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Title: Pick 2: Draft Order (order for Coaches round posted on pg 204)
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 08:15:38 AM
Without further adieu, here's the draft order:

28. TheTruthFot18
27. slamtheking
26. CelticFan9
25. KCAtTheStripe
24. nickagneta
23. Evantime34
22. BleedGreen1989
21. Fairweatherfan
20. StartOrien
19. snively
18. jgod213
17. Lucky17 / RebusRanking
16. IndeedProceed
15. CelticConcourse
14. Who
13. KGsKnee
12. Salt Lover
11. wdleehi
10. Yoki_IsTheName
9. ronaldo943
8. Atzar
7. sofutomygaha
6. AB_Celtic
5. Rondo2287
4. BigAlTheFuture
3. Celtic Fan Forever 
2. Edgar
1. celticpride07

TheTruthFot18 gets first selection of teams; celticpride07 will get first selection of players (after keepers are selected.)

A GM should announce his keepers at the same time as selecting his team.  The time for individual draft slots will be announced some time this afternoon / evening.

If a GM misses his draft slot, he will be skipped.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 08:15:49 AM
Draft order for teams and keepers.

The time listed is when both your teams and keepers are due by.

Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18 OKC Thunder:  Durant, Westbrook
10:30am slamtheking Miami Heat: Lebron, Bosh
11:00am. CelticFan9 San Antonio Spurs: Duncan, Parker
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe Detroit Pistons: Monroe, Drummond
12:00pm nickagneta LA Lakers:  Kobe, Howard
12:30pm Evantime34 LA Clippers: Chris Paul, Blake Griffindor
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989 Minnesota Twolves: Love, Rubio
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan    NY Knicks: Carmelo and Chandler,
2:00pm. StartOrien  Boston Celtics:  Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
2:30pm. snively   Houston: Harden and Asik.
3:00pm. jgod213 Indiana Pacers: Paul George & Roy Hibbert
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking Portland Trailblazers: LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard
4:00pm  IndeedProceed Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson
4:30pm  CelticConcourse Memphis Grizzlies: Randolph, Gasol

Friday, February 15:

10:00am: Who New Orleans Hornets: Davis, Gordon
10:30am: KGsKnee Brooklyn Nets: Lopez, Williams
11:00am: Salt Lover  Denver Nuggets: Lawson, Faried
11:30am: wdleehi Golden State Warriors: Curry, Thompson
12:00pm: Yoki_IsTheName Chicago Bulls:  Deng, Noah
12:30pm: ronaldo943 Philadelphia 76ers: Holiday, Bynum
1:00pm: Atzar Washington Wizards: John Wall, Bradley Beal
1:30pm: sofutomygaha Sacramento Kings: Evans, Cousins
2:00pm: AB_Celtic Milwaukee Bucks:  Jennings, Ellis
2:30pm: Rondo2287 Atlanta Hawks:  Al Horford, Josh Smith
3:00pm: BigAlTheFuture Dallas Mavericks:  Dirk, Mayo
3:30pm: Celtic Fan Forever Toronto Raptors: Gay, Lowry
4:00pm Edgar  Utah:  Al Jefferson and Derrick Favors
4:30pm celticpride07  Suns:  Dragic, Gortat

Budgets:

    Atlanta Hawks: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Boston Celtics $71.6 million
    Brookyln Nets: $83.1 million
    Charlotte Bobcats: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Chicago Bulls: $74.1 million
    Cleveland Cavaliers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Dallas Mavericks: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Denver Nuggets: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Detroit Pistons: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Golden State Warriors: $71.5 million
    Houston Rockets: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Indiana Pacers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Los Angeles Clippers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Los Angeles Lakers:  $99.9 million
    Memphis Grizzlies: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Miami Heat: $83.4 million
    Milwaukee Bucks: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Minnesota Timberwolves: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    New Orleans Hornets: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    New York Knicks: $81.1 million
    Oklahoma City Thunder: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Orlando Magic: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Philadelphia 76ers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Phoenix Suns: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Portland Trail Blazers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Sacramento Kings: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    San Antonio Spurs: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Toronto Raptors: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Utah Jazz: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Washington Wizards: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)

Salaries will be determined via shamsports.com.  If you draft a player who is eligible but doesn't have a salary this year, the Commish will assign a salary to that player.  Teams can not go over the cap at any time.


Trades:

#1: Lakers send Kobe Bryant and 4.24
Nets send Deron Williams and 3.13

#2:  Cavs send: 1.16, 2.16
76ers send: Andrew Bynum, 3.9

#3:  Hawks send: Josh Smith, 2.5, 4.5
76ers send 1.9, 1.16, 6.9

#4: Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.26, 4.26
Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20

#5: Spurs Trade: Tony Parker, 3.26
Wizards Trade: John Wall

#6: Washington trades Bradley Beal, 2.8, 5.8
Denver trades 1.12, 3.12, 4.12

#7: Minnesota sends: Ricky Rubio, 5.22
Dallas sends: 2.4, 4.4

#8: Cavs Send: Tristan Thompson, 3.9
Wizards Send: 2.6, 3.26

#9: Milwaukee sends 3.8, 3.13, 3.24, 8.6
Portland sends Wes Matthews, 4.17, 5.17, 7.17

#10: Knicks send: Gerald Wallace and 6.21
Suns Send: 3.1 and 5.1

#11: Houston sent Asik and 9.19
Memphis sent Nene and 6.15

#12: Denver sent Faried and 2.24
Sacramento sent Cousins and 5.7

#13: Knicks  trade: 3.1 3.21 5.21
TWolves  trade: Paul Millsap 4.22 6.22

#14:  Oklahoma City trades: Thadeus Young, 2.28 and 4.28
Denver Nuggets for: JJ Hickson, 3.3, and 5.12

#15:  Thunder send:  Russell Westbrook, J.J Hickson, 3.3
76ers send, Jrue Holiday, Josh Smith, 5.9

#16:  Knicks  trade: 3.1 3.21 5.21
TWolves  trade: Paul Millsap 4.22 6.22

#17:  Cavs send 3.16, 3.26, 4.16
T-wolves send 3.1, 4.4, 5.21

#18:  Warriors send Thompson, 2.11, 8.11
Grizzlies send M. Gasol, 3.15, 10.15

#19:  Cavs trade: 3.1, 4.4
Hawks Trade: 3.5, 3.22

#20: Portland Sends: 6.17, 8.6, 8.17
SAS Sends: 5.20, 5.26

#21: PHX trades Brandon Bass & 6.1
MIN trades Dion Waiters & John Hensen

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 08:16:03 AM
Round 1 (Monday, February 18)

1.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns): Dwyane Wade
1.2 -  10:10am Edgar (Utah Jazz): Derek Rose
1.3 -  10:20am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors): Serge Ibaka
1.4 -  10:30am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks): Paul Pierce
1.5 -  10:40am: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks): Nicolas Batum
1.6 -  10:50am: AB_Celtic (Milwaukee Bucks): David Lee
1.7 -  11:00am sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings): Rajon Rondo
1.8 -  11:10am Atzar (Washington Wizards): Nikola Pekovic
1.9 -  11:20am: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers) Hawks: Paul Millsap
1.10 - 11:30am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls): Andre Iguodala
1.11 - 11:40am: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors):  Danilo Gallinari
1.12 - 11:50am: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets) Wizards: Pau Gasol
1.13 - 1:30pm: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets): Kawhi Leonard
1.14 - 1:40pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets): Amare Stoudemire
1.15 - 1:50pm  CelticConcourse (Memphis Grizzlies): Greivis Vasquez
1.16 - 2:00pm  IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavaliers) 76ers Hawks: Danny Granger
1.17 - 2:10pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers):  David West
1.18 - 2:20pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers): Steve Nash 
1.19 - 2:30pm. snively   (Houston): Manu Ginobili
1.20 - 2:40pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics) Spurs: Gordon Hayward
1.21 - 2:50pm: Fairweatherfan    (NY Knicks): Mike Conley
1.22 - 3:00pm: BleedGreen1989 (Minnesota Twolves): Nikola Vucevic
1.23 - 3:10pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers): Larry Sanders
1.24 - 3:20pm nickagneta (LA Lakers): Andre Kirilenko
1.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons): Chandler Parsons
1.26 - 3:40pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs): Taj Gibson
1.27 - 3:50pm slamtheking (Miami Heat): Emeka Okafor
1.28 - 4:00pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder): Thad Young
Round 2 (Tuesday, February 19)

2.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns): Carlos Boozer
2.2 -  10:10am Edgar (Utah Jazz): Evan Turner
2.3 -  10:20am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors): JJ Hickson
2.4 -  10:30am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks) TWolves Mavs: DeAndre Jordan
2.5 -  10:40am: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks)76ers: Jamal Crawford
2.6 -  10:50am: AB_Celtic (Milwaukee Bucks) Wizards Cavs: Ryan Anderson  
2.7 -  11:00am sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings): Anderson Varejao
2.8 -  11:10am Atzar (Washington Wizards) Nuggets: Andrew Bogut
2.9 -  11:20am: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers): JaVale McGee
2.10 - 11:30am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls): Joe Johnson
2.11 - 11:40am: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors) Grizzlies:  Nene
2.12 - 11:50am: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets) Lakers: JJ Reddick

BREAK!!!

2.13 - 1:30pm: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets): George Hill
2.14 - 1:40pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets): Enes Kanter
2.15 - 1:50pm  CelticConcourse (Memphis Grizzlies): Jeff Green
2.16 - 2:00pm  IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavaliers) 76ers: Kevin Martin
2.17 - 2:10pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers): Wes Matthews
2.18 - 2:20pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers): Arron Affalo
2.19 - 2:30pm. snively   (Houston):  Wilson Chandler
2.20 - 2:40pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics): Jared Dudley
2.21 - 2:50pm: Fairweatherfan    (NY Knicks): Gerald Wallace
2.22 - 3:00pm: BleedGreen1989 (Minnesota Twolves) Mavericks: Demar Derozan
2.23 - 3:10pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers):Kyle Korver     
2.24 - 3:20pm nickagneta (LA Lakers): Sac : Ersan Ilyasova
2.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons): Darren Collison
2.26 - 3:40pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs)Celtics: J. R. Smith
2.27 - 3:50pm slamtheking (Miami Heat): Brandon Knight
2.28 - 4:00pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder): Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

Round 3 (Wednesday, February 20)

3.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns) Hawks: Jose Calderon
3.2 -  10:10am Edgar (Utah Jazz): Luis Scola
3.3 -  10:20am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors) Sixers: Shawn Marion
3.4 -  10:30am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks) Wolves: Kemba Walker
3.5 -  10:40am: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks) Cavs: Harrison Barnes
3.6 -  10:50am: AB_Celtic (Milwaukee Bucks) Lakers: Tiago Splitter 
3.7 -  11:00am sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings): Kosta Koufos
3.8 -  11:10am Atzar (Washington Wizards) Blazers: Tayshaun Prince
3.9 -  11:20am: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers) Wizards: Danny Green
3.10 - 11:30am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls):  Elton Brand
3.11 - 11:40am: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors): Carl Landry
3.12 - 11:50am: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets) Wizards Bucks: Martell Webster

BREAK

3.13 - 1:30pm: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets) Lakers Blazers: Thabo Sefolosha
3.14 - 1:40pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets): Jarrett Jack
3.15 - 1:50pm  CelticConcourse (Memphis Grizzlies) Warriors: Eric Bledsoe
3.16 - 2:00pm  IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavaliers) Wolves: Jeff Teague
3.17 - 2:10pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers):  Jason Terry
3.18 - 2:20pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers):  Tony Allen
3.19 - 2:30pm. snively   (Houston): Spencer Hawes
3.20 - 2:40pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics): Jeremy Lin
3.21 - 2:50pm: Fairweatherfan  (NY Knicks) Cavs: Kirk Hinrich
3.22 - 3:00pm: BleedGreen1989 (Minnesota Twolves): Thomas Robinson
3.23 - 3:10pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers): Iman Shumpert
3.24 - 3:20pm nickagneta (LA Lakers) Blazers: Jonas Valanciunas
3.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons): Courtney Lee
3.26 - 3:40pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs) Wizards Wolves: John Henson 
3.27 - 3:50pm slamtheking (Miami Heat): Lou Williams
3.28 - 4:00pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder): Ray Allen
Round 4 (Thursday, February 21)

4.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns) Nets: Andray Blatche
4.2 -  10:10am Edgar (Utah Jazz): Gerald Henderson
4.3 -  10:20am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors): Ben Gordon
4.4 -  10:30am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks) Hawks: Robin Lopez
4.5 -  10:40am: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks) 76ers: Reggie Evans
4.6 -  10:50am: AB_Celtic (Milwaukee Bucks) Raptors: Sammy Dalembert
4.7 -  11:00am sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings): Amir Johnson
4.8 -  11:10am Atzar (Washington Wizards): Earl Clark
4.9 -  11:20am: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers): Al Farouq Aminu
4.10 - 11:30am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls):  Chauncey Billups
4.11 - 11:40am: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors): Marco Belinelli
4.12 - 11:50am: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets) Wizards: Caron Butler

BREAK

4.13 - 1:30pm: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets): Matt Barnes
4.14 - 1:40pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets): Luc Mbah a Moute
4.15 - 1:50pm  CelticConcourse (Memphis Grizzlies): Andre Miller
4.16 - 2:00pm  IndeedProceed (Cleveland) Minnesota:  Dion Waiters
4.17 - 2:10pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland) Milwaukee Bucks:  Trevor Ariza
4.18 - 2:20pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers):  Patrick Patterson
4.19 - 2:30pm. snively   (Houston):  Mario Chalmers
4.20 - 2:40pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics):  Jason Kidd
4.21 - 2:50pm: Fairweatherfan    (NY Knicks):  Ed Davis
4.22 - 3:00pm: BleedGreen1989 (Twolves) NY Knicks:  Jimmy Butler
4.23 - 3:10pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers):  Corey Brewer
4.24 - 3:20pm nickagneta (LA Lakers) Nets Phoenix:  Brandon Bass
4.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons):  Andrea Bargnani
4.26 - 3:40pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs) Celtics:  Shane Battier
4.27 - 3:50pm slamtheking (Miami Heat): Mo Williams
4.28 - 4:00pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder) Denver: Rip Hamilton

Round 5 (Friday, February 22)

5.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns):Randy Foye
5.2 -  10:10am Edgar (Utah Jazz):Derrick Williams
5.3 -  10:20am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors):Vince Carter
5.4 -  10:30am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks):Alonzo Gee
5.5 -  10:40am: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks): Ronnie Brewer
5.6 -  10:50am:  Atzar (Washington Wizards)Carlos Delfino
5.7 -  11:00am Celtics Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors):Boris Diaw
5.8 -  11:10am Nckagneta(Lakers): Metta World Peace
5.9 -  11:20am: TheTruthFot18 (Oklahoma City Thunder): Jason Thompson
5.10 - 11:30am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls): Glen Davis
5.11 - 11:40am: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors): LaVoy Allen
5.12 - 11:50am: TheTruthFot18(Oklahoma City Thunder): Jason Thompson

5.13 - 1:30pm: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets)Blazers: Ramon Sessions
5.14 - 1:40pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets): Chase Budinger
5.15 - 1:50pm  Atzar (Washington Wizards): Bismack Biyumbo 
5.16 - 2:00pm  IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavaliers): Lance Stephenson
5.17 - 2:10pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers) Bucks:  Ian Mahinmi
5.18 - 2:20pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers) Cavs: Isaiah Thomas
5.19 - 2:30pm. snively   (Houston): Marvin Williams
5.20 - 2:40pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics) Spurs Blazers: Nick Collison
5.21 - 2:50pm: Fairweatherfan (NY Knicks) Cavaliers: Greg Smith
5.22 - 3:00pm: BigAltheFuture (Dallas Mavericks):  Raymond Felton
5.23 - 3:10pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers):  Marcus Thornton
5.24 - 3:20pm nickagneta (LA Lakers):  Mike Dunleavy
5.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons):  Rodney Stuckey
5.26 - 3:40pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs) Blazers:  Kyle Singler
5.27 - 3:50pm slamtheking (Miami Heat):  Byron Mullens
5.28 - 4:00pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder):  Alexey Shved

Coaches Round

The order for the coaches round:

1. CelticConcourse - Greg Popovich
2. Who Tom Thibodeau
3. IndeedProceed Rick Carlisle
4. KGsKnee Phil Jackson
5. Lucky17 Frank Vogel
6. AirBellinelli Scott Brooks
7. jgod213 George Karl
8. wdleehi Rick Adelman
9. snively Kevin McHale
10. Yoki_IsTheName Monty Williams
11. StartOrien Jerry Sloan
12. ronaldo943 Mike Krzyzewski
13. Fairweatherfan Pat Riley
14. Atzar Doc Rivers
15. BleedGreen1989 Brian Shaw
16. sofutomygaha Geno Auriemma
17. Evantime34 Mark Jackson
18. AB_Celtic Lionel Hollins
19. nickagneta Larry Brown
20. Rondo2287 P. J. Carlesimo
21. KCAtTheStripe Patrick Ewing
22. BigAlTheFuture Pick any time
23. CelticsFan9 Mike Woodson
24. Celtic Fan Forever Pick any time
25. slamtheking Jeff Van Gundy
26. Edgar Eric Spoelstra
27. TheTruthFot18
28. celticpride07 Doug Collins

Quote
First pick is due by 10:00am Saturday.

Subsequent picks are due 2 hours from when the guy in front of you went "off the clock" (either because he was skipped or because he picked.)

Example:  if CelticConcourse doesn't pick, Who goes on the clock at 12:00pm.  However, if CC picks at 9:50am, Who's pick is due by 11:50am.

The draft times will be between 8am and 6pm.  If the guy in front of you picks later than 6pm, your pick isn't due in two hours.  Rather, you have until 8am to get your selection in.

Round 6 (Monday, February 25)

6.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns) Minnesota: Chris Kaman
6.2 -  10:10am Edgar (Utah Jazz): Luke Ridnour
6.3 -  10:20am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors) Denver Nuggets: Nick Young
6.4 -  10:30am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks): DeJuan Blair
6.5 -  10:40am: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks) T'Wolves:  Jameer Nelson
6.6 -  10:50am: AB_Celtic (Milwaukee Bucks):   Jerryd Bayless
6.7 -  11:00am sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings): Steve Novak
6.8 -  11:10am Atzar (Washington Wizards): Nate Robinson
6.9 -  11:20am: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers) (Hawks) T'Wolves: Michael Beasley
6.10 - 11:30am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls):  Brandon Rush
6.11 - 11:40am: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors):  DeShawn Stevenson
6.12 - 11:50am: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets): Jared Sullinger

Break

6.13 - 1:30pm: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets): Dorell Wright
6.14 - 1:40pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets): JJ Barea
6.15 - 1:50pm  CelticConcourse (Memphis Grizzlies) Houston:  Fetsus Ezeli
6.16 - 2:00pm  IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavaliers) Indiana:  Lamar Odom
6.17 - 2:10pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers) Spurs:  Kevin Seraphin
6.18 - 2:20pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers) Cleveland:  Tyler Zeller
6.19 - 2:30pm. snively   (Houston):  Reggie Jackson
6.20 - 2:40pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics):  Meyers Leonard
6.21 - 2:50pm: Fairweatherfan  (NY Knicks) Phoenix: Kris Humphries
6.22 - 3:00pm: BleedGreen1989 (Minnesota Twolves) New York:  Aaron Brooks
6.23 - 3:10pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers):  Matt Bonner
6.24 - 3:20pm nickagneta (LA Lakers):  CJ Miles
6.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons): Tyler Hansbrough
6.26 - 3:40pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs):  Richard Jefferson
6.27 - 3:50pm slamtheking (Miami Heat): Jordan Crawford
6.28 - 4:00pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder): Pick When Ready 


Round 7 (Tuesday, February 26)

7.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns):  CJ Watson
7.2 -  10:10am Edgar (Utah Jazz):  Austin Rivers
7.3 -  10:20am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors):  Patty Mills
7.4 -  10:30am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks):  Marreese Speights
7.5 -  10:40am: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks):  Landry Fields
7.6 -  10:50am: AB_Celtic (Milwaukee Bucks):  Jason Maxiell
7.7 -  11:00am sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings): Andrew Nicholson
7.8 -  11:10am Atzar (Washington Wizards): Gary Neal
7.9 -  11:20am: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers) Milwaukee:  Terrence Ross
7.10 - 11:30am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls):  Jason Smith
7.11 - 11:40am: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors):  Zaza Pachulia
7.12 - 11:50am: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets): Brendan Haywood

7.13 - 1:30pm: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets): Udonis Haslem
7.14 - 1:40pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets):  Darrell Arthur
7.15 - 1:50pm  CelticConcourse (Memphis Grizzlies):  Drew Gooden
7.16 - 2:00pm  IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavaliers):  Wayne Ellington
7.17 - 2:10pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland) Philly?:  Will Bynum
7.18 - 2:20pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers):  Antawn Jamison
7.19 - 2:30pm. snively   (Houston):  Anthony Morrow
7.20 - 2:40pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics) Minnesota: John Jenkins 
7.21 - 2:50pm: Fairweatherfan    (NY Knicks):  Jermaine O'Neal
7.22 - 3:00pm: BleedGreen1989 (Minnesota Twolves):  Brandon Wright
7.23 - 3:10pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers):  Greg Stiemsma
7.24 - 3:20pm nickagneta (LA Lakers):  Devin Harris
7.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons):  Willie Green
7.26 - 3:40pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs):  Tyrus Thomas
7.27 - 3:50pm slamtheking (Miami Heat):  Jodie Meeks
7.28 - 4:00pm: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia): DeMarre Carroll

Round 8 (Wednesday, February 27)

8.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns):  Marcus Camby
8.2 -  10:10am Edgar (Utah Jazz):  Channing Frye
8.3 -  10:20am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors):  Pick Any Time
8.4 -  10:30am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks):  MarShon Brooks
8.5 -  10:40am: IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavs): Tobias Harris   
8.6 -  10:50am: ACelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs):  Beno Udrih
8.7 -  11:00am sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings):  John Lucas III
8.8 -  11:10am Atzar (Washington Wizards):  Ronny Turiaf
8.9 -  11:20am: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers):  Bernard James
8.10 - 11:30am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls):  Draymond Green
8.11 - 11:40am: Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers):  Jeremy Lamb
8.12 - 11:50am: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets): DJ Augustin

8.13 - 1:30pm: Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers): Maurice Harkless
8.14 - 1:40pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets):  Donatas Montiejunas
8.15 - 1:50pm  Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers): Jordan Hill
8.16 - 2:00pm  Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks): Kenyon Martin
8.17 - 2:10pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs):  andris Biedrins
8.18 - 2:20pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers):  Chris Wilcox
8.19 - 2:30pm. snively   (Houston):  Chuck Hayes
8.20 - 2:40pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics): Ekpe Udoh
8.21 - 2:50pm: Fairweatherfan    (NY Knicks): Quincy Pondexter
8.22 - 3:00pm: Rondo2287 (Atlanta): Shaun Livingston 
8.23 - 3:10pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers):  Timofey Mozgov
8.24 - 3:20pm. BleedGreen1989 (Minnesota):  Evan Fournier
8.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons):  Stephen Jackson
8.26 - 3:40pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs):  Shannon Brown
8.27 - 3:50pm slamtheking (Miami Heat): John Salmons
8.28 - 4:00pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder):  Keith Bogans

Round 9 (Thursday, February 28)

9.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns):
9.2 -  10:10am Edgar (Utah Jazz):
9.3 -  10:20am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors):
9.4 -  10:30am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks):
9.5 -  10:40am: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks):   
9.6 -  10:50am: AB_Celtic (Milwaukee Bucks):   
9.7 -  11:00am sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings):
9.8 -  11:10am Atzar (Washington Wizards):
9.9 -  11:20am: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers):
9.10 - 11:30am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls): 
9.11 - 11:40am: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors): 
9.12 - 11:50am: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets):

9.13 - 1:30pm: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets):
9.14 - 1:40pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets): 
9.15 - 1:50pm  CelticConcourse (Memphis Grizzlies): 
9.16 - 2:00pm  IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavaliers): 
9.17 - 2:10pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers): 
9.18 - 2:20pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers): 
9.19 - 2:30pm. snively   (Houston): 
9.20 - 2:40pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics):   
9.21 - 2:50pm: Fairweatherfan    (NY Knicks):
9.22 - 3:00pm: BleedGreen1989 (Minnesota Twolves): 
9.23 - 3:10pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers): 
9.24 - 3:20pm nickagneta (LA Lakers):   
9.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons): 
9.26 - 3:40pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs): 
9.27 - 3:50pm slamtheking (Miami Heat):
9.28 - 4:00pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder):   

Round 10 (Friday, February 29)

