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Title: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: j804 on February 18, 2013, 05:55:40 AM
This is from a article in regards to CP3 resigning in LA and them trying to keep him happy at all costs. Uh oh it's real this week will be very interesting.

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"If Chris wants Vinny [Del Negro], he'll be the coach," one source tied to the Clippers and Paul said. "If Chris wants [Kevin Garnett], they'll push harder for it."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--chris-paul-doesn-t-need-dwight-howard-now--or-in-the-future-075249498.html
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 18, 2013, 06:05:43 AM
They can push all they want. Garnett is not getting traded. He has the final say so and he isn't gonna agree to get traded.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: raynman on February 18, 2013, 06:22:29 AM
KG and Rondo are so tight.. Why would he ditch him for CP3?
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: bfrombleacher on February 18, 2013, 06:26:56 AM
KG and Rondo are so tight.. Why would he ditch him for CP3?

Because Chris wants him
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: raynman on February 18, 2013, 06:34:28 AM
KG and Rondo are so tight.. Why would he ditch him for CP3?

Because Chris wants him

... And That's the bottom line, because Chris Paul said so!  ;D
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: JOMVP on February 18, 2013, 06:49:16 AM
If the Clippers have to "push hard," to try and get KG, maybe Danny Ainge wasnt the one who fascilliated that trade talk and it has been the Clippers all along. Maybe they already dangled Bledsoe and Jordan out there and Ainge turned it down.

I dont know what "pushing harder," could mean for the Clippers when all they have is Bledsoe and Jordan. Maybe getting a third team involved to try and change Ainge's mind?
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: JOMVP on February 18, 2013, 06:53:13 AM
Maybe they mean pushing harder to get KG to drop the no trade clause. But I feel like if Danny Ainge was trying to push Kevin Garnett out the door that hard for this Clippers deal, KG would feel a little slighted and accept it.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: krook on February 18, 2013, 06:53:44 AM
If the Clippers have to "push hard," to try and get KG, maybe Danny Ainge wasnt the one who fascilliated that trade talk and it has been the Clippers all along. Maybe they already dangled Bledsoe and Jordan out there and Ainge turned it down.

I dont know what "pushing harder," could mean for the Clippers when all they have is Bledsoe and Jordan. Maybe getting a third team involved to try and change Ainge's mind?

latest rumor is bledsoe for millsap
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: CroCorvus on February 18, 2013, 06:57:51 AM
C'mon people, it's clear as day that if KG want another chance to win a championship he's gonna go to Clippers. Now i'm not saying that he'll go, but if Danny comes to him and say that the organization would like to go in other direction, then that's another pair of socks.

And that's has nothing to do with Pierce being traded or not, if Danny tell him KG we don't want you here anymore, hes out the door.

We don't know what Dany will do, will he make rebulid on the fly or will he make reload for next two years max, either way everything is possible...
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: rondohondo on February 18, 2013, 06:59:45 AM
Bos sends: kg
Bos gets     : Josh smith

lac send     : Jordan and Bledsoe
Lac get       : kg

Atl sends : josh smith
Atl gets    : bledsoe and jordan


Unless the c's are ending up with jsmoove or dwight, no thanks to trading kg.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: chambers on February 18, 2013, 07:08:13 AM
Can't see it happening. They'll try and grab Smith without moving any of our big 3. And why would ATL end up with the two great young assets for moving a guy who's walking in a few months? I feel like Danny would rather move KG for the Clippers duo than Smith.
Danny just wants to give us a real shot at winning WITH KG so I feel they'll go after Smith. He's trying to do this without giving up Green but if he has to he'll give them Sully, Melo and a first round pick. He'll also make them take Bass and Lee to make money work. I just can't see Smith agreeing to extend with anyone else than us.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: bfrombleacher on February 18, 2013, 07:15:01 AM
If Chris Paul wants Garnett...maybe he could come to Boston?  ;D
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: CroCorvus on February 18, 2013, 07:20:34 AM
agree, with jeff green resurgance i feel that danny would rather part ways with pierce then kg.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: OhioGreen on February 18, 2013, 07:22:57 AM
If DA adds a scrub or two before Thursday, then we'll have our answer that he's going as far as KG and PP can take us. On the other hand if nothing goes down before Thursday, then there's gonna be a huge story(s) by the end of the day, and we're gonna see a whole different team on Friday!
I just don't see any way for Danny to pick up solid rotation players from Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ency or DLeague, they're just not out there!  And we don't have enough valuable players, other than KG or PP, to get any meaningful trades done.  We also just don't have enough players,PERIOD, to make two for one trades without then adding a BUNCH of scrubs to make up for numbers!
We all sit and go crazy waiting! ;D
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: CoachBo on February 18, 2013, 07:36:44 AM
Yeah, we'll I'm sure Rondo would love to add Josh Smith too, but that and a dime won't get anyone in a pay toilet.

