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Title: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Evantime34 on February 16, 2013, 01:21:50 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--clippers--celtics-discussing-kevin-garnett-trade--055506411.html

"The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers have been discussing a deal to trade forward Kevin Garnett for guard Eric Bledsoe and center DeAndre Jordan, league sources told Yahoo! Sports."

My thoughts on this
1. Rarely do you hear a rumor reported for a while around the trade deadline actually come to fruition, but you never know.
2. Would trading KG mean that Pierce is out the door too?
3. With Rondo at the helm next year I would move Bledsoe for a big. Maybe play him the rest of the year to get his value up as a starter of a (potential) playoff team.
4. Can Jordan ever learn how to shoot free throws?
5. You wonder if KG's comments hinting at retirement make Ainge more likely to deal him.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: RJ87 on February 16, 2013, 01:25:54 AM
I don't wanna trade KG. I just don't.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: indeedproceed on February 16, 2013, 01:27:04 AM
I see the logic, and I hates it. Hope nothing comes to pass
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Who on February 16, 2013, 01:27:42 AM
Gosh, I would hate to see the Clippers win a title.

Send Garnett somewhere else. Give him to San Antonio.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Adelaide Celt on February 16, 2013, 01:28:26 AM
So glad KG has a no-trade clause.

Just say no!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Atzar on February 16, 2013, 01:31:44 AM
Not terribly fond of guys who I can't play in the fourth quarter.  But if we're really set on blowing it up and trading KG, then that's probably the best we're going to get. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: jdz101 on February 16, 2013, 01:33:36 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--clippers--celtics-discussing-kevin-garnett-trade--055506411.html

"The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers have been discussing a deal to trade forward Kevin Garnett for guard Eric Bledsoe and center DeAndre Jordan, league sources told Yahoo! Sports."

My thoughts on this
1. Rarely do you hear a rumor reported for a while around the trade deadline actually come to fruition, but you never know.
2. Would trading KG mean that Pierce is out the door too?
3. With Rondo at the helm next year I would move Bledsoe for a big. Maybe play him the rest of the year to get his value up as a starter of a (potential) playoff team.
4. Can Jordan ever learn how to shoot free throws?
5. You wonder if KG's comments hinting at retirement make Ainge more likely to deal him.

1. You are very much correct.
2. Probably.
3. Bledsoe is heavily overrated/so is jordan. He could not start for a playoff team.
4. No. He has okay form but he has no control over how strongly he shoots the ball.
5. Im not sure he was hinting at retirement.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Evantime34 on February 16, 2013, 01:40:35 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--clippers--celtics-discussing-kevin-garnett-trade--055506411.html

"The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers have been discussing a deal to trade forward Kevin Garnett for guard Eric Bledsoe and center DeAndre Jordan, league sources told Yahoo! Sports."

My thoughts on this
1. Rarely do you hear a rumor reported for a while around the trade deadline actually come to fruition, but you never know.
2. Would trading KG mean that Pierce is out the door too?
3. With Rondo at the helm next year I would move Bledsoe for a big. Maybe play him the rest of the year to get his value up as a starter of a (potential) playoff team.
4. Can Jordan ever learn how to shoot free throws?
5. You wonder if KG's comments hinting at retirement make Ainge more likely to deal him.

1. You are very much correct.
2. Probably.
3. Bledsoe is heavily overrated/so is jordan. He could not start for a playoff team.
4. No. He has okay form but he has no control over how strongly he shoots the ball.
5. Im not sure he was hinting at retirement.
3. The thing is, both players are young and will improve, so maybe they are overrated now but they could be properly rated in the future. If Bledsoe was traded to us I think he would be a starter on a playoff team.
4. I hope you are wrong but I fear you are correct.
5. Anytime KG says anything it is hard to understand his entire meaning, this time he was intentionally being cryptic which means we have no way to even venture a guess as to what he means.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: indeedproceed on February 16, 2013, 01:41:31 AM
Gosh, I would hate to see the Clippers win a title.

Send Garnett somewhere else. Give him to San Antonio.

Ah, a fellow Sterling hater. Yes, that guy sucks. A deep playoff run will cement him with anyone who would've even briefly entertained trying to force him out. It would turn into another Marge Schott situation.

Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Galeto on February 16, 2013, 01:57:38 AM
Ugh, I hope this doesn't happen.  It'd be punting away the season without significantly changing the rebuilding timeline that awaits them in the near future because Bledsoe and Jordan (or whoever you get from trading Rondo or Blesoe) aren't good enough.  They're pretty good and they've both improved a lot but they have some big warts.  I much prefer seeing Garnett and Pierce play out their contracts here, give  their best shot and then hope for draft luck aftewards.  Plus, seeing Sterling and Chris Paul win would be disagreeable.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 16, 2013, 01:59:57 AM
PLEASE GOD, NO!!!! KG, please say NO!! This isn't going to be a win now and I'm not even sure if it's better for our future. Again, I'm not a player's fan but if it's about the Celtics, we have a better shot for about 3 more seasons with KG at a title (if he's healthy and we get a few more pieces) than I think we'd have with 10 years of building around DJ and RR... who else will we be able to pay in a couple years? RR will get a significant raise and I'm sure DJ will get a healthy raise b/c he is a solid center and probably more so in a few seasons. Okay, let's say we can have RR, AB, G8, PF (Bass), and DJ... who are they beating? NO sir!!!! Don't do it!! Danny give this group with minor additions and maybe subtractions the 3 yrs of KG's contract!!! DON'T DO IT KG OR DANNY!!


It's only 2am and this has ruined my day... Woj, why?!!!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 02:00:27 AM
I jst can't see it happening.  Nothing the Clips have to offer us is better than simply letting KG just retire.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: southshorematt on February 16, 2013, 02:02:32 AM
As much as I love KG and would like to see him retire a Celtic, YOU ABSOLUTELY DO THIS.
It's time to move on from the past... the 08 championship days are OVER... get it.. OVER

Acquire as much young talent as you can and get KG's contract off the books. I would also try to move Pierce for a good younger player.

You ride out the rest of this season, and then this summer you make a bang...

I think this summer would be a great time to trade Bledsoe, Jordan, and our 2013 1st for Demarcus Cousins. Then with KG and Pierce's money off the books along with Bledsoe and Jordan, you can now sign Josh Smith as a free agent... we all know he wants to come here.

So now instead of having a team with aging stars, you have a young/ athletic/ exciting bunch. You have a NEW ERA of Celtics basketball...

RONDO
BRADLEY
GREEN
SMITH
COUSINS

That's the most athletic starting 5 in the NBA

Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: btabakin on February 16, 2013, 02:03:32 AM
Put sentimentality aside for a second. I love KG as much as anyone. But lets be honest, the Celtics aren't winning a title this year or next year.

KG is getting older and older and doesn't have much time left. DeAndre Jordan is a 24 year-old center rapidly improving and Eric Bledsoe is one of the most sought after PG prospects in the NBA at only 23 years-old. Bledsoe was terrific with the starting role while CP3 was injured.

If this trade happens it helps us get better and quickens the rebuilding process.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 16, 2013, 02:05:23 AM
As much as I love KG and would like to see him retire a Celtics, YOU ABSOLUTELY DO THIS.
It's time to move on from the past... the 08 championship days are OVER... get it.. OVER

Acquire as much young talent as you can and get KG's contract off the books. I would also try to move Pierce for a good younger player.

You ride out the rest of this season, and then this summer you make a bang...

I think this summer would be a great time to trade Bledsoe, Jordan, and our 2013 1st for Demarcus Cousins. Then with KG and Pierce's money off the books along with Bledsoe and Jordan, you can now sign Josh Smith as a free agent... we all know he wants to come here.

So now instead of having a team with aging stars, you have a young/ athletic/ exciting bunch. You have a NEW ERA of Celtics basketball...

RONDO
BRADLEY
GREEN
SMITH
COUSINS

That's the most athletic starting 5 in the NBA

Again, fun to watch but I don't see them getting past the second round ever! Don't do it!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: crownontherocks on February 16, 2013, 02:06:37 AM
Vinny Del Negro wants KG, willing to give Bledsoe/Jordan for him. Clips front office totally against the move. Front office has final say.

 Chris Broussard
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 16, 2013, 02:08:29 AM
Put sentimentality aside for a second. I love KG as much as anyone. But lets be honest, the Celtics aren't winning a title this year or next year.

KG is getting older and older and doesn't have much time left. DeAndre Jordan is a 24 year-old center rapidly improving and Eric Bledsoe is one of the most sought after PG prospects in the NBA at only 23 years-old. Bledsoe was terrific with the starting role while CP3 was injured.

If this trade happens it helps us get better and quickens the rebuilding process.

What are we rebuilding to is the question, who are those group of guys beating that the team we have can't? Who? If the team we have (add a couple players who are solid) can't beat anyone, I don't see DJ,RR, AB, PF, and Green doing it... especially since we wont be able to afford anyone else after everyone gets paid.


Look at the talent the Clips have, they think they'd have a better shot at winning the title WITH KG than both of the guys we would be getting. So if the Clips don't think they can win WITH Jordan and Bledsoe with all the talent they have, what are we winning with them plus RR, JG, AB, and Bass?? PLEASE NO!! Get us a few minor pieces and let's roll with the guys we have, they have a better shot at winning now than the team we will be putting out with DJ and Bledsoe in probably 10 seasons!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: btabakin on February 16, 2013, 02:09:35 AM
Vinny Del Negro wants KG, willing to give Bledsoe/Jordan for him. Clips front office totally against the move. Front office has final say.

 Chris Broussard

Broussard is the biggest clown in the NBA. His sources suck and his reporting is pathetic.

What concerns me is this quote from an article by Sam Amico of Fox Sports:

"Sources speculated if Garnett were to agree to a trade, the Celtics would then aggressively attempt to move Pierce before Thursday’s trading deadline."
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: southshorematt on February 16, 2013, 02:09:55 AM
As much as I love KG and would like to see him retire a Celtics, YOU ABSOLUTELY DO THIS.
It's time to move on from the past... the 08 championship days are OVER... get it.. OVER

Acquire as much young talent as you can and get KG's contract off the books. I would also try to move Pierce for a good younger player.

You ride out the rest of this season, and then this summer you make a bang...

I think this summer would be a great time to trade Bledsoe, Jordan, and our 2013 1st for Demarcus Cousins. Then with KG and Pierce's money off the books along with Bledsoe and Jordan, you can now sign Josh Smith as a free agent... we all know he wants to come here.

So now instead of having a team with aging stars, you have a young/ athletic/ exciting bunch. You have a NEW ERA of Celtics basketball...

RONDO
BRADLEY
GREEN
SMITH
COUSINS

That's the most athletic starting 5 in the NBA

Again, fun to watch but I don't see them getting past the second round ever! Don't do it!

How so? That starting 5 could definitely stand toe to toe with Miami...

Bradley can shut Wade down, Rondo can shut down Chalmers, and Green handled LBJ pretty well in that last match up. Having Demarcus and Jsmoove in the paint would clog it up. Offensively Rondo could run with all 4 of those other guys and give Miami a dose of their own medicine
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: The Rondo Show on February 16, 2013, 02:13:59 AM
As much as I love KG and would like to see him retire a Celtic, YOU ABSOLUTELY DO THIS.
It's time to move on from the past... the 08 championship days are OVER... get it.. OVER

Acquire as much young talent as you can and get KG's contract off the books. I would also try to move Pierce for a good younger player.

You ride out the rest of this season, and then this summer you make a bang...

I think this summer would be a great time to trade Bledsoe, Jordan, and our 2013 1st for Demarcus Cousins. Then with KG and Pierce's money off the books along with Bledsoe and Jordan, you can now sign Josh Smith as a free agent... we all know he wants to come here.

So now instead of having a team with aging stars, you have a young/ athletic/ exciting bunch. You have a NEW ERA of Celtics basketball...

RONDO
BRADLEY
GREEN
SMITH
COUSINS

That's the most athletic starting 5 in the NBA

I like the potential of this lineup but man could that end horribly
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 16, 2013, 02:14:12 AM
This would be terrible for so many reasons.

KG is my single most favorite player to watch.

The C's would be terrible for the foreseeable future.

Pierce would likely be dealt.

Ugh. KG needs to put that no-trade clause to use! Whatever they could get in return would not be championship-caliber anytime soon, so I'd rather just continue watching my true Celtics.

34 and 5 are going in the rafters, let them finish their careers here.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: btabakin on February 16, 2013, 02:17:08 AM
Put sentimentality aside for a second. I love KG as much as anyone. But lets be honest, the Celtics aren't winning a title this year or next year.

KG is getting older and older and doesn't have much time left. DeAndre Jordan is a 24 year-old center rapidly improving and Eric Bledsoe is one of the most sought after PG prospects in the NBA at only 23 years-old. Bledsoe was terrific with the starting role while CP3 was injured.

If this trade happens it helps us get better and quickens the rebuilding process.

What are we rebuilding to is the question, who are those group of guys beating that the team we have can't? Who? If the team we have (add a couple players who are solid) can't beat anyone, I don't see DJ,RR, AB, PF, and Green doing it... especially since we wont be able to afford anyone else after everyone gets paid.


Look at the talent the Clips have, they think they'd have a better shot at winning the title WITH KG than both of the guys we would be getting. So if the Clips don't think they can win WITH Jordan and Bledsoe with all the talent they have, what are we winning with them plus RR, JG, AB, and Bass?? PLEASE NO!! Get us a few minor pieces and let's roll with the guys we have, they have a better shot at winning now than the team we will be putting out with DJ and Bledsoe in probably 10 seasons!

Yes the Clippers have a better shot at a title with KG because he can create spacing an open up lanes for Blake Griffin. The truth of the matter is that this team will not win any titles as presently constructed. Do you want to turn into the Hawks where we make the playoffs each year and lose in the second round?

Bledsoe and Jordan are GREAT young pieces. Celtics are entering a rebuilding period either now or in 2 years. You can either jump-start that process with this trade or wait and go through a longer rebuilding process which is utter hell.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: xmuscularghandix on February 16, 2013, 02:19:13 AM
I'd rather trade Rondo for an all-star caliber guy who needs a new zip code.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: bucknersrevenge on February 16, 2013, 02:19:50 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--clippers--celtics-discussing-kevin-garnett-trade--055506411.html

"The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers have been discussing a deal to trade forward Kevin Garnett for guard Eric Bledsoe and center DeAndre Jordan, league sources told Yahoo! Sports."

My thoughts on this
1. Rarely do you hear a rumor reported for a while around the trade deadline actually come to fruition, but you never know.
2. Would trading KG mean that Pierce is out the door too?
3. With Rondo at the helm next year I would move Bledsoe for a big. Maybe play him the rest of the year to get his value up as a starter of a (potential) playoff team.
4. Can Jordan ever learn how to shoot free throws?
5. You wonder if KG's comments hinting at retirement make Ainge more likely to deal him.

1. You are very much correct.
2. Probably.
3. Bledsoe is heavily overrated/so is jordan. He could not start for a playoff team.
4. No. He has okay form but he has no control over how strongly he shoots the ball.
5. Im not sure he was hinting at retirement.

How does Chris Paul's backup get overrated? Who is in charge of overrating these players? And where are they posting this stuff because I never see it.

I'm not saying I want the deal to happen or think it's even likely. But the highest praise I've ever heard regarding Bledsoe is that he's a helluva backup PG. It would be interesting to see the kind of havoc Bledsoe and Bradley could create for teams in the backcourt though. I think they would be a naturally dangerous tandem for most teams in this league. If we wanted to blow it up, it's not the worst deal. Paul either gets moved or leaves after the season and you at least start a new era with this as your core:

pg- RR/Bledsoe
sg- AB/JET/Lee
sf- Green
pf- Sully
c - Jordan

In the East, that is most certainly NOT a lottery team. That team gets to the playoffs and you still can move assets from that bunch.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Galeto on February 16, 2013, 02:24:33 AM
Put sentimentality aside for a second. I love KG as much as anyone. But lets be honest, the Celtics aren't winning a title this year or next year.

KG is getting older and older and doesn't have much time left. DeAndre Jordan is a 24 year-old center rapidly improving and Eric Bledsoe is one of the most sought after PG prospects in the NBA at only 23 years-old. Bledsoe was terrific with the starting role while CP3 was injured.

If this trade happens it helps us get better and quickens the rebuilding process.

What are we rebuilding to is the question, who are those group of guys beating that the team we have can't? Who? If the team we have (add a couple players who are solid) can't beat anyone, I don't see DJ,RR, AB, PF, and Green doing it... especially since we wont be able to afford anyone else after everyone gets paid.


Look at the talent the Clips have, they think they'd have a better shot at winning the title WITH KG than both of the guys we would be getting. So if the Clips don't think they can win WITH Jordan and Bledsoe with all the talent they have, what are we winning with them plus RR, JG, AB, and Bass?? PLEASE NO!! Get us a few minor pieces and let's roll with the guys we have, they have a better shot at winning now than the team we will be putting out with DJ and Bledsoe in probably 10 seasons!

Yes the Clippers have a better shot at a title with KG because he can create spacing an open up lanes for Blake Griffin. The truth of the matter is that this team will not win any titles as presently constructed. Do you want to turn into the Hawks where we make the playoffs each year and lose in the second round?

Bledsoe and Jordan are GREAT young pieces. Celtics are entering a rebuilding period either now or in 2 years. You can either jump-start that process with this trade or wait and go through a longer rebuilding process which is utter hell.

Why are referring to the Atlanta Hawks?  So if KG is not dealt, the Celtics will make the playoffs the next five years and bounce out quickly?  Both KG and Pierce will be gone in the next two years or sooner.  They have no danger of being a perpetually mediocre team. 

Building around Bledsoe and Jordan gives the Celtics a better shot of becoming the next Atlanta Hawks than vice versa.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Who on February 16, 2013, 02:29:25 AM
My main interest in E.Bledsoe and D.Jordan would be as trade assets.

To move them on in subsequent deals for picks or prospects who better fit Boston's rebuilding process than E.Bledsoe (R.Rondo, A.Bradley) or D.Jordan (limited offense, highly paid) do.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 16, 2013, 02:30:01 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--clippers--celtics-discussing-kevin-garnett-trade--055506411.html

"The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers have been discussing a deal to trade forward Kevin Garnett for guard Eric Bledsoe and center DeAndre Jordan, league sources told Yahoo! Sports."

My thoughts on this
1. Rarely do you hear a rumor reported for a while around the trade deadline actually come to fruition, but you never know.
2. Would trading KG mean that Pierce is out the door too?
3. With Rondo at the helm next year I would move Bledsoe for a big. Maybe play him the rest of the year to get his value up as a starter of a (potential) playoff team.
4. Can Jordan ever learn how to shoot free throws?
5. You wonder if KG's comments hinting at retirement make Ainge more likely to deal him.

1. You are very much correct.
2. Probably.
3. Bledsoe is heavily overrated/so is jordan. He could not start for a playoff team.
4. No. He has okay form but he has no control over how strongly he shoots the ball.
5. Im not sure he was hinting at retirement.

How does Chris Paul's backup get overrated? Who is in charge of overrating these players? And where are they posting this stuff because I never see it.

