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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: gpap on February 13, 2013, 11:09:58 PM
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Just copying and pasting the tweet I saw on the cover page of this site.
What do we think? It's certainly debatable as to whether Smith is a max contract player, but IF he's interested in Boston, he's too talented a player to just turn away from, no?
Josh Smith rumor?
posted by Jeff Clark, Feb 14, 2013
I keep hearing Josh Smith's primary destination is Boston.
— Gery Woelfel (@GeryWoelfel) February 14, 2013
"I keep hearing Josh Smith's primary destination is Boston." - Gery Woelfel
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He will have to play for a discount, not even just a non-max contract but a deep discount, right?
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Don't want Smith. He is a knucklehead.
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It is, because of Rondo.
But it'll also be Rondo who convinces him to sign cheap here.
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He will have to play for a discount, not even just a non-max contract but a deep discount, right?
Unless we find a way to shed a lot of salary in the offseason, this is my understanding as well.
If he's willing to do that, though, then I'd welcome him with open arms. He's a very good player, even if he is a bit of a bonehead.
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If he makes less boneheaded plays under Doc I'd like him on this team
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Hope it happens.
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Not a fan.
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Don't want Smith. He is a knucklehead.
if this happens next year, rondo dribbles for 20+ seconds then pass to smith for an ill advised 3.lol i'll also pass.
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
This.
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
This.
I'm not big on capology, but I'm pretty sure that as things stand now, we have absolutely no shot of signing him in the off-season. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it would probably take both Paul and KG retiring to have the cap space to make it happen. Even then, I'm not sure we'd be able to do it.
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I like JSmoove and all, but IMHO he is not the answer to 'who will be one of the torch bearers for the C's in the Post Pierce/Garnett Era?' unless you want an annual second round playoff exit. Smoove peaked a couple of years ago. He has no go to move, and outside of his freakish athleticism I don't know if he has ever gotten the most out of his abilities.
Outside of rebounding and some highlight reel blocks, I'd would take the Captain over JSmoove any day of the week with the exception of Sunday (morning games), and on that day I would go with our J(Swoop) Green.
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he has not impressed me at all when we play him. plus we have enough jump shooters. we need bigs down low who are ready to go to war in the paint.
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
This.
I'm not big on capology, but I'm pretty sure that as things stand now, we have absolutely no shot of signing him in the off-season. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it would probably take both Paul and KG retiring to have the cap space to make it happen. Even then, I'm not sure we'd be able to do it.
let pierce and kg retires?
it just makes us worst next year without him
you mean rondo and smith running the show and making it to the finals? i don't think so
i'll pass on him
kg still got this, he can still play his 3 years
and also pierce
that makes us a contender and a shot to finals again
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
Josh Smith is a player with a bad jump shot and a worse BBIQ. The thing he has going for him is freakish athleticism. He's going to turn 28 in the middle of next season. I really don't want to be the team paying 10 million plus to 33 year old Smith.
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No way I can see the Celtics trading for him this season. They just don't have enough healthy players to make the salary work and still have enough guys to fill out the active roster.
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We can't get him as a free agent, meaning we would have to trade for him. But it would be virtually impossible to match salaries without including Pierce or Garnett. He makes a lot this season and the best we can do is Bass, Lee, Melo, picks and cash, and we wouldn't have a full squad after that.
Sign and trade in the offseason?
He isn't the best offensive player out there, but he is still an impact player.
But I'd consider this very unlikely.
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Would love if he would make it public that he choice is Boston. That way teams don't even bother and we can either trade for him now or in the off-season.
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I think if KG and Pierce retire they will have more than enough to bring in J Smoove at about 10-12 MM if my math is correct. If he will play for that I say sign him up.
The lineup would be Rondo, Bradley, Green, Smith, Sullinger (I assume they would bring Sully off the bench and try to acquire a center some how).
Now is this a world beating lineup? Of course not. Would this team play very good defense, move the ball, get up and down the court and be a lot of fun to watch? Absolutely.
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
Josh Smith is a player with a bad jump shot and a worse BBIQ. The thing he has going for him is freakish athleticism. He's going to turn 28 in the middle of next season. I really don't want to be the team paying 10 million plus to 33 year old Smith.
I don't agree with the basketball IQ comment. Yes he does take some bad shots, but having a PF who is second on his team in assists to me is an indication of knowing where to move the ball, which shows at least a decent BBIQ.
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One possibility (kinda crazy) :
Bass, Terry, Sullinger, First
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Smith
Sign two guards, one forward
Do our best this year, go out with a bang next year when Rondo is back and KG and Pierce are still relevant.
