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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Clench123 on February 16, 2013, 02:25:34 PM
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Even though the rumor seems not to be true at the moment, I'm surprised at how many people want to trade away a player like Rondo for a failure that is Dwight Howard. If we need a prime example of how it's going to pan out, all you have to look at is the mess going on in Laker land at the moment. They also thought Dwight automatically makes them a contender and they couldn't be more wrong. And guess what, they have more starting five talents than we have. If they couldn't make it work with Kobe and them, I don't know how it's going to work with KG and Pierce. If you ask me, I'm not for trading Rondo at all but if we have to trade Rondo, certainly not for Dwight Howard. I thought people got off this bandwagon already...
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key sentence, ''if they couldn't make it work with kobe''.The same guy that couldn't get along with shaq? Dwight is leading the league in rebounding, a defensive force ,and good for 17-20 points. Probably only playing at about 80%.
This is the same site in which 80% of the people who voted on the front page that they wouldn't trade big al for kg back in 2007 ::)
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key sentence, ''if they couldn't make it work with kobe''.The same guy that couldn't get along with shaq? Dwight is leading the league in rebounding, a defensive force ,and good for 17-20 points. Probably only playing at about 80%.
This is the same site in which 80% of the people who voted on the front page that they wouldn't trade big al for kg back in 2007 ::)
Oh I wish the link was here. Haha
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I 100% endorse this thread.
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Even though the rumor seems not to be true at the moment, I'm surprised at how many people want to trade away a player like Rondo for a failure that is Dwight Howard. If we need a prime example of how it's going to pan out, all you have to look at is the mess going on in Laker land at the moment. They also thought Dwight automatically makes them a contender and they couldn't be more wrong. And guess what, they have more starting five talents than we have. If they couldn't make it work with Kobe and them, I don't know how it's going to work with KG and Pierce. If you ask me, I'm not for trading Rondo at all but if we have to trade Rondo, certainly not for Dwight Howard. I thought people got off this bandwagon already...
Who are you trying to represent all Cs fans?? Please do not use “WE” but use “I…”Poor and miserable topic. No arguments at all. Somebody does not like Howard because of what? Ugly face?? A topic to be closed in my opinion...
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Even though the rumor seems not to be true at the moment, I'm surprised at how many people want to trade away a player like Rondo for a failure that is Dwight Howard. If we need a prime example of how it's going to pan out, all you have to look at is the mess going on in Laker land at the moment. They also thought Dwight automatically makes them a contender and they couldn't be more wrong. And guess what, they have more starting five talents than we have. If they couldn't make it work with Kobe and them, I don't know how it's going to work with KG and Pierce. If you ask me, I'm not for trading Rondo at all but if we have to trade Rondo, certainly not for Dwight Howard. I thought people got off this bandwagon already...
Who are you trying to represent all Cs fans?? Please do not use “WE” but use “I…”Poor and miserable topic. No arguments at all. Somebody does not like Howard because of what? Ugly face?? A topic to be closed in my opinion...
I'm not representing anybody...but take it however you want, dude.
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Don't speak for me. I would love to have Howard on this team, the best center in the NBA.
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Even though the rumor seems not to be true at the moment, I'm surprised at how many people want to trade away a player like Rondo for a failure that is Dwight Howard. If we need a prime example of how it's going to pan out, all you have to look at is the mess going on in Laker land at the moment. They also thought Dwight automatically makes them a contender and they couldn't be more wrong. And guess what, they have more starting five talents than we have. If they couldn't make it work with Kobe and them, I don't know how it's going to work with KG and Pierce. If you ask me, I'm not for trading Rondo at all but if we have to trade Rondo, certainly not for Dwight Howard. I thought people got off this bandwagon already...
Who are you trying to represent all Cs fans?? Please do not use “WE” but use “I…”Poor and miserable topic. No arguments at all. Somebody does not like Howard because of what? Ugly face?? A topic to be closed in my opinion...
I'm not representing anybody...
...Please do not use “WE” but use “I"
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Even though the rumor seems not to be true at the moment, I'm surprised at how many people want to trade away a player like Rondo for a failure that is Dwight Howard. If we need a prime example of how it's going to pan out, all you have to look at is the mess going on in Laker land at the moment. They also thought Dwight automatically makes them a contender and they couldn't be more wrong. And guess what, they have more starting five talents than we have. If they couldn't make it work with Kobe and them, I don't know how it's going to work with KG and Pierce. If you ask me, I'm not for trading Rondo at all but if we have to trade Rondo, certainly not for Dwight Howard. I thought people got off this bandwagon already...