10.1 -  10:00am celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns):
10.2 -  10:05am Edgar (Utah Jazz):
10.3 -  10:10am: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors):
10.4 -  10:15am: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks):
10.5 -  10:20am: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks):   
10.6 -  10:25am: AB_Celtic (Milwaukee Bucks):   
10.7 -  10:30am sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings):
10.8 -  10:35am Atzar (Washington Wizards):
10.9 -  10:40am: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers):
10.10 - 10:45am: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls): 
10.11 - 10:50am: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors): 
10.12 - 10:55am: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets):
10.13 - 11:00am: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets):
10.14 - 11:05am: Who (New Orleans Hornets): 
10.15 - 11:10am:  CelticConcourse (Memphis Grizzlies): 
10.16 - 11:15am:  IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavaliers): 
10.17 - 11:20am:. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers): 
10.18 - 11:25am. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers): 
10.19 - 11:30am. snively   (Houston): 
10.20 - 11:35am. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics):   
10.21 - 11:40am: Fairweatherfan    (NY Knicks):
10.22 - 11:45am: BleedGreen1989 (Minnesota Twolves): 
10.23 - 11:50am Evantime34 (LA Clippers): 
10.24 - 11:55am nickagneta (LA Lakers):   
10.25 - 12:00pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons): 
10.26 - 12:05pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs): 
10.27 - 12:10pm: slamtheking (Miami Heat):
10.28 - 12:15pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder):

Round 11 (Friday, February 29)

11.1 -  1:30pm celticpride07 (Phoenix Suns):
11.2 -  1:35pm Edgar (Utah Jazz):
11.3 -  1:40pm: Celtic Fan Forever (Toronto Raptors):
11.4 -  1:45pm: BigAlTheFuture (Dallas Mavericks):
11.5 -  1:50pm: Rondo2287 (Atlanta Hawks):   
11.6 -  1:55pm: AB_Celtic (Milwaukee Bucks):   
11.7 -  2:00pm sofutomygaha (Sacramento Kings):
11.8 -  2:05pm Atzar (Washington Wizards):
11.9 -  2:10pm: ronaldo943 (Philadelphia 76ers):
11.10 - 2:15pm: Yoki_IsTheName (Chicago Bulls): 
11.11 - 2:20pm: wdleehi (Golden State Warriors): 
11.12 - 2:25pm: AirBellinelli (Denver Nuggets):
11.13 - 2:30pm: KGsKnee (Brooklyn Nets):
11.14 - 2:35pm: Who (New Orleans Hornets): 
11.15 - 2:40pm  CelticConcourse (Memphis Grizzlies): 
11.16 - 2:45pm  IndeedProceed (Cleveland Cavaliers): 
11.17 - 2:50pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking (Portland Trailblazers): 
11.18 - 2:55pm. jgod213 (Indiana Pacers): 
11.19 - 3:00pm. snively   (Houston): 
11.20 - 3:05pm. StartOrien  (Boston Celtics):   
11.21 - 3:10pm: Fairweatherfan    (NY Knicks):
11.22 - 3:15pm: BleedGreen1989 (Minnesota Twolves): 
11.23 - 3:20pm Evantime34 (LA Clippers): 
11.24 - 3:25pm nickagneta (LA Lakers):   
11.25 - 3:30pm. KCAtTheStripe (Detroit Pistons): 
11.26 - 3:35pm. CelticFan9 (San Antonio Spurs): 
11.27 - 3:40pm slamtheking (Miami Heat):
11.28 - 3:45pm: TheTruthFot18 (OKC Thunder):
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 08:16:13 AM
Available players list
Available players list

* Note: This list isn't exhaustive.  Teams are eligible to draft free agents or overseas players.  However, you take a player in his current position.  In other words, if he's currently injured, he's injured on your team.  If he's under contract to an overseas team, he remains under contract for purposes of this game.  For free agents who are eligible to play this season, please contact me and I will assign a salary to that player for purposes of this game.
Acy, Quincy
Adrien, Jeff
Afflalo, Arron
Aldrich, Cole
Aldridge, LaMarcus
Allen, Lavoy
Allen, Ray
Allen, Tony
Aminu, Al-Farouq
Andersen, Chris
Anderson, Alan
Anderson, James
Anderson, Ryan
Anthony, Carmelo
Anthony, Joel
Ariza, Trevor
Arthur, Darrell
Asik, Omer
Augustin, D.J.
Ayon, Gustavo

Babbitt, Luke
Barbosa, Leandro
Barea, Jose
Bargnani, Andrea
Barnes, Harrison
Barnes, Matt
Barton, Will
Bass, Brandon
Battier, Shane
Batum, Nicolas
Bayless, Jerryd
Baynes, Aron
Bazemore, Kent
Beal, Bradley
Beasley, Michael
Beaubois, Rodrigue
Belinelli, Marco
Bell, Raja
Beverley, Patrick
Biedrins, Andris
Billups, Chauncey
Biyombo, Bismack
Blair, DeJuan
Blake, Steve
Blatche, Andray
Bledsoe, Eric
Bogans, Keith
Bogut, Andrew
Bonner, Matt
Booker, Trevor
Boozer, Carlos
Bosh, Chris
Bradley, Avery
Brand, Elton
Brewer, Corey
Brewer, Ronnie
Brooks, Aaron
Brooks, MarShon
Brown, Kwame
Brown, Shannon
Bryant, Kobe
Budinger, Chase
Burks, Alec
Butler, Caron
Butler, Jimmy
Bynum, Andrew
Bynum, Will

Calderon, Jose
Camby, Marcus
Carroll, DeMarre
Carter, Vince
Casspi, Omri
Chalmers, Mario
Chandler, Tyson
Chandler, Wilson
Clark, Earl
Claver, Victor
Cole, Norris
Collins, Jason
Collison, Darren
Collison, Nick
Conley, Mike
Cook, Daequan
Copeland, Chris
Cousins, DeMarcus
Crawford, Jamal
Crawford, Jordan
Crowder, Jae
Cunningham, Dante
Cunningham, Jared
Curry, Stephen

Dalembert, Samuel
Daniels, Marquis
Davis, Anthony
Davis, Ed
Davis, Glen
Daye, Austin
De Colo, Nando
Delfino, Carlos
Deng, Luol
DeRozan, DeMar
Diaw, Boris
Diop, DeSagana
Douglas, Toney
Dragic, Goran
Drummond, Andre
Dudley, Jared
Duhon, Chris
Duncan, Tim
Dunleavy, Mike
Durant, Kevin

Ebanks, Devin
Ellington, Wayne
Ellis, Monta
English, Kim
Evans, Jeremy
Evans, Reggie
Evans, Tyreke
Ezeli, Festus

Faried, Kenneth
Favors, Derrick
Felton, Raymond
Fields, Landry
Fournier, Evan
Foye, Randy
Fredette, Jimmer
Freeland, Joel
Frye, Channing

Gallinari, Danilo
Garcia, Francisco
Garnett, Kevin
Garrett, Diante
Gasol, Marc
Gasol, Pau
Gay, Rudy
Gee, Alonzo
Gelabale, Mickael
George, Paul
Gibson, Daniel
Gibson, Taj
Ginobili, Manu
Gooden, Drew
Gordon, Ben
Gordon, Eric
Gortat, Marcin
Granger, Danny
Gray, Aaron
Green, Danny
Green, Draymond
Green, Gerald
Green, Jeff
Green, Willie
Griffin, Blake

Haddadi, Hamed
Hamilton, Jordan
Hamilton, Richard
Hansbrough, Ben
Hansbrough, Tyler
Harden, James
Harkless, Maurice
Harrington, Al
Harris, Devin
Harris, Tobias
Haslem, Udonis
Hawes, Spencer
Hayes, Chuck
Hayward, Gordon
Haywood, Brendan
Henderson, Gerald
Henry, Xavier
Henson, John
Hibbert, Roy
Hickson, J.J.
Hill, George
Hill, Grant
Hill, Jordan
Hinrich, Kirk
Holiday, Jrue
Hollins, Ryan
Honeycutt, Tyler
Horford, Al
Howard, Dwight
Humphries, Kris

Ibaka, Serge
Iguodala, Andre
Ilyasova, Ersan
Irving, Kyrie
Ivey, Royal

Jack, Jarrett
Jackson, Reggie
Jackson, Stephen
James, Bernard
James, LeBron
James, Mike
Jamison, Antawn
Jefferson, Al
Jefferson, Richard
Jeffries, Jared
Jenkins, Charles
Jenkins, John
Jennings, Brandon
Jerebko, Jonas
Johnson, Amir
Johnson, Chris
Johnson, Ivan
Johnson, James
Johnson, Joe
Johnson, Orlando
Johnson, Wesley
Jones, Dahntay
Jones, DeQuan
Jones, Dominique
Jones, James
Jones, Kevin
Jones, Perry
Jones, Terrence
Jordan, DeAndre
Joseph, Cory

Kaman, Chris
Kanter, Enes
Kidd, Jason
Kidd-Gilchrist, Michael
Kirilenko, Andrei
Kleiza, Linas
Knight, Brandon
Korver, Kyle
Koufos, Kosta
Kravtsov, Viacheslav

Lamb, Doron
Lamb, Jeremy
Landry, Carl
Lawson, Ty
Lee, Courtney
Lee, David
Lee, Malcolm
Leonard, Kawhi
Leonard, Meyers
Leuer, Jon
Lewis, Rashard
Liggins, DeAndre
Lillard, Damian
Lin, Jeremy
Livingston, Shaun
Lopez, Brook
Lopez, Robin
Love, Kevin
Lowry, Kyle
Lucas III, John

Maggette, Corey
Mahinmi, Ian
Marion, Shawn
Marshall, Kendall
Martin, Cartier
Martin, Kevin
Mason Jr., Roger
Matthews, Wesley
Maxiell, Jason
Maynor, Eric
Mayo, O.J.
Mbah a Moute, Luc
McGee, JaVale
McRoberts, Josh
Meeks, Jodie
Melo, Fab
Middleton, Khris
Miles, C.J.
Miller, Andre
Miller, Darius
Miller, Mike
Miller, Quincy
Mills, Patty
Millsap, Paul
Mohammed, Nazr
Monroe, Greg
Moore, E'Twaun
Morris, Darius
Morris, Marcus
Morris, Markieff
Morrow, Anthony
Motiejunas, Donatas
Moultrie, Arnett
Mozgov, Timofey
Mullens, Byron
Murphy, Kevin

Nash, Steve
Neal, Gary
Nelson, Jameer
Nene
Nicholson, Andrew
Noah, Joakim
Novak, Steve
Nowitzki, Dirk

O'Neal, Jermaine
O'Quinn, Kyle
Odom, Lamar
Okafor, Emeka
Orton, Daniel
Outlaw, Travis

Pachulia, Zaza
Pargo, Jeremy
Parker, Tony
Parsons, Chandler
Patterson, Patrick
Paul, Chris
Pavlovic, Aleksandar
Pekovic, Nikola
Pendergraph, Jeff
Perkins, Kendrick
Petro, Johan
Pierce, Paul
Pietrus, Mickael
Pittman, Dexter
Plumlee, Miles
Pondexter, Quincy
Price, A.J.
Price, Ronnie
Prigioni, Pablo
Prince, Tayshaun
Przybilla, Joel

Radmanovic, Vladimir
Randolph, Anthony
Randolph, Zach
Redick, J.J.
Richardson, Jason
Ridnour, Luke
Rivers, Austin
Roberts, Brian
Robinson, Nate
Robinson, Thomas
Rondo, Rajon
Rose, Derrick
Ross, Terrence
Roy, Brandon
Rubio, Ricky
Rush, Brandon

Sacre, Robert
Salmons, John
Sanders, Larry
Scola, Luis
Scott, Mike
Sefolosha, Thabo
Selby, Josh
Seraphin, Kevin
Sessions, Ramon
Shengelia, Tornike
Shumpert, Iman
Shved, Alexey
Singler, Kyle
Singleton, Chris
Smith, Greg
Smith, Ish
Smith, J.R.
Smith, Jason
Smith, Josh
Smith, Nolan
Speights, Marreese
Splitter, Tiago
Stackhouse, Jerry
Stephenson, Lance
Stevenson, DeShawn
Stiemsma, Greg
Stone, Julyan
Stoudemire, Amar'e
Stuckey, Rodney
Sullinger, Jared

Taylor, Jeff
Taylor, Tyshawn
Teague, Jeff
Teague, Marquis
Teletovic, Mirza
Telfair, Sebastian
Temple, Garrett
Terry, Jason
Thabeet, Hasheem
Thomas, Isaiah
Thomas, Kurt
Thomas, Lance
Thomas, Tyrus
Thompkins, Trey
Thompson, Jason
Thompson, Klay
Thompson, Tristan
Thornton, Marcus
Tinsley, Jamaal
Tolliver, Anthony
Tucker, P.J
Turiaf, Ronny
Turkoglu, Hedo
Turner, Evan
Tyler, Jeremy

Udoh, Ekpe
Udrih, Beno

Valanciunas, Jonas
Varejao, Anderson
Varnado, Jarvis
Vasquez, Greivis
Vesely, Jan
Villanueva, Charlie
Vucevic, Nikola

Wade, Dwyane
Waiters, Dion
Walker, Kemba
Wall, John
Wallace, Gerald
Wallace, Rasheed
Walton, Luke
Warrick, Hakim
Watson, C.J.
Watson, Earl
Webster, Martell
West, David
Westbrook, Russell
White, James
White, Royce
Wilcox, Chris
Wilkins, Damien
Williams, Deron
Williams, Derrick
Williams, Elliot
Williams, Louis
Williams, Marvin
Williams, Mo
Williams, Reggie
World Peace, Metta
Wright, Brandan
Wright, Dorell
Wroten, Tony

Young, Nick
Young, Sam
Young, Thaddeus

Zeller, Luke
Zeller, Tyler
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Edgar on February 13, 2013, 08:30:42 AM
Youre all doomed

now that i will be a non winner
youre all gonna be non losers

 ;D

ty computer I love my pick. The perfect recipe to be LeBron free

Editer: Ups wrong thread sorry.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: celticpride07 on February 13, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
Man I have tough decision
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 13, 2013, 08:44:07 AM
Not sure I like the middle.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 13, 2013, 09:00:43 AM
8th place, not too bad.  Should be able to get a solid team with an ok draft pick.

Questions - is this a snake draft at all?  And could we get the salary limits for each team here?

EDIT:  Be the change you wish to see in the world:

    Atlanta Hawks: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Boston Celtics $71.6 million
    Brookyln Nets: $83.1 million
    Charlotte Bobcats: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Chicago Bulls: $74.1 million
    Cleveland Cavaliers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Dallas Mavericks: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Denver Nuggets: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Detroit Pistons: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Golden State Warriors: $71.5 million
    Houston Rockets: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Indiana Pacers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Los Angeles Clippers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Los Angeles Lakers:  $99.9 million
    Memphis Grizzlies: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Miami Heat: $83.4 million
    Milwaukee Bucks: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Minnesota Timberwolves: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    New Orleans Hornets: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    New York Knicks: $81.1 million
    Oklahoma City Thunder: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Orlando Magic: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Philadelphia 76ers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Phoenix Suns: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Portland Trail Blazers: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Sacramento Kings: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    San Antonio Spurs: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Toronto Raptors: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Utah Jazz: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)
    Washington Wizards: $70.3 million (luxury tax line)

Let me know if any of these have changed.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 13, 2013, 10:28:03 AM
Not sure I like the middle.
Ditto -- top and bottom best. Middle dodgy.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 13, 2013, 10:32:10 AM
So I'm third in picking a team and keepers, but 26th in picking remaining players?

Also, is the draft a snake order?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 13, 2013, 10:39:08 AM
Also, is the draft a snake order?
Pick II isn't a snake draft. Same order each round.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 13, 2013, 10:43:55 AM
Also, is the draft a snake order?
Pick II isn't a snake draft. Same order each round.

Thanks TP
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 13, 2013, 10:47:07 AM
4th pick, exactly when the draft gets interesting.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 13, 2013, 10:58:49 AM
Have we decided on a day/time for the team selection?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 13, 2013, 10:59:57 AM
Have we decided on a day/time for the team selection?
Tomorrow is when we were scheduled to pick teams and player selections.

No idea about the time though. I was wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 13, 2013, 11:03:33 AM
Have we decided on a day/time for the team selection?
Tomorrow is when we were scheduled to pick teams and player selections.

No idea about the time though. I was wondering the same thing.

Shoot, I have class tomorrow from 10am until noon.  Hopefully I don't get a slot in  that time frame.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 13, 2013, 11:05:28 AM
Since people are busy I think we should shoot for being done by tomorrow night, but if the first few people want to go today it would make sense to me for them to do so.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 13, 2013, 11:09:25 AM
I like where I'm at. 10th pick, I'll swing with that.

Then of course, I'll trade everybody away like the GM that I am.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 13, 2013, 11:22:58 AM
Have we decided on a day/time for the team selection?
Tomorrow is when we were scheduled to pick teams and player selections.

No idea about the time though. I was wondering the same thing.

Yeah I'm interested to hear what a rough schedule is for the next few days.  I've only ever done the CB Draft and I know that we tend to break on weekends - is that more or less how this draft works?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 13, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
Niceeeee 5th pick for non-keeper players.  Good position I think.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 13, 2013, 11:35:02 AM
Have we decided on a day/time for the team selection?
Tomorrow is when we were scheduled to pick teams and player selections.

No idea about the time though. I was wondering the same thing.

Yeah I'm interested to hear what a rough schedule is for the next few days.  I've only ever done the CB Draft and I know that we tend to break on weekends - is that more or less how this draft works?
Yeah, exactly the same.

The time slots where afternoon (starting at 2pm) and early evening (ending at 8pm) last year with a break between 5 and 6 ... for the first week. 10 minutes between picks.

Then two rounds a day the second week to fill out your bench. One round in the morning and one in the afternoon. 5 minutes between picks.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=53380.0
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 13, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
I dont like my draft position. I'd like a top 2 spot, please.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 13, 2013, 11:45:08 AM
I dont like my draft position. I'd like a top 2 spot, please.

Yeah, I'm stuck in the middle as well.  Doesn't seem like a very desirable place to be.

Oh well, I'll just have to hack the server and swap draft spots with someone.  That way I get first pick of teams and players.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 13, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
I dont like my draft position. I'd like a top 2 spot, please.

Yeah, I'm stuck in the middle as well.  Doesn't seem like a very desirable place to be.

Oh well, I'll just have to hack the server and swap draft spots with someone.  That way I get first pick of teams and players.
Depending on who is available when I pick, and who is available when you guys pick I might be interested in some type of trade.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 13, 2013, 11:54:27 AM
If anyone in the bottom 4 or top 4 wants to pick 16th in teams and 16th in players, hit me back, just to chat.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
I'll announce draft times later this afternoon.  The selection process will be spread out over two days, so as to give people a little more time to select their teams and keepers.

I have no major objection if folks want to start announcing their teams today, so long as nobody gets skipped and there's no pressure put on GMs who wait until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 13, 2013, 12:10:17 PM
I dont like my draft position. I'd like a top 2 spot, please.

Yeah, I'm stuck in the middle as well.  Doesn't seem like a very desirable place to be.

Oh well, I'll just have to hack the server and swap draft spots with someone.  That way I get first pick of teams and players.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJQDnAHrRY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJQDnAHrRY)

I little diddy for those of us stuck in the middle straight from Steeler's Wheel on K-Billy and the Super Sounds of the 70's
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: snively on February 13, 2013, 12:12:07 PM
So with 28 slots, 2 NBA rosters are going to be completely up for grabs in the player draft?  So no one will have to be stuck with Orlando and Charlotte.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 13, 2013, 12:16:37 PM


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The time slots where afternoon (starting at 2pm) and early evening (ending at 8pm) last year with a break between 5 and 6 ... for the first week. 10 minutes between picks.

Then two rounds a day the second week to fill out your bench. One round in the morning and one in the afternoon. 5 minutes between picks.


Thanks, Who.  Much appreesh. 

Sounds like my pick two team and my ski trip to vermont won't clash...although maybe I can squeeze it in during a late night game. "Ok whoever can give me the most compelling arguement for selecting Chris Bosh as LeBron's number 2 over Dwayne Wade gets my two clear cards."
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 13, 2013, 12:16:48 PM
I'll announce draft times later this afternoon.  The selection process will be spread out over two days, so as to give people a little more time to select their teams and keepers.

I have no major objection if folks want to start announcing their teams today, so long as nobody gets skipped and there's no pressure put on GMs who wait until tomorrow.

Roy, im kinda dissapointed you didnt follow Yoki's lead and post a video on youtube of the lottery process. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 13, 2013, 12:20:54 PM
This is awesome. I'm going to end up exactly with the team I want.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 13, 2013, 12:22:19 PM
Anyone who's near the top for keepers want to be near the top for the draft? I'm willing to swap. I have the 6th pick in the draft... Reminder it's fixed order.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 13, 2013, 12:55:46 PM
Anyone who's near the top for keepers want to be near the top for the draft? I'm willing to swap. I have the 6th pick in the draft... Reminder it's fixed order.



Good luck with that.  I have never seen that type of swap. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 13, 2013, 01:09:36 PM
Anyone who's near the top for keepers want to be near the top for the draft? I'm willing to swap. I have the 6th pick in the draft... Reminder it's fixed order.
I would do that, but I would need a sweetener.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 13, 2013, 01:18:51 PM
Anyone who's near the top for keepers want to be near the top for the draft? I'm willing to swap. I have the 6th pick in the draft... Reminder it's fixed order.
I would do that, but I would need a sweetener.

How much of a sweetener? We could swap picks at some point. Say I give you my late 4th for your early 5th, or something like that.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 13, 2013, 01:21:24 PM
Anyone who's near the top for keepers want to be near the top for the draft? I'm willing to swap. I have the 6th pick in the draft... Reminder it's fixed order.
I would do that, but I would need a sweetener.

How much of a sweetener? We could swap picks at some point. Say I give you my late 4th for your early 5th, or something like that.

Do this deal, Evantime.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 13, 2013, 01:23:00 PM
Anyone who's near the top for keepers want to be near the top for the draft? I'm willing to swap. I have the 6th pick in the draft... Reminder it's fixed order.
I would do that, but I would need a sweetener.

How much of a sweetener? We could swap picks at some point. Say I give you my late 4th for your early 5th, or something like that.

Do this deal, Evantime.
I was tempted to do a deal but if that's best sweetener out there, no thanks.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 13, 2013, 01:35:33 PM
Anyone who's near the top for keepers want to be near the top for the draft? I'm willing to swap. I have the 6th pick in the draft... Reminder it's fixed order.
I would do that, but I would need a sweetener.

How much of a sweetener? We could swap picks at some point. Say I give you my late 4th for your early 5th, or something like that.

Do this deal, Evantime.

Rethinking... sorry :)
And not just because of your comment, IP. There are plenty of teams out there with two good players.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 13, 2013, 01:54:12 PM
After careful consideration and ruling out a few teams that will definitely be gone by #8, I've narrowed my options down to...12.   Hrm.  Back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 13, 2013, 01:59:07 PM
I'm picking third for keepers, but I'm not sure if I want to contend or set up a team for the future.

If I contend, the first two picks are clearly Miami and OKC.  After that..... I don't know which team I should choose.

If I rebuild, that'd be tough as well.

If anyone wants to trade, send me a PM and I'll see if I like any proposals.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 13, 2013, 02:06:22 PM
since there's some looseness around the times for picking teams today and tomorrow, I may not be available for the second pick of teams/keepers while waiting for the first team to be taken.  do we still have the same option of PMing someone to make the picks for us and if so, who's taking those requests this time around? 

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 13, 2013, 02:07:27 PM
since there's some looseness around the times for picking teams today and tomorrow, I may not be available for the second pick of teams/keepers while waiting for the first team to be taken.  do we still have the same option of PMing someone to make the picks for us and if so, who's taking those requests this time around?

I'll take it. Just send 2 teams, and the order you want them in.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
To be clear on the rules...  You can swap franchises, but I'm pretty wary of the "sweetener" aspect.

The purpose of the franchise swaps is basically to help out people who get an unfavorable draft time, or who want to tackle a different challenge (i.e., have the #1 pick of franchises but wish to rebuild).  It's not, however, intended to give franchises a leg up over one another by accumulating extra assets.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 13, 2013, 02:16:27 PM
If someone really wants the rebuild route, my team being 11ths is in a good spot.  Should be able to get a good team with two good young blocks already in place while being in a spot to get one of the better young blocks others could not keep.


(not that I expect to actually being able to swap draft spots)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 13, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
First time GM for pick 2. Not sure if my position is good or not.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 13, 2013, 02:19:48 PM
First time GM for pick 2. Not sure if my position is good or not.


You need luck.



It happens.  I was the 2nd to last to pick a team last year and somehow the Spurs dropped to me. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 13, 2013, 02:20:14 PM
First time GM for pick 2. Not sure if my position is good or not.