This is much ado about nothing.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: ScottHow on February 18, 2013, 08:00:11 AM
Like others said, I'm not sure what that means. I don't see KG leaving bc the clippers tell him Paul really really really wants him, pretty please with sugar on top
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: boscel33 on February 18, 2013, 08:17:33 AM
KG and Rondo are so tight.. Why would he ditch him for CP3?

And he has a house in LA, and he is the godfather (something like that) to Billup's kids, and he might be able to add a second ring this year.... 

The better question is, if your KG, why would you not want to go after one more ring?
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 18, 2013, 08:19:33 AM
KG and Rondo are so tight.. Why would he ditch him for CP3?

And he has a house in LA, and he is the godfather (something like that) to Billup's kids, and he might be able to add a second ring this year.... 

The better question is, if your KG, why would you not want to go after one more ring?

Because he's currently going for a ring regardless, too bad you guys don't see it.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Who on February 18, 2013, 09:09:24 AM
It doesn't matter if the team pushes hard or not. It's not like they are making some irresistible offer that Danny can't refuse. It's going to be a pretty big talent downgrade no matter what trade Danny finds for KG if he decides to move him.

The only thing that matters is whether Danny wants to blow it up or now ... and I strongly doubt that Danny has any intention of blowing this team up.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Moranis on February 18, 2013, 09:23:19 AM
It doesn't matter if the team pushes hard or not. It's not like they are making some irresistible offer that Danny can't refuse. It's going to be a pretty big talent downgrade no matter what trade Danny finds for KG if he decides to move him.

The only thing that matters is whether Danny wants to blow it up or now ... and I strongly doubt that Danny has any intention of blowing this team up.
depending on how much Danny likes Jordan, I think Jordan, Bledsoe, and a first or two is a pretty good return for KG.  I personally don't want Jordan (not a great rebuilding trade in my mind), but if Danny likes him then that would be pretty darn good value. 

EDIT: Might be able to add in Odom (who is expiring) and give them Bass and/or Terry as well, clearing off a lot more salary adding to the value from the C's perspective and giving LAC more quality depth for a deep playoff run this year.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: scaryjerry on February 18, 2013, 09:37:30 AM
how hard can they push without giving up Blake? Not very.


Dumb
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: boscel33 on February 18, 2013, 09:45:54 AM
KG and Rondo are so tight.. Why would he ditch him for CP3?

And he has a house in LA, and he is the godfather (something like that) to Billup's kids, and he might be able to add a second ring this year.... 

The better question is, if your KG, why would you not want to go after one more ring?

Because he's currently going for a ring regardless, too bad you guys don't see it.

What I see is a Celtic team that is going to use themselves up just getting to the playoffs and have nothing left in the tank. They've gone 8-2 over the past ten games and are only in seventh place, a mere five games out of the playoffs.  Right now, we would face NY in the first round.  We have split the series so far.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Evantime34 on February 18, 2013, 09:50:15 AM
So if Chris Paul really wants KG will the front office throw in a first? Will they take on Bass for an expiring?

I think if the C's hear from KG that he is going to retire after the season moving Pierce and KG isn't a terrible idea. To me this deal would be the best we could get for KG so it makes sense. However, I don't think it ends up happening.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 18, 2013, 09:51:19 AM
KG and Rondo are so tight.. Why would he ditch him for CP3?

