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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: lightspeed5 on February 14, 2013, 07:45:26 PM
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What a diva
Well according to the Daily News, one of Allen’s gripes about his time in Boston was that he was fourth in Coach Doc Rivers’ pecking order, behind Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo. The Celtics were not happy that Allen defected to the rival Heat last summer as a free agent, while by the end of his time in Boston, Allen told close allies that he felt he ran fourth on Doc Rivers’ list of favorites, after Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Rajon Rondo.”
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Allen really comes off very un-classy with comments such as these.
Doc is going to do whats best for the team, and not any individual player...maybe its because Allen's game has declined the most between those 3, and Rondo's became better.
I mean..Pierce/KG are still all-star calibar players in this league and can carry a team
Allen is a 3-point gunner off the heats bench...
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He should have said 5th (Avery).
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Well according to the Daily News, one of Allen’s gripes about his time in Boston was that he was fourth in Coach Doc Rivers’ pecking order, behind Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo. The Celtics were not happy that Allen defected to the rival Heat last summer as a free agent, while by the end of his time in Boston, Allen told close allies that he felt he ran fourth on Doc Rivers’ list of favorites, after Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Rajon Rondo.”
Being the fourth gun in Miami is just so much better.
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Not a surprise. Ray had issues with Glen Robinson and George Karl in Milwaukee.
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He also had issues with Lucky the Leprechaun. judas wanted to have more on-court and TV exposure than Lucky.
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I don't consider the Daily News as particularly authoritative, but a quote is a quote.
Ray Allen is a diva-jerk. I continue to be so disappointed in him because I really though he was a classy guy but boy was I WRONG.
I am NOT appreciative of what he did while here. He though of himself as a hired gun not a team player.
If he went somewhere for more money I would be okay with that.
If he went somewhere to be closer to his family I would be okay with that.
If he went somewhere to be closer to a doctor for his kid, I would be okay with that.
It disgusts me to see Flo in a Heat jersey.
Even with all of that., I might be okay with what he did if he would just keep his trap shut, or at least speak of his former teammates and management in respectful terms.
Ray, you are likely going to win another championship. Good for you, diva-jerk.
But no, he has shown none of the qualities that would get me on his side of what happened.
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He's still fourth, maybe fifth.
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Well according to the Daily News, one of Allen’s gripes about his time in Boston was that he was fourth in Coach Doc Rivers’ pecking order, behind Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo. The Celtics were not happy that Allen defected to the rival Heat last summer as a free agent, while by the end of his time in Boston, Allen told close allies that he felt he ran fourth on Doc Rivers’ list of favorites, after Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Rajon Rondo.”
Being the fourth gun in Miami is just so much better.
Battier and Chalmers might have something to say about being fourth. I get that Allen has value as a great three point shooter to space the floor, but Battier provides excellent defense and Chalmers is shooting about the same percentage from three and is certainly more of a playmaker.
No matter what, I think it was pretty crappy how the whole thing went down and I am very disappointed that Allen chose to chase a ring in Miami rather have his number retired in the rafters.
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He's still fourth, maybe fifth.
but he thinks its justified now. Before, he didnt think it was justified for doc to put rondo over him. He thought he was better than rondo.
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He's still fourth, maybe fifth.
but he thinks its justified now. Before, he didnt think it was justified for doc to put rondo over him. He thought he was better than rondo.
Well, he's still worse or at the same level as Mario Chalmers and Shane Battier and Mike Miller >_<
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Are we still talking about this dude?
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wow, my last bit of respect for Ray Allen...gone
can he just let it go PLEASE!
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Why does he still yap about the Cs?
Is it just that he still sees the Cs as a tight knit brotherhood where he is now just an outsider trying to still be relevant to the Cs?
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Why does he still yap about the Cs?
Is it just that he still sees the Cs as a tight knit brotherhood where he is now just an outsider trying to still be relevant to the Cs?
To be unbiased, you'll have to blame the reporters...
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He's still fourth, maybe fifth.
I got Judas 7th:
LeBroid
Wade
Bosh
Chalmers
Battier
Haslem
Judas
If it's true that KG and PP lobbied for Judas not to be traded for Mayo, man, he's more of a piece of garbage than I thought.