I'm not saying I want the deal to happen or think it's even likely. But the highest praise I've ever heard regarding Bledsoe is that he's a helluva backup PG. It would be interesting to see the kind of havoc Bledsoe and Bradley could create for teams in the backcourt though. I think they would be a naturally dangerous tandem for most teams in this league. If we wanted to blow it up, it's not the worst deal. Paul either gets moved or leaves after the season and you at least start a new era with this as your core:

pg- RR/Bledsoe
sg- AB/JET/Lee
sf- Green
pf- Sully
c - Jordan

In the East, that is most certainly NOT a lottery team. That team gets to the playoffs and you still can move assets from that bunch.

Maybe not a lottery team, but definitely not winning a playoff series.

DA would have to flip several assets for a star. Still don't like Rondo as the best player for a franchise. Too poor a scorer and defender. I'd honestly trade everyone you named except Lee and Green (maybe I'd add Sully to that list). They are players you need on a winning team. Versatile and two-way players.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 16, 2013, 02:36:52 AM
This makes me feel icky.  KG needs to retire here
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 16, 2013, 02:42:23 AM
As much as I love KG and would like to see him retire a Celtics, YOU ABSOLUTELY DO THIS.
It's time to move on from the past... the 08 championship days are OVER... get it.. OVER

Acquire as much young talent as you can and get KG's contract off the books. I would also try to move Pierce for a good younger player.

You ride out the rest of this season, and then this summer you make a bang...

I think this summer would be a great time to trade Bledsoe, Jordan, and our 2013 1st for Demarcus Cousins. Then with KG and Pierce's money off the books along with Bledsoe and Jordan, you can now sign Josh Smith as a free agent... we all know he wants to come here.

So now instead of having a team with aging stars, you have a young/ athletic/ exciting bunch. You have a NEW ERA of Celtics basketball...

RONDO
BRADLEY
GREEN
SMITH
COUSINS

That's the most athletic starting 5 in the NBA

Again, fun to watch but I don't see them getting past the second round ever! Don't do it!

How so? That starting 5 could definitely stand toe to toe with Miami...

Bradley can shut Wade down, Rondo can shut down Chalmers, and Green handled LBJ pretty well in that last match up. Having Demarcus and Jsmoove in the paint would clog it up. Offensively Rondo could run with all 4 of those other guys and give Miami a dose of their own medicine

LOL no sir... you underestimate what KG does for our defense! That team can't beat Mia! Which one of those players are you giving the ball to that's going to go toe to toe with LeBroid in the playoffs? All the running that team could do in the reg season will be mighty fun to watch but when the playoffs come, which of them do you trust to continue to do damage in a halfcourt game (RR and who... MAYBE smith)? Who is gonna get you offense when the going get's tough?

Let's look at the matchup with the cHeat:

RR can probably hold Chalmers down, he'd probably win that matchup most nights fairly easily (assuming he is his old self after the injury).

AB on Wade... no doubt he can slow Wade but in the playoffs he is a whole nother animal, so even if AB can hold him to 25pts per game... what will AB get on Wade who is a great defender in his own right? 10pts per? Yes, I know Wade is getting slower and not as good by the seasons... but this Wade is better than anyone we have going against him any day of the week (including my boo AB)!!

Green vs. LeBroid... while I think Green would slow him slightly in a game or 2 LeBron would probably average 30 a game on him... anyone can have a good night against Lebron, how much are you stopping him to win 4 of 7? I love G8 but he is nothing in comparison to Lebroid (especially with the monkey off his back now)!

JSmoove vs. Battier/Haslem or whoever Mia can roundup in a season or 2. LOL I'd call that a draw b/c Battier could contain him very well and then all the open 3s Battier is going to get (that he, Bosh, Chalmers, and Miller rained on us last season) will only further nullify what JS gives us!

Bosh vs. Cousins... now I hate Bosh's face too but I'm giving him that matchup everyday and twice on Sunday b/c Cousins will be pulled out of the paint (even if he's put on Battier on defense he'll be out of the paint)... Cousins can't tie KG's shoe on defense much less be any threat to Bosh who has come into his own. As garbage as Bosh is, he's no slouch as a defender, despite his soft name tag.

We lose most every matchup or have a draw except w/ RR. You think that team can beat Mia but OKC couldn't??? LOL no sir!!

We aren't talking the highlight factory that would probably be the regular season. We are talking about winning championships... that team won't be doing that!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: btabakin on February 16, 2013, 02:44:34 AM
Put sentimentality aside for a second. I love KG as much as anyone. But lets be honest, the Celtics aren't winning a title this year or next year.

KG is getting older and older and doesn't have much time left. DeAndre Jordan is a 24 year-old center rapidly improving and Eric Bledsoe is one of the most sought after PG prospects in the NBA at only 23 years-old. Bledsoe was terrific with the starting role while CP3 was injured.

If this trade happens it helps us get better and quickens the rebuilding process.

What are we rebuilding to is the question, who are those group of guys beating that the team we have can't? Who? If the team we have (add a couple players who are solid) can't beat anyone, I don't see DJ,RR, AB, PF, and Green doing it... especially since we wont be able to afford anyone else after everyone gets paid.


Look at the talent the Clips have, they think they'd have a better shot at winning the title WITH KG than both of the guys we would be getting. So if the Clips don't think they can win WITH Jordan and Bledsoe with all the talent they have, what are we winning with them plus RR, JG, AB, and Bass?? PLEASE NO!! Get us a few minor pieces and let's roll with the guys we have, they have a better shot at winning now than the team we will be putting out with DJ and Bledsoe in probably 10 seasons!

Yes the Clippers have a better shot at a title with KG because he can create spacing an open up lanes for Blake Griffin. The truth of the matter is that this team will not win any titles as presently constructed. Do you want to turn into the Hawks where we make the playoffs each year and lose in the second round?

Bledsoe and Jordan are GREAT young pieces. Celtics are entering a rebuilding period either now or in 2 years. You can either jump-start that process with this trade or wait and go through a longer rebuilding process which is utter hell.

Why are referring to the Atlanta Hawks?  So if KG is not dealt, the Celtics will make the playoffs the next five years and bounce out quickly?  Both KG and Pierce will be gone in the next two years or sooner.  They have no danger of being a perpetually mediocre team. 

Building around Bledsoe and Jordan gives the Celtics a better shot of becoming the next Atlanta Hawks than vice versa.

It's all about assets. Are Bledsoe and Jordan going to win you a title? Obviously not. To win a title you need superstars. With Bledsoe, Jordan, Bradley, Sully and if we traded Pierce (a whole different discussion) we'd probably get young assets back as well.

These assets can be flipped for star players. Are cap situation right now is HORRIBLE. We are not able to sign any superstar free agents. Even if KG retires and Paul Pierce gets cut, we'd only have about 6mil in cap room to sign people.

Building assets is the way to win a title in this new NBA. That's how we got KG and Ray Allen in the first place.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: chambers on February 16, 2013, 02:45:03 AM
My main interest in E.Bledsoe and D.Jordan would be as trade assets.

To move them on in subsequent deals for picks or prospects who better fit Boston's rebuilding process than E.Bledsoe (R.Rondo, A.Bradley) or D.Jordan (limited offense, highly paid) do.

I agree.
The best part about this is going after free agents with guys like D Jordan and Bledsloe.
Acquire as many assets you can now that Rondo is out and let him come back from his injury slowly.
Before you know it, we have a trade chip list of:

Bledsloe
Jordan
Sullinger
Bradley
Green

PLUS
draft picks and Fab Melo.

We could get Cousins and another huge free agent to pair with Rondo, potentially creating another big 3 with these trade chips.

I pull the trigger 100% and hope Jordan can learn to shoot free throws. If he can't, plenty of teams will give up a lottery pick for Jordan and probably Bledsloe.
Who knows, Lebron will be a free agent in 2 years...Cousins will be too (I think?), and some other big names.

I love KG but the reality of us winning this year is 1 out of 10 and next year Pierce and KG have next to zero trade value.
Get some assets, turn them into another 2 franchise type players to pair with Rondo and Jeff Green.
We'll have an absolute haul of trade chips if we could do this.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Kiorrik on February 16, 2013, 02:48:04 AM
I see the logic, and I hates it. Hope nothing comes to pass
Can I just say that this post oozes LotR?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 16, 2013, 02:57:31 AM
Put sentimentality aside for a second. I love KG as much as anyone. But lets be honest, the Celtics aren't winning a title this year or next year.

KG is getting older and older and doesn't have much time left. DeAndre Jordan is a 24 year-old center rapidly improving and Eric Bledsoe is one of the most sought after PG prospects in the NBA at only 23 years-old. Bledsoe was terrific with the starting role while CP3 was injured.

If this trade happens it helps us get better and quickens the rebuilding process.

What are we rebuilding to is the question, who are those group of guys beating that the team we have can't? Who? If the team we have (add a couple players who are solid) can't beat anyone, I don't see DJ,RR, AB, PF, and Green doing it... especially since we wont be able to afford anyone else after everyone gets paid.


Look at the talent the Clips have, they think they'd have a better shot at winning the title WITH KG than both of the guys we would be getting. So if the Clips don't think they can win WITH Jordan and Bledsoe with all the talent they have, what are we winning with them plus RR, JG, AB, and Bass?? PLEASE NO!! Get us a few minor pieces and let's roll with the guys we have, they have a better shot at winning now than the team we will be putting out with DJ and Bledsoe in probably 10 seasons!

Yes the Clippers have a better shot at a title with KG because he can create spacing an open up lanes for Blake Griffin. The truth of the matter is that this team will not win any titles as presently constructed. Do you want to turn into the Hawks where we make the playoffs each year and lose in the second round?

Bledsoe and Jordan are GREAT young pieces. Celtics are entering a rebuilding period either now or in 2 years. You can either jump-start that process with this trade or wait and go through a longer rebuilding process which is utter hell.

Why are referring to the Atlanta Hawks?  So if KG is not dealt, the Celtics will make the playoffs the next five years and bounce out quickly?  Both KG and Pierce will be gone in the next two years or sooner.  They have no danger of being a perpetually mediocre team. 

Building around Bledsoe and Jordan gives the Celtics a better shot of becoming the next Atlanta Hawks than vice versa.

It's all about assets. Are Bledsoe and Jordan going to win you a title? Obviously not. To win a title you need superstars. With Bledsoe, Jordan, Bradley, Sully and if we traded Pierce (a whole different discussion) we'd probably get young assets back as well.

These assets can be flipped for star players. Are cap situation right now is HORRIBLE. We are not able to sign any superstar free agents. Even if KG retires and Paul Pierce gets cut, we'd only have about 6mil in cap room to sign people.

Building assets is the way to win a title in this new NBA. That's how we got KG and Ray Allen in the first place.

Look at how long it took to acquire players like Ray and KG... how much were they winning for many years before that?

We have a better shot at winning the chip in the next 3 seasons of KG and PP and a couple tweeks than we'd have starting from scratch in probably 10 seasons.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: btabakin on February 16, 2013, 03:00:10 AM
Put sentimentality aside for a second. I love KG as much as anyone. But lets be honest, the Celtics aren't winning a title this year or next year.

KG is getting older and older and doesn't have much time left. DeAndre Jordan is a 24 year-old center rapidly improving and Eric Bledsoe is one of the most sought after PG prospects in the NBA at only 23 years-old. Bledsoe was terrific with the starting role while CP3 was injured.

If this trade happens it helps us get better and quickens the rebuilding process.

What are we rebuilding to is the question, who are those group of guys beating that the team we have can't? Who? If the team we have (add a couple players who are solid) can't beat anyone, I don't see DJ,RR, AB, PF, and Green doing it... especially since we wont be able to afford anyone else after everyone gets paid.


Look at the talent the Clips have, they think they'd have a better shot at winning the title WITH KG than both of the guys we would be getting. So if the Clips don't think they can win WITH Jordan and Bledsoe with all the talent they have, what are we winning with them plus RR, JG, AB, and Bass?? PLEASE NO!! Get us a few minor pieces and let's roll with the guys we have, they have a better shot at winning now than the team we will be putting out with DJ and Bledsoe in probably 10 seasons!

Yes the Clippers have a better shot at a title with KG because he can create spacing an open up lanes for Blake Griffin. The truth of the matter is that this team will not win any titles as presently constructed. Do you want to turn into the Hawks where we make the playoffs each year and lose in the second round?

Bledsoe and Jordan are GREAT young pieces. Celtics are entering a rebuilding period either now or in 2 years. You can either jump-start that process with this trade or wait and go through a longer rebuilding process which is utter hell.

Why are referring to the Atlanta Hawks?  So if KG is not dealt, the Celtics will make the playoffs the next five years and bounce out quickly?  Both KG and Pierce will be gone in the next two years or sooner.  They have no danger of being a perpetually mediocre team. 

Building around Bledsoe and Jordan gives the Celtics a better shot of becoming the next Atlanta Hawks than vice versa.

It's all about assets. Are Bledsoe and Jordan going to win you a title? Obviously not. To win a title you need superstars. With Bledsoe, Jordan, Bradley, Sully and if we traded Pierce (a whole different discussion) we'd probably get young assets back as well.

These assets can be flipped for star players. Are cap situation right now is HORRIBLE. We are not able to sign any superstar free agents. Even if KG retires and Paul Pierce gets cut, we'd only have about 6mil in cap room to sign people.

Building assets is the way to win a title in this new NBA. That's how we got KG and Ray Allen in the first place.

Look at how long it took to acquire players like Ray and KG... how much were they winning for many years before that?

We have a better shot at winning the chip in the next 3 seasons of KG and PP and a couple tweeks than we'd have starting from scratch in probably 10 seasons.

We have zero chance of winning a title with this team in the next two seasons of KG and PP. Doing this trade gives us assets and jumpstarts the process.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on February 16, 2013, 03:01:01 AM
I see the logic, and I hates it. Hope nothing comes to pass
Can I just say that this post oozes LotR?

Gollum! GOLLUM!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 16, 2013, 03:01:01 AM
Building a championship takes years and years (unless you do some back door type of stuff like Mia's little 3)... any team we'd have a chance to build any time soon won't do much better (probably worse) than the team we have now, for seasons on end!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: btabakin on February 16, 2013, 03:06:07 AM
Building a championship takes years and years (unless you do some back door type of stuff like Mia's little 3)... any team we'd have a chance to build any time soon won't do much better (probably worse) than the team we have now, for seasons on end!

The ultimate goal is to win a title. This current team cannot win a title. Thus we need to build a new team with assets.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: southshorematt on February 16, 2013, 03:10:15 AM
As much as I love KG and would like to see him retire a Celtics, YOU ABSOLUTELY DO THIS.
It's time to move on from the past... the 08 championship days are OVER... get it.. OVER

Acquire as much young talent as you can and get KG's contract off the books. I would also try to move Pierce for a good younger player.

You ride out the rest of this season, and then this summer you make a bang...

I think this summer would be a great time to trade Bledsoe, Jordan, and our 2013 1st for Demarcus Cousins. Then with KG and Pierce's money off the books along with Bledsoe and Jordan, you can now sign Josh Smith as a free agent... we all know he wants to come here.

So now instead of having a team with aging stars, you have a young/ athletic/ exciting bunch. You have a NEW ERA of Celtics basketball...

RONDO
BRADLEY
GREEN
SMITH
COUSINS

That's the most athletic starting 5 in the NBA

Again, fun to watch but I don't see them getting past the second round ever! Don't do it!

How so? That starting 5 could definitely stand toe to toe with Miami...

Bradley can shut Wade down, Rondo can shut down Chalmers, and Green handled LBJ pretty well in that last match up. Having Demarcus and Jsmoove in the paint would clog it up. Offensively Rondo could run with all 4 of those other guys and give Miami a dose of their own medicine

LOL no sir... you underestimate what KG does for our defense! That team can't beat Mia! Which one of those players are you giving the ball to that's going to go toe to toe with LeBroid in the playoffs? All the running that team could do in the reg season will be mighty fun to watch but when the playoffs come, which of them do you trust to continue to do damage in a halfcourt game (RR and who... MAYBE smith)? Who is gonna get you offense when the going get's tough?

Let's look at the matchup with the cHeat:

RR can probably hold Chalmers down, he'd probably win that matchup most nights fairly easily (assuming he is his old self after the injury).

AB on Wade... no doubt he can slow Wade but in the playoffs he is a whole nother animal, so even if AB can hold him to 25pts per game... what will AB get on Wade who is a great defender in his own right? 10pts per? Yes, I know Wade is getting slower and not as good by the seasons... but this Wade is better than anyone we have going against him any day of the week (including my boo AB)!!

Green vs. LeBroid... while I think Green would slow him slightly in a game or 2 LeBron would probably average 30 a game on him... anyone can have a good night against Lebron, how much are you stopping him to win 4 of 7? I love G8 but he is nothing in comparison to Lebroid (especially with the monkey off his back now)!

JSmoove vs. Battier/Haslem or whoever Mia can roundup in a season or 2. LOL I'd call that a draw b/c Battier could contain him very well and then all the open 3s Battier is going to get (that he, Bosh, Chalmers, and Miller rained on us last season) will only further nullify what JS gives us!

Bosh vs. Cousins... now I hate Bosh's face too but I'm giving him that matchup everyday and twice on Sunday b/c Cousins will be pulled out of the paint (even if he's put on Battier on defense he'll be out of the paint)... Cousins can't tie KG's shoe on defense much less be any threat to Bosh who has come into his own. As garbage as Bosh is, he's no slouch as a defender, despite his soft name tag.

We lose most every matchup or have a draw except w/ RR. You think that team can beat Mia but OKC couldn't??? LOL no sir!!

We aren't talking the highlight factory that would probably be the regular season. We are talking about winning championships... that team won't be doing that!

TP for your breakdown! I'd still rather watch my starting 5 play Miami in the playoffs than the starting 5 we're gonna trot out there if we keep Pierce and KG for this year + 2 more.

I think I'm just over this era. I want to move on. I want to be young and exciting. I don't know what that feels like regarding the Celtics
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: crimson_stallion on February 16, 2013, 03:17:12 AM
I hate Howard, but I'd rather trade Rondo for Howard than do this deal.

If KG chooses to retire then I'd rather give him the chance to do that on his terms.  I don't want to see him traded away (even though I know he has to agree) because that's a nice way of the team saying "we don't need you anymore", and after all KG has done for the Celtics (single handedly changing the culture here) I'd hate to see him go out feeling unwanted as an end to his illustrious career.

I'd rather see him retire, then we can use that cap space to sign a quality player in the offseason.

Rondo is still young and can still build a heritage elsewhere, but if KG is traded out purely for trade chips then that to me is like a black mark on his career, and a borderline insult to a man who has completely transformed this franchise.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Tradetime on February 16, 2013, 03:17:39 AM
Vinny Del Negro wants KG, willing to give Bledsoe/Jordan for him. Clips front office totally against the move. Front office has final say.

 Chris Broussard

Broussard is the biggest clown in the NBA. His sources suck and his reporting is pathetic.

What concerns me is this quote from an article by Sam Amico of Fox Sports:

"Sources speculated if Garnett were to agree to a trade, the Celtics would then aggressively attempt to move Pierce before Thursday’s trading deadline."

Who are these sources, and if they are even halfway correct, we'd better get at least another draft pick in this year's draft for either one.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 16, 2013, 03:29:46 AM
Building a championship takes years and years (unless you do some back door type of stuff like Mia's little 3)... any team we'd have a chance to build any time soon won't do much better (probably worse) than the team we have now, for seasons on end!

The ultimate goal is to win a title. This current team cannot win a title. Thus we need to build a new team with assets.