And he has a house in LA, and he is the godfather (something like that) to Billup's kids, and he might be able to add a second ring this year.... 

The better question is, if your KG, why would you not want to go after one more ring?

Because he's currently going for a ring regardless, too bad you guys don't see it.

What I see is a Celtic team that is going to use themselves up just getting to the playoffs and have nothing left in the tank. They've gone 8-2 over the past ten games and are only in seventh place, a mere five games out of the playoffs.  Right now, we would face NY in the first round.  We have split the series so far.

"Use themselves up"? I think you're looking at the wrong games. So we split the series against the Knicks... and that means what?

A mere 5 games out of the playoffs? That's plenty of room, and if you think that's little, we also are just 2 games out of the 5th spot, and 3 1/2 out of the 3rd spot... and you know, 5 out of the 2nd spot.

We might be 8-2 over the last 10 games, but we're also 8-1 since Rondo went down. The only game we lost was after a back to back after a triple over time win against the hottest team in the NBA at the moment.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Fafnir on February 18, 2013, 10:10:58 AM
Well there have also been reports that VDN and the front office are split on a potential KG trade. This Woj report makes sense in that the front office's primary concern this year is keeping Paul long term with Blake. Everything else is subordinate.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: celticpride07 on February 18, 2013, 10:12:07 AM
KG Bass for Bledsoe Jordan Odom expiring then flip Odom Terry Melo for Josh Smith

Sign delonte and Martin and mcgrady

Bledsoe/west
Bradley/lee
Pierce/green/mcgrady
Smith/Martin/
Jordan/Collins/Wilcox

Injured: rondo sullinger barbosa
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Cman on February 18, 2013, 10:12:23 AM
Woj's source makes complete sense. The Clippers are trying to keep their stars happy. One way to make them happy is to make a legit push for a player like KG. It doesn't mean it will happen, but you can't blame the Clips for trying.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: guava_wrench on February 18, 2013, 10:30:27 AM
This is from a article in regards to CP3 resigning in LA and them trying to keep him happy at all costs. Uh oh it's real this week will be very interesting.

Quote
"If Chris wants Vinny [Del Negro], he'll be the coach," one source tied to the Clippers and Paul said. "If Chris wants [Kevin Garnett], they'll push harder for it."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--chris-paul-doesn-t-need-dwight-howard-now--or-in-the-future-075249498.html
A source is needed for a statement that obvious? Source might not even have any access to information to make a statement that obvious.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: csfansince60s on February 18, 2013, 10:35:26 AM
KG and Rondo are so tight.. Why would he ditch him for CP3?

And he has a house in LA, and he is the godfather (something like that) to Billup's kids, and he might be able to add a second ring this year.... 

The better question is, if your KG, why would you not want to go after one more ring?

Because he's currently going for a ring regardless, too bad you guys don't see it.

+1
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: esel1000 on February 18, 2013, 10:41:17 AM
Maybe when the Clips offer Griffin lol
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 18, 2013, 10:43:40 AM
Pushing for it don't mean they'll get it
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: snively on February 18, 2013, 10:43:47 AM
Bledsoe, Jordan and a pick would be pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 18, 2013, 11:04:47 AM
Bledsoe, Jordan and a pick would be pretty sweet.

If we are going the rebuild route, that is a pretty good deal indeed.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: ssspence on February 18, 2013, 11:15:32 AM
Bledsoe, Jordan and a pick would be pretty sweet.

If we are going the rebuild route, that is a pretty good deal indeed.

It's certainly hard to imagine them getting a better one for KG, considering the circumstances.

IF the Cs decide to move forward with this -- which I'm increasingly depressed by despite my better judgement -- the last bit I'd push for is the Clips taking Bass for the expiring contract of Odom. So this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=actkuj3
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: erisred on February 18, 2013, 11:22:28 AM
If Chris Paul wants Garnett...maybe he could come to Boston?  ;D
Dang straight!

I don't care what Chris Paul wants. I don't care how much KG would help the Clippers. I care about the Boston Celtics, and I have yet to see a deal for KG that is beneficial to them.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: wahz on February 18, 2013, 11:28:45 AM
Bledsoe, Jordan and a pick would be pretty sweet.

