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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: chambers on February 17, 2013, 06:31:22 AM
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Danny Ainge is up to something- this is obvious.
We've got multiple reports from legit reporters talking about the Celtics going after some huge players.
Ainge is putting anyone and everyone on the block
*Rondo for Howard I'm not so sure, although the guy who dropped this one has had some decent rumors turn out to be legit. I'm pretty sure he broke that the lockout was over.
*KG for Bledsloe+Jordan, this sounds like Danny swinging for the fences and has been touted by Adrian Woj- one of the premier insiders of the NBA. Danny is always active and he's definitely been on the phone. I just think KG won't ever approve it and now the pressure is on Danny to get a Josh Smith deal done.
*Bass and Green for Smith... I can see this happening and Smith most likely wants to come to Boston.
It makes sense because when Danny signed these two to the money they're on, it combined perfectly for a max deal type player in a trade (salary wise). The problem with this deal is that Ferry doesn't want another Marvin Williams and Bass is a long term deal. Still they are both good trade chips for Ferry and he could get some nice picks for these two down the road.
*Sullinger, Bass, Lee+pick (or Melo) for Josh Smith
To me this seems the most likely. I think Danny wants Green+Smith for a future. Bass is expendable and Sully is great but he's a great trade chip and we don't know what his back will be like. Might be giving up too much, but Ferry would probably be happy with Sully+Melo + a pick for the future and would take Bass back to make the money work.
*Pierce to Clippers, Warriors or Memphis.
Seems unlikely, in fact the only way I see Pierce moved is if Rondo went for Howard and we sent Pierce out too to bring back Nash? Nash has no trade clause I think. I'm not sure how KG would react either. Seems the most unlikely by far.
So what do you think Danny is up to and do you think we'll see a major move made this week before the deadline? I do. Most likely something like Green+Bass for Josh Smith or Sully, Bass and Lee for Josh Smith and DeShaun Stevenson.
I think we need Green to backup Pierce and as I've mentioned in another thread, an attack of Pierce, Smith and Green would be a huge match up advantage for us come playoff time. How would Miami guard us?
What do you think?
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Only do Rondo trade if Howard signs long term
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Also I love KG but getting Bledsoe and Jordan would be great for the future. Just hate to see KG go but has a great chance of winning a title in LA plus his home is in Malibu. I would let him decide
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We have only 10 healthy bodies. So we're not sending out any two players to bring in one, unless there are multiple trades(a distinct poss.)!
If either KG or PP goes, the other goes too! And probably JET as well. And probably RR(but most likely this off season). And might as well throw in Sully too, as his career will now be troubled and likely short, following major back surgery!
I just can't believe DA(or really any RESPONSIBLE GM) would just play this out, if they could deal these valuable CHIPS to get a great jump on rebuilding.
Danny has never been afraid to take a big leap, so we'll see together this week!!!!
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I don't think any trades happen. Even tho Id love for the josh smith trade to go down. Id rather keep green over lee.
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Danny Ainge is up to something- this is obvious.
We've got multiple reports from legit reporters talking about the Celtics going after some huge players.
Ainge is putting anyone and everyone on the block
*Rondo for Howard I'm not so sure, although the guy who dropped this one has had some decent rumors turn out to be legit. I'm pretty sure he broke that the lockout was over.
*KG for Bledsloe+Jordan, this sounds like Danny swinging for the fences and has been touted by Adrian Woj- one of the premier insiders of the NBA. Danny is always active and he's definitely been on the phone. I just think KG won't ever approve it and now the pressure is on Danny to get a Josh Smith deal done.
*Bass and Green for Smith... I can see this happening and Smith most likely wants to come to Boston.
It makes sense because when Danny signed these two to the money they're on, it combined perfectly for a max deal type player in a trade (salary wise). The problem with this deal is that Ferry doesn't want another Marvin Williams and Bass is a long term deal. Still they are both good trade chips for Ferry and he could get some nice picks for these two down the road.