Pretty good.  Toward either end is where you want to be.  You'll get lots of good draft picks, and at that point in the team selection process there are a lot of roughly equal situations.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 13, 2013, 02:21:20 PM
since there's some looseness around the times for picking teams today and tomorrow, I may not be available for the second pick of teams/keepers while waiting for the first team to be taken.  do we still have the same option of PMing someone to make the picks for us and if so, who's taking those requests this time around?

I'll take it. Just send 2 teams, and the order you want them in.
Thanks IP.  TP for the generosity.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 13, 2013, 03:05:31 PM
You guys seen this yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPM8OR6W6WE
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 13, 2013, 03:44:15 PM
Willing to franchise swap
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 13, 2013, 04:39:35 PM
26th, yikes :/
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 13, 2013, 04:42:24 PM
26th, yikes :/

I'd be willing to swap mine for yours if you don't mind.

I'll pick 19th for teams, 10th for the draft.

I want the challenge of rebuilding a not so good franchise.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 05:41:38 PM
Draft order for teams and keepers (also listed in the second post of this thread).

The time listed is when both your teams and keepers are due by.

Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18
10:30am slamtheking
11:00am. CelticFan9
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe
12:00pm nickagneta
12:30pm Evantime34
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan
2:00pm. StartOrien
2:30pm. snively
3:00pm. jgod213
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking
4:00pm  IndeedProceed
4:30pm  CelticConcourse

Friday, February 15:

10:00am: Who
10:30am: KGsKnee
11:00am: Salt Lover
11:30am: wdleehi
12:00pm: Yoki_IsTheName
12:30pm: ronaldo943
1:00pm: Atzar
1:30pm: sofutomygaha
2:00pm: AB_Celtic
2:30pm: Rondo2287
3:00pm: BigAlTheFuture
3:30pm: Celtic Fan Forever
4:00pm Edgar
4:30pm celticpride07
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 13, 2013, 05:43:52 PM
Roy, are the above times all EST? ( Repping Chicago :) )
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 13, 2013, 06:07:19 PM
Does the draft for non-keepers start Saturday?

If so, I'm going to have trouble making selections.  I'm on vacation with my family from Thursday afternoon to Sunday night.

I'll do my best to get my picks in on time.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 13, 2013, 06:11:43 PM
Does the draft for non-keepers start Saturday?

If so, I'm going to have trouble making selections.  I'm on vacation with my family from Thursday afternoon to Sunday night.

I'll do my best to get my picks in on time.

Hopefully we keep this to weekdays
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 13, 2013, 06:13:33 PM
Since I'm first can I send my picks to the LM?

Just wanna make sure I don't forget the first pick again
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 13, 2013, 06:15:30 PM
Since I'm first can I send my picks to the LM?

Just wanna make sure I don't forget the first pick again

Commish said that you can pick now if you want since you are up first.



I have no major objection if folks want to start announcing their teams today, so long as nobody gets skipped and there's no pressure put on GMs who wait until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 13, 2013, 06:16:07 PM
Since I'm first can I send my picks to the LM?

Just wanna make sure I don't forget the first pick again

Please don't tell me you've actually done that before.  Ouch!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 13, 2013, 06:16:21 PM
Since I'm first can I send my picks to the LM?

Just wanna make sure I don't forget the first pick again

you can make your pick now
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 06:20:23 PM
All times are EST.

The draft will begin next week.  I'd like feedback on whether we should start Monday (President's Day) or Tuesday.  We won't pick on weekends.

TruthFot18 can make his selection any time.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 13, 2013, 06:23:28 PM
All times are EST.

The draft will begin next week.  I'd like feedback on whether we should start Monday (President's Day) or Tuesday.  We won't pick on weekends.

TruthFot18 can make his selection any time.

Monday's fine for me.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 13, 2013, 06:28:37 PM
Monday works for me as well
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 13, 2013, 06:47:19 PM
monday is fine
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 13, 2013, 06:57:23 PM
Monday please
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Bahku on February 13, 2013, 07:04:53 PM
Good luck to everyone ... I'll try and stop by and put in my two cents worth, (it's probably more like 1.7 cents). ;)

Hope to be back at it next year, and the CB draft to come!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 13, 2013, 08:29:52 PM
bring this up
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 13, 2013, 08:36:26 PM
Just so that we know, I have a question.

If its your turn to pick a Team and give your keepers, you don't have to give your keepers right away, just before the deadline listed by Roy for tomorrow(like my time is 12:00 noon)?

So let's say over the next hour the first four people came out, declared their team and gave their keepers, if I wanted to just pick my team so that others could pick their teams, I could do that right, just so long as I have my keepers declared before noon tomorrow?

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 13, 2013, 08:43:14 PM
Just so that we know, I have a question.

If its your turn to pick a Team and give your keepers, you don't have to give your keepers right away, just before the deadline listed by Roy for tomorrow(like my time is 12:00 noon)?

So let's say over the next hour the first four people came out, declared their team and gave their keepers, if I wanted to just pick my team so that others could pick their teams, I could do that right, just so long as I have my keepers declared before noon tomorrow?

Yea im pretty sure you can do that, doesnt seem nothing wrong about that
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 13, 2013, 08:51:25 PM
Just so that we know, I have a question.

If its your turn to pick a Team and give your keepers, you don't have to give your keepers right away, just before the deadline listed by Roy for tomorrow(like my time is 12:00 noon)?

So let's say over the next hour the first four people came out, declared their team and gave their keepers, if I wanted to just pick my team so that others could pick their teams, I could do that right, just so long as I have my keepers declared before noon tomorrow?

Yea im pretty sure you can do that, doesnt seem nothing wrong about that

I'm cool with it. It's not like you're preventing anyone from picking a player. You have rights over the whole team.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 13, 2013, 08:53:47 PM
Just so that we know, I have a question.

If its your turn to pick a Team and give your keepers, you don't have to give your keepers right away, just before the deadline listed by Roy for tomorrow(like my time is 12:00 noon)?

So let's say over the next hour the first four people came out, declared their team and gave their keepers, if I wanted to just pick my team so that others could pick their teams, I could do that right, just so long as I have my keepers declared before noon tomorrow?

Yea im pretty sure you can do that, doesnt seem nothing wrong about that

I'm cool with it. It's not like you're preventing anyone from picking a player. You have rights over the whole team.

exactly, well put
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 13, 2013, 09:13:06 PM
Nick you gotta do both at once, per rules on the FP IIRC.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 13, 2013, 09:22:24 PM
And actually, it makes some sense. If I had the first pick and just chose Miami, but didnt specify my keepers until the last team picked, I could really screw up someone's plans by keeping Bosh over Wade or something.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 09:37:50 PM
Nick you gotta do both at once, per rules on the FP IIRC.

Yeah, the intention is to pick the team and the keepers at the same time.  The keepers one GM keeps might effect the team another GM chooses.

I doubt it becomes a huge issue, but it just seems messy if there's separation between selecting the team and the keeper players.  (i.e., what happens if a GM picks a team but fails to pick their keepers, etc.)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: snively on February 13, 2013, 09:40:06 PM
Excited - an oasis in the all-star break desert.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 13, 2013, 09:51:39 PM
Lucky and I have worked it down to umm 15 teams or so.  ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 13, 2013, 09:57:25 PM
Before it comes up:  You take players as you find them, meaning injuries count.  If you take Leandro Barbosa as a keeper, for instance, you're getting an injured Barbosa.

Also, teams should assume that any keeper they take will re-sign with their team (for market rate) indefinitely.  There's no risk that a keeper will choose to depart the next season in free agency.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 13, 2013, 10:43:50 PM
Totally ready for my pick to cause a major kerfuffle.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 13, 2013, 10:47:57 PM
KC, send me a pm. Curious about what you're doing.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 13, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
Totally ready for my pick to cause a major kerfuffle.

You can't pick theCharlattle Supercats. They're not a real team.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 13, 2013, 11:07:57 PM
Totally ready for my pick to cause a major kerfuffle.

You can't pick theCharlattle Supercats. They're not a real team.

(http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/wta3.jpg)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 12:05:07 AM
Doing my tier rankings for shooting guards - when you consinder salaries it's really, really difficult.

You've got a lot of super talents probably making too much at this point, and a lot of emerging stars who are not quite there, but making much less.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 14, 2013, 12:51:35 AM
So to specify, only this years salaries matter and contract lengths mean nothing?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 12:55:50 AM
So to specify, only this years salaries matter and contract lengths mean nothing?

I could be wrong - but the way I interpreted it was that this years salary is what's used against your cap but length still matters. Kind of opens up debates about team's ability to pay certain players in the future

ie: Ty Lawson makes something like 1 million this year, but 10 next.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 12:57:10 AM
So to specify, only this years salaries matter and contract lengths mean nothing?

Are you talking about poison pill players? (Players who have signed an extension before the end of their rookie contacts)

For the cap aspect of the game, whatever they're making this year is all that matters against the cap restriction.

In terms of extensions, length of contract, it only matters as much as you let it matter to you; there are no winners.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 01:05:32 AM
So to specify, only this years salaries matter and contract lengths mean nothing?

Are you talking about poison pill players? (Players who have signed an extension before the end of their rookie contacts)

For the cap aspect of the game, whatever they're making this year is all that matters against the cap restriction.

In terms of extensions, length of contract, it only matters as much as you let it matter to you; there are no winners.

Maybe there should be some definitiveness on this? I know its not competitive, but i think it opens up two very different schools of thought. Use ty lawson for example

Person 1 could just use this years salary and say they got a steal.

Person 2 looks at it as a steal, but has to consider his teams ability to pay out these salaries down the road.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 14, 2013, 08:40:37 AM
Doing my tier rankings for shooting guards - when you consinder salaries it's really, really difficult.

You've got a lot of super talents probably making too much at this point, and a lot of emerging stars who are not quite there, but making much less.

Anybody have a good site where I can look at salaries?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 08:41:42 AM
Doing my tier rankings for shooting guards - when you consinder salaries it's really, really difficult.

You've got a lot of super talents probably making too much at this point, and a lot of emerging stars who are not quite there, but making much less.

Anybody have a good site where I can look at salaries?

The "official" salaries for this game will be those at shamsports:

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/index.jsp
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 08:43:34 AM
So to specify, only this years salaries matter and contract lengths mean nothing?

Are you talking about poison pill players? (Players who have signed an extension before the end of their rookie contacts)

For the cap aspect of the game, whatever they're making this year is all that matters against the cap restriction.

In terms of extensions, length of contract, it only matters as much as you let it matter to you; there are no winners.

Maybe there should be some definitiveness on this? I know its not competitive, but i think it opens up two very different schools of thought. Use ty lawson for example

Person 1 could just use this years salary and say they got a steal.

Person 2 looks at it as a steal, but has to consider his teams ability to pay out these salaries down the road.

The game (or exercise, or whatever) envisions you picking up the player with his current contract.  The only modification to that rule is that your two keepers are guaranteed to re-sign with your team at market rate.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 09:14:47 AM
If any watchers / lurkers want to be in consideration for being a replacement GM, please let me know. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 14, 2013, 09:39:06 AM
I know I'm at 10 but can I pick now? If not I can come back at 10.

Also with team pick do we pick our two at the same time?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 09:39:58 AM
I know I'm at 10 but can I pick now? If not I can come back at 10.

Also with team pick do we pick our two at the same time?

Yes, pick now.  Your pick is due *by* 10:00am.  Announce your pick in this thread, preferably in colored text.

Yes, you announce your team, and your two "keeper" players.  (i.e., Boston Celtics, Fab Melo, Leandro Barbosa)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 14, 2013, 09:45:26 AM
OKC Thunder: KD and Westbrook

Sorry on my phone so no color.

Imagine a blue with some white and orange  ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 14, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
Second team up:
Miami.  Keepers are Lebron and Bosh.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 14, 2013, 09:53:18 AM
Random question, does anybody know how to change the time of the forum? For some reason mine says it's 4:52 AM
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 09:54:50 AM
Random question, does anybody know how to change the time of the forum? For some reason mine says it's 4:52 AM


Mine is 5:42
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 14, 2013, 09:55:54 AM
Second team up:
Miami.  Keepers are Lebron and Bosh.

Nice, wade is available
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 10:00:20 AM
28. TheTruthFot18  Thunder  (Durrant/Westbrook)
27. slamtheking   Heat   (Lebron/Bosh)
26. CelticFan9
25. KCAtTheStripe
24. nickagneta
23. Evantime34
22. BleedGreen1989
21. Fairweatherfan
20. StartOrien
19. snively
18. jgod213
17. Lucky17 / RebusRanking
16. IndeedProceed
15. CelticConcourse
14. Who
13. KGsKnee
12. Salt Lover
11. wdleehi
10. Yoki_IsTheName
9. ronaldo943
8. Atzar
7. sofutomygaha
6. AB_Celtic
5. Rondo2287
4. BigAlTheFuture
3. Celtic Fan Forever
2. Edgar
1. celticpride07



Please post updates every couple of picks.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 14, 2013, 10:03:33 AM
Spurs

Parker and Duncan
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 14, 2013, 10:06:08 AM
Huh. Thought for sure I knew what team was going 3rd. Give me a second.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 14, 2013, 10:06:32 AM
Second team up:
Miami.  Keepers are Lebron and Bosh.

Nice, wade is available
glad I could make your day.  he won't be the only all-star available after this round
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 14, 2013, 10:06:53 AM
Spurs

Parker and Duncan

Was hoping they would slip like last year.. Haha
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 10:07:51 AM
Doing my tier rankings for shooting guards - when you consinder salaries it's really, really difficult.

You've got a lot of super talents probably making too much at this point, and a lot of emerging stars who are not quite there, but making much less.

Anybody have a good site where I can look at salaries?

I'm close to finished on a spreadsheet - it has my tiers of players and their salaries. I'm already sending it to KC, if you want I could send it to you Rondo.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 14, 2013, 10:09:21 AM
Yeah, screw it. I'm leaving two all stars on the table and building a dynasty. Give me the Pistons with Monroe and Drummond.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 14, 2013, 10:11:03 AM
Huh. Thought for sure I knew what team was going 3rd. Give me a second.

I mean, it was between San Antonio and Charlotte.

The thing that swayed me for the Spurs was because their logo was cooler.  Personnel had NOTHING to do with it.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 10:11:34 AM
Spurs

Parker and Duncan

Was hoping they would slip like last year.. Haha



That Spurs team must have really improved over this past season.   ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 10:13:06 AM

28. TheTruthFot18  Thunder  (Durrant/Westbrook)
27. slamtheking   Heat   (Lebron/Bosh)
26. CelticFan9   Spurs    (Parker and Duncan)
25. KCAtTheStripe   Pistons (Monroe and Drummond)
24. nickagneta
23. Evantime34
22. BleedGreen1989
21. Fairweatherfan
20. StartOrien
19. snively
18. jgod213
17. Lucky17 / RebusRanking
16. IndeedProceed
15. CelticConcourse
14. Who
13. KGsKnee
12. Salt Lover
11. wdleehi
10. Yoki_IsTheName
9. ronaldo943
8. Atzar
7. sofutomygaha
6. AB_Celtic
5. Rondo2287
4. BigAlTheFuture
3. Celtic Fan Forever
2. Edgar
1. celticpride07



Please post updates every couple of picks.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 10:41:45 AM
Typical NickAgneta right here.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 14, 2013, 11:07:36 AM
Can someone PM me when I am up
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 11:16:21 AM
Can someone PM me when I am up

I got you.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 14, 2013, 11:26:43 AM
(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20121002&Category=COL38&ArtNo=310020111&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Jeff-Seidel-detroit-pistons-andre-drummond)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 11:34:54 AM
(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20121002&Category=COL38&ArtNo=310020111&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Jeff-Seidel-detroit-pistons-andre-drummond)

I haven't watched much Pistons games this year, but obviously have heard a lot about Drummond. Has Monroe come along at all?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
Ha.  nick is really milking this one, huh? ;)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 14, 2013, 11:43:25 AM
(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20121002&Category=COL38&ArtNo=310020111&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Jeff-Seidel-detroit-pistons-andre-drummond)

I haven't watched much Pistons games this year, but obviously have heard a lot about Drummond. Has Monroe come along at all?

Yeah same here, I believe Monroe is like 2nd in the NBA in points in the paint or something like that?

I like this duo, plenty of $$$ to spend to go after the right PG.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 11:46:09 AM
POI: The Harlem Shake internet phenomenon (which I love)...they're not actually doing the Harlem Shake. They're dancing to a song called Harlem Shake. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 11:47:46 AM
(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20121002&Category=COL38&ArtNo=310020111&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Jeff-Seidel-detroit-pistons-andre-drummond)

I haven't watched much Pistons games this year, but obviously have heard a lot about Drummond. Has Monroe come along at all?

Yeah same here, I believe Monroe is like 2nd in the NBA in points in the paint or something like that?

I like this duo, plenty of $$$ to spend to go after the right PG.

(http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/oly_a_calderson1_sw_sq_300.jpg)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 11:54:31 AM
POI: There was no old English word 'Ye', as in, 'Ye Olde Hologram Shoppe'.

In Old English and early Middle English, the sound (th) was represented by the letter thorn (). But, since the letter thorn was not in use in Germany (where the majority of the typesets came from for printing presses), they improvised with 'Ye'.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 11:58:03 AM
ARGHH!!!!

Detroit gone wtiht the 4th pick?  I knew they wouldn't last until mine at 16, but shoot.  Very smart pick KCat.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 14, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20121002&Category=COL38&ArtNo=310020111&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Jeff-Seidel-detroit-pistons-andre-drummond)

I haven't watched much Pistons games this year, but obviously have heard a lot about Drummond. Has Monroe come along at all?

Yeah same here, I believe Monroe is like 2nd in the NBA in points in the paint or something like that?

I like this duo, plenty of $$$ to spend to go after the right PG.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this pick.  A little earlier than I expected but I think it's a pretty good one for a team being built for the future.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 12:02:44 PM
POI: There is no actual 'Brontosaurus'. The Brontosaurus is actually an Apatosaurus, but because of a heated rivalry between two paleontologists in the 1800's, it became commonly used for the Apatosaurus which had been discovered years earlier.

However, even the Apatosaurus isn't really a real representation. The paleontologist who found that discovered his find dind't have a head, so he substituted another head he'd found in order to make a more complete skeleton.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 12:03:32 PM
(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20121002&Category=COL38&ArtNo=310020111&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Jeff-Seidel-detroit-pistons-andre-drummond)

I haven't watched much Pistons games this year, but obviously have heard a lot about Drummond. Has Monroe come along at all?

Yeah same here, I believe Monroe is like 2nd in the NBA in points in the paint or something like that?

I like this duo, plenty of $$$ to spend to go after the right PG.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this pick.  A little earlier than I expected but I think it's a pretty good one for a team being built for the future.

I don't know if there's 'too early' in this because it's just a for fun draft. And I think there's definitely an argument to be made that making a young Pistons squad would be more fun/rewarding than say, building a 'contender' around Lebron/Wade.

That being said - KC, I'm surprised you didn't go with the team you PM'd me about earlier.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 12:04:57 PM
POI: There is no actual 'Brontosaurus'. The Brontosaurus is actually an Apatosaurus, but because of a heated rivalry between two paleontologists in the 1800's, it became commonly used for the Apatosaurus which had been discovered years earlier.

However, even the Apatosaurus isn't really a real representation. The paleontologist who found that discovered his find dind't have a head, so he substituted another head he'd found in order to make a more complete skeleton.


Just imagine if he had found the head of a T-Rex instead and stuck that on. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 12:06:52 PM
Something must have come up with nick, but he's skipped.  Evantime34 is up.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 12:07:26 PM
EVANTIME CHECK PM's.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 14, 2013, 12:07:54 PM
EVANTIME CHECK PM's.

Do it now!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 12:08:17 PM
Terrorist threat:

I'm going to start a Josh Smith trade rumor in the forums for every 30 minutes that pass without Nick making a selection.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 12:10:40 PM
Terrorist threat:

I'm going to start a Josh Smith trade rumor in the forums for every 30 minutes that pass without Nick making a selection.


So you plan on keeping the status quo. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 14, 2013, 12:11:13 PM
(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20121002&Category=COL38&ArtNo=310020111&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Jeff-Seidel-detroit-pistons-andre-drummond)

I haven't watched much Pistons games this year, but obviously have heard a lot about Drummond. Has Monroe come along at all?

Yeah same here, I believe Monroe is like 2nd in the NBA in points in the paint or something like that?

I like this duo, plenty of $$$ to spend to go after the right PG.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this pick.  A little earlier than I expected but I think it's a pretty good one for a team being built for the future.

I don't know if there's 'too early' in this because it's just a for fun draft. And I think there's definitely an argument to be made that making a young Pistons squad would be more fun/rewarding than say, building a 'contender' around Lebron/Wade.

That being said - KC, I'm surprised you didn't go with the team you PM'd me about earlier.
what I mean by too early is that I think there's some better options (IMHO) out there if someone is going to take this approach.  I still like this idea though
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Fafnir on February 14, 2013, 12:11:20 PM
Terrorist threat:

I'm going to start a Josh Smith trade rumor in the forums for every 30 minutes that pass without Nick making a selection.
Lame.

A real terrorist would have threatened us with Walker comeback threads.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 12:13:52 PM
Terrorist threat:

I'm going to start a Josh Smith trade rumor in the forums for every 30 minutes that pass without Nick making a selection.


So you plan on keeping the status quo.

Ramping it up! Think of all the alley oops! Like 12 a game cuz Rondo's fast and Josh Smith can jump real high and no one would be ready for it!

EDIT: hahahhaha, I wish I could take credit for the title of the newest one.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 12:15:17 PM
Terrorist threat:

I'm going to start a Josh Smith trade rumor in the forums for every 30 minutes that pass without Nick making a selection.


So you plan on keeping the status quo.

Ramping it up! Think of all the alley oops! Like 12 a game cuz Rondo's fast and Josh Smith can jump real high and no one would be ready for it!

Bark bark bark Josh Smith immature poor shot selection even though I don't really understand why his defense is good I'm still going to say its bad bark bark.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 14, 2013, 12:16:16 PM
I pick the LA Clippers
Blake Griffin
Chris Paul

Also I no longer get emails when I get a PM, despite my setting indicating I should.

IP it disgusts me that people think whatever that dance is, is the Harlem Shake.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 12:17:39 PM
I pick the LA Clippers
Blake Griffin
Chris Paul

Clips at #6? You lucky dog.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 14, 2013, 12:18:13 PM
And here I thought I would be able to land Detroit.

Very interesting pick/team that one.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 12:18:49 PM
Yeah Evantime basically got really lucky. Although technically, he took them at #5, right?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Fafnir on February 14, 2013, 12:21:34 PM
Yeah Evantime basically got really lucky. Although technically, he took them at #5, right?
Yeah, with one poster deciding to go for a young rebuilding team.

I thought for sure the Clippers would be top 3, top 3 all seemed sure things really in whatever order drafter preference put them.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 12:22:43 PM
Yeah Evantime basically got really lucky. Although technically, he took them at #5, right?

I don't really see why their draft order should be swapped.  Wouldn't that imply Nick would then get to pick before Evan in the player draft?

Basically, the 5th pick was vacated (temporarily).
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 14, 2013, 12:24:48 PM
Yeah Evantime basically got really lucky. Although technically, he took them at #5, right?

I don't really see why their draft order should be swapped.  Wouldn't that imply Nick would then get to pick before Evan in the player draft?

Basically, the 5th pick was vacated (temporarily).
I think Nick should continue to move back until he picks. If he were to pick now he should absolutely get to pick in front of me in the player draft portion.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 12:25:04 PM
Yeah Evantime basically got really lucky. Although technically, he took them at #5, right?
Yeah, with one poster deciding to go for a young rebuilding team.

I thought for sure the Clippers would be top 3, top 3 all seemed sure things really in whatever order drafter preference put them.

I figured it would go Mia/OKC/LAC/SAS.  Pretty close.  That Detroit pick sure was a surprise, bt I really like the pick.

Monroe/Drummond is a crazy good big man combo.  I'm betting one of them gets traded for a early pick though.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 12:26:56 PM
Yeah Evantime basically got really lucky. Although technically, he took them at #5, right?

I don't really see why their draft order should be swapped.  Wouldn't that imply Nick would then get to pick before Evan in the player draft?

Basically, the 5th pick was vacated (temporarily).
I think Nick should continue to move back until he picks. If he were to pick now he should absolutely get to pick in front of me in the player draft portion.

Eh, it was his fault, not yours.  I mean this is all for fun so, I guess we don't have to hold strong to rules.  I just know in other similar drafts I've done, you don't get to move up in later rounds.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 12:29:27 PM
Yeah Evantime basically got really lucky. Although technically, he took them at #5, right?

I don't really see why their draft order should be swapped.  Wouldn't that imply Nick would then get to pick before Evan in the player draft?

Basically, the 5th pick was vacated (temporarily).
I think Nick should continue to move back until he picks. If he were to pick now he should absolutely get to pick in front of me in the player draft portion.

Eh, it was his fault, not yours.  I mean this is all for fun so, I guess we don't have to hold strong to rules.  I just know in other similar drafts I've done, you don't get to move up in later rounds.