8-man rotation this year:
KG, Pierce, Smith, Green, Lee, Bradley, Wilcox, FA Guard
8-man rotation next year:
Rondo, KG, Pierce, Smith, Green, Lee, Bradley, FA
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We can't get him as a free agent, meaning we would have to trade for him. But it would be virtually impossible to match salaries without including Pierce or Garnett. He makes a lot this season and the best we can do is Bass, Lee, Melo, picks and cash, and we wouldn't have a full squad after that.
Sign and trade in the offseason?
He isn't the best offensive player out there, but he is still an impact player.
But I'd consider this very unlikely.
I think we could perhaps sign him as a free agent, provided that KG and Pierce are off the books -- whether it's because of a trade, retirement, or (in Pierce's case) being waived.
Rondo - Bradley - Green - Smith - [whoever]
That's not the worst starting point for a competitive, team, but unless the "whoever" is a top 5 center, I'm not sure how that team does more than make it to the second round in any given season.
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We can't get him as a free agent, meaning we would have to trade for him. But it would be virtually impossible to match salaries without including Pierce or Garnett. He makes a lot this season and the best we can do is Bass, Lee, Melo, picks and cash, and we wouldn't have a full squad after that.
Sign and trade in the offseason?
He isn't the best offensive player out there, but he is still an impact player.
But I'd consider this very unlikely.
I think we could perhaps sign him as a free agent, provided that KG and Pierce are off the books -- whether it's because of a trade, retirement, or (in Pierce's case) being waived.
Rondo - Bradley - Green - Smith - [whoever]
That's not the worst starting point for a competitive, team, but unless the "whoever" is a top 5 center, I'm not sure how that team does more than make it to the second round in any given season.
With that roster you would have to hope that several of the following happened.
1. Rondo steps up and plays like he did in the playoffs against Miami for the entire season.
2. That Bradley and Sullinger become very good starters.
3. That Green continues to show the agressiveness he has showed recently.
4. That Josh Smith buys into Doc's system and stops shooting long two's.
5. That Ainge is able to work his magic and get a few bargain draft picks in the middle of the draft.
These aren't likely by any means but if we go this route in the offseason I promise that I will be championing these ideas in a few months.
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
Josh Smith is a player with a bad jump shot and a worse BBIQ. The thing he has going for him is freakish athleticism. He's going to turn 28 in the middle of next season. I really don't want to be the team paying 10 million plus to 33 year old Smith.
I don't agree with the basketball IQ comment. Yes he does take some bad shots, but having a PF who is second on his team in assists to me is an indication of knowing where to move the ball, which shows at least a decent BBIQ.
I like to compare him to Antoine Walker, a PF who once led his team in assists, in terms of being an obviously talented player who will drive fans crazy with questionable shot selection and bad decisions.
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Not a fan, and sorta immature, but of course I want him here
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
Josh Smith is a player with a bad jump shot and a worse BBIQ. The thing he has going for him is freakish athleticism. He's going to turn 28 in the middle of next season. I really don't want to be the team paying 10 million plus to 33 year old Smith.
I don't agree with the basketball IQ comment. Yes he does take some bad shots, but having a PF who is second on his team in assists to me is an indication of knowing where to move the ball, which shows at least a decent BBIQ.
I like to compare him to Antoine Walker, a PF who once led his team in assists, in terms of being an obviously talented player who will drive fans crazy with questionable shot selection and bad decisions.
Yup Antoine Walker Part II if ever he comes here. Then Rondo will be his Pierce Part II. Doc will be the Pitino and Doc will say "KG and Pierce ain't coming thru that Door"
;D
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Classic Gery Woelfel
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Jeff Green, Lee, 1st
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Josh
KG retires next year
Paul is traded or bought out
Sign Dwight
Rondo, Josh and Dwight are all chums right?
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Jeff Green, Lee, 1st
for
Josh
KG retires next year
Paul is traded or bought out
Sign Dwight
Rondo, Josh and Dwight are all chums right?
There's pretty much no way to make the floor spacing and free throws work with those three. You'd basically need JJ Redick and Kyle Korver as your wings, and Ryan Anderson and Matt Bonner off the bench.
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no brainer - get him if you can.
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If you have a player that’s want to come in, then it’s much, much easier for GM’s to work out something. Look at Orlando for exapmle and what they got in return for D-Hoo...
Let’s assume that RR, KG, PP and JET are not on the ice and that Danny is working with Sully, Avery, Green, Lee, Melo and Bass (Collins is left on purpose). I know what you thinking, also would not want part with AB and Green, but you have to send something out to receive something. If we include some other team that that has picks and is willing to accept player with multy year contract, then yea we might work something out till the deadline.
I wolud like to see him in Boston but under our terms and that means playing with KG and Pierce one year.
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We can't get him as a free agent, meaning we would have to trade for him. But it would be virtually impossible to match salaries without including Pierce or Garnett. He makes a lot this season and the best we can do is Bass, Lee, Melo, picks and cash, and we wouldn't have a full squad after that.
