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Title: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 15, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/Michael-Jordan/michael-jordan-not-left-building

LeBron, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki.

he snubbed KG (and a ton of other players) even though KG literally played in that era at a high level. Michael Jordan is a narcissistic, delusional, emotional trainwreck of a human being and always has been. I knew that before his HOF acceptance speech, but that moment should have removed all doubt for the public at large.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: PhoSita on February 15, 2013, 05:13:27 PM
Yeah, personally I don't particularly care what Jordan thinks.  He was a great player, but his resume as a person who makes management decisions for a team show that he's not a reliable assessor of other players.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 05:16:43 PM
It's just a stupid opinion.  At least 3/4 of today's league would fit in fine back in the mid-90s.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: CelticG1 on February 15, 2013, 05:20:00 PM
Yeah, personally I don't particularly care what Jordan thinks.  He was a great player, but his resume as a person who makes management decisions for a team show that he's not a reliable assessor of other players.

That is rather comical actually. His assesment of players really doesn't seem too accurate.

The whole comment is kind of pathetic. He seems to be pretty defensive with his comments over the years

As mentioned KG and Grant Hill and Rasheed Wallace and Jason Kidd and others played in that era and did pretty well id say. And if they didn't play exactly in his era they were pretty darn close.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: slamdunk on February 15, 2013, 05:21:27 PM
I think he's being generous. LeBron's the only one that could play in that era.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: ScottHow on February 15, 2013, 05:22:53 PM
He's an idiot. I can't stand Jordan. He's always come off as a defensive little baby when it comes to who could even be in the same room as him.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: vinnie on February 15, 2013, 05:23:00 PM
He needs to spend a little more time on the fine job he is doing in Charlotte
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: rondohondo on February 15, 2013, 05:24:17 PM
Total Narcacist , he's in love with himself. Penny looked kind of annoyed too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKlkf83qk3Q
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 05:24:30 PM
Yeah, personally I don't particularly care what Jordan thinks.  He was a great player, but his resume as a person who makes management decisions for a team show that he's not a reliable assessor of other players.

This.  Charlotte is the worst franchise in the NBA right now, thanks in large part to his blunders.  His comments and his actions as GM indicate that he's completely out of touch with the current NBA.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: rondohondo on February 15, 2013, 05:25:30 PM
oops double post
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 05:32:27 PM
It's just a stupid opinion.  At least 3/4 of today's league would fit in fine back in the mid-90s.

And only 3/4 of the mid-90s would fit in fine in today's league. Times are changing.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: scaryjerry on February 15, 2013, 05:37:39 PM
just because he was the greatest doesn't mean his opinion is right...

I say get over it, and no kg was never really at a high level in that era...he was a2 guard in a 7  footers body, skinny, afraid to play center teenager at the end of the Jordan era...although I've heard other quotes from his camps where he loves kg
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: blink on February 15, 2013, 05:39:17 PM
It's just a stupid opinion.  At least 3/4 of today's league would fit in fine back in the mid-90s.

And only 3/4 of the mid-90s would fit in fine in today's league. Times are changing.

What does 'fit' mean anyway?  Jordan just likes hearing the sound of his own voice, even if what he is saying doesn't make any sense.  If that means those are the only (4) players he 'respects' then it is just idiotic.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 15, 2013, 05:44:16 PM
Lol why are you guys so mad over his opinion? Not that serious. Also about his bad drafting, that's different. When you draft you're gambling on what you think a player may become. Jordan is talking about players that are already developed and has shown what they can do. He might be bad with evaluating prospects but hes not an idiot. He knows a thing or two about basketball.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: jambr380 on February 15, 2013, 05:47:52 PM
Yeah, personally I don't particularly care what Jordan thinks.  He was a great player, but his resume as a person who makes management decisions for a team show that he's not a reliable assessor of other players.

This.  Charlotte is the worst franchise in the NBA right now, thanks in large part to his blunders.  His comments and his actions as GM indicate that he's completely out of touch with the current NBA.


Don't forget about Kwame Brown in Washington. That pick set the franchise back for years.