*Sullinger, Bass, Lee+pick (or Melo) for Josh Smith
To me this seems the most likely. I think Danny wants Green+Smith for a future. Bass is expendable and Sully is great but he's a great trade chip and we don't know what his back will be like. Might be giving up too much, but Ferry would probably be happy with Sully+Melo + a pick for the future and would take Bass back to make the money work.
*Pierce to Clippers, Warriors or Memphis.
Seems unlikely, in fact the only way I see Pierce moved is if Rondo went for Howard and we sent Pierce out too to bring back Nash? Nash has no trade clause I think. I'm not sure how KG would react either. Seems the most unlikely by far.
So what do you think Danny is up to and do you think we'll see a major move made this week before the deadline? I do. Most likely something like Green+Bass for Josh Smith or Sully, Bass and Lee for Josh Smith and DeShaun Stevenson.
I think we need Green to backup Pierce and as I've mentioned in another thread, an attack of Pierce, Smith and Green would be a huge match up advantage for us come playoff time. How would Miami guard us?
What do you think?
the corpse of Steve Nash? No thank you.
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Bass, Sullinger, Fab Melo and a first for Josh Smith is the only deal I see Danny Ainge wanting to make. Although I'm still not sure if the money works there. If the rumored deal of Humphries and Brooks was gonna go down, I see no reason why Atlanta wouldnt take Boston's deal more. Sullinger and Bass are both better players than Humphries, and they'd get a first round pick that might be better than the Nets this offseason. Marshon Brooks is a nonfactor in that deal, he's clearly a volume scorer when he's onna bad team taking all the shots.
If Atlanta doesnt take that deal from Boston, I see Danny Ainge having a hard time parting with Green. He seems enamored with the kids talent, and game and I don't know if he's willing to give him up.
I think I would do it, but I'm not sure the talent gap between Smith and Green is as big as some would think. Smith wil always be a be a better rebounder which is a pretty big upgrade.
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Bass, Sullinger, Fab Melo and a first for Josh Smith is the only deal I see Danny Ainge wanting to make. Although I'm still not sure if the money works there. If the rumored deal of Humphries and Brooks was gonna go down, I see no reason why Atlanta wouldnt take Boston's deal more. Sullinger and Bass are both better players than Humphries, and they'd get a first round pick that might be better than the Nets this offseason. Marshon Brooks is a nonfactor in that deal, he's clearly a volume scorer when he's onna bad team taking all the shots.
If Atlanta doesnt take that deal from Boston, I see Danny Ainge having a hard time parting with Green. He seems enamored with the kids talent, and game and I don't know if he's willing to give him up.
I think I would do it, but I'm not sure the talent gap between Smith and Green is as big as some would think. Smith wil always be a be a better rebounder which is a pretty big upgrade.
Bucks rumored to be offering Jennings and Ilyasova. That potentially (if it's true) ups the ante for JSmoove.
We're down bodies. Not sure I'm willing to give up more than Green and filler for Smith.
In light of that, if the Fakers are willing to give up D12 for Rondo and Bass, I'm all over that.
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My guess: Nothing happens.
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Only do Rondo trade if Howard signs long term
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Stand pat
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Just call me when all of this is over
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Bucks rumored to be offering Jennings and Ilyasova. That potentially (if it's true) ups the ante for JSmoove.
If Milwaukee could do that deal for Monta instead of Jennings, I'd love it for Milwaukee.
PG: Jennings
SG:
SF: Mbah a Moute
PF: Josh Smith
C: Larry Sanders
Add a strong scorer at shooting guard. Maybe even a Kevin Martin type. That is a pretty nice team. Continue to develop Larry Sanders. If Sanders turns into a high level defensive center, that team could be a really tough team to face in the playoffs. Potentially the best defensive team in the league 2-3 years down the road.
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Bass, Sullinger, Fab Melo and a first for Josh Smith is the only deal I see Danny Ainge wanting to make. Although I'm still not sure if the money works there. If the rumored deal of Humphries and Brooks was gonna go down, I see no reason why Atlanta wouldnt take Boston's deal more. Sullinger and Bass are both better players than Humphries, and they'd get a first round pick that might be better than the Nets this offseason. Marshon Brooks is a nonfactor in that deal, he's clearly a volume scorer when he's onna bad team taking all the shots.