Sign and trade in the offseason?
He isn't the best offensive player out there, but he is still an impact player.
But I'd consider this very unlikely.
If KG knew he was going to retire, could he wait to do it after an off-season trade as a way of helping the team?
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I think if KG and Pierce retire they will have more than enough to bring in J Smoove at about 10-12 MM if my math is correct. If he will play for that I say sign him up.
The lineup would be Rondo, Bradley, Green, Smith, Sullinger (I assume they would bring Sully off the bench and try to acquire a center some how).
Now is this a world beating lineup? Of course not. Would this team play very good defense, move the ball, get up and down the court and be a lot of fun to watch? Absolutely.
your math is wrong.
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Huge fan, hope it happens, no max contract player.
Bold prediction: KG retires, Smith is his replacement, I would be OK with that. Smith will fit in our culture, he still plays hard and come one fix his shot selection and he is already 5 times better and less annoyiing. Rondo / Green / Smith / Bradley for the future, I'll go for it!
I think he deserves 12,5 / 15m a year.
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I know that we would have to send half of our active roster but they are all role players. So, if you have a chance to bring this type of palyer and pair him with those thee, then i say you do it a nd fill the rest of roster with cheap veterans and players from d league (just like miami did).
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Not interested in Smith at anything remotely close to a max contract.
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Hope it happens.
So this guy is a milwaukee bucks beat writer?
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Want Smith if Rondo, KG and Pierce are here next year to play with him. If we could somehow get Smith I bet KG sticks around next year. Not sure what the Hawks would want but I would be ready to send them a package with Lee Bass and Bradley.
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Want Smith if Rondo, KG and Pierce are here next year to play with him. If we could somehow get Smith I bet KG sticks around next year. Not sure what the Hawks would want but I would be ready to send them a package with Lee Bass and Bradley.
I agree with you here. But if we do this can we possibly round out a roster for the rest of the year?
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Not interested in Smith at anything remotely close to a max contract.
He can ask for a Max but that doesnt mean he is going to get it. Especially if its from a team that he really wants to play for.
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The idea of a team built around Rondo and Smith makes my head hurt, particularly once Garnett retires. Grumpy divas who are best friends -- maybe they can do one of those Snickers commercials together.
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Want Smith if Rondo, KG and Pierce are here next year to play with him. If we could somehow get Smith I bet KG sticks around next year. Not sure what the Hawks would want but I would be ready to send them a package with Lee Bass and Bradley.
without lee and bradley we are much worst team, even with smith around, na ah... i'll pass
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Although they're friends I don't see rondo and Smith as a good fit basketball wise at all
Smiths twice the immature knucklehead rondo ever dreamt of being, and he can't shoot
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
And when is the last time we've had a player of his caliber, wanting to be a Celtic, while entering their prime?
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I'm a J Smith guy but I would not give up Green for him at this point.
As far as a max contract forget it, but I think he is saying if they want him to stay in Atlanta than he wants the max. Seems like a way to get out of there.
It would take some creativity for sure. In this case Rondo, PP, Green and KG are off the list, but everyone else should be trade bait.
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you absolutely have to trade Green if you have a chance to get Smith. Smith is a much better rebounder, better low post player, defender, and passer.
I wouldnt give up Bradley,but a deal of green,lee,melo and possibly a pick I would do.
It would be awesome to get korver in the deal too, but more likely stevenson would be coming back
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you absolutely have to trade Green if you have a chance to get Smith. Smith is a much better rebounder, better low post player, defender, and passer.
The first two are because he is, in fact, a low-post player. Jeff Green isn't.
The second two are debatable.
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you absolutely have to trade Green if you have a chance to get Smith. Smith is a much better rebounder, better low post player, defender, and passer.
The first two are because he is, in fact, a low-post player. Jeff Green isn't.
The second two are debatable.
Jeff Greens is a superior perimeter defender and passer. Josh smith is an excellent rebounder and shot blocker. I think Jeff Green has a better offensive game though.
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The way Green is beginning to play is making him look like a bargain deal. He looks like a for sure 20 ppg scorer when given consistent starters minutes and a featured role on offense.
I wouldn't trade him for Smith when he could potentially be making only 50% the money and giving you 80-85% the production.
Assuming Smith doesn't get a Max deal but maybe something more along the lines of 14 mill per year then a trio of Rondo, Green, and Smith could only cost you around 35 mill. Adding to the fact Boston is normally ok with flirting with the luxury tax then that's only half your salary.
Could still sign another top flight player and have a couple guys making MLE type money and another couple guys on Rookie deals. In a few years we could only be a quality big man away from contending again.
Rondo, Bradley, Green, and Smith isn't too shabby for a core four in two years.