And I agree with Roy - at least 75% of players of today would have been just fine back then...maybe he just means leading their teams to championships. If not, it is a pretty pompous thing to say.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: JoT on February 15, 2013, 05:56:54 PM
My only gripe is that he left out KG, but that's his opinion and he can say what he wants.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: wiley on February 15, 2013, 06:01:02 PM
One of the dumbest things an ex great in any sport has ever said. 
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: More Banners on February 15, 2013, 06:08:13 PM
Wow.  That is so comletely untrue.

His "era" was right after expansion came on pretty hard.  McHale actually wrote an article in the mid-90's that expressed that the league was watered-down by expansion, which is why each team basically got one star, two on the good teams.

And the Jordan "era" involved some of the worst iso-heavy offense in the history of the NBA.

It's taken years for more talent to fill into the NBA so that teams could have 2 stars per team (e.g. Pierce/Toine) and some good/great role players and be a solid winner.

Jordan...what a prick.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Snakehead on February 15, 2013, 06:09:53 PM
ha I love how we listen to what Jordan has to say like this when we know he is so competitive that of course he will snub someone like LeBron who threatens his legacy.

So wrong.

And I have no interest in hearing him talk, I have never heard Jordan have any interesting insights into the game before.  As great of a player was he was I don't think he has that great of a basketball mind.  Look how his team does.

Remember when I just said I was tired of Jordan?  Yeah.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: timobusa on February 15, 2013, 06:14:21 PM
Growing up, Jordan was my favorite player.
But I'll be first to admit that he is a straight up Narcissistic.
He probably looks in the mirror and salivates over himself.
Great player, not so great person.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 06:15:20 PM
of course he will snub someone like LeBron who threatens his legacy.

I wonder how you found out what his thoughts were
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: CFAN38 on February 15, 2013, 06:16:36 PM
There are so many problems with this.

The Bird/Magic era is where many current players would struggle to get in the NBA. The league was more physical (eliminates a lot of thin bigs), hand checking was allowed on the perimeter (eliminates the frail guards and under sized 2s, and there where less teams (eliminating boarder line talent). Jordan's era was the transition to what we have now. A perimeter dominated league designed to create super start guards for the league to market. The lack of post scoring big men is the brightest example of this. Jordan's era had Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq, Smits, etc. This era has Howard (only 6'10 and under developed post game), Lopez ( decent but not great), Jefferson (really a PF), and Bynum (only one that fits but never healthy).
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 15, 2013, 06:17:23 PM
Growing up, Jordan was my favorite player.
But I'll be first to admit that he is a straight up Narcissistic.
He probably looks in the mirror and salivates over himself.
Great player, not so great person.

How so? Because you disagree with some of his opinions about basketball?
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Snakehead on February 15, 2013, 06:17:50 PM
of course he will snub someone like LeBron who threatens his legacy.

I wonder how you found out what his thoughts were

Listening to him talk for all these years and seeing his career.  It isn't hard to figure out.

The guy just said 4 players right now could have played when he did.  He is full of it.  There is little to debate about that.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: timobusa on February 15, 2013, 06:22:38 PM
Growing up, Jordan was my favorite player.
But I'll be first to admit that he is a straight up Narcissistic.
He probably looks in the mirror and salivates over himself.
Great player, not so great person.

How so? Because you disagree with some of his opinions about basketball?

Nope, not just about basketball, there's so many articles about him being an @-hole to other people, and to genuine fans of him.
I'm not taking anything away from him as a player.
But its pretty well documented that he's not the greatest person in the world.

Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 15, 2013, 06:28:31 PM
Growing up, Jordan was my favorite player.
But I'll be first to admit that he is a straight up Narcissistic.
He probably looks in the mirror and salivates over himself.
Great player, not so great person.

How so? Because you disagree with some of his opinions about basketball?

Nope, not just about basketball, there's so many articles about him being an @-hole to other people, and to genuine fans of him.
I'm not taking anything away from him as a player.
But its pretty well documented that he's not the greatest person in the world.

Is he really? Id love some examples of this. I'm sure hes not an angel 24/7 but who is? People are only on his case because they strongly disagree with some of his views. That's what it all boils down to..
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: hpantazo on February 15, 2013, 06:29:55 PM
There are so many problems with this.