Well it was not your fault but miiiine
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 12:35:01 PM
Oh, I definitely see the appeal of building around certain duos. Especially a couple of good eggs like Drummond and Monroe.

Frick and Frack may be better players, but better people? No way.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 12:36:26 PM
Any rules on relocating franchises?

Rebus and I were kicking around the idea of renaming our franchise the Winnipeg Flying Poutine Monsters.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 12:52:03 PM
Any rules on relocating franchises?

Rebus and I were kicking around the idea of renaming our franchise the Winnipeg Flying Poutine Monsters.


Too confusing. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 12:54:07 PM
Yeah Evantime basically got really lucky. Although technically, he took them at #5, right?

I don't really see why their draft order should be swapped.  Wouldn't that imply Nick would then get to pick before Evan in the player draft?

Basically, the 5th pick was vacated (temporarily).
I think Nick should continue to move back until he picks. If he were to pick now he should absolutely get to pick in front of me in the player draft portion.

Skipped teams won't have their original draft order adjusted.  Otherwise, it might give people an incentive to voluntarily get skipped.

If you and nick want to voluntarily agree to swap some of your draft picks, though, I wouldn't object.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 01:07:08 PM
BleedGreen is skeeped, FWF is up.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 01:09:02 PM
Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18 OKC Thunder:  Durant, Westbrook
10:30am slamtheking Miami Heat: Lebron, Bosh
11:00am. CelticFan9 San Antonio Spurs: Duncan, Parker
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe Detroit Pistons: Monroe, Drummond
12:00pm nickagneta Pick Any Time
12:30pm Evantime34 LA Clippers: Chris Paul, Blake Griffindor
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989 PICK ANYTIME
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan
2:00pm. StartOrien
2:30pm. snively
3:00pm. jgod213
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking
4:00pm  IndeedProceed
4:30pm  CelticConcourse
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 14, 2013, 01:12:01 PM
Where iz erybody
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 01:15:59 PM
Just got back in - reviewing the picks now and I'll have mine up in a few.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 01:16:15 PM
Where iz erybody

Out buying chocolates and flowers, I hope.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 01:23:32 PM
Just got back in - reviewing the picks now and I'll have mine up in a few.

Shout out to jolly rancher sour hearts. They're dope
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 01:28:15 PM
Gah I'm so torn...ok I'm picking the Knicks.  Carmelo and Chandler, and lots of $$ to spend.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 01:28:57 PM
Where iz erybody

Out buying chocolates and flowers, I hope.


Bribery will not buy you better trades on here.



(well, depends on the chocolate)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
Will have my pick in the next five - debating three teams
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 01:33:38 PM
Gah I'm so torn...ok I'm picking the Knicks.  Carmelo and Chandler, and lots of $$ to spend.

So that is the 6th team taken (with the 8th pick), right?  Seems about right, I had the Knicks @ 7.

Anthony and Chandler is a good combo, and boy do them Knicks got money to burn.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 01:37:56 PM
Gah I'm so torn...ok I'm picking the Knicks.  Carmelo and Chandler, and lots of $$ to spend.

So that is the 6th team taken (with the 8th pick), right?  Seems about right, I had the Knicks @ 7.

Anthony and Chandler is a good combo, and boy do them Knicks got money to burn.

I usually try to pick who I think will be the most fun, and I was really tempted to take a younger team, but I think the Knicks have great potential.  Plus I'm like the only guy around here who likes Carmelo.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 14, 2013, 01:40:09 PM
Los Angeles Lakers.  Kobe Bryant    Dwight Howard
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 01:41:58 PM
Los Angeles Lakers.  Kobe Bryant    Dwight Howard

Nick, check your PM's.

Everybody else, no worries. No drama.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 01:44:28 PM
Los Angeles Lakers.  Kobe Bryant    Dwight Howard

Not that I would have chosen different keepers, but that is just such a toxic combo.

You're trading Kobe, right?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 01:45:39 PM
IP,

Can I have permission to make the selection of my team and not announce my keepers so we can expedite things? I think you can probably figure out why I'd want to do that.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 14, 2013, 01:46:44 PM
Today is Valentine's Day so I am off to spend the rest of the day with my wife.

Kobe is on the block....PM me with offers
D12 is on the block.....PM me with offers

I am not switching franchises, I like my $99.3 million cap or whatever it is.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 01:48:59 PM
IP,

Can I have permission to make the selection of my team and not announce my keepers so we can expedite things? I think you can probably figure out why I'd want to do that.



Roy already put the squash on that move. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 01:49:39 PM
New Knicks logo:

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/lardbiscuit/pix/idiotcash.jpg)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 01:54:11 PM
Sorry for people who PM'd me, was at the deli getting lunch.

Some old lady, hovered near the middle of the line, clearly by passing the queue of 5 people formed, when the server asked, 'who's next?' I raised my hand.

THE OLD WOMAN SAYS, "NO. I've been waiting long enough. Your turn to wait."

I said I'd been there longer, and she'd just ignored the line, quietly. The server looked at me, then looked at the crotchety old lady, shrugged, and served the old lady.

3 pizzas and about a bagillion coupons later, with one argument where the lady raised her voice about her treatment to the manager, I got my half-sub and cup of soup.

I'm about ready to get all allegedly Ray Lewis up in here.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 01:56:32 PM
Sorry for people who PM'd me, was at the deli getting lunch.

Some old lady, hovered near the middle of the line, clearly by passing the queue of 5 people formed, when the server asked, 'who's next?' I raised my hand.

THE OLD WOMAN SAYS, "NO. I've been waiting long enough. Your turn to wait."

I said I'd been there longer, and she'd just ignored the line, quietly. The server looked at me, then looked at the crotchety old lady, shrugged, and served the old lady.

3 pizzas and about a bagillion coupons later, with one argument where the lady raised her voice about her treatment to the manager, I got my half-sub and cup of soup.

I'm about ready to get all allegedly Ray Lewis up in here.

Where's the soup Nazi when you need him!?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 14, 2013, 01:56:55 PM
Sorry for people who PM'd me, was at the deli getting lunch.

Some old lady, hovered near the middle of the line, clearly by passing the queue of 5 people formed, when the server asked, 'who's next?' I raised my hand.

THE OLD WOMAN SAYS, "NO. I've been waiting long enough. Your turn to wait."

I said I'd been there longer, and she'd just ignored the line, quietly. The server looked at me, then looked at the crotchety old lady, shrugged, and served the old lady.

3 pizzas and about a bagillion coupons later, with one argument where the lady raised her voice about her treatment to the manager, I got my half-sub and cup of soup.

I'm about ready to get all allegedly Ray Lewis up in here.

You met Kobe at a deli?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 01:59:41 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 14, 2013, 02:00:28 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Interesting choices. Good choices.

All-defensive team in the making.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Oh my.  Somebody call a couples counselor cuz it's about to get real defensive in here.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 14, 2013, 02:01:26 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Ive got a raging seidenberg for this team
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: 33-00-32 on February 14, 2013, 02:05:48 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
(http://www.ganonbakerbasketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Dee-Brown-nolook-dunk.jpg)(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/sav/sav0807/sav080700034/3298982-the-fence-on-white-background-the-illustration-3d-isolated-object.jpg)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: snively on February 14, 2013, 02:07:03 PM
Brooklyn is tempting, but I'm going to go Houston with Harden (on the last year of his rookie deal) and Asik.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 14, 2013, 02:08:40 PM
Brooklyn is tempting, but I'm going to go Houston with Harden (on the last year of his rookie deal) and Asik.

Gaah...I knew they wouldn't make it
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 02:09:18 PM
Brooklyn is tempting, but I'm going to go Houston with Harden (on the last year of his rookie deal) and Asik.

One of the teams I seriously considered, with exactly those keepers.  Nice pick.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 14, 2013, 02:09:44 PM
Brooklyn is tempting, but I'm going to go Houston with Harden (on the last year of his rookie deal) and Asik.

YOU!

YOU!

YOU!

After Detroit was taken I thought for sure it will make it to me. Curse YOU!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 14, 2013, 02:10:03 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Homer!   ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 02:10:37 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Wow!  Rondo and Pierce on the board!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 14, 2013, 02:10:47 PM
Brooklyn is tempting, but I'm going to go Houston with Harden (on the last year of his rookie deal) and Asik.

Much better than my options with houston last year
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 14, 2013, 02:11:34 PM
Brooklyn is tempting, but I'm going to go Houston with Harden (on the last year of his rookie deal) and Asik.

YOU!

YOU!

YOU!

After Detroit was taken I thought for sure it will make it to me. Curse YOU!

Welp those two weren't making it past me anyways haha.

I'll have my pick in in a few...just trying to convince myself that my backup selection aint so bad...
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
Brooklyn is tempting, but I'm going to go Houston with Harden (on the last year of his rookie deal) and Asik.

One of the teams I seriously considered, with exactly those keepers.  Nice pick.

Oh wow, I didn't realize Harden was still on his rookie deal. That gives you a huge amount of flexibility. What is Asik and Harden? A combined $12 million? Something like that. Nice.

I love building around someone with Harden's skill-set. The scoring and the playmaking. Makes things a lot easier offensively to have a ball-handling and playmaking wing of his caliber. Asik to anchor the defense too.

A bit similar to what New York have with Carmelo and Tyson.


Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Interesting choices. Good choices.

All-defensive team in the making.

Yeah, very interesting keepers there. I think this is now shaping up to be one of the most fun teams in this CB Fantasy League.

Lots of versatility too. KG can go PF or C. Bradley can go PG or SG. Lots of options in how best to build around those players. Bradley is cheap. Garnett is fairly cheap too. Lots of money available.

Cool choice.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 02:14:34 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Homer!   ;D

Yup.

It was real tough between them, probably the smart/right team, and a couple young'ns
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 14, 2013, 02:16:58 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Homer!   ;D

Yup.

It was real tough between them, probably the smart/right team, and a couple young'ns

It would be pretty insane if you could still nab Rondo or Pierce in the player draft.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 02:17:57 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Homer!   ;D

Yup.

It was real tough between them, probably the smart/right team, and a couple young'ns

It would be pretty insane if you could still nab Rondo or Pierce in the player draft.

I don't think Rondo has much value because he can't play for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
Brooklyn is tempting, but I'm going to go Houston with Harden (on the last year of his rookie deal) and Asik.

YOU!

YOU!

YOU!

After Detroit was taken I thought for sure it will make it to me. Curse YOU!

Would not have made it past me.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 02:18:33 PM
So what kind of value are people going to place on Rondo in the draft?  How  badly is his current knee injury going to count against him?

He can't be considered viable for a team built to win this year.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 14, 2013, 02:20:07 PM
So what kind of value are people going to place on Rondo in the draft?  How  badly is his current knee injury going to count against him?

He can't be considered viable for a team built to win this year.


Depends on your team.  If you are loaded with older win now, little.


Young bucks not going to win, a lot.


If you are trying to impress certain posters, 1st.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 02:21:11 PM
Brooklyn is tempting, but I'm going to go Houston with Harden (on the last year of his rookie deal) and Asik.

YOU!

YOU!

YOU!

After Detroit was taken I thought for sure it will make it to me. Curse YOU!

Would not have made it past me.

I had Detroit projected at pick 10.  4 was higher than I thought, but you can't go wrong with two young quality bigs.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 14, 2013, 02:23:44 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Homer!   ;D

Yup.

It was real tough between them, probably the smart/right team, and a couple young'ns

It would be pretty insane if you could still nab Rondo or Pierce in the player draft.

I don't think Rondo has much value because he can't play for the rest of the season.

I thought we were playing this like the team we had would be playing the 13/14 season, no?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 02:24:12 PM
I had Detroit projected at pick 10.  4 was higher than I thought, but you can't go wrong with two young quality bigs.

I had Detroit and LA both pegged around the high teens early twenties.

Very interested to see how both of those squads play out. To see what type of advantage LA can get with their higher salary cap + what type of team Detroit builds around their two young big men.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 02:24:34 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Homer!   ;D

Yup.

It was real tough between them, probably the smart/right team, and a couple young'ns

It would be pretty insane if you could still nab Rondo or Pierce in the player draft.

I don't think Rondo has much value because he can't play for the rest of the season.

I thought we were playing this like the team we had would be playing the 13/14 season, no?
This year
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 14, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Homer!   ;D

Yup.

It was real tough between them, probably the smart/right team, and a couple young'ns

It would be pretty insane if you could still nab Rondo or Pierce in the player draft.

I don't think Rondo has much value because he can't play for the rest of the season.

I thought we were playing this like the team we had would be playing the 13/14 season, no?
This year

Ok, thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 02:26:56 PM
It's for this year, but not everyone is aiming for the same thing.  Some might be looking to the future, no?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 02:27:19 PM
Boston Celtics

Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley

Homer!   ;D

Yup.

It was real tough between them, probably the smart/right team, and a couple young'ns

It would be pretty insane if you could still nab Rondo or Pierce in the player draft.

I don't think Rondo has much value because he can't play for the rest of the season.

I thought we were playing this like the team we had would be playing the 13/14 season, no?
This year

Yeah, you take your players as you find them for a theoretical 2013 season.  However, a lot of GMs are going to be future-oriented, and to them Rondo is going to be an extremely appealing piece.

Wade, Rondo and Pierce will be available at the top of the draft.  That's pretty appealing.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: snively on February 14, 2013, 02:28:10 PM
I had Detroit projected at pick 10.  4 was higher than I thought, but you can't go wrong with two young quality bigs.

I had Detroit and LA both pegged around the high teens early twenties.

Very interested to see how both of those squads play out. To see what type of advantage LA can get with their higher salary cap + what type of team Detroit builds around their two young big men.

LA not till the high teens?  I thought the Kobe/Dwight pairing with LA's payroll cushioning the impact of Kobe's contract guaranteed them a spot in the top 10.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 02:30:41 PM
For me I thought there was too much unknown to pick Rondo.

In a real draft I'd probably take him, but I don't know enough about how other people in this draft view them.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 02:32:06 PM
I had Detroit projected at pick 10.  4 was higher than I thought, but you can't go wrong with two young quality bigs.

I had Detroit and LA both pegged around the high teens early twenties.

Very interested to see how both of those squads play out. To see what type of advantage LA can get with their higher salary cap + what type of team Detroit builds around their two young big men.

LA not till the high teens?  I thought the Kobe/Dwight pairing with LA's payroll cushioning the impact of Kobe's contract guaranteed them a spot in the top 10.

Agree with the Lakers payroll cap being so much higher than everyone else's guaranteeing them a top 10 spot.  I had them at 6, pretty much where they went.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 02:33:09 PM
jgod pick a team yet?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 02:34:58 PM
jgod pick a team yet?

I dont think so.  He has til 3, right?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 14, 2013, 02:38:36 PM
Ok it was a 50/50 split between two teams for me, both of whom play in the same division...

Indiana Pacers

Paul George & Roy Hibbert
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 02:40:09 PM
Ok it was a 50/50 split between two teams for me, both of whom play in the same division...

Indiana Pacers

Paul George & Roy Hibbert

Wow!!!!

Didn't see that coming, I had them pegged below me even.  Thoughts behind the pick?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 02:40:12 PM
Lucky/Rebus?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 02:42:43 PM
internet's darling slippping much further than I would've expected
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 02:44:13 PM
Lucky/Rebus?

Anxious, are we?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 02:45:10 PM
BleedGreen still hasn't picked yet, huh?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: snively on February 14, 2013, 02:45:45 PM
Ok it was a 50/50 split between two teams for me, both of whom play in the same division...

Indiana Pacers

Paul George & Roy Hibbert

How much of a debate was it between West and Hibbert?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 02:46:26 PM
I had Detroit projected at pick 10.  4 was higher than I thought, but you can't go wrong with two young quality bigs.

I had Detroit and LA both pegged around the high teens early twenties.

Very interested to see how both of those squads play out. To see what type of advantage LA can get with their higher salary cap + what type of team Detroit builds around their two young big men.

LA not till the high teens?  I thought the Kobe/Dwight pairing with LA's payroll cushioning the impact of Kobe's contract guaranteed them a spot in the top 10.
A banged up Dwight really hurt them for me. I had Nash there instead of Kobe. I didn't think Kobe would be a keeper due to his contract (plus, Kobe is kinda annoying to build around with his selfish ways). So I had LA well back.

I am not sure how important that extra financial wiggle room will be. I didn't give it much value. I am really looking forward to seeing how important all this salary stuff turns out to be.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 02:50:54 PM
Just got back from a meeting. Pick will be coming shortly. Need to check my PMs with Rebus.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 14, 2013, 02:51:46 PM
Ok it was a 50/50 split between two teams for me, both of whom play in the same division...

Indiana Pacers

Paul George & Roy Hibbert

How much of a debate was it between West and Hibbert?

Haha, I had West's name written down, crossed out, then written down again about 3 times.

As far as reasoning, I mean it's obviously not the sexy pick, but Paul George is just awesome.  Only 22 years old and he's the complete package.

Hibbert has had a down year offensively, but defensively this pairing is about as solid as it gets. The advanced defensive metrics on these two are unreal.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 02:52:29 PM
I had Nash there instead of Kobe. I didn't think Kobe would be a keeper due to his contract (plus, Kobe is kinda annoying to build around with his selfish ways). So I had LA well back.

I am not sure how important that extra financial wiggle room will be. I didn't give it much value. I am really looking forward to seeing how important all this salary stuff turns out to be.

I'd say those two considerations (Kobe's salary and the higher cap) cancel each other out - if the extra payroll room isn't too important, might as well use it securing the better player.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 14, 2013, 02:52:38 PM
I am not sure how important that extra financial wiggle room will be. I didn't give it much value. I am really looking forward to seeing how important all this salary stuff turns out to be.
that's a good point.  how are the monies going to be tracked?  do we have to post the salaries of the players when we make our picks or is someone going to validate everything at the end? 

also, do we have to worry about incoming/outgoing salaries matching within a certain amount like the CBA?  I really like the idea of trades based on talent rather than $.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: snively on February 14, 2013, 02:54:07 PM
Ok it was a 50/50 split between two teams for me, both of whom play in the same division...

Indiana Pacers

Paul George & Roy Hibbert

How much of a debate was it between West and Hibbert?

Haha, I had West's name written down, crossed out, then written down again about 3 times.

As far as reasoning, I mean it's obviously not the sexy pick, but Paul George is just awesome.  Only 22 years old and he's the complete package.

Hibbert has had a down year offensively, but defensively this pairing is about as solid as it gets. The advanced defensive metrics on these two are unreal.

My main beef with Hibbert is how much he struggles defensively against bigs like KG that can pull him out of the paint.

But George and Hibbert is certainly a daunting defensive tandem.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 02:59:12 PM
I am not sure how important that extra financial wiggle room will be. I didn't give it much value. I am really looking forward to seeing how important all this salary stuff turns out to be.
that's a good point.  how are the monies going to be tracked?  do we have to post the salaries of the players when we make our picks or is someone going to validate everything at the end? 

also, do we have to worry about incoming/outgoing salaries matching within a certain amount like the CBA?  I really like the idea of trades based on talent rather than $.

I think you are meant to list the player and this year's salary next to him when drafting the player. Plus, probably at some point later. To make sure you are under the team's cap.

Trades are still for talent. Salaries don't matter. You don't have to match salaries. Just make sure you are under your team's salary cap at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 02:59:35 PM
bahhhhhhhhhhh I'm not sick but I'm not well
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 02:59:57 PM
OK, hope Rebus is OK with this.

We're taking Portland, LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard, at a combined $16.5 mil.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
OK, hope Rebus is OK with this.

We're taking Portland, LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard, at a combined $16.5 mil.

Shut up.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 03:03:29 PM
Won't lie and say that economics didn't factor into the decision. We had a couple other teams arguably ranked higher.

But it's easy to root for LMA and Lillard. Both solid citizens and hard workers.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 14, 2013, 03:09:46 PM
Won't lie and say that economics didn't factor into the decision. We had a couple other teams arguably ranked higher.

But it's easy to root for LMA and Lillard. Both solid citizens and hard workers.

Yeah I think that a solid, healthy, veteran supporting cast would do wonders for them, too. Especially Lilliard.

Batum and Matthews have really not been right all year, too much burden on Lilliard to pcik up the slack.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 03:12:08 PM
OK, hope Rebus is OK with this.

We're taking Portland, LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard, at a combined $16.5 mil.

[dang] you all!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 03:14:21 PM
Still thinking.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 03:16:36 PM
Still no BleedGreen pick?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 03:18:39 PM
So far, I'd say my two favorite picks have been Detroit and Portland.  Love the Aldridge/LLiard combo.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 03:19:50 PM
IndeedProceed selects Cleveland, Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson.

And he doesn't want to hear about it from Roy Hobbs.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 14, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
IndeedProceed selects Cleveland, Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson.

And he doesn't want to hear about it from Roy Hobbs.

He's going to hear about it from Roy Hobbs
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 03:24:31 PM
Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18 OKC Thunder:  Durant, Westbrook
10:30am slamtheking Miami Heat: Lebron, Bosh
11:00am. CelticFan9 San Antonio Spurs: Duncan, Parker
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe Detroit Pistons: Monroe, Drummond
12:00pm nickagneta LA Lakers:  Kobe, Howard
12:30pm Evantime34 LA Clippers: Chris Paul, Blake Griffindor
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989 PICK ANYTIME
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan    NY Knicks: Carmelo and Chandler,
2:00pm. StartOrien  Boston Celtics:  Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
2:30pm. snively   Houston: Harden and Asik.
3:00pm. jgod213 Indiana Pacers: Paul George & Roy Hibbert
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking Portland Trailblazers: LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard
4:00pm  IndeedProceed Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson
4:30pm  CelticConcourse
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 03:30:55 PM
IndeedProceed selects Cleveland, Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson.

And he doesn't want to hear about it from Roy Hobbs.

Good luck trading Thompson for Lebron.  I'll be pulling for you.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 14, 2013, 03:31:41 PM
IndeedProceed selects Cleveland, Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson.

And he doesn't want to hear about it from Roy Hobbs.

He's going to hear about it from Roy Hobbs
Yes he is most definitely going to hear about it from Roy Hobbs.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 03:31:58 PM
Any GM who hasn't chosen a team by 9pm EST will be removed.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 14, 2013, 03:32:38 PM
Just saying......Kobe and Dwight Howard on the block.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 03:34:53 PM
With 28 GMs, two franchises won't be selected.

Does this mean that the players on those franchises will not be draft eligible?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 03:38:05 PM
With 28 GMs, two franchises won't be selected.

Does this mean that the players on those franchises will not be draft eligible?

I'd imagine they'd all be eligible.  Make it like the two franchises were just contracted.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 03:38:49 PM
With 28 GMs, two franchises won't be selected.

Does this mean that the players on those franchises will not be draft eligible?

I'm pretty sure that just means the entire team is up for grabs.  More fun that way.


...we should come up with a template for reporting salaries as we draft.  Something like this attached to each draft post:

Carmelo Anthony $19.4
Tyson Chandler  $13.6
Draft Pick #1    $9.2
______________________
Total:          $42.2

BTW, can we make a gentlemen's agreement about rounding salaries to the nearest $100k or $10k?  Kind of a pain to do the exact dollar amounts.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
Just saying......Kobe and Dwight Howard on the block.

I'll give you my 10th round pick straight up for Kobe  ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 03:40:39 PM
Just saying......Kobe and Dwight Howard on the block.

You're the only team that can afford Kobe :P

It is kinda crazy that I'm #2 oops, #4 in payroll and have $18 million less to play around with.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 03:41:26 PM
BTW, can we make a gentlemen's agreement about rounding salaries to the nearest $100k or $10k?  Kind of a pain to do the exact dollar amounts.

I like the idea of rounding it to the nearest $100K, much easier.  Nearest $10K works though too.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 03:41:33 PM
BTW, can we make a gentlemen's agreement about rounding salaries to the nearest $100k or $10k?  Kind of a pain to do the exact dollar amounts.

I am all for that. Yes, please. Do this!

Edit: On second thought, $10k would be better. Two decimal places. $7.46 million. Nice and neat. And accurate.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 03:46:29 PM
...we should come up with a template for reporting salaries as we draft.  Something like this attached to each draft post:

Carmelo Anthony $19.4
Tyson Chandler  $13.6
Draft Pick #1    $9.2
______________________
Total:          $42.2


I would be against this idea. I think it would be a bit annoying to do that every time you make a pick + it will clutter up the draft thread.

We normally have a separate rosters thread so we can see everybody's teams side-by-side. I think we should do that but also have a 2nd separate sticky thread for salaries.

(1) Rosters
(2) Salaries by team

One for rosters. One for salary listings of individual players and team salary. Better to separate them so people can scan team's rosters more quickly when discussing them after the draft.

People could post their updated teams in each thread every so often.

That would be my preferred option.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 04:15:20 PM
...we should come up with a template for reporting salaries as we draft.  Something like this attached to each draft post:

Carmelo Anthony $19.4
Tyson Chandler  $13.6
Draft Pick #1    $9.2
______________________
Total:          $42.2


I would be against this idea. I think it would be a bit annoying to do that every time you make a pick + it will clutter up the draft thread.