Send Lee to Memphis. Send Bass, Melo, and a first to Atlanta. Bring Smith to Boston. Sign some vet. min. guys and call it a day.
Terry, bradley, Pierce, Green, Smith, and KG is a good six players. We just need a couple more role players and we could do significant damage this year and beyond.
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Heres the deal I offer:
http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=cjwzv65 (http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=cjwzv65)
They take it. Freaking awesome lets do it. They say no, then we just move on with what we got for the rest of the year. Leaves us extremely thin at the guard spot but I like a lineup of Terry, Pierce, Green, Smith, and KG. Sign a guy like Dooling, Flynn or Christmas.
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Trying to come up with trades, that I think would be good value for Atlanta and that wouldn't severely affect Boston's title chances.
I think this is the best one I could do.
Bass, Lee, Sullinger, Melo, 2013 1st
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Smith, Stevenson
Atlanta gets some nice rotation players on reasonable contracts, 2 young players, and an extra 1st. Not a great deal, but not bad and certainly better than Brooklyn's presumed offer.
So Boston post trade would be
PG - Bradley, Terry
SG - Stevenson, Terry
SF - Pierce, Green
PF - Smith, Green
C - Garnett, Wilcox, Collins
That team is closer to a title this year and has the potential pairing of Rondo and Smith to build around going forward (with Green being a nice piece). If Smith does leave this summer, then there is a good chance PP, KG, and Terry all retire, and thus Boston would have cap space and could go into full on rebuilding.
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Huge fan, hope it happens, no max contract player.
Bold prediction: KG retires, Smith is his replacement, I would be OK with that. Smith will fit in our culture, he still plays hard and come one fix his shot selection and he is already 5 times better and less annoyiing. Rondo / Green / Smith / Bradley for the future, I'll go for it!
I think he deserves 12,5 / 15m a year.
there is no culture if kg retires? I also don't see how Smith would fit into said culture
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Heres the deal I offer:
http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=cjwzv65 (http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=cjwzv65)
They take it. Freaking awesome lets do it. They say no, then we just move on with what we got for the rest of the year. Leaves us extremely thin at the guard spot but I like a lineup of Terry, Pierce, Green, Smith, and KG. Sign a guy like Dooling, Flynn or Christmas.
Your link is messed up.
I do this. Atlanta seemed to really be interested in Melo around draft time. They get Bass who at least helps them reach the salary cap floor next season, a pick, and a trade exception via Lee to Memphis.
http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=bkw7bwa
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you absolutely have to trade Green if you have a chance to get Smith. Smith is a much better rebounder, better low post player, defender, and passer.
He's also a much bigger knucklehead.
Mike
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=bcxbyz6
meh
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Heres the deal I offer:
http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=cjwzv65 (http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=cjwzv65)
They take it. Freaking awesome lets do it. They say no, then we just move on with what we got for the rest of the year. Leaves us extremely thin at the guard spot but I like a lineup of Terry, Pierce, Green, Smith, and KG. Sign a guy like Dooling, Flynn or Christmas.
Your link is messed up.
I do this. Atlanta seemed to really be interested in Melo around draft time. They get Bass who at least helps them reach the salary cap floor next season, a pick, and a trade exception via Lee to Memphis.
http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=bkw7bwa
No NBA trade machine links are working right now......this seems to happen every 2 weeks lol
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Haven't read the whole thread, so don't know if anybody else suggested this, but...
A simple trade that could work for both teams is Rondo and Melo for Smith (no muss, no fuss). We lose nothing for this year and add a borderline all-star type. If Danny still really thinks we could make noise in the playoffs despite all our injuries, he could take the big gamble and try this, and he wouldn't have to decimate this year's squad to do it (and of course, he keeps KG and PP in the bargain).
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Haven't read the whole thread, so don't know if anybody else suggested this, but...
A simple trade that could work for both teams is Rondo and Melo for Smith (no muss, no fuss). We lose nothing for this year and add a borderline all-star type. If Danny still really thinks we could make noise in the playoffs despite all our injuries, he could take the big gamble and try this, and he wouldn't have to decimate this year's squad to do it (and of course, he keeps KG and PP in the bargain).
Rondo's probably the main reason Smith would want to come to Boston.
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Haven't read the whole thread, so don't know if anybody else suggested this, but...
A simple trade that could work for both teams is Rondo and Melo for Smith (no muss, no fuss). We lose nothing for this year and add a borderline all-star type. If Danny still really thinks we could make noise in the playoffs despite all our injuries, he could take the big gamble and try this, and he wouldn't have to decimate this year's squad to do it (and of course, he keeps KG and PP in the bargain).
Rondo's probably the main reason Smith would want to come to Boston.
True, but in a trade scenario, it really wouldn't matter what he wants. Now, keeping him beyond this year would be a different story.