The Bird/Magic era is where many current players would struggle to get in the NBA. The league was more physical (eliminates a lot of thin bigs), hand checking was allowed on the perimeter (eliminates the frail guards and under sized 2s, and there where less teams (eliminating boarder line talent). Jordan's era was the transition to what we have now. A perimeter dominated league designed to create super start guards for the league to market. The lack of post scoring big men is the brightest example of this. Jordan's era had Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq, Smits, etc. This era has Howard (only 6'10 and under developed post game), Lopez ( decent but not great), Jefferson (really a PF), and Bynum (only one that fits but never healthy).

TP. This pretty much says what I was thinking. The Bird-Magic era was the era of great talent. Jordan was in the transition era, and really, he won 6 rings because there was no other good team for his bulls to face.

The only period in which he would have had legit competition in the Rockets with Olajuwon, he took two years off!!!!!
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: hpantazo on February 15, 2013, 06:31:42 PM
Growing up, Jordan was my favorite player.
But I'll be first to admit that he is a straight up Narcissistic.
He probably looks in the mirror and salivates over himself.
Great player, not so great person.

How so? Because you disagree with some of his opinions about basketball?

Nope, not just about basketball, there's so many articles about him being an @-hole to other people, and to genuine fans of him.
I'm not taking anything away from him as a player.
But its pretty well documented that he's not the greatest person in the world.

Is he really? Id love some examples of this. I'm sure hes not an angel 24/7 but who is? People are only on his case because they strongly disagree with some of his views. That's what it all boils down to..

there are endless reports of Jordan being a narcissistic, antagonistic jerk. From friends, teammates, his wife, coaches, etc. He is a class A jerk.

Robert Parish played with him for a bit at the end of the Chief's career, and he hated him. He was close to karate chopping MJ.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 15, 2013, 06:41:54 PM
Growing up, Jordan was my favorite player.
But I'll be first to admit that he is a straight up Narcissistic.
He probably looks in the mirror and salivates over himself.
Great player, not so great person.

How so? Because you disagree with some of his opinions about basketball?

Nope, not just about basketball, there's so many articles about him being an @-hole to other people, and to genuine fans of him.
I'm not taking anything away from him as a player.
But its pretty well documented that he's not the greatest person in the world.

Is he really? Id love some examples of this. I'm sure hes not an angel 24/7 but who is? People are only on his case because they strongly disagree with some of his views. That's what it all boils down to..

there are endless reports of Jordan being a narcissistic, antagonistic jerk. From friends, teammates, his wife, coaches, etc. He is a class A jerk.

Robert Parish played with him for a bit at the end of the Chief's career, and he hated him. He was close to karate chopping MJ.

Lol
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: hpantazo on February 15, 2013, 06:46:58 PM
Growing up, Jordan was my favorite player.
But I'll be first to admit that he is a straight up Narcissistic.
He probably looks in the mirror and salivates over himself.
Great player, not so great person.

How so? Because you disagree with some of his opinions about basketball?

Nope, not just about basketball, there's so many articles about him being an @-hole to other people, and to genuine fans of him.
I'm not taking anything away from him as a player.
But its pretty well documented that he's not the greatest person in the world.

Is he really? Id love some examples of this. I'm sure hes not an angel 24/7 but who is? People are only on his case because they strongly disagree with some of his views. That's what it all boils down to..

there are endless reports of Jordan being a narcissistic, antagonistic jerk. From friends, teammates, his wife, coaches, etc. He is a class A jerk.

Robert Parish played with him for a bit at the end of the Chief's career, and he hated him. He was close to karate chopping MJ.

Lol


Yea, the Chief was a martial arts expert. Kinda scary considering his size and length!!! He would have kicked Jordan's ass pretty hard.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: timobusa on February 15, 2013, 06:59:43 PM
Growing up, Jordan was my favorite player.
But I'll be first to admit that he is a straight up Narcissistic.
He probably looks in the mirror and salivates over himself.
Great player, not so great person.

How so? Because you disagree with some of his opinions about basketball?

Nope, not just about basketball, there's so many articles about him being an @-hole to other people, and to genuine fans of him.
I'm not taking anything away from him as a player.
But its pretty well documented that he's not the greatest person in the world.

Is he really? Id love some examples of this. I'm sure hes not an angel 24/7 but who is? People are only on his case because they strongly disagree with some of his views. That's what it all boils down to..