Who are you trying to represent all Cs fans?? Please do not use “WE” but use “I…”Poor and miserable topic. No arguments at all. Somebody does not like Howard because of what? Ugly face?? A topic to be closed in my opinion...
I'm not representing anybody...
...Please do not use “WE” but use “I"
He did use "I" sir
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We want Howard. We can't get Howard.
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The only way I want Howard here is if KG stays for a couple more, to teach him how to hate the guy not in Green.
Our weakness is Rebounding, protecting the rim right now, not ball movement.
Big Men are hard to come by. If you could convince Howard to stay it would be easier to bring in a PG then try to get a Big.
I love Rondo, but this is hard not to think about. We'd have a legit Center. Move KG back to PF were he can roam were he's at his best. Bring in a PG and back up PF and Miami might have a tough time with the new line up..
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen. It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
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Speak for yourself, lol. Trading an injured pg for a big like Howard is something I want and need lol
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First condider that we would lose a top 5 point guard forever, and in return would get a rental on a wounded big man who either can not move, or will not move, and who's personality has already torn two teams apart.
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He did use "I" sir
Are you sure??? Look at the title of the topic
Topic: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
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He did use "I" sir
Are you sure??? Look ate the title of the topic
Topic: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
I thought it was fairly clear that when he wrote "we" he meant the Celtics and wasn't trying to speak for all fans.
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen. It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game? ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be pretty disenchanted...
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He did use "I" sir
Are you sure??? Look ate the title of the topic
Topic: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
I thought it was fairly clear that when he wrote "we" he meant the Celtics and wasn't trying to speak for all fans.
Oh pleaseeee...if you use WE means representing all people
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen.
Completely agree with above. This would be a heist of epic proportions (though depends somewhat on who goes with Rondo).
I do think C's could conceivably get DH if the deal sends Rondo, Bradley, Green. LA sends back DH and Blake. A
DH/KG/PP/Lee/Blake Bench: Bass/Terry/Wilcox. Doubt that beats Miami, but who wants to play against that lineup?.
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He did use "I" sir
Are you sure??? Look ate the title of the topic
Topic: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
I thought it was fairly clear that when he wrote "we" he meant the Celtics and wasn't trying to speak for all fans.
Oh pleaseeee...if you use WE means representing all people
*palm face*...smh
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He did use "I" sir
Are you sure??? Look ate the title of the topic
Topic: We don't want Howard. We don't need Howard
I thought it was fairly clear that when he wrote "we" he meant the Celtics and wasn't trying to speak for all fans.
Oh pleaseeee...if you use WE means representing all people
*palm face*...smh
I also assumed (and we know what that means) that the title meant we (the fans). If it was the Celtics organizaiton, shouldn't there be a link to a quote?
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen. It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
I find that analogy so annoying, but I'll play along anyway.
So, we're the "nerdy kid in chess club" and we already have a super hot girlfriend in Rondo. However, now that we've been dating for awhile, we've seen her up close. We've seen her without the idealized lighting and the makeup. We've seen her when she's in a bad mood, when her hair's a mess, smelled her breath in the morning. She's off the pedestal.
Our friends are now trying to convince us to dump her for this other idealized prom queen, flawless princess. We had a good thing going with the first cheerleader. We've had great times and we've clicked, but we can't leave well enough alone and are trying to upgrade to a better girlfriend.
We'll date her for a little while and find out she's not what our imagination thought she was either. She's not the flawless, ideal, movie version of a princess (that girl doesn't exist). To make matters worse, she'll just end up dumping us and leaving us heartbroken and alone.
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen. It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game? ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be pretty disenchanted...
Dwight is dealing with some injuries of his own and that team for whatever reason is dysfunctional. But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it. And I'm not yet ruling out that the Lakers don't win a title this year if players get healthy and they find some chemistry.
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Saying we shouldn't trade Rondo for Howard is pretty similar to saying we shouldn't have moved Big Al for KG, in my opinion.
Howard is just a vastly more valuable player, especially for this season.
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen. It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game? ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be pretty disenchanted...
Dwight is dealing with some injuries of his own and that team for whatever reason is dysfunctional. But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it. And I'm not yet ruling out that the Lakers don't win a title this year if players get healthy and they find some chemistry.
