason Terry
 G- Nando de Colo

Reserves:  Marcus Camby, Antoine Walker
They certainly are not my champions.


The Blache and Boozer kills it. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 01, 2013, 03:22:29 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

Head Coach:  (11-time NBA World Champion)  Phil Jackson

Starting Lineup

 C- Marcin Gortat
PF- Carlos Boozer
SF- Kawhi Leonard
SG- Kobe Bryant
PG- George Hill

Bench

 C- Andray Blatche
PF- Udonis Haslem
SF- Matt Barnes
 G- Jason Terry
 G- Nando de Colo

Reserves:  Marcus Camby, Antoine Walker

Iggy and Deng would have a ball taking turns on guarding Kobe.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 01, 2013, 03:31:01 PM
Iggy and Deng would have a ball taking turns on guarding Kobe.
Gortat/Boozer>Noah/Fat Infant

Kobe/Kawhi>Iggy/Deng

Hill>Monta

Sorry, you lose  :P
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 01, 2013, 03:32:51 PM
Iggy and Deng would have a ball taking turns on guarding Kobe.
Gortat/Boozer>Noah/Fat Infant

Kobe/Kawhi>Iggy/Deng

Hill>Monta

Sorry, you lose  :P

How many times did Gortat had a Triple Double with 11 blocks?
Fat Infant is a better defender than Boozer would ever dream of.
Monta would drop 30 on Hill, guaranteed.

Kobe is the only one I'm concerned with, well not really.

Sorry, you lose.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 01, 2013, 03:35:13 PM
Iggy and Deng would have a ball taking turns on guarding Kobe.
Gortat/Boozer>Noah/Fat Infant

Kobe/Kawhi>Iggy/Deng

Hill>Monta

Sorry, you lose  :P

How many times did Gortat had a Triple Double with 11 blocks?
Fat Infant is a better defender than Boozer would ever dream of.
Monta would drop 30 on Hill, guaranteed.

Kobe is the only one I'm concerned with, well not really.

Sorry, you lose.

Well, your entitled to dream.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on March 01, 2013, 03:44:32 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

Head Coach:  (11-time NBA World Champion)  Phil Jackson

Starting Lineup

 C- Marcin Gortat
PF- Carlos Boozer
SF- Kawhi Leonard
SG- Kobe Bryant
PG- George Hill

Bench

 C- Andray Blatche
PF- Udonis Haslem
SF- Matt Barnes
 G- Jason Terry
 G- Nando de Colo

Reserves:  Marcus Camby, Antoine Walker
not on this planet or are you sending them to a CYO league to compete?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 01, 2013, 03:46:18 PM
Haters gone Hate!!!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on March 01, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
The new-look Miami Heat:
Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford,
SF: John Salmons, Omri Casspi
PF: Chris Copeland ,  Kyle O'Quinn
Center: BJ Mullens, Kurt Thomas

Beat that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 01, 2013, 03:46:48 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

I hope so, because Antoine Walker just put his future championship ring down as collateral for a horse racing bet  :P

Let's break our inevitable ECF down now, though.

C: Chandler >> Gortat.  Gortat's a nice player but doesn't do anything better than Chandler except a slight edge in shot blocking.  Chandler is clearly the superior defender and rebounder, has a a 5 pt advantage in PER and over double the win shares to boot.

PF: Millsap ~= Boozer
.  Boozer is a better rebounder but Millsap is a better shooter, passer, and defender, and can actually hit the 3 in a pinch.  I'm inclined to give Millsap a small edge, and I'm guessing most here would agree with me, but I'm willing to consider it a wash for argument's sake. 

SF: Carmelo >>> Kawhi.  Kawhi's a nice young role player, but still just a role player.  Carmelo's a top 10 player and future HOFer at the peak of his prime.  No contest.

SG: Butler <<< Kobe
.  I'd probably start Butler over Foye in this matchup to try and slow Kobe down.  Still a major matchup advantage in Brooklyn's favor, though - Kobe is slowing down just a bit, but still a top 10-12 player of all-time.  Again, no contest.

PG: Conley > Hill.  Hill is a slightly better scorer and significantly better rebounder.  Conley is a better distributor and a better defender.  Pretty much equal as shooters.  Very close but I give a small edge to Conley because defense wins made-up championships.

Benches:

Big Men:  Davis + O'Neal > Blatche + Haslem.  Davis is an up-and-coming big man with pretty sick advanced stats, and O'Neal is playing like his much younger self, dropping double-doubles with multiple blocks coming off Phoenix's bench.  Efficiency-wise he hasn't been this effective since 2007, and that's for the entire season, not just this hot streak. 

Blatche has had a rejuvenation of his own and is probably the best of the 4 this season, but Haslem has dropped off sharply and is bordering on irrelevancy.  Small edge to the Knicks with 2 strong contributors over 1.

Wings: Pondexter + Foye < Barnes + Terry
.  Almost like the younger versions of Brooklyn's bench here.  2 40+% three point shooters and tough D from Pondexter make me want to call it a push or even give the Knicks a small edge, but respect for the veteran savvy of Brooklyn's guys and Terry's past clutch play swing this Brooklyn's way.

PG: Brooks > de Colo
.  Nando's still learning the NBA game, and Brooks has better stats despite getting yanked around in Sacramento, and a fair amount of playoff experience to boot.

Deep bench: Villanueva + James Johnson + Beverley >>> Camby + Toine + whoever #13 is.  Pretty self-evident - won't be very relevant unless there are injuries or foul trouble, but the Knicks' better deep bench gives them lots of depth and lineup flexibility.

EDIT:  Oops, forgot the most important part.  KNICKS in 6 - Book it!


That's my (possibly biased, definitely half-assed) breakdown.  Feel free to agree with me for TPs, or disagree and watch me get irrationally angry over nothing.  Cheers!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 01, 2013, 03:49:12 PM
I think it's clear the Memphis Grizzlies are the "2011-12 Celtics of the year."

I see a game 7 exit in the WCF (at the very least) ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 01, 2013, 03:52:57 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

I hope so, because Antoine Walker just put his future championship ring down as collateral for a horse racing bet  :P

Let's break our inevitable ECF down now, though.


Chicago is pleased with this kind of under estimation. Chicago is laughing...
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 01, 2013, 03:53:37 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

I hope so, because Antoine Walker just put his future championship ring down as collateral for a horse racing bet  :P

Let's break our inevitable ECF down now, though.


Chicago is pleased with this kind of under estimation. Chicago is laughing...

(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/29/1c9ca36a1fefcdcd4a18976c73d3b0f3/l.jpg)

Pretend I'm good enough at Photoshop to slap Iggy's face over Hinrich's.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 01, 2013, 03:58:17 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

I hope so, because Antoine Walker just put his future championship ring down as collateral for a horse racing bet  :P

Let's break our inevitable ECF down now, though.


Chicago is pleased with this kind of under estimation. Chicago is laughing...

(http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/29/1c9ca36a1fefcdcd4a18976c73d3b0f3/l.jpg)

Pretend I'm good enough at Photoshop to slap Iggy's face over Hinrich's.
oh yeah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNzGZTPjvmc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNzGZTPjvmc)

That's with a team that plays no defense. Now add the wall of defenders stopping EVERYTHING you throw at it.

Monta has got it all, man... Who's the ball hog now?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 01, 2013, 04:04:51 PM
oh yeah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNzGZTPjvmc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNzGZTPjvmc)

That's with a team that plays no defense. Now add the wall of defenders stopping EVERYTHING you throw at it.

Monta has got it all, man... Who's the ball hog now?

disagree and watch me get irrationally angry over nothing.

I BET U DONT EVEN LIFT
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on March 01, 2013, 04:05:26 PM
Lakers

Starters

PG: Deron Williams               17.3/3.2/7.7/42%/37%/86%
SG: JJ Redick                          15.1/2.4/4.4/45%/39%/90%
SF: Metta World Peace          12.7/5.5/1.5/40%/35%/74%
PF: Andrei Kirilenko                13.1/6.0/2.9/51%/31%/77%
C: Dwight Howard                  16.3/11.9/1.5/58%/25%/49%

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter                10.5/5.8/1.5/60%/0O%/74%
SF: Mike Dunleavy                   11.1/3.9/2.0/46%/43%/81%
PG: Devin Harris                      8.8/1.9/2.7/44%/35%/72%
SG: CJ Miles                            11.1/2.6/0.9/41%/38%/93%
C/PF: Brandon Wright             6.9/3.3/0.5/62%/00%/62%
PF: Marcus Morris                    8.4/3.9/0.8/43%/38%/64%
PG: Brian Roberts                    6.44/1.0/2.3/41%/37%/93%
SG: James Anderson              3.3/1.5/1.1/44%/40%/88%

Total Salary                       $82,580,000
Salary Cap Remaining   $16,720,000


PPG/RPG/APG/FG%/3PT%/FT%

Really like this team. Yes, the whole thing revolves around Howard and Williams having comebacks from nagging injuries in the second half for it to work, but I think both have already shown signs of this already. Also, these guys have been wanting to play on each others teams for years, that should appease both superstars.

The rest is fit and weapons in roles and I think the Lakers have tons of that. Devin Harris/CJ Miles/Mike Dunleavy/Marcus Morris/Tiago Splitter could beat 1 or 2 teams starting fives in this league. That's the Lakers bench. And on the Lakers deep bench is currently a player ranked in the top 10 for rookies so far this year by ESPN.com.

Not sure if it is the best team here, but I think its better than the current Lakers and I saved over $33 million when you include luxury tax that would have to have been paid on that money I saved.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 01, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
oh yeah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNzGZTPjvmc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNzGZTPjvmc)

That's with a team that plays no defense. Now add the wall of defenders stopping EVERYTHING you throw at it.

Monta has got it all, man... Who's the ball hog now?

disagree and watch me get irrationally angry over nothing.

I BET U DONT EVEN LIFT

Haven't been in a while (6 months now maybe, still paying for gym membership). Thank you for reminding me.  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 01, 2013, 04:09:54 PM
FWF, I agree the Knicks and Nets are clearly the class of the East.  I'd venture to say, whoever wins our battle wins the whole thing as well.

Couple of points a disagree on though.

-Chandler is obviously better than Gortat.  Gortat just needs to play his role on offense and keep Chandler off the boards.  I feel your team needs more from Chandler than mine needs from Gortat.  So, you get the individual advantage but it won't be much.

-Boozer vs Milsap is a wash.  I don't care how much some here hate him, Boozer is way better than people give him credit for.  Milsap isn't really equipped to take advantage of whatever defensive shortcomings Boozer has.

Melo/Butler vs Kobe/Kawhi.  Kobe and Melo are two of the premier scorers in this league.  Both are clutch as well.  The difference is, and why I give myself the slight edge here, Kawhi should be better able to defend Melo than Butler could Kobe.  Kawhi is also a deadly 3pt shooter, the perfect complement to Kobe.

Hill vs Conley.  I'll say it's a wash.  Hill is also one of the best defensive PG's in the league.  Neither player is going to be running the offense, so any advantage Conley has as a facilitator is negated.  The primary skill important here is ability to knock down an open shot.

Benches: I agree with pretty much everything you said.  No argument here.

Basically, I boil this matchup down to Kobe vs Melo.  Who you gonna trust in the big moment more?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 01, 2013, 04:16:11 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

Head Coach:  (11-time NBA World Champion)  Phil Jackson

Starting Lineup

 C- Marcin Gortat
PF- Carlos Boozer
SF- Kawhi Leonard
SG- Kobe Bryant
PG- George Hill

Bench

 C- Andray Blatche
PF- Udonis Haslem
SF- Matt Barnes
 G- Jason Terry
 G- Nando de Colo

Reserves:  Marcus Camby, Antoine Walker

I think your opinion of your team is significantly higher than most others.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 01, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
Ladies and germs....

Your 2013 CB Pick 2 CHAMPIONS!

Brooklyn Nets

I hope so, because Antoine Walker just put his future championship ring down as collateral for a horse racing bet  :P

Let's break our inevitable ECF down now, though.

C: Chandler >> Gortat.  Gortat's a nice player but doesn't do anything better than Chandler except a slight edge in shot blocking.  Chandler is clearly the superior defender and rebounder, has a a 5 pt advantage in PER and over double the win shares to boot.

PF: Millsap ~= Boozer
.  Boozer is a better rebounder but Millsap is a better shooter, passer, and defender, and can actually hit the 3 in a pinch.  I'm inclined to give Millsap a small edge, and I'm guessing most here would agree with me, but I'm willing to consider it a wash for argument's sake. 

SF: Carmelo >>> Kawhi.  Kawhi's a nice young role player, but still just a role player.  Carmelo's a top 10 player and future HOFer at the peak of his prime.  No contest.

SG: Butler <<< Kobe
.  I'd probably start Butler over Foye in this matchup to try and slow Kobe down.  Still a major matchup advantage in Brooklyn's favor, though - Kobe is slowing down just a bit, but still a top 10-12 player of all-time.  Again, no contest.

PG: Conley > Hill.  Hill is a slightly better scorer and significantly better rebounder.  Conley is a better distributor and a better defender.  Pretty much equal as shooters.  Very close but I give a small edge to Conley because defense wins made-up championships.

Benches:

Big Men:  Davis + O'Neal > Blatche + Haslem.  Davis is an up-and-coming big man with pretty sick advanced stats, and O'Neal is playing like his much younger self, dropping double-doubles with multiple blocks coming off Phoenix's bench.  Efficiency-wise he hasn't been this effective since 2007, and that's for the entire season, not just this hot streak. 

Blatche has had a rejuvenation of his own and is probably the best of the 4 this season, but Haslem has dropped off sharply and is bordering on irrelevancy.  Small edge to the Knicks with 2 strong contributors over 1.

Wings: Pondexter + Foye < Barnes + Terry
.  Almost like the younger versions of Brooklyn's bench here.  2 40+% three point shooters and tough D from Pondexter make me want to call it a push or even give the Knicks a small edge, but respect for the veteran savvy of Brooklyn's guys and Terry's past clutch play swing this Brooklyn's way.

PG: Brooks > de Colo
.  Nando's still learning the NBA game, and Brooks has better stats despite getting yanked around in Sacramento, and a fair amount of playoff experience to boot.

Deep bench: Villanueva + James Johnson + Beverley >>> Camby + Toine + whoever #13 is.  Pretty self-evident - won't be very relevant unless there are injuries or foul trouble, but the Knicks' better deep bench gives them lots of depth and lineup flexibility.

EDIT:  Oops, forgot the most important part.  KNICKS in 6 - Book it!


That's my (possibly biased, definitely half-assed) breakdown.  Feel free to agree with me for TPs, or disagree and watch me get irrationally angry over nothing.  Cheers!

I would see it as:

Starters
C: Gortat vs Tyson = neutral. Both players very similar.
PF: Boozer vs Millsap = advantage Millsap. More well-rounded PF.
Wings: Melo/J.Bulter vs Kawhi/Kobe = cancel one another out.
PG: Conley vs George Hill = advantage M.Conley due to his superior floor game and playmaking.

No way do I think Conley is a better defender than George Hill though. 

Bench
C: Blatche vs JO = advantage Blatche due to his offensive prowess
PF: Haslem vs E.Davis = neutral. Two nothing players who cancel one another.
SF: Barnes vs Pondexter = neutral.
SG: Terry vs Foye = I really dislike Foye but this is a good matchup for him. Neutral.
PG: De Colo vs Brooks = advantage Brooks over De Colo. I imagine Terry will eat up these minutes though. So that matchup would be neutral.

Deep Reserves

New York = I dislike Villanueva but I think he will be quite valuable on this team. More valuable than Ed Davis in fact and should be playing ahead of Ed Davis. James Johnson gives you an advantage over Antoine. Beverley, I don't know.

Brooklyn = Camby is a very good backup big man if he can get healthy. Antoine isn't an NBA player anymore. Nobody listed for final spot.

Overall

I think New York has a sizable advantage and takes the series against Brooklyn.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 01, 2013, 04:19:50 PM
Can I nominate myself for most improved from what I started with?  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 01, 2013, 04:19:51 PM
Basically, I boil this matchup down to Kobe vs Melo.  Who you gonna trust in the big moment more?

I'm glad you said so, because Melo consistently performs better in the clutch than Kobe. 

http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM (http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM)

The margin's been even wider in earlier seasons.  Kobe's had much better teams, but his actual individual clutch play has been worse than Melo's.

EDIT:  Another good table at the bottom here:  http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

1996-2011, final 24 seconds, down 1-2 points or tied, Melo 1st in FG%, Kobe 25th.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 01, 2013, 04:23:10 PM
The new-look Miami Heat:
Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford,
SF: John Salmons, Omri Casspi
PF: Chris Copeland ,  Kyle O'Quinn
Center: BJ Mullens, Kurt Thomas

Beat that.

Why did you go with a small backcourt of Mo Williams + Brandon Knight?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 01, 2013, 04:23:23 PM
Basically, I boil this matchup down to Kobe vs Melo.  Who you gonna trust in the big moment more?

I'm glad you said so, because Melo consistently performs better in the clutch than Kobe. 

http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM (http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM)

The margin's been even wider in earlier seasons.  Kobe's had much better teams, but his actual individual clutch play has been worse than Melo's.


5 rings>>>>>Zero rings  :P
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 01, 2013, 04:24:51 PM
Can I nominate myself for most improved from what I started with?  ;D
Washington made one hell of a leap. I would say they got the most improved team award wrapped up. Although, that late Joe Johnson trade may put their place in question.

You definitely did a great job with Milwaukee. They are a vastly improved squad. One of the biggest turnarounds, no doubt.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 01, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
Can I nominate myself for most improved from what I started with?  ;D

Agree with Who that Washington is my gut impulse for most improved, but you did a great job building up from a pretty bad initial position.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 04:31:03 PM
The Pick Two Cavaliers
"What I Did I Done And I Ain't Ashamed. A Confession Of Excellence"


For the old timers:
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h392/indeedproceed/Salaries.jpg)
Not Pictured: Nikola Mirotic. You should read about him. (http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/10/gibson-bulls-should-make-mirotic-untouchable-euroleague-heats-up/)

Depth Chart:
PG: Kyrie Irving (34) / Isaiah Thomas (14)
SG: Lance Stephenson (32) / Wayne Ellington (16)
SF: Harrison Barnes (28) / Tobias Harris (10) / Dante Cunningham (10)
PF: Ryan Anderson (28) / Mirza Teletovic (10) / Tobias Harris (10)
C: Andrew Bynum (26) / Tyler Zeller (11) / Greg Smith (11)

IR/Overseas: Jason Richardson, Nikola Mirotic
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 01, 2013, 04:32:48 PM
The Pick Two Cavaliers
"What I Did I Done And I Ain't Ashamed. A Confession Of Excellence"


For the old timers:
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h392/indeedproceed/Salaries.jpg)

What site did you use to do that?

Edit: Or did you do it by yourself on Excel? If so, well done :P
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 01, 2013, 04:32:59 PM
Basically, I boil this matchup down to Kobe vs Melo.  Who you gonna trust in the big moment more?

I'm glad you said so, because Melo consistently performs better in the clutch than Kobe. 

http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM (http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM)

The margin's been even wider in earlier seasons.  Kobe's had much better teams, but his actual individual clutch play has been worse than Melo's.

EDIT:  Another good table at the bottom here:  http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

1996-2011, final 24 seconds, down 1-2 points or tied, Melo 1st in FG%, Kobe 25th.


5 rings>>>>>Zero rings  :P

Allow me to rebut that with a long, elaborate, thoroughly-sourced argument that conclusively shows that...hello, what's this here?

(http://www.randomtuesday.com/archive/Arrested%20Development/Season%202/scotch.gif)

Quittin time!  TPs all around for another fun Pick 2 draft.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 01, 2013, 04:42:08 PM
The new-look Miami Heat:
Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford,
SF: John Salmons, Omri Casspi
PF: Chris Copeland ,  Kyle O'Quinn
Center: BJ Mullens, Kurt Thomas

Beat that.

Why did you go with a small backcourt of Mo Williams + Brandon Knight?

You know, Miami would have been my hands down favorite if not for the terrible back-court situation.  Okafor, Bosh & LeBron is nasty.

Unfortunatley, Miami's two best guuards (Williams brothers) are injured and out indefinitely.  Knight is too inexperineced, and Crawford isn't worth discussing.


Anyways, this has been a blast!  Didn't think I'd have this much fun.  I look forward to joining the CB Draft if time permits.

TP's to all
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: snively on March 01, 2013, 04:44:44 PM
Rockets done:

Chalmers/R. Jackson/Prigioni
Harden/Manu
W. Chandler/Marvin Williams/Morrow
Nene/Hayes/Mike Scott
Hawes/Ezeli

$70.3/$70.3 salary used.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 01, 2013, 04:53:35 PM
I'm gonna write a long detailed report about my championship team. Expect it within 2 weeks ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 04:57:32 PM
I'm gonna write a long detailed report about my championship team. Expect it within 2 weeks ;)

Is Jae Crowder on that team? LOL. My offer stands.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 01, 2013, 05:02:47 PM
Rockets done:

Chalmers/R. Jackson/Prigioni
Harden/Manu
W. Chandler/Marvin Williams/Morrow
Nene/Hayes/Mike Scott
Hawes/Ezeli

$70.3/$70.3 salary used.