Google is your bestfriend
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: hpantazo on February 15, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Growing up, Jordan was my favorite player.
But I'll be first to admit that he is a straight up Narcissistic.
He probably looks in the mirror and salivates over himself.
Great player, not so great person.

How so? Because you disagree with some of his opinions about basketball?

Nope, not just about basketball, there's so many articles about him being an @-hole to other people, and to genuine fans of him.
I'm not taking anything away from him as a player.
But its pretty well documented that he's not the greatest person in the world.

Is he really? Id love some examples of this. I'm sure hes not an angel 24/7 but who is? People are only on his case because they strongly disagree with some of his views. That's what it all boils down to..

there are endless reports of Jordan being a narcissistic, antagonistic jerk. From friends, teammates, his wife, coaches, etc. He is a class A jerk.

Robert Parish played with him for a bit at the end of the Chief's career, and he hated him. He was close to karate chopping MJ.

Lol


Yea, the Chief was a martial arts expert. Kinda scary considering his size and length!!! He would have kicked Jordan's ass pretty hard.


http://www.celticslife.com/2012/03/as-teammates-robert-parish-and-michael.html

""I told him, 'I'm not as enamored with you as these other guys. I've got some rings too,' " Parish recalled. "At that point he told me, 'I'm going to kick your ass.' I took one step closer and said, 'No, you really aren't.' After that he didn't bother me."

The Chief might have been the only teammate of Jordan's to ever stand up to him, and Jordan was wise to back off considering Parish's martial arts skills."
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: hpantazo on February 15, 2013, 07:05:15 PM
He's also heavily responsible for turning Antoine Walker into a pathological gambler who lost all his money.


"Michael Jordan didn’t help matters. Walker spent the 2001 offseason training with Jordan, but their training didn’t end on the basketball court. Cedric Maxwell says Jordan was one of the biggest influences on Walker’s gambling addiction.

“It was like a father and a son going someplace and the son’s watching the dad go and spend money and the son’s saying ‘OK, it’s fine,’ but not knowing that the dad got a revenue stream and that you don’t. Antoine ain’t making that kind of money! He’s not the ‘Swoosh Guy.’”"

http://www.celticstown.com/2010/03/21/antoine-walker-and-his-money-gambling-problems/
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: hpantazo on February 15, 2013, 07:23:17 PM
and MJ reportedly turned Tiger Woods into a cheater:

http://www.examiner.com/article/elin-nordegren-says-michael-jordan-turned-tiger-woods-into-a-cheater
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 15, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
To clarify, he didn't say they're the only 4 that could play, but that they're the only 4 that could be "nearly as successful". 

It is mostly nonsense, but I'd say he's at least partly right about guys like D-Wade, who would get handchecked on the perimeter, bodied up on the drive, and thrown down at the rim a lot more often back in the day.  The slashing and driving game was a whole lot tougher back then without today's protections.

But yeah, it's mostly just a case of an aging guy pulling the "kids these days are soft and spoiled" routine.  Same as it ever was.


EDIT: the article as a whole is a great read, though.  Fascinating look at MJ, warts and all.  Recommended.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: hpantazo on February 15, 2013, 07:29:15 PM
Jordan likely took time off from the NBA because Stern and Co. realized he was gambling on NBA games:

"after the Jordan-led Chicago Bulls secured their third NBA Championship in a row, the NBA launched an investigation into Jordan's gambling habits to see whether he had violated league rules. Four months later, His Airness shocked the sports world by announcing his retirement from professional basketball."

It looked as if the gambling stories were dead – at least until 2005, when Ed Bradley grilled Jordan during a "60 Minutes" profile.

"Yeah, I've gotten myself into situations where I would not walk away and I've pushed the envelope," Jordan told Bradley. "Is that compulsive? Yeah, it depends on how you look at it. If you're willing to jeopardize your livelihood and your family, then yeah."