If Atlanta doesnt take that deal from Boston, I see Danny Ainge having a hard time parting with Green. He seems enamored with the kids talent, and game and I don't know if he's willing to give him up.
I think I would do it, but I'm not sure the talent gap between Smith and Green is as big as some would think. Smith wil always be a be a better rebounder which is a pretty big upgrade.
Bucks rumored to be offering Jennings and Ilyasova. That potentially (if it's true) ups the ante for JSmoove.
We're down bodies. Not sure I'm willing to give up more than Green and filler for Smith.
In light of that, if the Fakers are willing to give up D12 for Rondo and Bass, I'm all over that.
And why would Smith ever consider re-signing with the bucks? They would basically be a little worse than the Hawks are right now.
It's pretty clear to me that smith is going to do everything in his power to land with the c's. I mean the guy even flew to LA to hang out with the c's this summer.
This deal has been in the works for months imo, he is trying to force his way to the c's by telling atlanta he won't resign, and have the c's at the top of his wish list
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Bass, Sullinger, Fab Melo and a first for Josh Smith is the only deal I see Danny Ainge wanting to make. Although I'm still not sure if the money works there. If the rumored deal of Humphries and Brooks was gonna go down, I see no reason why Atlanta wouldnt take Boston's deal more. Sullinger and Bass are both better players than Humphries, and they'd get a first round pick that might be better than the Nets this offseason. Marshon Brooks is a nonfactor in that deal, he's clearly a volume scorer when he's onna bad team taking all the shots.
If Atlanta doesnt take that deal from Boston, I see Danny Ainge having a hard time parting with Green. He seems enamored with the kids talent, and game and I don't know if he's willing to give him up.
I think I would do it, but I'm not sure the talent gap between Smith and Green is as big as some would think. Smith wil always be a be a better rebounder which is a pretty big upgrade.
Bucks rumored to be offering Jennings and Ilyasova. That potentially (if it's true) ups the ante for JSmoove.
We're down bodies. Not sure I'm willing to give up more than Green and filler for Smith.
In light of that, if the Fakers are willing to give up D12 for Rondo and Bass, I'm all over that.
And why would Smith ever consider re-signing with the bucks? They would basically be a little worse than the Hawks are right now.
It's pretty clear to me that smith is going to do everything in his power to land with the c's. I mean the guy even flew to LA to hang out with the c's this summer.
This deal has been in the works for months imo, he is trying to force his way to the c's by telling atlanta he won't resign, and have the c's at the top of his wish list
If he really wants to do everything in his power to sign with us, he needs to tell everyone he won't resign unless hes traded to the c's. I don't think it happens but man Id be so excited if it did.
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I fear the trades that we haven't heard about.
I think Danny is going to try blow this team sky high.
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I hoping for Green/Bass for Smith
Fearing anything that sends out KG/Pierce.
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I predict picking up a minor player or two , possibly by trade.
No major trade till Rondo returns and his health is evaluated....unless Smith forces his way on to the Celtics with a deal DA can pass up.
Jet KG and Pierce are here until next year to see what a ...rebuilt... Rondo plays like ......and Sully too.
This time next year maybe diff. , if the C's aren't competitive ., some of these changes will happen.
Clear heads will prevail.
KG will remain .
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Out of all the trades I would say acquiring Josh Smith would be the most likely. C's could add a FA to replace the additional body they lost.
Who knows with Ainge though.
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The most unrealistic trade is rondo for Howard. The lakers are nearly dumb enough to make that trade. No GM in the league would make that trade if they were the lakers.
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And why would Smith ever consider re-signing with the bucks? They would basically be a little worse than the Hawks are right now.
It's pretty clear to me that smith is going to do everything in his power to land with the c's. I mean the guy even flew to LA to hang out with the c's this summer.
This deal has been in the works for months imo, he is trying to force his way to the c's by telling atlanta he won't resign, and have the c's at the top of his wish list
My read of Smith is that he would prefer getting a max contract and being the #1 scoring option to playing with Rondo on the Celtics and being in a better position to win a title, if coming to Boston means less money and less touches.