G: Mario Chalmers
G: Manu Ginobili
F: James Harden
F: Wilson Chandler
C: Nene

My oh my that would be a tough lineup to matchup against.

Two wing creators of Manu's + Harden's class. Floor spacing and speed and quickness with Mario Chalmers and Wilson Chandler. A mobile skilled offensive big man like Nene plugging the middle and running PnRs. Tough to stop.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on March 01, 2013, 07:21:17 PM
SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins  
PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) DeMar Derozan(3.34)
SF: Alonzo Gee(3.5) Dorell Wright(4.1) Jae Crowder(.6)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Matt Bonner(3.67) Al Harrington(6.6) 
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 67.47 Total: 70.3

Ok close to final roster I think.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on March 01, 2013, 07:24:57 PM
Rockets done:

Chalmers/R. Jackson/Prigioni
Harden/Manu
W. Chandler/Marvin Williams/Morrow
Nene/Hayes/Mike Scott
Hawes/Ezeli

$70.3/$70.3 salary used.

Rounding to the nearest ten thousandeth, your salary is $70.31 million.   :P

I think we can let it slide.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 01, 2013, 07:39:34 PM
SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins   
PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) DeMar Derozan(3.34)
SF: Alonzo Gee(3.5) Dorell Wright(4.1) Jae Crowder(.6)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Matt Bonner(3.67) Al Harrington(6.6) 
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 67.47 Total: 70.3

Ok close to final roster I think.

That small forward slot is a real pickle. Not sure who should go there.

I don't like A.Gee as a starting small forward. He doesn't have enough size/athleticism. Gets overpowered on a regular basis.

DeRozan has some similar issues. He has very good size for a SG but undersized at SF and loses the value of his post game offensively. But while DeRozan shares that flaw with A.Gee, he also brings a lot more scoring to the table. So advantage DeRozan.

Then there is Dorell Wright. He has the size and height but not the bulk or physical toughness required to be a starting three. Another guy who gets overpowered physically. The best jump-shooter and floor spacer of the bunch as well as the best ball-handler and passer. D.Wright also had very good on-court (and off-court) chemistry with D-Wade in Miami. Best floor spacer for Wade + Rubio.

I reckon it's between DeRozan and D.Wright. I wouldn't go with A.Gee. All three guys have defensive issues but both D.Wright and D.DeRozan bring a lot more to the table offensively so they should get the nod ahead of A.Gee in my opinion.

I think I'd go with DeRozan as the starting SF. I like D.Wright as a secondary ball-handler alongside CJ Watson off the bench. I think he gives your non-starting lineups better balance offensively. And use A.Gee as my backup SG.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 01, 2013, 07:45:57 PM
SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins   
PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) DeMar Derozan(3.34)
SF: Alonzo Gee(3.5) Dorell Wright(4.1) Jae Crowder(.6)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Matt Bonner(3.67) Al Harrington(6.6) 
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 67.47 Total: 70.3

Ok close to final roster I think.

I think your bench is very strong.

PG: CJ Watson = good backup PG
SG: A.Gee = very good backup SG (or an excellent one in DeRozan)
SF: D.Wright = very good backup SF
PF: M.Bonner = decent backup PF
C:  C.Andersen = good to very good backup center

A nice five man unit.

A spread offense with a four out one in alignment. CJ Watson and Dorell Wright attacking off the dribble. Matt Bonner spacing the floor. Chris Andersen ducking in for easy hoops. Maybe some post-ups for A.Gee.

Defensively, a good anchor in Chris Andersen. A strong defensive backcourt in CJ Watson and Alonzo Gee. Dorell Wright gives good activity and athleticism. Bonner is a lost cause. Plenty of help around him though. Solid rebounding unit too.

Ricky Rubio could slot in there instead of CJ Watson to give Rubio some more opportunities to be the main attacker offensively. That lineup would work great offensively with a passer like Rubio running the show.

I really like that second unit. A lot of talent there. A lot of nice pieces.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on March 01, 2013, 07:46:50 PM
I;m going to defend the work of Lucky and I. We improved Portland's starters, have a legit bench (unlike real Portland) and still have young developing talents in Lillard, Jonas and Earl Clark.

Plus we can amnesty Joe Johnson in a year or two if need be.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on March 01, 2013, 08:10:30 PM

Post trade, draft done


Warriors  (12.1 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG DeShawn Stevenson
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
PG Nelson
PG Marshall
SG Jamal Crawford
SF/SG  Pietrus
PF Landry
C  Zaza
C  Fab Melo





Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 01, 2013, 08:19:48 PM

Post trade, draft done


Warriors  (12.1 million left to spend)

PG  Curry
SG DeShawn Stevenson
SF Gallinari
PF Lavoy Allen
C  M. Gasol


Bench
PG Nelson
PG Marshall
SG Jamal Crawford
SF/SG  Pietrus
PF Landry
C  Zaza
C  Fab Melo

I think one of the underrated things about DeShawn Stevenson is how good a ball-handler and a passer he is. Not a guy you want creating things but a capable secondary ball-handler and decision maker.

D.Stevenson was really good for Gilbert Arenas in Washington. Very useful skills for your off-guard to have when alongside a scoring PG. Helps ball movement.

Unlike say M.Pietrus who can't be trusted to make decisions when he touches the ball. Weak handle and passing. Makes bad decisions. Error prone. Bad for ball-movement. 

D.Stevenson is a real nice fit in that starting lineup. Understated glue guy. Great pick.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on March 01, 2013, 08:36:40 PM
SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins   
PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) DeMar Derozan(3.34)
SF: Alonzo Gee(3.5) Dorell Wright(4.1) Jae Crowder(.6)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Matt Bonner(3.67) Al Harrington(6.6) 
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 67.47 Total: 70.3

Ok close to final roster I think.

You're team changed a lot
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on March 01, 2013, 09:46:19 PM
The new-look Miami Heat:
Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford,
SF: John Salmons, Omri Casspi
PF: Chris Copeland ,  Kyle O'Quinn
Center: BJ Mullens, Kurt Thomas

Beat that.

Why did you go with a small backcourt of Mo Williams + Brandon Knight?

You know, Miami would have been my hands down favorite if not for the terrible back-court situation.  Okafor, Bosh & LeBron is nasty.

Unfortunatley, Miami's two best guuards (Williams brothers) are injured and out indefinitely.  Knight is too inexperineced, and Crawford isn't worth discussing.
That's it?  the worst criticism is that the backcourt is short and that Knight isn't experienced?  He's got more than Rondo had in the 2008 season.

Granted, Lou and Mo are hurt at the moment but this is a team that will be a contender for years.  No one ready for retirement or breaking down except maybe Salmons.  a number of players developing into their prime or in it now.

I think it's a pretty solid contender. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on March 01, 2013, 10:41:55 PM
The new-look Miami Heat:
Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford,
SF: John Salmons, Omri Casspi
PF: Chris Copeland ,  Kyle O'Quinn
Center: BJ Mullens, Kurt Thomas

Beat that.

Why did you go with a small backcourt of Mo Williams + Brandon Knight?

You know, Miami would have been my hands down favorite if not for the terrible back-court situation.  Okafor, Bosh & LeBron is nasty.

Unfortunatley, Miami's two best guuards (Williams brothers) are injured and out indefinitely.  Knight is too inexperineced, and Crawford isn't worth discussing.
That's it?  the worst criticism is that the backcourt is short and that Knight isn't experienced?  He's got more than Rondo had in the 2008 season.

Granted, Lou and Mo are hurt at the moment but this is a team that will be a contender for years.  No one ready for retirement or breaking down except maybe Salmons.  a number of players developing into their prime or in it now.

I think it's a pretty solid contender.

Any team with Lebron is a contender the type of team you build around him determines whether you have the best team in the league or not and unfortunately i think you dont
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 10:48:35 PM
So y'all don't wanna talk cavs huh? That's fine. But, if ya did,

Irving/Thomas
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/Harris
Anderson/Cunningham/Teletovic
Bynum/Zeller/Greg Smith

Obviously this is not my teams minutes breakdowns, but, that's me.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on March 01, 2013, 10:51:15 PM
So y'all don't wanna talk cavs huh? That's fine. But, if ya did,

Irving/Thomas
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/Harris
Anderson/Cunningham/Teletovic
Bynum/Zeller/Greg Smith

Obviously this is not my teams minutes breakdowns, but, that's me.

Start Tobias over Barnes  ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on March 01, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
So y'all don't wanna talk cavs huh? That's fine. But, if ya did,

Irving/Thomas
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/Harris
Anderson/Cunningham/Teletovic
Bynum/Zeller/Greg Smith

Obviously this is not my teams minutes breakdowns, but, that's me.

It's a well-constructed roster.  However, if Bynum isn't healthy, the team just doesn't work.  Anderson and Zeller would get murdered playing together in the front court. 

As much as I like Irving, I think your team would struggle except for the one year Bynum finally plays a healthy season.  During that year, your team could be dominant.  Probability tells us, though, that Bynum is going to suffer a major injury in at least 4 of the next 5 years.

(And yes, the big guy suffered yet another set back last week, and is probably out for the season.)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 01, 2013, 11:04:32 PM
Saw that Roy, been convienitently (sp?) not mentioning it.

But still, best euro import currently on the bench, with a buyout? I feel like I improved th team.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 01, 2013, 11:12:57 PM
So looks like this is the end of the road. Had a couple more deals I would of liked to push through but they didn't work out. Overall, learned a ton about how these drafts work and had a lot of fun.

So how's the team look? Comments will get a TP
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 11:14:42 PM
So looks like this is the end of the road. Had a couple more deals I would of liked to push through but they didn't work out. Overall, learned a ton about how these drafts work and had a lot of fun.

So how's the team look? Comments will get a TP

What happened to Kirk Hinrich?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 01, 2013, 11:19:26 PM
So looks like this is the end of the road. Had a couple more deals I would of liked to push through but they didn't work out. Overall, learned a ton about how these drafts work and had a lot of fun.

So how's the team look? Comments will get a TP

What happened to Kirk Hinrich?

I traded him as part of the Jamal Crawford deal
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 01, 2013, 11:24:39 PM
Chicago is amused by theblsck of respect its getting.

Chocago ia fine though, as if teams can score on them...
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 01, 2013, 11:38:07 PM
Chicago is amused by theblsck of respect its getting.

Chocago ia fine though, as if teams can score on them...

You mustn't have heard: Jason Smith out for the season with torn labrum. Announced tonight.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 01, 2013, 11:58:11 PM
Overall, learned a ton about how these drafts work and had a lot of fun.

Yeah, I had a lot of fun with this too, but more importantly learned some valuable lessons I will need to keep in mind if I decide to do any furher drafts here.

Basically, the biggest take away for me was, people's perceptions of players is almost as important as anything if you want to "win".  It's become apparent to me there are a few players, some deserving and some not, who are rather universally loathed here.

I don't say this to belittle anyone, and considering the whole premie is based in subjectivity, it just took me by surprise a little when it probably shouldn't have.

I'm extremely confident in my own abilities to assess talent and how to properly assemble a cohesive roster, but now see there is a little more to it than just that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on March 01, 2013, 11:59:12 PM
So looks like this is the end of the road. Had a couple more deals I would of liked to push through but they didn't work out. Overall, learned a ton about how these drafts work and had a lot of fun.

So how's the team look? Comments will get a TP

Did you ever get over the cap floor?  Your sig still shows 39M, which is well below it.  Anyway, wall of text coming.

PG:  A bit disappointing, given the overall depth at the PG position in this league, that Bledsoe was what you ended up with as a starter.  I love him as an energy guy off the bench.  As a starter, not so much.  Having said that, if his efficient deep shooting this year turns out to be more than a fluke, then I do think he fits well with Mayo.  He's a guy who can hide Mayo on defense to an extent, and if his jumpshot is legit then you may be able to get by with him starting.  Teague, on the other hand, is a project who isn't ready to contribute.

SG:  Mayo will probably be your primary ballhandler.  He should be a guy who can get you 20 a game, albeit on a lot of shots, and he flashes an ability to create for others as well.  On the negative side, he's not really a positive on defense and will need good defenders around him to hide his negative impact.  Bledsoe and George fit that bill, but Humphries and Vucevic do not.  Belinelli is a similarly flawed defender off the bench, but he can create shots for himself and others and will be a net positive overall.  Best player on your bench.  Jenkins is a nice little project with good potential as a sharpshooter. 

SF:  George is obviously the centerpiece of this team and is a good two-way player.  He's too inefficient to be the top dog on offense, but with Mayo likely handling those duties he should do pretty well.  Still, he's a mismatch with too much length and athleticism for many SF's to handle.  Unfortunately, he'll have to play a ton of minutes because neither Turkoglu nor Beasley is a positive asset on the court.  Beasley is running out of time to prove that he can help a team. 

PF:  A return to the starting spot may be the boost Humphries needs.  At his best, he's the best garbageman in the NBA.  Great offensive rebounder and can score a little without ever having his number called.  But why has his production dropped so much this year?  Is he just another player who mailed it in once he started getting paid?  Behind him, Randolph is another guy whose time is running out.  Not sure he'll ever be a valuable contributor.  If there's a silver lining, though, it's that this will be his first opportunity to get steady minutes since he came into the league.  Maybe that will turn the key for him.

C:  Vucevic is a nice young player, but many of his skills duplicate what Humphries offers.  One garbageman is a great asset, but two is a bit redundant and they hurt each other's production.  Also, both players are below average defenders and will allow many easy shots at the rim.  A bit disappointing that you didn't pair a potentially good perimeter defense with a defensive anchor in the paint.  Milicic is overrated by this site; he really isn't that good.  Just play Leonard.  He's not really ready to contribute yet, but with this team you can afford to let him learn on the job. 

Overall, it's a team with only two real scorers, poor interior defense, and a weak bench.  Having said that, George is a good player to build around and you have some guys with some nice potential.  You'll spend some years in the lottery, but with some luck in the draft this could turn into a decent team for the future. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 02, 2013, 07:00:25 AM
So looks like this is the end of the road. Had a couple more deals I would of liked to push through but they didn't work out. Overall, learned a ton about how these drafts work and had a lot of fun.

So how's the team look? Comments will get a TP

I would lineup like so:

PG: Marco Belinelli, Eric Bledsoe
OG: OJ Mayo, (P.George)
SF: Paul George, Hedo Turkoglu
PF: Michael Beasley, Kris Humphries
C:  Nikola Vucevic, Meyers Leonard

Deep reserves: John Jenkins, Evan Fournier, Anthony Randolph, Darko Milicic.

I think that is a pretty good team. 9 man rotation.



I would start Beasley because he is both the best individual player + the best fit alongside N.Vucevic. His jump-shooting and scoring ability at the big forward slot gives your team a good boost offensively.

Kris Humphries is too limited offensively and defensively to be starting alongside a player like Vucevic. Good garbage man big. He will be valuable off the bench.

I would start Belinelli over Bledsoe because I have always loved Belinelli's potential at PG and never really liked him as a SG.

I rate Belinelli as the superior floor general, playmaker, jump-shooter and scorer at the PG position over Bledsoe. Bledsoe with the superior defense and possession creation. I think Marco's superior offensive skill-set is a better fit in that starting lineup. It will create more stability within the team.

I like Bledsoe more in that backup PG where he can create mayhem off the bench with his energy and defensive ability. I also like having Hedo Turkoglu come off the bench alongside him because of Hedo's high level ball-handling and strong playmaking out of the pick and roll. Hedo will help take some pressure offensively off of Bledsoe.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 02, 2013, 07:23:39 AM
Chicago is amused by theblsck of respect its getting.

Chocago ia fine though, as if teams can score on them...

You mustn't have heard: Jason Smith out for the season with torn labrum. Announced tonight.

Dang it.

I guess Moultrie needs to step up now.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 02, 2013, 07:26:39 AM
The new-look Miami Heat:
Starters
Lebron James, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor, Brandon Knight, Mo Williams

Bench:
Guards: Lou Williams, Jordan Crawford,
SF: John Salmons, Omri Casspi
PF: Chris Copeland ,  Kyle O'Quinn
Center: BJ Mullens, Kurt Thomas

Beat that.

Why did you go with a small backcourt of Mo Williams + Brandon Knight?

You know, Miami would have been my hands down favorite if not for the terrible back-court situation.  Okafor, Bosh & LeBron is nasty.

Unfortunately, Miami's two best guards (Williams brothers) are injured and out indefinitely.  Knight is too inexperineced, and Crawford isn't worth discussing.
That's it?  the worst criticism is that the backcourt is short and that Knight isn't experienced?  He's got more than Rondo had in the 2008 season.

Granted, Lou and Mo are hurt at the moment but this is a team that will be a contender for years.  No one ready for retirement or breaking down except maybe Salmons.  a number of players developing into their prime or in it now.

I think it's a pretty solid contender.

So ... why did you choose to go with a small backcourt of Mo Williams and Brandon Knight?

I am just wondering. It seemed strange to me at the time.

You went big in the frontcourt with Okafor and Bosh together. It looked like you were going with a defensive first team. That can grind you down and beat you up. You know, a physical team. Powerful. LeBron, Bosh and Okafor.

Then you went with two undersized guards in Mo Williams and Brandon Knight. The opposite. Two guys who can be overpowered physically / athletically. Dodgy defensively. Neither guy has been dominant offensively. 

The fit seems odd to me. What were you hoping from them? What advantage did you see them bringing to the table for your team?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 02, 2013, 07:27:56 AM
Chicago is amused by theblsck of respect its getting.

Chocago ia fine though, as if teams can score on them...

You mustn't have heard: Jason Smith out for the season with torn labrum. Announced tonight.

Dang it.

I guess Moultrie needs to step up now.

Is that Danny Green (D.Green at SF) in your team sig?

Did you make a trade?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 02, 2013, 07:30:26 AM
So looks like this is the end of the road. Had a couple more deals I would of liked to push through but they didn't work out. Overall, learned a ton about how these drafts work and had a lot of fun.

So how's the team look? Comments will get a TP

Did you ever get over the cap floor?  Your sig still shows 39M, which is well below it.

Minny took Turkoglu's near $12 million contract with their final pick.

That got them over the minimum cap figure.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2013, 12:01:15 PM
Its all about upsides and downsides.

Upsides:
I found out about these guys. (http://www.youtube.com/user/BriTANicKdotcom?feature=watch)
Tobias Harris had 27 points in 31 minutes last night, and is looking like the steal of the draft.

Downsides:
Andrew Bynum, maybe getting season ending surgery, and I may owe NickAgneta 100 TP's.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 02, 2013, 01:16:41 PM
I may owe NickAgneta 100 TP's.

Might as well just pay him now and consider yourself lucky he didn't take you up on the 500 TP wager.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2013, 01:22:04 PM
I may owe NickAgneta 100 TP's.

Might as well just pay him now and consider yourself lucky he didn't take you up on the 500 TP wager.

Never. I'll pay it when its over.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on March 02, 2013, 01:37:17 PM


SUNS Pick 2: Coach: Doug Collins   

PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Alonzo Gee(3.5)
SF: DeMar Derozan(3.34) Dorell Wright(4.1) Jae Crowder(.6)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Matt Bonner(3.67) Al Harrington(6.6) 
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)
Cap used: 67.8 Total: 70.3

Final roster

I decided to start derozan at SF because he's too good for the bench. I was going to start wright for 3 point shooting but besides that derozan brings more to the table. I think I have a strong bench and  good prospect in crowder. I love the Rubio wade Lopez "big 3" if you will. I think Gerald Wallace is very capable of starting PF and his defense is good.i wanted to keep gortat and Dragic the entire time but I think some of the trades I had to make to drastically improve the suns as a whole.only 5 players on the roster I actually drafted, the rest acquired via trades.

I enjoyed participating with the new gm's and fellow returning gm's as usual, I looked forward to this again in the summer.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on March 02, 2013, 02:23:40 PM
2013 Pick 2 OKC Thunder ($5.42 cap space)

PG: Jrue Holiday, Kirk Hinrich, Keyon Dooling
SG: Keith Bogans, Alexey Shved, E'Twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant, Mickael Gelabale
PF: Josh Smith, Lamar Odom, (Jason Thompson)
C: Kendrick Perkins, Jason Thompson, Hasheem Thabeet

Finally done. Despite my sg problem it could be worse. I like my overall guard group with offense and defense. KD and Josh Smith can play big minutes and still have decent back ups when they sit. Center is flooded to play against different match ups.