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6676299/13652550
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Bahku on February 15, 2013, 07:46:13 PM
Probably the greatest player ever, (especially offensive), but his ego grows by the hour, and he takes a back seat to no one when it comes to shameless self-promotion. Humility is at a premium in professional sports these days.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Moranis on February 15, 2013, 08:09:49 PM
People always forget about the awful teams that were in the 80's.  I mean this is the 1984-85 Indiana Pacers http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/1985.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/1985.html) or how about the 1984-85 Golden State Warriors http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/1985.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/1985.html) or maybe the 1984-85 New York Knicks http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/1985.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/1985.html) or the 1984-85 Kansas City Kings http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/KCK/1985.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/KCK/1985.html) or the 1984-85 Los Angeles Clippers http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/1985.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/1985.html) or the 1984-85 Seattle Supersonics http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/1985.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/1985.html).  All of those teams lost at least 50 games.

To act like the players of today couldn't compete with those teams is just silly.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: eja117 on February 15, 2013, 08:12:12 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/Michael-Jordan/michael-jordan-not-left-building

LeBron, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki.

he snubbed KG (and a ton of other players) even though KG literally played in that era at a high level. Michael Jordan is a narcissistic, delusional, emotional trainwreck of a human being and always has been. I knew that before his HOF acceptance speech, but that moment should have removed all doubt for the public at large.
And he couldn't play in Bird and Magic's era, nor Russell's.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: bdm860 on February 15, 2013, 08:21:31 PM
I'm just surprised he didn't mention Ron Artest out of fear.  After all, Artest body slammed Jordan breaking Jordan's ribs last time Jordan disrespected Artest.

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=1764

Or maybe he forgot about him:

Quote
That passion has turned the third-year player into one of the league's most promising young talents. "I love Ron Artest," says Michael Jordan, who developed an appreciation for his physical style when Artest broke two of Jordan's ribs the first day the two played together last summer in Chicago. "He's got so much intensity and such drive. I wish I could have played against him six years ago."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1141436/index.htm#

Or maybe he was only talking about stars.  ;)
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Kane3387 on February 15, 2013, 08:45:44 PM
Man the Mavs fans LOVE it! Every Die Hard Mavs fan I have ever met always tries to convince me DIrk is better then KG and is 4th behind Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe of his era.

The Mavs Moneyball site (Dallas version on SBNation of Celtics Blog) LOVED this!

Hate to see their #3 point of their analysis on the article.

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If you didn't know, Michael Jordan turns 50 on Sunday.

The greatest basketball player ever will be half a century old. Five decades. 50 years. Seems a little absurd to us normal, feeble, non-basketball GoAT people. You can only imagine how the most competitive person on the planet feels about this.

Well, Wright Thompson of ESPN.com asked and Jordan delivered. It's a mesmerizing look into Jordan and his current psyche. What he's up to. What he feels about turning 50. What he does since he can't play basketball. It's really, really great. Take 15 minutes out of your day and read the whole thing.

But there's one passage that jumped off the page, for this blog's purposes. Here is Jordan talking about comparing present players to past ones:

"JORDAN PLAYS his new favorite trivia game, asking which current players could be nearly as successful in his era. "Our era," he says over and over again, calling modern players soft, coddled and ill-prepared for the highest level of the game. This is personal to him, since he'll be compared to this generation, and since he has to build a franchise with this generation's players.

"I'll give you a hint," he says. "I can only come up with four."

He lists them: LeBron, Kobe, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki."

Awesome. Amazing. Ridiculous. Gratifying. Here's what we can take from that passage above:

1. Combined with the 2011 NBA championship and this comment, the "Dirk is soft" narrative is not only dead, it's been given lupus, buried alive, allowed to rot, dug up and shot off into space and exploded into fire.

2. Michael Jordan is a gigantic A hole. Seriously. He knows it (read the piece!) He has a yacht named Mister Terrible for goodness sakes. This man, who is so competitive he'll destroy his body playing one on one with his Bobcat players all day to quell his edge and is also the greatest basketball player we've ever known, just gave a COMPLIMENT to Dirk Nowitzki. The same Dirk that had posters of MJ on his wall when he was a boy.

3. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett. No Kevin Garnett.

The piece then (understandably) focuses on the LeBron angle, with Jordan dissecting LeBron's game. It's pretty great and like I said, you really need to check it out.

But holy (bleep). Michael Jordan thinks Dirk Nowitzki is one of four modern NBA players that could play in his era. That's pretty cool praise.