Dwight Howard needs the right coach and environment for him to take the next step. He just doesn't realize it. Doc and KG would be great for him.
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen. It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game? ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be pretty disenchanted...
But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it.
Guys named Rashard, Jameer, and Hedo beg to differ. As do very good role players named Mickael, Courtney, Rafer and Marcin.
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Saying we shouldn't trade Rondo for Howard is pretty similar to saying we shouldn't have moved Big Al for KG, in my opinion.
Howard is just a vastly more valuable player, especially for this season.
Yeah pretty much... and Dwight is 27. KG was already 32 years old when we moved Big Al for him. And fwiw, Big Al's ceiling seemed a lot higher than Rondo's right now. Big Al looked like he'd go on to be an all-star big man (in a league where you need big men to win titles) and instead he turned into a consistent 18 and 10 guy. Big Al was 22 years old at the time... the idea of trading a 22 year old with a HUGE future for a 32 year Top-5 player at the tail end of his career is, imo, drastically different than trading a 27 year old flawed point guard with a TORN ACL for a 27 year old Top-5 player... the best big man in the game... 5 time All-NBA 1st team... 3 time defensive player of the year. I mean seriously.
You absolutely would have to trade a healthy Rondo for Dwight. It's a no brainer. You could have talked me out of trading Big Al for KG, though.
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen. It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game? ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be pretty disenchanted...
But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it.
Guys named Rashard, Jameer, and Hedo beg to differ. As do very good role players named Mickael, Courtney, Rafer and Marcin.
I see no star players in that list. Howard carried that Magic team for years. That Arenas trade killed them.
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen. It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game? ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be pretty disenchanted...
But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it.
Guys named Rashard, Jameer, and Hedo beg to differ. As do very good role players named Mickael, Courtney, Rafer and Marcin.
I see no star players in that list. Howard carried that Magic team for years. That Arenas trade killed them.
Sorry... I forgot about the hall-of-fame "Big 3" that carried Dwight to the finals... Rashard, Jameer and Hedo.
Lol
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Saying we shouldn't trade Rondo for Howard is pretty similar to saying we shouldn't have moved Big Al for KG, in my opinion.
Howard is just a vastly more valuable player, especially for this season.
Yeah pretty much... and Dwight is 27. KG was already 32 years old when we moved Big Al for him. And fwiw, Big Al's ceiling seemed a lot higher than Rondo's right now. Big Al looked like he'd go on to be an all-star big man (in a league where you need big men to win titles) and instead he turned into a consistent 18 and 10 guy. Big Al was 22 years old at the time... the idea of trading a 22 year old with a HUGE future for a 32 year Top-5 player at the tail end of his career is, imo, drastically different than trading a 27 year old flawed point guard with a TORN ACL for a 27 year old Top-5 player... the best big man in the game... 5 time All-NBA 1st team... 3 time defensive player of the year. I mean seriously.
You absolutely would have to trade a healthy Rondo for Dwight. It's a no brainer. You could have talked me out of trading Big Al for KG, though.
Dwight Howard has had a stellar career so far, but his back issues and his attitude issues are both major red flags. Kevin Garnett didn't have those issues when we traded big Al et. al. for him back in 2007.
Also, Jefferson wasn't already a top 15 player in the league back then. He was rather someone who had the potential to become one. There's a big difference.
I don't think it's an apt comparison at all. That trade worked out in our favor. To use that as evidence that a Rondo for Howard trade would work out as well doesn't really hold any logical water.
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Has a team ever successfully traded an overrated poor shooting point guard with a torn ACL... for the best big man in the game?
That would be the most ridiculous heist of all time. In the NBA, big men win championships... not point guards. Essentially every champion ever has had at least one elite big man on their roster.
NOt going to happen. It's been said before, but threads like this are the equivalent of the nerdy kid in chess club saying he wouldn't hook up with the head cheerleader, because she's "not hot enough".
Best big man in the game? ??? The Lakers' fans on the Silver Screen and Roll blog seem to be pretty disenchanted...
But we already know a healthy Dwight Howard can carry a team to the FInals by himself... he's already done it.
Guys named Rashard, Jameer, and Hedo beg to differ. As do very good role players named Mickael, Courtney, Rafer and Marcin.
I see no star players in that list. Howard carried that Magic team for years. That Arenas trade killed them.
Sorry... I forgot about the hall-of-fame "Big 3" that carried Dwight to the finals... Rashard, Jameer and Hedo.