Do playoffs start next week?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on March 02, 2013, 02:46:38 PM
Lakers

Starters

PG: Deron Williams               17.3/3.2/7.7/42%/37%/86%
SG: JJ Redick                          15.1/2.4/4.4/45%/39%/90%
SF: Metta World Peace          12.7/5.5/1.5/40%/35%/74%
PF: Andrei Kirilenko                13.1/6.0/2.9/51%/31%/77%
C: Dwight Howard                  16.3/11.9/1.5/58%/25%/49%

Bench

C/PF: Tiago Splitter                10.5/5.8/1.5/60%/0O%/74%
SF: Mike Dunleavy                   11.1/3.9/2.0/46%/43%/81%
PG: Devin Harris                      8.8/1.9/2.7/44%/35%/72%
SG: CJ Miles                            11.1/2.6/0.9/41%/38%/93%
C/PF: Brandon Wright             6.9/3.3/0.5/62%/00%/62%
PF: Marcus Morris                    8.4/3.9/0.8/43%/38%/64%
PG: Brian Roberts                    6.44/1.0/2.3/41%/37%/93%
SG: James Anderson              3.3/1.5/1.1/44%/40%/88%

Total Salary                       $82,580,000
Salary Cap Remaining   $16,720,000


PPG/RPG/APG/FG%/3PT%/FT%

Really like this team. Yes, the whole thing revolves around Howard and Williams having comebacks from nagging injuries in the second half for it to work, but I think both have already shown signs of this already. Also, these guys have been wanting to play on each others teams for years, that should appease both superstars.

The rest is fit and weapons in roles and I think the Lakers have tons of that. Devin Harris/CJ Miles/Mike Dunleavy/Marcus Morris/Tiago Splitter could beat 1 or 2 teams starting fives in this league. That's the Lakers bench. And on the Lakers deep bench is currently a player ranked in the top 10 for rookies so far this year by ESPN.com.

Not sure if it is the best team here, but I think its better than the current Lakers and I saved over $33 million when you include luxury tax that would have to have been paid on that money I saved.
Gotta admit at one point I almost did a trade that would have transformed this team to a running team and Mike D'Antoni would have been my coach.

Almost did a:

Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, and a 5th rounder

for

Russell Westbrook, Shawn Marion, JaVale McGee

Would have had Westbrook, Redick, Marion, Kirilenko, Splitter with McGee off the bench, a fifth rounder probably to grab a Isiah Thomas or Chase Buddinger or Marcus Thornton, threats in a running team environment.

Glad I didn't and stuck with what I did.

Couple things about this Laker team:

Except for Howard and Morris and Wright, the rest of the team are dang good FT shooters. There's a group at around 75% but the Lakers have a bunch of near 90% FT shooters in Williams, Redick, Miles, Roberts and Anderson.

Though I don't think the back court defense will be excellent it will be enough to make this a very good team defense with Artest/Kirilenko/Howard.

Offensively, its up to Williams to get Howard set up and for the rest of the starters to space the floor and drive off high Howard picks or shoot over collapsed defenses, hitting threes and getting Howard that space.

Proud of the bench. Splitter, Dunleavy, Miles, Harris and Morris will get the yeoman's minutes in the rotation with Anderson, Wright and Roberts grabbing the end bench. Splitter still gives the middle some strength, Dunleavy and Miles space the floor. Harris is a former All-Star who has been pretty good in his backup role in Atlanta this year after a couple lost seasons. Morris is a young kid with energy and all around game.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 02, 2013, 03:35:35 PM
Overall, learned a ton about how these drafts work and had a lot of fun.

Yeah, I had a lot of fun with this too, but more importantly learned some valuable lessons I will need to keep in mind if I decide to do any furher drafts here.

Basically, the biggest take away for me was, people's perceptions of players is almost as important as anything if you want to "win".  It's become apparent to me there are a few players, some deserving and some not, who are rather universally loathed here.

I don't say this to belittle anyone, and considering the whole premie is based in subjectivity, it just took me by surprise a little when it probably shouldn't have.

I'm extremely confident in my own abilities to assess talent and how to properly assemble a cohesive roster, but now see there is a little more to it than just that.

Yea, I noticed similar things. Draft positions and trades are all based on perception and there were some guys I was really suprised everyone liked so much and there were guys who I regarded very highly and people could care less about said player.

It was a ton of fun but I will certainly take a different approach next time as it seems if you build a young team you have to spend more time defending your team than actually drafting lol I feel building a contender with older players is the way to go in these types of drafts
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 02, 2013, 03:45:13 PM
Remember the unwritten code- if ur asking for people to comment on ur team do some commenting of ur own.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 02, 2013, 04:19:42 PM
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Jerryd Bayless says deal with it.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2013, 05:25:22 PM
IP's Thoughts On The Bucks:

PG: Russell Westbrook / Jerryd Bayless
SG: Wesley Matthews / Terrence Ross
SF: Trevor Ariza / Martell Webster / Terrence Williams
PF: David Lee / Jason Maxiell / Ivan Johnson
C: JaVale McGee / Ian Mahinmi

I love: The shot creation potential Westbrook/Matthews/Lee brings to the lineup. Everything starts with him obviously, and while Westbrook's synergy stats on offense aren't really all that great, this is one case where I absolutely refuse to believe having David Lee around won't improve his good but not great pick and roll results thus far. Wes Matthews also is extremely efficient so far this year as the pick and roll ball handler, even though he hasn't done all that much of it this season with Lillard operating so very well in that role, and likely won't be doing a ton of that with Westbrook playing the role here.

I Like: Terrence Ross as a prospect on the wing, especially if he adds 8-10 lbs of muscle in the next year or so and develops into the defender many project him to be. I also like what Martell Webster has done to his game in Washington, something I was completely ignorant about until this draft.

I am neutral on: Maxiell, Johnson, Bayless and T-Will. Personally, for the Celtics sake, I hope Terrance Williams has or will take a step forward, but I really doubt that's in the cards.

I don't like: Javale McGee, Trevor Ariza. Ariza has been getting outplayed by Webster in Washington, he's been shooting better from range which is something the Bucks need, and Ariza is known for his poor shot selection, which is something the Bucks don't need. Westbrook is a very valuable player, but he does still shoot less than 45% from the field, and will be taking the highest volume of shots. Ideally, to maximize him, you want everyone around him to be as efficient as possible, to mitigate somewhat Westbrook's scoring. Also, I am just not a believer in McGee, at least right now. All the right talents, none of the common sense. And he's not a low mistake guy like Perkins is. If he's to play big minutes, he'll make 1 head scratcher for every jaw dropper.

Actual Success: I think this team has a strong shot at the playoffs, close to a certainty. I don't see them as a contender, but they'll scare the ever living crap out of a team in the first round, and shouldn't by any means be discounted from going beyond.

Pick Two Success: Really loved what AB did here, even though the real-life Bucks are looking like a playoff lock at this point in real life, that has more to do with all 7 of the 15 teams behind them being in the midst of a full-on rebuild than the Bucks being a real playoff team at just .500. What AB did was build a possible 50 win team out of a 40 win one, and well done at that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2013, 06:16:56 PM
IP's Thoughts On The Suns:

PG: Ricky Rubio(3.5) CJ Watson(.992)
SG: Dwyane Wade(17.1) Alonzo Gee(3.5)
SF: DeMar Derozan(3.34) Dorell Wright(4.1) Jae Crowder(.6)
PF: Gerald Wallace(9.88) Matt Bonner(3.67) Al Harrington(6.6)
C:   Brook Lopez(13.67) Chris Andersen(.854)

I love: Ricky Rubio, Wade, and Brook Lopez as the foundation of an offense. Rubio's passing is a boon here, Lopez's shooting is a space-maker, and Wade's slashing and scoring is the thing that will eat-up that space.

I like: The mix of the 4's. Wallace is a defender, Bonner is a sniper, and Al Harrington is a crafty scorer all-around, if a step slower than he used to be. I also like the prospects in DeRozen and Crowder. DeRozen is a possible All-Star, and Crowder will at worst probably a dogged defender and hustle monster for the next decade.

Neutral On: Alonzo Gee, CJ Watson, Birdman. All capable rotation players on a good team, none necessarily ideal, and Gee in particular not really a good 'fit' here, despite his talent.

I hate: The fit of team's other pieces. Shooting will be a very, very scarce resource, even with Bonner on board. Rebounding will also rely very heavily on the guards and I don't think it'll be enough to makeup for the disparity in the frontcourt. When Wallace has played the 4 next to Lopez, the Nets rebounding rate drops a near 10% from the mark by the starters. Wade and Rubio are above average rebounders for their positions, Wade should even be considered elite, but DeRozen is well below average as a rebounder at the 3.

Actual Success: Surefire playoff team, very talented, fringe contender in all liklihood (a lot like the actual Nets now). Rubio's health and Wade's fragility will likely hold them back though, and while their talent deserves a higher seed, if I had to bet money, which I'm terrible at, I'd bet they're a 4 or 5 seed.

Pick Two Success: Turned Dragic and Gortat, two average starters for their positions, into Wade and Lopez, two elite starters. Smart drafting, ruthless trading, and knowing when to say no (despite I might add, merciless spamming by myself and I'm sure others) has led to a very strong roster. Its not without its flaws, but the shine is a lot brighter than the stains. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on March 02, 2013, 06:22:35 PM
Hey, if you're doing all of these (I think you have in the past) then hold off on mine for a bit.  I have one last trade with jgod that I think we both accept, just waiting to hear back from him.  Once I get word, I'll be all set.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 02, 2013, 06:24:12 PM
IP's Thoughts On The Bucks:
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Wow, thanks IP for the very thorough evaluation. Let me try to do it justice...

Guards: K Irving / I Thomas / L Stephenson
Forwards: R Anderson / H Barnes / T Harris / D Cunningham / M Teletovic
Bigs: Bynum / G Smith / T Zeller

Ever since I spied on the CB draft this past summer (yeah, I was a lurker), I've been a huge fan of Kyrie Irving. In fact, IP and I considered a swap of franchises at the start of this (since the Hawks were still on the board at my pick) and I almost went through with it because I think he's a legit star in this league. He's obviously your foundation.

Truth be told, if I somehow got the Cavs to fall to me, I was going to make the same choices in keepers that IP made: Irving and Thompson. Though Thompson's defense has underwhelmed, he does a lot of things right and I think as the third big on a contender he could flourish. That said, IP wasn't going to become a contender unless he moved Thompson, because he'd probably have trouble getting star big men with a late pick in the draft rounds.

Ok, so now onto evaluations...

I love: Kyrie (as I said), Barnes, and Harris. Like Kyrie, Barnes is a very talented young player. I think he has the potential to develop into a top-10 SF in the league some years down the road. He's a talented scorer, a good rebounder, and he's smart. I love Harris because he was a great value pick for you so late in the draft. I considered him at a few points, but I felt I already had two serviceable SFs in Ariza and Webster.

I like: Anderson, Thomas. I don't love Anderson because he just doesn't seem like he has a position in the NBA. Personal opinion, he's a little too soft to be a PF, and a little too slow to be a SF. That said, he's a fantastic scorer and a good rebounder and that can't be ignored. Thomas is a great scorer off the bench, and can keep up the pace that Kyrie initiates at the start of every game.

Neutral: Stephenson, Smith, Zeller. My friend at school is a Pacers fan, and the general consensus among Pacers fans is that Stephenson is a little boneheaded. Perhaps Kyrie's smarts will be able to counterbalance that (or even rub off on him) but I wouldn't know until they actually played. Smith and Zeller, while good prospects, are not really good enough to be the backups on a contender. Much like Stiemsma and Hollins for the Celtics last year; they'll get the job done, but there are better options.

His own paragraph: Bynum. I think it was a super high-risk high-reward type move for you to make in trading for him, and I know a lot of people disagreed with it, but to be a contender in this league (unless youre the cHeat) you have to take risks, especially coming out of the middle of the pack as you were. A team centered around Kyrie and Thomas won't contend; a team centered around Kyrie and Bynum at least has a chance.

Dislike: Teletovic. This guy is not the sharpest tool in the shed (yeah I was listening to Smash Mouth as I wrote this... deal with it!) and I really would have liked to see you pick up a bruiser to offset Ryan Anderson's aforementioned softness.

Success with Bynum: a true contender, with talent at every position and a team that anyone would be scared to play in the playoffs.
Success without Bynum: see the real-life Sixers, with Jrue and Turner's talent packaged into Kyrie.

Overall: one of my favorite teams in this draft. There are tougher teams out there, sure, but I think this team would be extremely exciting to watch.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2013, 06:36:42 PM
IP's Thoughts On The Thunder:

PG: Jrue Holiday, Kirk Hinrich, Keyon Dooling
SG: Keith Bogans, Alexey Shved, E'Twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant, Mickael Gelabale
PF: Josh Smith, Lamar Odom, (Jason Thompson)
C: Kendrick Perkins, Jason Thompson, Hasheem Thabeet

I Love: Foundation around Holiday, Durant, and Smith. Very similar to what the Thunder have now, although weaker in some areas, they're stronger in others. While not the current flavor of the month, I think Smith to be at worst a peer of Ibaka's on defense, if not his better. On offense, Ibaka has a very definite skill with a jumper, but Smith is a much better package. He always gets accused of having a terrible shot selection, but people forget he's the first option on offense and was every time Joe Johnson wasn't on the floor. With Durant he is the clear as day second option, and between holiday and Durant, Smith should have plenty of good looks and passes that set him up to do the most damage.

I like: Shved, Thompson, Odom on the bench. Although Id like it more if Odom and Shved were consistently good, Shved especially. Perkins I like as well for all the usual reasons, and I don't love him for all the usual reasons.

Neutral on: Bogans, Hinrich, Thabeet. They'll do what they can, won't impress.

Hate: Really, nothing. Not that I love everything about the team, but there isn't anything Im especially down on. Not a fan of Gebale, but he's barely gonna play. The SG spot should be better, but 3 and D is what's needed there. You really need Smith and Odom to be hot offensively, because there isn't a difference maker on the bench like Martin or Harden, but it's still a very good team.

Actual Success: contender, maybe the best in the West.

Pick Two Success: Moving Westbrook was a hard choice to make. But I think it worked out. Two all-stars for one. It's not a trade you make without Durant on the team, but with Durant, I think it made your team more balanced. Gaping hole in reliable bench scoring, but a heck of a starting unit.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on March 02, 2013, 06:38:03 PM
Final roster
Coach: Scott Brooks

Lawson/ Augustin/ Fisher
Beal / Rip Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young/ Jan
Thad Young/ Sully/ Mirotic
DMC/ Haywood
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on March 02, 2013, 06:46:08 PM
IP's Thoughts On The Thunder:

PG: Jrue Holiday, Kirk Hinrich, Keyon Dooling
SG: Keith Bogans, Alexey Shved, E'Twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant, Mickael Gelabale
PF: Josh Smith, Lamar Odom, (Jason Thompson)
C: Kendrick Perkins, Jason Thompson, Hasheem Thabeet

I Love: Foundation around Holiday, Durant, and Smith. Very similar to what the Thunder have now, although weaker in some areas, they're stronger in others. While not the current flavor of the month, I think Smith to be at worst a peer of Ibaka's on defense, if not his better. On offense, Ibaka has a very definite skill with a jumper, but Smith is a much better package. He always gets accused of having a terrible shot selection, but people forget he's the first option on offense and was every time Joe Johnson wasn't on the floor. With Durant he is the clear as day second option, and


(will finish later)

Love a good cliffhanger, especially when it stops before it gets real ugly  :)

Thanks IP
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2013, 07:15:58 PM
Finished Thunder.

AB, thanks for the write up and praise. Agree with most everything, although of course Im a little higher on my guys, but they're my guys so..figures.

Teletovic, I drafted because he's just not as bad as he looks right now. He's getting used to the NBA 3pt line, and I'll bet my shirt that he turns into a difference maker for NJ next season.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 02, 2013, 07:47:59 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday, Kirk Hinrich, Keyon Dooling
SG: Keith Bogans, Alexey Shved, E'Twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant, Mickael Gelabale
PF: Josh Smith, Lamar Odom, (Jason Thompson)
C: Kendrick Perkins, Jason Thompson, Hasheem Thabeet

I really like the idea of this team with Lamar Odom at center instead of Perk in a running team. Paul Westphal is the coach. He'd be great with that type of a team.

Josh Smith would be incredible at power forward in that type of a setup.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 02, 2013, 08:00:28 PM
Final roster
Coach: Scott Brooks

Lawson/ Augustin/ Fisher
Beal / Rip Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young/ Jan
Thad Young/ Sully/ Mirotic
DMC/ Haywood

Love this line up. Pretty sure you win for best young team
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 02, 2013, 08:02:27 PM
Wow, IP sure does go all out with the write-ups.  I can't wait to see what he says about my team, if he dares.  ;)

Not gonna pretend to be the wordsmith you are IP, but I do actually like the team you've built.  Irving and Barnes are going to be something special together in a few years.  Anderson is defintely a good complement at PF.  His ability to spread the floor will work great with the drive and dish gaame of Irving, and Barnes ability to get to get the basket as well.

You just have make sure to just let Bynum sign elsewhere next year though.  Dude is washed up.  I'd imagine you should still have cap space to figure out a better option at center with Bynum's contract off the books.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 02, 2013, 08:06:12 PM
Detroit Pistons (Newsies)
PG: Darren Collison 2.3/ Rodney Stuckey 8.5
SG: Courtney Lee 5.0/Willie Green 1.3/ Rodrigue Beaubois 2.3
SF:Chandler Parsons 0.88/Stephen Jackson 10.0/ Perry Jones 1.0
PF: Greg Monroe 3.2/Tyler Hansborogh 3.0/Austin Daye 3.0
C: Andre Drummond 2.3/Andrea Bargnani 10.0

Total Money spent: 52.7

More economical and better.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 02, 2013, 08:06:26 PM
Final roster
Coach: Scott Brooks

Lawson/ Augustin/ Fisher
Beal / Rip Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young/ Jan
Thad Young/ Sully/ Mirotic
DMC/ Haywood

Love this line up. Pretty sure you win for best young team

There's a few other's I would put up there too, but this has to be the best young line-up.

My only question is, is  this the right enviroment for DMC to reach his full potential?  It seems like the whole thing here hinges on him.  As good as Lawson is, and Beal/MKG probably will be, DMC is the only one with true super-star potential.

Brooks is probably the right coach for the job though.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 02, 2013, 08:25:02 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday, Kirk Hinrich, Keyon Dooling
SG: Keith Bogans, Alexey Shved, E'Twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant, Mickael Gelabale
PF: Josh Smith, Lamar Odom, (Jason Thompson)
C: Kendrick Perkins, Jason Thompson, Hasheem Thabeet

I really like the idea of this team with Lamar Odom at center instead of Perk in a running team. Paul Westphal is the coach. He'd be great with that type of a team.

Josh Smith would be incredible at power forward in that type of a setup.


I disagree, there's no way Lamar Odom can be a center unless it's in a celebrity basketball game. Nowhere near strong enough nor committed enough to taking contact.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2013, 08:30:36 PM
Wow, IP sure does go all out with the write-ups.  I can't wait to see what he says about my team, if he dares.  ;)

Not gonna pretend to be the wordsmith you are IP, but I do actually like the team you've built.  Irving and Barnes are going to be something special together in a few years.  Anderson is defintely a good complement at PF.  His ability to spread the floor will work great with the drive and dish gaame of Irving, and Barnes ability to get to get the basket as well.

You just have make sure to just let Bynum sign elsewhere next year though.  Dude is washed up.  I'd imagine you should still have cap space to figure out a better option at center with Bynum's contract off the books.

One thing I found out that was pretty interesting: In trade talks the Hornets have made Ryan Anderson (still just 24 yrs old on a very affordable contract) untouchable. They're committed to keeping him, and it cost them a deal on the table for Pau Gasol.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on March 02, 2013, 08:36:32 PM
Wow, IP sure does go all out with the write-ups.  I can't wait to see what he says about my team, if he dares.  ;)

Not gonna pretend to be the wordsmith you are IP, but I do actually like the team you've built.  Irving and Barnes are going to be something special together in a few years.  Anderson is defintely a good complement at PF.  His ability to spread the floor will work great with the drive and dish gaame of Irving, and Barnes ability to get to get the basket as well.

You just have make sure to just let Bynum sign elsewhere next year though.  Dude is washed up.  I'd imagine you should still have cap space to figure out a better option at center with Bynum's contract off the books.

One thing I found out that was pretty interesting: In trade talks the Hornets have made Ryan Anderson (still just 24 yrs old on a very affordable contract) untouchable. They're committed to keeping him, and it cost them a deal on the table for Pau Gasol.

Give me Anderson over Gasol any day of the week
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 02, 2013, 08:43:00 PM
Wow, IP sure does go all out with the write-ups.  I can't wait to see what he says about my team, if he dares.  ;)

Not gonna pretend to be the wordsmith you are IP, but I do actually like the team you've built.  Irving and Barnes are going to be something special together in a few years.  Anderson is defintely a good complement at PF.  His ability to spread the floor will work great with the drive and dish gaame of Irving, and Barnes ability to get to get the basket as well.