We normally have a separate rosters thread so we can see everybody's teams side-by-side. I think we should do that but also have a 2nd separate sticky thread for salaries.

(1) Rosters
(2) Salaries by team

One for rosters. One for salary listings of individual players and team salary. Better to separate them so people can scan team's rosters more quickly when discussing them after the draft.

People could post their updated teams in each thread every so often.

That would be my preferred option.

While I agree that it'll be annoying, I think we should take a few extra steps to make the math as transparent as possible. Nothing will be worse than if we have a few teams near the end unable to fill out their rosters.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 14, 2013, 04:23:16 PM
...we should come up with a template for reporting salaries as we draft.  Something like this attached to each draft post:

Carmelo Anthony $19.4
Tyson Chandler  $13.6
Draft Pick #1    $9.2
______________________
Total:          $42.2


I would be against this idea. I think it would be a bit annoying to do that every time you make a pick + it will clutter up the draft thread.

We normally have a separate rosters thread so we can see everybody's teams side-by-side. I think we should do that but also have a 2nd separate sticky thread for salaries.

(1) Rosters
(2) Salaries by team

One for rosters. One for salary listings of individual players and team salary. Better to separate them so people can scan team's rosters more quickly when discussing them after the draft.

People could post their updated teams in each thread every so often.

That would be my preferred option.

While I agree that it'll be annoying, I think we should take a few extra steps to make the math as transparent as possible. Nothing will be worse than if we have a few teams near the end unable to fill out their rosters.

We could compromise and just have people state their total salary before the pick, the salary of the guy they picked, and the new total.  It would keep things from getting too cluttered as the rosters filled up.

Kind of a related question - are we allowed to be over the cap at any point in the process?  Do we just have to make it under the cap at the end or do we have to stay under that amount for the entire draft?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 04:25:41 PM
Kind of a related question - are we allowed to be over the cap at any point in the process?  Do we just have to make it under the cap at the end or do we have to stay under that amount for the entire draft?

This is a good question.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 04:27:01 PM
Kind of a related question - are we allowed to be over the cap at any point in the process? 

No.  Your budget is a hard cap.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 04:32:49 PM
In the late rounds, people will really need to pay attention to that hard cap.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 14, 2013, 04:33:19 PM
Sorry to be annoying, but what is the link to the website we're using for salaries again? Could we maybe put that on one of the first page posts on this thread?

EDIT: Ignore the first question, but the second one still stands.

DOUBLE EDIT: Thanks, Roy!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 14, 2013, 04:41:56 PM
OK, hope Rebus is OK with this.

We're taking Portland, LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard, at a combined $16.5 mil.

Rebus loves the pick.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 14, 2013, 04:43:03 PM
In the late rounds, people will really need to pay attention to that hard cap.
Some people will have to do that. ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 04:45:25 PM
In the late rounds, people will really need to pay attention to that hard cap.
Some people will have to do that. ;D

Yeah, you've spent $47 million on your keepers.  That would kill most teams.  Instead, you've got $50 million left.

For most teams, that's the equivalent of getting Kobe and Dwight for about $10 million each per season.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 14, 2013, 04:48:30 PM
When can we submit trades for approval? Is there an "end of the first round before trade are announced" rule?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 04:50:20 PM
When can we submit trades for approval? Is there an "end of the first round before trade are announced" rule?

Send them to me.

If I'm not around, IndeedProceed, wdleehi, StartOrien, and nickagneta are all Assistant Commishes.

Now, don't go approving your own trade. ;)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Fafnir on February 14, 2013, 04:52:36 PM
In the late rounds, people will really need to pay attention to that hard cap.
Some people will have to do that. ;D

Yeah, you've spent $47 million on your keepers.  That would kill most teams.  Instead, you've got $50 million left.

For most teams, that's the equivalent of getting Kobe and Dwight for about $10 million each per season.
Steal, even given the current woes of the junior member of that duo.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 04:56:21 PM
In the late rounds, people will really need to pay attention to that hard cap.
Some people will have to do that. ;D

Yeah, you've spent $47 million on your keepers.  That would kill most teams.  Instead, you've got $50 million left.

For most teams, that's the equivalent of getting Kobe and Dwight for about $10 million each per season.

Wow. Can't imagine being a $70 mil capped team and trading for those two. Would really be behind the 8-ball to fill out the rest of the roster with only $23 mil.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Fafnir on February 14, 2013, 04:59:02 PM
In the late rounds, people will really need to pay attention to that hard cap.
Some people will have to do that. ;D

Yeah, you've spent $47 million on your keepers.  That would kill most teams.  Instead, you've got $50 million left.

For most teams, that's the equivalent of getting Kobe and Dwight for about $10 million each per season.

Wow. Can't imagine being a $70 mil capped team and trading for those two. Would really be behind the 8-ball to fill out the rest of the roster with only $23 mil.
Well Kobe is most of it remember, $30M...

Howard's is much more palatable.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 14, 2013, 05:10:19 PM
two teams still left to be picked today
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 14, 2013, 05:18:03 PM
Hopefully there's a few good teams leftover when its my turn to pick..
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
Hopefully there's a few good teams leftover when its my turn to pick..

Most teams at least have something to offer, and you should end up with a pretty good player in the draft.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 14, 2013, 05:27:28 PM
Me picks Memphis Grizzlies: Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 05:33:06 PM
Me picks Memphis Grizzlies: Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph

Nice pick. Gasol and Randolph are a solid core.  Now lets see if you try to run a them a little less cheaply than the real owner.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 14, 2013, 05:33:26 PM
Me picks Memphis Grizzlies: Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph

Nice  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 05:53:18 PM
Me picks Memphis Grizzlies: Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph

Nice pick. Gasol and Randolph are a solid core.  Now lets see if you try to run a them a little less cheaply than the real owner.

Yeah, top five center and a top five power forward. Strong interior foundation to build a team around.

I think with a pick in the middle of the first round, Memphis should be able to get a strong perimeter guy to go with their interior duo. Strong chance to build a very strong team.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 14, 2013, 05:55:01 PM
Westbrook available for the right price
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 05:56:05 PM
ANyone know what the deal with BleeGreen is?  Has he/she still not picked?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 06:00:51 PM
"Who"  check your pm
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: celticpride07 on February 14, 2013, 06:20:52 PM
Send me a PM if your interested in the 1st pick of the draft. Won't come cheap though :)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 14, 2013, 06:40:01 PM
Send me a PM if your interested in the 1st pick of the draft. Won't come cheap though :)

ill take a flyer
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 14, 2013, 07:16:23 PM
bleedgreen?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 07:47:58 PM
BleedGreen  check your PM
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 14, 2013, 08:44:52 PM
Sorry guys I screwed the pooch..planned on doing this on my phone and it's not cooperating. Is there a place I can review the rules for a minute?

You can skip me if I'm being a complete jackass lol
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 14, 2013, 08:45:47 PM
Sorry guys I screwed the pooch..planned on doing this on my phone and it's not cooperating. Is there a place I can review the rules for a minute?

You can skip me if I'm being a complete jackass lol

Just pick a team and two players that you would rebuild your roster around (from said team)... make sure said team is not picked yet
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 08:46:26 PM
Sorry guys I screwed the pooch..planned on doing this on my phone and it's not cooperating. Is there a place I can review the rules for a minute?

You can skip me if I'm being a complete jackass lol

I'll take your pick off your hand in exchange for mine (2 spots lower and not due until 10:30 am tomorrow) if you like.

Just to be clear, we would only be exchanging draft spots for the francise draft, not the player draft.  I would throw in an extra 4th round pick though.  I will have an extra 4th rounder as soon as I pick my team.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 14, 2013, 08:49:21 PM
Sorry guys I screwed the pooch..planned on doing this on my phone and it's not cooperating. Is there a place I can review the rules for a minute?

You can skip me if I'm being a complete jackass lol

You can make your pick now
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 08:50:31 PM
Sorry guys I screwed the pooch..planned on doing this on my phone and it's not cooperating. Is there a place I can review the rules for a minute?

You can skip me if I'm being a complete jackass lol

Your pick is the final pick for the day. So there is no rush.

Here is the up to date board of who has been picked so far



Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18 OKC Thunder:  Durant, Westbrook
10:30am slamtheking Miami Heat: Lebron, Bosh
11:00am. CelticFan9 San Antonio Spurs: Duncan, Parker
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe Detroit Pistons: Monroe, Drummond
12:00pm nickagneta LA Lakers:  Kobe, Howard
12:30pm Evantime34 LA Clippers: Chris Paul, Blake Griffindor
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989 PICK ANY TIME
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan    NY Knicks: Carmelo and Chandler,
2:00pm. StartOrien  Boston Celtics:  Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
2:30pm. snively   Houston: Harden and Asik.
3:00pm. jgod213 Indiana Pacers: Paul George & Roy Hibbert
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking Portland Trailblazers: LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard
4:00pm  IndeedProceed Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson
4:30pm  CelticConcourse Memphis Grizzlies Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph

So those teams are all gone. You can pick anyone else.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 14, 2013, 08:54:50 PM
Sorry guys I screwed the pooch..planned on doing this on my phone and it's not cooperating. Is there a place I can review the rules for a minute?

You can skip me if I'm being a complete jackass lol

Your pick is the final pick for the day. So there is no rush.

Here is the up to date board of who has been picked so far



Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18 OKC Thunder:  Durant, Westbrook
10:30am slamtheking Miami Heat: Lebron, Bosh
11:00am. CelticFan9 San Antonio Spurs: Duncan, Parker
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe Detroit Pistons: Monroe, Drummond
12:00pm nickagneta LA Lakers:  Kobe, Howard
12:30pm Evantime34 LA Clippers: Chris Paul, Blake Griffindor
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989 PICK ANY TIME
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan    NY Knicks: Carmelo and Chandler,
2:00pm. StartOrien  Boston Celtics:  Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
2:30pm. snively   Houston: Harden and Asik.
3:00pm. jgod213 Indiana Pacers: Paul George & Roy Hibbert
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking Portland Trailblazers: LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard
4:00pm  IndeedProceed Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson
4:30pm  CelticConcourse Memphis Grizzlies Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph

So those teams are all gone. You can pick anyone else.

Since there is no rush, is there a place I can re-read the rules? Just want to make sure I understand this before making any trades/selections
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 08:57:31 PM
Sorry guys I screwed the pooch..planned on doing this on my phone and it's not cooperating. Is there a place I can review the rules for a minute?

You can skip me if I'm being a complete jackass lol

Your pick is the final pick for the day. So there is no rush.

Here is the up to date board of who has been picked so far



Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18 OKC Thunder:  Durant, Westbrook
10:30am slamtheking Miami Heat: Lebron, Bosh
11:00am. CelticFan9 San Antonio Spurs: Duncan, Parker
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe Detroit Pistons: Monroe, Drummond
12:00pm nickagneta LA Lakers:  Kobe, Howard
12:30pm Evantime34 LA Clippers: Chris Paul, Blake Griffindor
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989 PICK ANY TIME
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan    NY Knicks: Carmelo and Chandler,
2:00pm. StartOrien  Boston Celtics:  Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
2:30pm. snively   Houston: Harden and Asik.
3:00pm. jgod213 Indiana Pacers: Paul George & Roy Hibbert
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking Portland Trailblazers: LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard
4:00pm  IndeedProceed Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson
4:30pm  CelticConcourse Memphis Grizzlies Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph

So those teams are all gone. You can pick anyone else.

Since there is no rush, is there a place I can re-read the rules? Just want to make sure I understand this before making any trades/selections

Yeah, here you go:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62565.0
and
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=44108.msg909928#msg909928

I think this should answer any questions you have. If you have any other questions, just ask. There is normally someone around who is happy to answer.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 14, 2013, 08:59:39 PM
Sorry guys I screwed the pooch..planned on doing this on my phone and it's not cooperating. Is there a place I can review the rules for a minute?

You can skip me if I'm being a complete jackass lol

Your pick is the final pick for the day. So there is no rush.

Here is the up to date board of who has been picked so far



Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18 OKC Thunder:  Durant, Westbrook
10:30am slamtheking Miami Heat: Lebron, Bosh
11:00am. CelticFan9 San Antonio Spurs: Duncan, Parker
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe Detroit Pistons: Monroe, Drummond
12:00pm nickagneta LA Lakers:  Kobe, Howard
12:30pm Evantime34 LA Clippers: Chris Paul, Blake Griffindor
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989 PICK ANY TIME
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan    NY Knicks: Carmelo and Chandler,
2:00pm. StartOrien  Boston Celtics:  Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
2:30pm. snively   Houston: Harden and Asik.
3:00pm. jgod213 Indiana Pacers: Paul George & Roy Hibbert
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking Portland Trailblazers: LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard
4:00pm  IndeedProceed Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson
4:30pm  CelticConcourse Memphis Grizzlies Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph

So those teams are all gone. You can pick anyone else.

Since there is no rush, is there a place I can re-read the rules? Just want to make sure I understand this before making any trades/selections

Yeah, here you go:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=62565.0

I think this should answer any questions you have. If you have any other questions, just ask. There is normally someone around who is happy to answer.

Thank you..much appreciated
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 14, 2013, 09:07:02 PM
Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 09:08:19 PM
Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio

Ok, good pick.  I think you'll do well with that combo.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 14, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio

Ok, good pick.  I think you'll do well with that combo.

Thought about Love and Pek but I have a mancrush on Rubio lol
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 14, 2013, 09:13:49 PM
Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio

Ok, good pick.  I think you'll do well with that combo.

Thought about Love and Pek but I have a mancrush on Rubio lol

You should of went with pek andd rubio as love is out (unless he is almost coming back)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 09:15:34 PM
Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio

Ok, good pick.  I think you'll do well with that combo.

Thought about Love and Pek but I have a mancrush on Rubio lol

You should of went with pek andd rubio as love is out (unless he is almost coming back)
Kevin Love is scheduled back early to mid March.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 09:17:05 PM
Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio

Ok, good pick.  I think you'll do well with that combo.

Thought about Love and Pek but I have a mancrush on Rubio lol

You should of went with pek andd rubio as love is out (unless he is almost coming back)

Either way, with Rubio in the fold it's more of a "for the future" pick.  Not sure it's strong enough of a core to "win now" regardless.

I do believe Love will be back before the end of the season though.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 14, 2013, 09:21:46 PM
Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio

Ok, good pick.  I think you'll do well with that combo.

Thought about Love and Pek but I have a mancrush on Rubio lol

You should of went with pek andd rubio as love is out (unless he is almost coming back)

Either way, with Rubio in the fold it's more of a "for the future" pick.  Not sure it's strong enough of a core to "win now" regardless.

I do believe Love will be back before the end of the season though.

Yea Love just recently started practicing again. Certainly thinking for the future but I think I can definitely put some solid scorers on this team with a defensive minded center and make it more than competetive
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 14, 2013, 09:25:03 PM
Yea, Timberwolves would've been me if Memphis weren't available xD

I should make a all-traditional-bigs team! Old-school style!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 14, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Willing to move bradley and kg for a franchise to be picked plus a first
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 14, 2013, 09:35:37 PM
Who are you picking today or tomorrow just wondering thanks :)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 14, 2013, 09:37:15 PM
Willing to move bradley and kg for a franchise to be picked plus a first

I announced yesterday, but franchises can only be swapped straight up.  No extra assets.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 14, 2013, 09:38:12 PM
Who are you picking today or tomorrow just wondering thanks :)
I don't know. It would probably be late if I do.

I missed the first hour or two of today's draft so I might do it tonight since everyone from today has picked now.

Not sure which team to take yet though.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 14, 2013, 09:40:20 PM
Updated list of picks from day 1

Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18 OKC Thunder:  Durant, Westbrook
10:30am slamtheking Miami Heat: Lebron, Bosh
11:00am. CelticFan9 San Antonio Spurs: Duncan, Parker
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe Detroit Pistons: Monroe, Drummond
12:00pm nickagneta LA Lakers:  Kobe, Howard
12:30pm Evantime34 LA Clippers: Chris Paul, Blake Griffindor
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989 Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Love & Ricky Rubio
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan    NY Knicks: Carmelo and Chandler,
2:00pm. StartOrien  Boston Celtics:  Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
2:30pm. snively   Houston: Harden and Asik.
3:00pm. jgod213 Indiana Pacers: Paul George & Roy Hibbert
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking Portland Trailblazers: LaMarcus Aldridge & Damian Lillard
4:00pm  IndeedProceed Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson
4:30pm  CelticConcourse Memphis Grizzlies: Marc Gasol & Zach Randolph
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 14, 2013, 09:42:52 PM
Dang. Rubio and Love is a good combo. Was hoping they'd slip.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 14, 2013, 09:49:45 PM
Dang. Rubio and Love is a good combo. Was hoping they'd slip.

I was about to take it, but who knows? Injuries :#
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 14, 2013, 09:57:03 PM
Dang. Rubio and Love is a good combo. Was hoping they'd slip.

I was about to take it, but who knows? Injuries :#

True. But when healthy, a Rubio/Love duo is a playoff team.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 14, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
Dang. Rubio and Love is a good combo. Was hoping they'd slip.

I was about to take it, but who knows? Injuries :#

True. But when healthy, a Rubio/Love duo is a playoff team.

It could be an 8th seed ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 14, 2013, 10:28:04 PM
Dang. Rubio and Love is a good combo. Was hoping they'd slip.

I was about to take it, but who knows? Injuries :#

True. But when healthy, a Rubio/Love duo is a playoff team.

It all depends on what team you build.around it
It could be an 8th seed ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 14, 2013, 10:30:31 PM
Like the Timberwolves selection, were my sleeper.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 11:22:10 PM
Thought hard on T-Wolves but if you're making a 'next year only' pick, they seem the less obvious choice.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 14, 2013, 11:22:53 PM
Pretty much the most exciting teams are gone now. The next few picks would be very interesting.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 14, 2013, 11:39:00 PM
Pretty much the most exciting teams are gone now. The next few picks would be very interesting.

Disagree, disagree, disagree. There are (by my count), two sleeping giants, and one team that is a high impact player away from a contender in waiting. If someone wants to go young, I'm open to switching out the cavs for a yet unpicked franchise.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 14, 2013, 11:51:17 PM
I think there a half dozen duos still out there I'd be happy to build around.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 12:07:08 AM
I think there a half dozen duos still out there I'd be happy to build around.

I still haven't forgiven you yet. We ain't buddies, we ain't partners, and we gosh darn sure ain't friends. Steal my blazers? I will steal all yours picks for the rest of the draft! All of them!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 12:10:59 AM
I think there a half dozen duos still out there I'd be happy to build around.

I still haven't forgiven you yet. We ain't buddies, we ain't partners, and we gosh darn sure ain't friends. Steal my blazers? I will steal all yours picks for the rest of the draft! All of them!

Hey calm down there buddy. ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 15, 2013, 12:21:50 AM
I think there a half dozen duos still out there I'd be happy to build around.

I still haven't forgiven you yet. We ain't buddies, we ain't partners, and we gosh darn sure ain't friends. Steal my blazers? I will steal all yours picks for the rest of the draft! All of them!

Oh, I know. I knew it right when the draft order got posted.

But we'll heckle the everliving crap out of you while you do it:

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAbAdGjMlMezIKFLOE7zxtfy_V8Ae7kY6XNmDOrayZzLkT54St)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 12:24:45 AM
I think there a half dozen duos still out there I'd be happy to build around.

I still haven't forgiven you yet. We ain't buddies, we ain't partners, and we gosh darn sure ain't friends. Steal my blazers? I will steal all yours picks for the rest of the draft! All of them!

Hey calm down there buddy. ;D

I'm not your buddy, GUY.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 12:27:02 AM
I really am his buddy, but man, I love that Southpark exchange in an unholy way. If anyone calls me buddy, that's my response.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 12:29:31 AM
Also if for any reason should be presented where I can say, "If someone asks if you are a God, you say YES!!" I might just call it quits right there. Go somewhere quiet and raise marionberries. For pancakes.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 04:28:15 AM
Pretty much the most exciting teams are gone now. The next few picks would be very interesting.

Disagree, disagree, disagree. There are (by my count), two sleeping giants, and one team that is a high impact player away from a contender in waiting. If someone wants to go young, I'm open to switching out the cavs for a yet unpicked franchise.

Gee, thanks. My bluff didn't work because of this...
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 05:38:08 AM
I have the first pick of today's round. So I'll get things started nice and early and go with

New Orleans Hornets with Eric Gordon and Anthony Davis as my keepers.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 06:13:18 AM
I have the first pick of today's round. So I'll get things started nice and early and go with

New Orleans Hornets with Eric Gordon and Anthony Davis as my keepers.

Great pick.

I wanted them as well. Wasnt optimistic that they would drop to me anyways.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 06:39:40 AM
I have the first pick of today's round. So I'll get things started nice and early and go with

New Orleans Hornets with Eric Gordon and Anthony Davis as my keepers.

If I didn't pick the T'wolves, this was my second choice
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 07:01:22 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 07:07:26 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 07:15:46 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.

Why do you say that? Lol
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 07:23:36 AM
KGs Knees you can pick now iff you want

Has anyone seen salt lover?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 07:27:37 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.

Why do you say that? Lol

That's the name of the game. Other GM's would find any possible ways to argue that your team is not the best. Injuries are the main weapon. Especially when you get players that are injured prone.

With that in mind, Eric Gordon will miss a ton of games Who, you should have not picked him along with A.Davis.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 08:02:05 AM
There are two teams that could be this years Spurs.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 08:06:12 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.

Why do you say that? Lol

That's the name of the game. Other GM's would find any possible ways to argue that your team is not the best. Injuries are the main weapon. Especially when you get players that are injured prone.

With that in mind, Eric Gordon will miss a ton of games Who, you should have not picked him along with A.Davis.

I don't think mild ankle sprains for somebody that doesnt have a history of ankle sprains is an issue.  I think somebody that has missed more games than they have played over the past 3 years has injuries come into play in this game.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 15, 2013, 08:16:59 AM
I have the first pick of today's round. So I'll get things started nice and early and go with

New Orleans Hornets with Eric Gordon and Anthony Davis as my keepers.

Edit: sorry no team names
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 08:17:52 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.

Why do you say that? Lol

That's the name of the game. Other GM's would find any possible ways to argue that your team is not the best. Injuries are the main weapon. Especially when you get players that are injured prone.

With that in mind, Eric Gordon will miss a ton of games Who, you should have not picked him along with A.Davis.

I don't think mild ankle sprains for somebody that doesnt have a history of ankle sprains is an issue. I think somebody that has missed more games than they have played over the past 3 years has injuries come into play in this game.

It was an issue last year for a player not to be named. Man, I fought long and hard to defend that.  ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 08:19:52 AM
I have the first pick of today's round. So I'll get things started nice and early and go with

New Orleans Hornets with Eric Gordon and Anthony Davis as my keepers.

I'm stunned you didn't go with the s, Who.  I thought for sure they would've been picked yesterday.

I think you cant say team name or players so please edit it thanks
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 08:23:18 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.

Why do you say that? Lol

That's the name of the game. Other GM's would find any possible ways to argue that your team is not the best. Injuries are the main weapon. Especially when you get players that are injured prone.

With that in mind, Eric Gordon will miss a ton of games Who, you should have not picked him along with A.Davis.

I don't think mild ankle sprains for somebody that doesnt have a history of ankle sprains is an issue. I think somebody that has missed more games than they have played over the past 3 years has injuries come into play in this game.

It was an issue last year for a player not to be named. Man, I fought long and hard to defend that.  ;D

You're not talking about a certain 7' tall Australian, are you?  His injury concerns were pretty valid.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 08:32:06 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.

Why do you say that? Lol

That's the name of the game. Other GM's would find any possible ways to argue that your team is not the best. Injuries are the main weapon. Especially when you get players that are injured prone.

With that in mind, Eric Gordon will miss a ton of games Who, you should have not picked him along with A.Davis.

I don't think mild ankle sprains for somebody that doesnt have a history of ankle sprains is an issue. I think somebody that has missed more games than they have played over the past 3 years has injuries come into play in this game.

It was an issue last year for a player not to be named. Man, I fought long and hard to defend that.  ;D

You're not talking about a certain 7' tall Australian, are you?  His injury concerns were pretty valid.

Yea those were valid as he has a long history
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 08:34:12 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.

Why do you say that? Lol

That's the name of the game. Other GM's would find any possible ways to argue that your team is not the best. Injuries are the main weapon. Especially when you get players that are injured prone.

With that in mind, Eric Gordon will miss a ton of games Who, you should have not picked him along with A.Davis.

I don't think mild ankle sprains for somebody that doesnt have a history of ankle sprains is an issue. I think somebody that has missed more games than they have played over the past 3 years has injuries come into play in this game.

It was an issue last year for a player not to be named. Man, I fought long and hard to defend that.  ;D

You're not talking about a certain 7' tall Australian, are you?  His injury concerns were pretty valid.

Yea those were valid as he has a long history

And has been on the bench for most of the year in my fantasy league  :(
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2013, 08:39:58 AM
just curious, if we want to select a player that's not active in the NBA, can we do that and if so, can we sign them for the vet min?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 15, 2013, 08:42:22 AM
just curious, if we want to select a player that's not active in the NBA, can we do that and if so, can we sign them for the vet min?