You don't know that and even if it's true, again I ask, what team are we building that's even going to have a chance in the next 10 seasons?

I'd rather watch KG and PP lose in the second round than a team of youngins not make the playoffs for the next 10 seasons.

I'm starting to think that you guys think we will turn around and have a contender in the next 5 seasons when we trade off PP and KG. Yes, magic happens once in a blue moon but it's going to be a long process. Let's put that process off for a least 2 more seasons b/c who knows what PP and KG and a few other pieces can do... KG and PP have been there done that and are still stars and some of the best, you need a FEW of those to even contend.

Let me just be real, I already cheer for the Bucs, watch every game and trick myself (every season) into believe they can win, year after year we STINK (I'll cheer and believe no matter what). Sure, it's exciting to get new/young players every season so you can say, if only these young guys develop together we could be very good one days... it gets old quick! Give me the Pats seasons (but it be the Bucs) where they actually win games but lose deep intp the playoffs (I mean take away Superbowl wins)... that is 100 times more fun to watch than new players every season (very good players) but we always miss the playoffs! I'd rather be actually fooled that we have a chance than have to convince myself of that even though we have NO chance! A team that makes the playoffs (and every round further) has a chance at the chip, those that miss it have NONE!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: btabakin on February 16, 2013, 03:36:06 AM
Building a championship takes years and years (unless you do some back door type of stuff like Mia's little 3)... any team we'd have a chance to build any time soon won't do much better (probably worse) than the team we have now, for seasons on end!

The ultimate goal is to win a title. This current team cannot win a title. Thus we need to build a new team with assets.

You don't know that and even if it's true, again I ask, what team are we building that's even going to have a chance in the next 10 seasons?

I'd rather watch KG and PP lose in the second round than a team of youngins not make the playoffs for the next 10 seasons.

I'm starting to think that you guys think we will turn around and have a contender in the next 5 seasons when we trade off PP and KG. Yes, magic happens once in a blue moon but it's going to be a long process. Let's put that process off for a least 2 more seasons b/c who knows what PP and KG and a few other pieces can do... KG and PP have been there done that and are still stars and some of the best, you need a FEW of those to even contend.

This team has no way to beat Miami let alone win a title.

1. Lebron is unguardable now. He can play any position and creates a mismatch across the entire court.
2. Without Rondo are greatest strength against the Heat is gone.
3. Pierce can barely score now. How is he going to score efficiently when hes guarding Lebron for 30+ minutes per game.
4. We can't double Lebron anymore since he now has Ray Allen sitting in the corner waiting to drain a 3.

There is no way we can beat the Heat let alone the Thunder or the Spurs in a seven-game series.

As others have said, this team has gotten boring and is not fun to watch. And yes, I do think we could have a contender in 5 seasons. Sooner or later we will have to enter the rebuilding process. I'd rather start it now and get back valuable assets in Jordan and Bledsoe than wait an extra 2 years for no reason and have the rebuilding period be longer.

With the new CBA super-teams like Miami won't exist in 2 years. This will level the playing field.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: snively on February 16, 2013, 03:37:41 AM
My main interest in E.Bledsoe and D.Jordan would be as trade assets.

To move them on in subsequent deals for picks or prospects who better fit Boston's rebuilding process than E.Bledsoe (R.Rondo, A.Bradley) or D.Jordan (limited offense, highly paid) do.

I concur, but I don't think Jordan's contract bothers Ainge much.  We started out our last rebuild adding Raef's contract.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: SparzWizard on February 16, 2013, 03:38:57 AM
As much as I love KG and would like to see him retire a Celtic, YOU ABSOLUTELY DO THIS.
It's time to move on from the past... the 08 championship days are OVER... get it.. OVER

Acquire as much young talent as you can and get KG's contract off the books. I would also try to move Pierce for a good younger player.

You ride out the rest of this season, and then this summer you make a bang...

I think this summer would be a great time to trade Bledsoe, Jordan, and our 2013 1st for Demarcus Cousins. Then with KG and Pierce's money off the books along with Bledsoe and Jordan, you can now sign Josh Smith as a free agent... we all know he wants to come here.

So now instead of having a team with aging stars, you have a young/ athletic/ exciting bunch. You have a NEW ERA of Celtics basketball...

RONDO
BRADLEY
GREEN
SMITH
COUSINS

That's the most athletic starting 5 in the NBA

Get back Perkins and you have the "Superfriend Rondo Team" in Celtics jersey. Hahahah!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ACF on February 16, 2013, 03:43:05 AM
This team has no way to beat Miami let alone win a title.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201301270BOS.html
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: snively on February 16, 2013, 03:43:41 AM
I hate Howard, but I'd rather trade Rondo for Howard than do this deal.

If KG chooses to retire then I'd rather give him the chance to do that on his terms.  I don't want to see him traded away (even though I know he has to agree) because that's a nice way of the team saying "we don't need you anymore", and after all KG has done for the Celtics (single handedly changing the culture here) I'd hate to see him go out feeling unwanted as an end to his illustrious career.

I'd rather see him retire, then we can use that cap space to sign a quality player in the offseason.

Rondo is still young and can still build a heritage elsewhere, but if KG is traded out purely for trade chips then that to me is like a black mark on his career, and a borderline insult to a man who has completely transformed this franchise.

This is silly.  He has a no trade clause. 

And if he leaves, it won't be a black mark or an insult, it'll be him choosing to go play for a bonafide contender as a 3rd/4th option with his very close friend Billups, (the guy who talked him into leaving Minny in the first place, IIRC) all while moving close to home.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: btabakin on February 16, 2013, 03:49:26 AM
This team has no way to beat Miami let alone win a title.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201301270BOS.html

Go watch the Miami game against the Thunder from Thursday. That team didn't show up in Boston. We struggled to beat Miami in a meaningless regular season game that they didn't even care about. We can maybe beat them in the regular season if we're lucky. We can't beat them in a seven game series.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 16, 2013, 04:11:42 AM
Building a championship takes years and years (unless you do some back door type of stuff like Mia's little 3)... any team we'd have a chance to build any time soon won't do much better (probably worse) than the team we have now, for seasons on end!

The ultimate goal is to win a title. This current team cannot win a title. Thus we need to build a new team with assets.

You don't know that and even if it's true, again I ask, what team are we building that's even going to have a chance in the next 10 seasons?

I'd rather watch KG and PP lose in the second round than a team of youngins not make the playoffs for the next 10 seasons.

I'm starting to think that you guys think we will turn around and have a contender in the next 5 seasons when we trade off PP and KG. Yes, magic happens once in a blue moon but it's going to be a long process. Let's put that process off for a least 2 more seasons b/c who knows what PP and KG and a few other pieces can do... KG and PP have been there done that and are still stars and some of the best, you need a FEW of those to even contend.

This team has no way to beat Miami let alone win a title.

1. Lebron is unguardable now. He can play any position and creates a mismatch across the entire court.
2. Without Rondo are greatest strength against the Heat is gone.
3. Pierce can barely score now. How is he going to score efficiently when hes guarding Lebron for 30+ minutes per game.
4. We can't double Lebron anymore since he now has Ray Allen sitting in the corner waiting to drain a 3.

There is no way we can beat the Heat let alone the Thunder or the Spurs in a seven-game series.

As others have said, this team has gotten boring and is not fun to watch. And yes, I do think we could have a contender in 5 seasons. Sooner or later we will have to enter the rebuilding process. I'd rather start it now and get back valuable assets in Jordan and Bledsoe than wait an extra 2 years for no reason and have the rebuilding period be longer.

With the new CBA super-teams like Miami won't exist in 2 years. This will level the playing field.

1) Yea, when is that going to change? No matter who we bring in that's going to be true for years to come!

2) We don't know how RR is going to come back after this injury so who knows what he will bring in the future (I think he will be just fine but I'm no doctor nor am I RR)... there is a possibility that we'll never have this RR again.

3) You're talking about an injured PP (pinched nerve in his neck) who still can go off at any time. When he didn't have the pinched nerve earlier this season he was pretty much the same old PP! He has also been better now that he is healing!

PP's stats last season:

19pts, 5rbs, 4ast, and a steal

PP's stats this season:

19pts, 6rbs, 4ast, and a steal (if he hit his fts the same as last season he'd be averaging more points than last season (85% last season-79% currently) and probably be getting 21pts per game like his career avg (but I'm bad at math, so, who knows lol).

The difference is he is shooting slightly worse (his fts are not good this season for sure). My point, you are flat wrong in how PP is performing this season. To further prove my point.

PP's championship year stats:

20pts, 5rbs, 4ast, and a steal

Career stats:

21pts, 6rbs, 4ast, and a steal


4) LOL, we couldn't double Lebroid last season (year b4 that for that matter) and he didn't have Ray! Ray isn't even their best 3 shooter this season anyway. Who even knows how Ray will be playing when the playoffs roll around anyway, I mean he was great for us last season against the cHeat, oh wait. He is also playing bad for them right now... yea, he's still a threat for the big shots/bomb 3s but as we saw last season, any of their 3pt shooters (which is basically their entire team) can hit those too!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 16, 2013, 04:23:24 AM
Please say NO to this trade KG!

DeAndre Jordan and Bledsoe is not equal value to what KG bring to the basketball court. Yes they are athletic and young but I don't see them being more than that. Jordan is also owed a ton of money for just being a defensive/rebounding specialist. Bledsoe will need to get paid as well.

NO KG!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: cltc5 on February 16, 2013, 04:36:01 AM
Ainge needs to get KG and Pierce help and get in Doc's ear about how many minutes he's playing these guys.  Why is it that Doc rivers seems to be at the center of issues all the time this year. >:(
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: jdz101 on February 16, 2013, 06:15:06 AM
If this era ends with Kevin Garnett, one of the all time greats, being traded for a mug like deandre jordan, I will be pretty disenchanted with this organization for a fair while.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CroCorvus on February 16, 2013, 07:31:28 AM
I guess that Danny tried to deal Bass but he could't get anything near as good in return, so now he turns to big names. Maybe by the end of trade dead line, we gonna be looking at the whole new Celtics team. If the KG to Clips trade goes down, then the Captain is also out, and maybe Rondo.
I love KG and Pierce with all my heart and i would love to watch them for one more ride...but you have to put yourself in Dannys position and do your job. I'm sure that nobodys rooting for total rebuild, from owners to Danny to Doc. So, if they want to make a good to great team, now is the perfect time to trade those two because they still play great and you can get something in return. You don't know how well they gonna play next year (if they play at all). So if you wanna get something in return and start something new with different players, good players, then yes, i'm down with it. This year is busted, lbj's gonna win it all (i'm sorry to say that but he's gonna carry that team to olimp this year). To turn to future.
Let's say we don't trade no one and get two or three solid players via free agency. We get to playoffs and in the first round we matchup with Knicks. Let's say that we beat those NY divas with at best 4:2, probably 4:3, and in the next round we meet miami. We can give them a good fight and maybe even a series but with all due respect to our guys, i think without Rondo we can't beat them, no way.
So then what have we got next season: we got Rondo coming of the hard injury not knowing is he ready 60 or 110%, we got KG who's mulling retirement in his goatee, do we wan't to pick up an option on Pierce and of course there's that center and backup pg position issue...In that situation, Danny would be more at the crossroads than now, because KG and PP would be one year older (i can't imagine rumors like lac giving us bledsoe and jordan for kg one year from now), we could not win and maybe would get in the playoffs, maybe.
In that case that would mean total rebuilding, because KG would not want to go that down into mediocrity and maybe he would retire, PP would ask for a trade to contender and all of a sudden you would have a garage sale for nothing. That would mean next 5 years of Raptors coming into garden and kick our asses.
One more time, i love our team but think for the future and let's win it next year or year after that.

PS: sorry for my english
     
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 16, 2013, 07:33:57 AM
Seems more like the some in the Clippers organization really want to add KG than Ainge's willingness to trade KG, and is doing his usual by listening. But KG isn't going anywhere this season, I guarantee it.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: clover on February 16, 2013, 07:41:02 AM
If this era ends with Kevin Garnett, one of the all time greats, being traded for a mug like deandre jordan, I will be pretty disenchanted with this organization for a fair while.

The main deal would be a near-retiring KG for the C's next starting PG.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: jdz101 on February 16, 2013, 08:08:23 AM
If this era ends with Kevin Garnett, one of the all time greats, being traded for a mug like deandre jordan, I will be pretty disenchanted with this organization for a fair while.

The main deal would be a near-retiring KG for the C's next starting PG.

Starting point guard? You mean Bledsoe?

He's not a starting point guard. The clippers offense was shocking with him running it.

I guess we'll go straight to tanking for picks then.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 16, 2013, 08:12:24 AM
I apologize for the double post.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 16, 2013, 08:13:03 AM
If this era ends with Kevin Garnett, one of the all time greats, being traded for a mug like deandre jordan, I will be pretty disenchanted with this organization for a fair while.

The main deal would be a near-retiring KG for the C's next starting PG.

Uhh, I'm pretty sure we have a starting PG. He's more accomplished, and gives up better production than Bledsoe, on a very cheap contract too if you look at his productions. He'll be healthy come next season. We don't need another starting PG.

We certainly don't need an expensive big man who while athletic can offer no more than just rebounds, block shots and spectacular dunks in exchange for our defensive and overall leader of the team.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: scaryjerry on February 16, 2013, 08:15:25 AM
Uhh I wouldn't be a fan of this trade, those players would never live up to being traded for the culture changer that is Kevin Garnett sorry but we'd be back to 20 years of mediocrity....give us Blake Griffin or kick rocks...in other words no
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Brendan on February 16, 2013, 08:20:36 AM
So combine all the trade rumors together:

KG to clippers for De. Jordand & Bledsoe
Green & Bass for Josh Smith
Rondo for Dwight Howard

Pierce for ... ?

New team:

Howard / Jordan
Smith / Jordan
...
Lee / Terry
Bradley / Bledsoe

lol.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: scaryjerry on February 16, 2013, 08:20:51 AM
If this era ends with Kevin Garnett, one of the all time greats, being traded for a mug like deandre jordan, I will be pretty disenchanted with this organization for a fair while.


Yep
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: OhioGreen on February 16, 2013, 08:21:22 AM
CroCor, good post, good points,TP!

Hey, we all knew this time was gonna come for DA and all of us fans, at some point! Danny is between a huge rock and a really hard place! He needs, really, two SOLID rotation players just to get thru the season---and sees no FA help(they'd already be here, if there was!), knows they're not coming from the D league, and obviously no one is offering anything great for BBass in a trade(can't really move anyone else with only 8 other healthy players!). He's got almost half a season yet to get thru and can absolutely not have anyone else go down with injury, or we're definitely finished! Then if we could manage to get to the playoffs healthy, having to beat 3 of the Heat,Bulls,Pacers, and Knicks, just to get a chance at the best in the West!  If you fall short, you're left with a year older KG and PP, a single draft pick this year and a very, very, tough road to rebuilding!
OR, if you move KG for Bledsoe and Jordan, you start out with:

23 yr old Bledsoe
22 yr old Bradley
26 yr old JGreen
21 yr old Sully
24 yr old DJordan

26 yr old CLee
22 yr old FMelo

and still haven't moved PP and or/RR for players and or picks!  That is a FAST rebuild with great potential, especially depending on what you could get for PP, and RR. Or keep PP and RR, perhaps, and still have a playoff team(though I wouldn't do that!).

Put yourselves in Danny's position, and not viewing it as a fan, and it's a no brainer!!!!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 08:21:32 AM
Good idea. Let's trade KG for a backup point guard and a below-average center.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 16, 2013, 08:23:10 AM
Good idea. Let's trade KG for a backup point guard and a below-average center.

My thoughts exactly.  TP.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: OhioGreen on February 16, 2013, 08:27:21 AM
Good idea. Let's trade KG for a backup point guard and a below-average center.

I'm sure there are Clips fans out there saying, "really, trade two important pieces of our future, who are good now and still developing, for a player who'll be out of the league in a year or two!".

Just depends on what side of the fence your looking from!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: scaryjerry on February 16, 2013, 08:30:13 AM
Good idea. Let's trade KG for a backup point guard and a below-average center.

I'm sure there are Clips fans out there saying, "really, trade two important pieces of our future, who are good now and still developing, for a player who'll be out of the league in a year or two!".

Just depends on what side of the fence your looking from!


If they're saying that....they're dumb.they should be willing to drive Bledsoe and Jordan to the airport. I'm sure clippers fans would be ok with a championship.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 16, 2013, 08:36:12 AM
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Good idea. Let's trade KG for a backup point guard and a below-average center.

I always the trade is not that good but if this move is made then we are in rebuild mode.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/deandre_jordan/

I think one can make a strong arguement he is a better player than Perk.   Didn't you lament the loss of Perk?   This guy is a better offense player and rebounds better and is a better athlete.  This guys is not that bad, better than Perk when he was healthy.  Otherwise your calling Perk a below average center?  Jordan would be a nice C next to Rondo because of the fact that he runs the floor and will go up and get it if you throw it up there.

If KG walks we get nothing has to be DA thought.   I would ask for a little more maybe a pick for us though.

Rondo will be retained on that team if they go this way.   I could see them signing Smith from ATL to play with Rondo and add Jordan and Sully and you have the makings of a nice front court perhaps and you have Green.  Bradley, Rondo and Bledsoe is an ok guard rotation but I would want a shooter to spread the floor.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 08:45:41 AM
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Good idea. Let's trade KG for a backup point guard and a below-average center.

I always the trade is not that good but if this move is made then we are in rebuild mode.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/deandre_jordan/

I think one can make a strong arguement he is a better player than Perk.   Didn't you lament the loss of Perk?   

Perk is a great finishing piece to a championship team, or a nice building block on a $4.5 million contract.  I think it would be ridiculous to make Perk a centerpiece of a rebuilding effort, though, and I certainly wouldn't have wanted a young, underdeveloped Perk on an $11 million per year contract.

I especially wouldn't have wanted a young, underdeveloped Perk on an $11 million per year contract if it was going to cost us KG (and by extension, Paul Pierce).
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: scaryjerry on February 16, 2013, 08:46:05 AM
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Good idea. Let's trade KG for a backup point guard and a below-average center.

I always the trade is not that good but if this move is made then we are in rebuild mode.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/deandre_jordan/

I think one can make a strong arguement he is a better player than Perk.   Didn't you lament the loss of Perk?   This guy is a better offense player and rebounds better and is a better athlete.  This guys is not that bad, better than Perk when he was healthy.  Otherwise your calling Perk a below average center?  Jordan would be a nice C next to Rondo because of the fact that he runs the floor and will go up and get it if you throw it up there.

If KG walks we get nothing has to be DA thought.   I would ask for a little more maybe a pick for us though.

Rondo will be retained on that team if they go this way.   I could see them signing Smith from ATL to play with Rondo and add Jordan and Sully and you have the makings of a nice front court perhaps and you have Green.  Bradley, Rondo and Bledsoe is an ok guard rotation but I would want a shooter to spread the floor.

Lol...No one laments the loss of perk if it netted us kg...it was lamented because the role players mean something when you have kg and are going for a title....Jordan next to kg? Exciting! Trading kg for Jordan? Epic fail
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: scaryjerry on February 16, 2013, 08:53:43 AM
CroCor, good post, good points,TP!