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Haven't read the whole thread, so don't know if anybody else suggested this, but...
A simple trade that could work for both teams is Rondo and Melo for Smith (no muss, no fuss). We lose nothing for this year and add a borderline all-star type. If Danny still really thinks we could make noise in the playoffs despite all our injuries, he could take the big gamble and try this, and he wouldn't have to decimate this year's squad to do it (and of course, he keeps KG and PP in the bargain).
Rondo's probably the main reason Smith would want to come to Boston.
True, but in a trade scenario, it really wouldn't matter what he wants. Now, keeping him beyond this year would be a different story.
If it doesn't really matter what he wants then it wouldn't matter that he's interested in Boston and Atlanta would have plenty of trade partners that were probably willing to offer something other than a player that's out for the year with a knee injury.
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Haven't read the whole thread, so don't know if anybody else suggested this, but...
A simple trade that could work for both teams is Rondo and Melo for Smith (no muss, no fuss). We lose nothing for this year and add a borderline all-star type. If Danny still really thinks we could make noise in the playoffs despite all our injuries, he could take the big gamble and try this, and he wouldn't have to decimate this year's squad to do it (and of course, he keeps KG and PP in the bargain).
Rondo's probably the main reason Smith would want to come to Boston.
True, but in a trade scenario, it really wouldn't matter what he wants. Now, keeping him beyond this year would be a different story.
If it doesn't really matter what he wants then it wouldn't matter that he's interested in Boston and Atlanta would have plenty of trade partners that were probably willing to offer something other than a player that's out for the year with a knee injury.
Be real. Boston is way less attractive to Smith if Rondo is gone. Not only are they best friends but what is so exciting about playing for Boston without Rondo? Sully Bradley and Green in a couple years.
Kg sounds like he might retire this year and Paul is gone after next year if the only guys he's playing with of substance are Terry, Bradley, Smith, Green, and Sully.
Sorry Lee and Bass, but you guys don't get it done.
Smith would be walking into a worse situation, if traded for Rondo, in Boston then in Atlanta. At least in Atlanta he has Horford.
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only way I see Smith to Boston at the deadline is if some 3rd team is willing to eat salary and Boston manages to get extra bodies tossed in
I don't see us trading Rondo, I don't see us trading KG or Pierce, so that leaves us with just a pupu platter of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry to offer up - and it would likely take a sweetener like Sullinger to make it happen
the only reason we'd have any hope of pulling it off would be because the Hawks are getting low-balled
probably a great chance of happening in the offseason if we find a way to clear the deck of salaries via retirement parties and such - or I suppose some kind of sign-and-trade could be worked out too, but same problems as above
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only way I see Smith to Boston is if some 3rd team is willing to eat salary and Boston manages to get extra bodies tossed in
I don't see us trading Rondo, I don't see us trading KG or Pierce, so that leaves us with just a pupu platter of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry to offer up - and it would likely take a sweetener like Sullinger to make it happen
the only reason we'd have any hope of pulling it off would be because the Hawks are getting low-balled
probably a great chance of happening in the offseason if we find a way to clear the deck of salaries via retirement parties and such
The deal that I think made sense earlier in the year, and makes even more sense now that Green is playing well, and his value is higher is this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a4v7jb9
Boston gets Smith and Stevenson (perhaps throw Livingston in as well, but he can't be traded until tomorrow)
Cleveland gets Green
Atlanta gets Bass, Walton (expiring), Melo, Pick from Cleveland, Pick from Boston (or maybe even two picks from Cleveland...Green has looked very good lately)
If you need, you can try to send Bass to a 4th team for another expiring contract, although Atlanta might not be too opposed to taking him as a cost controlled rotation big man.
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Haven't read the whole thread, so don't know if anybody else suggested this, but...
A simple trade that could work for both teams is Rondo and Melo for Smith (no muss, no fuss). We lose nothing for this year and add a borderline all-star type. If Danny still really thinks we could make noise in the playoffs despite all our injuries, he could take the big gamble and try this, and he wouldn't have to decimate this year's squad to do it (and of course, he keeps KG and PP in the bargain).
Rondo's probably the main reason Smith would want to come to Boston.
True, but in a trade scenario, it really wouldn't matter what he wants. Now, keeping him beyond this year would be a different story.
If it doesn't really matter what he wants then it wouldn't matter that he's interested in Boston and Atlanta would have plenty of trade partners that were probably willing to offer something other than a player that's out for the year with a knee injury.
Maybe Atlanta would have better offers and maybe they wouldn't. Assuming Rondo comes back completely, he's a better player than Smith, so I'm not sure how much better they could do for Smith.
And yeah, if it's a trade, it doesn't really matter what Smith wants. It's the team trading for him that takes on the risk of being able to re-sign him or not.