If he is a FA just sitting out there, sure.



But if the player is retired or playing overseas, that's where they are in this game.  You would just own the rights. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 08:46:55 AM
I think there a half dozen duos still out there I'd be happy to build around.

I still haven't forgiven you yet. We ain't buddies, we ain't partners, and we gosh darn sure ain't friends. Steal my blazers? I will steal all yours picks for the rest of the draft! All of them!

Oh, I know. I knew it right when the draft order got posted.

But we'll heckle the everliving crap out of you while you do it:

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAbAdGjMlMezIKFLOE7zxtfy_V8Ae7kY6XNmDOrayZzLkT54St)

That's me on the left or is it the right?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2013, 08:47:17 AM
just curious, if we want to select a player that's not active in the NBA, can we do that and if so, can we sign them for the vet min?


If he is a FA just sitting out there, sure.



But if the player is retired or playing overseas, that's where they are in this game.  You would just own the rights.
Thanks
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2013, 08:48:25 AM
just curious, if we want to select a player that's not active in the NBA, can we do that and if so, can we sign them for the vet min?
I thought Roy said "market rate". A lot of players overseas would command a lot more than the minimum, especially if they are a FA (don't have a European contract)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 08:50:26 AM
just curious, if we want to select a player that's not active in the NBA, can we do that and if so, can we sign them for the vet min?
I thought Roy said "market rate". A lot of players overseas would command a lot more than the minimum, especially if they are a FA (don't have a European contract)

Yeah.

If you're signing a free agent, I will determine the salary.  PM me, or ask publicly.  Most free agents will get the vet minimum, but at least one I can think of would command more than that.

For players currently under contract overseas, you can acquire their "rights".  However, that player won't be playing for your team this year, and thus wouldn't count against your cap.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 09:00:41 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.

Why do you say that? Lol

That's the name of the game. Other GM's would find any possible ways to argue that your team is not the best. Injuries are the main weapon. Especially when you get players that are injured prone.

With that in mind, Eric Gordon will miss a ton of games Who, you should have not picked him along with A.Davis.

I don't think mild ankle sprains for somebody that doesnt have a history of ankle sprains is an issue. I think somebody that has missed more games than they have played over the past 3 years has injuries come into play in this game.

It was an issue last year for a player not to be named. Man, I fought long and hard to defend that.  ;D

You're not talking about a certain 7' tall Australian, are you?  His injury concerns were pretty valid.

But his injuries are non recurring. And yet I got killed by everybody with it. He's being productive now isnt he? Missed games and all.

Injuries are a big target in this game. You got a certain guy on your team that gets injured a lot, you might wanna do your homework on how to defend him.

I sure as heck tried. LOL
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 09:05:19 AM
Not sure I understand the injuries. Are we assuming its a perfect world and everybody is healthy? Or are we going by real life?

No, if your player is injured they will kill you for that. Injuries matter in this game. Heck, a mild sprain ankle would be a career ending injury in this game to be honest. LOL

Trust me, I know.

Why do you say that? Lol

That's the name of the game. Other GM's would find any possible ways to argue that your team is not the best. Injuries are the main weapon. Especially when you get players that are injured prone.

With that in mind, Eric Gordon will miss a ton of games Who, you should have not picked him along with A.Davis.

I don't think mild ankle sprains for somebody that doesnt have a history of ankle sprains is an issue. I think somebody that has missed more games than they have played over the past 3 years has injuries come into play in this game.

It was an issue last year for a player not to be named. Man, I fought long and hard to defend that.  ;D

You're not talking about a certain 7' tall Australian, are you?  His injury concerns were pretty valid.

But his injuries are non recurring. And yet I got killed by everybody with it. He's being productive now isnt he? Missed games and all.

Injuries are a big target in this game. You got a certain guy on your team that gets injured a lot, you might wanna do your homework on how to defend him.

I sure as heck tried. LOL

Bogut has provent that we were all right about him.  He has missed the majority of the season and is not playing up to his non-injured level. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 09:05:19 AM
But his injuries are non recurring. And yet I got killed by everybody with it. He's being productive now isnt he? Missed games and all.

Well, he's still not playing in back-to-backs, and has played 10 games so far.  I can't knock anybody who didn't have faith in him to have a healthy season.

Unfortunately, I think people are going to be saying the same think about AV next year.  He just seems prone to a lot of freak injuries.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2013, 09:07:18 AM
But his injuries are non recurring. And yet I got killed by everybody with it. He's being productive now isnt he? Missed games and all.

Well, he's still not playing in back-to-backs, and has played 10 games so far.  I can't knock anybody who didn't have faith in him to have a healthy season.

Unfortunately, I think people are going to be saying the same think about AV next year.  He just seems prone to a lot of freak injuries.
Haven't they all been his legs until the recent blood clot? (which was from surgery on his leg)

So many leg injuries in a big man unfortunately don't usually go away.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 09:10:39 AM
But his injuries are non recurring. And yet I got killed by everybody with it. He's being productive now isnt he? Missed games and all.

Well, he's still not playing in back-to-backs, and has played 10 games so far.  I can't knock anybody who didn't have faith in him to have a healthy season.

Unfortunately, I think people are going to be saying the same think about AV next year.  He just seems prone to a lot of freak injuries.
Haven't they all been his legs until the recent blood clot? (which was from surgery on his leg)

So many leg injuries in a big man unfortunately don't usually go away.

No, Varejao missed most of last year with a broken wrist.  Before that it was his (left) ankle, and this year a (right) quad / hernia / blood clot.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 09:11:11 AM
But his injuries are non recurring. And yet I got killed by everybody with it. He's being productive now isnt he? Missed games and all.

Well, he's still not playing in back-to-backs, and has played 10 games so far.  I can't knock anybody who didn't have faith in him to have a healthy season.

Unfortunately, I think people are going to be saying the same think about AV next year.  He just seems prone to a lot of freak injuries.
Haven't they all been his legs until the recent blood clot? (which was from surgery on his leg)

So many leg injuries in a big man unfortunately don't usually go away.

No, Varejao missed most of last year with a broken wrist.  Before that it was his ankle, and this year a quad / blood clot.

I blame it on all the Perm's
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: jgod213 on February 15, 2013, 09:48:20 AM
(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu105/S_Brat/PaulGeorge-8.jpg)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2013, 09:50:35 AM
But his injuries are non recurring. And yet I got killed by everybody with it. He's being productive now isnt he? Missed games and all.

Well, he's still not playing in back-to-backs, and has played 10 games so far.  I can't knock anybody who didn't have faith in him to have a healthy season.

Unfortunately, I think people are going to be saying the same think about AV next year.  He just seems prone to a lot of freak injuries.
Haven't they all been his legs until the recent blood clot? (which was from surgery on his leg)

So many leg injuries in a big man unfortunately don't usually go away.

No, Varejao missed most of last year with a broken wrist.  Before that it was his (left) ankle, and this year a (right) quad / hernia / blood clot.
I forgot his wrist injury.

09-10 it was his bad hamstrings that prevented him from playing nearly as much as they'd have liked.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order
Post by: wdleehi on February 15, 2013, 09:51:50 AM

The time listed is when both your teams and keepers are due by.

Thursday, February 14:

10:00am: TheTruthFot18 OKC Thunder:  Durant, Westbrook
10:30am slamtheking Miami Heat: Lebron, Bosh
11:00am. CelticFan9 San Antonio Spurs: Duncan, Parker
11:30am. KCAtTheStripe Detroit Pistons: Monroe, Drummond
12:00pm nickagneta LA Lakers:  Kobe, Howard
12:30pm Evantime34 LA Clippers: Chris Paul, Blake Griffindor
1:00pm: BleedGreen1989 Minnesota Twolves: Love, Rubio
1:30pm: Fairweatherfan    NY Knicks: Carmelo and Chandler,
2:00pm. StartOrien  Boston Celtics:  Kevin Garnett & Avery Bradley
2:30pm. snively   Houston: Harden and Asik.
3:00pm. jgod213 Indiana Pacers: Paul George & Roy Hibbert
3:30pm. Lucky17 / RebusRanking Portland Trailblazers: LaMarcus Aldridge and Damian Lillard
4:00pm  IndeedProceed Cleveland Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson
4:30pm  CelticConcourse Memphis Grizzlies: Randolph, Gasol

Friday, February 15:

10:00am: Who New Orleans Hornets: Davis, Gordon
10:30am: KGsKnee
11:00am: Salt Lover
11:30am: wdleehi
12:00pm: Yoki_IsTheName
12:30pm: ronaldo943
1:00pm: Atzar
1:30pm: sofutomygaha
2:00pm: AB_Celtic
2:30pm: Rondo2287
3:00pm: BigAlTheFuture
3:30pm: Celtic Fan Forever
4:00pm Edgar
4:30pm celticpride07

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 09:57:59 AM
Brooklyn's Finest

http://www.youtube.com/v/P_DLD7OMUns?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 09:59:13 AM
The Brooklyn Nets select Deron Williams & Brook Lopez
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 10:04:29 AM
I have no idea if salt lover intends to participate.  He was listed as a "maybe", and hasn't gotten back to me yet.  I figured I'd save him a slot, but if there are any replacement GMs out there who would like a team, his can probably be yours.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 10:06:58 AM
The Brooklyn Nets select Deron Williams & Brook Lopez

A bad value that makes a sneaky good pick, much like the Lakers. I was hoping they'd fall
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 10:08:01 AM
The Brooklyn Nets select Deron Williams & Brook Lopez

A bad value that makes a sneaky good pick, much like the Lakers. I was hoping they'd fall

The bomb hasn't yet dropped...more to come!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 10:08:04 AM
Roy, after the keepers are selected, are you going to maintain a player pool for this?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 10:11:07 AM
The Brooklyn Nets select Deron Williams & Brook Lopez

A bad value that makes a sneaky good pick, much like the Lakers. I was hoping they'd fall

The bomb hasn't yet dropped...more to come!

OMG you're going to take Jeff Green in the first round.

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/b/b6/Kirk.gif)
GREEEEEEEEEENN!!!!



Quick, CelticsConcourse, you need to make an offer
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 10:11:37 AM
Roy, after the keepers are selected, are you going to maintain a player pool for this?

Yeah.  I can't promise that it will be updated frequently, but there will be a list of players posted on the front page of this thread.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 10:14:30 AM
I have a feeling we are going to play waiting game with salt lover as he hasnt been active all thiss time
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 10:16:13 AM
Hopefully im wrong
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 15, 2013, 10:31:41 AM
I started this morning with a list of three teams and I still have three teams. 


My lunch ends around 11 (class starts at 11:05)  I will make my pick at that point whether or not salty shows up.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 10:31:43 AM
Saltlover, on the clock.  Still no sign?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 10:40:37 AM
Ill probably be making my pick around 12:01 and 12:10 as im at school
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 10:42:39 AM
I started this morning with a list of three teams and I still have three teams. 


My lunch ends around 11 (class starts at 11:05)  I will make my pick at that point whether or not salty shows up.

I can think of at least one team that has suprisingly fallen imo
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 10:43:59 AM
There are rumors of a pending deal between Brooklyn and the Lakers.  Awaiting confirmation, but feel free to speculate.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 10:44:52 AM
I started this morning with a list of three teams and I still have three teams. 


My lunch ends around 11 (class starts at 11:05)  I will make my pick at that point whether or not salty shows up.

I can think of at least one team that has suprisingly fallen imo

Probably the same team I am thinking of.  Hard to determine whether to build for future with them or hope their injured star returns soon.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 10:44:54 AM
Gomesfan, I see you lurking up there.  If you want saltlover's team, it's all yours.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 10:46:09 AM
There are rumors of a pending deal between Brooklyn and the Lakers.  Awaiting confirmation, but feel free to speculate.

You can't trade players at this point right?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 10:46:44 AM
Dwight for brook and a pick
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 10:47:16 AM
There are rumors of a pending deal between Brooklyn and the Lakers.  Awaiting confirmation, but feel free to speculate.

You can't trade players at this point right?

You can. 

You can deal players, or picks, or both.

You can swap franchises straight up.

The only thing you can't do is combine picks or players with a franchise swap.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 15, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
Just letting everyone know I probably won't be able to make my pick until about 3:30 which is when it's due, I just don't wanna be the guy to hold this up (hectic schedule today).
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 10:48:54 AM
There are rumors of a pending deal between Brooklyn and the Lakers.  Awaiting confirmation, but feel free to speculate.

source?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 10:49:30 AM
There are rumors of a pending deal between Brooklyn and the Lakers.  Awaiting confirmation, but feel free to speculate.

source?

One of the GMs.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 10:52:41 AM
There are rumors of a pending deal between Brooklyn and the Lakers.  Awaiting confirmation, but feel free to speculate.

source?

One of the GMs.

You see, this is the problem with social media. A rumor gets started citing unspecified sources and then it spirals out of control. I think you just want to see your name in print, Mr. H.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 10:54:24 AM
You, too, BFM.  If you want a team, it's not too late.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 11:02:02 AM
Just letting everyone know I probably won't be able to make my pick until about 3:30 which is when it's due, I just don't wanna be the guy to hold this up (hectic schedule today).

If you want to leave a list of teams, I'll make it for you.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 11:03:56 AM
Just saw this on twitter

Quote
KJC2287‏@KJC2287

@celticsblog Rumor has it the Lakers/Nets are discussing a diwght for Lopez swap in the pick II draft. #breaking
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 11:05:18 AM
Just saw this on twitter

Quote
KJC2287‏@KJC2287

@celticsblog Rumor has it the Lakers/Nets are discussing a diwght for Lopez swap in the pick II draft. #breaking

Please let somebody, somewhere, mistake this for a real-life rumor haha.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 15, 2013, 11:06:58 AM
I will take GS with Curry and Klay Thompson
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 11:07:28 AM
Just saw this on twitter

Quote
KJC2287‏@KJC2287

@celticsblog Rumor has it the Lakers/Nets are discussing a diwght for Lopez swap in the pick II draft. #breaking

Please let somebody, somewhere, mistake this for a real-life rumor haha.

RETWEET!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 11:08:00 AM
I will take GS with Curry and Klay Thompson

Great pick. GS fell a while, I think.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 11:10:57 AM
Just saw this on twitter

Quote
KJC2287‏@KJC2287

@celticsblog Rumor has it the Lakers/Nets are discussing a diwght for Lopez swap in the pick II draft. #breaking

I deny all speculation there is a Howard for Lopez trade in the works.  8)

Who leaked this?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 11:11:35 AM
In the downtime.  Check out the highlights of a one star recruit out of florida who is making an impact for BC.  Kid has pogo sticks for legs, som good blocks/Dunks. 

He posterized one of the plumlee's the other day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U41a_50ADYE&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 11:16:32 AM
Yoki is up, then ronaldo
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 11:16:35 AM
I will take GS with Curry and Klay Thompson

Nice!  That means David Lee is available.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 11:18:27 AM
I will take GS with Curry and Klay Thompson

Nice!  That means David Lee is available.

SHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 15, 2013, 11:20:31 AM
In the downtime.  Check out the highlights of a one star recruit out of florida who is making an impact for BC.  Kid has pogo sticks for legs, som good blocks/Dunks. 

He posterized one of the plumlee's the other day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U41a_50ADYE&feature=youtu.be
He got a lot better from Freshman to Sophomore year. In his junior year I expect him to develop his handle so that he can use his athleticism to attack the basket.

They have been decent this year and easily could have won three or four more games in conference. I see them as finally breaking through for the tourney next year.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 11:26:22 AM
Just saw this on twitter

Quote
KJC2287‏@KJC2287

@celticsblog Rumor has it the Lakers/Nets are discussing a diwght for Lopez swap in the pick II draft. #breaking

I deny all speculation there is a Howard for Lopez trade in the works.  8)

Who leaked this?


Dwight Howard on First Take this morning- "I am a nickagneta for life, but I understand that pick2 is a business."
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 11:28:42 AM
Quote
@celticsblog Dwight Howard has reportedly demanded a trade from nickagneta. #breaking
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 11:34:04 AM
I will take GS with Curry and Klay Thompson

Great pick. GS fell a while, I think.

That's the team I was referring to earlier. Suprised he took Thompson over Lee
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 11:35:42 AM
I will take GS with Curry and Klay Thompson

Great pick. GS fell a while, I think.

That's the team I was referring to earlier. Suprised he took Thompson over Lee

Same. He's having a great season.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 11:37:59 AM
Confirmed trade:

Lakers send Kobe Bryant and 4.24

Nets send Deron Williams and 3.13


If those draft picks need to be adjusted due to a dropped GM, we'll adjust it.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 11:39:17 AM
Confirmed trade:

Lakers send Kobe Bryant and 4.24

Nets send Deron Williams and 3.13


If those draft picks need to be adjusted due to a dropped GM, we'll adjust it.

No, no, no. DWIGHT wanted to go to Brooklyn, silly! You messed up your primadonnas.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 15, 2013, 11:45:03 AM
Interesting deal.  Brooklyn has the 2nd highest cap but Kobe makes a cool $10 mill more than Deron, so they might feel the squeeze later on.  Meanwhile LA can basically ignore salary throughout the process - just like the real Lakers!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 11:48:38 AM
Sorry about the delay. I am up right?

(darn laundry is everywhere)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 11:50:01 AM
Sorry about the delay. I am up right?

(darn laundry is everywhere)

Yep.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 11:50:33 AM
Dwight Howard is officially off the block.

Lakers: Cap Allowance: $99.3 million

Deron Williams              $17.18 million
Dwight Howard              $19.54 million

TOTAL:                            $36.72 million
CAP REMAINDER:        $62.58 million

Picks: 1.24, 2.24, 3.13, 3.24, 5.24, 6.24, 7.24, 8.24, 9.24, 10.24, 11.24, 12.24
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 11:54:16 AM
Thought really long and hard about this, but whatever.

I'm picking Chicago with Luol Deng and Joakim Noah as my cornerstones. I could use that extra 4 million in my cap as well.

BTW, do we send trade proposals to Commish Roy?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 15, 2013, 11:55:14 AM
Thought really long and hard about this, but whatever.

I'm picking Chicago with Luol Deng and Joakim Noah as my cornerstones. I could use that extra 4 million in my cap as well.

Great pick
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 11:56:38 AM
Thought really long and hard about this, but whatever.

I'm picking Chicago with Luol Deng and Joakim Noah as my cornerstones. I could use that extra 4 million in my cap as well.

BTW, do we send trade proposals to Commish Roy?

Boom.  And just like that, 1) Yoki has a solid foundation, and 2) Derrick Rose is draftable for future-oriented teams.

If you or any other GM wants to consult with me about a trade offer, I'll try to give candid thoughts on it.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 11:57:42 AM
Thought really long and hard about this, but whatever.

I'm picking Chicago with Luol Deng and Joakim Noah as my cornerstones. I could use that extra 4 million in my cap as well.

BTW, do we send trade proposals to Commish Roy?

You and your trade partner should both send me deals that have been agreed to.  If I'm not around, IP, wdleehi, StartOrien, and nickagneta are all assistant Commishes.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 11:58:03 AM
Group of young'ns I'm surprised to see on the board still.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 11:58:59 AM
Thought really long and hard about this, but whatever.

I'm picking Chicago with Luol Deng and Joakim Noah as my cornerstones. I could use that extra 4 million in my cap as well.

Great pick

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBhKvAae29VkdygQnRDjjXqUHWIfVQr_iAAMUeWzw5cKk0A3dV)

It was a long hard thinking if I'd go the other way, but defense wins championships so, there.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 12:00:42 PM
Ronaldooooooo!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
Ill take PHILADELPHIA 76ERS

Two keepers:
ANDREW BYNUM
JRUE HOLIDAY
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 12:02:27 PM
If you're drafting and you're thinking to yourself "I'd like to draft Dallas so I could build for the future around OJ Mayo" then shoot me a PM
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 12:03:32 PM
3 picks before me 3 teams left I would like to build around.  Hopefully one of them falls to me
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 12:03:48 PM
ATZARRRRRRR!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
Thought really long and hard about this, but whatever.

I'm picking Chicago with Luol Deng and Joakim Noah as my cornerstones. I could use that extra 4 million in my cap as well.

Great pick

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBhKvAae29VkdygQnRDjjXqUHWIfVQr_iAAMUeWzw5cKk0A3dV)

It was a long hard thinking if I'd go the other way, but defense wins championships so, there.

That picture just cracked me up lol

You better grab a go-to scorer with that duo!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 12:06:31 PM
Thought really long and hard about this, but whatever.

I'm picking Chicago with Luol Deng and Joakim Noah as my cornerstones. I could use that extra 4 million in my cap as well.

Great pick

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBhKvAae29VkdygQnRDjjXqUHWIfVQr_iAAMUeWzw5cKk0A3dV)

It was a long hard thinking if I'd go the other way, but defense wins championships so, there.

That picture just cracked me up lol

You better grab a go-to scorer with that duo!

Yeah I have too, or maybe not. I still don't know where my direction would be to be honest. I just thought these two would be giving the team a ton defensively and that's great contributions already.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 12:09:48 PM
If you're drafting and you're thinking to yourself "I'd like to draft Dallas so I could build for the future around OJ Mayo" then shoot me a PM

Could you imagine if Derek Rose, Avery Bradley and OJ Mayo were on one team? They'd be dynamite in the future!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 12:09:49 PM
Interesting deal.  Brooklyn has the 2nd highest cap but Kobe makes a cool $10 mill more than Deron, so they might feel the squeeze later on.

Yeah, I did pause for a minute because of Kobe's salary, but I believe I still have approximately $40m to spend still.

Rich people problems, you know. :P
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 12:10:22 PM
Eleven teams left:

Atlanta
Charlotte
Dallas
Denver
Milwaukee
Orlando
Phoenix
Sacramento
Toronto
Utah
Washington
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 12:11:11 PM
Eleven teams left:

Atlanta
Charlotte
Dallas
Denver
Milwaukee
Orlando
Phoenix
Sacramento
Toronto
Utah
Washington

Two teams I seriously considered at my pick STILL left. Crazy
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 12:12:26 PM
Getting anxious here... Haha
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
Interesting deal.  Brooklyn has the 2nd highest cap but Kobe makes a cool $10 mill more than Deron, so they might feel the squeeze later on.  Meanwhile LA can basically ignore salary throughout the process - just like the real Lakers!
actually, I believe the Nets are 3rd behind Miami  ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 12:17:03 PM
Anybody who hasn't drafted and is love with the T'wolves..shoot me a PM for a trade
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 12:21:43 PM
Interesting deal.  Brooklyn has the 2nd highest cap but Kobe makes a cool $10 mill more than Deron, so they might feel the squeeze later on.

Yeah, I did pause for a minute because of Kobe's salary, but I believe I still have approximately $40m to spend still.

Rich people problems, you know. :P

Meh, I'd happily pay 10 million more for Kobe than Deron.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 15, 2013, 12:21:51 PM
Interesting deal.  Brooklyn has the 2nd highest cap but Kobe makes a cool $10 mill more than Deron, so they might feel the squeeze later on.  Meanwhile LA can basically ignore salary throughout the process - just like the real Lakers!
actually, I believe the Nets are 3rd behind Miami  ;D

Very true, they've got an extra 300k to mess with. 


GS was a team I strongly considered at #8 (along with Houston and Portland).  Nice pickup for wdleehi, though Klay over Lee is a bold move.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 15, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
Not naming names but I'm very curious to see how far some of the guys who are underperforming/injured on big contracts will fall.  I think at least a couple will be available awfully late in the game.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 15, 2013, 12:24:38 PM
I will take GS with Curry and Klay Thompson

Great pick. GS fell a while, I think.

That's the team I was referring to earlier. Suprised he took Thompson over Lee

Same. He's having a great season.


Yes he is. 


But I don't see him good enough to eat 12 million right now.  And I think later on, it will be harder to trade him because I think the players we think as equal to him make less money.   


I have the backcourt to build around for 6.2 million.  I have 65.3 million left to use. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 12:24:40 PM
Ill take PHILADELPHIA 76ERS

Two keepers:
ANDREW BYNUM
JRUE HOLIDAY

Nice. If Bynum comes back healthy. This duo can be dangerous in the future.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 12:25:40 PM
Pick coming momentarily.

I have somebody in mind already, just looking through my options.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Pick coming momentarily.

I have somebody in mind already, just looking through my options.

I bet it's the Seattle Supersonics?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 12:29:51 PM
Roy,  I just checked Shamsports most recent salaries and I believe a few of the teams listed on the 1st page of this thread are slightly off.  These are the actual total salaries, not including cap holds.

Right now they have listed: Lakers @ $100.17m, Heat @ $84.18m, Nets @ $ 83.51m & Knicks @ $79.29m.