If we are going the rebuild route, that is a pretty good deal indeed.

If he wants to, KG appears to still be able to play at the level of the best defender in basketball until the end of next year. Getting a couple nice young players and a pick for him now is good, but having him for two years of playoffs is a certainty if you want it to be.

Add a good big now for Bass and this team looks solid and next years looks great. Its the better option
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: BringToughnessBack on February 18, 2013, 11:35:54 AM
First let me start by saying I don't want to get rid of KG, especially before tomorrow nights game which I am attending!


but...would you trade KG for Jordan and Bledsoe plus pick and than move Jordan/Rondo for Howard in sign and trade prior to July 1st?

Net would be bledsoe/howard and pick for Rondo/KG

Than, we could actually move Bass/Green for Smith as well

Starting line up of
Bledsoe
Avery
Pierce
Smith
Howard

Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Q_FBE on February 18, 2013, 12:02:36 PM
How about we trade Rondo for Chris Paul??????
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: CoachBo on February 18, 2013, 01:19:05 PM
First let me start by saying I don't want to get rid of KG, especially before tomorrow nights game which I am attending!


but...would you trade KG for Jordan and Bledsoe plus pick and than move Jordan/Rondo for Howard in sign and trade prior to July 1st?

Net would be bledsoe/howard and pick for Rondo/KG

Than, we could actually move Bass/Green for Smith as well

Starting line up of
Bledsoe
Avery
Pierce
Smith
Howard



And kiss any element of perimeter shooting goodbye.

Uh, no thanks.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 18, 2013, 01:27:59 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ... 

He's about as valuable as any late 1st rounder isn't he?
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: hpantazo on February 18, 2013, 01:29:45 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ...

he's one of the most athletic and productive per minute point guards in the league. He's Bradley with offensive skills.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 18, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
if Chris Paul is desperate enough to play with Kevin Garnett that the clippers are actually considering giving up something substantial for him... they ought to just trade Chris Paul to Boston instead.  It makes more sense than giving up quality young players for a few months of Garnett.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: hpantazo on February 18, 2013, 01:33:16 PM
if Chris Paul is desperate enough to play with Kevin Garnett that the clippers are actually considering giving up something substantial for him... they ought to just trade Chris Paul to Boston instead.  It makes more sense than giving up quality young players for a few months of Garnett.

It's not that CP3 is desperate to play with KG, it's that he wants to add a big man who can shoot and defend to the core they already have in place there.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 18, 2013, 01:33:27 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ...

he's one of the most athletic and productive per minute point guards in the league. He's Bradley with offensive skills.
But we already have a top 5 point guard in Rondo and a very capable backup point guard in Avery Bradley.  Do we need a 3rd backup?... or would this be the precursor to a Rondo or Bradley trade?
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: hpantazo on February 18, 2013, 01:34:53 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ...

he's one of the most athletic and productive per minute point guards in the league. He's Bradley with offensive skills.
But we already have a top 5 point guard in Rondo and a very capable backup point guard in Avery Bradley.  Do we need a 3rd backup?... or would this be the precursor to a Rondo or Bradley trade?

It would be collecting valuable assets for a deal down the road instead of losing KG and Pierce and Ray for nothing.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: BballTim on February 18, 2013, 01:52:37 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ...

he's one of the most athletic and productive per minute point guards in the league. He's Bradley with offensive skills.
But we already have a top 5 point guard in Rondo and a very capable backup point guard in Avery Bradley.  Do we need a 3rd backup?... or would this be the precursor to a Rondo or Bradley trade?

  Bradley's normally our starting sg.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: MBunge on February 18, 2013, 01:58:12 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ... 

He's about as valuable as any late 1st rounder isn't he?

In his last 10 games, Bledsoe has averaged 12.5 pts, 5.5 assists, 3.1 rebs and 1.9 steals while shooting 44% in 29 minutes a game.

In his last 10 games, Kyrie Irving has averaged 22.8 pts, 5.1 assists, 4 rebs and 1.4 steals while shooting 46% in 34 minutes a game.

Bledsoe might not be a future Hall of Famer, but he's a pretty darn promising young player.