I don't much care about getting him anyway, because I regard him a lot like I regarded Antoine; a talented guy who doesn't play the right way. I'm just noodling around, because I think it's unlikely in the extreme that he comes to Boston. You either gut your team to get him (and why would Atlanta want any part of that?), or you do something involving Rondo, PP, or KG. So, very, very unlikely.
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only way I see Smith to Boston at the deadline is if some 3rd team is willing to eat salary and Boston manages to get extra bodies tossed in
I don't see us trading Rondo, I don't see us trading KG or Pierce, so that leaves us with just a pupu platter of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry to offer up - and it would likely take a sweetener like Sullinger to make it happen
the only reason we'd have any hope of pulling it off would be because the Hawks are getting low-balled
probably a great chance of happening in the offseason if we find a way to clear the deck of salaries via retirement parties and such - or I suppose some kind of sign-and-trade could be worked out too, but same problems as above
I agree. It's why in any deal I have proposed it has Lee being absorbed by Memphis with their Trade Exception.
The Grizzlies are far enough under the luxury tax that they're willing to utilize at least part of their $7.5 million trade exception to add some perimeter help. Acquiring SG Courtney Lee, who Boston would consider flipping for some frontline help, was discussed but the Celtics aren't looking just to drop salary but add size.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21669866/report-memphis-not-done-dealing-could-target-bostons-courtney-lee
Does Smith count as size?
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only way I see Smith to Boston is if some 3rd team is willing to eat salary and Boston manages to get extra bodies tossed in
I don't see us trading Rondo, I don't see us trading KG or Pierce, so that leaves us with just a pupu platter of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry to offer up - and it would likely take a sweetener like Sullinger to make it happen
the only reason we'd have any hope of pulling it off would be because the Hawks are getting low-balled
probably a great chance of happening in the offseason if we find a way to clear the deck of salaries via retirement parties and such
The deal that I think made sense earlier in the year, and makes even more sense now that Green is playing well, and his value is higher is this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a4v7jb9
Boston gets Smith and Stevenson (perhaps throw Livingston in as well, but he can't be traded until tomorrow)
Cleveland gets Green
Atlanta gets Bass, Walton (expiring), Melo, Pick from Cleveland, Pick from Boston (or maybe even two picks from Cleveland...Green has looked very good lately)
If you need, you can try to send Bass to a 4th team for another expiring contract, although Atlanta might not be too opposed to taking him as a cost controlled rotation big man.
No way cleveland would give up lottery picks for Jeff Green
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only way I see Smith to Boston is if some 3rd team is willing to eat salary and Boston manages to get extra bodies tossed in
I don't see us trading Rondo, I don't see us trading KG or Pierce, so that leaves us with just a pupu platter of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry to offer up - and it would likely take a sweetener like Sullinger to make it happen
the only reason we'd have any hope of pulling it off would be because the Hawks are getting low-balled
probably a great chance of happening in the offseason if we find a way to clear the deck of salaries via retirement parties and such
The deal that I think made sense earlier in the year, and makes even more sense now that Green is playing well, and his value is higher is this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a4v7jb9
Boston gets Smith and Stevenson (perhaps throw Livingston in as well, but he can't be traded until tomorrow)
Cleveland gets Green
Atlanta gets Bass, Walton (expiring), Melo, Pick from Cleveland, Pick from Boston (or maybe even two picks from Cleveland...Green has looked very good lately)
If you need, you can try to send Bass to a 4th team for another expiring contract, although Atlanta might not be too opposed to taking him as a cost controlled rotation big man.
No way cleveland would give up lottery picks for Jeff Green
Sorry, should have clarified. Cleveland has a stockpile of 4 first rounders in addition to all of their own. It would be one or two of them. They are from the Lakers, Heat, Kings, and Grizzlies.
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Heres the deal I offer:
http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=cjwzv65 (http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=cjwzv65)
They take it. Freaking awesome lets do it. They say no, then we just move on with what we got for the rest of the year. Leaves us extremely thin at the guard spot but I like a lineup of Terry, Pierce, Green, Smith, and KG. Sign a guy like Dooling, Flynn or Christmas.
Your link is messed up.
I do this. Atlanta seemed to really be interested in Melo around draft time. They get Bass who at least helps them reach the salary cap floor next season, a pick, and a trade exception via Lee to Memphis.
http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=bkw7bwa
No NBA trade machine links are working right now......this seems to happen every 2 weeks lol
Haha i was just going to say so is yours...
Anyway here is what mine was
Lee, Bass, Melo draft pick
For Smith.
Hawks say yes then done deal. If they say no (which they most likely would) move on with what we got.
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You guys are crazy if you don't want josh smith. Now if we're talking max contract then no but if he comes for a discount of course you take him.