Also, has there been any official decision made on what place holder we are rounding team/player salaries to?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 12:30:13 PM
Ill take PHILADELPHIA 76ERS

Two keepers:
ANDREW BYNUM
JRUE HOLIDAY

Nice. If Bynum comes back healthy. This duo can be dangerous in the future.

i'm concerned about Bynum. I just get the feeling he doesn't really enjoy the game, and is more concerned about making sure he gets the big paycheck than being a dominant player.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 12:31:46 PM
Ill take PHILADELPHIA 76ERS

Two keepers:
ANDREW BYNUM
JRUE HOLIDAY

Nice. If Bynum comes back healthy. This duo can be dangerous in the future.

i'm concerned about Bynum. I just get the feeling he doesn't really enjoy the game, and is more concerned about making sure he gets the big paycheck than being a dominant player.

I had similar thoughts. If the sixers fell to me, I was going to take Holiday and Turner.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 12:34:12 PM
Roy,  I just checked Shamsports most recent salaries and I believe a few of the teams listed on the 1st page of this thread are slightly off.  These are the actual total salaries, not including cap holds.

Right now they have listed: Lakers @ $100.17m, Heat @ $84.18m, Nets @ $ 83.51m & Knicks @ $79.29m.



Also, has there been any official decision made on what place holder we are rounding team/player salaries to?

I got the team salaries from here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AodNvAy3ZYZmdGE3NDBqMElRUXh2REN4Q3pZRG1TU1E&gid=15

From my experience, that site tends to be a little more accurate.  So, that's where I got the budgets from. 

Salaries will still be based on shamsports, though.

In terms of salaries...  I guess just round them to the nearest ten thousand.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 12:35:24 PM
Ill take PHILADELPHIA 76ERS

Two keepers:
ANDREW BYNUM
JRUE HOLIDAY

Nice. If Bynum comes back healthy. This duo can be dangerous in the future.

i'm concerned about Bynum. I just get the feeling he doesn't really enjoy the game, and is more concerned about making sure he gets the big paycheck than being a dominant player.

I had similar thoughts. If the sixers fell to me, I was going to take Holiday and Turner.

There's a handfull of guys I personally wouldn't touch. Bynum's one of them
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 12:36:28 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.  Having to account for that is definitely a different experience.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 12:37:25 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.

Nice pick sir, they were on the list of teams I wanted as well.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 12:38:12 PM
sofutomygaha!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 12:38:34 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.

Great pick. This was one of the teams I was considering. Love these two together.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 12:39:34 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.

Nice pick sir, they were on the list of teams I wanted as well.

I love the salary of those two. So cheap, and so full of potential.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 12:40:17 PM
Roy,  I just checked Shamsports most recent salaries and I believe a few of the teams listed on the 1st page of this thread are slightly off.  These are the actual total salaries, not including cap holds.

Right now they have listed: Lakers @ $100.17m, Heat @ $84.18m, Nets @ $ 83.51m & Knicks @ $79.29m.



Also, has there been any official decision made on what place holder we are rounding team/player salaries to?

I got the team salaries from here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AodNvAy3ZYZmdGE3NDBqMElRUXh2REN4Q3pZRG1TU1E&gid=15

From my experience, that site tends to be a little more accurate.  So, that's where I got the budgets from. 

Salaries will still be based on shamsports, though.

In terms of salaries...  I guess just round them to the nearest ten thousand.

So team salaries are from one site, and player salaries from another?  Seems a little confusing but ok.  Not much difference for me anyway.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 15, 2013, 12:40:28 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.  Having to account for that is definitely a different experience.


Just don't ask David Faulk for his opinion. 


http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/agent-david-falk-slams-john-wall-washington-wizards/2013/02/14/8916545c-7614-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html


http://washington.cbslocal.com/audio/356-the-lavar-arrington-show-with-chad-dukes/segment-11-falk-comments/



Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 12:40:58 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.

Nice pick sir, they were on the list of teams I wanted as well.

I love the salary of those two. So cheap, and so full of potential.

That's what drew me to them.  Both have the talent to be among the best at their respective position, and both are also affordable in the meantime.

Surprised they lasted this long, honestly. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 12:42:22 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.

Nice pick sir, they were on the list of teams I wanted as well.

I love the salary of those two. So cheap, and so full of potential.

That's what drew me to them.  Both have the talent to be among the best at their respective position, and both are also affordable in the meantime.

Surprised they lasted this long, honestly.

Not surprised at all though.

I thought they are in the middle of the pack to late teams because John Wall still hasn't showed he can shoot consistently.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 15, 2013, 12:43:06 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 12:46:31 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried

TP  Welcome!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 12:46:36 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried

Dang it.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 15, 2013, 12:49:04 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried

Dang it.

Wow, the new kid got you eh? What a cool turn of events happening here.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 12:50:41 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried

Dang it.

Wow, the new kid got you eh? What a cool turn of events happening here.

Haha. Yeah. That was gonna be my pick.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 15, 2013, 12:51:01 PM
Gotta come out guns blazing...
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 12:51:59 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.

Nice pick sir, they were on the list of teams I wanted as well.

I love the salary of those two. So cheap, and so full of potential.

That's what drew me to them.  Both have the talent to be among the best at their respective position, and both are also affordable in the meantime.

Surprised they lasted this long, honestly.

Not surprised at all though.

I thought they are in the middle of the pack to late teams because John Wall still hasn't showed he can shoot consistently.

Agree. Not totally sold John Wall can be the star he was billed to be
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 12:54:24 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried

Dang it.

Wow, the new kid got you eh? What a cool turn of events happening here.

Haha. Yeah. That was gonna be my pick.

I've been watching the nuggets since around pick 6. One of the best values on the board.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 12:55:25 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried

Dang it.

Wow, the new kid got you eh? What a cool turn of events happening here.

Haha. Yeah. That was gonna be my pick.

I've been watching the nuggets since around pick 6. One of the best values on the board.

your pick
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 12:56:14 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.

Nice pick sir, they were on the list of teams I wanted as well.

I love the salary of those two. So cheap, and so full of potential.

That's what drew me to them.  Both have the talent to be among the best at their respective position, and both are also affordable in the meantime.

Surprised they lasted this long, honestly.

Not surprised at all though.

I thought they are in the middle of the pack to late teams because John Wall still hasn't showed he can shoot consistently.

Agree. Not totally sold John Wall can be the star he was billed to be

Not sure if i agree. The wizards have been really good since walls gotten back. If he can stay healthy i think hes a top level pg
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 12:57:05 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried

Well, everyone, I'd like you to meet my freshman year floor mate. He was going to counsel me, but then he decided screwing me over would be more fun :P
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
I've got the Kings, with Cousins and Tyreke for a mere $9.2 million
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 01:01:33 PM
Lord Tyreke and DeMarcus Gunz.

Uptown baby, uptown baby, we gets down baby, up for the crown baby
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 01:01:48 PM
I've got the Kings, with Cousins and Tyreke for a mere $9.2 million

Cousins I really like, 'Reke not so much.  Good value for the salary though.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 01:02:26 PM
I've got the Kings, with Cousins and Tyreke for a mere $9.2 million

Uh oh better get some good leaders in that locker room! Great value though in all seriousness
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 01:02:36 PM
AB_CELTIC!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 01:08:35 PM
So there will be two teams left at the end right?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 15, 2013, 01:14:30 PM
AB will pick in 15 minutes his Internet is being repaired
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 01:19:54 PM
There is still one team I'm surprised no one has taken yet
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 15, 2013, 01:22:59 PM
There is still one team I'm surprised no one has taken yet

Praying one team falls to me but I doubt it
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 01:23:04 PM
I'm taking The Washington Wizards.

My two picks are John Wall and Bradley Beal.

Tough decision... there are a few other teams that I'd love to build on, and one of them in particular has (in my opinion) more talent but also includes a contract that I don't want.  Having to account for that is definitely a different experience.


Just don't ask David Faulk for his opinion. 


http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/agent-david-falk-slams-john-wall-washington-wizards/2013/02/14/8916545c-7614-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html


http://washington.cbslocal.com/audio/356-the-lavar-arrington-show-with-chad-dukes/segment-11-falk-comments/
I read those stories yesterday. Wow!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 01:32:06 PM
Milwaukee Bucks: Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 15, 2013, 01:32:58 PM
Milwaukee Bucks: Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis
Not a big fan of those 2 together
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 01:35:46 PM
Milwaukee Bucks: Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis
Not a big fan of those 2 together

Not a big fan of them apart either.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 01:36:24 PM
Atlanta Hawks

Josh Smith and Al Horford


Salary of 25.2 is steep but the talent is good at this stage.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 01:36:49 PM
Milwaukee Bucks: Brandon Jennings, Monta Ellis
Not a big fan of those 2 together

It was a tough decision, but I realized there will be plenty of bigs to pick by the time I get to my first rounder (#6). Plus the two of them make $14M total.

Not ideal, but I'll make up for it in the draft.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 15, 2013, 01:37:30 PM
Atlanta Hawks

Josh Smith and Al Horford


Salary of 25.2 is steep but the talent is good at this stage.
Nooooooo
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 15, 2013, 01:38:28 PM
Atlanta Hawks

Josh Smith and Al Horford


Salary of 25.2 is steep but the talent is good at this stage.

Absolutely. Can't believe they lasted this long.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 01:40:39 PM
Atlanta Hawks

Josh Smith and Al Horford


Salary of 25.2 is steep but the talent is good at this stage.

Absolutely. Can't believe they lasted this long.

If Rondo can somehow trade up for the #1 pick and grab (redacted) without giving up Smith or Horford, the team goes from less than the sum of its parts into fringe contender. And Rondo has the pieces to do it.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: celticpride07 on February 15, 2013, 01:43:37 PM
I'll be drafting around 5:30 last team, can't wait to see the gems I can pick from!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 15, 2013, 01:47:56 PM
Atlanta Hawks

Josh Smith and Al Horford


Salary of 25.2 is steep but the talent is good at this stage.

Absolutely. Can't believe they lasted this long.


I thought about them, but I think we might have already seen where those two max out as a pair. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 15, 2013, 01:48:47 PM
I have to run out in 20 minutes, if Big Al doesn't pick by then is there anyone that could take a list of 2 teams for me?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
I have to run out in 20 minutes, if Big Al doesn't pick by then is there anyone that could take a list of 2 teams for me?

I can.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 01:54:28 PM
Gimme few minutes, folks.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 01:55:38 PM
Atlanta Hawks

Josh Smith and Al Horford


Salary of 25.2 is steep but the talent is good at this stage.

Absolutely. Can't believe they lasted this long.

This is why I was trying to trade down
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2013, 01:57:45 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried

TP  Welcome!
ditto.  TP for jumping into fray.  hope you enjoy the game!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 01:58:05 PM
It's interesting matching the remaining teams with the talent that will be available at the top of the first.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 02:03:57 PM
Atlanta Hawks

Josh Smith and Al Horford


Salary of 25.2 is steep but the talent is good at this stage.

Absolutely. Can't believe they lasted this long.

This was the team I was alluding to.  I had every intention of using my pick on them, but just couldn't pass up Kobe and Lopez.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 15, 2013, 02:05:09 PM
Ok sorry I just popped in for the Guy that didnt make his pick
I'm going to take the Denver Nuggets with Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried

TP  Welcome!
ditto.  TP for jumping into fray.  hope you enjoy the game!

Thanks should be fun.  Couldn't find a bulls forum with actual activity and heard this one was quite entertaining
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 02:13:18 PM
Ugh. Thought long and hard. Dallas Mavericks: Dirk Nowitzki and OJ Mayo
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 02:15:51 PM
Ugh. Thought long and hard. Dallas Mavericks: Dirk Nowitzki and OJ Mayo

That could be really good considering you have the 4th pick in the draft.  You'll get an all-star to pair with them almost assuredly.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on February 15, 2013, 02:16:15 PM
I will take Toronto with Gay and Lowry.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 15, 2013, 02:16:46 PM
Ugh. Thought long and hard. Dallas Mavericks: Dirk Nowitzki and OJ Mayo


Great pick at this point. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 15, 2013, 02:20:37 PM
I will take Toronto with Gay and Lowry.

Coupled with the early pick next round, I think this is another really good late selection.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 02:21:25 PM
2 pick remaining.  Utah, Phoenix, Charlotte & Orlando left.

Interesting
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 02:27:21 PM
Ugh. Thought long and hard. Dallas Mavericks: Dirk Nowitzki and OJ Mayo

That could be really good considering you have the 4th pick in the draft.  You'll get an all-star to pair with them almost assuredly.

Was debating between 2 teams. The other team was the raptors, who got picked right after haha
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 02:27:43 PM
Atlanta and Dallas were great late picks. I think both teams were right to drop because both needed high picks to be turned into a contender from where they currently are.

But now that they have done that, yeah, I think both squads have a great chance at putting together a dominant ball club. Very much looking forward to these two teams.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 02:28:58 PM
Atlanta and Dallas were great late picks. I think both teams were right to drop because both needed high picks to be turned into a contender from where they currently are.

But now that they have done that, yeah, I think both squads have a great chance at putting together a dominant ball club. Very much looking forward to these two teams.

Agreed
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2013, 02:29:12 PM
2 pick remaining.  Utah, Phoenix, Charlotte & Orlando left.

Interesting
Surprised one has lasted this long.  considering these will get early picks each round, I think the right pick could become a real powerhouse.  As much as being at the end of the team-picking round can seem a disadvantage, having the early draft picks can be a better situation to be in.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 02:35:25 PM
2 pick remaining.  Utah, Phoenix, Charlotte & Orlando left.

Interesting
Surprised one has lasted this long.  considering these will get early picks each round, I think the right pick could become a real powerhouse.  As much as being at the end of the team-picking round can seem a disadvantage, having the early draft picks can be a better situation to be in.

Yes indeed. That's a great value that someone can add a superstar to at the turn.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 02:38:47 PM
Did you guys know that Tristan Thompson is averaging 15 points and 10 rebounds on 52.6% shooting in just 33 MPG over the past 2 months?

Do you know who else is averaging at least 15 points, 10 rebounds, and 52.6% shooting? (its actually 14.9 and 9.9, I used those numbers in my search)

Just Dwight Howard. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 02:40:05 PM
Willing move up in the first or trade for an extra first. PM me.

Assets in sig
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 02:40:33 PM
Did you guys know that Tristan Thompson is averaging 15 points and 10 rebounds on 52.6% shooting in just 33 MPG over the past 2 months?

Do you know who else is averaging at least 15 points, 10 rebounds, and 52.6% shooting? (its actually 14.9 and 9.9, I used those numbers in my search)

Just Dwight Howard.

He is also shooting 74% when finishing at the rim with his left hand with a man within 3 feet.  This puts him at 6th in the league for guys over 6'5
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 02:42:03 PM
Willing to part with Mayo for an extra 1st. All you teams of the future out there... Hit me up
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 02:46:14 PM
Did you guys know that Tristan Thompson is averaging 15 points and 10 rebounds on 52.6% shooting in just 33 MPG over the past 2 months?

Do you know who else is averaging at least 15 points, 10 rebounds, and 52.6% shooting? (its actually 14.9 and 9.9, I used those numbers in my search)

Just Dwight Howard.

He is also shooting 74% when finishing at the rim with his left hand with a man within 3 feet.  This puts him at 6th in the league for guys over 6'5

You save those jokes for when I start breaking out real metrics. You're lucky I can't calculate TREB from my own computer
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 03:06:36 PM
There is a bunch of injured stars. I wonder if they go high in the first round or whether people lay off knowing they aren't getting anything out of them this year?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2013, 03:08:29 PM
Willing move up in the first or trade for an extra first. PM me.
I think this applies to everyone Nick  ;)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 03:09:20 PM
Did you guys know that Tristan Thompson is averaging 15 points and 10 rebounds on 52.6% shooting in just 33 MPG over the past 2 months?

Do you know who else is averaging at least 15 points, 10 rebounds, and 52.6% shooting? (its actually 14.9 and 9.9, I used those numbers in my search)

Just Dwight Howard.

He is also shooting 74% when finishing at the rim with his left hand with a man within 3 feet.  This puts him at 6th in the league for guys over 6'5

You save those jokes for when I start breaking out real metrics. You're lucky I can't calculate TREB from my own computer

Var- e- jao's bet-ter
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 03:10:01 PM
Willing move up in the first or trade for an extra first. PM me.
I think this applies to everyone Nick  ;)

Woah now, don't you dare knock me off my chair!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Edgar on February 15, 2013, 03:10:01 PM
2 pick remaining.  Utah, Phoenix, Charlotte & Orlando left.

Interesting

ty I needed this

The allmighty crotors pick is
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
Did you guys know that Tristan Thompson is averaging 15 points and 10 rebounds on 52.6% shooting in just 33 MPG over the past 2 months?

Do you know who else is averaging at least 15 points, 10 rebounds, and 52.6% shooting? (its actually 14.9 and 9.9, I used those numbers in my search)

Just Dwight Howard.

He is also shooting 74% when finishing at the rim with his left hand with a man within 3 feet.  This puts him at 6th in the league for guys over 6'5

You save those jokes for when I start breaking out real metrics. You're lucky I can't calculate TREB from my own computer

What's that? Tristan Thompson tiers out as the NBA's 75th most efficient defender, due mostly to his excellent defense in isolation as defending the pick and roll? And that this is even more exemplary because they're doing it without their most experienced and skilled post defender?

Well I dare say I had no idea! I just thought that guy was a draft bust from 2012! He's one heck of a ball-player!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 03:15:43 PM
Edgar is keeping us in suspense.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 03:17:58 PM
Lots of great SFs not picked ;)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
Edgar is keeping us in suspense.

Don't blame him, his choice is obvious, but he has a good 40 minutes before his pick is due.

I'd keep y'all waiting too.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Edgar on February 15, 2013, 03:21:09 PM
Utah

Al Jefferson and Derrick Favors
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 03:22:13 PM
2 pick remaining.  Utah, Phoenix, Charlotte & Orlando left.

Interesting

ty I needed this

The allmighty crotors pick is

Next week on, "As The Pick 2 Turns"...

CUT TO: IndeedProceed, Roy Hobbs and NickAgneta in a Mexican standoff

IP: Look, I clearly said I was THINKING about taking Marco Bellineli. It is clear I didn't mean it. I'M NEVER SERIOUS ABOUT ANYTHING!!

CUT TO: StartOrien, staring at a poster of Rajon Rondo, teary-eyed.

SO: I'm...I'm so sorry, Ray-jon. So sorry....
(The poster seems to whisper back, "That's not how you say my freakin name...")

CUT TO: Edgar, drinking a beer and watching Guatamalan Lacrosse, which is of course their name for Soccer

Edgar: (Continues watching soccer, thinking there was something he was supposed to do but can't remember what it was...then..decides he wants a sandwich.)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 03:22:14 PM
Utah

Al Jefferson and Derrick Favors
Interesting combo. I thought Utah would either go with the two veteran bigs or the two young bigs. One and one.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 03:22:34 PM
Aw Edgar, you got me by one minute. Now my joke it irrelevant!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 03:24:23 PM
Josh Smith is on the blog for a Pg, SG or SF
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 03:24:54 PM
2 pick remaining.  Utah, Phoenix, Charlotte & Orlando left.

Interesting

ty I needed this

The allmighty crotors pick is

Next week on, "As The Pick 2 Turns"...

CUT TO: IndeedProceed, Roy Hobbs and NickAgneta in a Mexican standoff

IP: Look, I clearly said I was THINKING about taking Marco Bellineli. It is clear I didn't mean it. I'M NEVER SERIOUS ABOUT ANYTHING!!

CUT TO: StartOrien, staring at a poster of Rajon Rondo, teary-eyed.

SO: I'm...I'm so sorry, Ray-jon. So sorry....
(The poster seems to whisper back, "That's not how you say my freakin name...")

CUT TO: Edgar, drinking a beer and watching Guatamalan Lacrosse, which is of course their name for Soccer

Edgar: (Continues watching soccer, thinking there was something he was supposed to do but can't remember what it was...then..decides he wants a sandwich.)

I'm Magic Johnson?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 03:25:28 PM
Utah

Al Jefferson and Derrick Favors

Great pick imo. That could've gone in the top-15. Except maybe Kanter instead of Jefferson (young blood!) or even Millsap
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 03:26:50 PM
Utah

Al Jefferson and Derrick Favors

Great pick imo. That could've gone in the top-15. Except maybe Kanter instead of Jefferson (young blood!) or even Millsap

I would have leaned toward Big Al and Millsap, but Favors has as much potential as either.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 15, 2013, 03:30:01 PM
Utah

Al Jefferson and Derrick Favors

Great pick imo. That could've gone in the top-15. Except maybe Kanter instead of Jefferson (young blood!) or even Millsap

I would have leaned toward Big Al and Millsap, but Favors has as much potential as either.

Ya, just because of the draft position I thought that'd be the pick. Add Pierce or Wade to that and you're a contender for sure.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 03:37:01 PM
Jrue Holiday and Andrew Bynum on trade block
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 15, 2013, 03:56:48 PM
As an FYI I have the cap room to make some deals if people are interested..... I'm in the wonderful position of being in the middle of the draft.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 03:58:34 PM
As an FYI I have the cap room to make some deals if people are interested..... I'm in the wonderful position of being in the middle of the draft.

Cool story, bro.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 04:01:59 PM
As an FYI I have the cap room to make some deals if people are interested..... I'm in the wonderful position of being in the middle of the draft.

Cool story, bro.

We all were wondering.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 15, 2013, 04:02:20 PM
As an FYI I have the cap room to make some deals if people are interested..... I'm in the wonderful position of being in the middle of the draft.

Cool story, bro.

Haters gonna hate on cap room...
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 04:06:02 PM
Not sure I like the middle.
Ditto -- top and bottom best. Middle dodgy.


Gotta say, I didn't think I'd have a chance to get a solid foundation to build off of from the middle, but I'll take my chances with Kobe and Brook Lopez.

On thw whole, I think the two people that ended up with Atlanta and Dallas (with high draft picks) might be in the best position for now.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 04:07:48 PM
GM's looking to go the "build for the future" route should PM me.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 04:15:38 PM
Atlanta Hawks

Josh Smith and Al Horford


Salary of 25.2 is steep but the talent is good at this stage.

That was the team I was shocked hadn't been picked.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 04:18:14 PM
Willing to trade a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for a 1st rounder and a later pick. Which 3rd rounder I send would depend upon the position of the 1st rounder.

Check my sig for assets
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 04:44:46 PM
I love this draft because the first two rounds are so interesting.

Pick 2 basically means 10-15 players are going to be picked that don't deserve to be kept amongst the top 56-60 players in the league.

I'm wondering how much the salary cap is going to effect GMs to take a lesser talented player because he is less expensive
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 15, 2013, 04:45:35 PM
Monta on the block, and for the right package, my 1.6. And I mean the right package.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 04:46:35 PM
The salary cap factor is huge, unless you are the Lakers or Knicks.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 04:53:28 PM
The salary cap factor is huge, unless you are the Lakers or Knicks.
The Lakers have their own playing field entirely, and then it's the Heat, Nets & Knicks at about the same.

Luckily (for me) I have the best draft position of the 4.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 04:55:12 PM
The salary cap factor is huge, unless you are the Lakers or Knicks.

Its an advantage too for other teams. I've got 9.3 million dollars committed to 2 players who combine for 38.5 pts, 13.6 rebounds, and 7.3 assists per game, and will continue to improve for the next 4 years.

And I've got roughly 61 million dollars to commit to the rest of my team after that.

Compare that to the production from say..Brookyln, LA, or New York.

Yea...now you see.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Edgar on February 15, 2013, 05:01:48 PM
Aw Edgar, you got me by one minute. Now my joke it irrelevant!!

good one  lol
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 05:05:29 PM
The salary cap factor is huge, unless you are the Lakers or Knicks.

Its an advantage too for other teams. I've got 9.3 million dollars committed to 2 players who combine for 38.5 pts, 13.6 rebounds, and 7.3 assists per game, and will continue to improve for the next 4 years.

And I've got roughly 61 million dollars to commit to the rest of my team after that.

Compare that to the production from say..Brookyln, LA, or New York.

Yea...now you see.
I have 33 PPG, 15.1 RPG, 9.1 APG, 2 SPG and 2.8 BPG and still have $65 million left to spend.

Not seeing where either team has any advantage other than that your team is getting better production per dollar but I'm not sure that is all that big a factor in this endeavor.

All I want to do is make the best team possible while making the Lakers better than they are currently constructed.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 05:06:48 PM
IP, true. Lucky and I are paying two players 16.5 million for 36.2 ppg, 9apg, 12 rpg. Plus they're both young.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 05:09:24 PM
I get the feeling that all of the top talent is going to go off the board pretty quickly and the teams with extra cap space are just going to end up with more expensive role players. Those $7-10 million players instead of $5 million players and $5-6 million players instead of $2-3 million players.

Unless they can find a trade or two with some team that hasn't handled their cap well or is overly worried early on about their cap situation.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 05:14:57 PM
I get the feeling that all of the top talent is going to go off the board pretty quickly and the teams with extra cap space are just going to end up with more expensive role players. Those $7-10 million players instead of $5 million players and $5-6 million players instead of $2-3 million players.

Unless they can find a trade or two with some team that hasn't handled their cap well or is overly worried early on about their cap situation.

This has pretty much been my take on it.  Gonna be some top heavy rosters.  Heck, mine is the top-heaviest with just Kobe.