The picture of Dirk on here just looks stupid. No way he is better then KG when all he did was play one end of the court.

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2013/2/15/3992050/michael-jordan-says-dirk-nowitzki-is-one-of-the-four-modern-players
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on February 15, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
what?

no Scalabrine?
one on one Scalabrine would destroy jordan
good D and 3point shooting?
stomp em
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: hpantazo on February 15, 2013, 08:53:43 PM
what?

no Scalabrine?
one on one Scalabrine would destroy jordan
good D and 3point shooting?
stomp em


MJ is lucky he never had to face The White Mamba!
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 08:55:19 PM
It's just a stupid opinion.  At least 3/4 of today's league would fit in fine back in the mid-90s.

And only 3/4 of the mid-90s would fit in fine in today's league. Times are changing.

What does 'fit' mean anyway?  Jordan just likes hearing the sound of his own voice, even if what he is saying doesn't make any sense.  If that means those are the only (4) players he 'respects' then it is just idiotic.

'fit' means unable to conform to current NBA playing standards, you have to be able to play a certain type of basketball at a certain level to play... and the style of game has changed so much that many players from then couldn't play now (and vice-versa)
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Kane3387 on February 15, 2013, 09:30:23 PM
I understand taking shots at MJ the person. I think he knows he's an arrogant SOB. Honestly when you lived his life who knows what kind of persona you take on.

However to take shots at MJ the player is ridiculous. He is the standard by which almost any kind of greatness is measured. Such and Such or So and So is the "Michael Jordan" of Such and Such.

Larry Bird literally gave the man the greatest compliment I have ever heard one competitor give to another when he literally went biblical and said:

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``I think he`s God disguised as Michael Jordan,`` Boston`s Larry Bird would say after the game. ``He is the most awesome player in the NBA. Today in Boston Garden, on national TV, in the playoffs, he put on one of the greatest shows of all time. I couldn`t believe anybody could do that against the Boston Celtics.``

That 1986 team was the greatest ever and it's why the greatest player ever lost that day. Team always beats I when it's greatness is of the same caliber. Still Bird's quote says it all. The man was coming off his third straight MVP and he called him God.

Great article below about the 63 point game and a lot of great quotes by some Celtics. Loved the quote by Jones about the bench.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-11-01/sports/8703230679_1_michael-jordan-scores-guard-scores-boston-garden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QcFCy5ZlIg
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Celtics17 on February 15, 2013, 09:34:14 PM
Jordan always was a bit of a prima dona. I do think that NBA basketball was at its peak in the mid to late 80's talent wise per team but only 4 players? Come on, that's ludicrous. It's kind of funny but while Jordan was playing he was constantly called the best to ever play but since he's retired I rarely, if ever, hear it. Personally I dont think he was although he was close.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: xmuscularghandix on February 15, 2013, 09:44:58 PM
Everybody in the league could play except for the big guys who can't rebound and the little guys who can't handle physicality.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: TripleOT on February 16, 2013, 08:35:45 PM
KG is an obvious omission.  He could play and dominate in any era.  Does MJ really believe that Paul Pierce or Ray Allen or Pau Gasol couldn't have thrived in Jordan's era?  That's just foolishness.

Jordan's career post-Bulls has not been impressive, besides the earnings he continues to get from his tie in with Nike and his other endorsements.  He was a disaster in the front office in Washington, and his Bobcats are arguably the worst NBA franchise of the past 20 years. 
 
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: CelticG1 on February 16, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
It'd be a close call but I would take KG, Ray, and Pierce over Dino, Kevin Gamble, and Greg Minor
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: wahz on February 16, 2013, 09:04:13 PM
you know what he is: he is David Stern in a body like Jordan. Stern is an egomaniacal man who supported Jordan's career by protecting him from normal refereeing. Stern could see his alter ego out there on the court. Jordan is an awful, awful, man and if he had played under Larry and Kevin and Magic's rules he wouldn't have gone as far.

I'll never forget the blood dripping from Larry's back and side when Rodman lacerated him with his nails. No fouls at all. You breathed on Jordan and he got the call. Wonder why he developed into a massive egomaniac? The normal rules never applied to him
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: crimson_stallion on February 16, 2013, 09:52:39 PM
I really don't see why KG wouldn't be successful in that era - likewise Paul Pierce.