Et tu Brute.
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wow, my last bit of respect for Ray Allen...gone
can he just let it go PLEASE!
Take him off your banner bro. ;)
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I read about this the day Miami came to Boston from I think SLAM.
I've become really disappointed in Ray with all of these comments and this is starting to come off childish.
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He's still fourth, maybe fifth.
I got Judas 7th:
LeBroid
Wade
Bosh
Chalmers
Battier
Haslem
Judas
If it's true that KG and PP lobbied for Judas not to be traded for Mayo, man, he's more of a piece of garbage than I thought.
Et tu Brute.
Now I'm thinking "have you ever watched Haslem play?"
There's no way Haslem>Ray no matter how much you hatin'
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Always love a good jab at old Judas.
This is similar to the CLee non-story. But still, Judas, why do you have to betray us so!?
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No one else's wife had a show on comcast....
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Who on Earth is Ray Allen?
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He's still fourth, maybe fifth.
I got Judas 7th:
LeBroid
Wade
Bosh
Chalmers
Battier
Haslem
Judas
If it's true that KG and PP lobbied for Judas not to be traded for Mayo, man, he's more of a piece of garbage than I thought.
Et tu Brute.
Now I'm thinking "have you ever watched Haslem play?"
There's no way Haslem>Ray no matter how much you hatin'
Haslem starts, and along with Wade, is the spiritual leader on the cHeat.
Losing Haslem would create more problems for the cHeat than losing Judas. Their frontcourt is as bad as ours, and at least Halem D's up unlike Judas.
Battier, Lewis and Miller can all shoot the 3. Haslem would be harder to replace. Judas has cooled off after a hot start.
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Who on Earth is Ray Allen?
A Basketball Wife from Basketball Wives apparently.
No one else's wife had a show on comcast....
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He's still fourth, maybe fifth.
I got Judas 7th:
LeBroid
Wade
Bosh
Chalmers
Battier
Haslem
Judas
If it's true that KG and PP lobbied for Judas not to be traded for Mayo, man, he's more of a piece of garbage than I thought.
Et tu Brute.
Now I'm thinking "have you ever watched Haslem play?"
There's no way Haslem>Ray no matter how much you hatin'
Haslem starts, and along with Wade, is the spiritual leader on the cHeat.
Losing Haslem would create more problems for the cHeat than losing Judas. Their frontcourt is as bad as ours, and at least Halem D's up unlike Judas.
Battier, Lewis and Miller can all shoot the 3. Haslem would be harder to replace. Judas has cooled off after a hot start.
Yes, he and Wade are leaders but if he left, I doubt the Heat would lose contender status.
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He's still fourth, maybe fifth.
I got Judas 7th:
LeBroid
Wade
Bosh
Chalmers
Battier
Haslem
Judas
If it's true that KG and PP lobbied for Judas not to be traded for Mayo, man, he's more of a piece of garbage than I thought.
Et tu Brute.
Now I'm thinking "have you ever watched Haslem play?"
There's no way Haslem>Ray no matter how much you hatin'
Haslem starts, and along with Wade, is the spiritual leader on the cHeat.
Losing Haslem would create more problems for the cHeat than losing Judas. Their frontcourt is as bad as ours, and at least Halem D's up unlike Judas.
Battier, Lewis and Miller can all shoot the 3. Haslem would be harder to replace. Judas has cooled off after a hot start.
Yes, he and Wade are leaders but if he left, I doubt the Heat would lose contender status.
Nor would they if Judas left.
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I still believe Ray want to stay in C, but Docs system wont allow him.
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I still believe Ray want to stay in C, but Docs system wont allow him.
Clearly not anymore...?
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This is old news ISTM. And considering how the Celtics played with Rondo dominating the ball this season, compared with how they've played since he got injured, isn't there something to Ray's beef about the type of offense the Celtic's ran in recent years?
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Why does he still yap about the Cs?
Is it just that he still sees the Cs as a tight knit brotherhood where he is now just an outsider trying to still be relevant to the Cs?
Miami might be the best team in the league, but it doesn't have the brotherhood the Cs have had since KG arrived, and I don't foresee it ever happening for the Heat. Why not? Because Wade's a punk, and so is Chalmers, and most of those guys are just there riding LeBron's coattails. That's totally what Allen's doing.