Mike
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: snively on February 18, 2013, 01:59:10 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ...

he's one of the most athletic and productive per minute point guards in the league. He's Bradley with offensive skills.
But we already have a top 5 point guard in Rondo and a very capable backup point guard in Avery Bradley.  Do we need a 3rd backup?... or would this be the precursor to a Rondo or Bradley trade?

More likely it would be a precursor to a Bledsoe trade in the offseason - he gets the last part of the season to show his chops as a starting PG and then gets packed off for a pick in the upcoming draft (which is pretty bereft of PG's from my understanding) or as a part of a sign and trade.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Fafnir on February 18, 2013, 02:01:28 PM
Bledsoe might not be a future Hall of Famer, but he's a pretty darn promising young player.

Mike
He is, but when CP3 was out he shot 40% as a starter and the overall team offense fell into total disarray.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: LooseCannon on February 18, 2013, 02:03:01 PM
I don't think they have time to lobby KG to waive his no-trade clause before the deadline.  His will is not going to crumble that quickly.  I do think that they will really try to pressure him in the off-season and we're going to be hearing more of this in June.  If the Celtics trade KG at that point, then it might signal the team going into "blow it up" mode and also dealing Pierce, while the expiring contract of Caron Butler might become a more desirable asset than DeAndre Jordan.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: hpantazo on February 18, 2013, 02:06:02 PM
Bledsoe might not be a future Hall of Famer, but he's a pretty darn promising young player.

Mike
He is, but when CP3 was out he shot 40% as a starter and the overall team offense fell into total disarray.

He looked pretty good when he torched the celtics for 23, 10, and 7 on 60% shooting in Boston as a starter.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: kozlodoev on February 18, 2013, 02:07:39 PM
Bledsoe might not be a future Hall of Famer, but he's a pretty darn promising young player.

Mike
He is, but when CP3 was out he shot 40% as a starter and the overall team offense fell into total disarray.

He looked pretty good when he torched the celtics for 23, 10, and 7 on 60% shooting in Boston as a starter.
Yup, sign him up to a max contract, he'll be the next LeBron James. Just needs some of that magic juice to grow another 6 inches or so.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 18, 2013, 02:09:06 PM
Bledsoe might not be a future Hall of Famer, but he's a pretty darn promising young player.

Mike
He is, but when CP3 was out he shot 40% as a starter and the overall team offense fell into total disarray.

This is my primary concern with Bledsoe.

He is a superb backup, but a poor starter.  Players like this usually get a bunch of money and are forced into a starting role, making them look bad.

I'd like to see Bledsoe get Jarrett Jack-type money and be a backup/sixth man/closer for a team.  That would be a good role for him.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: snively on February 18, 2013, 02:13:17 PM
Bledsoe might not be a future Hall of Famer, but he's a pretty darn promising young player.

Mike
He is, but when CP3 was out he shot 40% as a starter and the overall team offense fell into total disarray.

Still put up his tremendous non-scoring numbers though.  The scoring ability is still a little raw, a la Kyle Lowry at a similar stage, but I don't think the 40% shooting is particularly danging.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Fafnir on February 18, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
Bledsoe might not be a future Hall of Famer, but he's a pretty darn promising young player.

Mike
He is, but when CP3 was out he shot 40% as a starter and the overall team offense fell into total disarray.

Still put up his tremendous non-scoring numbers though.  The scoring ability is still a little raw, a la Kyle Lowry at a similar stage, but I don't think the 40% shooting is particularly danging.
5 rebs and 5 assists in 34 MPG doesn't strike me as awesome, especially again when your team's offense fell completely apart.

His stint as a starter showed how far he still has to go, and the fact that CP3 is playing ahead of him means he'll likely need to have those growing pains somewhere else.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Moranis on February 18, 2013, 02:26:48 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ...

he's one of the most athletic and productive per minute point guards in the league. He's Bradley with offensive skills.
But we already have a top 5 point guard in Rondo and a very capable backup point guard in Avery Bradley.  Do we need a 3rd backup?... or would this be the precursor to a Rondo or Bradley trade?