Both of those guys are warriors who play HARD every single night.  Not afraid to talk trash, not afraid to take a hit and get right back up, not afraid to play through pain.

Kevin Garnett (even at his peak) could probably never play center in that era, but as a PF he would be elite.  The only guys I see giving him some trouble would have been Malone and Barkley becuase of their pure bulk-strength, but KG is deceptively strong. 

KG is an ultra talented guy who plays ever asppect of the game well - he's a top tier defender, rebounder, passer and scorer (at least at his peak). 

Paul Pierce especially would have fit that era.  He is toughness personified, and at 6'7" 230lbs he was have absolutely had the muscle and size to bang with any SF from Jordan's era.  Hell he still muscles up with guys like MWP, Lebron and Carmello on a nighly basis.

Rondo, ironically, also would have done very well.  Stockton was never big physically, but he was tought - he never took garbage from anyone, he'd play hurt and he was generally a warrior.  Rondo is a very similar player, and his ability to play hurt would have served him very well back then.

Next is Steve Nash.  Again a guy who is tough, plays through injuries.  He's not big, but he's a guy that doesn't depend entirely on his slashing - he's one of the best shooters and passers of the last decade.  If Stockton could be a great player in that time, so could Nash.

Carmello is another.  He's 6'8" and about 230-240 pounds.  He's big enough that he can take a beating physically, but he's a multi-dimensional scorer and a very good rebounder who could have very easilly done well in an era that saw guys like Glen Rice and Steve Smith be successful.

Ray Allen can do anything that Reggie Miller could do in his time - at his peak he easilly could have been a dominant player in Jordan's era.

Al Jefferson isn't very good defensively, but he's big and he's pretty tough with a good low post game.  He wouldn't have worked as a center, but as a PF he would have done well against guys like Karl Malone. 

Kendrick Perkins (and many other role players like him) would have fit in just as well back then.  Is Jordan going to tell me that Perkins couldn't have been just as successful on his Bulls team as Bill Cartright, Luke Longley or Bill Wellington?

How about somebody like MWP or Gerald Wallace - guys who have very defensive games to Dennis Rodman (based on stregth, toughness and atheticism).

Personally I think Dwyane Wade would have been equally dominant.  He's a very similar player to Jordan in that he's more of a slash who's not really so well known for a great Jumpshot (Jordan was never THAT good an outside shooter).  Wade is pretty strong and bulky for a guard dispite his size, he's always been a very good defender and his combination of strength and athleticism has always made him difficult to match up with.  You can't question his size, because Joe Dumars was no bigger.

Personally I don't really know that Duncan would have fit so much, becuase as much as he has the size and the talent, I'm not sure if he'd have the mental toughness to deal with the physical nature of the league back then.  I always have (and still do) see Duncan as more of a finesse big and too much of a 'nice guy', and I think he would have been beat up on a nightly basis playing regularly in those days. 

I also think Lebron might struggle, because he doesn't deal well with physical basketball and wouldn't get all of the rediculous calls he gets now days.  He'd still be very good, but I don't think he'd be as dominant as he is now, because he'd be knocked on his backside every time he tries to take it to the basket.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: ManUp on February 16, 2013, 11:20:38 PM
We all know Jordan sucks as a judge of NBA talent.

Ask the Bobcats.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 16, 2013, 11:29:21 PM
I love MJ, but not his eye of talent.

Just those 4, really? KG was borderline star in that era. Paul Pierce can do damage in the 90's. He may not be superstar material at that time, but he will start and be productive and drop 20 a night during that era.

That thug DWade can play in the 90's and be productive too. Of course he'll whine a lot.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: perks-a-beast on February 16, 2013, 11:47:57 PM
MJ was probably the best bball player of all time but it's clear that he suffers from some personality/judgement defects. Nothing he says should be taken seriously. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Jordan says only 4 guys today could play in his era
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 11:59:27 PM
MJ was probably the best bball player of all time but it's clear that he suffers from some personality/judgement defects. Nothing he says should be taken seriously. Nothing to see here.

"Nothing he says should be taken seriously"

That's not a solution for personality/judgement defects. Where did you hear that from?