Sorry, Ray, but you were never gonna be any higher than the #3 option, because KG and Pierce are now and have always been better, more complete players than you. You're a future Hall of Famer, yes, but it's because of one reason only: you're a great shooter. You've never been a great ballhandler, or a great passer, or a great defender, or a great rebounder, so why should you have been higher on Doc's "list." And since Rondo's a point guard, of course he's going to have the ball more than you, a shooting guard, and thus be more of an "option" than you.
I have everyone will now stop calling this guy "classy"; he's anything but.
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This is old news ISTM. And considering how the Celtics played with Rondo dominating the ball this season, compared with how they've played since he got injured, isn't there something to Ray's beef about the type of offense the Celtic's ran in recent years?
There's some truth to it. Thank goodness Doc didn't want Ray handling the ball more though. That was painful to watch the majority of time. Ray is a three point specialist now but refuses to accept that.
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Well according to the Daily News, one of Allen’s gripes about his time in Boston was that he was fourth in Coach Doc Rivers’ pecking order, behind Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo. The Celtics were not happy that Allen defected to the rival Heat last summer as a free agent, while by the end of his time in Boston, Allen told close allies that he felt he ran fourth on Doc Rivers’ list of favorites, after Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Rajon Rondo.”
Being the fourth gun in Miami is just so much better.
He wasn't an integral part of building the franchise into a contender in Miami like he did Boston.
I can see why it bothered him, but I don't like him going where he went (Clippers, Grizzlies, Nets, even Knicks wouldn't have been such a slap in the face) or how much he has said to the media about us.
But the more I think about it, I think I'd go to war with Garnett/Pierce/Allen before Garnett/Pierce/Rondo. Ray opens up the entire floor, Rondo shrinks it. Both are capable of getting blown by on defense. Only one looks like he tries every time. Water under the bridge now, jus' sayin'.
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Non story for me.
The truth is, I think this year has proven that there are some flaws in Doc's coaching style.
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When did Ray become so talkative? My God the dude just won't shut up!
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Who honestly cares anymore.. If this came out like 5 months ago i would, but I am just don't care anymore. The guy is gone, and IDC how he felt 4th behind those other guys. Ray was awesome here and I love what he did for the team. Now I just don't care what he has to say. He's gone no longer a concern.
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Reporters make a deal out of EVERYTHING
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Not a surprise. Ray had issues with Glen Robinson and George Karl in Milwaukee.
Yep, I tried to tell everyone about his Seattle troubles with Nate McMillan, re-posted articles, and no one bit. Thought he was such a gentleman. Only a little of this was on Celtics blog way back when and the brutal censorship here kept me from saying much here. I was very aware of his health issues too. That I talked about here, but sure no one here should believe anything on the internet.
I consider what I can say safely. Those of you who think he was a great teammate: you might be really wrong
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The Million Dollar question now is :
"IS RAY ALLEN HAPPY IN MIAMI?"
Why does he still dig up his Celtic experience and tell everyone that he is still a Celtic; I almost puked when I saw him saying that he will forever be a Celtic.
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Ray Allen was perceived to be a great guy because he never got in trouble and he had a strong work ethic. This guy got in more fights with other players and teammates than anyone.
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I'm unhappy with Doc. Some of us on here are impossible to please. If Ray had gone public with his issues with Doc and Rondo then he is a baby, whiner. So he addresses things in the locker room and keeps things professional.
He makes no progress so he does what he feels is in his best interest to gain another ring. Still never going public. Then Doc goes public and admitts it was his fault Ray left.
To top it all of the guy was right! Rondo was pounding the ball and not utilizing his teammates to their strength or in the best interest of the team.
But his stats were unreal. So those with Rose colored glasses and in my opinion some with a low bball iq talked about how great he is, he is the best point guard in the league some said.
Doc is overated! period. Rondo is great sometimes and terrible others. If we actually had a good coach he would have addressed the (Rondo effect)!
Ray allen IS a class act, he has done nothing to us, said nothing bad and in my opinion he sure had pleanty of ammo.
His biggest issue here is he was way smarter than the coach and Rondo.
