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Title: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: csfansince60s on February 16, 2013, 11:24:48 AM
Even though there are 5 selections, there seem to be 3 courses of action:

1. Big blowup: Trade KG and Pierce (it seems if one goes, they both go)
2. Retool on the fly: trade for Howard and/or Smith and keep the core intact to compete now and the next few years
3. Stay the course and get whatever FAs we can to plug the holes and keep Rondo as an asset to either build around or use as an asset to start over when PP and KG retire.

I would rather retool and trade for Howard and compete this year and into the future. I voted #1.

If we didn't trade Rondo for Howard, I would trade for Josh Smith. Both #1 and #4 give us a better chance to win this year with PP/KG and maybe the next two.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: eugen on February 16, 2013, 02:32:46 PM
I do not thing that is good idea to trade KG or PP. Both of them are the fundaments of this team, the spirit of this team. Most wise move is to get rid of Rondo and to get the best defender of the NBA. Also sign Delonte and some other player to fill up the roster.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: Clench123 on February 16, 2013, 02:34:15 PM
How about a poll for none?
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 16, 2013, 02:36:46 PM
Rondo for Howard is obviously the best option, but it's also the most unrealistic option.  They haven't spoken since Rondo was injured.  No way they'd trade Howard for a broken point guard.

Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 02:37:22 PM
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Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 16, 2013, 02:43:02 PM
Dealing with either LA team just doesnt look right going forward with what we end up giving up. I like bledsoe/jordan deal but losing KG will suck the life out of this team.

Been on the smith bandwagon since day 1. If we can keep PP, KG, AND Rondo while getting Smoove I say Yes!

Also check stand pat since I think thats what Danny will do. Seems like when all the rumors run around the C's the less likely it happens. More likely we pick up some pf/guard
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: eugen on February 16, 2013, 02:52:46 PM
Rondo for Howard is obviously the best option, but it's also the most unrealistic option.  They haven't spoken since Rondo was injured.  No way they'd trade Howard for a broken point guard.

You right, Rondo for now is injured, but LAL season is gonna be short, beaciuse they will not be in playoff, so they are not gonna need Howard after April 17
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 02:55:28 PM
Rondo for Howard is obviously the best option, but it's also the most unrealistic option.  They haven't spoken since Rondo was injured.  No way they'd trade Howard for a broken point guard.

You right, Rondo for now is injured, but LAL season is gonna be short, beaciuse they will not be in playoff, so they are not gonna need Howard after April 17

Im thinking they still have anchance
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: Celtics18 on February 16, 2013, 02:56:07 PM
Rondo for Howard is obviously the best option, but it's also the most unrealistic option.  They haven't spoken since Rondo was injured.  No way they'd trade Howard for a broken point guard.

That's obviously not that obvious.  Trading away Rondo for Howard would be a huge risk.  I'm not saying it's a risk that couldn't work out, but it would have a fairly large chance of ending up being a big mistake, as well.

That's kind of the thing with any course of action that Danny takes.  There is no surefire answer.  If there were, his job would be easy. 

For me, personally, seeing Rondo remain a Celtic is the one thing I'm sure that I want for the future of this franchise.  If there are options for putting young talent around him, I'd rather explore those options than get rid of him and start all over.   
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 16, 2013, 02:56:38 PM
Rondo for Howard is obviously the best option, but it's also the most unrealistic option.  They haven't spoken since Rondo was injured.  No way they'd trade Howard for a broken point guard.

Unless they see how big of a longshot their chances for making the playoffs are, if they have a low of opinion on their chances of keeping Howard beyond this year, and considering Howard's adamancy to be a free-agent and not commit to a team, makes his trade value possibilities quite limited, particularly considering how they've traded away their future draft picks, and would be left hopeless in a rebuilt effort if Howard walks.

Even though they have Howard, Lakers are not negotiating from a position of power with anyone.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: More Banners on February 16, 2013, 02:58:30 PM
Rondo for Howard is obviously the best option, but it's also the most unrealistic option.  They haven't spoken since Rondo was injured.  No way they'd trade Howard for a broken point guard.

I can see that.

Perhaps the injury ups the price by a 1st.

Either way, LAL concedes this season and builds for the future, securing Rondo and dumping the Dwightmare, which didn't seem to work.

Rondo for Gasol instead?  Might be easier to take in LA, and would rid a Kobe feud for a Kobe fav.