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i think JG and BB for Smith
which I'm not thrilled about, but I feel like that's the most realistic if he's keeping PP and KG
However, if he's not, then all these are feasible minus the Josh Smith one.
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Green and Bass for Smith is the only deal that makes sense for the C's; but you have to convince Atlanta that it is worth their while. Green is a better defender than Smith in our system. Smith is better than Bass for sure. Smith is a turnover machine and would drive Doc crazy; but yes I say with Pierce and Garnett, Smith is a good fit - too bad Rondo will not be in the mix till next season.
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STOP PEOPLE STOP PIPE DREAMING
what makes you think danny will give smith a max contract
smith said he wants max contract 16million? oh my gosh
i like jeff green anytime any day, you will see how good he is when pierce retire...
better stay in this team or see him dunking in your face josh smith, in atlanta
not gonna happen,
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I think there'll b s trade, just none of the ones listed. Most make no sense. Eg Rondo and DH have very different salaries. That trade will never happen bc it isn't allowed.
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Only do Rondo trade if Howard signs long term
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everyone is terrified of signing Smith for 15-16 million. Who cares? He's worth more than 12 million. Look at his numbers. Put him in a good system with an elite passing PG and watch him flourish.
We have a tiny window with KG and Pierce and Rondo. Throw him in the mix and we are a serious threat to them for 2 years. Even then when KG and Pierce come off the books we have 2 All Star caliber players.
Playing with Rondo and getting the exposure that the Celtics give an NBA players means Smith will be an All Star for the next 5 seasons getting lobs from Rondo and coaching from Doc.
So what we pay him an extra 2-3 million a year to have him here. If we are going to give Pierce and KG a real shot at another title we need him.
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everyone is terrified of signing Smith for 15-16 million. Who cares? He's worth more than 12 million. Look at his numbers. Put him in a good system with an elite passing PG and watch him flourish.
We have a tiny window with KG and Pierce and Rondo. Throw him in the mix and we are a serious threat to them for 2 years. Even then when KG and Pierce come off the books we have 2 All Star caliber players.
Playing with Rondo and getting the exposure that the Celtics give an NBA players means Smith will be an All Star for the next 5 seasons getting lobs from Rondo and coaching from Doc.
So what we pay him an extra 2-3 million a year to have him here. If we are going to give Pierce and KG a real shot at another title we need him.
Exactly , I made this exact thread earlier. Get Smith, he actually want to play here, is friends with the c's players, even going as far as to fly to LA to play flag football with them.
He gives us that interior Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. blocking/rebounding force we need to save kg's legs, and like you said , he has never played with such good passers as kg,pp and rondo in his life. He wouldn't play with the ball in his hands as much as he has in atlanta.
I am keeping my fingers crossed
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everyone is terrified of signing Smith for 15-16 million. Who cares? He's worth more than 12 million. Look at his numbers. Put him in a good system with an elite passing PG and watch him flourish.
We have a tiny window with KG and Pierce and Rondo. Throw him in the mix and we are a serious threat to them for 2 years. Even then when KG and Pierce come off the books we have 2 All Star caliber players.
Playing with Rondo and getting the exposure that the Celtics give an NBA players means Smith will be an All Star for the next 5 seasons getting lobs from Rondo and coaching from Doc.
So what we pay him an extra 2-3 million a year to have him here. If we are going to give Pierce and KG a real shot at another title we need him.
Exactly , I made this exact thread earlier. Get Smith, he actually want to play here, is friends with the c's players, even going as far as to fly to LA to play flag football with them.
He gives us that interior **** blocking/rebounding force we need to save kg's legs, and like you said , he has never played with such good passers as kg,pp and rondo in his life. He wouldn't play with the ball in his hands as much as he has in atlanta.
I am keeping my fingers crossed
Yeah I agree 100%. I do understand why people are worried about him, from certain parts of his stats and shooting issues. But he's a serious addition on both ends of the floor and can bang in the paint with the best of them.
Danny will obviously target better shooters and getting Smith means we really need some solid shooting from our guards and 3.
Lets hope Green, Avery and Rondo can step up from 15 feet consistently.