Look at how were playing right now, Now imagine it's Rondo we dont have all year but we have this current team and Ray allen. I think we would be near the top of the eastern confernce.
Don't get me wrong I don't blame Rondo. I blame Danny and Doc.
Do any of us really think that Pops or Jerry Sloan or Phil Jackson would have allowed Rondo to dribble for 20 seconds of a 24 second shot clock just to pass to one of the best and most versatile SF of all time with 2 seconds left on the clock. Seriously anyone here think that would have happened with a Good coach.
When Rondo great hes flat out great but his ego had gotton the better of him and Doc allowed it to cost us the best shooter in the history of the game. Not to mention all the games it costs us the last few years.
I still think if COACHED Rondo can get even better now that were talking about the elephant in the room. And yes it was an elephant. I can't believe so many here didn't see it. It was pink with white spots all over with flashing LED lights and sparks were comming out it's ___!
There were several posters here with the insight to see it and fewer with the courage to post about it. You can get torched here if you see things differently sometimes.
Ray left, good luck to him. he is entitled to speak to whom he wants just as you and I or anyone else does.
Hard to believe peeple are down on him when our team is proving him right.
Good grief!
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Not a surprise. Ray had issues with Glen Robinson and George Karl in Milwaukee.
Yep, I tried to tell everyone about his Seattle troubles with Nate McMillan, re-posted articles, and no one bit. Thought he was such a gentleman. Only a little of this was on Celtics blog way back when and the brutal censorship here kept me from saying much here. I was very aware of his health issues too. That I talked about here, but sure no one here should believe anything on the internet.
I consider what I can say safely. Those of you who think he was a great teammate: you might be really wrong
It seems obvious by now that the reason sports media kept telling us what a totally fantastic, 'classy' guy and great teammate Ray was is that he was filling their ears off the record with his perspective and team gossip. That became especially clear his last year here, and then, after he left, when various sports reporters went public with it.
The same dynamic often applies when the press start gushing about a particular pol or other public figure.
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I dont know why he wouldnt accept the fact that he was the 4th best player on our team. How could he argue against that... Its funny, I enjoyed Ray when he was here, but I dont miss his game AT ALL.
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Yep, I tried to tell everyone about his Seattle troubles with Nate McMillan, re-posted articles, and no one bit. Thought he was such a gentleman. Only a little of this was on Celtics blog way back when and the brutal censorship here kept me from saying much here. I was very aware of his health issues too. That I talked about here, but sure no one here should believe anything on the internet.
I'm sorry, "brutal censorship" on CB? I've got no idea what you're talking about.
Also, everyone was well-aware of his health issues. It's not like his gimpy ankles were a big secret.
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Only a little of this was on Celtics blog way back when and the brutal censorship here kept me from saying much here. I was very aware of his health issues too. That I talked about here, but sure no one here should believe anything on the internet.
I consider what I can say safely. Those of you who think he was a great teammate: you might be really wrong
Haha. Wow. The blog nazis kept you from sharing your super-secret info about Ray Allen, huh?
8)
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Only a little of this was on Celtics blog way back when and the brutal censorship here kept me from saying much here. I was very aware of his health issues too. That I talked about here, but sure no one here should believe anything on the internet.
I consider what I can say safely. Those of you who think he was a great teammate: you might be really wrong
Haha. Wow. The blog nazis kept you from sharing your super-secret info about Ray Allen, huh?
8)
I'm looking at you, Roy :P
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Do any of us really think that Pops or Jerry Sloan or Phil Jackson would have allowed Rondo to dribble for 20 seconds of a 24 second shot clock just to pass to one of the best and most versatile SF of all time with 2 seconds left on the clock. Seriously anyone here think that would have happened with a Good coach.
Rondo dribbling for 20 seconds of the 24 second shot clock was happening with much less frequency than you and a number of other posters seem to think it did.
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There is a difference between being 4th option and 4th favorite.
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There is a difference between being 4th option and 4th favorite.
Was he even the fourth best player?
He was benched for Bradley. That's why he left. Diva Ego.
It was OK to backup Wade, but a nobody like Bradley? That was too demeaning for him.
He can blame the lack of touches, he can blame Doc's system (which does suck), he can blame the uncertainty of being traded every year.