More likely it would be a precursor to a Bledsoe trade in the offseason - he gets the last part of the season to show his chops as a starting PG and then gets packed off for a pick in the upcoming draft (which is pretty bereft of PG's from my understanding) or as a part of a sign and trade.
Actually I would think it would be Rondo that would get traded once he is back.  That would put Boston into full bore rebuilding heading into what looks like a very deep draft in 2014.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: snively on February 18, 2013, 02:32:05 PM
Bledsoe might not be a future Hall of Famer, but he's a pretty darn promising young player.

Mike
He is, but when CP3 was out he shot 40% as a starter and the overall team offense fell into total disarray.

Still put up his tremendous non-scoring numbers though.  The scoring ability is still a little raw, a la Kyle Lowry at a similar stage, but I don't think the 40% shooting is particularly danging.
5 rebs and 5 assists in 34 MPG doesn't strike me as awesome, especially again when your team's offense fell completely apart.

His stint as a starter showed how far he still has to go, and the fact that CP3 is playing ahead of him means he'll likely need to have those growing pains somewhere else.

The 5 boards, 2.5 steals and 1+ blocks at the PG position were what caught my eye.  Some special talent right there.

Stepping into CP3's shoes as a floor general is a tough task - Bledsoe isn't the kind of guy who can dominate an offense as thoroughly as the Clips need with their roster, but that doesn't mean he can't thrive in a less PG-centric system.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: snively on February 18, 2013, 02:38:56 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ...

he's one of the most athletic and productive per minute point guards in the league. He's Bradley with offensive skills.
But we already have a top 5 point guard in Rondo and a very capable backup point guard in Avery Bradley.  Do we need a 3rd backup?... or would this be the precursor to a Rondo or Bradley trade?

More likely it would be a precursor to a Bledsoe trade in the offseason - he gets the last part of the season to show his chops as a starting PG and then gets packed off for a pick in the upcoming draft (which is pretty bereft of PG's from my understanding) or as a part of a sign and trade.
Actually I would think it would be Rondo that would get traded once he is back.  That would put Boston into full bore rebuilding heading into what looks like a very deep draft in 2014.

Doubt it - his value will still be deflated with the knee injury.  Bledsoe, if he played well over the stretch run with us, would likely be the better sell high: healthy, one more year on the rookie deal and then RFA.

Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: ssspence on February 18, 2013, 02:40:32 PM
lost in the nitpicking of bledsoe and jordan's games is this:

regardless of what you think of either player, they are essentially the only young assets on likely the only team where KG might be convinced to go. It's nearly impossible to find another fit where 1) KG might say 'yes', and 2) the team has a better package than bledsoe and jordan.

my point: if wyc, danny and the Cs organization make a fundamental decision to begin trading away their veterans now in an effort to compile value for them before it's too late, we're stuck with these two gentlemen.

bledsoe may not be kyrie irving, but a variety of NBA teams, players and pundits sure seem to think he can get better / become an above average NBA point guard.

he doesn't need to be an all-star to be a trade asset, no matter how little we as fans want to see KG go. I've said repeatedly I'd like to see the clips take bass if we're to take jordan, but regardless, bledsoe and jordan is a pretty decent haul of youth and talent considering how uniquely difficult the prospect of trading KG really is.





Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: kozlodoev on February 18, 2013, 03:01:32 PM
my point: if wyc, danny and the Cs organization make a fundamental decision to begin trading away their veterans now in an effort to compile value for them before it's too late, we're stuck with these two gentlemen.
We're not "stuck" with anything when they retire.

But if we do trade them, we're stuck with Jordan's horrible contract and so-so performance.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: ssspence on February 18, 2013, 03:31:47 PM
my point: if wyc, danny and the Cs organization make a fundamental decision to begin trading away their veterans now in an effort to compile value for them before it's too late, we're stuck with these two gentlemen.
We're not "stuck" with anything when they retire.

But if we do trade them, we're stuck with Jordan's horrible contract and so-so performance.

Amusing how you can so fervently defend Jeff Green's contract then call Jordan's "horrible". 