Hey, we all knew this time was gonna come for DA and all of us fans, at some point! Danny is between a huge rock and a really hard place! He needs, really, two SOLID rotation players just to get thru the season---and sees no FA help(they'd already be here, if there was!), knows they're not coming from the D league, and obviously no one is offering anything great for BBass in a trade(can't really move anyone else with only 8 other healthy players!). He's got almost half a season yet to get thru and can absolutely not have anyone else go down with injury, or we're definitely finished! Then if we could manage to get to the playoffs healthy, having to beat 3 of the Heat,Bulls,Pacers, and Knicks, just to get a chance at the best in the West!  If you fall short, you're left with a year older KG and PP, a single draft pick this year and a very, very, tough road to rebuilding!
OR, if you move KG for Bledsoe and Jordan, you start out with:

23 yr old Bledsoe
22 yr old Bradley
26 yr old JGreen
21 yr old Sully
24 yr old DJordan

26 yr old CLee
22 yr old FMelo

and still haven't moved PP and or/RR for players and or picks!  That is a FAST rebuild with great potential, especially depending on what you could get for PP, and RR. Or keep PP and RR, perhaps, and still have a playoff team(though I wouldn't do that!).

Put yourselves in Danny's position, and not viewing it as a fan, and it's a no brainer!!!!


That team stinks and doesn't sniff the playoffs..the culture would be long gone and you'd be buckled down for 20 years of nothing again! Yay! Why not enjoy kg?
But I'm starting to sense you were one of those that didn't want to trade big al for Kevin in the first place and enjoyed 2006
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: KeepBigAl on February 16, 2013, 08:57:33 AM
i think people are overrating bledsoe and jordan...they are in their 3rd and 5th years and neither one is a great player

they are good players and borderline starters, but they are not going to anchor our team by any stretch
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 16, 2013, 09:04:25 AM
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Perk is a great finishing piece to a championship team, or a nice building block on a $4.5 million contract.  I think it would be ridiculous to make Perk a centerpiece of a rebuilding effort, though, and I certainly wouldn't have wanted a young, underdeveloped Perk on an $11 million per year contract.

Can't argue with your logic.   But I still think he is a better player than Perk was, I think if we get him he is a movable asset.   I think he could protect the rim for us.  I think the rebuilding might go smoother with him than letting KG walk but then again sometimes you have to bottom out before you get better.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: clover on February 16, 2013, 09:17:25 AM
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Perk is a great finishing piece to a championship team, or a nice building block on a $4.5 million contract.  I think it would be ridiculous to make Perk a centerpiece of a rebuilding effort, though, and I certainly wouldn't have wanted a young, underdeveloped Perk on an $11 million per year contract.

Can't argue with your logic.   But I still think he is a better player than Perk was, I think if we get him he is a movable asset.   I think he could protect the rim for us.  I think the rebuilding might go smoother with him than letting KG walk but then again sometimes you have to bottom out before you get better.

I agree.  I think people are underestimating Jordan's value and worth, especially as a 24yo center who is ranked #16 in  the NBA in rebounds and #21 in blocks per 48 minutes and #2 in scoring %, at .599, in the NBA.  He also is #28 in FT attempts--just has to improve his % there!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 16, 2013, 09:18:21 AM
i think people are overrating bledsoe and jordan...they are in their 3rd and 5th years and neither one is a great player

they are good players and borderline starters, but they are not going to anchor our team by any stretch

Please have this TP.

You got it point for point right there. Excellent brief yet very insightful take.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: dreamgreen on February 16, 2013, 09:27:11 AM
This would be about building up assets IMO. If you could trade PP for J Smith after than:
Bledsoe
AB
Green
Smith
Jordan

Interesting team for this year. If we could turn Lee into Redick and add another shooter, could be fun.

But the off-season would be interesting. With Smith, and Rondo would that push Howard into coming here? can Bledsoe, Jordan and fillers turn into Howard?

So much depends on what you turn PP into and than what you do with Rondo or Bledsoe, we wouldn't know that most likely until the summer.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 16, 2013, 09:29:39 AM
This would be about building up assets IMO. If you could trade PP for J Smith after than:
Bledsoe
AB
Green
Smith
Jordan

Interesting team for this year. If we could turn Lee into Redick and add another shooter, could be fun.

But the off-season would be interesting. With Smith, and Rondo would that push Howard into coming here? can Bledsoe, Jordan and fillers turn into Howard?

So much depends on what you turn PP into and than what you do with Rondo or Bledsoe, we wouldn't know that most likely until the summer.

That's exactly it. The trade would be about building assets. Getting the most value you can get for KG and Pierce. It's not about building the team around Jordan and Bledsoe. It's about getting valuable players who then provide flexibility for future moves.

If they can turn Pierce into Harrison Barnes, that would be a steal. Arm both California teams other than the lakers!!! An added plus.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: OhioGreen on February 16, 2013, 09:33:24 AM
CroCor, good post, good points,TP!

Hey, we all knew this time was gonna come for DA and all of us fans, at some point! Danny is between a huge rock and a really hard place! He needs, really, two SOLID rotation players just to get thru the season---and sees no FA help(they'd already be here, if there was!), knows they're not coming from the D league, and obviously no one is offering anything great for BBass in a trade(can't really move anyone else with only 8 other healthy players!). He's got almost half a season yet to get thru and can absolutely not have anyone else go down with injury, or we're definitely finished! Then if we could manage to get to the playoffs healthy, having to beat 3 of the Heat,Bulls,Pacers, and Knicks, just to get a chance at the best in the West!  If you fall short, you're left with a year older KG and PP, a single draft pick this year and a very, very, tough road to rebuilding!
OR, if you move KG for Bledsoe and Jordan, you start out with:

23 yr old Bledsoe
22 yr old Bradley
26 yr old JGreen
21 yr old Sully
24 yr old DJordan

26 yr old CLee
22 yr old FMelo

and still haven't moved PP and or/RR for players and or picks!  That is a FAST rebuild with great potential, especially depending on what you could get for PP, and RR. Or keep PP and RR, perhaps, and still have a playoff team(though I wouldn't do that!).

Put yourselves in Danny's position, and not viewing it as a fan, and it's a no brainer!!!!


That team stinks and doesn't sniff the playoffs..the culture would be long gone and you'd be buckled down for 20 years of nothing again! Yay! Why not enjoy kg?
But I'm starting to sense you were one of those that didn't want to trade big al for Kevin in the first place and enjoyed 2006

Judging by your comments you didn't read much of my post except "move KG for Bledsoe and Jordan", and see the 7 players I mentioned as a fast rebuild with potential, but let's say you did see the last sentence--put yourself in DA position, and at the end of the season KG and PP retire! Now, what is YOUR rebuilding plan?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: BringToughnessBack on February 16, 2013, 09:36:46 AM
I went to sleep with dreams of Howard alongside our current roster and woke to read of Perkins Part 2 and another guard that will never lead us to anything being sent to the Celtics for KG...ugh...

KG, just say No. I have 3rd row tickets in Denver on Tuesday and am praying that the current roster will be intact. I want to see the Celtics win the 2nd part of this match up! KG epitomizes what it means to wear Celtics Green. I want him to retire just where he is and continue to play with passion that others can only dream of. You do not trade a passionate superstar for a pound of ground beef.

Having a future line up of a Center who cant score or shoot Free throws coupled with a PG who cant shoot free throws and a guard who can score but does not have the "IT" factor  does not excite me...add Josh Smith, another good defender that cant shoot free throws and we have a sure fire recipe for first round exits for the next five to seven years.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 16, 2013, 09:40:42 AM
Not terribly fond of guys who I can't play in the fourth quarter.  But if we're really set on blowing it up and trading KG, then that's probably the best we're going to get.

I really don't wanna see KG go and I especially don't wanna see pierce go. But you're right. If he wants to waive his clause then this would be a pretty nice return.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: TheBigTicket23 on February 16, 2013, 09:47:03 AM
I can not wait till the trade deadline. I'm just praying we keep our key players in Garnett and Pierce. Got sick of this rumors and makes me feel really bad
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 16, 2013, 09:48:58 AM
CroCor, good post, good points,TP!

Hey, we all knew this time was gonna come for DA and all of us fans, at some point! Danny is between a huge rock and a really hard place! He needs, really, two SOLID rotation players just to get thru the season---and sees no FA help(they'd already be here, if there was!), knows they're not coming from the D league, and obviously no one is offering anything great for BBass in a trade(can't really move anyone else with only 8 other healthy players!). He's got almost half a season yet to get thru and can absolutely not have anyone else go down with injury, or we're definitely finished! Then if we could manage to get to the playoffs healthy, having to beat 3 of the Heat,Bulls,Pacers, and Knicks, just to get a chance at the best in the West!  If you fall short, you're left with a year older KG and PP, a single draft pick this year and a very, very, tough road to rebuilding!
OR, if you move KG for Bledsoe and Jordan, you start out with:

23 yr old Bledsoe
22 yr old Bradley
26 yr old JGreen
21 yr old Sully
24 yr old DJordan

26 yr old CLee
22 yr old FMelo

and still haven't moved PP and or/RR for players and or picks!  That is a FAST rebuild with great potential, especially depending on what you could get for PP, and RR. Or keep PP and RR, perhaps, and still have a playoff team(though I wouldn't do that!).

Put yourselves in Danny's position, and not viewing it as a fan, and it's a no brainer!!!!


That team stinks and doesn't sniff the playoffs..the culture would be long gone and you'd be buckled down for 20 years of nothing again! Yay! Why not enjoy kg?
But I'm starting to sense you were one of those that didn't want to trade big al for Kevin in the first place and enjoyed 2006

Judging by your comments you didn't read much of my post except "move KG for Bledsoe and Jordan", and see the 7 players I mentioned as a fast rebuild with potential, but let's say you did see the last sentence--put yourself in DA position, and at the end of the season KG and PP retire! Now, what is YOUR rebuilding plan?

As far as a rebuild goes that's a pretty good lineup with a boatload of young potential that coul build together for the future or be flipped in a trade for a bigger asset. I mean could Bledsoe and Jordan net Howard in a sign and trade? Could pierce net josh smith? The options could be endless. Say we make the trade then trade pierce for smith.

Next year we have

Rondo/Bledsoe
Bradley/terry/lee
Green
Smith/sully/bass
Jordan/melo

That's a pretty darn good rebuilding lineup while still having pieces to add another big fish. Don't wanna do it, but if it comes down to it we'd already be better off than a lot of rebuilding teams.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: kozlodoev on February 16, 2013, 10:16:24 AM
4. Can Jordan ever learn how to shoot free throws?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kncuw9KfVWY

What do you think?

Also, Garnett's comment didn't have anything to do with retirement.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Evantime34 on February 16, 2013, 10:48:01 AM
My morning comments after reading this thread.
1. To me this deal only makes sense if you assume KG is retiring at the end of the year. If we trade him and this isn't his last year I will be the first to say this was a terrible mistake
2. Of course Bledsoe and Jordan aren't as good as KG now, this deal would be done for the future. Both those guys have high upside.
3. Shocked at how some people are killing Bledsoe. Bledsoe plays similar defense to Bradley. Having the two of them on the court at once would be better defensively than Bradley and Lee. I see his ceiling as a 18/7/5 and 2 steals guy, I guess others don't agree on that.
4. Emotionally it would tear me up to move KG and Pierce, but long term for the franchise, that's a different story. I see moving them (if you can get good value) as the logical move IF they are to retire at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 16, 2013, 11:15:56 AM
I have seen feathers growing on my arms........

therefore I expect to be flying this afternoon..
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: snively on February 16, 2013, 11:19:46 AM
Good idea. Let's trade KG for a backup point guard and a below-average center.

That's the half-empty perspective.

How about trading a 36-year-old fading star on a non-contender for a very attractive guard prospect and a 24 year old center with pretty solid value around the league (as evidenced by the bidding war that was recently conducted over his services)?

It's time to go into asset accumulation mode. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: gpap on February 16, 2013, 11:24:28 AM
I would do it

I love KG, but if you can get a good point guard and center for him, that's a pretty good deal.

Strike while the iron is hot
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: jayhovaone on February 16, 2013, 11:24:47 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--clippers--celtics-discussing-kevin-garnett-trade--055506411.html

"The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers have been discussing a deal to trade forward Kevin Garnett for guard Eric Bledsoe and center DeAndre Jordan, league sources told Yahoo! Sports."

My thoughts on this
1. Rarely do you hear a rumor reported for a while around the trade deadline actually come to fruition, but you never know.
2. Would trading KG mean that Pierce is out the door too?
3. With Rondo at the helm next year I would move Bledsoe for a big. Maybe play him the rest of the year to get his value up as a starter of a (potential) playoff team.
4. Can Jordan ever learn how to shoot free throws?
5. You wonder if KG's comments hinting at retirement make Ainge more likely to deal him.

1. You are very much correct.
2. Probably.
3. Bledsoe is heavily overrated/so is jordan. He could not start for a playoff team.
4. No. He has okay form but he has no control over how strongly he shoots the ball.
5. Im not sure he was hinting at retirement.
3. The thing is, both players are young and will improve, so maybe they are overrated now but they could be properly rated in the future. If Bledsoe was traded to us I think he would be a starter on a playoff team.
4. I hope you are wrong but I fear you are correct.
5. Anytime KG says anything it is hard to understand his entire meaning, this time he was intentionally being cryptic which means we have no way to even venture a guess as to what he means.
I'm gona start by saying this if Wojo is reporting it i'm believing it might happen because he actually has credibility in NBA circles.  Second Bledsoe is not overated he just needs a chance to start because when he actually gets a chance to play he puts up solid numbers.  Case in point his game stats from a game on the 6th of feb.  His line was 27pts 6rbs 3asts 6stls 3blks and 2 3pointers  That is a very good line for what you call an underated pointguard. 
  I love KG on the celtics but i'm gonna be a realist I don't think the celtics have a chance at winning a championship this year and i am a die hard celtics fan also i think KG has told them that he is probably done after this year.  So why not make the trade.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 16, 2013, 11:25:20 AM
If we combined this and the bass and green for josh smith I would be happy.  I'm assuming we would then trade pierce for some young talent

Rondo
Bradley
*player we trade pierce for
Smith
Jordan

Would be a nice rebuilding team.  Young, athletic, strong defense. 

Maybe a pierce for granger deal? 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 16, 2013, 11:28:11 AM
Im not even sure I would make the trade but anybody who acts like Bledsoe and Jordan are garbage is kidding themselves
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ManUp on February 16, 2013, 11:53:44 AM
It sucks to be Danny right now. I don't hate the trade, but I don't love it. I hate the idea of trading Garnett, but I see it as almost necessary.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: diddybop on February 16, 2013, 12:05:57 PM
This rumor is killing me. KG means so much to this team, organization and everything about the Celtics. The man came to Boston and changed the entire basketball culture. And that thing about the 'Celtic way' and players buying into it: Players tend to listen to guys like KG, before Doc. It'll be much less of a given for players to buy into Doc's system without a guy of KG's stature and how much he respects the coach.

I think Bledsoe is on his way to becoming a hell of a player. He's built like a tank, plays Bradley-esque d, and can rebound like a beast. Offensively he's still got a ways to go before being able to run an offense, and that set shot is pretty gross. Jordan on the other hand, what else can he do besides dunk and rebound? Imagine him and Rondo on the court during the end of a close game. That's two options to foul and chances are they are missing at least one free throw.

I thought I loved trade deadline talk, then I read rumors about Rondo to LAL, KG to LAC and it hurts. Sports is ultimately about rooting for laundry, but losing a guy like KG, who did so much for this franchise that was stuck in awfulness/mediocrity, would really hurt bad.

Oh and while some of you are dreaming of Josh Smith, Rondo and Jordan...imagine those three free throw percentages, late in a close game. KG ultimately has final say, and hopefully he kills this.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 16, 2013, 12:11:30 PM
On paper, this deal would make a lot of sense.  But I just don't want to trade KG after everything he's done here and his commitment to the team.  I kinda hope he flatout refuses to be traded.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: esel1000 on February 16, 2013, 12:16:40 PM
Man idk about this trade, this is probably the best we could get back for a 36 year old kg but man I think id rip my eyes out watching Jordan shoot fts every game...
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: colincb on February 16, 2013, 12:22:09 PM
I'm against this trade.  DJ is a very poor man's D12 with a worse FT% and more posing. Can't play him at the end of games and outside of lobs for dunks, he has no offense. Very overpaid at $11MM for next season, this is subtraction by addition.  Bledsoe's another story, but he's a poor PG and AB's a better defender at the SG.  Bledsoe's a FA after next season and we'd be spending a chunk more money to keep him then without having been able to play him much more than the Clippers have in order to establish his real value. 

I'd rather take a shot with KG for 1 or 2 more seasons and then rebuild with free cap room.  I also agree with the sentiment that the trade takes us into mediocrity, which is the worst place to rebuild from.  Ainge restructured the team last summer to go 2-3 years more and then blow up.  Getting these two players certainly doesn't make us in the interim good enough to contend or bad enough to get high draft choices.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Snakehead on February 16, 2013, 12:34:35 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo

When asked if there was any team or circumstance that he would drop his trade clause for, Kevin Garnett simply said: "No."
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: esel1000 on February 16, 2013, 12:36:28 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo

When asked if there was any team or circumstance that he would drop his trade clause for, Kevin Garnett simply said: "No."

Well hopefully that answers it... Lets just get Smoove here and I'll be happy
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Snakehead on February 16, 2013, 12:37:44 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo

"If its up to me I will live and die green," KG said. When reminded its up to him, KG said: "OK then. So what are we talking about it?"
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: syfy9 on February 16, 2013, 12:37:44 PM
This team just won 8 of their last 9 games. WHY would we want to blow it up, exactly?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ScottHow on February 16, 2013, 12:38:15 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo

When asked if there was any team or circumstance that he would drop his trade clause for, Kevin Garnett simply said: "No."

Unless they trade pierce right?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 12:39:05 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo

When asked if there was any team or circumstance that he would drop his trade clause for, Kevin Garnett simply said: "No."

I hope this ends discussion.  I don't think it will.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Snakehead on February 16, 2013, 12:40:51 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo

When asked if there was any team or circumstance that he would drop his trade clause for, Kevin Garnett simply said: "No."

Unless they trade pierce right?

He said no circumstance.  That is the talk we have heard before though, Pierce and KG go together.

I just hope this is more baseless rumor.  Woj and more credible sources being involved obviously makes it different.  I just want to see them both stay.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Evantime34 on February 16, 2013, 12:43:09 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo

When asked if there was any team or circumstance that he would drop his trade clause for, Kevin Garnett simply said: "No."

I hope this ends discussion.  I don't think it will.
Ainge is a good GM and will explore all options. This is one of his options. Although, this deal is unlikely I don't think the rumors go away since he will probably be talking KG up until the deadline.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: rondohondo on February 16, 2013, 12:43:43 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo

When asked if there was any team or circumstance that he would drop his trade clause for, Kevin Garnett simply said: "No."

I hope this ends discussion.  I don't think it will.

Why would he want to be here after we trade pp and rondo for dwight and filler? ;)
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 12:44:04 PM
Hat tip to Celts17Pride from RealGM for compiling the following:

Quote
Yannis Koutroupis @YannisHW
Kevin Garnett adamantly said that there is no circumstance in which he would waive his no-trade clause just now.

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
When asked if there was any team or circumstance that he would drop his trade clause for, Kevin Garnett simply said: "No."