Bottom line, regarding all those issues, but especially Bradley starting in front of him, it was his ego. "Vanity, my favorite sin.", said the Devil incarnate in a great movie. This especially applies to Judas.
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Memo to Ray: stop trying to justify your departure to save face and your damaged legacy. You're only making yourself look more petty, and thus making it worse.
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He should have said 5th (Avery).
I'd love it if Doc were to mention this.
Let's see I'm 4th and p---ed, so I'm going to go to another team and be 4th in the pecking order. I'll show them.
What a tool.
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So he has an ego? So he's vain? Big deal. All great players have the same problem for the most part. And most great players have a problem going from starter to bench player. I won't hold it against him for it and it turns out the choice he made was better for him in the long run it looks like.
It's over with, I've moved on and no longer care. I understand why he's not liked in Boston anymore but lets be real here. It's not like Larry Bird going to the Lakers or anything.
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He should have said 5th (Avery).
I'd love it if Doc were to mention this.
Let's see I'm 4th and p---ed, so I'm going to go to another team and be 4th in the pecking order. I'll show them.
What a tool.
Yes, but he'll probably get a ring with them and possibly play longer because of it. If KG and PP retire after this year then how would things turn out for him here?
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He should have said 5th (Avery).
I'd love it if Doc were to mention this.
Let's see I'm 4th and p---ed, so I'm going to go to another team and be 4th in the pecking order. I'll show them.
What a tool.
Yes, but he'll probably get a ring with them and possibly play longer because of it. If KG and PP retire after this year then how would things turn out for him here?
Sure, if that's what he's after.
Pierce and Garnett, on the other hand, will rightfully deserve a place in Celtics lore.
By leaving, Allen just inched towards the status of "someone who was just around for the championship" (think Eddie House or PJ Brown).
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I will give Ray this. I don't know if you can say it of Doc in Orlando or even his first few years in Boston but when the Big 3 arrived, Doc created a very hierarchical culture with the Celtics. There were the main guys (KG, Pierce, Ray) and then there was everybody else. That's different than what you see with Pop in San Antonio or Thibs with the Bulls. In addition, Doc always treated Ray like his binky. Ray was the guy who Doc always left on the floor over Pierce and KG when the bench would come in. So I can sort of understand why he took his demotion below Rondo and then losing his starting spot to Avery so hard. That still doesn't excuse his whining.
And while I'd agree that Doc's offense has had some serious problems, Ray was one of the reasons for it. In his last 2 to 3 years in Boston, Ray really started to lose his ability to get separation from his defender, either individually or running off screens. Yet Doc continued to call those plays for Ray.
Mike
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By leaving, Allen just inched towards the status of "someone who was just around for the championship" (think Eddie House or PJ Brown).
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Great point, in twenty years when my kids hear about the the 08 championship they wont think about Ray Allen. Same with players like Glen Rice. Ray will be known as a great shooter who bounced around to HELP teams win championships. Where as, KG and Pierce will be known as great Celtics who lead there teams to be champions.
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What a diva
Well according to the Daily News, one of Allen’s gripes about his time in Boston was that he was fourth in Coach Doc Rivers’ pecking order, behind Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo. The Celtics were not happy that Allen defected to the rival Heat last summer as a free agent, while by the end of his time in Boston, Allen told close allies that he felt he ran fourth on Doc Rivers’ list of favorites, after Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Rajon Rondo.”
This isn't even a direct quote by Ray Allen, it is some close ally or allies, and then a lot of speculation and inference by the reporter.
This proves nothing. There is plenty to pick on Ray about without jumping on to something like this.
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He should have said 5th (Avery).
I'd love it if Doc were to mention this.
Let's see I'm 4th and p---ed, so I'm going to go to another team and be 4th in the pecking order. I'll show them.
What a tool.
Yes, but he'll probably get a ring with them and possibly play longer because of it. If KG and PP retire after this year then how would things turn out for him here?
Sure, if that's what he's after.
Pierce and Garnett, on the other hand, will rightfully deserve a place in Celtics lore.
By leaving, Allen just inched towards the status of "someone who was just around for the championship" (think Eddie House or PJ Brown).
There's no guarantee that #20 would've gone up anyway.