And when is the last time we've had a player of his caliber, wanting to be a Celtic, while entering their prime?
I keep saying this. People keep saying "we won't get far with a core of Smith and Rondo" or "he's a good player, but we need a superstar."
My question is, who is this superstar player that we can get that actually wants to be in Boston? We've tried to go for Cp3, but he made it very clear he didn't want to be here. We were never on Dwight Howard's radar. No one is patient enough to tank to get a high lottery pick to develop into our next superstar.
So who are these superstars ripe for the picking?
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Trying to come up with trades, that I think would be good value for Atlanta and that wouldn't severely affect Boston's title chances.
I think this is the best one I could do.
Bass, Lee, Sullinger, Melo, 2013 1st
for
Smith, Stevenson
Atlanta gets some nice rotation players on reasonable contracts, 2 young players, and an extra 1st. Not a great deal, but not bad and certainly better than Brooklyn's presumed offer.
So Boston post trade would be
PG - Bradley, Terry
SG - Stevenson, Terry
SF - Pierce, Green
PF - Smith, Green
C - Garnett, Wilcox, Collins
That team is closer to a title this year and has the potential pairing of Rondo and Smith to build around going forward (with Green being a nice piece). If Smith does leave this summer, then there is a good chance PP, KG, and Terry all retire, and thus Boston would have cap space and could go into full on rebuilding.
I keep forgetting Memphis presumably wants Lee. That might be a way to clear some future cap space from Atlanta in the trade. Maybe send Lee to Memphis in the trade and then Atlanta doesn't take on the salary or maybe Memphis sends Allen to Atlanta so they replace Stevenson with a guy expiring who does what Stevenson does but better.
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Boston OUT: Green, Lee, Bass, First
Boston IN: J.Smith, J.Bayless, Q.Pondexter
Memphis OUT: J.Bayless, Q.Pondexter
Memphis IN: Lee
Atlanta OUT: J.Smith
Atlanta IN: Green, Bass, BOS First
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Boston OUT: Green, Lee, Bass, First
Boston IN: J.Smith, J.Bayless, Q.Pondexter
Memphis OUT: J.Bayless, Q.Pondexter
Memphis IN: Lee
Atlanta OUT: J.Smith
Atlanta IN: Green, Bass, BOS First
Big win for boston.
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if memphis wants lee they could send their trade exception to atlanta
boston sends green and a 1st to atlanta
Bos gets stevenson and smith
Atl gets green, draft pick and trade exception
mem gets lee
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Boston OUT: Green, Lee, Bass, First
Boston IN: J.Smith, J.Bayless, Q.Pondexter
Memphis OUT: J.Bayless, Q.Pondexter
Memphis IN: Lee
Atlanta OUT: J.Smith
Atlanta IN: Green, Bass, BOS First
Big win for boston.
I know ;)
Still, I think it's a pretty fair trade all around. I love Bayless, btw.
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just wait till the Summer. This has been in the making for years.
He wants to play here with Rondo, Doc, and an a real organization.
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I can't see the Celts getting Josh Smith, but it's nice (if true) that a high profile player really does want to come to Boston. That doesn't happen much!
It would be great to get Smith, and keep Avery, Green & Sully. I don't know how that could possibly happen though.
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Smith is a very undisciplined player. Amazing ability; but he must drive coaches crazy. He also has a habit of disappearing during important games.
I say no!
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Smith is a very undisciplined player. Amazing ability; but he must drive coaches crazy. He also has a habit of disappearing during important games.
I say no!
people must really think before posting
1) will pierce and kg retire next season?
2) will danny ferry just let smith walk and go to celtics without getting something?
3) is it enough to give him max contract if rondo pierce and kg was still here?
4) will danny ainge say YES if smith say's i want max contract?
5) rondo and him are teammates the past years since high school?
6) can rondo and smith both bring this team to a championship ring? with rondo's attitude?without a good bench players like we have?
7) will the duo of smith-rondo works while rondo hog the ball so long?
8 ) what if smith keeps on hitting 3's and missed all the time?
9) what if the celtics did not make it to playoffs with smith on the team? what will be the fans reactions?
10)can we sign another good player with smith max contract going to hard salary cap? or we are stuck at PF smith's contract and just signed some veteran old washed out players?
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Maybe we should start a poll about whether or not Boston is really Josh Smith's top destination? Thoughts?
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The deal that I think made sense earlier in the year, and makes even more sense now that Green is playing well, and his value is higher is this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a4v7jb9
Boston gets Smith and Stevenson (perhaps throw Livingston in as well, but he can't be traded until tomorrow)
Cleveland gets Green
Atlanta gets Bass, Walton (expiring), Melo, Pick from Cleveland, Pick from Boston (or maybe even two picks from Cleveland...Green has looked very good lately)
If you need, you can try to send Bass to a 4th team for another expiring contract, although Atlanta might not be too opposed to taking him as a cost controlled rotation big man.