Baxter Holmes @BaxterHolmes
KG said there was no circumstance under which he would drop his no-trade clause. #celtics

Kyle Draper @kylerdraper
Garnett says he can't foresee a circumstance in which he'd waive his no trade clause #CelticsTalk

Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA
Kevin Garnett clearly stated under no circumstance would he waive his no-trade said not what he came back for

Baxter Holmes @BaxterHolmes
Has Danny Ainge approached KG about a potential trade? "Not of recent, no," KG said. #Celtics

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
"If its up to me I will live and die green," KG said. When reminded its up to him, KG said: "OK then. So what are we talking about it?"

A. Sherrod Blakely @SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk : When asked if he would in any way waive his no-trade clause. "No," KG said. "If it's up to me, I'll live and die green."

Baxter Holmes @BaxterHolmes now
"If it's up to me, I'm going to live and die green." - Kevin Garnett #Celtics
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ManUp on February 16, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
I'm not shocked at the comment. I don't think KG would ever bail on his teammates as long as they're still here. He'd feel like he was leaving guys behind/pulling a Ray.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Tr1boy on February 16, 2013, 12:45:33 PM
KG won't leave first. BOS has to unload Pierce first, then KG will change his mind and not the other way around.

Pierce for Barnes then KG for Jordan and Bledsoe.

The Jet maybe unloaded also to Denver for example for some key bench guys.

After this, Rondo won't be back either and traded once he is fully healthy.

Celts full blown up lineup if it were to happen

Starting - Jordan - Green - Barnes - Bradley - Bledsoe
Bench - Lee - Bass - Sully - Collins - Melo - G - F (new players)

We would still be able to nail 7th or 8th spot in a weak east conference
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on February 16, 2013, 12:46:32 PM
...and with KG's news, we're NEVER going to win a title.  Welcome to mediocrity.  We'll be just good enough to be average.  Danny won't add to this team, but we'll be grateful that KG's exit will be filled with average-ness.  This is what happens when you put all the power in the hands of the player.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Snakehead on February 16, 2013, 12:48:17 PM
...and with KG's news, we're NEVER going to win a title.  Welcome to mediocrity.  We'll be just good enough to be average.  Danny won't add to this team, but we'll be grateful that KG's exit will be filled with average-ness.  This is what happens when you put all the power in the hands of the player.

Yeah DeAndre Jordan is truly the answer to our prayers.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: rondohondo on February 16, 2013, 12:48:53 PM
Kg didn't want to come to boston at first either. If Danny explains to him that he will have a better shot at contending for another title in his hometown of LA , while being able to help the c's for the future,I believe he could be talked into waiving his no trade,especially if Pp and/or rondo are traded.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 12:49:15 PM
...and with KG's news, we're NEVER going to win a title.  Welcome to mediocrity.  We'll be just good enough to be average.  Danny won't add to this team, but we'll be grateful that KG's exit will be filled with average-ness.  This is what happens when you put all the power in the hands of the player.

Yeah, I'm sure we'll never win another title again.  DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe were going to be centerpieces to #18 (and probably #19, #20, and #21), but because of KG's selfish loyalty to the franchise and to his teammates, we're DOOMED.

What has he ever done for this franchise, anyway? 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: alley oop on February 16, 2013, 12:50:03 PM
A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk: FWIW, every #Celtics player except Fab Melo has a better defensive rating this year than #Clippers DeAndre Jordan.
 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Tr1boy on February 16, 2013, 12:51:09 PM
...and with KG's news, we're NEVER going to win a title.  Welcome to mediocrity.  We'll be just good enough to be average.  Danny won't add to this team, but we'll be grateful that KG's exit will be filled with average-ness.  This is what happens when you put all the power in the hands of the player.

what you don't get is, if you get a bledsoe, jordan and barnes who are not considered elite players and may never, but you creatively package a few , with some other players on the team, you might be able to get one ultra superstar. If Kevin Durant for whatever reason is was avail, a trio of bledsoe, jordan and barnes would definitely be enough.

Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Evantime34 on February 16, 2013, 12:52:10 PM
A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk: FWIW, every #Celtics player except Fab Melo has a better defensive rating this year than #Clippers DeAndre Jordan.
I tweeted back to him with no response but this is completely false. Jordan's defensive rating is 100 the only players better than him are Fab Melo and KG. The only thing I can think of is that he thinks a higher defensive rating is better (the opposite is true)
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: rondohondo on February 16, 2013, 12:54:04 PM
A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk: FWIW, every #Celtics player except Fab Melo has a better defensive rating this year than #Clippers DeAndre Jordan.
I tweeted back to him with no response but this is completely false. Jordan's defensive rating is 100 the only players better than him are Fab Melo and KG. The only thing I can think of is that he thinks a higher defensive rating is better (the opposite is true)

Haha sherrod is such a moron
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on February 16, 2013, 12:57:07 PM
You can't rebuild around KG and Pierce.  You start the process of moving the dominoes now.  Do I believe Bledsoe and Jordan are the answer (in and of themselves)?  No, I'm not that stupid.  But if you want to rebuild the base of talent with younger players, you start the process sometime soon, and you start it with better players than other bottom feeders in the NBA.  But I guess loyalty means more to you guys than it does me.  Loyalty died years ago...  KG is a great guy - I love him, but we're not winning another title here with this team constructed as is.  But I don't care - my comments make me an easy target to the loyalists who sit at KGs feet.  This is PROFESSIONAL sports, and I could care less who is on this team.  When Larry left, and McHale retired and Reggie died - the whole culture changed.  We had guys like X-man and Dominique and the trades were so rampant it didn't matter to me anymore.  KG is a great player, but I'd move him now for pieces to build the next generation of this team.  Jordan and Bledsoe are two nice starting pieces to fetch for an aging veteran with limitations on his minutes.  But that's just me...
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Tr1boy on February 16, 2013, 12:58:24 PM
A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk: FWIW, every #Celtics player except Fab Melo has a better defensive rating this year than #Clippers DeAndre Jordan.
I tweeted back to him with no response but this is completely false. Jordan's defensive rating is 100 the only players better than him are Fab Melo and KG. The only thing I can think of is that he thinks a higher defensive rating is better (the opposite is true)

under Doc's system, Jordan will be asked to stop trying to swat everything in sight. Instead utilize his body to play solid positional defense. The guy is pretty athletic and has good footspeed to execute this (the iq is the issue).  Bledsoe familiar with him will also lob quite a few easy dunks for him. I mean he could give us 10 points (3 lob dunks, 2 putback) and 8 to 10 rebounds (2 or 3 offensive rebounds) easily per game.  This won't makeup for the loss of KG but still pretty darn good for inside the pain production. With Sully back next year as the brains of the interior paint, plus Jordan doing the dirty work, we will be ok. At least after KG is long gone, Jordan will be at his peak of his career playing for the celts.

Just saying
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on February 16, 2013, 12:58:34 PM
...and with KG's news, we're NEVER going to win a title.  Welcome to mediocrity.  We'll be just good enough to be average.  Danny won't add to this team, but we'll be grateful that KG's exit will be filled with average-ness.  This is what happens when you put all the power in the hands of the player.

Yeah, I'm sure we'll never win another title again.  DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe were going to be centerpieces to #18 (and probably #19, #20, and #21), but because of KG's selfish loyalty to the franchise and to his teammates, we're DOOMED.

What has he ever done for this franchise, anyway?

Roy says it - it's final...  I sit at your feet and soak it in, my friend...
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 01:00:38 PM
...and with KG's news, we're NEVER going to win a title.  Welcome to mediocrity.  We'll be just good enough to be average.  Danny won't add to this team, but we'll be grateful that KG's exit will be filled with average-ness.  This is what happens when you put all the power in the hands of the player.

Yeah, I'm sure we'll never win another title again.  DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe were going to be centerpieces to #18 (and probably #19, #20, and #21), but because of KG's selfish loyalty to the franchise and to his teammates, we're DOOMED.

What has he ever done for this franchise, anyway?

Roy says it - it's final...  I sit at your feet and soak it in, my friend...

You want an "atta boy" after declaring that this franchise will "NEVER" win a title again if we don't trade KG?  Overreact much?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Evantime34 on February 16, 2013, 01:02:57 PM
A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk: FWIW, every #Celtics player except Fab Melo has a better defensive rating this year than #Clippers DeAndre Jordan.
I tweeted back to him with no response but this is completely false. Jordan's defensive rating is 100 the only players better than him are Fab Melo and KG. The only thing I can think of is that he thinks a higher defensive rating is better (the opposite is true)

under Doc's system, Jordan will be asked to stop trying to swat everything in sight. Instead utilize his body to play solid positional defense. The guy is pretty athletic and has good footspeed to execute this (the iq is the issue).  Bledsoe familiar with him will also lob quite a few easy dunks for him. I mean he could give us 10 points (3 lob dunks, 2 putback) and 8 to 10 rebounds (2 or 3 offensive rebounds) easily per game.  This won't makeup for the loss of KG but still pretty darn good for inside the pain production. With Sully back next year as the brains of the interior paint, plus Jordan doing the dirty work, we will be ok. At least after KG is long gone, Jordan will be at his peak of his career playing for the celts.

Just saying
Yeah I think Jordan could be great defensively for us, the question would be can he improve his free throws to the point that he can be on the court in crunch time.

Btw another note on defensive rating. Bledsoe has a rating of 99 which is better than any player except for Melo.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: cman88 on February 16, 2013, 01:06:32 PM
I dont understand the notion that we cant contend with Garnett/Pierce at least next year....especially with an allstar in Rondo back and altering his game to this new style of celtics play, the improved play of our guys already on the team and hopefully Melo developing to our backup center

arent the Spurs contendors with an old Core?? I dont see cries for them to blow it up and trade tim duncan for Deandre jordan and other assorted mediocrity.

everyone keeps talking about "well the further decline of pierce/KG" I dont see the decline yet. KG is still shooting 50% and Pierce is still putting up 20ppg....and you can counter that "decline" with added contributions from guys like Green

I would think our plan is to build the team like them...an old core with lots of young contributers.

look, Ainge gave KG a No-trade clause for a reason...and it would be extremely disrespectful in my eyes to go shop him when the first year of his deal i'snt even complete

this year has been tough from the growing pains of the team gaining chemistry, to then losing some of our best players to freak injury..

but, I see no reason why we cant come back and be one of the top teams in the east next year....trading our HOF'ers for mediocrity like Deandre Jordan, Bledsoe isnt going to get us any closer
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: kozlodoev on February 16, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
I don't understand why everyone thinks Jordan is a surefire thing.

He's still at a stage of his career where it's unclear of whether he'll turn into a Tyson Chandler, or into a Brendan Haywood.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: alley oop on February 16, 2013, 01:10:43 PM
On media day the number one reason KG gave for resigning was Doc. Vinny Del Negro isn't Doc.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: RebusRankin on February 16, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Rather keep KG than land Bledsoe/Jordan
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ScottHow on February 16, 2013, 01:16:14 PM
A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk: FWIW, every #Celtics player except Fab Melo has a better defensive rating this year than #Clippers DeAndre Jordan.
I tweeted back to him with no response but this is completely false. Jordan's defensive rating is 100 the only players better than him are Fab Melo and KG. The only thing I can think of is that he thinks a higher defensive rating is better (the opposite is true)
Lol he would
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 01:38:27 PM
A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
#Celticstalk: FWIW, every #Celtics player except Fab Melo has a better defensive rating this year than #Clippers DeAndre Jordan.
I tweeted back to him with no response but this is completely false. Jordan's defensive rating is 100 the only players better than him are Fab Melo and KG. The only thing I can think of is that he thinks a higher defensive rating is better (the opposite is true)
Lol he would

Well, that's an embarrassing slipup
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticG1 on February 16, 2013, 01:42:45 PM
I don't understand why everyone thinks Jordan is a surefire thing.

He's still at a stage of his career where it's unclear of whether he'll turn into a Tyson Chandler, or into a Brendan Haywood.

Exactly.

He has as much upside as he does downside.

It's definitely an intriguing offer but Jordan is still very much a raw prospect.

As for KG's if it's up to me claims, i think he will still listen to Danny and basically if Danny really wants to force him out (to a better situation)he may cave.

He's basically saying how much he wants to stay here publicly putting his cards on the table so if Danny turns around and says we don't care we don't want you hear (in a nicer way) than I could see KG saying "fine,I'll move on if you are essentially forcing me out". This is assuming it is a good situation like the clippers obviously.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ssspence on February 16, 2013, 01:45:12 PM
KG said today he won't waive his no trade, so... Discussion over.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: rondohondo on February 16, 2013, 01:47:32 PM
KG said today he won't waive his no trade, so... Discussion over.
what happens if pp gets traded or rondo? Discussion not over...
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: More Banners on February 16, 2013, 01:49:56 PM
He said he wouldn't leave 'Sota, either.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: mctyson on February 16, 2013, 02:03:08 PM
1) This trade does not make the C's anymore competitive for a title in the near future.  Bledsoe and Jordan are both decent players and good defenders.  They are supplementary pieces.

2) I have no doubt that the Clips want KG, and are the ones pushing this discussion.  This is the same Clips team that the Rondo-less Celtics just beat, and they are reeling.  They are going nowhere fast...almost the opposite of the Celtics right now.

3) KG is probably the last person on the roster I would trade at this moment, maybe save for Bradley.  He is more valuable to this team than anyone else, including Pierce.  Unless you are blowing the entire team up, he does not get traded.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Clench123 on February 16, 2013, 02:04:16 PM
KG said today he won't waive his no trade, so... Discussion over.
what happens if pp gets traded or rondo? Discussion not over...

Then he rides this one out, probably down and unmotivated  sort of like when Perk was traded, and then retire.  KG is the type of person that believes firmly in principle and loyalty. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticG1 on February 16, 2013, 02:06:47 PM
KG said today he won't waive his no trade, so... Discussion over.

If Danny forces him to the Clippers AKA begs KG to leave I have a hard time believing KG stays where he wouldn't be wanted.

I think he is just saying he is not jumping ship, he wants to stay here.

Notice those conversations hes had where he's said that Danny always said he'd put the Team ahead of the players when him and Ray came aboard.

KG is saying that his loyalty is with the Celts and he wants to stay, but I'm thinking if Danny comes to him with a good destination for him like the Clippers and says "any chance you want to do us a favor, waive your clause and go to  a title contender" that KG would consider it.

We won't know until we actually here of a report of Danny asking KG or something like that. Otherwise it is still talk.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Evantime34 on February 16, 2013, 02:10:12 PM
1) This trade does not make the C's anymore competitive for a title in the near future.  Bledsoe and Jordan are both decent players and good defenders.  They are supplementary pieces.

2) I have no doubt that the Clips want KG, and are the ones pushing this discussion.  This is the same Clips team that the Rondo-less Celtics just beat, and they are reeling.  They are going nowhere fast...almost the opposite of the Celtics right now.

3) KG is probably the last person on the roster I would trade at this moment, maybe save for Bradley.  He is more valuable to this team than anyone else, including Pierce.  Unless you are blowing the entire team up, he does not get traded.
1. It seems like you are assuming they won't get better. They are supplementary pieces now, but both have elite athleticism at important positions and should improve.
2. The Clippers were reeling but then Chris Paul came back and they started smashing teams.
3. To me the only reason to trade KG would be if he was retiring at the end of the year
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Clench123 on February 16, 2013, 02:13:10 PM
KG said today he won't waive his no trade, so... Discussion over.

If Danny forces him to the Clippers AKA begs KG to leave I have a hard time believing KG stays where he wouldn't be wanted.

I think he is just saying he is not jumping ship, he wants to stay here.

Notice those conversations hes had where he's said that Danny always said he'd put the Team ahead of the players when him and Ray came aboard.

KG is saying that his loyalty is with the Celts and he wants to stay, but I'm thinking if Danny comes to him with a good destination for him like the Clippers and says "any chance you want to do us a favor, waive your clause and go to  a title contender" that KG would consider it.

We won't know until we actually here of a report of Danny asking KG or something like that. Otherwise it is still talk.

No he won't and they can't force him.  KG is the type of person that would ask Danny "where's your loyalty to me?" because it's two way street. And loyalty is one of the things he talked about during the lockout last season
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: rondohondo on February 16, 2013, 02:23:28 PM
KG said today he won't waive his no trade, so... Discussion over.

If Danny forces him to the Clippers AKA begs KG to leave I have a hard time believing KG stays where he wouldn't be wanted.

I think he is just saying he is not jumping ship, he wants to stay here.

Notice those conversations hes had where he's said that Danny always said he'd put the Team ahead of the players when him and Ray came aboard.

KG is saying that his loyalty is with the Celts and he wants to stay, but I'm thinking if Danny comes to him with a good destination for him like the Clippers and says "any chance you want to do us a favor, waive your clause and go to  a title contender" that KG would consider it.

We won't know until we actually here of a report of Danny asking KG or something like that. Otherwise it is still talk.

No he won't and they can't force him.  KG is the type of person that would ask Danny "where's your loyalty to me?" because it's two way street. And loyalty is one of the things he talked about during the lockout last season
I see loyalty as leaving the team you love in the best situation for their future,while being able to contend for a title in LA .  What would he be proving going down with the sinking ship( if pp and/or rondo gets traded.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 16, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
I like Deandre Jordan. He'd be a solid center next to KG.  But I wouldn't trade KG for him.  Of any player, KG is the one who I refuse to trade.  His value to the culture of this team and the organization as a whole is too important.  He's the modern representation of Celtic Pride... that undefinable jedi force that turns also-ran teams in overachieving pseudo contenders by sheer force of will.  As long as KG is connected to this organization, I feel like the next generation has a chance to "get it".  Keep him here this year.  Next year if he's leaning towards retirement, try to convince him to come off the bench.  Get some young guys onto this team some other method and hope KG's essence rubs off on them.

Paul Pierce is my favorite player of this generation for obvious reasons... but Paul pierce was never a leader of men.  I'd move him for the right deal for the sake of the franchise.  I'd keep KG here for the sake of the franchise. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: alley oop on February 16, 2013, 02:35:14 PM
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Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: mctyson on February 16, 2013, 02:43:14 PM
1) This trade does not make the C's anymore competitive for a title in the near future.  Bledsoe and Jordan are both decent players and good defenders.  They are supplementary pieces.

2) I have no doubt that the Clips want KG, and are the ones pushing this discussion.  This is the same Clips team that the Rondo-less Celtics just beat, and they are reeling.  They are going nowhere fast...almost the opposite of the Celtics right now.

3) KG is probably the last person on the roster I would trade at this moment, maybe save for Bradley.  He is more valuable to this team than anyone else, including Pierce.  Unless you are blowing the entire team up, he does not get traded.
1. It seems like you are assuming they won't get better. They are supplementary pieces now, but both have elite athleticism at important positions and should improve.
2. The Clippers were reeling but then Chris Paul came back and they started smashing teams.
3. To me the only reason to trade KG would be if he was retiring at the end of the year

I am not saying they can't get better.  But I am also saying they currently are borderline NBA starters playing for a team that, without their star PG, has been worse than the Celtics.

If Danny knows for a 100% fact that KG is done after this year (which to me would be odd since he signed a 3-year contract...why leave that money on the table?) then yes I agree he should try to get KG and Pierce on winning ballclubs and get as much back in return for them.

I don't think KG is retiring.  And if he really wants to retire a Celtic, why would he tell Danny then?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 16, 2013, 02:50:43 PM
Again, I don't want to trade KG.  I want him to retire a Celtic. 