The most exciting part about adding Smith would be our defensive power. We'd have Smith guarding the rim with KG on the bench and if we keep Green, we'd be able to put Smith, Pierce and Green on Lebron for a playoff series which would give us much more room to keep Pierce fresh for late games and out of trouble.
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I would hate to see our veterans go but it is really the time to buy low on Dwight Howard.
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everyone is terrified of signing Smith for 15-16 million. Who cares? He's worth more than 12 million. Look at his numbers. Put him in a good system with an elite passing PG and watch him flourish.
We have a tiny window with KG and Pierce and Rondo. Throw him in the mix and we are a serious threat to them for 2 years. Even then when KG and Pierce come off the books we have 2 All Star caliber players.
Playing with Rondo and getting the exposure that the Celtics give an NBA players means Smith will be an All Star for the next 5 seasons getting lobs from Rondo and coaching from Doc.
So what we pay him an extra 2-3 million a year to have him here. If we are going to give Pierce and KG a real shot at another title we need him.
Exactly , I made this exact thread earlier. Get Smith, he actually want to play here, is friends with the c's players, even going as far as to fly to LA to play flag football with them.
He gives us that interior **** blocking/rebounding force we need to save kg's legs, and like you said , he has never played with such good passers as kg,pp and rondo in his life. He wouldn't play with the ball in his hands as much as he has in atlanta.
I am keeping my fingers crossed
Yeah I agree 100%. I do understand why people are worried about him, from certain parts of his stats and shooting issues. But he's a serious addition on both ends of the floor and can bang in the paint with the best of them.
Danny will obviously target better shooters and getting Smith means we really need some solid shooting from our guards and 3.
Lets hope Green, Avery and Rondo can step up from 15 feet consistently.
The most exciting part about adding Smith would be our defensive power. We'd have Smith guarding the rim with KG on the bench and if we keep Green, we'd be able to put Smith, Pierce and Green on Lebron for a playoff series which would give us much more room to keep Pierce fresh for late games and out of trouble.
It looks like in your scenario, we managed to get Smith without giving up any of Rondo, Garnett, Pierce, Bradley or Green.
I'm in!! Get it done, Danny!!
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Josh Smith wants to be in Boston and to play with his good buddy Rondo. I think a deal with Smith/a body for Bass/Green and a pick is the most likely. Even still they'll make a trade even if its a deal to trade for a no name big, Ainge just won't do any 3-1 deals since he already has a small roster to begin with.
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If Josh Smith wants to be on the Celtics so bad, I am sure Danny can swing a nice deal in the offseason for him.
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Josh Smith wants to be in Boston and to play with his good buddy Rondo.
Josh Smith probably wants to score 20ppg and thinks his buddy Rondo will pass him the rock often enough to allow him to do so.
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Josh Smith wants to be in Boston and to play with his good buddy Rondo.
Josh Smith probably wants to score 20ppg and thinks his buddy Rondo will pass him the rock often enough to allow him to do so.
Josh Smith has to commit to defense first before Coach Doc lets him see the floor. You don't just walk in and score 20 ppg with the Celtics.
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Josh Smith wants to be in Boston and to play with his good buddy Rondo.
Josh Smith probably wants to score 20ppg and thinks his buddy Rondo will pass him the rock often enough to allow him to do so.
Josh Smith has to commit to defense first before Coach Doc lets him see the floor. You don't just walk in and score 20 ppg with the Celtics.
so one of the best and athletic defenders in the league has to commit to defense? Ok....
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Josh Smith wants to be in Boston and to play with his good buddy Rondo.
Josh Smith probably wants to score 20ppg and thinks his buddy Rondo will pass him the rock often enough to allow him to do so.
Josh Smith has to commit to defense first before Coach Doc lets him see the floor. You don't just walk in and score 20 ppg with the Celtics.
so one of the best and athletic defenders in the league has to commit to defense? Ok....
Your offensive stats ALWAYS go down with the Celtics. Tell me one player who averaged MORE PPG after moving to Boston... it's our pace. As long as they fit, it doesn't matter they keep their same PPG as before. We emphasize D and we don't score 110PPG.