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He should have said 5th (Avery).
I'd love it if Doc were to mention this.
Let's see I'm 4th and p---ed, so I'm going to go to another team and be 4th in the pecking order. I'll show them.
What a tool.
Yes, but he'll probably get a ring with them and possibly play longer because of it. If KG and PP retire after this year then how would things turn out for him here?
Sure, if that's what he's after.
Pierce and Garnett, on the other hand, will rightfully deserve a place in Celtics lore.
By leaving, Allen just inched towards the status of "someone who was just around for the championship" (think Eddie House or PJ Brown).
There's no guarantee that #20 would've gone up anyway.
No, but if he would have stayed, at least in my mind he would have been an integral piece of a great team who won a championship, and then was a contender for multiple years against all odds. You know, a team that went down with pride and flying colors, the Garnett/Pierce/Allen/Rondo Celtics. Except this team is now just the Garnett/Pierce/Rondo Celtics.
In any case, whatever rocks Allen's boat -- he was the oldest of the three, so perhaps he felt he would retire before everyone else anyhow. But for the love of grilled cheese, enough with those articles already. You made your bed in Miami, and it is what it is.
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He should have said 5th (Avery).
I'd love it if Doc were to mention this.
Let's see I'm 4th and p---ed, so I'm going to go to another team and be 4th in the pecking order. I'll show them.
What a tool.
Yes, but he'll probably get a ring with them and possibly play longer because of it. If KG and PP retire after this year then how would things turn out for him here?
Sure, if that's what he's after.
Pierce and Garnett, on the other hand, will rightfully deserve a place in Celtics lore.
By leaving, Allen just inched towards the status of "someone who was just around for the championship" (think Eddie House or PJ Brown).
There's no guarantee that #20 would've gone up anyway.
No, but if he would have stayed, at least in my mind he would have been an integral piece of a great team who won a championship, and then was a contender for multiple years against all odds. You know, a team that went down with pride and flying colors, the Garnett/Pierce/Allen/Rondo Celtics. Except this team is now just the Garnett/Pierce/Rondo Celtics.
In any case, whatever rocks Allen's boat -- he was the oldest of the three, so perhaps he felt he would retire before everyone else anyhow. But for the love of grilled cheese, enough with those articles already. You made your bed in Miami, and it is what it is.
if he were to go to another team, maybe we will retire his jersey cuz of the championship, the 3 pt record and the times he bailed us out in playoff games.
but because he went to the enemy that beat us in the playoffs, he doesn't deserve to be on the rafters
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He should have said 5th (Avery).
I'd love it if Doc were to mention this.
Let's see I'm 4th and p---ed, so I'm going to go to another team and be 4th in the pecking order. I'll show them.
What a tool.
Yes, but he'll probably get a ring with them and possibly play longer because of it. If KG and PP retire after this year then how would things turn out for him here?
Sure, if that's what he's after.
Pierce and Garnett, on the other hand, will rightfully deserve a place in Celtics lore.
By leaving, Allen just inched towards the status of "someone who was just around for the championship" (think Eddie House or PJ Brown).
There's no guarantee that #20 would've gone up anyway.
No, but if he would have stayed, at least in my mind he would have been an integral piece of a great team who won a championship, and then was a contender for multiple years against all odds. You know, a team that went down with pride and flying colors, the Garnett/Pierce/Allen/Rondo Celtics. Except this team is now just the Garnett/Pierce/Rondo Celtics.
In any case, whatever rocks Allen's boat -- he was the oldest of the three, so perhaps he felt he would retire before everyone else anyhow. But for the love of grilled cheese, enough with those articles already. You made your bed in Miami, and it is what it is.
if he were to go to another team, maybe we will retire his jersey cuz of the championship, the 3 pt record and the times he bailed us out in playoff games.
but because he went to the enemy that beat us in the playoffs, he doesn't deserve to be on the rafters
I think they only way he could have made it up there is if he played three more years (in Boston) and then retired.
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dont sound like ray
had to be more goin on than bein "favorite"
as a sonic ray was the man
why would he come here with KG and Paul
he knew his touches of the rock would be down
i wanna here it from ray
not from the Daily news and Clark Kent
and you know im
*sippin*