But out of curiosity, why does DeAndre Jordan only play 25 minutes a game?  He averages 9 points, 7 rebounds and 1.4 blocks on 60% shooting but is only getting 25 minutes a night.  What's up with that?

Even 36 year old KG is getting 30 minutes a night.  Someone like Dwight gets 35 minutes a night.   
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 02:52:36 PM
Again, I don't want to trade KG.  I want him to retire a Celtic. 

But out of curiosity, why does DeAndre Jordan only play 25 minutes a game?  He averages 9 points, 7 rebounds and 1.4 blocks on 60% shooting but is only getting 25 minutes a night.  What's up with that?

Even 36 year old KG is getting 30 minutes a night.  Someone like Dwight gets 35 minutes a night.

They usually can't play him late or its Hack-A-Jordan

Also he's a victim of a deep roster, just like Barbosa was
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: RJ87 on February 16, 2013, 02:57:18 PM
1) This trade does not make the C's anymore competitive for a title in the near future.  Bledsoe and Jordan are both decent players and good defenders.  They are supplementary pieces.

2) I have no doubt that the Clips want KG, and are the ones pushing this discussion.  This is the same Clips team that the Rondo-less Celtics just beat, and they are reeling.  They are going nowhere fast...almost the opposite of the Celtics right now.

3) KG is probably the last person on the roster I would trade at this moment, maybe save for Bradley.  He is more valuable to this team than anyone else, including Pierce.  Unless you are blowing the entire team up, he does not get traded.
1. It seems like you are assuming they won't get better. They are supplementary pieces now, but both have elite athleticism at important positions and should improve.
2. The Clippers were reeling but then Chris Paul came back and they started smashing teams.
3. To me the only reason to trade KG would be if he was retiring at the end of the year

I am not saying they can't get better.  But I am also saying they currently are borderline NBA starters playing for a team that, without their star PG, has been worse than the Celtics.

If Danny knows for a 100% fact that KG is done after this year (which to me would be odd since he signed a 3-year contract...why leave that money on the table?) then yes I agree he should try to get KG and Pierce on winning ballclubs and get as much back in return for them.

I don't think KG is retiring.  And if he really wants to retire a Celtic, why would he tell Danny then?

If KG is leaning towards retirement,  then this trade makes far less sense for LAC. Let's say this trade goes through, KG retires after the season, then LA squandered two of its best assets for a half season rental. They'd have no starting center and no Bledsoe to dangle to another team to acquire one. That doesn't seem very smart for a team trying to convince CP3 to sign a long-term contract.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Evantime34 on February 16, 2013, 03:00:01 PM
1) This trade does not make the C's anymore competitive for a title in the near future.  Bledsoe and Jordan are both decent players and good defenders.  They are supplementary pieces.

2) I have no doubt that the Clips want KG, and are the ones pushing this discussion.  This is the same Clips team that the Rondo-less Celtics just beat, and they are reeling.  They are going nowhere fast...almost the opposite of the Celtics right now.

3) KG is probably the last person on the roster I would trade at this moment, maybe save for Bradley.  He is more valuable to this team than anyone else, including Pierce.  Unless you are blowing the entire team up, he does not get traded.
1. It seems like you are assuming they won't get better. They are supplementary pieces now, but both have elite athleticism at important positions and should improve.
2. The Clippers were reeling but then Chris Paul came back and they started smashing teams.
3. To me the only reason to trade KG would be if he was retiring at the end of the year

I am not saying they can't get better.  But I am also saying they currently are borderline NBA starters playing for a team that, without their star PG, has been worse than the Celtics.

If Danny knows for a 100% fact that KG is done after this year (which to me would be odd since he signed a 3-year contract...why leave that money on the table?) then yes I agree he should try to get KG and Pierce on winning ballclubs and get as much back in return for them.

I don't think KG is retiring.  And if he really wants to retire a Celtic, why would he tell Danny then?

If KG is leaning towards retirement,  then this trade makes far less sense for LAC. Let's say this trade goes through, KG retires after the season, then LA squandered two of its best assets for a half season rental. They'd have no starting center and no Bledsoe to dangle to another team to acquire one. That doesn't seem very smart for a team trying to convince CP3 to sign a long-term contract.
I'd say it's hardly squandering assets if KG leads them to a title.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 16, 2013, 03:01:52 PM
1) This trade does not make the C's anymore competitive for a title in the near future.  Bledsoe and Jordan are both decent players and good defenders.  They are supplementary pieces.

2) I have no doubt that the Clips want KG, and are the ones pushing this discussion.  This is the same Clips team that the Rondo-less Celtics just beat, and they are reeling.  They are going nowhere fast...almost the opposite of the Celtics right now.

3) KG is probably the last person on the roster I would trade at this moment, maybe save for Bradley.  He is more valuable to this team than anyone else, including Pierce.  Unless you are blowing the entire team up, he does not get traded.
1. It seems like you are assuming they won't get better. They are supplementary pieces now, but both have elite athleticism at important positions and should improve.
2. The Clippers were reeling but then Chris Paul came back and they started smashing teams.
3. To me the only reason to trade KG would be if he was retiring at the end of the year

I am not saying they can't get better.  But I am also saying they currently are borderline NBA starters playing for a team that, without their star PG, has been worse than the Celtics.

If Danny knows for a 100% fact that KG is done after this year (which to me would be odd since he signed a 3-year contract...why leave that money on the table?) then yes I agree he should try to get KG and Pierce on winning ballclubs and get as much back in return for them.

I don't think KG is retiring.  And if he really wants to retire a Celtic, why would he tell Danny then?

If KG is leaning towards retirement,  then this trade makes far less sense for LAC. Let's say this trade goes through, KG retires after the season, then LA squandered two of its best assets for a half season rental. They'd have no starting center and no Bledsoe to dangle to another team to acquire one. That doesn't seem very smart for a team trying to convince CP3 to sign a long-term contract.
I'd say it's hardly squandering assets if KG leads them to a title.

Yea, if they get a title this year, it's more than worth it. I mean, they are the Clippers!!! They have never sniffed an NBA title!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CoachBo on February 16, 2013, 03:48:16 PM
Y'all are wasting your time.

Garnett said this afternoon at the ASG he's not waiving his no trade.

Case closed.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: vinnie on February 16, 2013, 04:19:34 PM
I so miss the days when many players wore the same jersey for their whole careers. I would much rather see KG and the captain retire here.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: celty86 on February 16, 2013, 04:35:17 PM
As much as some may want to see this happen these are the realities:

I don't think the owners want to see the two icons (PP & KG) moved. Bad for business even if they know that they probably won't get by Miami. Two playoff rounds still get them a decent amount of money in their coffers. 

Ainge's primary motive is to win with KG & PP and try to add to them if possible. When they retire he will see what options are available at that time.

The Clippers do not want to deal away two young pieces from their team for an all or nothing run at this year's finals. They would need KG to have more impact for this season than Bledsoe & Jordan (quite possibly)but the impact would slowly vanish as KG ages in the next couple of years and the Clips would miss Bledsoe and Jordan. If they added KG but subtracted youth would that convince CP3 to want to stay with them long term? KG would be gone in 3 years, Bledsoe and Jordan won't. CP3 knows this.

End of the day, I think it could be a quiet trade deadline. Maybe a small trade by Danny.   
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: More Banners on February 16, 2013, 04:38:47 PM
I so miss the days when many players wore the same jersey for their whole careers. I would much rather see KG and the captain retire here.

tp, sir.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LooseCannon on February 16, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
To create a situation where KG would be willing to waive his no-trade clause, I suspect that you would have to fire Doc in addition to trading away Pierce.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticHooligan3 on February 16, 2013, 04:54:14 PM
It sucks to be Danny right now. I don't hate the trade, but I don't love it. I hate the idea of trading Garnett, but I see it as almost necessary.



This. TP.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: crownontherocks on February 16, 2013, 04:59:56 PM
The Clippers are confident that they could change Kevin Garnett's mind about a trade to join their team, according to Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports.
Garnett has a no-trade clause and he also said he bleeds green, so the Clippers may have their work cut out for themselves. The Celtics winning eight of their last 10 games puts them in a bit of a jam because it's unclear whether they will be buyers or sellers. Garnett's value would be best suited on Boston and his owners shouldn't be expecting him to be dealt.

Source: Marc Spears on Twitter
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 16, 2013, 05:04:47 PM
KG stays and retires.

Same for Pierce.


Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 16, 2013, 05:06:16 PM
KG stays and retires.

Same for Pierce.

If they both stay, they will play next year. They would want to give themselves another shot with Rondo back.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Moranis on February 16, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Y'all are wasting your time.

Garnett said this afternoon at the ASG he's not waiving his no trade.

Case closed.
I get that but if Ainge goes into full bore rebuilding and trades Pierce, Rondo, and/or others in what are clearly rebuilding trades, then KG might actually want to play out his career on a winner.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 16, 2013, 05:08:07 PM
Y'all are wasting your time.

Garnett said this afternoon at the ASG he's not waiving his no trade.

Case closed.
I get that but if Ainge goes into full bore rebuilding and trades Pierce, Rondo, and/or others in what are clearly rebuilding trades, then KG might actually want to play out his career on a winner.

KG had also said he wouldn't sign with the celtics if the Twolves were to trade him here, and how did that work out?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 16, 2013, 05:08:19 PM
The Clippers are confident that they could change Kevin Garnett's mind about a trade to join their team, according to Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports.
Garnett has a no-trade clause and he also said he bleeds green, so the Clippers may have their work cut out for themselves. The Celtics winning eight of their last 10 games puts them in a bit of a jam because it's unclear whether they will be buyers or sellers. Garnett's value would be best suited on Boston and his owners shouldn't be expecting him to be dealt.

Source: Marc Spears on Twitter

It's quite interesting that 18 years in the NBA, and people around the league still don't understand Kevin Garnett.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CoachBo on February 16, 2013, 05:17:20 PM
Y'all are wasting your time.

Garnett said this afternoon at the ASG he's not waiving his no trade.

Case closed.
I get that but if Ainge goes into full bore rebuilding and trades Pierce, Rondo, and/or others in what are clearly rebuilding trades, then KG might actually want to play out his career on a winner.

KG had also said he wouldn't sign with the celtics if the Twolves were to trade him here, and how did that work out?

I will never understand the haste some of you have to burn this franchise to the ground and go back to the days when y'all were vastly overrating the brain-dead Gerald Green.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 05:21:55 PM

I will never understand the haste some of you have to burn this franchise to the ground and go back to the days when y'all were vastly overrating the brain-dead Gerald Green.

I don't get it, either.  Losing in the second round isn't always a lot of fun, but it infinitely beats 90% of the fan base rooting for losses and hoping that our best players get "injured".

KG came back with the understanding that Danny was going to try to contend.  To trade him now is a betrayal. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 16, 2013, 05:27:20 PM
Y'all are wasting your time.

Garnett said this afternoon at the ASG he's not waiving his no trade.

Case closed.
I get that but if Ainge goes into full bore rebuilding and trades Pierce, Rondo, and/or others in what are clearly rebuilding trades, then KG might actually want to play out his career on a winner.

KG had also said he wouldn't sign with the celtics if the Twolves were to trade him here, and how did that work out?

I will never understand the haste some of you have to burn this franchise to the ground and go back to the days when y'all were vastly overrating the brain-dead Gerald Green.

I'm not saying I would trade KG, I wouldn't do this deal with the clippers. I'm just saying that if Ainge and the Clippers agree on a deal, they can change KG's mind about the no-trade clause.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LooseCannon on February 16, 2013, 05:35:28 PM
What about sticking a pin in this idea and saving it for the off-season?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CoachBo on February 16, 2013, 05:37:47 PM

I will never understand the haste some of you have to burn this franchise to the ground and go back to the days when y'all were vastly overrating the brain-dead Gerald Green.

I don't get it, either.  Losing in the second round isn't always a lot of fun, but it infinitely beats 90% of the fan base rooting for losses and hoping that our best players get "injured".

KG came back with the understanding that Danny was going to try to contend.  To trade him now is a betrayal.

Indeed it is.

It would seem to me that Danny has one of two avenues - assuming, as I do, that the Lakers aren't going to be interested in unloading Howard for an injured guard right now. If they are, then that's a no-brainer avenue to explore, as I believe Ainge will push his efforts to move Rondo once he is recovered:

1. See if Atlanta's seriously interested in moving Josh Smith, a deal I have misgivings about because I hate Smith's perimeter game and his short attention span on the floor.

2. Let it ride and pick up a big off the buyout lists, preferably. Don't see anything in the D League that interests me.

Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: MBunge on February 16, 2013, 05:42:54 PM
KG came back with the understanding that Danny was going to try to contend.  To trade him now is a betrayal.

1.  Rondo is done for the year.  So is Sully and Barbosa.  For this team to contend now would be one of the greatest and most totally unexplainable things to ever happen in sports history.  I mean, can anyone think of a team in Boston's situation that EVER won a championship?

2.  KG would have to agree to any trade.  You can't betray someone when you have to get their consent to do it.

3.  Ainge's responsibility is to think about contending for the next 10 years and beyond, not just this year.

I lived through the post-Bird years and unless a couple of really good players just up and die on the Celtics and we get a complete buffoon like Pitino running things again, I feel safe in saying that the rebuilding process won't be anywhere near as bad as that.  So, I'm perfectly fine with KG and Pierce retiring in green.  But I won't be outraged if Ainge can find a way to get 3 or 4 years of that process done in one fell swoop while also giving KG and Pierce better chances to win another ring.

Mike
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: jdz101 on February 16, 2013, 05:54:30 PM

But out of curiosity, why does DeAndre Jordan only play 25 minutes a game?  He averages 9 points, 7 rebounds and 1.4 blocks on 60% shooting but is only getting 25 minutes a night.  What's up with that?

Even 36 year old KG is getting 30 minutes a night.  Someone like Dwight gets 35 minutes a night.

I can think of a pretty good reason why he only gets 25 minutes per game: he's not a very good NBA player.

The same phenomenon exists with Bledsoe. Point guard sized shooting guard that can't shoot very well???!!!!!

OH MY GOSH WHERE DO I SIGN?!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 16, 2013, 06:01:09 PM
KG came back with the understanding that Danny was going to try to contend.  To trade him now is a betrayal.

1.  Rondo is done for the year.  So is Sully and Barbosa.  For this team to contend now would be one of the greatest and most totally unexplainable things to ever happen in sports history.  I mean, can anyone think of a team in Boston's situation that EVER won a championship?

2.  KG would have to agree to any trade.  You can't betray someone when you have to get their consent to do it.

3.  Ainge's responsibility is to think about contending for the next 10 years and beyond, not just this year.

I lived through the post-Bird years and unless a couple of really good players just up and die on the Celtics and we get a complete buffoon like Pitino running things again, I feel safe in saying that the rebuilding process won't be anywhere near as bad as that.  So, I'm perfectly fine with KG and Pierce retiring in green.  But I won't be outraged if Ainge can find a way to get 3 or 4 years of that process done in one fell swoop while also giving KG and Pierce better chances to win another ring.

Mike

You mean to contend IN ABOUT 10 years? The team we will able to put together isn't going to contend for anything anytime soon!

So if it's really about contending then he has that team (with a couple tweaks) right now.

How many teams do a fast turnaround to contention? Exactly. Most teams are garbage for YEARS before they even get contender status then even more years until they win.

Sure it's probably quite a long shot for this team as currently constructed to win a title but at least they have a shot! I mean, yes KG and PP are old but they are top 5 at their positions even now! Winning chips is a bit of luck, great talents, and a bit of desperation! Our team has all that... if we can make minor changes who knows what we could do?

Get us Dalembert and a solid PG and we're cooking!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: get_banners on February 16, 2013, 06:02:41 PM
I wonder if a bait and switch isn't in effect. To me, I see a Pierce trade to a contender without much cap room as far more likely because we could (I think) get Pierce back next season (assuming his option isn't picked up). If KG gets traded, he's gone. I get the interest in a trade - we can't realistically compete for a title without our best player and some key reserves. But...the trade needs to net us some real talent in return. KG for Bledsoe/Jordan doesn't really do it for me. Pierce for similar talent could work b/c, again, I could see Pierce returning next year for one final run. But...yeah, I don't see any point in trading either KG or Pierce unless we get really good talent in return b/c they're both still producing, and if they retire, we have lots of cap space (which isn't necessarily great, but at least it gives us some options).
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LooseCannon on February 16, 2013, 06:05:23 PM
I wonder if a bait and switch isn't in effect. To me, I see a Pierce trade to a contender without much cap room as far more likely because we could (I think) get Pierce back next season (assuming his option isn't picked up).

Pierce has a partially guaranteed final year, not an option.  If traded and waived, he couldn't come back.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 16, 2013, 06:16:36 PM
Again, I don't want to trade KG.  I want him to retire a Celtic. 

But out of curiosity, why does DeAndre Jordan only play 25 minutes a game?  He averages 9 points, 7 rebounds and 1.4 blocks on 60% shooting but is only getting 25 minutes a night.  What's up with that?

Even 36 year old KG is getting 30 minutes a night.  Someone like Dwight gets 35 minutes a night.

I'd like KG to retire a Celtic as well.

Jordan plays 25 minutes because he's suited to play 25 minutes.  His game is far too limited for him to be on the floor for very long.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ManUp on February 16, 2013, 06:49:42 PM
He is starting to. I have had very little expectations for him, but that's starting to change. Hopefully he keeps on improving and becomes worthy of the contract.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Eddie20 on February 17, 2013, 05:15:03 AM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8954542/chris-paul-blake-griffin-welcome-kevin-garnett-los-angeles-clippers

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It was pure coincidence but it certainly raised a few eyebrows among the assembled media.

As the NBA All-Stars from the East and West gathered on a makeshift dais to sit on director's chairs before practice on Saturday, Los Angeles Clippers guard Chris Paul and forward Blake Griffin were seated next to Boston Celtics forward Kevin Garnett.

Paul and Griffin were no strangers to the rumors as they sat down next to Garnett.

"I think people are just talking," Paul said. "At the end of the day, who wouldn't want to have Kevin Garnett on their team? I talk about that guy all day, every day, his intensity to the game and how he plays the game. He's a special player. That's a guy right there that I looked up to for a long time. Me and Chauncey (Billups) are really close and he and Chauncey are really close and everything I know about him is that he's a very loyal guy."

"I love the way he competes as a player," Griffin said. "He's a very, very serious competitor. His level of professionalism is off the charts. Every game, I've heard he's the most intense guy to be around. That's tough to do to play as many games as he's played and still have that level of intensity."

As much as Griffin likes the Clippers' roster, he made it clear that there is certainly room for improvement on the team and sometimes personnel moves are a part of that improvement process.

"I think we need to be better," Griffin said. "I think we have enough talent to be a championship contender ... Sometimes you have to plant the seeds and let them grow and all that but with the pieces we have now is the time to continually keep attacking and make those moves to be a championship team."


Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: j804 on February 17, 2013, 06:05:56 AM
KG will not do this to Pierce/Rondo or his family. He didn't sign up to be a trade chip. He's not going anywhere.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: jdz101 on February 17, 2013, 07:19:26 AM
KG will not do this to Pierce/Rondo or his family. He didn't sign up to be a trade chip. He's not going anywhere.

I hope you're right...