You just have make sure to just let Bynum sign elsewhere next year though.  Dude is washed up.  I'd imagine you should still have cap space to figure out a better option at center with Bynum's contract off the books.

One thing I found out that was pretty interesting: In trade talks the Hornets have made Ryan Anderson (still just 24 yrs old on a very affordable contract) untouchable. They're committed to keeping him, and it cost them a deal on the table for Pau Gasol.

I think Pau Gasol is actually the superior player but for NO he makes no sense
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on March 02, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
Wow, IP sure does go all out with the write-ups.  I can't wait to see what he says about my team, if he dares.  ;)

Not gonna pretend to be the wordsmith you are IP, but I do actually like the team you've built.  Irving and Barnes are going to be something special together in a few years.  Anderson is defintely a good complement at PF.  His ability to spread the floor will work great with the drive and dish gaame of Irving, and Barnes ability to get to get the basket as well.

You just have make sure to just let Bynum sign elsewhere next year though.  Dude is washed up.  I'd imagine you should still have cap space to figure out a better option at center with Bynum's contract off the books.

One thing I found out that was pretty interesting: In trade talks the Hornets have made Ryan Anderson (still just 24 yrs old on a very affordable contract) untouchable. They're committed to keeping him, and it cost them a deal on the table for Pau Gasol.

I think Pau Gasol is actually the superior player but for NO he makes no sense

Ryan Anderson gives you a better bang for your buck
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2013, 11:01:04 PM
Teletovic, 10 minutes, 4-7 from the field, 1-2 from range, +3 tonight against the bulls. Kind of exactly what you want from your bench stretch 4.

Just sound drafting here folks, nothin magic about it, despite how it might look.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 02, 2013, 11:10:22 PM
Teletovic, 10 minutes, 4-7 from the field, 1-2 from range, +3 tonight against the bulls. Kind of exactly what you want from your bench stretch 4.

Just sound drafting here folks, nothin magic about it, despite how it might look.

(http://edge-img.datpiff.com/mdc65359/Young_T_the_Messenger_Dude_No_One_Cares-front-large.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2013, 11:23:20 PM
Sorry if you can't appreciate quality. Explains why you drafted Bargnani.

4-13 shooting tonight. Weak sauce.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 02, 2013, 11:30:37 PM
Let's not get carried away here with the insults ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Lucky17 on March 02, 2013, 11:34:08 PM
PG: Jrue Holiday, Kirk Hinrich, Keyon Dooling
SG: Keith Bogans, Alexey Shved, E'Twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant, Mickael Gelabale
PF: Josh Smith, Lamar Odom, (Jason Thompson)
C: Kendrick Perkins, Jason Thompson, Hasheem Thabeet

I really like the idea of this team with Lamar Odom at center instead of Perk in a running team. Paul Westphal is the coach. He'd be great with that type of a team.

Josh Smith would be incredible at power forward in that type of a setup.


I disagree, there's no way Lamar Odom can be a center unless it's in a celebrity basketball game. Nowhere near strong enough nor committed enough to taking contact.

Yeah, I'd rather put JT ahead of Odom at C. Quicker, stronger, tougher.

Would have loved to pair JT with LMA in our frontcourt.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 02, 2013, 11:38:18 PM
Sorry if you can't appreciate quality. Explains why you drafted Bargnani.

4-13 shooting tonight. Weak sauce.

You know who had a dominant night? Andrew Bynum.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 03, 2013, 12:43:01 AM
Sorry if you can't appreciate quality. Explains why you drafted Bargnani.

4-13 shooting tonight. Weak sauce.

You know who had a dominant night? Andrew Bynum.

Ohhhh you marvelous sonofabiscuit. That was well played.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 03, 2013, 01:16:18 AM
http://m.deadspin.com/5988117/the-philadelphia-district-attorney-trolled-andrew-bynums-bum-knees

Philly DA speculated Andrew Bynums knees warrant a grand jury investigation.

I'm consoling myself with one of the most perfect movies ever made; Grosse Point Blanc.

Action, humor, compelling character growth, and examination of what it means to happy, fulfilled, or ultimately empty.

Great movie, terrible knees.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 03, 2013, 06:33:33 AM
PG: Jrue Holiday, Kirk Hinrich, Keyon Dooling
SG: Keith Bogans, Alexey Shved, E'Twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant, Mickael Gelabale
PF: Josh Smith, Lamar Odom, (Jason Thompson)
C: Kendrick Perkins, Jason Thompson, Hasheem Thabeet

I really like the idea of this team with Lamar Odom at center instead of Perk in a running team. Paul Westphal is the coach. He'd be great with that type of a team.

Josh Smith would be incredible at power forward in that type of a setup.


I disagree, there's no way Lamar Odom can be a center unless it's in a celebrity basketball game. Nowhere near strong enough nor committed enough to taking contact.

Yeah, I'd rather put JT ahead of Odom at C. Quicker, stronger, tougher.

Would have loved to pair JT with LMA in our frontcourt.

Jason Thompson is a 6-11 250lbs man who plays like he is 6-7 210lbs.

JT can't play the five. He gets murdered there. Absolute train wreck.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 03, 2013, 06:43:51 AM
PG: Jrue Holiday, Kirk Hinrich, Keyon Dooling
SG: Keith Bogans, Alexey Shved, E'Twaun Moore
SF: Kevin Durant, Mickael Gelabale
PF: Josh Smith, Lamar Odom, (Jason Thompson)
C: Kendrick Perkins, Jason Thompson, Hasheem Thabeet

I really like the idea of this team with Lamar Odom at center instead of Perk in a running team. Paul Westphal is the coach. He'd be great with that type of a team.

Josh Smith would be incredible at power forward in that type of a setup.


I disagree, there's no way Lamar Odom can be a center unless it's in a celebrity basketball game. Nowhere near strong enough nor committed enough to taking contact.

I think Odom has enough size and physical toughness to play the five. Similar to Bosh (physical makeup, defensive ability, rebounding ability). Not the ideal or typical profile for a center but he can do it if required.

The big question for me is could he get his offensive game in track. Obviously, it is not worth it if Odom can't get his game back to a high level. But if Odom can, then he will have an easier time defending opposing fives than they will defending him. They (opposing centers) will cause Odom some problems defensively but he will cause even more problems for them with his offensive game. A net positive.

The matchup advantages Odom would create in the high post with his quickness, ball-handling, passing and driving game would be a major asset to Oklahoma. Combined with the similar qualities Josh Smith possesses and Oklahoma would have one of the toughest big man duos in the league to matchup against because of their skill-set + quickness.

Even if Odom cannot regain his top form, I still think he is the best man for the backup center job playing 20-25 minutes a night there behind Perk. Probably wouldn't have a running game with J.Thompson but, even with a more limited Odom, it would be fun to see Lamar Odom and Josh Smith play together.

I always wanted to see Odom play the five in Phoenix alongside Nash and D'Antoni.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 03, 2013, 07:09:16 AM
Final roster
Coach: Scott Brooks

Lawson/ Augustin/ Fisher
Beal / Rip Hamilton
MKG/ Nick Young/ Jan
Thad Young/ Sully/ Mirotic
DMC/ Haywood

Love this line up. Pretty sure you win for best young team

There's a few other's I would put up there too, but this has to be the best young line-up.

My only question is, is  this the right enviroment for DMC to reach his full potential?  It seems like the whole thing here hinges on him.  As good as Lawson is, and Beal/MKG probably will be, DMC is the only one with true super-star potential.

Brooks is probably the right coach for the job though.

I really like MKG next to Cousins. The intensity and defensive tenacity MKG plays with. Leadership (by example).
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on March 03, 2013, 08:56:56 AM
Sorry if you can't appreciate quality. Explains why you drafted Bargnani.

4-13 shooting tonight. Weak sauce.

You know who had a dominant night? Andrew Bynum.
OOOOHHHH  BURN!!  TP for that nasty slapdown.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 03, 2013, 11:04:21 AM
http://m.deadspin.com/5988117/the-philadelphia-district-attorney-trolled-andrew-bynums-bum-knees

Philly DA speculated Andrew Bynums knees warrant a grand jury investigation.

I'm consoling myself with one of the most perfect movies ever made; Grosse Point Blanc.

Action, humor, compelling character growth, and examination of what it means to happy, fulfilled, or ultimately empty.

Great movie, terrible knees.

Not sure if he has the height, but I know one man who fits the description:

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDfRhvOCQAADA4j.jpg:large)

I said 'Rrrrrrrobert'
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 03, 2013, 12:08:24 PM
UGH, ROOKIE MOVE THAT MAKES ME WANNA RIP MY HAIR OUT AND GO BYNUM.

Just had a 'session timeout' on my post evaluating my team. About a zillion words long chronicling my approach, how everyone's stupid, and then bragging about how I don't have anyone on the books in 3 years.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 03, 2013, 01:07:25 PM
UGH, ROOKIE MOVE THAT MAKES ME WANNA RIP MY HAIR OUT AND GO BYNUM.

Just had a 'session timeout' on my post evaluating my team. About a zillion words long chronicling my approach, how everyone's stupid, and then bragging about how I don't have anyone on the books in 3 years.

Gotta copy-paste every so often :-X
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 03, 2013, 01:25:21 PM
UGH, ROOKIE MOVE THAT MAKES ME WANNA RIP MY HAIR OUT AND GO BYNUM.

Just had a 'session timeout' on my post evaluating my team. About a zillion words long chronicling my approach, how everyone's stupid, and then bragging about how I don't have anyone on the books in 3 years.

Gotta copy-paste every so often :-X

Ugh, i know, i know. Bummed.

Probably one of the longest posts ive had. Will try and muster up some energy to get another one done.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 03, 2013, 01:59:20 PM
Who needs a write up when Jason Kidd is the new 3 pt king
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 03, 2013, 02:24:08 PM
http://m.deadspin.com/5988117/the-philadelphia-district-attorney-trolled-andrew-bynums-bum-knees

Philly DA speculated Andrew Bynums knees warrant a grand jury investigation.

I'm consoling myself with one of the most perfect movies ever made; Grosse Point Blanc.

Action, humor, compelling character growth, and examination of what it means to happy, fulfilled, or ultimately empty.

Great movie, terrible knees.

Not sure if he has the height, but I know one man who fits the description:

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDfRhvOCQAADA4j.jpg:large)

I said 'Rrrrrrrobert'


Nope.  If they ever make a movie about Andrew Bynum, there is only one man for the job.


(http://mlkshk.com/r/22QU&w=220&h=350&ei=_KAzUejPJ4fh0QGN7YGoAw&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:22,s:0,i:153&iact=rc&dur=1354&sig=102272272608376509640&page=2&tbnh=191&tbnw=118&start=14&ndsp=23&tx=75&ty=94)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: RebusRankin on March 03, 2013, 03:02:17 PM
I have a fever and the only cure is more discussion about how fantastic Portland is.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 03, 2013, 03:12:04 PM
Who needs a write up when Shane Battier is the NEW 3 pt king?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on March 03, 2013, 03:32:03 PM
Who needs a write up when Shane Battier is the NEW 3 pt king?

i do
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 03, 2013, 04:05:58 PM
Who needs a write up when Shane Battier is the NEW 3 pt king?

(http://ecimages.kobobooks.com/Image.ashx?imageID=pW82k_PZhEuYPjpf1YZqLA&Type=Full)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 03, 2013, 10:02:33 PM
I'll do more tomorrow. StartOrien and Who are due, theyve commented on other people's rosters as much as anyone. If you want me to do one for you, do a real in depth one (or more) about someone else.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 03, 2013, 11:46:54 PM
Chandler. Parsons.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 03, 2013, 11:54:51 PM
Parsons was balllllllllin tonight.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 04, 2013, 12:57:52 AM
The New Detroit Player Intro Music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6VStjxhBs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ6VStjxhBs)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 01:43:59 AM
The Pick Dos Cavaliers: The Unquestioned Team Of The Future
A Presentation In 5 Missile Points (Because Bullet Points Are For Sissies)

My Team:

Pick 2 Cavs
Guards: K Irving/I Thomas/L Stephenson/W Ellington
Forwards: R Anderson/H Barnes/T Harris/D Cunningham/M Teletovic
Bigs: A Bynum/T Zeller/G Smith
IR/Etc: J Richardson/Nikola Mirotic
Total Salary: 52.3m

1) Kyrie Irving: The best prospect in the NBA, already an All-Star, not a headcase, still just 21 yrs old, with lots of room in his game to improve. Also, has embraced the role of leader already, one of the few young guns who you don't think, 'I really wish he had a mentor on the team'. If you had to build a team to be a contender in 2 years, the picks would go LeBron, Durant, Irving.

2) Young Production Abounds: Ryan Anderson, Lance Stephenson, Wayne Ellington, Dante Cunningham, Isaiah Thomas, Tyler Zeller, Greg Smith. None of them are particularly sexy names right now, but they're all one of starting, playing rotation minutes on a playoff team, producing way above where it was thought they'd be, or all three. Even Mirza Teletovic, who is producing below where it was thought he'd be right now, looks like a great bet to improve significantly next season. And all of them are signed at least through 2014, most longer, and on cheap contracts for their production. Which brings us to number 3.

3) My Money Is Potent, Y'all!:
(http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h392/indeedproceed/Salaries.jpg)
Basically it breaks down like this; because of the contract situations of my guys, Im in zero danger of losing any of my players because someone is able to offer them more through at least 2015. And when I have to start paying Irving his first max contract, Jason Richardson's money is coming off the books. Even with an as yet unnamed player's extension.

4) I Got Them High-End Prospects Too, Homie: Aside from the oodles of affordable and likely improving talent I've populated my team with, I have the very high ceiling guys a young team needs. Irving notwithstanding, I also have Harrison Barnes, the highest potential 3 in the league right now. He's not playing like an elite player right now, but he's been compared to Paul Pierce on more than one occasion, and he'll get the minutes, the security, and the confidence from ownership he needs to have a shot at getting there. He's got an excellent coach in Rick Carlisle (big ups Northern Ny). He's got a running partner to help him advance in Irving, he'll be in as good a situation to reach his potential as he'll get anywhere in the league.

And finally, I've got Nikola Mirotic. He is, if you were not aware, the best overseas prospect in the world. Not just in his draft class. Not just among players already drafted. Among those known to be draft eligible, and those whose rights are already owned. He's the closest thing to a guaranteed impact player Europe can offer right now. The Bulls, who own his rights, have made him virtually untouchable unless another high draft pick or elite prospect is coming back. He's a 6'10 PF who has legitimate 3 pt range and can bang in the paint as well while starring on one of Europe's best teams, Real Madrid. And he's got a buyout clause in his contract. Probably not coming over before 2014, but it's a possibility unless I misunderstood the pieces I read. If you're unfamiliar with him, check this out (http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2011/12/30/gibson-bulls-mirotic-is-worth-the-wait/). Also this one.  (http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/10/gibson-bulls-should-make-mirotic-untouchable-euroleague-heats-up/)

5) Bynum? Hell, I Already Bought 'Em: and, I have Andrew Bynum. No, I don't know if he'll play again this season. No, I don't know of he'll make a full recovery from this injury (although that seems more certain than uncertain).

But I do know that he has shown he's still the best center prospect in the NBA being just 24 years old. I know when he's healthy, he's the second best center in the NBA, and the most dominant scorer from the 5. If he were healthy this season, Id argue my team a fringe contender based on my depth and Irving/Anderson/Bynum alone. I've put all the pieces around him to make sure when he's on the court, he's in a position to dominate. I've given him two capable backups so that his minutes during the regular season can be monitored. I didn't put him next to Kobe, so he won't cry as much. This season, obviously he's an iffy proposition to even play, but going forward, he's still a very promising prospect.

My best players are all 25 or younger and I have the cap space to keep them together. I have already capable and likely to improve role players. I've assembled a team with pieces that fit and compliment each other. It is the team of the future.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on March 04, 2013, 02:12:09 AM
Not to nitpick, but I never did understand the Barnes-Pierce comparisons.  I don't see much resemblance there, other than the fact that they both play the 3. 

I'd say Barnes reminds me more of Luol Deng.  Not that being compared to Deng is a bad thing.  I just don't see the "highest upside of any SF in the league" that many people see. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 04, 2013, 07:23:43 AM
Not to nitpick, but I never did understand the Barnes-Pierce comparisons.  I don't see much resemblance there, other than the fact that they both play the 3. 

I'd say Barnes reminds me more of Luol Deng.  Not that being compared to Deng is a bad thing.  I just don't see the "highest upside of any SF in the league" that many people see.
I like the Danny Granger comparisons for Harrison Barnes.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 08:42:22 AM
Reworking my write up

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on March 04, 2013, 08:46:35 AM
Cousins v. Bynum
Thad Young v. Anderson
MKG v. Barnes
Beal v. Stephenson
Lawson v. Irving

What a great basketball game that would be (assuming health).  A lot of similarities between the two starting lineups.

In 2 games in 2013, Kyrie averaged 27/4/7 against Lawson and the Nuggets while Lawson averaged 12/4/7 on 27% shooting.  Ultimately that's the difference in the matchup between the two teams.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 08:57:50 AM
PICK 2: BOSTON CELTICS
SELF EVALUATION

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hQIqlBFTRWs/TWOoHZE_a4I/AAAAAAAAKSE/C0-GLz1fQZc/s1600/boston_celtics_logo3.jpg)

ROSTER

C: Tim Duncan
PF: Kevin Garnett
SF: Shane Battier
SG: Jared Dudley
PG: Jeremy Lin

JR Smith, Jason Kidd, Chris Kaman
Epke Udoh, Alan Anderson
Rashard Lewis, Tyshawn Taylor

So admittedly, I've been pretty disappointed with a lot of the 'this is Garnett and Duncan and a huge drop-off.' I think statements like that discount how incredible this combination could be: TWO 7 footers who are strong post players, elite mid range jump shooters, legendary passers, and unparalleled drive to win. While on the defensive side creating nightmares for anyone who even thinks of driving in the paint.

I see other teams consider declare them 'by far the best', but I ask what in the world they could do to stop these two monters in the post in a 7 game series.

During the Sloan Conference, Stan Van Gundy used JJ Reddick as an example of a player who could be an elite defensive player despite his obvious athletic limitations. Citing that while Reddick wasn't individually a great defender, he bought into the system and was great in his role.

That's how I view my perimeter players. Individually, they're not elite. But in an offense that runs itself through Garnett and Duncan, they could be elite in their role.

I'm asking Jeremy Lin, Harvard Basketball alumni, to be smart and shoulder less work than he's used to: Moving the ball side to side (something he's done well in Houston) to get the ball into the post, or occasionally creating through pick and roll (something he did extremely well in New York) when getting the ball in the post proves to be a challenge.

I've used the Memphis Grizzlies as an example a few times - They're a team that pounces on the mismatches that having two elite post players provides. And because that's how they run their offense, they don't necessarily need a Rudy Gay on the wing. While he might be an elite player, his ability to shot create certainly is - he's not elite in the role. Because what the Grizzlies need is a smart player who can stand in the corner, hit open 3's, make smart passes, and occasionally make a smart cut to create an easy layup.

In a system with Garnett & Duncan, overall skillset isn't as important as your ability to do one or two things really well. That's where I think guys like Battier and Dudley excel: They've proven before that they can flourish in this role. 

I'm sure I've ran long enough that pretty much no one's reading so I'll try to keep the bench players short -

JR Smith is JR Smith. He can get really hot, he's really good in catch and shoot opportunities, and has some ability to create for himself if I feel the offense needs that. He's also a pretty underrated defender, and for some reason he's really rebounding the ball well right now.

Getting Jason Kidd was important to me - anyone whose watched enough Knicks games know that his presence brings that 'make the extra pass' culture. It's kind fo crazy the difference in the team when he is and isn't playing.

I wanted to get Kaman to give me the ability to be relentless with pushing the ball int he post. And since I don't want to stretch Duncan and KG in the regular season I thought he'd be a great addition.

Udoh's a wild animal I can release for 5-10 minutes to use his athleticism. Alan Anderson is a reliable 2-3 I can use if Kidd is hurt or for spot minutes if JR Smith is being bad JR Smith. Rashard Lewis gives me the ability to stretch the floor in the second unit. And I really like Tyshawn Taylor as a prospect.

SALARIES

(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a523/mtrichissin/Screenshot2013-03-03at112137AM_zps3b0482b4.png)

GREEN player option
RED qualifying option
GREY unguaranteed

So, pretty proud of this. Two years of competing, then everyone's pretty much off the books. I don't think I need to embellish too far on this, just wanna say 'Hey' to my friend Kyrie.

After the first season I'm probably looking at bringing back JR Smith and Chris Kaman on lucrative one year deals.