Gasol comes back to bolster the team in time for the playoffs, which LA won't be in.  KG/Gasol/Pierce starting front line, with Bradley/Lee at guard, and a bench of JET, Green, and Wilcox.  Pretty outstanding 1-8.

Works for us either way, perhaps?  Gasol or Dwight?

The roster looks like we're an elite big away from being a true contender with Pierce and KG, with JET and Green filling big roles.

Rondo+Bass hopefully gets it done, but if the price includes a pick, I still think it's the way to go.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: LooseCannon on February 16, 2013, 04:55:22 PM
I wait until Rondo comes back from injury and evaluate his recovery, then decide to blow it up or go forward with him as part of the core.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: CelticSooner on February 16, 2013, 05:04:07 PM
I wait until Rondo comes back from injury and evaluate his recovery, then decide to blow it up or go forward with him as part of the core.

KG and Pierce's trade value has no where to go but down. If Ainge waits around and those two retire the C's are left with nothing. This is tough situation for Ainge to be in. You want the vets for one last ride but you also want at least some pieces for the future.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: LooseCannon on February 16, 2013, 05:18:10 PM
I wouldn't trade them for the sake of trading them.  If I did trade them, I wouldn't want a big contract that goes beyond 2013-2014 unless it is a star who is worth a max contract.

I think that the team has a legitimate shot at being a contender next season, so I am not sacrificing that for a very vague future.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: More Banners on February 16, 2013, 05:27:43 PM
I wouldn't trade them for the sake of trading them.  If I did trade them, I wouldn't want a big contract that goes beyond 2013-2014 unless it is a star who is worth a max contract.

I think that the team has a legitimate shot at being a contender next season, so I am not sacrificing that for a very vague future.

Don't we have a legit shot with a star-level big man THIS year?

I think we do.

And when those chances are around, you take them.

So don't trade Pierce and KG, trade the other guys if you must, but we're close to contending right now.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: dreamgreen on February 16, 2013, 05:40:04 PM
I would do Rondo (hopefully Bass) for Howard, he is having a down year, but IMO he will be back to normal sooner than latter.

That makes us better this year for sure, Rondo is down of course.

Still need a PG, so I guess you try to move PP for a Bledsoe/Butler package? or just roll with what we got.

I'll be surprised if Danny does anything big honestly.

The move to make IMO is PP for Smith, and try to add a shooter.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 07:28:36 PM
I would do the Howard trade (not happening) or the Smith trade (unlikely to happen), but not both.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 16, 2013, 07:40:29 PM
trade Hondo Rondo for Howard, or Gasol.   

thinking less of trading Green ,  Bass ....whatever.....I'd do It I guess for Smith........long as it doesn't give Smithy a max deal.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 07:45:55 PM
trade Hondo Rondo for Howard, or Gasol.   

thinking less of trading Green ,  Bass ....whatever.....I'd do It I guess for Smith........long as it doesn't give Smithy a max deal.

Gasol? What?

A Rondo-Bradley-Green-Smith-Howard is a championship contender no matter where you look from.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: 1dude on February 16, 2013, 08:29:41 PM
Really? Where would our free throws and clutchness come from.?
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: CoachBo on February 16, 2013, 08:44:30 PM
I would do the Howard trade (not happening) or the Smith trade (unlikely to happen), but not both.

Co-sign.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: jamala22 on February 17, 2013, 12:18:33 AM
I would go all in this year if we could somehow get Howard.  An 80% Howard playing center alongside of KG would shut down the paint.  Lee, Bradley, PP, KG and Howard would give any team a run with the Jet and possibly Green coming off the bench (assuming a Rondo/Bass Filler trade package, I'd throw in Melo and 1st to get this done).  We could find a few good FA's to give us some minutes (K-mart and even Delonte).

This way as well PP and KG could retire as Celtics.  Win Win.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: jamala22 on February 17, 2013, 12:24:14 AM
I'm also completely against a trade for Josh Smith.  He'd only be a half season rental, or I hope he'd only be a half season rental.  He is worth nowhere near the Max contract he's looking for.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: More Banners on February 17, 2013, 01:25:49 AM
I would go all in this year if we could somehow get Howard.  An 80% Howard playing center alongside of KG would shut down the paint.  Lee, Bradley, PP, KG and Howard would give any team a run with the Jet and possibly Green coming off the bench (assuming a Rondo/Bass Filler trade package, I'd throw in Melo and 1st to get this done).  We could find a few good FA's to give us some minutes (K-mart and even Delonte).