I doubt the Cs front office sees his deal as a major impediment, considering:

1) his age (24);
2) his potential fit with Rondo;
3) they prefer to rebuild on the fly then be cellar dwellers, and;
4) they're likely hamstring cap-wise for at least another year, if not more.

If they'd take a chance on a "talented" yet older guy like Green for 4 years after heart surgery, I'm inclined to think they'd see Jordan on a 2-year deal as an asset, not a burden. 


Here's another way to look at it:


If the Cs had the cap room today, February 18th, 2013, they'd sign Jordan to a 2 year, $22 mil deal in a nanosecond.
 

 

 
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: D Dub on February 18, 2013, 03:35:38 PM
Jeff Green can play 4th quarters. 
wouldn't trade him straight up for DeAndre 'worst FT shooter in L' Jordan.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Moranis on February 18, 2013, 05:04:36 PM
what's the fascination with Eric Blesoe?  Is it just because he happens to be one of the only young expendable assets on a contending team?  I don't get it ...

he's one of the most athletic and productive per minute point guards in the league. He's Bradley with offensive skills.
But we already have a top 5 point guard in Rondo and a very capable backup point guard in Avery Bradley.  Do we need a 3rd backup?... or would this be the precursor to a Rondo or Bradley trade?

More likely it would be a precursor to a Bledsoe trade in the offseason - he gets the last part of the season to show his chops as a starting PG and then gets packed off for a pick in the upcoming draft (which is pretty bereft of PG's from my understanding) or as a part of a sign and trade.
Actually I would think it would be Rondo that would get traded once he is back.  That would put Boston into full bore rebuilding heading into what looks like a very deep draft in 2014.

Doubt it - his value will still be deflated with the knee injury.  Bledsoe, if he played well over the stretch run with us, would likely be the better sell high: healthy, one more year on the rookie deal and then RFA.
yes but he is on a rookie deal and Boston has no expiring contracts, thus what you could get back would be a guy on a rookie deal or Bledsoe's value would be hurt by having Bass and/or Terry tacked onto the trade. 

Trading Rondo makes a lot more sense given he is injured, he is older (than Bledsoe and Bradley), and he is better (and thus by keeping him make your team too good to truly rebuild), and while his value may not be at its peak boston would still get more for him than bledsoe or bradley.  Rondo is the one that makes sense to trade, especially if the attitude, stat chasing, etc. rumors are true.
Title: Re: Woj's source: "If Chris wants Kevin Garnett, they'll push hard for it."
Post by: Moranis on February 18, 2013, 05:09:43 PM
my point: if wyc, danny and the Cs organization make a fundamental decision to begin trading away their veterans now in an effort to compile value for them before it's too late, we're stuck with these two gentlemen.
We're not "stuck" with anything when they retire.

But if we do trade them, we're stuck with Jordan's horrible contract and so-so performance.

Amusing how you can so fervently defend Jeff Green's contract then call Jordan's "horrible". 

I doubt the Cs front office sees his deal as a major impediment, considering:

1) his age (24);
2) his potential fit with Rondo;
3) they prefer to rebuild on the fly then be cellar dwellers, and;
4) they're likely hamstring cap-wise for at least another year, if not more.

If they'd take a chance on a "talented" yet older guy like Green for 4 years after heart surgery, I'm inclined to think they'd see Jordan on a 2-year deal as an asset, not a burden. 


Here's another way to look at it:


If the Cs had the cap room today, February 18th, 2013, they'd sign Jordan to a 2 year, $22 mil deal in a nanosecond.
I think any trade for Jordan will also have Bass and probably Terry in the trade so Boston gets rid of some long term salary.

This trade seemingly makes sense for both teams

Garnett, Bass, Terry

for

Jordan, Bledsoe, Odom, and maybe a 1st

Jordan's long term salary is essentially the same as Bass and Terry so by doing this trade you free that up.  Boston still gets a couple of young players in Jordan and Bledsoe and the Clippers get Terry as CP3 insurance and Bass as a respectable big off the bench.  Seems to make sense for both teams and probably makes the Clippers a true, legit, and real challenge to the Thunder and Spurs.  I mean that KG/Griffin front court would be a monster for anyone to handle especially with CP3 running the show.