The one trouble I had was that I did want to add some B-level prospects to the roster, but I felt specific roles on the bench needed to be filled out. And because of it I don't really have any young guys who might pan out.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 09:06:51 AM
The Celtics could really use them some Wayne Ellington. Excited to see the rest of the evaluation
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2013, 09:15:47 AM
PICK 2: BOSTON CELTICS
SELF EVALUATION

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hQIqlBFTRWs/TWOoHZE_a4I/AAAAAAAAKSE/C0-GLz1fQZc/s1600/boston_celtics_logo3.jpg)

ROSTER

C: Tim Duncan
PF: Kevin Garnett
SF: Shane Battier
SG: Jared Dudley
PG: Jeremy Lin

JR Smith, Jason Kidd, Chris Kaman
Epke Udoh, Alan Anderson
Rashard Lewis, Tyshawn Taylor

So admittedly, I've been pretty disappointed with a lot of the 'this is Garnett and Duncan and a huge drop-off.' I think statements like that discount how incredible this combination could be: TWO 7 footers who are strong post players, elite mid range jump shooters, legendary passers, and unparalleled drive to win. While on the defensive side creating nightmares for anyone who even thinks of driving in the paint.

I see other teams consider declare them 'by far the best', but I ask what in the world they could do to stop these two monters in the post in a 7 game series.

During the Sloan Conference, Stan Van Gundy used JJ Reddick as an example of a player who could be an elite defensive player despite his obvious athletic limitations. Citing that while Reddick wasn't individually a great defender, he bought into the system and was great in his role.

That's how I view my perimeter players. Individually, they're not elite. But in an offense that runs itself through Garnett and Duncan, they could be elite in their role.

I'm asking Jeremy Lin, Harvard Basketball alumni, to be smart and shoulder less work than he's used to: Moving the ball side to side (something he's done well in Houston) to get the ball into the post, or occasionally creating through pick and roll (something he did extremely well in New York) when getting the ball in the post proves to be a challenge.

I've used the Memphis Grizzlies as an example a few times - They're a team that pounces on the mismatches that having two elite post players provides. And because that's how they run their offense, they don't necessarily need a Rudy Gay on the wing. While he might be an elite player, his ability to shot create certainly is - he's not elite in the role. Because what the Grizzlies need is a smart player who can stand in the corner, hit open 3's, make smart passes, and occasionally make a smart cut to create an easy layup.

In a system with Garnett & Duncan, overall skillset isn't as important as your ability to do one or two things really well. That's where I think guys like Battier and Dudley excel: They've proven before that they can flourish in this role. 

I'm sure I've ran long enough that pretty much no one's reading so I'll try to keep the bench players short -

JR Smith is JR Smith. He can get really hot, he's really good in catch and shoot opportunities, and has some ability to create for himself if I feel the offense needs that. He's also a pretty underrated defender, and for some reason he's really rebounding the ball well right now.

Getting Jason Kidd was important to me - anyone whose watched enough Knicks games know that his presence brings that 'make the extra pass' culture. It's kind fo crazy the difference in the team when he is and isn't playing.

I wanted to get Kaman to give me the ability to be relentless with pushing the ball int he post. And since I don't want to stretch Duncan and KG in the regular season I thought he'd be a great addition.

Udoh's a wild animal I can release for 5-10 minutes to use his athleticism. Alan Anderson is a reliable 2-3 I can use if Kidd is hurt or for spot minutes if JR Smith is being bad JR Smith. Rashard Lewis gives me the ability to stretch the floor in the second unit. And I really like Tyshawn Taylor as a prospect.

CONTINUING STILL

Great write up Orien. My big question with the Celtics is if the shot clock is winding down or it is a tight game, who can create their own offense?

I think at this point we can admit that Duncan and KG have trouble creating their own offense. Great when they get the ball fed in the post and have a little time to set up and operate but when there is 6 seconds on the shot clock im not sure they will be successful.

Which then leads me to Lin and JR. JR is probably your most talented offensive player straight up but im not sure I like the fact that he is who gets the ball to create something as his shot selection has long been questioned and I wonder how effective he would be not playing off of a Carmelo.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 09:18:36 AM
The Celtics could really use them some Wayne Ellington. Excited to see the rest of the evaluation

she's mostly done now, i'm sure I'll catch a thousand grammar issues and fix 15 of them.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2013, 09:23:33 AM
I'll do more tomorrow. StartOrien and Who are due, theyve commented on other people's rosters as much as anyone. If you want me to do one for you, do a real in depth one (or more) about someone else.

We've talked a little IP about my love/hate relationship with Andrew Bynum. When healthy I believe he can surpass Dwight Howard as the best center in the game. Problem is, I'm not sure he will ever be healthy.

However you did a great job surrounding him with Irving (who we all know just won the 3 point contest) and Anderson who is probably the best stretch four in the game in my opinion. The only thing I wish you would have done was grab a "3 and D" type guy like a Courtney Lee, Danny Green, Thabo Seflosha, ect. All of which I think would be great fits on this team. I also worry a little about your rim protection when Bynum is off the court as neither Zeller or Anderson is a shot blocker or a feared rim protector. I think somebody like a Brendan Haywood would be a great back up for this role and also provide some veteran leadership.

That being said, you have the best PG prospect in the league and the best C prospect in the league and the rest of the supporting cast is still very young.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 09:28:26 AM
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Two years of competing, then everyone's pretty much off the books. I don't think I need to embellish too far on this, just wanna say 'Hey' to my friend Kyrie.

A) Part of game is that its assumed you resign your keepers, I kept Kyrie.

B) Ain't nobody gonna want to sign with your tired old butt. That's like Danny Glover giving Beyonce a 'whats wrong?? U wanna talk?' on a facebook update that says 'Even when u love someone it doesn't mean u see eye to eye all the time. #Confused'

C) Yeah, I know. I'm also now lost in a fantasy world where celebrities are only facebook friends with each other and treat each other like kids that all go to the same highschool. Ride it out man.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 09:29:48 AM
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Great write up Orien. My big question with the Celtics is if the shot clock is winding down or it is a tight game, who can create their own offense?

I think at this point we can admit that Duncan and KG have trouble creating their own offense. Great when they get the ball fed in the post and have a little time to set up and operate but when there is 6 seconds on the shot clock im not sure they will be successful.

Which then leads me to Lin and JR. JR is probably your most talented offensive player straight up but im not sure I like the fact that he is who gets the ball to create something as his shot selection has long been questioned and I wonder how effective he would be not playing off of a Carmelo.


In a traditional sense, JR and Lin are two guys who could dribble the ball to create for themselves. But that's really not what the offense is about - the offense is more to try to feed it in the post, see an opportunity and if it's not there, kick it out and rotate to the other side (while looking for an open 3 on the way there). And since there's strong post players, I think most time you'll be able to get the ball to Duncan or Garnett where they're at least capable of getting a look at a midrange jumper.

I think shot creation can be overrated though, or at least give it some thought - would I rather have a guy who could create his own shot (again, Rudy Gay) or would I rather look to pound the inside guessing that my opponent will have a weak defender at either the 4 or the 5 (if not both).
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 09:30:42 AM
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Two years of competing, then everyone's pretty much off the books. I don't think I need to embellish too far on this, just wanna say 'Hey' to my friend Kyrie.

A) Part of game is that its assumed you resign your keepers, I kept Kyrie.

B) Ain't nobody gonna want to sign with your tired old butt. That's like Danny Glover giving Beyonce a 'whats wrong?? U wanna talk?' on a facebook update that says 'Even when u love someone it doesn't mean u see eye to eye all the time. #Confused'

C) Yeah, I know. I'm also now lost in a fantasy world where celebrities are only facebook friends with each other and treat each other like kids that all go to the same highschool. Ride it out man.

Drink your coffee so you can get back to me with some facts like "He's an RFA the year you create all your cap space. We'd never let him go."

And then since you're laying a fact bomb on me you'd then balance it with a compliment like 'still, that's a lot of cap room to attract some major free agents with.'
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2013, 09:31:12 AM
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Two years of competing, then everyone's pretty much off the books. I don't think I need to embellish too far on this, just wanna say 'Hey' to my friend Kyrie.

A) Part of game is that its assumed you resign your keepers, I kept Kyrie.

B) Ain't nobody gonna want to sign with your tired old butt. That's like Danny Glover giving Beyonce a 'whats wrong?? U wanna talk?' on a facebook update that says 'Even when u love someone it doesn't mean u see eye to eye all the time. #Confused'

C) Yeah, I know. I'm also now lost in a fantasy world where celebrities are only facebook friends with each other and treat each other like kids that all go to the same highschool. Ride it out man.

not sure I have a clue what you said there but I just died laughing
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 09:40:00 AM
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Two years of competing, then everyone's pretty much off the books. I don't think I need to embellish too far on this, just wanna say 'Hey' to my friend Kyrie.

A) Part of game is that its assumed you resign your keepers, I kept Kyrie.

B) Ain't nobody gonna want to sign with your tired old butt. That's like Danny Glover giving Beyonce a 'whats wrong?? U wanna talk?' on a facebook update that says 'Even when u love someone it doesn't mean u see eye to eye all the time. #Confused'

C) Yeah, I know. I'm also now lost in a fantasy world where celebrities are only facebook friends with each other and treat each other like kids that all go to the same highschool. Ride it out man.

Drink your coffee so you can get back to me with some facts like "He's an RFA the year you create all your cap space. We'd never let him go."

And then since you're laying a fact bomb on me you'd then balance it with a compliment like 'still, that's a lot of cap room to attract some major free agents with.'

That is a lot of cap room, but I wonder who the FA you'd be attracting would be (since I wondered the same thing about my team and came up with nada).

But to the actual write-up: KG and Duncan (K-Dunc? Timett?) is of course the best frontcourt in the league. I like the rest of your lineup as well, although as I've mentioned Id personally go Lin/Kidd/Battier/KG/Duncan. And hey, I'll tell ya why!

Duds is a good player and has some very useful skillsets, but guarding 2 guards really isn't one of them. That's why Phoenix starts PJ Tucker. Moving Duds to the bench also means you have 3 capable scorers maybe 4 depending on how high you are on Alan Anderson, guys on the bench to change the look of any given lineup, and keep energy up for the 20 minutes a night the twin towers are out.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 09:41:37 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 04, 2013, 09:43:30 AM
Cousins v. Bynum
Thad Young v. Anderson
MKG v. Barnes
Beal v. Stephenson
Lawson v. Irving


Drummond
Monroe
Parsons
Lee
Collison

Got next.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 04, 2013, 10:01:34 AM
I like the rest of your lineup as well, although as I've mentioned Id personally go Lin/Kidd/Battier/KG/Duncan. And hey, I'll tell ya why!

Duds is a good player and has some very useful skillsets, but guarding 2 guards really isn't one of them. That's why Phoenix starts PJ Tucker. Moving Duds to the bench also means you have 3 capable scorers maybe 4 depending on how high you are on Alan Anderson, guys on the bench to change the look of any given lineup, and keep energy up for the 20 minutes a night the twin towers are out.

Agreed -- I think that is Boston's best starting unit too.

I don't like J.Dudley starting at the two. Too slow. He is an out and out forward. I like Battier starting over Dudley at SF. Better man-to-man defender. Jason Kidd best option to start at SG because he offers a secondary ball-handler and ball mover. Strong decision maker. Lessen turnovers + improve execution of offense.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 10:03:58 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 10:13:01 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.

Meh, I think thats a dumb rule.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 10:14:08 AM
I like the rest of your lineup as well, although as I've mentioned Id personally go Lin/Kidd/Battier/KG/Duncan. And hey, I'll tell ya why!

Duds is a good player and has some very useful skillsets, but guarding 2 guards really isn't one of them. That's why Phoenix starts PJ Tucker. Moving Duds to the bench also means you have 3 capable scorers maybe 4 depending on how high you are on Alan Anderson, guys on the bench to change the look of any given lineup, and keep energy up for the 20 minutes a night the twin towers are out.

Agreed -- I think that is Boston's best starting unit too.

I don't like J.Dudley starting at the two. Too slow. He is an out and out forward. I like Battier starting over Dudley at SF. Better man-to-man defender. Jason Kidd best option to start at SG because he offers a secondary ball-handler and ball mover. Strong decision maker. Lessen turnovers + improve execution of offense.

If we can go 'inside the writer's studio' for a moment - I agree with you, but it made an easier write up to say Battier and Dudley at the 2 and the 3 because it illustrates my point easier.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 04, 2013, 10:14:50 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.

Meh, I think thats a dumb rule.

Especially if, and that's not the case in Cleveland, a guy spends to the ceiling past2014 when he has to resign his two young keepers, we should just assume he keeps them anyway?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on March 04, 2013, 10:20:01 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.

Meh, I think thats a dumb rule.

Especially if, and that's not the case in Cleveland, a guy spends to the ceiling past2014 when he has to resign his two young keepers, we should just assume he keeps them anyway?

Teams have a right of first refusal on their keepers.  However, that wouldn't allow any team to go over a hard cap.

Interestingly, I'm not sure if it has been established that teams can use the right of first refusal on keepers they acquire in trade. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 10:20:52 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.

Meh, I think thats a dumb rule.

Especially if, and that's not the case in Cleveland, a guy spends to the ceiling past2014 when he has to resign his two young keepers, we should just assume he keeps them anyway?

Is the rule known as the "Irving/Bynum amendment"?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 10:27:26 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.

Meh, I think thats a dumb rule.

Especially if, and that's not the case in Cleveland, a guy spends to the ceiling past2014 when he has to resign his two young keepers, we should just assume he keeps them anyway?

I think this is something the rule has accounted for, or at least it's implied. You can't draft players that put you over the cap, you can't make trades that put you over the cap, so logically you can't resign players to contracts that put you over the cap.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 10:30:23 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.

Meh, I think thats a dumb rule.

Especially if, and that's not the case in Cleveland, a guy spends to the ceiling past2014 when he has to resign his two young keepers, we should just assume he keeps them anyway?

Is the rule known as the "Irving/Bynum amendment"?

No sir! I got that cap space. Did you miss my 1,000 word magnum opus on the previous page? C'mon, son!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 10:33:38 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.

Meh, I think thats a dumb rule.

Especially if, and that's not the case in Cleveland, a guy spends to the ceiling past2014 when he has to resign his two young keepers, we should just assume he keeps them anyway?

Is the rule known as the "Irving/Bynum amendment"?

No sir! I got that cap space. Did you miss my 1,000 word magnum opus on the previous page? C'mon, son!

I read it, but I'm also assuming Bynum's going ton continue to cost you 15 mil a season. With an Irving extension you've got about 40 mil tied up between Bynum, Irving and Anderson.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 10:39:16 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.

Meh, I think thats a dumb rule.

Especially if, and that's not the case in Cleveland, a guy spends to the ceiling past2014 when he has to resign his two young keepers, we should just assume he keeps them anyway?

Is the rule known as the "Irving/Bynum amendment"?

No sir! I got that cap space. Did you miss my 1,000 word magnum opus on the previous page? C'mon, son!

I read it, but I'm also assuming Bynum's going ton continue to cost you 15 mil a season.

Yerp, me too, although you'd think some shred of humanity within the guy would incline him to take less since he just got paid 16 million to sit at home with his friends and play video games.

But even if he does, my cap number is around 52 million. Leaves me with an even 20 to resign my guys and future picks, and when Irving is up for an extension, Jason Richardson is coming off the books, so that's what, 7 million more right there?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 10:43:20 AM
OR Irving calls up his good friends, Paul George and Derrick "Polished and Developed" Favors and says "Hey guys, let's go to BEAN TOWN!"

Because a. the cap space I have, b. no one from Boston actually uses the term 'Bean Town'
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 10:49:04 AM
OR Irving calls up his good friends, Paul George and Derrick "Polished and Developed" Favors and says "Hey guys, let's go to BEAN TOWN!"

Because a. the cap space I have, b. no one from Boston actually uses the term 'Bean Town'

You must be anthony bourdain, cuz you're trippin.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on March 04, 2013, 10:50:39 AM
I think 2014 is a big Summer even outside of Lebron. Let me get back to you.

Ya, it's yuge http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/ (http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/)

Yeah but if you're going by the rules of the exercise, only guys not kept or who were kept but wont be signed are available. Limits it to Wade, Iggy, and a few others.

Meh, I think thats a dumb rule.

Especially if, and that's not the case in Cleveland, a guy spends to the ceiling past2014 when he has to resign his two young keepers, we should just assume he keeps them anyway?

Teams have a right of first refusal on their keepers.  However, that wouldn't allow any team to go over a hard cap.

Interestingly, I'm not sure if it has been established that teams can use the right of first refusal on keepers they acquire in trade.
Given that some franchise's "hard cap" is vastly different than others I think in future years even who'd be a tax payer would largely be up for grabs. Some teams never would of course, but others (Dallas for example) have paid heavy tax before.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2013, 11:01:48 AM
Teams have a right of first refusal on their keepers.  However, that wouldn't allow any team to go over a hard cap.

Interestingly, I'm not sure if it has been established that teams can use the right of first refusal on keepers they acquire in trade.

That's interesting, I guess I must have missed this part.  You're basically implying that whatever an individual team's specific salary cap number currently is, will be their number in perpetuity.  That's asinine.

If the real NBA allows teams to go over their cap to sign their own FA's, I see no reason we should be denied that same hypothetical right.

I think a fair compromise, for the purposes of this excercise would be to allow teams to exceed their cap in order to re-sign keepers (or keepers aquired in a trade involving other keepers, i.e. Kobe for DWill or Gortat for Lopez), and players that have contracts that run a minimum of three years (the period to establish full bird-rights), including the current season.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 11:09:36 AM
Oh boy. Hope I didn't open Pandora's box. All I wanted to state is that I thought I did a good job not taking on any bad contracts.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 11:24:50 AM
Oh boy. Hope I didn't open Pandora's box. All I wanted to state is that I thought I did a good job not taking on any bad contracts.

If you had opened a pandora's bracelet, what bead would you have chosen to commemorate your success at not acquiring any bad contracts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
Oh boy. Hope I didn't open Pandora's box. All I wanted to state is that I thought I did a good job not taking on any bad contracts.

Nah, I'm not gonna get into a big debate over it.  Just wanted to make a point.

The majority of my players are locked up for a few years anyway, at which point, I'll be in rebuilding mode.  Kobe is the alpha and omega for my team, so when he is done, it's blow-up city.  I figure I got two, maybe three, seasons to win rings.

Boozer has two years left after this (one more than Kobe/Gortat).  If Kobe wants to retire at that point, I'll just tank, let Gortat go and wait for Boozer (and a few others) to come off the books, re-up Kawhi, still have Hill locked up for reasonable money, and go after FA's then.

The only player I would stand to lose in the near future might be Blatche.  His one-year vet min contract he is currently on is a steal.  He's going to get paid decently by someone next year.  My only hope of keeping him is the $6.5m that represents Antoine's expiring contract.  If I'm really lucky, Camby officially retires at seasons end, freeing up an additional $4.5m.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 11:44:26 AM
Oh boy. Hope I didn't open Pandora's box. All I wanted to state is that I thought I did a good job not taking on any bad contracts.

If you had opened a pandora's bracelet, what bead would you have chosen to commemorate your success at not acquiring any bad contracts?

Probably a cookie for 'smart cookie.' Mostly because that's the lamest thing I could think of.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on March 04, 2013, 11:55:50 AM
Teams have a right of first refusal on their keepers.  However, that wouldn't allow any team to go over a hard cap.

Interestingly, I'm not sure if it has been established that teams can use the right of first refusal on keepers they acquire in trade.

That's interesting, I guess I must have missed this part.  You're basically implying that whatever an individual team's specific salary cap number currently is, will be their number in perpetuity.  That's asinine.

If the real NBA allows teams to go over their cap to sign their own FA's, I see no reason we should be denied that same hypothetical right.

I think a fair compromise, for the purposes of this excercise would be to allow teams to exceed their cap in order to re-sign keepers (or keepers aquired in a trade involving other keepers, i.e. Kobe for DWill or Gortat for Lopez), and players that have contracts that run a minimum of three years (the period to establish full bird-rights), including the current season.

The budgetary numbers we used for this exercise are either equal to, or in some cases far exceed, the actual budgets for NBA franchises.  To suggest that teams would suddenly far exceed their budgets to retain free agents is what I find asinine, especially with such a hefty repeater tax about to set in in the NBA.

Under your proposed rule, every team in the NBA would be willing to go up to $35 million or so above the luxury tax.  That seems crazy to me.

I agree with Fafnir that in reality, a handful of teams would spend beyond the tax to field a contender.  However, more teams will never exceed the luxury tax at all, or will perhaps make a small, one-time expenditure beyond the line.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2013, 12:05:44 PM
Teams have a right of first refusal on their keepers.  However, that wouldn't allow any team to go over a hard cap.

Interestingly, I'm not sure if it has been established that teams can use the right of first refusal on keepers they acquire in trade.