Probably going to be hitting refresh on the twitter feeds the next couple of days just to make sure.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/232/252/b66.png)
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: mctyson on February 17, 2013, 09:08:12 AM
I still have yet to hear anyone state how this trade makes sense for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: guava_wrench on February 17, 2013, 10:15:53 AM
KG will not do this to Pierce/Rondo or his family. He didn't sign up to be a trade chip. He's not going anywhere.
Everyone without a no-trade clause signed up to be a trade chip. There's this thing called a CBA.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: libermaniac on February 17, 2013, 10:22:14 AM
I still have yet to hear anyone state how this trade makes sense for the Celtics.

It's all about aquiring young assets for a guy who won't be worth anything to the Celtics in a year or two, when he retires.  If you believe the Celtics have a decent chance at winning the title this year, or next, as currently constructed, then you are against this deal.  Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

For me, it's about winning championships, as soon as I believe there is no chance to win as currently constructed, it's time to begin rebuilding, and gear up for that next title.  This trade would net the Celtics two young talents, that clearly, in two years, will make the Celtics better than if they just keep KG and let him retire a Celtic.

It's also not necessarily a slap in the face for KG.  Who wouldn't want to improve their chance of winning a title before he retires.  In L.A, he would certainly do that.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 10:26:41 AM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CoachBo on February 17, 2013, 10:28:23 AM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.

Amen.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: ssspence on February 17, 2013, 11:02:47 AM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.

Knowing that Jordan is a bit overpaid, and relief from his deal has some strong benfits for LAC's cap over the next couple of summers, I would assume Ainge is at least tying to push some salary into the deal if possible.

Something like Bass for Odom. Something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bhg6ajc

This would be more attractive for the Cs, IMO. Adding Pierce in is another possibility, but it's hard to find ways fot the Clips to come up with enough value in return.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CoachBo on February 17, 2013, 11:04:04 AM
A more likely assumption, given the Millsap talk, is that Ainge isn't talking to the Clippers.

If Ainge moves Garnett for Perkins Lite and Bledsoe, he should be fired.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: snively on February 17, 2013, 11:18:20 AM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.

He's only signed for two years after this one.  Next year is a rebuilding effort and then he's a 26 year old center on an $11 mil expiring contract - very easy to move.

Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CoachBo on February 17, 2013, 11:20:31 AM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.

He's only signed for two years after this one.  Next year is a rebuilding effort and then he's a 26 year old center on an $11 mil expiring contract - very easy to move.

Far too long. His skillset is FAR too limited for his money, as Perkins' skillset is.

I have NO interest whatsoever in Jordan.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Birdman on February 17, 2013, 11:22:36 AM
I still have yet to hear anyone state how this trade makes sense for the Celtics.
It dont..we already have a Bledsoe and thats  Bradley..Jordan is a shot blocker with no offense. Next season we will have Rondo, Bradley, Bledsoe, Terry, PP, AND Lee in the backcourt..Too crowded
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 11:23:37 AM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.

He's only signed for two years after this one.  Next year is a rebuilding effort and then he's a 26 year old center on an $11 mil expiring contract - very easy to move.

So we'd be trading KG for a guy whose biggest contribution may eventually be as an expiring contract?

Doesn't that make you realize why people aren't impressed with this rumor?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: rondohondo on February 17, 2013, 11:28:17 AM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.

He's only signed for two years after this one.  Next year is a rebuilding effort and then he's a 26 year old center on an $11 mil expiring contract - very easy to move.

So we'd be trading KG for a guy whose biggest contribution may eventually be as an expiring contract?

Doesn't that make you realize why people aren't impressed with this rumor?

That why you then flip jordan and rondo for dwight, gives LA a all-star pg and a starting center (both Rondo and Jordan expire the same year as kobe)

C's end up with bledsoe and howard

Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: angryguy77 on February 17, 2013, 11:43:21 AM
Idk which move is the right move, but the people who say "get a few more pieces. " need to consider we've been doing that the last few years and have 0 titles to show for it.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: BballTim on February 17, 2013, 11:48:18 AM
Idk which move is the right move, but the people who say "get a few more pieces. " need to consider we've been doing that the last few years and have 0 titles to show for it.

   There's no guarantees in life. I don't think there's been a year since 2008 where we didn't have a decent chance at a title if we were healthy. You can't ask for anything more than that.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: snively on February 17, 2013, 12:11:47 PM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.

He's only signed for two years after this one.  Next year is a rebuilding effort and then he's a 26 year old center on an $11 mil expiring contract - very easy to move.

So we'd be trading KG for a guy whose biggest contribution may eventually be as an expiring contract?

Doesn't that make you realize why people aren't impressed with this rumor?

Your objection was that he would take up 1/6 of the cap - my point was that wasn't really much of a problem considering our likely position next year and his contract's easy mobility afterward. 

A young center on a deal that shouldn't cause us any problems and a rookie contract guard prospect that we can either keep (and trade Rondo or Bradley) or swap for a lotto pick - that's a pretty useful deal for a team that needs to start accumulating assets.

These are the kind of deals that make sense when you are entering a rebuild.  Young assets that can be developed or moved for other assets.  And if we get bad enough in the interim to a get a better pick all the better.


Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: gpap on February 17, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
I am starting to get the gut feeling that all these "rumors" are a bunch of hogwash.

Don't be surprised if come midnight on February 22, the roster is identical to the way it is now.

Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it's probably what it will be.

Next we are going to hear that Lebron will dealt here for Wilcox.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 17, 2013, 12:28:10 PM
no way
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 17, 2013, 12:33:27 PM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.

He's only signed for two years after this one.  Next year is a rebuilding effort and then he's a 26 year old center on an $11 mil expiring contract - very easy to move.

So we'd be trading KG for a guy whose biggest contribution may eventually be as an expiring contract?

Doesn't that make you realize why people aren't impressed with this rumor?

That why you then flip jordan and rondo for dwight, gives LA a all-star pg and a starting center (both Rondo and Jordan expire the same year as kobe)

C's end up with bledsoe and howard

You do realize that trading KG, just so you can flip Rondo and Jordan for Howard is one of the most terrible trade ideas I've ever seen?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: jambr380 on February 17, 2013, 12:40:33 PM
Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

Not really.  Some of us don't want to see the Celtics spend over 1/6th of their cap on a player as limited as DeAndre Jordan.

He's only signed for two years after this one.  Next year is a rebuilding effort and then he's a 26 year old center on an $11 mil expiring contract - very easy to move.

So we'd be trading KG for a guy whose biggest contribution may eventually be as an expiring contract?

Doesn't that make you realize why people aren't impressed with this rumor?

That why you then flip jordan and rondo for dwight, gives LA a all-star pg and a starting center (both Rondo and Jordan expire the same year as kobe)

C's end up with bledsoe and howard

You do realize that trading KG, just so you can flip Rondo and Jordan for Howard is one of the most terrible trade ideas I've ever seen?

It's not that it's the worst ever, it's just that isn't necessary to give up so much. Honestly, you may be able to get Howard in a three-way deal with Bledsoe and Jordan going to LAL and Garnett going to LAC - no way am I giving up Rondo and Jordan for Howard - his value is as low as it is ever going to get...
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: soap07 on February 17, 2013, 01:00:37 PM
How do you not do this deal? The Celtics team is not contending. Eric Bledsoe and DeAndre Jordan are excellent young prospects - and you are trading a declining 36 year old who is going to retire soon. We haven't been true contenders for the last two years.

Did someone in this thread say Bledsoe can't shoot? He's shooting 43% from 3.


Did someone also say Jordan is a below average center? He's 24 years old and has an almost 17 PER and is only getting better.

I really don't want to watch this team be mediocre (as it has been this year) for the next couple years.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: dinome18 on February 17, 2013, 01:16:49 PM
How do you not do this deal? The Celtics team is not contending. Eric Bledsoe and DeAndre Jordan are excellent young prospects - and you are trading a declining 36 year old who is going to retire soon. We haven't been true contenders for the last two years.

Did someone in this thread say Bledsoe can't shoot? He's shooting 43% from 3.


Did someone also say Jordan is a below average center? He's 24 years old and has an almost 17 PER and is only getting better.

I really don't want to watch this team be mediocre (as it has been this year) for the next couple years.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: dinome18 on February 17, 2013, 01:17:18 PM
How do you not do this deal? The Celtics team is not contending. Eric Bledsoe and DeAndre Jordan are excellent young prospects - and you are trading a declining 36 year old who is going to retire soon. We haven't been true contenders for the last two years.

Did someone in this thread say Bledsoe can't shoot? He's shooting 43% from 3.


Did someone also say Jordan is a below average center? He's 24 years old and has an almost 17 PER and is only getting better.

I really don't want to watch this team be mediocre (as it has been this year) for the next couple years.
Agreed!!
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Kane3387 on February 17, 2013, 01:39:22 PM
You won't get a better package for KG.

But I would still like to see us add to the team and try to make a run at it.

Outside of Miami the east is wide open and you just never know.  I mean if Lebron were to get something like a concussion in a playoff series and was forced to sit out games, then everything changes.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 01:47:46 PM
Any new news here?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 17, 2013, 02:05:03 PM
You won't get a better package for KG.

But I would still like to see us add to the team and try to make a run at it.

Outside of Miami the east is wide open and you just never know.  I mean if Lebron were to get something like a concussion in a playoff series and was forced to sit out games, then everything changes.

Why are people so afraid of competing against LeBron? It's been the same crap for the past 5 or so years, and LeBron has won the championship only once, and he barely got it last year.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Celtics18 on February 17, 2013, 03:02:02 PM
You won't get a better package for KG.

But I would still like to see us add to the team and try to make a run at it.

Outside of Miami the east is wide open and you just never know.  I mean if Lebron were to get something like a concussion in a playoff series and was forced to sit out games, then everything changes.

Why are people so afraid of competing against LeBron? It's been the same crap for the past 5 or so years, and LeBron has won the championship only once, and he barely got it last year.

I agree.  I wouldn't want to play the Heat in the playoffs without James.  I want to see what we can do against them at full health. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: scaryjerry on February 17, 2013, 04:03:22 PM
How do you not do this deal? The Celtics team is not contending. Eric Bledsoe and DeAndre Jordan are excellent young prospects - and you are trading a declining 36 year old who is going to retire soon. We haven't been true contenders for the last two years.

Did someone in this thread say Bledsoe can't shoot? He's shooting 43% from 3.


Did someone also say Jordan is a below average center? He's 24 years old and has an almost 17 PER and is only getting better.

I really don't want to watch this team be mediocre (as it has been this year) for the next couple years.

You don't want this team to be mediocre but want to get rid of kg for Bledsoe and Jordan? Make up your mind

That team will be worse than mediocre
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LooseCannon on February 17, 2013, 04:15:50 PM

Well, "worse than mediocre" is not the same as "mediocre" [Hint: it's worse], so it is consistent with not wanting the team to be mediocre.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: kozlodoev on February 17, 2013, 04:18:44 PM
Did someone also say Jordan is a below average center? He's 24 years old and has an almost 17 PER and is only getting better.
Can you please explain why this should be true? Certainly not because he's 24.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: jdz101 on February 17, 2013, 04:23:25 PM
Did someone also say Jordan is a below average center? He's 24 years old and has an almost 17 PER and is only getting better.
Can you please explain why this should be true? Certainly not because he's 24.

I'll add that Ryan Anderson's PER was the best in the league for a while last season...do we offer the house for Ryan Anderson??

Deandre Jordan has no shooting touch, post game or free throw ability. In fact other than alley oop lobs, he has no offensive game at all.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: kozlodoev on February 17, 2013, 04:26:06 PM
Did someone also say Jordan is a below average center? He's 24 years old and has an almost 17 PER and is only getting better.
Can you please explain why this should be true? Certainly not because he's 24.

I'll add that Ryan Anderson's PER was the best in the league for a while last season...do we offer the house for Ryan Anderson??
I wouldn't mind having Ryan Anderson. But that's not the point here.

I don't see idea that Jordan "will only be getting better" as any sort of universal truth.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: slamdunk on February 17, 2013, 04:38:41 PM
Could the clippers be tampering here? No inside information just curious.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LooseCannon on February 17, 2013, 04:39:27 PM
Did someone also say Jordan is a below average center? He's 24 years old and has an almost 17 PER and is only getting better.
Can you please explain why this should be true? Certainly not because he's 24.

I'll add that Ryan Anderson's PER was the best in the league for a while last season...do we offer the house for Ryan Anderson??

While I do not believe in PER as a stat, if I had DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe, I would trade them for Ryan Anderson.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CoachBo on February 17, 2013, 04:40:31 PM
PER is just another garbage piece of sabremetrics overemployed to overvalue players.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: thirstyboots18 on February 17, 2013, 05:06:29 PM
KG came back with the understanding that Danny was going to try to contend.  To trade him now is a betrayal.

1.  Rondo is done for the year.  So is Sully and Barbosa.  For this team to contend now would be one of the greatest and most totally unexplainable things to ever happen in sports history.  I mean, can anyone think of a team in Boston's situation that EVER won a championship?

2.  KG would have to agree to any trade.  You can't betray someone when you have to get their consent to do it.

3.  Ainge's responsibility is to think about contending for the next 10 years and beyond, not just this year.

I lived through the post-Bird years and unless a couple of really good players just up and die on the Celtics and we get a complete buffoon like Pitino running things again, I feel safe in saying that the rebuilding process won't be anywhere near as bad as that.  So, I'm perfectly fine with KG and Pierce retiring in green.  But I won't be outraged if Ainge can find a way to get 3 or 4 years of that process done in one fell swoop while also giving KG and Pierce better chances to win another ring.

Mike

You mean to contend IN ABOUT 10 years? The team we will able to put together isn't going to contend for anything anytime soon!

So if it's really about contending then he has that team (with a couple tweaks) right now.

How many teams do a fast turnaround to contention? Exactly. Most teams are garbage for YEARS before they even get contender status then even more years until they win.

Sure it's probably quite a long shot for this team as currently constructed to win a title but at least they have a shot! I mean, yes KG and PP are old but they are top 5 at their positions even now! Winning chips is a bit of luck, great talents, and a bit of desperation! Our team has all that... if we can make minor changes who knows what we could do?

Get us Dalembert and a solid PG and we're cooking!
TP Shak.  Probabilities are limiting numbers, not facts.  I prefer possiblilities.  As KG said, "Anything is possible!"
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: mctyson on February 17, 2013, 05:41:11 PM
I still have yet to hear anyone state how this trade makes sense for the Celtics.

It's all about aquiring young assets for a guy who won't be worth anything to the Celtics in a year or two, when he retires.  If you believe the Celtics have a decent chance at winning the title this year, or next, as currently constructed, then you are against this deal.  Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

For me, it's about winning championships, as soon as I believe there is no chance to win as currently constructed, it's time to begin rebuilding, and gear up for that next title.  This trade would net the Celtics two young talents, that clearly, in two years, will make the Celtics better than if they just keep KG and let him retire a Celtic.

It's also not necessarily a slap in the face for KG.  Who wouldn't want to improve their chance of winning a title before he retires.  In L.A, he would certainly do that.

I will restate my earlier point:  I have yet to hear how this trade makes any sense for the Celtics.

I will also expand on your points.  Little do you discuss how valuable KG is to this franchise, how ANY Celtic team with him on it is considerably closer to winning a championship than without him.  You state that the trade is a "no brainer" once you have concluded that the Celtics cannot win a title as currently constructed, which I am assuming you believe.

There are maybe 2-3 teams in the entire league whose fan bases can wake up tomorrow and say "we can win a title."  So, by your logic, all of these teams should be following the same path this proposed Celtics trade is following - dumping their best players for whatever else some team will give them, so long as it is different and young and an asset and all that crap.

KG is not Antoine Walker.  He is not Kendrick Perkins.  He is not even Ray Allen.  He is without question the most important player this franchise has had for at least the last 6 years, arguably since Larry Bird.  He is still playing at a high level, still leading a defense that can put up near-historic defensive statistics, and the team is still highly dependent on him every night.  He is the center-piece of a squad that NO TEAM wants to face in the playoffs, and that includes the defending champions with the 3-time MVP who is playing at his all-time best right now.

So no, this is not some "no brainer" deal, as you put it.  Maybe the Celtics have a 1% chance of winning the title.  Trading away the heart and soul  that gets us that 1%, for a couple border-line starters who may or may not make this franchise any better in the long run is by no means a "no brainer." 

I would much rather watch this great Hall of Fame player every day for as long as he wants to play.

DeAndre Jordan???  Please.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: MBunge on February 17, 2013, 06:32:51 PM
for a couple border-line starters who may or may not make this franchise any better in the long run is by no means a "no brainer." 

I'm not demanding a trade for KG, but this attitude is as wrongheaded as the "break up the team at the drop of a hat" thinking.

Deandre Jordan is not a borderline starter and Bledsoe is superior to Avery Bradley in just about everything except defense.

Mike
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: FallGuy on February 17, 2013, 06:33:46 PM
The point of dealing for Bledsoe and Jordan is that they're highly marketable pieces around the league. Don't think of them as future core Celtics pieces but as parts that may eventually net a superstar.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hwangjini_1 on February 17, 2013, 06:44:03 PM
I still have yet to hear anyone state how this trade makes sense for the Celtics.

It's all about aquiring young assets for a guy who won't be worth anything to the Celtics in a year or two, when he retires.  If you believe the Celtics have a decent chance at winning the title this year, or next, as currently constructed, then you are against this deal.  Otherwise, it's a no brainer. 

For me, it's about winning championships, as soon as I believe there is no chance to win as currently constructed, it's time to begin rebuilding, and gear up for that next title.  This trade would net the Celtics two young talents, that clearly, in two years, will make the Celtics better than if they just keep KG and let him retire a Celtic.

It's also not necessarily a slap in the face for KG.  Who wouldn't want to improve their chance of winning a title before he retires.  In L.A, he would certainly do that.

I will restate my earlier point:  I have yet to hear how this trade makes any sense for the Celtics.

I will also expand on your points.  Little do you discuss how valuable KG is to this franchise, how ANY Celtic team with him on it is considerably closer to winning a championship than without him.  You state that the trade is a "no brainer" once you have concluded that the Celtics cannot win a title as currently constructed, which I am assuming you believe.

There are maybe 2-3 teams in the entire league whose fan bases can wake up tomorrow and say "we can win a title."  So, by your logic, all of these teams should be following the same path this proposed Celtics trade is following - dumping their best players for whatever else some team will give them, so long as it is different and young and an asset and all that crap.

KG is not Antoine Walker.  He is not Kendrick Perkins.  He is not even Ray Allen.  He is without question the most important player this franchise has had for at least the last 6 years, arguably since Larry Bird.  He is still playing at a high level, still leading a defense that can put up near-historic defensive statistics, and the team is still highly dependent on him every night.  He is the center-piece of a squad that NO TEAM wants to face in the playoffs, and that includes the defending champions with the 3-time MVP who is playing at his all-time best right now.

So no, this is not some "no brainer" deal, as you put it.  Maybe the Celtics have a 1% chance of winning the title.  Trading away the heart and soul  that gets us that 1%, for a couple border-line starters who may or may not make this franchise any better in the long run is by no means a "no brainer." 

I would much rather watch this great Hall of Fame player every day for as long as he wants to play.