I don't think Atlanta would be willing to take Bass.
I think we'd have to expand the Cleveland side of that deal. Include Lee instead of Bass with Cleveland throwing in Gibson and Miles or Casspi.
That way Atlanta gets all expirings to go along with Melo and picks.
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If he wants to be a Celtic so bad just make it known out loud and sign here in the offseason. By the sounds of it KG might be retiring, and we can always trade a player to make cap room for him.
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The deal that I think made sense earlier in the year, and makes even more sense now that Green is playing well, and his value is higher is this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a4v7jb9
Boston gets Smith and Stevenson (perhaps throw Livingston in as well, but he can't be traded until tomorrow)
Cleveland gets Green
Atlanta gets Bass, Walton (expiring), Melo, Pick from Cleveland, Pick from Boston (or maybe even two picks from Cleveland...Green has looked very good lately)
If you need, you can try to send Bass to a 4th team for another expiring contract, although Atlanta might not be too opposed to taking him as a cost controlled rotation big man.
I don't think Atlanta would be willing to take Bass.
I think we'd have to expand the Cleveland side of that deal. Include Lee instead of Bass with Cleveland throwing in Gibson and Miles or Casspi.
That way Atlanta gets all expirings to go along with Melo and picks.
i'm not just wasting my pick for a horrible very huge max contract, while some draftees next year, some are really good
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Ainge knows that to win, he's going to have to beat the Heat. If they can somehow acquire Smith without giving up Green, you have to say that this combo will be as good as you could possibly ask for as a Lebron-stopper. Combine that with Bradley on Wade, and you make Lebron/Wade combo human...
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only way I see Smith to Boston at the deadline is if some 3rd team is willing to eat salary and Boston manages to get extra bodies tossed in
I don't see us trading Rondo, I don't see us trading KG or Pierce, so that leaves us with just a pupu platter of Green/Bass/Lee/Terry to offer up - and it would likely take a sweetener like Sullinger to make it happen
the only reason we'd have any hope of pulling it off would be because the Hawks are getting low-balled
probably a great chance of happening in the offseason if we find a way to clear the deck of salaries via retirement parties and such - or I suppose some kind of sign-and-trade could be worked out too, but same problems as above
I agree. It's why in any deal I have proposed it has Lee being absorbed by Memphis with their Trade Exception.
The Grizzlies are far enough under the luxury tax that they're willing to utilize at least part of their $7.5 million trade exception to add some perimeter help. Acquiring SG Courtney Lee, who Boston would consider flipping for some frontline help, was discussed but the Celtics aren't looking just to drop salary but add size.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21669866/report-memphis-not-done-dealing-could-target-bostons-courtney-lee
Does Smith count as size?
More on Memphis wanting to absorb Lee.
I know that current Griz management is fond of Lee mainly because they represented him (Stu Lash). But it’s hard to tell what Boston’s thinking is. If the Celtics traded Lee to the Griz into a trade exception it would be a salary dump. Right now, it looks like Boston is in a holding pattern given how well they are doing without Rondo.
http://blogs.commercialappeal.com/the_memphis_edge/2013/02/chat-live-with-grizzlies-beat-reporter-ron-tillery-on-thursday.html
Lee to Memphis.
Smith to Boston.
Atlanta does receive Bass. Yet, the motivation to take him on is shaving some payroll by not taking Lee in getting rid of Smith. Also Boston makes it more worth their while by giving them a first and Fab ( a prospect they really liked during draft time ).
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/
After trade we have te most athletic starting five in NBA:
Bledsoe, Bradley, Green, Smith and Jordan.
The bench Terry, Morrow, Stevenson, Butler, Johnson, Wilcox, Collins
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Boston OUT: Green, Lee, Bass, First
Boston IN: J.Smith, J.Bayless, Q.Pondexter
Memphis OUT: J.Bayless, Q.Pondexter
Memphis IN: Lee
Atlanta OUT: J.Smith
Atlanta IN: Green, Bass, BOS First
Do it now!
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One thing, if the C's do get Smith, I hope the nickname "smoove" dies a quick death. I HATE that nickname.
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One thing, if the C's do get Smith, I hope the nickname "smoove" dies a quick death. I HATE that nickname.
Agreed...it's awful and a turn off and makes me laugh just reading this thread title
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Nearly impossible to imagine a Cs package that Ferry would actually want for Smith without the name Rondo in it. Ferry is not going to take back two mediocre long-term deals for Smith.
Meanwhile, even if the Cs could clear enough space to sign him this summer, they have very intelligent folks running the org that would not be dumb enough to do so. Thank god.