That's interesting, I guess I must have missed this part.  You're basically implying that whatever an individual team's specific salary cap number currently is, will be their number in perpetuity.  That's asinine.

If the real NBA allows teams to go over their cap to sign their own FA's, I see no reason we should be denied that same hypothetical right.

I think a fair compromise, for the purposes of this excercise would be to allow teams to exceed their cap in order to re-sign keepers (or keepers aquired in a trade involving other keepers, i.e. Kobe for DWill or Gortat for Lopez), and players that have contracts that run a minimum of three years (the period to establish full bird-rights), including the current season.

The budgetary numbers we used for this exercise are either equal to, or in some cases far exceed, the actual budgets for NBA franchises.  To suggest that teams would suddenly far exceed their budgets to retain free agents is what I find asinine, especially with such a hefty repeater tax about to set in in the NBA.

Under your proposed rule, every team in the NBA would be willing to go up to $35 million or so above the luxury tax.  That seems crazy to me.

I agree with Fafnir that in reality, a handful of teams would spend beyond the tax to field a contender.  However, more teams will never exceed the luxury tax at all, or will perhaps make a small, one-time expenditure beyond the line.

I never suggested that teams "would" or "should" exceed the luxury tax.  Just that they should be "allowed to", just as they are in the real NBA.  The choice is up to the individual team, as to whether it is in their best interest to do so.

But I really don't want to get into a big debate about this.  I just disagree with the concept you have put forward.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 12:35:41 PM
Or we could talk about how BRILLIANT my self evaluation was and I could get like a lot of sorries
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: wdleehi on March 04, 2013, 12:46:15 PM
Teams have a right of first refusal on their keepers.  However, that wouldn't allow any team to go over a hard cap.

Interestingly, I'm not sure if it has been established that teams can use the right of first refusal on keepers they acquire in trade.

That's interesting, I guess I must have missed this part.  You're basically implying that whatever an individual team's specific salary cap number currently is, will be their number in perpetuity.  That's asinine.

If the real NBA allows teams to go over their cap to sign their own FA's, I see no reason we should be denied that same hypothetical right.

I think a fair compromise, for the purposes of this excercise would be to allow teams to exceed their cap in order to re-sign keepers (or keepers aquired in a trade involving other keepers, i.e. Kobe for DWill or Gortat for Lopez), and players that have contracts that run a minimum of three years (the period to establish full bird-rights), including the current season.

The budgetary numbers we used for this exercise are either equal to, or in some cases far exceed, the actual budgets for NBA franchises.  To suggest that teams would suddenly far exceed their budgets to retain free agents is what I find asinine, especially with such a hefty repeater tax about to set in in the NBA.

Under your proposed rule, every team in the NBA would be willing to go up to $35 million or so above the luxury tax.  That seems crazy to me.

I agree with Fafnir that in reality, a handful of teams would spend beyond the tax to field a contender.  However, more teams will never exceed the luxury tax at all, or will perhaps make a small, one-time expenditure beyond the line.

I never suggested that teams "would" or "should" exceed the luxury tax.  Just that they should be "allowed to", just as they are in the real NBA.  The choice is up to the individual team, as to whether it is in their best interest to do so.

But I really don't want to get into a big debate about this.  I just disagree with the concept you have put forward.


Sure.  We can just set up a paypal account so we can pay the actual tax.   ;)




That's the problem, no one here is actually facing a tax.  We are just facing the "I don't think your team will go over the cap" with responses like "I have deeper pockets that the real owners because my company has invented the device that has made the iphone obsolete" 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 12:50:38 PM
IP's Thoughts On The Pick 2 Celtics:

PG: Jeremy Lin/Tyshawn Taylor
SG: Jason Kidd/JR Smith/Alan Anderson
SF: Shane Battier/Jared Dudley/Alan Anderson
PF: Kevin Garnett/Epke Udoh/Shard Lewis
C: Tim Duncan/Chris Caveman

First, am I missing someone or do you only have 12 players? Second, yeah, I used the lineup I like better. Deal with it.

I Love: Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan. What else is there to say? They've both lost a step, that'll happen when you've been making all-star games for longer than Cheers was on television. But even without said 'step', for around 30 minutes a night they are 2 of the top 5 big men in the NBA. They're 2 of the top 3 big man defenders in the NBA. They're both of the top 2 skilled bigs in the league. They are awesome, still. Great leaders, great players, older than crap, but still awesome. Not sure where else to go with this.

I also love JR Smith and Jared Dudley coming off the bench. Arguably, they are the most consistent perimeter scorers on the team, and putting them in against a second unit will be a huge boon for the Celtics, as it keeps the pressure off the starters to do all the heavy lifting.

I like: A Lin/Kidd backcourt. Of course Jason Kidd can't do much but make smart passes and drill 3's, but he doesn't really need to here. Considering that the rest of the starting unit is populated by Battier/Duncan/Garnett, there will be 3 3pt shooters, and 5 midrange shooters on the floor at all times. Couple that with Kidd's floor spacing, and Lin will be allowed to do what he does best, use his dribble and the pick and roll to penetrate and dish. Kidd just has to make smart entry and swing passes, and hit open shots. I also like Alan Anderson, Ekpe Udoh, and Chris Kaman off the bench. I'd be reluctant to start them, and Kaman is not a guy I've ever felt great about giving minutes, but as a second unit? You could do so much worse.

I'm Neutral On: Tyshawn Taylor, don't know a thing about him. He's a guard huh?

I Hate: Shard Lewis being on this team. Don't think he even deserves a NBA roster spot, and I don't see a reason why he needs to be out there. If you needed a sniper, there were others, if you needed a stretch big, give a guy like Anthony Tolliver a shot. Boo shard Lewis.

Actual Success: The two big boys won't be a go every night. When they are a go, they'll be on managed minutes. This is a limiting factor, no matter how sane or insane JR Smith is. A middle-seed team, nightmare playoff opponent, one I'd pick as a darkhorse to get to the conference finals.

Pick Two Success: StartOrien knew he was in trouble as soon as he picked the Celtics. He was originally planning to build around Bradley and Garnett, but with his low draft spot and varying player opinions on Bradley, he quickly had to change his strategy. In the end, he took a regrettable situation into a mid-00's fever dream, and assembled a team that would be easy to root for. Talent, character, pedigree, its got the total package. And, I imagine its better than 4 games above .500, so he also improved on the real life Celtics. Bully.


Previous IP's Thoughts:
Thunder (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62964.msg1423824#msg1423824)
Suns (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62964.msg1423816#msg1423816)
Bucks (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62964.msg1423799#msg1423799)

Also, I'll be at the laugh factory on Sunset Tuesday through Thursday, and I'll be hosting my one-man show "Tell Mee-Maw I'm Sorry I'm Not Sorry" at the Perch Tree Amphitheater on Sunday, March 10th and Thursday, September 19th. Goodnight everybody.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 01:00:57 PM
Thanks for the write up, IP.

I actually did think about Anthony Tolliver but his 3 pt shooting has been abysmal over the last two seasons - .300 this year and .248 the season before.

Might be a bit TOO what have you done for me lately but Shard's shooting .430 from behind the stripe.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 04, 2013, 01:06:13 PM
Where would you rate Nash amongst PGs nowadays?

Is he still a top ten PG? Top 15? Lower?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2013, 01:13:57 PM
Initial, off-the-top-of-my-head reaction about Nash would be, still top 15 but barely.

I think he's finally reached the point where his defensive failings are no longer outweighed by his offensive brilliance.  It's hard to judge though, as he and Kobe are a bad fit.  Nash isn't allowed to do what he does best nearly enough, and his lack of defense puts Kobe in a tough spot.  Kobe basically is forced to guard the best perimeter player on the opposition every night, and has too expend to much energy to do so.

Maybe in a different situation Nash would be closer to where he was last year, though.  Nash needs to play in an up-tempo offense, predicated on PnR primarily in the half-court.  He'd probably be great in Houston, where they don't seem to care a lick about defense.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 01:23:35 PM
Where would you rate Nash amongst PGs nowadays?

Is he still a top ten PG? Top 15? Lower?

It's really tough to say. He's looked pretty good as of late and reminding you how hard it can be to stop him in the pick and roll. But it's a pretty brief window, and his defense is of course abysmal (though I've always been of the opinion that you can live w/ a poor defensive point guard).

On my spreadsheet I had him at 17. But that factored in his age, and a lot of very friendly contracts in front of him. I've got 7 guys unquestionably above him, and 6-9 guys around where he's at. Kind of depends on what you need in your point guard at that point.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: jgod213 on March 04, 2013, 01:33:06 PM
Maybe in a different situation Nash would be closer to where he was last year, though.  Nash needs to play in an up-tempo offense, predicated on PnR primarily in the half-court.  He'd probably be great in Houston, where they don't seem to care a lick about defense.

LA kinda seems like the worst possible fit for Nash right now, at least with Gasol out.  Playing with a one-dimentional offensive big and a SG who wants to run the offense himself isn't much of a recipe for success with Steve Nash.

HOWEVAH, The Pick2Pacers would cater specifically to Nash's talents.  A P&R game between Nash and West would be brilliant.  Add to that a couple of terrific floor-spacers in Afflalo/Prince and you've got yourself a fluent half-court offense.  Sure Nash is still a defensive liability, but surround him with those guys mentioned along with Roy Hibbert, who is quietly having a terrific defensive season, you've got yourself enough help to somewhat mitigate the Nash defensive issue.

A team that i think would preform similar to the pick-2 Celtics.  Mid-level seed with the ability to make a push into the later playoff rounds.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Fafnir on March 04, 2013, 01:51:41 PM
I'm not sure how good Nash can be, so much of this year has been him playing off the ball compared to what he's used to doing.

I do think 10-15 is a more likely number than 5-10.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on March 04, 2013, 02:37:52 PM
I managed to get several of my target players, but ultimately I think this draft was a swing and a miss for me:

SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
1. Rajon Rondo (11), John Lucas III (1.5)
2. Tyreke Evans (5.2), Francisco Garcia (6.1)
3. Ersan Ilvasova (7.9), Steve Novak(4.3), Jonas Jerebko(4.5)
4. Kenneth Faried (1.3), Amir Johnson (6), Andrew Nicholson(1.4)
5. Anderson Varejao (8.4), Kosta Koufos(3)

CAP REMAINING: $10

I avoided pursuing a go-to scorer early, instead I focussed on getting an energetic front-court and some top-notch role players. I quickly realized that building for this year with such a late team selection was a losing proposition- Rondo was the closest thing to a franchise player available at my draft slot.

STRATEGY
Manage cap well, get high-value contracts, build a deep, aggressive, high-energy team that will be scary in 2014.

WHAT WORKED
1. Turning a minus in to two big plusses. I traded Demarcus Cousins early on for Kenneth Faried and a pick that became Ersan Ilyasova. Perhaps not everyone will agree, but I think that this was a steal. I had Faried's 1.3 million contract in my top 20, and the Ilyasova-Faried-Varejao combination will make my team a nightmare on the glass. Cousins, on the other hand, is one of the biggest reasons why the Kings are terrible. I knew I had to keep him because of his perceived value, but trading him was my #1 priority.

2. Big value from injuries. Having decided to play for next year, I think that Varejao and Rondo were huge picks. My team will rebound and defend like crazy. I think that Rondo paired with bigs who hustle and finish will make for a seriously scary transition team... we've seen glimpses of this with Chris Wilcox. My team can push the ball like the Nuggets.

3. Good value on PFs I went with best-player-available a few times here and found myself with great PFs. Unfortunately, I didn't manage to trade one for a 2 or a 3, which is what I really needed. I hadn't expected wings to be so hard to come by.

WHAT DIDN'T WORK
1. No go-to scorer.I hoped that, with good cap management, I would be able to bleed Wade or another pricy (but true-value) superstar out of a team that had failed to manage their cap. I had no luck at this, though I did think celticpride07 was gonna have to do something big. The Robinson for Humphries trade was, in my opinion, the turning point of the draft, because we super-saver-sharks were really circling celticpride07 and I thought for sure someone would pry valuable player from him in exchange for cap room.

2. We can't shoot. The bench can shoot, and Novak is going to get a lot of minutes with the starters, but boy oh boy. I really needed a starting 2 or a 3 here that create his own shot or at least space the floor. I failed miserably to find a solution.

3. I really wanted Andre Kirilenko or Kawhi Leonard at the 3. Those were also two of what I considered to be the most valuable contracts in the game. I could not make the godfather offer, though I tried and tried.

4. Money left on the table I should have been in a position to overpay for a still-useful player late in the draft. I never really found the opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
IP's Thoughts On The Hornets

G: Jarrett Jack ($5.4m), JJ Barea ($4.49m)
G: Eric Gordon ($13.67m), Jeff Taylor ($0.58m), Marquis Daniels ($0.85m)
F: L.Mbah a Moute ($4.8m), Chase Budinger ($0.89m), Jordan Hamilton ($1.12m)
F: Anthony Davis ($5.14m), Darrell Arthur ($3.01m), Donatas Motiejunas ($1.36m)
C: Amare Stoudemire ($19.95m), Enes Kanter ($4.32m)

I Love: Anthony Davis, fantastic prospect, recently starting to assert himself as the #1 rookie from 2012, can't really say enough great things about the guy. I love the overall tone of the roster, lots of a versatility, lots of different looks, capable role players. Aside from Davis, elite prospects in Kanter and Gordon, although more on him later. I'm also going to say I love Donatas Motiejunas. He started off the season very slowly, struggling to break the rotation. Turns out, Darryl Morey was just playing possum, inflating the value of his guys Patterson and Morris, because in their stead as the starting 4 during the last 3 games, Motie has been quite productive. He's not a perfect player, he looks a little soft, but he's been shooting 52% from the field, 40% from 3. Defense, rebounding would be huge concerns if he's a starter but as a prospect he looks great. Bright future.

I Like: Eric Gordon, I guess. His attitude and treatment of Hornets management is just...well concerning, I'll say. Gordon looks like he's going to be a player for a long time, but he is playing like hot stinky garbage this year, so my like is tempered with a fair amount of aversion.

I like most of the other surrounding parts though without condition. Jack is perfectly capable of running a team, and JJ Barea seems like an ideal backcourt reserve behind him (although a Ramon Sessions type would've worked as well). I love the Darrell Arthur pick, he's a difference maker on defense and is an ideal guy to pair with Amare Stoudemire. I like Budinger as a backup 3, I like Marquis Daniels in a reserve role.

I'm Neutral On: How the whole team fits together in practice, rather than theory. I like a lot of the players, but there are some issues. Eric Gordon has been atrocious this year. Amare Stoudemire is producing well for the moment, but he's playing big minutes against reserve units and would be asked to be a much more high-impact player here. Im also neutral on LRMAM.

I Hate: Nothing really. Eric Gordon kind of, but his potential is just so good, its not really worth getting upset about. Well constructed team.     

Actual Success: Not a lot. A team centered around an underrated point guard, Eric Gordon, a limited SF, Anthony Davis, and a perimeter oriented big (not Robin Lopez) already exists, and they're currently projected for around 30 wins this year. While I think there are some great steps forward here the biggest steps forward will be the maturation of Enes Kanter and Anthony Davis. Neither one will happen this season.

Pick 2 Success: Well, they're not playing Austin Rivers, they held on to Davis and Gordon while adding valuable long-term assets in Kanter and Motiejunas, I'd say there was significant improvement, even if it doesn't translate to wins immediately.


Previous IP's Thoughts:
Celtics (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62964.msg1424528#msg1424528)
Thunder (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62964.msg1423824#msg1423824)
Suns (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62964.msg1423816#msg1423816)
Bucks (http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62964.msg1423799#msg1423799)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2013, 03:45:14 PM
3. I really wanted Andre Kirilenko or Kawhi Leonard at the 3. Those were also two of what I considered to be the most valuable contracts in the game. I could not make the godfather offer, though I tried and tried.

Can't recall you ever making me an offer for Kawhi either of the two seperate times he was in my possession.  I'm guessing it must have been when CP07 had him.

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Speaking of trades, I'm gonna try to defend myself here on a couple of trades I made that seemed to get lukewarm reactions.  Specifically, my two trades with CP07.

The first trade made, involved me sending out Kawhi Leonard and my 4.24 for Carlos Boozer and the 4.1.  This was immediately at the end of the 3rd round.  On the surface, I can see why many were calling this a "loss" on my behalf.  Boozer is admittedly wildly overpaid, and wasn't a going to be great fit with Lopez.  My reasoning was simply, I felt more confident in this formula: above replacement value PF + relpacement value SF > above replacement value SF + replacement value PF.  Also, I knew exactly who I was going to take with what was the next pick in the draft, and felt he likely wouldn't be available 12 picks later (Blatche).

Next, lets deal with the 2nd trade.  By this stage, I had two decent but not really starter material SF's, and, still had a bad fit in my starting front-court.  I realized Lopez and Boozer just wasn't going to work well enough.  So, after many days of holding out for the best deal, I agreed to part with Lopez (along with Dorell Wright and my 9.13/10.13) for Gortat/Leonard/Camby + 11.1.  This trade also recieved varying reactions, but seemed mostly positive on my behalf.  Honestly, in a vaccuum, I don't think I would do this deal, as Lopez was the only All-Star involved.  The thing was, it provided me was such a better fit in the front-court, got me Kawhi back, and below I'll explain the big picture of what really happened.

As I said above, the big picture really needs to be analyzed here.  Two trades were made.  When you look at the bottom line of the two deals here is what resulted.

I sent out, in total, Lopez/Wright/4.24/9.13/10.13.  In return I recieved Gortat/Boozer/Camby/4.1/11.1.  4.1 Became Andray Blatche.  Essentially, I traded Lopez and parts for 4/5th's of my front-court rotation.  I also got to keep Kawhi Leonard in the end, which was a huge bonus in my eyes.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 04, 2013, 04:30:35 PM
More about the Hornet we can't stop writing about: Elias says Greivis Vasquez is one of only three players in NBA history to lead their team in assists (either outright or tied) in each of the first 60 games of the season. Jason Kidd did it with the Nets in 2001-02; John Stockton did it four times.

MIP, underrated, and a good first round pick!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on March 04, 2013, 04:50:58 PM
Quote

Can't recall you ever making me an offer for Kawhi either of the two seperate times he was in my possession.  I'm guessing it must have been when CP07 had him.

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This is true. I don't remember exactly, but I basically don't think I had anything to sell you. I remember early on sneaking him into an offer involving Rondo- at the time my roster only consisted of injured players that you said you weren't interested in, and then Tyreke and Faried. Faried was one of my big target players, so we didn't have anywhere to start from.

I lost track after my negotiations with cp07 broke down. What did you give him?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on March 04, 2013, 04:55:28 PM
Quote

Can't recall you ever making me an offer for Kawhi either of the two seperate times he was in my possession.  I'm guessing it must have been when CP07 had him.

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This is true. I don't remember exactly, but I basically don't think I had anything to sell you. I remember early on sneaking him into an offer involving Rondo- at the time my roster only consisted of injured players that you said you weren't interested in, and then Tyreke and Faried. Faried was one of my big target players, so we didn't have anywhere to start from.

I lost track after my negotiations with cp07 broke down. What did you give him?


Ah never mind I see. You gave Lopez for Gortat, Leonard, and Camby.

This is the reason why I didn't make you an offer for Leonard. I figured based on this trade that you were an advanced metrics guy who valued him as much or more than i did
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2013, 05:49:28 PM
Quote
I managed to get several of my target players, but ultimately I think this draft was a swing and a miss for me:

SEATTLE SUPERSONICS
1. Rajon Rondo (11), John Lucas III (1.5)
2. Tyreke Evans (5.2), Francisco Garcia (6.1)
3. Ersan Ilvasova (7.9), Steve Novak(4.3), Jonas Jerebko(4.5)
4. Kenneth Faried (1.3), Amir Johnson (6), Andrew Nicholson(1.4)
5. Anderson Varejao (8.4), Kosta Koufos(3)

CAP REMAINING: $10

I think you're beating yourself up more than you should. From a talent stand point this team is really good. You're right, injuries certainly helped you - Rondo and Varejao are great values.

I think your mistake is getting caught up in the concept of a 'go to scorer' as opposed to just focusing on guys in the wing who can defend and shoot. Faried and Varejao are going to dominate the boards and get you into transition where Rondo excels, you really just need guys who are going to convert looks.

Maybe you should've been more active in trades cuz I'm thinking that Ilyasova and Ahmir could've gotten you what you needed on the wing. And personally, I don't like the Tyreke and Rondo fit. But I know a lot of people think differently.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on March 04, 2013, 06:41:42 PM
Quote
The Robinson for Humphries trade was, in my opinion, the turning point of the draft, because we super-saver-sharks were really circling celticpride07 and I thought for sure someone would pry valuable player from him in exchange for cap room.