DeAndre Jordan???  Please.

nicely stated mt....though i think a tad more highly of jordan than you may, all in all a good post. tp.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: TripleOT on February 17, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
The point of dealing for Bledsoe and Jordan is that they're highly marketable pieces around the league. Don't think of them as future core Celtics pieces but as parts that may eventually net a superstar.

Bingo.  DJ would be a serviceable rim protector and rebounder, and would be valuable in trades.  I think Bledsoe will become a star PG, and would either bring back a lot of value in trade, or allow the Cs to move Rondo for quality. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 17, 2013, 08:08:09 PM
I'm not for trading KG, but with that said, it's AMAZING how so many celtics fans consider Bradley a franchise savior and untouchable, and had considered Perkins so highly, yet they consider Bledsoe a mediocre backup pg, even though he is clearly far more talented that Bradley AND only a backup because he's playing behind CP3, and they dump on Deandre Jordan even though he's better, and younger, more athletic, and healthier than Perkins.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: mctyson on February 17, 2013, 08:14:37 PM
for a couple border-line starters who may or may not make this franchise any better in the long run is by no means a "no brainer." 

I'm not demanding a trade for KG, but this attitude is as wrongheaded as the "break up the team at the drop of a hat" thinking.

Deandre Jordan is not a borderline starter and Bledsoe is superior to Avery Bradley in just about everything except defense.

Mike

Please explain to me how "Bledsoe is better than Avery Bradley" is a justification for trading Kevin Garnett.  Then we can discuss whether the attitude is wrongheaded.

I just don't think people here understand how bad the Celtics would be without KG. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 17, 2013, 08:19:15 PM
for a couple border-line starters who may or may not make this franchise any better in the long run is by no means a "no brainer." 

I'm not demanding a trade for KG, but this attitude is as wrongheaded as the "break up the team at the drop of a hat" thinking.

Deandre Jordan is not a borderline starter and Bledsoe is superior to Avery Bradley in just about everything except defense.

Mike

Please explain to me how "Bledsoe is better than Avery Bradley" is a justification for trading Kevin Garnett.  Then we can discuss whether the attitude is wrongheaded.

I just don't think people here understand how bad the Celtics would be without KG.

I think most people here understand very well that the celtics would be awful without KG. It's painfully obvious every time he sits out during a game. That's not why some people are up for trading him. It's because he's got maybe half a season to 1 and a half seasons left in him, and we are going to see the celtics without KG very soon one way or another. The difference is that if we trade him at least we get something of value in return when he leaves.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: mctyson on February 17, 2013, 08:30:48 PM
for a couple border-line starters who may or may not make this franchise any better in the long run is by no means a "no brainer." 

I'm not demanding a trade for KG, but this attitude is as wrongheaded as the "break up the team at the drop of a hat" thinking.

Deandre Jordan is not a borderline starter and Bledsoe is superior to Avery Bradley in just about everything except defense.

Mike

Please explain to me how "Bledsoe is better than Avery Bradley" is a justification for trading Kevin Garnett.  Then we can discuss whether the attitude is wrongheaded.

I just don't think people here understand how bad the Celtics would be without KG.

I think most people here understand very well that the celtics would be awful without KG. It's painfully obvious every time he sits out during a game. That's not why some people are up for trading him. It's because he's got maybe half a season to 1 and a half seasons left in him, and we are going to see the celtics without KG very soon one way or another. The difference is that if we trade him at least we get something of value in return when he leaves.

But those in favor of this deal automatically assume $11M for DeAndre Jordan for 3 years is value.  It automatically assumes that adding Bledsoe to a team with Rondo under contract for 2 more years and Bradley on his rookie deal...is value.  It may be.  I am not going to judge that end of the proposed trade - no one knows how it would work out.

The burden is on supporters of the deal to explain, in detail, how this benefits the franchise now and in the future.  Saying that we should just trade KG because he is going to retire is not a good reason.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 17, 2013, 08:38:42 PM
for a couple border-line starters who may or may not make this franchise any better in the long run is by no means a "no brainer." 

I'm not demanding a trade for KG, but this attitude is as wrongheaded as the "break up the team at the drop of a hat" thinking.

Deandre Jordan is not a borderline starter and Bledsoe is superior to Avery Bradley in just about everything except defense.

Mike

Please explain to me how "Bledsoe is better than Avery Bradley" is a justification for trading Kevin Garnett.  Then we can discuss whether the attitude is wrongheaded.

I just don't think people here understand how bad the Celtics would be without KG.

I think most people here understand very well that the celtics would be awful without KG. It's painfully obvious every time he sits out during a game. That's not why some people are up for trading him. It's because he's got maybe half a season to 1 and a half seasons left in him, and we are going to see the celtics without KG very soon one way or another. The difference is that if we trade him at least we get something of value in return when he leaves.

But those in favor of this deal automatically assume $11M for DeAndre Jordan for 3 years is value.  It automatically assumes that adding Bledsoe to a team with Rondo under contract for 2 more years and Bradley on his rookie deal...is value.  It may be.  I am not going to judge that end of the proposed trade - no one knows how it would work out.

The burden is on supporters of the deal to explain, in detail, how this benefits the franchise now and in the future.  Saying that we should just trade KG because he is going to retire is not a good reason.

This trade would not be made to benefit the franchise now, it would be for the future. Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG. The purpose of acquiring him would be to have a very tradeable asset. Same for Jordan. Good young defensive centers are rare in today's NBA. There will be no lack of contenders who would be willing to give good value for him a year from now.

If Ainge were to do this deal, it would be because he believes this season is over with no Rondo, Sullinger, and Barbosa, and that KG will likely retire next year. If he's sure KG plays next year, it may be worth keeping him and making one last run with Rondo and Sullinger back, but heck, how would Rondo re-integrate himself on this team next year?

It may be difficult to pass up getting valuable assets for KG if the offer comes up. We lost Ray for nothing, may lose Pierce for nothing, and are not in good shape to contend this year.

I personally wouldn't trade KG, but I see the value in doing so.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 08:48:55 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CoachBo on February 17, 2013, 08:55:34 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

The same logic that conflates a very limited, vastly overpaid center in Jordan whose contract is hardly an asset.

Not to mention the same illogic behind "trade Garnett because he's going to retire soon." Return matters, and Jordan and Bledsoe is a woefully inadequate return.

This proposed trade is truly a SMH moment.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 17, 2013, 08:57:48 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

Let's see if you still believe this statement a year from now.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 17, 2013, 08:59:15 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

The same logic that conflates a very limited, vastly overpaid center in Jordan whose contract is hardly an asset.

Not to mention the same illogic behind "trade Garnett because he's going to retire soon." Return matters, and Jordan and Bledsoe is a woefully inadequate return.

This proposed trade is truly a SMH moment.

Who do you expect to get for a player at the end of his career? Eric Gordon? Al Jefferson?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 09:00:28 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

Let's see if you still believe this statement a year from now.

Do you disagree that to date, he's been a poor shooter and passer?

"Wait and see" isn't a great reason to make a trade, in my mind.  I think asking somebody to justify why Bledsoe is going to be a "star PG" is a fair question.   
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: PhoSita on February 17, 2013, 09:02:15 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

For what it's worth, Bledsoe's advanced stats are pretty good this season, and he has been extremely productive per-minute coming off the bench.  Less so when he was playing as the starter.

Bledsoe's always shown flashes with his speed, athleticism, and finishing ability. 

I think Bledsoe is a classic example of a guy who tantalizes because he could be really good if he makes the leap to starter -- if he can do for 35-36 minutes a night what he now does now in short shifts off the bench -- and he can flesh out some of the less developed areas of his game (shooting, passing).

If what he is now is more or less all he's going to be, though, he's just an okay player who gives you a highlight reel play now and then.

The reason the Clips should want to trade him now is that he has one  year left on his deal.  He has value to a team that might look to start him at either of the guard spots for the rest of the season and beyond that to get a real gauge of his value long term before giving him a deal. 

If the Clips keep him until his rookie deal expires, they'll have to gamble by giving him the kind of contract he'll probably want, or they'll have to let him go for nothing.  Or maybe his stock will drop a lot over the next season or so.  In any case, they'll have missed the opportunity to sell high.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Chief on February 17, 2013, 09:03:49 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

Let's see if you still believe this statement a year from now.

Do you disagree that to date, he's been a poor shooter and passer?

"Wait and see" isn't a great reason to make a trade, in my mind.  I think asking somebody to justify why Bledsoe is going to be a "star PG" is a fair question.

He's good at dunking. ;)
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 17, 2013, 09:04:27 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

Let's see if you still believe this statement a year from now.

Do you disagree that to date, he's been a poor shooter and passer?

"Wait and see" isn't a great reason to make a trade, in my mind.  I think asking somebody to justify why Bledsoe is going to be a "star PG" is a fair question.

He's been a poor outside shooter, sure. He has vastly improved his 3pt shot lately, and gets to the basket easily. He is extremely athletic, and he fills up every statistical category both offensive and defensive in short minutes. When he started, he was shaky for a few games and then settled down and produced at a high level. He's been nicknamed baby Lebron because he is basically a shorter Lebron, who was also not a good  outside shooter his first few years in the league. His stats in his first 2 years are as good or better than Rondo's were in his 1st 2 years. He's also backing up CP3.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LooseCannon on February 17, 2013, 09:08:31 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

I'm not sure if they believe he will be a "star", but it has been reported consistently for a year now that teams have inquired about Bledsoe as a possible starting PG.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: PhoSita on February 17, 2013, 09:08:38 PM
Bledsoe is shooting over 40% on threes this season on 1.7 attempts per 36.  So he's not a terrible outside shooter.

I don't know how he is as a mid-range shooter, though.  And I imagine those threes are basically all spot-up attempts off dishes from CP3.

His scoring per-36 won't blow you away, either.  But defensively he has a great reputation, and for good reason -- he makes a lot of athletic defensive plays.  The kind of plays that Avery Bradley tends to make (e.g. block on Wade).

Pairing Bledsoe and Bradley in the backcourt could be pretty exciting -- with more offensive upside than the current Bradley / Lee pairing.  And if it really worked out it could allow them to explore trading Rondo for a younger wing or big man.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: hpantazo on February 17, 2013, 09:14:29 PM
Bledsoe is shooting over 40% on threes this season on 1.7 attempts per 36.  So he's not a terrible outside shooter.


Yes, his 3pt shot has improved a lot this year. He's like Bradley but with much more offensive skills.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: BballTim on February 17, 2013, 09:30:14 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

Let's see if you still believe this statement a year from now.

Do you disagree that to date, he's been a poor shooter and passer?

"Wait and see" isn't a great reason to make a trade, in my mind.  I think asking somebody to justify why Bledsoe is going to be a "star PG" is a fair question.

  He's a decent scorer, not a great pg, but there are a lot of players like that in the league.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 17, 2013, 09:48:14 PM
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Bledsoe is a very valuable young guard who many believe will be a star PG.

What is this based upon, I wonder?  Bledsoe is a pretty poor shooter (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01/shooting/2013/), and his assist rate is pretty bad.

Let's see if you still believe this statement a year from now.

Do you disagree that to date, he's been a poor shooter and passer?

"Wait and see" isn't a great reason to make a trade, in my mind.  I think asking somebody to justify why Bledsoe is going to be a "star PG" is a fair question.

  He's a decent scorer, not a great pg, but there are a lot of players like that in the league.

Plus, next year we'll potentially have Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee, and Bledsoe for guards.  That's way too many, and only two of those are consistent outside shooters.

I don't like the Jordan and Bledsoe package at all.  I'd rather keep KG.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LooseCannon on February 17, 2013, 09:52:06 PM
Plus, next year we'll potentially have Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee, and Bledsoe for guards.  That's way too many, and only two of those are consistent outside shooters.

No team with five capable guards on it roster could ever run into a situation where they have a guard shortage.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 17, 2013, 09:56:14 PM
Plus, next year we'll potentially have Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee, and Bledsoe for guards.  That's way too many, and only two of those are consistent outside shooters.

No team with five capable guards on it roster could ever run into a situation where they have a guard shortage.

*ahem*

2012-2013 Boston Celtics

Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee, Barbosa

Rondo and Barbosa tear ACL

Bradley, Terry, Lee

It's happened.  And it sucks.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: LooseCannon on February 17, 2013, 10:06:30 PM
And it's why potentially having Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee, and Bledsoe for guards shouldn't be described as "way too many".
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 17, 2013, 10:09:41 PM
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I don't like the Jordan and Bledsoe package at all.  I'd rather keep KG.

Even if he retires?   Then we have nothing to show for him.  We are not winning it this year.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 17, 2013, 10:09:42 PM
And it's why potentially having Rondo, Bradley, Terry, Lee, and Bledsoe for guards shouldn't be described as "way too many".

Sorry, I should have clarified.

Too many 'guards who need more than a DNP CD.'

Barbosa's play after Rondo's injury showed that Doc just didn't have enough minutes to hand out.

There's nothing wrong with having five guards, but three, MAYBE four, should be earning minutes, barring an injury.

Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 17, 2013, 10:11:15 PM
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I don't like the Jordan and Bledsoe package at all.  I'd rather keep KG.

Even if he retires?   Then we have nothing to show for him.  We are not winning it this year.

I understand that, but I love KG so much I'd love to see him retire in green, even if it hurts the team long-term.  Same for Pierce, too.

Please let me be a selfish fan.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 17, 2013, 10:13:23 PM
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I don't like the Jordan and Bledsoe package at all.  I'd rather keep KG.

Even if he retires?   Then we have nothing to show for him.  We are not winning it this year.

I understand that, but I love KG so much I'd love to see him retire in green, even if it hurts the team long-term.  Same for Pierce, too.

Please let me be a selfish fan.

I agree. I'd rather lose games than lose KG/Pierce
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 17, 2013, 10:28:09 PM
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I agree. I'd rather lose games than lose KG/Pierce

Either way, a rebuild means losing games, this year or next year....
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: jdz101 on February 17, 2013, 10:35:30 PM
Bledsoe was never on the table according to clippers management.

Noone has given me any reason to believe that trading KG for deandre jordan this year would assist in the rebuild either.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: colincb on February 17, 2013, 11:47:47 PM
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I don't like the Jordan and Bledsoe package at all.  I'd rather keep KG.

Even if he retires?   Then we have nothing to show for him.  We are not winning it this year.
Even if he retires. Not interested in Jordan's contract.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Q_FBE on February 18, 2013, 12:04:28 PM
I think it the Clipper management bothering Danny Ainge to make this deal. I certainly do not advocate trading KG for Eric Bledsoe and Deandre Jordan.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: soap07 on February 18, 2013, 01:14:02 PM
On DeAndre Jordan: He is an excellent rebounder, defender, shot blocker and athlete to boot. I chuckle at the folks who say his only offensive ability is to throw down lobs...as if that's an easy offensive ability that should be dismissed outright.

Bledsoe can get to the rim at will, is a good defender and has improved his shooting.

People understand that this team isn't going anywhere right now? And doesn't have many, if any, trade pieces?

Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Fafnir on February 18, 2013, 01:16:00 PM
On DeAndre Jordan: He is an excellent rebounder, defender, shot blocker and athlete to boot. I chuckle at the folks who say his only offensive ability is to throw down lobs...as if that's an easy offensive ability that should be dismissed outright.

Bledsoe can get to the rim at will, is a good defender and has improved his shooting.

People understand that this team isn't going anywhere right now? And doesn't have many, if any, trade pieces?
The issue is that he's not a great defender, and offensively he is rather limited. This is why his minutes are so limited and why people are hesisitant to trade for him.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: soap07 on February 18, 2013, 01:16:54 PM
Also, Bledsoe is an excellent rebounder for a guard, FWIW.

I mean, really? What else are you guys expecting in a trade for KG? Who will trade better blue chip prospects for a declining 36-37 year old who is going to retire soon?
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CoachBo on February 18, 2013, 01:17:48 PM
On DeAndre Jordan: He is an excellent rebounder, defender, shot blocker and athlete to boot. I chuckle at the folks who say his only offensive ability is to throw down lobs...as if that's an easy offensive ability that should be dismissed outright.

Bledsoe can get to the rim at will, is a good defender and has improved his shooting. Bledsoe can't shoot, either.

SMH at threads like this.

People understand that this team isn't going anywhere right now? And doesn't have many, if any, trade pieces?
The issue is that he's not a great defender, and offensively he is rather limited. This is why his minutes are so limited and why people are hesisitant to trade for him.
Well said. Calling him an excellent defender is wildly off base.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 18, 2013, 01:19:40 PM
On DeAndre Jordan: He is an excellent rebounder, defender, shot blocker and athlete to boot. I chuckle at the folks who say his only offensive ability is to throw down lobs...as if that's an easy offensive ability that should be dismissed outright.

Bledsoe can get to the rim at will, is a good defender and has improved his shooting. Bledsoe can't shoot, either.

SMH at threads like this.

People understand that this team isn't going anywhere right now? And doesn't have many, if any, trade pieces?
The issue is that he's not a great defender, and offensively he is rather limited. This is why his minutes are so limited and why people are hesisitant to trade for him.
Well said. Calling him an excellent defender is wildly off base.

In my opinion, Jordan is really just an athletic Stiemsma.  That's all he is.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: thirstyboots18 on February 18, 2013, 01:22:40 PM
On DeAndre Jordan: He is an excellent rebounder, defender, shot blocker and athlete to boot. I chuckle at the folks who say his only offensive ability is to throw down lobs...as if that's an easy offensive ability that should be dismissed outright.

Bledsoe can get to the rim at will, is a good defender and has improved his shooting.

People understand that this team isn't going anywhere right now? And doesn't have many, if any, trade pieces?
...I am sure that those of us who do not "understand" will be enlightened by those of us who do. 
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: azzenfrost on February 18, 2013, 01:24:24 PM
It's up to KG and he said No. Let's move on.
Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: soap07 on February 18, 2013, 01:27:36 PM
On DeAndre Jordan: He is an excellent rebounder, defender, shot blocker and athlete to boot. I chuckle at the folks who say his only offensive ability is to throw down lobs...as if that's an easy offensive ability that should be dismissed outright.

Bledsoe can get to the rim at will, is a good defender and has improved his shooting. Bledsoe can't shoot, either.

SMH at threads like this.

People understand that this team isn't going anywhere right now? And doesn't have many, if any, trade pieces?
The issue is that he's not a great defender, and offensively he is rather limited. This is why his minutes are so limited and why people are hesisitant to trade for him.
Well said. Calling him an excellent defender is wildly off base.

Hey guys, I know facts are a little tough to accept sometimes when it goes against your pre-conceived narrative but let's start here:

The Clippers give up 104.7 points per 100 possessions with Bledsoe off the court. 101.8 with him on it.

Of course he's not going to get much time in this backcourt. VDN has traditionally always trusted veterans and on a team with the best point guard in the league, Billups, Crawford and Willie Green, of course he will only get 20 minutes a game.

According to 82games, the second best line up for the Clippers outside of the starting line up:  Bledsoe-Crawford-Barnes-Odom-Turiaf.


EDIT: I'm a moron and didn't read who you were talking about. You were all referring to Jordan. Not Bledsoe.

Title: Re: Spears and Wojo confirm Celtics and Clippers talking KG
Post by: Smokeeye123 on February 18, 2013, 01:28:52 PM
It's up to KG and he said No. Let's move on.

Yes but if Danny came to KG and said "we have a direction we'd like to go to rebuild and we are going to be shipping you and Paul to contenders in the process" I doubt KG would say "Nah bro im staying".