Lol
I wasn't trying to imply that any of them were hall of famers, but they were a very good supporting cast at the time.
Jameer Nelson and Rashard Lewis were both all stars during the Magic's NBA finals year, and Hedo Turkoglu had been awarded the League's Most Improved Player award the year before. Those guys weren't scrubs.
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I don't want Rondo. We don't need Rondo.
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This thread was a much better read than I thought it would be lol. Let us be serious though, every team wants DH12. I HATE Lebron, but I'd take him in green.
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Saying we shouldn't trade Rondo for Howard is pretty similar to saying we shouldn't have moved Big Al for KG, in my opinion.
Howard is just a vastly more valuable player, especially for this season.
Yeah pretty much... and Dwight is 27. KG was already 32 years old when we moved Big Al for him. And fwiw, Big Al's ceiling seemed a lot higher than Rondo's right now. Big Al looked like he'd go on to be an all-star big man (in a league where you need big men to win titles) and instead he turned into a consistent 18 and 10 guy. Big Al was 22 years old at the time... the idea of trading a 22 year old with a HUGE future for a 32 year Top-5 player at the tail end of his career is, imo, drastically different than trading a 27 year old flawed point guard with a TORN ACL for a 27 year old Top-5 player... the best big man in the game... 5 time All-NBA 1st team... 3 time defensive player of the year. I mean seriously.
You absolutely would have to trade a healthy Rondo for Dwight. It's a no brainer. You could have talked me out of trading Big Al for KG, though.
Dwight Howard has had a stellar career so far, but his back issues and his attitude issues are both major red flags. Kevin Garnett didn't have those issues when we traded big Al et. al. for him back in 2007.
Also, Jefferson wasn't already a top 15 player in the league back then. He was rather someone who had the potential to become one. There's a big difference.
I don't think it's an apt comparison at all. That trade worked out in our favor. To use that as evidence that a Rondo for Howard trade would work out as well doesn't really hold any logical water.
Big Al for KG was a trade where we substantially underpaid, and yet many fans didn't want to do the deal.
An injured Rondo for D12 would be a similar underpay, and yet there's a vocal contingent indicating their displeasure.
That's the comparison. When you get a chance to obtain a superstar, and you're paying less than perceived market value, I think you pull the trigger.
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Saying we shouldn't trade Rondo for Howard is pretty similar to saying we shouldn't have moved Big Al for KG, in my opinion.
Howard is just a vastly more valuable player, especially for this season.
Yeah pretty much... and Dwight is 27. KG was already 32 years old when we moved Big Al for him. And fwiw, Big Al's ceiling seemed a lot higher than Rondo's right now. Big Al looked like he'd go on to be an all-star big man (in a league where you need big men to win titles) and instead he turned into a consistent 18 and 10 guy. Big Al was 22 years old at the time... the idea of trading a 22 year old with a HUGE future for a 32 year Top-5 player at the tail end of his career is, imo, drastically different than trading a 27 year old flawed point guard with a TORN ACL for a 27 year old Top-5 player... the best big man in the game... 5 time All-NBA 1st team... 3 time defensive player of the year. I mean seriously.
You absolutely would have to trade a healthy Rondo for Dwight. It's a no brainer. You could have talked me out of trading Big Al for KG, though.
Dwight Howard has had a stellar career so far, but his back issues and his attitude issues are both major red flags. Kevin Garnett didn't have those issues when we traded big Al et. al. for him back in 2007.
Also, Jefferson wasn't already a top 15 player in the league back then. He was rather someone who had the potential to become one. There's a big difference.
I don't think it's an apt comparison at all. That trade worked out in our favor. To use that as evidence that a Rondo for Howard trade would work out as well doesn't really hold any logical water.
Big Al for KG was a trade where we substantially underpaid, and yet many fans didn't want to do the deal.
An injured Rondo for D12 would be a similar underpay, and yet there's a vocal contingent indicating their displeasure.
That's the comparison. When you get a chance to obtain a superstar, and you're paying less than perceived market value, I think you pull the trigger.
A Rondo for Howard trade would be a trade of an injured superstar for another injured superstar. To be honest, I have no idea which player has a better chance of returning to a high level of play post-injury or of recovering fully.
I simply don't agree on the underpay part. Dwight Howard has been one of the most dominant players in the league, but there's a reasonable chance that those days are behind him.
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we may not WANT Howard, but we do need Howard...........
need his body and not his mind
lets get Howard an give him a lobotomy.