I wouldn't call this turning point in the draft as it was the 9th round I believe this trade happened and mostly everyone's teams were set. However, I think this trade was the best examples of poor salary cap management and how I wasn't careful by drafting overpaid players. It was between humphries and Gerald Wallace I was going to move since I was legit forced to do something and kept getting my picked skipped,  and I almost was going to part with Wallace in a battier deal, but Robinson for hump was to good to refuse, but then I flipped t-rob for bonner which was a better fit for me.

And yes I only wanted to part with kawhi if it got me an all star, and I know we talked a lot but I was asking for too much, and sometimes, for me it's better to keep waiting to look for deals than rush and make trades to early in the draft. But my original team was

Dragic
Wade
Wallace
Boozer
Gortat

And ended:

Rubio
Wade
Derozan
Wallace
Lopez

I think both are good both I prefer team 2. so Basically i traded boozer & gortat for Lopez and Dragic for Rubio, which I'd do anyday  of the week.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 04, 2013, 06:45:54 PM
Quote
The Robinson for Humphries trade was, in my opinion, the turning point of the draft, because we super-saver-sharks were really circling celticpride07 and I thought for sure someone would pry valuable player from him in exchange for cap room.

I wouldn't call this turning point in the draft as it was the 9th round I believe this trade happened and mostly everyone's teams were set. However, I think this trade was the best examples of poor salary cap management and how I wasn't careful by drafting overpaid players. It was between humphries and Gerald Wallace I was going to move since I was legit forced to do something and kept getting my picked skipped,  and I almost was going to part with Wallace in a battier deal, but Robinson for hump was to good to refuse, but then I flipped t-rob for bonner which was a better fit for me.

And yes I only wanted to part with kawhi if it got me an all star, and I know we talked a lot but I was asking for too much, and sometimes, for me it's better to keep waiting to look for deals than rush and make trades to early in the draft. But my original team was

Dragic
Wade
Wallace
Boozer
Gortat

And ended:

Rubio
Wade
Derozan
Wallace
Lopez

I think both are good both I prefer team 2. so Basically i traded boozer & gortat for Lopez and Dragic for Rubio, which I'd do anyday  of the week.

To be honest, in the fifty messages we had, you were being overly stubborn and only taking deals heavily favored towards you. :D (maybe I was too demanding) You wanted ZBo for filler. :P I mean, come on. :D :D :D

I guess you just didn't like me :D :P ??? But yes, you made a decent team at the end ;D Good job.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2013, 06:50:32 PM
Quote
The Robinson for Humphries trade was, in my opinion, the turning point of the draft, because we super-saver-sharks were really circling celticpride07 and I thought for sure someone would pry valuable player from him in exchange for cap room.

I wouldn't call this turning point in the draft as it was the 9th round I believe this trade happened and mostly everyone's teams were set. However, I think this trade was the best examples of poor salary cap management and how I wasn't careful by drafting overpaid players. It was between humphries and Gerald Wallace I was going to move since I was legit forced to do something and kept getting my picked skipped,  and I almost was going to part with Wallace in a battier deal, but Robinson for hump was to good to refuse, but then I flipped t-rob for bonner which was a better fit for me.

And yes I only wanted to part with kawhi if it got me an all star, and I know we talked a lot but I was asking for too much, and sometimes, for me it's better to keep waiting to look for deals than rush and make trades to early in the draft. But my original team was

Dragic
Wade
Wallace
Boozer
Gortat

And ended:

Rubio
Wade
Derozan
Wallace
Lopez

I think both are good both I prefer team 2. so Basically i traded boozer & gortat for Lopez and Dragic for Rubio, which I'd do anyday  of the week.

To be honest, in the fifty messages we had, you were being overly stubborn and only taking deals heavily favored towards you. :D (maybe I was too demanding) You wanted ZBo for filler. :P I mean, come on. :D :D :D

I guess you just didn't like me :D :P ??? But yes, you made a decent team at the end ;D Good job.

Yes I will say celticpride gave me the most lowball offers and some I just simply didn't respond to as they were laughable.

That being said, he finally got me to bite on one. My TRob for Humphires trade was a bad one. I was way below the cap floor and CP caught me in a minute of panic. Moments after the trade I was thinking to myself "why the hell did you do that?" So his lowball offers eventually paid off but that's the beauty of these as you learn a lot throughout.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2013, 06:52:47 PM
Besides my own trade I was shocked that Dallas accepted CP's deal of Dragic/Waitors for Rubio/Derozan as Rubio is much better than Dragic and Derozan is much better than Waitors. So his frugal attitude paid off and he got some real steals.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 04, 2013, 06:53:09 PM
Quote
The Robinson for Humphries trade was, in my opinion, the turning point of the draft, because we super-saver-sharks were really circling celticpride07 and I thought for sure someone would pry valuable player from him in exchange for cap room.

I wouldn't call this turning point in the draft as it was the 9th round I believe this trade happened and mostly everyone's teams were set. However, I think this trade was the best examples of poor salary cap management and how I wasn't careful by drafting overpaid players. It was between humphries and Gerald Wallace I was going to move since I was legit forced to do something and kept getting my picked skipped,  and I almost was going to part with Wallace in a battier deal, but Robinson for hump was to good to refuse, but then I flipped t-rob for bonner which was a better fit for me.

And yes I only wanted to part with kawhi if it got me an all star, and I know we talked a lot but I was asking for too much, and sometimes, for me it's better to keep waiting to look for deals than rush and make trades to early in the draft. But my original team was

Dragic
Wade
Wallace
Boozer
Gortat

And ended:

Rubio
Wade
Derozan
Wallace
Lopez

I think both are good both I prefer team 2. so Basically i traded boozer & gortat for Lopez and Dragic for Rubio, which I'd do anyday  of the week.

To be honest, in the fifty messages we had, you were being overly stubborn and only taking deals heavily favored towards you. :D (maybe I was too demanding) You wanted ZBo for filler. :P I mean, come on. :D :D :D

I guess you just didn't like me :D :P ??? But yes, you made a decent team at the end ;D Good job.

Yes I will say celticpride gave me the most lowball offers and some I just simply didn't respond to as they were laughable.

That being said, he finally got me to bite on one. My TRob for Humphires trade was a bad one. I was way below the cap floor and CP caught me in a minute of panic. Moments after the trade I was thinking to myself "why the hell did you do that?" So his lowball offers eventually paid off but that's the beauty of these as you learn a lot throughout.

Brute force ftw. Keep annoying the trade partner, and if he really wants a trade, he'll make one eventually!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2013, 06:57:35 PM
Quote
The Robinson for Humphries trade was, in my opinion, the turning point of the draft, because we super-saver-sharks were really circling celticpride07 and I thought for sure someone would pry valuable player from him in exchange for cap room.

I wouldn't call this turning point in the draft as it was the 9th round I believe this trade happened and mostly everyone's teams were set. However, I think this trade was the best examples of poor salary cap management and how I wasn't careful by drafting overpaid players. It was between humphries and Gerald Wallace I was going to move since I was legit forced to do something and kept getting my picked skipped,  and I almost was going to part with Wallace in a battier deal, but Robinson for hump was to good to refuse, but then I flipped t-rob for bonner which was a better fit for me.

And yes I only wanted to part with kawhi if it got me an all star, and I know we talked a lot but I was asking for too much, and sometimes, for me it's better to keep waiting to look for deals than rush and make trades to early in the draft. But my original team was

Dragic
Wade
Wallace
Boozer
Gortat

And ended:

Rubio
Wade
Derozan
Wallace
Lopez

I think both are good both I prefer team 2. so Basically i traded boozer & gortat for Lopez and Dragic for Rubio, which I'd do anyday  of the week.

To be honest, in the fifty messages we had, you were being overly stubborn and only taking deals heavily favored towards you. :D (maybe I was too demanding) You wanted ZBo for filler. :P I mean, come on. :D :D :D

I guess you just didn't like me :D :P ??? But yes, you made a decent team at the end ;D Good job.

Yes I will say celticpride gave me the most lowball offers and some I just simply didn't respond to as they were laughable.

That being said, he finally got me to bite on one. My TRob for Humphires trade was a bad one. I was way below the cap floor and CP caught me in a minute of panic. Moments after the trade I was thinking to myself "why the hell did you do that?" So his lowball offers eventually paid off but that's the beauty of these as you learn a lot throughout.

Brute force ftw. Keep annoying the trade partner, and if he really wants a trade, he'll make one eventually!

I'm not sure cause I tried this same tactic with some people and I think all I did was make some enemies here on CB (sorry KC :-X)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 04, 2013, 06:59:12 PM
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The Robinson for Humphries trade was, in my opinion, the turning point of the draft, because we super-saver-sharks were really circling celticpride07 and I thought for sure someone would pry valuable player from him in exchange for cap room.

I wouldn't call this turning point in the draft as it was the 9th round I believe this trade happened and mostly everyone's teams were set. However, I think this trade was the best examples of poor salary cap management and how I wasn't careful by drafting overpaid players. It was between humphries and Gerald Wallace I was going to move since I was legit forced to do something and kept getting my picked skipped,  and I almost was going to part with Wallace in a battier deal, but Robinson for hump was to good to refuse, but then I flipped t-rob for bonner which was a better fit for me.

And yes I only wanted to part with kawhi if it got me an all star, and I know we talked a lot but I was asking for too much, and sometimes, for me it's better to keep waiting to look for deals than rush and make trades to early in the draft. But my original team was

Dragic
Wade
Wallace
Boozer
Gortat

And ended:

Rubio
Wade
Derozan
Wallace
Lopez

I think both are good both I prefer team 2. so Basically i traded boozer & gortat for Lopez and Dragic for Rubio, which I'd do anyday  of the week.

To be honest, in the fifty messages we had, you were being overly stubborn and only taking deals heavily favored towards you. :D (maybe I was too demanding) You wanted ZBo for filler. :P I mean, come on. :D :D :D

I guess you just didn't like me :D :P ??? But yes, you made a decent team at the end ;D Good job.

Yes I will say celticpride gave me the most lowball offers and some I just simply didn't respond to as they were laughable.

That being said, he finally got me to bite on one. My TRob for Humphires trade was a bad one. I was way below the cap floor and CP caught me in a minute of panic. Moments after the trade I was thinking to myself "why the hell did you do that?" So his lowball offers eventually paid off but that's the beauty of these as you learn a lot throughout.

Brute force ftw. Keep annoying the trade partner, and if he really wants a trade, he'll make one eventually!

I'm not sure cause I tried this same tactic with some people and I think all I did was make some enemies here on CB (sorry KC :-X)

Me too (lol ronaldo)

But some people are trade-obsessed and just might fall for a dummy-deal! :)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2013, 07:06:37 PM
Key thing when trading, learn when to say no, and stick to your guns.  Also, if you can set the narrative so that your trade partner is the one dealing from a position of greater "need", you're likely to get more value for your assets. Never leave yourself appearing desperate.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2013, 07:10:56 PM
Key thing when trading, learn when to say no, and stick to your guns.  Also, if you can set the narrative so that your trade partner is the one dealing from a position of greater "need", you're likely to get more value for your assets. Never leave yourself appearing desperate.

Yeah for awhile there I was blindly trading with no real direction as it was the funnest part for me. I came in with a pretty good plan built around Rubio/Love and then blew the whole thing up as I got bored. Really wish I would of stood my ground as I think I could of built a very good team around those players.

Also, another thing I learned was where certain players get drafted. There were many times where I'd say "man if I knew player x was gonna be available, no way I would of made that trade.."

Overall I had a ton of fun and wish we could do it again this week
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 04, 2013, 07:12:53 PM
Key thing when trading, learn when to say no, and stick to your guns.  Also, if you can set the narrative so that your trade partner is the one dealing from a position of greater "need", you're likely to get more value for your assets. Never leave yourself appearing desperate.

I agree. If I ever do this again, I shall be much more enlightened, and I shall take the place of he who trades M. Gasol for Klay T..
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on March 04, 2013, 07:14:28 PM
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Yes I will say celticpride gave me the most lowball offers and some I just simply didn't respond to as they were laughable.


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To be honest, in the fifty messages we had, you were being overly stubborn and only taking deals heavily favored towards you.  (maybe I was too demanding) You wanted ZBo for filler.  I mean, come on.   

I guess you just didn't like me    But yes, you made a decent team at the end  Good job.

I like everyone! I think you both are new GM's, and yes you new gm's  were targets of most of my trade solicitations, kg knees I talked to a lot, might also have been a new gm. I always start with low offers, why would you want to overpay? and if really want that player i will keep increasing my offers. Ask most of the veteran gm's, I very seldom make bad trades on my behalf, but with that said for some reason I suck at the summer draft and do well in the pick 2 draft.  On a side note I probably sent 500 PMs at least to everyone this draft, I think I was addicted :o

I just want to thank all the new and old gms that respond to PMs, being an active gm is very Important in these drafts, and makes it more fun, If you new guys think pick2 was intense wait until the summer draft, it is way more competitive.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2013, 07:24:08 PM
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Yes I will say celticpride gave me the most lowball offers and some I just simply didn't respond to as they were laughable.


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To be honest, in the fifty messages we had, you were being overly stubborn and only taking deals heavily favored towards you.  (maybe I was too demanding) You wanted ZBo for filler.  I mean, come on.   

I guess you just didn't like me    But yes, you made a decent team at the end  Good job.

I like everyone! I think you both are new GM's, and yes you new gm's  were targets of most of my trade solicitations, kg knees I talked to a lot, might also have been a new gm. I always start with low offers, why would you want to overpay? and if really want that player i will keep increasing my offers. Ask most of the veteran gm's, I very seldom make bad trades on my behalf, but with that said for some reason I suck at the summer draft and do well in the pick 2 draft.  On a side note I probably sent 500 PMs at least to everyone this draft, I think I was addicted :o

I just want to thank all the new and old gms that respond to PMs, being an active gm is very Important in these drafts, and makes it more fun, If you new guys think pick2 was intense wait until the summer draft, it is way more competitive.

Yeah, I was new to this particular style of "fantasy" draft.  Not a novice when it comes to trade negotiations though.  I honestly felt I got the better (in total) of our two deals, but concede that things worked out well for you in the end also, as result of our different roster needs.

You can't really expect me to believe you would trade Gortat/Boozer straight up for Lopez (which wasn't really the entire bottom line anyway)?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: celticpride07 on March 04, 2013, 07:38:28 PM
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You can't really expect me to believe you would trade Gortat/Boozer straight up for Lopez (which wasn't really the entire bottom line anyway)?
Yes I would because boozer is such a negative value with his contract, and overall hatred of him from members on this board, plus Lopez is the best player in the deal, gortat is a solid center but not near Lopez. Like I said I made mistakes by drafting high priced players like boozer and humphries and even Wallace to an extent
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on March 04, 2013, 09:52:40 PM
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You can't really expect me to believe you would trade Gortat/Boozer straight up for Lopez (which wasn't really the entire bottom line anyway)?
Yes I would because boozer is such a negative value with his contract, and overall hatred of him from members on this board, plus Lopez is the best player in the deal, gortat is a solid center but not near Lopez. Like I said I made mistakes by drafting high priced players like boozer and humphries and even Wallace to an extent
Hatred for Boozer on this board? Am I missing something? I didn't know Carlos Boozer was so despised on this board.

I think he's a heck of a player. But, like a lot of offensive minded players, he gives as good as he gets. He's not awful on defense but he's not good either.

Boozer is a heck of a rebounder and a pretty good guy. Find it hard for anyone to hate on a good guy that can rebound and score. Wish the real life Celtics had some guys like that.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 04, 2013, 09:52:47 PM
Larry Sanders would have been a really interesting choice to put at power forward alongside Brook Lopez. An interesting option to partner with B.Lopez. A highly talented interior and mobile defensive player and rebounder.

With that first round pick Brooklyn had. Instead of it was Kawhi Leonard. I think it was Kawhi Leonard if I am remembering that right. Build a team around Kobe Bryant + Larry Sanders + Brook Lopez.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2013, 09:56:31 PM
Maybe I'm just really bored but I found myself back tracking the entire draft seeing what I could of done if I just stood pat and didn't make any trades. Really like what could of been. I want a re-do!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on March 04, 2013, 10:03:12 PM
Maybe I'm just really bored but I found myself back tracking the entire draft seeing what I could of done if I just stood pat and didn't make any trades. Really like what could of been. I want a re-do!
And so....the learning begins!!!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on March 04, 2013, 10:08:23 PM
It's all in fun- you pulled off some good deals and kept a lot of our inboxes full, CP07. I enjoyed it top to bottom, even when I was b****ing at you to stop pitching 1-sided deals. You can question the methods, but you can't question the results.

I really did think, though, that one of us was going to force you to give up an asset when you were frozen there in the 9th round- and I thought that you were going to be the first of a few people. I was waiting into the late rounds for a bunch of trades where teams would be forced to part with good players in exchange for cap relief. If such a run on cap-relief had ever materialized, it would have been a major turning point. The fact that you escaped unscathed was a big deal. I really did think I was going to get Lopez or Dragic out of you for pennies on the dollar if I held out long enough.

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
Maybe I'm just really bored but I found myself back tracking the entire draft seeing what I could of done if I just stood pat and didn't make any trades. Really like what could of been. I want a re-do!
And so....the learning begins!!!

Yea I just kind of lost myself in the trades lol lesson learned
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 04, 2013, 10:57:54 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9002028/the-best-bargains-nba

So who had guys on the bargain list? I had honorable mentions in Tobias Harris, Lance Stephenson, and Ryan Anderson, and 'dq's' in Kyrie Irving. StartOrien had two of the top 3 in KG and Duncan.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Atzar on March 04, 2013, 11:07:30 PM
Tony Parker and Danny Green, as well as Carlos Delfino from the Honorable Mentions list. 

I'll take that.  Still staggered that I got Parker and a third for Wall. 
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 04, 2013, 11:29:26 PM
Maybe I'm just really bored but I found myself back tracking the entire draft seeing what I could of done if I just stood pat and didn't make any trades. Really like what could of been. I want a re-do!
And so....the learning begins!!!

Yea I just kind of lost myself in the trades lol lesson learned


 ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on March 05, 2013, 12:29:55 PM
Maybe I'm just really bored but I found myself back tracking the entire draft seeing what I could of done if I just stood pat and didn't make any trades. Really like what could of been. I want a re-do!
And so....the learning begins!!!

Yea I just kind of lost myself in the trades lol lesson learned
definitely lots to learn from.  3rd year doing this and still trying to find the perfect nuances to getting a good team together.

Things I have learned though:
1. picking early in the draft rounds is usually preferable to picking early in the team draft.  The first few picks will always land you an all-star.  Depending on which team you end up with, you might be starting off with 1 all-star already.  Also, the early picks in rounds are worth more than their weight in gold for trades.
2. Don't trade for the sake of trading.  understood that some trades are made for the fun of the game but think those deals through before pulling the trigger.  if someone else really wants one of your guys, there's a reason they want to unload what they're offering.
3. Keep the first round pick unless offered a ridiculously lopsided deal in your favor.
4.there's lots of great value players through at least round 7.  Acquire as many picks prior to the 8th round as possible.  Move assets like higher picks and non-cornerstone players to upgrade lower picks into mid-range picks.  A high 2nd, 10th and 11th for a low 3rd, 6th and 7th will pay off in the long run most times unless by sheer luck a great player is there in the 2nd round.

just my insights.  please feel free to debate their merits.  I'd be interested in anyone with a different take on things.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 05, 2013, 12:58:45 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9002028/the-best-bargains-nba

So who had guys on the bargain list? I had honorable mentions in Tobias Harris, Lance Stephenson, and Ryan Anderson, and 'dq's' in Kyrie Irving. StartOrien had two of the top 3 in KG and Duncan.

Also Jared Dudley and Shane Battier, and JR Smith was ineligble b/c he was expiring but who is counting ya know? Dark horse eastern conference finalist MY BUTT
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 05, 2013, 01:01:57 PM
Maybe I'm just really bored but I found myself back tracking the entire draft seeing what I could of done if I just stood pat and didn't make any trades. Really like what could of been. I want a re-do!

One thing that helps me when I'm building my team is that I try to compare them to an existing team. It's a lot easier if you have a bit of a design in your head - if you're trying to build a Memphis Grizzlies like team what parts do you need? What parts could you improve on? What players could fit those parts?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2013, 01:17:26 PM
Maybe I'm just really bored but I found myself back tracking the entire draft seeing what I could of done if I just stood pat and didn't make any trades. Really like what could of been. I want a re-do!
And so....the learning begins!!!

Yea I just kind of lost myself in the trades lol lesson learned
definitely lots to learn from.  3rd year doing this and still trying to find the perfect nuances to getting a good team together.