This way as well PP and KG could retire as Celtics.  Win Win.

I agree with the idea of trading for Howard (or another star-level big/center), but I'd hesitate to put Delonte and Howard together in the locker room...too much clowning there, but so much talent, too.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: csfansince60s on February 17, 2013, 09:34:25 AM
Rondo for Howard is obviously the best option, but it's also the most unrealistic option.  They haven't spoken since Rondo was injured.  No way they'd trade Howard for a broken point guard.

You right, Rondo for now is injured, but LAL season is gonna be short, beaciuse they will not be in playoff, so they are not gonna need Howard after April 17

Im thinking they still have anchance

At the 8th seed? Maybe. Don't bet on it though. They are a very dysfunctional team with the locker room  full of tension.  Houston is 3 games up on them and the Blazers are one game behind them breathing down their necks and have been playing well of late.

Also, not sure if one and done as the 8th seed is acceptable to them.

If that is the case, maybe their mindset is "Let's get something for Howard before he bolts." He's obviously not happy there.
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: toine83 on February 17, 2013, 01:20:59 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6241171

What do you think?
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 17, 2013, 02:07:24 PM
My order is this:

1) Rondo for Howard.  The least likely to happen as this a top 5 PG for a top 2 Center.  It will take more than Rondo $$-wise and value wise to get Howard.  I understand the Howard reluctance, but this move leaves makes us an immediate contender.  May not work out, but my opinion is that you gamble when there is the chance to get a young dominant player.  He is not Vin Baker.

2) Green/Lee for Smith.  Though I am not a huge Smith fan, this provides us the best player in the deal and leaves KG and PP and a legit shot to do something significant in the playoffs this year or next. 

3) KG for Bledsoe/Jordan.   Step 1 to building future assets.  2 good young pieces add to a young talent pool that would now have Bradley, Sullinger, Bledsoe, Jordan, Rondo, Lee, Green and Melo.  Hate to trade KG but would do this ahead of standing pat.

4) Trade Pierce.  If you make the KG trade there is no reason to keep Pierce IF he brings back 2 additional assets -- perhaps a young talent and a pick.  C's would jump-start the rebuild by 2 years (at least) by getting assets for KG and PP. I'd hate to trade Pierce but he will return much more now than at the end of year or next year.

5) Do nothing (add a scrap heap PG and big).  As much as I love KG and Pierce, doing nothing is my least favorite strategy.  This team as is, is so unlikely to win anything more than maybe a round in the playoffs in the next 2 years that no big moves is, to me, the most disappointing.  I'd much rather start the re-build with the assets that KG and PP could return if we can't add a big talent to the current roster.   
Title: Re: POLL: Which trade(s)/route do you take? or not?
Post by: csfansince60s on February 17, 2013, 08:15:45 PM
My order is this:

1) Rondo for Howard.  The least likely to happen as this a top 5 PG for a top 2 Center.  It will take more than Rondo $$-wise and value wise to get Howard.  I understand the Howard reluctance, but this move leaves makes us an immediate contender.  May not work out, but my opinion is that you gamble when there is the chance to get a young dominant player.  He is not Vin Baker.

2) Green/Lee for Smith.  Though I am not a huge Smith fan, this provides us the best player in the deal and leaves KG and PP and a legit shot to do something significant in the playoffs this year or next. 

3) KG for Bledsoe/Jordan.   Step 1 to building future assets.  2 good young pieces add to a young talent pool that would now have Bradley, Sullinger, Bledsoe, Jordan, Rondo, Lee, Green and Melo.  Hate to trade KG but would do this ahead of standing pat.

4) Trade Pierce.  If you make the KG trade there is no reason to keep Pierce IF he brings back 2 additional assets -- perhaps a young talent and a pick.  C's would jump-start the rebuild by 2 years (at least) by getting assets for KG and PP. I'd hate to trade Pierce but he will return much more now than at the end of year or next year.

5) Do nothing (add a scrap heap PG and big).  As much as I love KG and Pierce, doing nothing is my least favorite strategy.  This team as is, is so unlikely to win anything more than maybe a round in the playoffs in the next 2 years that no big moves is, to me, the most disappointing.  I'd much rather start the re-build with the assets that KG and PP could return if we can't add a big talent to the current roster.   

My order of preference is:

1. Howard
2. Smith
3.Stand pat
4.TradeKG/PP