Things I have learned though:
1. picking early in the draft rounds is usually preferable to picking early in the team draft.  The first few picks will always land you an all-star.  Depending on which team you end up with, you might be starting off with 1 all-star already.  Also, the early picks in rounds are worth more than their weight in gold for trades.
2. Don't trade for the sake of trading.  understood that some trades are made for the fun of the game but think those deals through before pulling the trigger.  if someone else really wants one of your guys, there's a reason they want to unload what they're offering.
3. Keep the first round pick unless offered a ridiculously lopsided deal in your favor.
4.there's lots of great value players through at least round 7.  Acquire as many picks prior to the 8th round as possible.  Move assets like higher picks and non-cornerstone players to upgrade lower picks into mid-range picks.  A high 2nd, 10th and 11th for a low 3rd, 6th and 7th will pay off in the long run most times unless by sheer luck a great player is there in the 2nd round.

just my insights.  please feel free to debate their merits.  I'd be interested in anyone with a different take on things.

Yea I think picking late in the teams/early in the rounds is the way to go. There were plenty of teams of the bottom five that I would of had no problem selecting and getting high picks.

I think Edgar's pick is a perfect example. He got Jefferson/Favors and then got to add Derick Rose to that group and continue to get high draft picks.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on March 05, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
Maybe I'm just really bored but I found myself back tracking the entire draft seeing what I could of done if I just stood pat and didn't make any trades. Really like what could of been. I want a re-do!
And so....the learning begins!!!

Yea I just kind of lost myself in the trades lol lesson learned
definitely lots to learn from.  3rd year doing this and still trying to find the perfect nuances to getting a good team together.

Things I have learned though:
1. picking early in the draft rounds is usually preferable to picking early in the team draft.  The first few picks will always land you an all-star.  Depending on which team you end up with, you might be starting off with 1 all-star already.  Also, the early picks in rounds are worth more than their weight in gold for trades.
2. Don't trade for the sake of trading.  understood that some trades are made for the fun of the game but think those deals through before pulling the trigger.  if someone else really wants one of your guys, there's a reason they want to unload what they're offering.
3. Keep the first round pick unless offered a ridiculously lopsided deal in your favor.
4.there's lots of great value players through at least round 7.  Acquire as many picks prior to the 8th round as possible.  Move assets like higher picks and non-cornerstone players to upgrade lower picks into mid-range picks.  A high 2nd, 10th and 11th for a low 3rd, 6th and 7th will pay off in the long run most times unless by sheer luck a great player is there in the 2nd round.

just my insights.  please feel free to debate their merits.  I'd be interested in anyone with a different take on things.

Yea I think picking late in the teams/early in the rounds is the way to go. There were plenty of teams if the bottom five that I would of bad no problem selecting and getting high picks.

I think Edgar's pick is a perfect example. He got Jefferson/Favors and then got to add Derick Rose to that group and continue to get high draft picks.

I think it depends.  The two best options to me are still landing the Heat or Thunder.  From there, it all gets pretty subjective.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2013, 01:25:25 PM
Maybe I'm just really bored but I found myself back tracking the entire draft seeing what I could of done if I just stood pat and didn't make any trades. Really like what could of been. I want a re-do!
And so....the learning begins!!!

Yea I just kind of lost myself in the trades lol lesson learned
definitely lots to learn from.  3rd year doing this and still trying to find the perfect nuances to getting a good team together.

Things I have learned though:
1. picking early in the draft rounds is usually preferable to picking early in the team draft.  The first few picks will always land you an all-star.  Depending on which team you end up with, you might be starting off with 1 all-star already.  Also, the early picks in rounds are worth more than their weight in gold for trades.
2. Don't trade for the sake of trading.  understood that some trades are made for the fun of the game but think those deals through before pulling the trigger.  if someone else really wants one of your guys, there's a reason they want to unload what they're offering.
3. Keep the first round pick unless offered a ridiculously lopsided deal in your favor.
4.there's lots of great value players through at least round 7.  Acquire as many picks prior to the 8th round as possible.  Move assets like higher picks and non-cornerstone players to upgrade lower picks into mid-range picks.  A high 2nd, 10th and 11th for a low 3rd, 6th and 7th will pay off in the long run most times unless by sheer luck a great player is there in the 2nd round.

just my insights.  please feel free to debate their merits.  I'd be interested in anyone with a different take on things.

Yea I think picking late in the teams/early in the rounds is the way to go. There were plenty of teams if the bottom five that I would of bad no problem selecting and getting high picks.

I think Edgar's pick is a perfect example. He got Jefferson/Favors and then got to add Derick Rose to that group and continue to get high draft picks.

I think it depends.  The two best options to me are still landing the Heat or Thunder.  From there, it all gets pretty subjective.

Yea that's true. There are probably 3 teams or so that you really want but after that through the early-mid selections there's no real advantages imo
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2013, 01:35:25 PM
Monta dropped 34 last night against a playoff team with 4 steals to add.

So Monta getting buckets plus the teams' all out defense. Clearly Chicago wins all the way.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on March 06, 2013, 04:20:34 PM
A little quote from our friends over on Celticshub.
 
"The findings of the paper were even more interesting.  Even though the paper was titled “The Dwight Effect” Larry Sanders proved to be the best interior defender in the NBA. "

http://celticshub.com/2013/03/06/the-dwight-effect-and-kevin-garnett/?utm_source=CelticsHub.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=%23celtics+%23nba

I'm now taking reservations on the Larry Sanders band wagon.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: sofutomygaha on March 06, 2013, 04:24:41 PM

Yea I think picking late in the teams/early in the rounds is the way to go. There were plenty of teams of the bottom five that I would of had no problem selecting and getting high picks.

I think Edgar's pick is a perfect example. He got Jefferson/Favors and then got to add Derick Rose to that group and continue to get high draft picks.

By the way- would you have kept Jefferson? I don't think I would have
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 10, 2013, 02:11:02 PM
A little quote from our friends over on Celticshub.
 
"The findings of the paper were even more interesting.  Even though the paper was titled “The Dwight Effect” Larry Sanders proved to be the best interior defender in the NBA. "

http://celticshub.com/2013/03/06/the-dwight-effect-and-kevin-garnett/?utm_source=CelticsHub.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=%23celtics+%23nba

I'm now taking reservations on the Larry Sanders band wagon.

I think I just kinda overlooked your team for no reason at all. You built a nice squad there evantime!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 10, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
A little quote from our friends over on Celticshub.
 
"The findings of the paper were even more interesting.  Even though the paper was titled “The Dwight Effect” Larry Sanders proved to be the best interior defender in the NBA. "

http://celticshub.com/2013/03/06/the-dwight-effect-and-kevin-garnett/?utm_source=CelticsHub.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=%23celtics+%23nba

I'm now taking reservations on the Larry Sanders band wagon.

you know, to be completely honest I'm an idiot. Coming into the draft Sanders was the guy I really wanted with my first round pick as I thought a defensive athletic stud like him would be perfect next to Kevin Love.

I picked directly in front of you and for some reason I still don't know, I changed my game plan at the last minute and took Vucevic instead.

So needless to say I am a huge fan of Sanders and I almost took Millwaukee as my pick2 with Jennings/Sanders.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 10, 2013, 02:23:23 PM

Yea I think picking late in the teams/early in the rounds is the way to go. There were plenty of teams of the bottom five that I would of had no problem selecting and getting high picks.

I think Edgar's pick is a perfect example. He got Jefferson/Favors and then got to add Derick Rose to that group and continue to get high draft picks.

By the way- would you have kept Jefferson? I don't think I would have

I'm not sure, I am a little higher on Jefferson than a lot of people on this board but I believe a good fit for him would be at PF and next to a defensive center such as Noah would be awesome
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Evantime34 on March 10, 2013, 02:29:05 PM
A little quote from our friends over on Celticshub.
 
"The findings of the paper were even more interesting.  Even though the paper was titled “The Dwight Effect” Larry Sanders proved to be the best interior defender in the NBA. "

http://celticshub.com/2013/03/06/the-dwight-effect-and-kevin-garnett/?utm_source=CelticsHub.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=%23celtics+%23nba

I'm now taking reservations on the Larry Sanders band wagon.

I think I just kinda overlooked your team for no reason at all. You built a nice squad there evantime!
Thanks.
I wish we voted on this one like the summer draft because I think I had a chance at winning.

Hopefully I can take this momentum into the draft in a few months.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 10, 2013, 03:30:39 PM
Last One, Cuz I feels bad:

IP's Thoughts On The Pick Two Clippers:

PG Chris Paul, Norris Cole
SG Iman Shumpert, Marcus Thornton
SF Kyle Korver, Corey Brewer, Victor Claver
PF Blake Griffin, Thomas Robinson
C Larry Sanders, Greg Stiemsma, Timo Mozgov

I love: Chris Paul, Blake Griffin, and Larry Sanders. All three guys have warts (CP3's health, Griffin's lack of a jumper or versatile offensive game, Larry Sanders' small sample size), but the positives are just so glaringly bright. Chris Paul is the best point guard in the NBA, bar none. Blake Griffin, while his game hasn't evolved really since last season, is still as dominating a force at the 4 the NBA has during the first 3 quarters of each game. Larry Sanders, for all his burgeoning All-Defensive hype has even started to play within himself offensively enough to justify keeping him on the floor. He's an elite (at this point, saying 'great' isn't doing justice) defender who learned to stop loving the midrange jumper, and has more than doubled his attempts at the hoop. Elite rebounder, elite defender, plays within himself offensively. Basically I just described Tyson Chandler. That's a good thing.

I like: The depth all over the place.
I almost made this an 'I Love', but Thomas Robinson held me back. Love Cole behind CP3, love Thornton to keep the second unit hot, love Brewer and Stiemsma.

I'm neutral on: Shump-Shump and Korver
Shump-Shump in theory is a great fit here. But in practice, he's played terribly this season while recovering from injury and this is a win now team that doesn't really have the time to wait around for Shump-Shump to get into form. Korver...meh. Vanilla ice cream if I ever saw it. Doesn't hurt you, doesn't help you.

I Hate: Nothing really. Great team.

Actual Success: I can't picture the west in my mind right now, but I'd put this team above Dallas or La for starters. If they're not the odds on favorite, they're right there.

Pick 2 Success: Kept Paul and Griffin, improved at the 5, improved the bench. The easiest pick-2 team, sure, but a job well-done nonetheless.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: nickagneta on March 10, 2013, 04:05:03 PM
Its official. Dwight Howard has now become a more embarrassing free throw shooter than Shaq. If I am a coach of a high school and I end up with one of these special big men that look like they could dominate in the NBA, I'm having him take 2 entire practices a week to just shoot free throws. His physical dominance and talent will teach him all the other things but as a high school coach its my job to prepare him and free throw shooting shouldn't be an adventure. An NBA player shouldn't shoot below 70% from the line.

After having seen Howard about 4-5 times over the last couple weeks its pretty obvious the defensively he isn't the Howard of 3-4 years ago. Not close. He's starting to get back that double hop that helps him block shots so well but the lift isn't there like it used to be and he is slow on rotations and weak side help. He's also become, in that offense, an after thought, mostly setting screens and waiting for a dump off pass from team mates that drive the lane.

All that said, that makes it impossible for the Lakers to have been one of the two contending teams here. Williams and Howard need to have their games be like they were in 2009 for the Lakers to go anywhere it is now obvious to me, after seeing so much of Howard recently, that he isn't there and Williams, though playing better, still isn't there yet either.

Too bad too. The talent is there but either physically or mentally, these two aren't ready to win a championship, in this exercise or the real NBA, anytime soon.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Who on March 10, 2013, 04:58:08 PM
Its official. Dwight Howard has now become a more embarrassing free throw shooter than Shaq. If I am a coach of a high school and I end up with one of these special big men that look like they could dominate in the NBA, I'm having him take 2 entire practices a week to just shoot free throws. His physical dominance and talent will teach him all the other things but as a high school coach its my job to prepare him and free throw shooting shouldn't be an adventure. An NBA player shouldn't shoot below 70% from the line.

After having seen Howard about 4-5 times over the last couple weeks its pretty obvious the defensively he isn't the Howard of 3-4 years ago. Not close. He's starting to get back that double hop that helps him block shots so well but the lift isn't there like it used to be and he is slow on rotations and weak side help. He's also become, in that offense, an after thought, mostly setting screens and waiting for a dump off pass from team mates that drive the lane.

All that said, that makes it impossible for the Lakers to have been one of the two contending teams here. Williams and Howard need to have their games be like they were in 2009 for the Lakers to go anywhere it is now obvious to me, after seeing so much of Howard recently, that he isn't there and Williams, though playing better, still isn't there yet either.

Too bad too. The talent is there but either physically or mentally, these two aren't ready to win a championship, in this exercise or the real NBA, anytime soon.

I think your supporting cast might keep you in it. I agree with your evaluation of Dwight + Deron but I think the strength and depth of your squad probably keeps your Lakers team in the mix.

One of the best benches in the league. A strong third star in Kirilenko. Very good fit and balance throughout the roster.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 19, 2013, 11:28:55 AM
Paid. Just saying its paid.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on March 19, 2013, 06:02:35 PM
Paid. Just saying its paid.

I just hope you did it the hard way, one TP at a time, for one hundred hours.  ;D

Probably used a moderator cheat code  ::)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 19, 2013, 06:04:19 PM
It's a good thing Jeff Green was drafted by me. #CountOnJeff
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Roy H. on March 19, 2013, 06:09:29 PM
It's a good thing Jeff Green was drafted by me. #CountOnJeff

Haha.  I'm glad to see that Green has validated our pick of him in the CelticsBlog Draft.  Nobody is scoring on Thabo/Green/Lebron/Varejao.  (In our alternate reality, Varejao never develops a blood clot.)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 28, 2013, 08:35:06 AM
jr smith.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 28, 2013, 09:01:18 AM
jr smith.

(http://skreened.com/render-product/c/n/b/cnbkebyawyanbyinwseu/you-trying-to-get-the-pipe.american-apparel-unisex-athletic-tee.athletic-grey.w380h440z1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: ronaldo943 on March 28, 2013, 09:16:30 AM
Reggie Evans 22pts 26rebs
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 28, 2013, 09:58:54 AM
JIMMY BUTLER


/got nuthin'
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 28, 2013, 10:12:02 AM
jr smith.

(http://skreened.com/render-product/c/n/b/cnbkebyawyanbyinwseu/you-trying-to-get-the-pipe.american-apparel-unisex-athletic-tee.athletic-grey.w380h440z1.jpg)

hahahaaha. I saw I think n3twrk tweet that last night. Is it available to buy?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 28, 2013, 10:20:47 AM
jr smith.

(http://skreened.com/render-product/c/n/b/cnbkebyawyanbyinwseu/you-trying-to-get-the-pipe.american-apparel-unisex-athletic-tee.athletic-grey.w380h440z1.jpg)

hahahaaha. I saw I think n3twrk tweet that last night. Is it available to buy?

Yup. $28. If I could get it in 2XL-Tall I'd already have one on the way.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 28, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Ya, sometimes u need that extra length with the unlicensed March. I bought a white mamba from a Chicago site last year and length wise hhasn't held up.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: Rondo2287 on March 28, 2013, 11:52:40 AM
Kenyon Martin looking like a good late pick for the min
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 28, 2013, 01:46:47 PM
Seriously though - Garnett, Duncan and awesome surrounding cast and all I can get is 'good job, good effort.'

Hate you guys so much
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on March 28, 2013, 02:23:27 PM
Seriously though - Garnett, Duncan and awesome surrounding cast and all I can get is 'good job, good effort.'

Hate you guys so much
I feel your pain. 

I have Lebron having the type of season where even I (as an unabashed Lebron hater) can't help but put him at the top of the MVP list WITH a good supporting cast, and I'm just an afterthought as far as a title contender here.  ::)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 28, 2013, 03:31:31 PM
Kyrie Irving's out, Andrew Bynum's out.

Everyone else is playing well though Tyler Zeller has a triple dub the other day (no he didn't). Tobias Harris is BAWWWWWLLLLLINNNNN. Wayne Ellington, Lance Stephenson, Ryan Anderson, racks on racks on racks.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 28, 2013, 03:33:11 PM
Jeff Green, game winner!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 28, 2013, 03:37:58 PM
Seriously though - Garnett, Duncan and awesome surrounding cast and all I can get is 'good job, good effort.'

Hate you guys so much
I feel your pain. 

I have Lebron having the type of season where even I (as an unabashed Lebron hater) can't help but put him at the top of the MVP list WITH a good supporting cast, and I'm just an afterthought as far as a title contender here.  ::)

At the same time, what were we supposed to do, praise you for picking Lebron?
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on March 28, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
Jeff Green, game winner!

Jeff Green's like the weather. If you don't think the way he's playing is an accurate representation of his baseline, wait a while, it'll change.

Get it? Cuz he's wildly inconsistent? ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 29, 2013, 12:07:13 AM
Jeff Green, game winner!

Jeff Green's like the weather. If you don't think the way he's playing is an accurate representation of his baseline, wait a while, it'll change.

Get it? Cuz he's wildly inconsistent? ;)

Keep your liberal agenda out of here, hIPpy.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on March 29, 2013, 08:12:12 AM
Seriously though - Garnett, Duncan and awesome surrounding cast and all I can get is 'good job, good effort.'

Hate you guys so much
I feel your pain. 

I have Lebron having the type of season where even I (as an unabashed Lebron hater) can't help but put him at the top of the MVP list WITH a good supporting cast, and I'm just an afterthought as far as a title contender here.  ::)

At the same time, what were we supposed to do, praise you for picking Lebron?
I thought it was a brilliant move on my part   8)
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on March 29, 2013, 11:16:25 AM
Seriously though - Garnett, Duncan and awesome surrounding cast and all I can get is 'good job, good effort.'

Hate you guys so much
I feel your pain. 

I have Lebron having the type of season where even I (as an unabashed Lebron hater) can't help but put him at the top of the MVP list WITH a good supporting cast, and I'm just an afterthought as far as a title contender here.  ::)

At the same time, what were we supposed to do, praise you for picking Lebron?
I thought it was a brilliant move on my part   8)

haha, tp
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KCattheStripe on March 29, 2013, 11:55:43 AM
Jeff Green, game winner!

Jeff Green's like the weather. If you don't think the way he's playing is an accurate representation of his baseline, wait a while, it'll change.

Get it? Cuz he's wildly inconsistent? ;)

I thought he was like the weather because he made it rain.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: slamtheking on March 31, 2013, 08:23:53 PM
Seriously though - Garnett, Duncan and awesome surrounding cast and all I can get is 'good job, good effort.'

Hate you guys so much
I feel your pain. 

I have Lebron having the type of season where even I (as an unabashed Lebron hater) can't help but put him at the top of the MVP list WITH a good supporting cast, and I'm just an afterthought as far as a title contender here.  ::)

At the same time, what were we supposed to do, praise you for picking Lebron?
I thought it was a brilliant move on my part   8)

haha, tp
crawford and copeland are looking like pretty good picks tonight too   ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on April 13, 2013, 08:26:28 PM
Thought I'd have to cop to this:

Traded Andrew Bynum and MULTIPLE 1sts for Larry Sanders+fillers.

After some moves, here is how she shook out.

Irving/Calderon/2013 pick
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/Harris
Mirotic/Sullinger
Sanders/Zeller/Fesenko
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: KGs Knee on April 13, 2013, 08:31:44 PM
Haha!  Injuries took my team down

Argh (kobe/gortat)  >:(
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: fairweatherfan on April 25, 2013, 03:18:58 PM
So who else has joined me on the Patrick Beverley Binky train?  Dude can play - not too shabby for a 10th round pick.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on April 25, 2013, 03:21:18 PM
So who else has joined me on the Patrick Beverley Binky train?  Dude can play - not too shabby for a 12th round pick.

He's no Tobias Harris but he's okay.
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on May 09, 2013, 02:06:35 PM
Thought I'd have to cop to this:

Traded Andrew Bynum and MULTIPLE 1sts for Larry Sanders+fillers.

After some moves, here is how she shook out.

Irving/Calderon/2013 pick
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/Harris
Mirotic/Sullinger
Sanders/Zeller/Fesenko

To be fair I had sully...
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: StartOrien on May 09, 2013, 02:07:59 PM
So who else has joined me on the Patrick Beverley Binky train?  Dude can play - not too shabby for a 10th round pick.

BEVERLY! MY DEAR OLD FRIEND!
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on May 09, 2013, 02:17:12 PM
Thought I'd have to cop to this:

Traded Andrew Bynum and MULTIPLE 1sts for Larry Sanders+fillers.

After some moves, here is how she shook out.

Irving/Calderon/2013 pick
Stephenson/Ellington
Barnes/Harris
Mirotic/Sullinger
Sanders/Zeller/Fesenko

To be fair I had sully...

Well I traded Ryan Anderson and someone else for him, so you got a great deal!

Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: airbelinelli on May 09, 2013, 02:22:13 PM
Didn't remember that trade... Then again haven't been here for awhile
Title: Re: 2013 Pick 2 Draft: How's my team look?
Post by: indeedproceed on May 09, 2013, 02:24:21 PM
Didn't remember that trade... Then again haven't been here for awhile

Lol..I was talking about my NBA2k franchise.