Stars win in this league though, not cap space.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: celticpride07 on February 15, 2013, 05:17:14 PM
What franchises are left to pick from?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 05:17:30 PM
Round One and two will be interesting and then I think the budgets come into play.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 05:18:50 PM
What franchises are left to pick from?

Phoenix, Charlotte, Orlando
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 05:19:02 PM
What franchises are left to pick from?
Phoenix, Orlando and Charlotte
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 05:20:16 PM
Just putting out there that I'm always willing to discuss trades.  Wall, Beal, and all picks are on the table.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 05:22:11 PM
Just putting out there that I'm always willing to discuss trades.  Wall, Beal, and all picks are on the table.

Same with me. Mayo is on da block
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 05:24:28 PM
Round One and two will be interesting and then I think the budgets come into play.
I think what the interesting thing will be is when teams have 4-6 players and they suddenly realize they have no ability to make their team better by simply drafting because they are so limited as to who to select because of the salary cap.

Its going to happen to a lot of team that don't slot their salary for each round and be careful about what they have to spend and can spend.

Then a raft of trading is going to take place where these teams attempt to trade similar talent around similar positions just to increase their cap and give them more to draft.

So my guess is that come Wednesday or Thursday of next week you will see huge player movement as teams attempt to rework their salary.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: celticpride07 on February 15, 2013, 05:25:49 PM
What franchises are left to pick from?
Phoenix, Orlando and Charlotte

Sweet!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 05:26:58 PM
Question:  do we have to match salaries for trades?  Or would a (hypothetical) Howard-for-Bradley trade be okay as long as both teams remain under the cap?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 05:27:40 PM
Question:  do we have to match salaries for trades?  Or would a (hypothetical) Howard-for-Bradley trade be okay as long as both teams remain under the cap?
Roy H. said no need to match salaries. Just stay under the cap.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 05:29:27 PM
Question:  do we have to match salaries for trades?  Or would a (hypothetical) Howard-for-Bradley trade be okay as long as both teams remain under the cap?
Roy H. said no need to match salaries. Just stay under the cap.

Gotcha.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: celticpride07 on February 15, 2013, 05:34:52 PM
I will take The SUNS Goran Dragic and Marcin Gortat
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 05:35:26 PM
I will take The SUNS Goran Dragic and Marcin Gortat

Nice. Obvious choice.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 05:38:15 PM
17 centers and 16 point guards selected as keepers.

Talent squeeze at those two positions.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 05:45:41 PM
Under/Over on Wade's draft slot?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
I will take The SUNS Goran Dragic and Marcin Gortat

Nice. Obvious choice.
The clear cut #1 guy and a little luck with that first pick of the 2nd round and Phoenix could have a title contender there. A big four kind of setup.

Gortat and Dragic are both on reasonable contracts to make that work financially. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 15, 2013, 05:47:25 PM
Under/Over on Wade's draft slot?


shhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: celticpride07 on February 15, 2013, 05:48:52 PM
Under/Over on Wade's draft slot?


shhhhhhhhhh!!!!

Yeah I know!  Won't get past 1.1 unless someone has a good trade to offer for 1.1!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 05:52:38 PM
The way my team will play, will revolutionize basketball... forever!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
So how does the second part of this draft work?



P.S. will trade my first for a high 2nd and an additional pick
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 06:04:08 PM
Well despite not being able to move to Winnipeg and name the club the Winnipeg Priestly's, I'm happy so far.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 06:04:53 PM
There's gonna be so many sleepers in this draft LOL
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 06:08:31 PM
Jrue Holiday on block come strong
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 06:38:39 PM
Now comes the waiting.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 15, 2013, 06:52:33 PM
Now comes the waiting.

Are the draft times for Monday posted yet?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 06:58:57 PM
OK, I've gotta go for today, maybe I'll check back later.

I'm open to discussing any trade proposal for moving up/down in the draft.  PM me if interested.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: celticpride07 on February 15, 2013, 07:09:05 PM
Willing to trade anything, would have to be overwhelmed to trade 1.1 but will listen
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
Now comes the waiting.

Are the draft times for Monday posted yet?
yeah, this is going to be key for me.  probably be available since I'm at the end but will need to be sure I'm not commuting at that time
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 07:51:41 PM
Any mock drafts available? ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 07:55:00 PM
Any mock drafts available? ;D
You can check out last year's Pick II draft and more recently last summer's CB Draft. They will give you a fair idea of where various players in the draft are rated.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=53380.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=58943.0
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 08:08:54 PM
Any mock drafts available? ;D
You can check out last year's Pick II draft and more recently last summer's CB Draft. They will give you a fair idea of where various players in the draft are rated.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=53380.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=58943.0

Unless the player's name is JJ Hickson
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2013, 08:21:37 PM
Any mock drafts available? ;D
You can check out last year's Pick II draft and more recently last summer's CB Draft. They will give you a fair idea of where various players in the draft are rated.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=53380.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=58943.0

Unless the player's name is JJ Hickson
and one safe bet, unlike in previous years, I won't be picking Lamar Odom in the first round
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 08:24:38 PM
Now comes the waiting.

Are the draft times for Monday posted yet?
yeah, this is going to be key for me.  probably be available since I'm at the end but will need to be sure I'm not commuting at that time

Draft times are on the front page.  I rushed through it, so let me know if I inverted the order, messed up the times, etc.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: slamtheking on February 15, 2013, 08:29:11 PM
Now comes the waiting.

Are the draft times for Monday posted yet?
yeah, this is going to be key for me.  probably be available since I'm at the end but will need to be sure I'm not commuting at that time

Draft times are on the front page.  I rushed through it, so let me know if I inverted the order, messed up the times, etc.
don't know how I missed those.  thanks Roy.  I should be ok for most of those picks.  hoping I can rely on you and the other commishes to help me make picks for me when I'm not available.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 08:34:05 PM
Anyone down for trading pm me :)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 08:38:39 PM
Never mind.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 15, 2013, 08:44:02 PM
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.

I want your first round pick.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 08:46:30 PM
Can we trade for cap space? >_<
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 08:48:01 PM
I have 3.15, 4.15, 5.15, 6.15, 7.15, 8.15, 9.15, 10.15 up for trade. Looking for first and second round picks ONLY.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 08:57:34 PM
I wonder if the (3-stars + vet mins) will work out xD
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 09:03:24 PM
Edit: actually screw that.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 09:05:03 PM
Looking to move anywhere in the top 2 rounds, period, for anything except my players! :D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 09:12:06 PM
This is all too funny!  Everybody wants everyone else's 1st round picks.

I'm not expecting much early movement as a result.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 09:13:01 PM
Looking for 1st, 2nd, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th round picks for my 3.15, 4.15 and 5.15
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 09:14:19 PM
Major Tp's to Roy (and anyone else) for organizing this.  Looks like some serious work.

So far, I an rather enjoying it.  Should have gotten involved in one of these before (not that I really had the time).
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 09:16:26 PM
Looking for 1st, 2nd, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th round picks for my 3.15, 4.15 and 5.15

Haha.  My guess is everyone else is looking for that same deal.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Looking for 1st, 2nd, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th round picks for my 3.15, 4.15 and 5.15

Haha.  My guess is everyone else is looking for that same deal.

Well, in that case, looking for 3rd, 4th, 5th round picks for my 2.15, 6.15, 7.15, 8.15, 9.15, 10.15
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 09:24:36 PM
Got a couple guys in mind..might have to sit tight and hope they fall. Arghhhh I have no idea lol



This is much more fun than I anticipated
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 15, 2013, 09:26:44 PM
This is all too funny!  Everybody wants everyone else's 1st round picks.

I'm not expecting much early movement as a result.

Yes, me neither. Nearly all of the high level talent is gone by the end of the first round. It's pretty much the only chance you have to draft another difference maker to add to your starting duo.

Hard to find value in trading out of this round.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 09:30:46 PM
My 1.9 pick is up for trade for whoever wants it mainly looking for players
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 09:31:47 PM
It's great to see so much new blood in this draft.  I'm impressed by the level of activity.

I'd encourage everyone to look over last year's draft board before making any trades, just to get an idea of value.  Also, be skeptical if any of the veteran GMs try to talk you into a deal.  (Hint:  Mr. Proceed does not have your best interests at heart, no matter how many semi-clever quips he throws at you.)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 15, 2013, 09:33:34 PM
It's great to see so much new blood in this draft.  I'm impressed by the level of activity.

I'd encourage everyone to look over last year's draft board before making any trades, just to get an idea of value.  Also, be skeptical if any of the veteran GMs try to talk you into a deal.  (Hint:  Mr. Proceed does not have your best interests at heart, no matter how many semi-clever quips he throws at you.)

[dang] Roy is pulling Proceed's card! Lol
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 09:56:38 PM
I guess the new bloods donnt want a first round pick
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 09:57:27 PM
I guess the new bloods donnt want a first round pick

I'll take it for my tenth round pick
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 15, 2013, 09:59:00 PM
Just a quick point I wanted to address.

Since there is a salary cap were using, is there also going to be a salary floor every team will need to meet?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 09:59:38 PM
Just a quick point I wanted to address.

Since there is a salary cap were using, is there also going to be a salary floor every team will need to meet?

I wonder why anyone would want to be at the floor >_<
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 15, 2013, 10:06:05 PM
I'm not looking to make any trades right now.  Just like real-life San Antonio, I'm gonna get great value late in the rounds.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 10:07:56 PM
Just a quick point I wanted to address.

Since there is a salary cap were using, is there also going to be a salary floor every team will need to meet?

Yes.  I know I mentioned it somewhere, but the salary "floor" is $49.337 million.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 10:10:27 PM
Roy Hobbs, throwin shade at the sun as usual. Probably bitter that the CB Draft Bulls turned out to be the top dog. Itsagonnabeagooddraft, you guys.

I was entertaining moving my 1st and 3rd for a first in the 1-5 range and a 6th. If anyone finds that they aren't in love with any of the fits there, send a PM.

Also open to discussing Tristan Thompson. Either in trade, or just as a fan who figured out they'd been wrong about him all along. 15 and 10 in 33 minutes you guys, solid defender and efficient scorer. Who saw that coming?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 15, 2013, 10:11:13 PM
If anyone is considering trading a pick in the first 2/3 of the 1st round, please contact Rebus and me. We'd be happy to talk trade.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 10:19:15 PM
It's great to see so much new blood in this draft.  I'm impressed by the level of activity.

I'd encourage everyone to look over last year's draft board before making any trades, just to get an idea of value.  Also, be skeptical if any of the veteran GMs try to talk you into a deal.  (Hint:  Mr. Proceed does not have your best interests at heart, no
 matter how many semi-clever quips he throws at you.)

But, but he told me I was special. ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 15, 2013, 10:21:30 PM
Roy Hobbs, throwin shade at the sun as usual. Probably bitter that the CB Draft Bulls turned out to be the top dog.

Count 'em:

(http://mystictongue3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rings608.jpg)

'08, '09, '12.

How many you got?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 10:28:52 PM
Roy Hobbs, throwin shade at the sun as usual. Probably bitter that the CB Draft Bulls turned out to be the top dog.

Count 'em:

(http://mystictongue3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rings608.jpg)

'08, '09, '12.

How many you got?

Dinoboxerbots still got robbed
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 10:33:29 PM
Roy Hobbs, throwin shade at the sun as usual. Probably bitter that the CB Draft Bulls turned out to be the top dog.

Count 'em:

(http://mystictongue3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rings608.jpg)

'08, '09, '12.

How many you got?

Listen here Robert Horry, we both know Edgar did all the dirty work. We all know this. And when Edgar wasn't making the picks, your wife was running game on the trade phones.

2012 CB BULLS 4 LYFE!!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 10:46:51 PM
Roy Hobbs, throwin shade at the sun as usual. Probably bitter that the CB Draft Bulls turned out to be the top dog.

Count 'em:

(http://mystictongue3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rings608.jpg)

'08, '09, '12.

How many you got?

Listen here Robert Horry, we both know Edgar did all the dirty work. We all know this. And when Edgar wasn't making the picks, your wife was running game on the trade phones.

2012 CB BULLS 4 LYFE!!!

Any other team have the defensive player of the year, MVP, and finals MVP all on the same team?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 10:48:01 PM
Anyone want to talk strategy or something? I've got thought on just about every team on who/which 'type' of player they could pursue, and Im a bit annoyed after realizing that Im not going to be able to acquire Chris Bosh or another capable floor spacing center.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 10:51:46 PM
Roy Hobbs, throwin shade at the sun as usual. Probably bitter that the CB Draft Bulls turned out to be the top dog.
Count 'em:

(http://mystictongue3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rings608.jpg)

'08, '09, '12.

How many you got?

Dinoboxerbots still got robbed
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 10:52:46 PM
Well I'd ask IP for advice but apparently, he's not my buddy and my name is now Guy.  ;D Plus he'd likely just steal the player Lucky and I want. ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 15, 2013, 10:53:01 PM
Anyone want to talk strategy or something? I've got thought on just about every team on who/which 'type' of player they could pursue, and Im a bit annoyed after realizing that Im not going to be able to acquire Chris Bosh or another capable floor spacing center.

For my team (SA),  I'm looking for '3 and D' guys at the 2 and 3, and then a mobile defender at the 4 to put next to Duncan.

As for backups, I need defenders who are capable of moving the ball.  They need to be decent floor spacers, too.

Your team is building for the future, I assume, so I would look for young guys with potential on the cheap.  If you're trying to win, trade Thompson and a couple picks for a high first.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 10:57:30 PM
Roy Hobbs, throwin shade at the sun as usual. Probably bitter that the CB Draft Bulls turned out to be the top dog.

Count 'em:

(http://mystictongue3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rings608.jpg)

'08, '09, '12.

How many you got?

Listen here Robert Horry, we both know Edgar did all the dirty work. We all know this. And when Edgar wasn't making the picks, your wife was running game on the trade phones.

2012 CB BULLS 4 LYFE!!!

Any other team have the defensive player of the year, MVP, and finals MVP all on the same team?

Nope, a very solid team indeed.

I wonder how your team matches up against mine from this past summer. I think mine had more talent across the board, and is deeper, but the 11 Knicks (none of that funny team stuff) had Lebron. Did you have Millsap too?

Holiday/Jack
Wade/Shved/Butler
Pierce/Parsons/(Butler)
Young/(Bosh)/(Splitter)
Bosh/Splitter/Vucevic

Deep bench: Lamb/Haywood
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 10:58:19 PM
I want lots of solid bigs, traditional style
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 11:10:00 PM
Anyone want to talk strategy or something? I've got thought on just about every team on who/which 'type' of player they could pursue, and Im a bit annoyed after realizing that Im not going to be able to acquire Chris Bosh or another capable floor spacing center.

For my team (SA),  I'm looking for '3 and D' guys at the 2 and 3, and then a mobile defender at the 4 to put next to Duncan.

As for backups, I need defenders who are capable of moving the ball.  They need to be decent floor spacers, too.

Your team is building for the future, I assume, so I would look for young guys with potential on the cheap.  If you're trying to win, trade Thompson and a couple picks for a high first.

For my own team, I neve like to pigeon-hole myself as 'building for the future'. The way I see it, Im looking for versatile high-character guys at the 2 and 3 who can compensate for Irving's sub-par passing, and ideally a 5 who can clear some space for Irving.

I don't think Im going to trade for picks in the first few rounds, because people's value scales tend to highly favor 1sts. I think Id be better off waiting for teams to sort themselves out, and then facilitate filling holes (giggity).

For the Spurs, it is absolutely imperative that you get a high-caliber big next to Duncan immediately, and a high-scoring wing. The cool thing about Duncan is that you can go young though next to him. If I had been able to land the Spurs, my top target in the draft or via trade would've likely been Derrick Favors. The other cool thing about the Spurs is that you can take a flier on malcontents. I doubt you could snag a Boogie Cousins, but think of other 'unstable' bigs who need some guidance.

And with everything Spurs, you gotta go 'tough'. Don't pick any pansies.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 15, 2013, 11:10:55 PM
Portland is happy for any advice. TPs in return. Oh and Gordon Lightfoot CDs.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 15, 2013, 11:19:56 PM
Roy Hobbs, throwin shade at the sun as usual. Probably bitter that the CB Draft Bulls turned out to be the top dog.

Count 'em:

(http://mystictongue3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rings608.jpg)

'08, '09, '12.

How many you got?

Listen here Robert Horry, we both know Edgar did all the dirty work. We all know this. And when Edgar wasn't making the picks, your wife was running game on the trade phones.

2012 CB BULLS 4 LYFE!!!

Any other team have the defensive player of the year, MVP, and finals MVP all on the same team?

Nope, a very solid team indeed.

I wonder how your team matches up against mine from this past summer. I think mine had more talent across the board, and is deeper, but the 11 Knicks (none of that funny team stuff) had Lebron. Did you have Millsap too?

Holiday/Jack
Wade/Shved/Butler
Pierce/Parsons/(Butler)
Young/(Bosh)/(Splitter)
Bosh/Splitter/Vucevic

Deep bench: Lamb/Haywood

We started

Jennings/billups
Wes Mathews
Lebron
Millsap
Tyson chandler
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 11:24:25 PM
I think you've got me in the starting 5, and thus the series. Heck of a team.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 15, 2013, 11:26:26 PM
Roy Hobbs, throwin shade at the sun as usual. Probably bitter that the CB Draft Bulls turned out to be the top dog.

Count 'em:

(http://mystictongue3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/rings608.jpg)

'08, '09, '12.

How many you got?

Listen here Robert Horry, we both know Edgar did all the dirty work. We all know this. And when Edgar wasn't making the picks, your wife was running game on the trade phones.

2012 CB BULLS 4 LYFE!!!

Any other team have the defensive player of the year, MVP, and finals MVP all on the same team?

Nope, a very solid team indeed.

I wonder how your team matches up against mine from this past summer. I think mine had more talent across the board, and is deeper, but the 11 Knicks (none of that funny team stuff) had Lebron. Did you have Millsap too?

Holiday/Jack
Wade/Shved/Butler
Pierce/Parsons/(Butler)
Young/(Bosh)/(Splitter)
Bosh/Splitter/Vucevic

Deep bench: Lamb/Haywood

We started

Jennings/Billups
Wes Mathews/Gary Neal
Lebron/Mike Miller/Chris Singleton
Millsap/Boris Diaw
Tyson chandler/Nazr Mohammed
Fixed
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 11:32:39 PM
Anyone want to talk strategy or something? I've got thought on just about every team on who/which 'type' of player they could pursue, and Im a bit annoyed after realizing that Im not going to be able to acquire Chris Bosh or another capable floor spacing center.

Irving could end up being a top 5 player in the NBA.  I think he's that good. 

With that said, he's not exactly a good defensive player at this point and you'll need to load your team with guys who can hide him.  The one thing he does have is size (he's big for a PG) and you might consider grabbing a defensive-minded combo guard to take the better offensive threat every night. 

Aside from that, I view Thompson as more of a complementary piece, not a guy around whom you design your gameplan.  Irving is your man.  Get guys who Irving can help, and who can help Irving.  If you can't get a perimeter big, then I wouldn't hesitate to move Thompson.  He's a solid player, which means he's also a solid trade chip.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 11:34:38 PM
Portland is happy for any advice. TPs in return. Oh and Gordon Lightfoot CDs.

A Center is the most pressing concern, a decent SF shouldn't be too hard to obtain, but you need a formidable frotncourt partner for LA
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 11:41:33 PM
Anyone want to talk strategy or something? I've got thought on just about every team on who/which 'type' of player they could pursue, and Im a bit annoyed after realizing that Im not going to be able to acquire Chris Bosh or another capable floor spacing center.

Irving could end up being a top 5 player in the NBA.  I think he's that good. 

With that said, he's not exactly a good defensive player at this point and you'll need to load your team with guys who can hide him.  The one thing he does have is size (he's big for a PG) and you might consider grabbing a defensive-minded combo guard to take the better offensive threat every night. 

Aside from that, I view Thompson as more of a complementary piece, not a guy around whom you design your gameplan.  Irving is your man.  Get guys who Irving can help, and who can help Irving.  If you can't get a perimeter big, then I wouldn't hesitate to move Thompson.  He's a solid player, which means he's also a solid trade chip.

Before I did my homework selecting the Cavs, that was my thought as well.

Here is what David Thorpe says about Thompson, filed under 'Guys In The Rising Stars likely to make at least one all-star game'

Quote
Tristan Thompson, Cavaliers | Sophomore
TT is quietly putting together a nice Most Improved Player campaign. He is learning how to finish shots, making free throws better, and playing like the athlete he was in college. He has the talent to be one of the league's top rebounders and a double-double guy for the next eight seasons. He should also be a plus defender, capable of guarding either big position as well as stretch 4s, thanks to his agility.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 11:43:00 PM
Portland is happy for any advice. TPs in return. Oh and Gordon Lightfoot CDs.

Aldridge would really benefit from a banger in the middle.  He's come a long way in the toughness department since he came into the league, but he's still best suited as a face-up big on the elbow.  A physical space-eater inside would complement that really well. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 15, 2013, 11:43:16 PM
Not that Im not open to moving Thompson, just that my asking price a bit higher than most might expect.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 15, 2013, 11:53:50 PM
Trading Andrew Bynum for a first
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 15, 2013, 11:56:08 PM
Anyone want to talk strategy or something? I've got thought on just about every team on who/which 'type' of player they could pursue, and Im a bit annoyed after realizing that Im not going to be able to acquire Chris Bosh or another capable floor spacing center.

Irving could end up being a top 5 player in the NBA.  I think he's that good. 

With that said, he's not exactly a good defensive player at this point and you'll need to load your team with guys who can hide him.  The one thing he does have is size (he's big for a PG) and you might consider grabbing a defensive-minded combo guard to take the better offensive threat every night. 

Aside from that, I view Thompson as more of a complementary piece, not a guy around whom you design your gameplan.  Irving is your man.  Get guys who Irving can help, and who can help Irving.  If you can't get a perimeter big, then I wouldn't hesitate to move Thompson.  He's a solid player, which means he's also a solid trade chip.

Before I did my homework selecting the Cavs, that was my thought as well.

Here is what David Thorpe says about Thompson, filed under 'Guys In The Rising Stars likely to make at least one all-star game'

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Tristan Thompson, Cavaliers | Sophomore
TT is quietly putting together a nice Most Improved Player campaign. He is learning how to finish shots, making free throws better, and playing like the athlete he was in college. He has the talent to be one of the league's top rebounders and a double-double guy for the next eight seasons. He should also be a plus defender, capable of guarding either big position as well as stretch 4s, thanks to his agility.

I just question whether he'll develop any range.  I think you were on to something when you were looking for a perimeter 5 - I'd keep pressing that angle. 

What do you view as Thompson's ceiling?  I see him as a 16/12 guy with good defense.  That's an excellent roleplayer, but I still think you need to worry about putting that good #2 scorer next to Irving, and then figuring out where Thompson fits into the puzzle.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 16, 2013, 12:06:58 AM
Trading Andrew Bynum for a first

He'd be an intriguing frontcourt complement to LMA.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 16, 2013, 12:25:16 AM
Trading Andrew Bynum for a first

He'd be an intriguing frontcourt complement to LMA.

In terms of skillset, yes.  In terms of temperament, maybe not so much.  Bynum seems determined to be an alpha dog (deserved or not) and may not like the fact that Portland is LMA's team at this point. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
Trading Andrew Bynum for a first

He'd be an intriguing frontcourt complement to LMA.

In terms of skillset, yes.  In terms of temperament, maybe not so much.  Bynum seems determined to be an alpha dog (deserved or not) and may not like the fact that Portland is LMA's team at this point.

Yes Bynum is an alpha dog but Dwight is the one having problems with Kobe when Bynum was there he knew it was kobes team
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 16, 2013, 12:37:34 AM
Trading Andrew Bynum for a first

He'd be an intriguing frontcourt complement to LMA.
I disagree, A.Bynum would be bad for Aldridge just like A.Bynum was bad for Pau Gasol.

Sticking Aldridge alongside a low-post-only big man forces Aldridge to spend a larger proportion of his time and receive a larger portion of touches and shot attempts further away from the basket. More time in that 15-22 foot range than in that 6-12 foot range.

Which creates lower quality scoring opportunities which leads to both lower scoring numbers and lower scoring efficiency. It makes Aldridge less of a threat offensively. Easier to defend against. Less of a matchup problem.

You want to get Aldridge alongside a big man who has an inside-outside game (like Marc Gasol) or someone who plays mainly away from the hoop. Avoid guys who only have value offensively 5 foot from the basket (at least in important / big minute roles).
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 12:41:22 AM
I was entertaining moving my 1st and 3rd for a first in the 1-5 range and a 6th. If anyone finds that they aren't in love with any of the fits there, send a PM.

If anyone is thinking about taking IP up on this offer, make sure to contact me first.  I will extend a similar offer, but will make it a BETTER 1st and 2 4th's.  :P
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 16, 2013, 12:46:48 AM
In the third round, hypothetically, you're filling out your starting 5.

Would you trade a 3rd and a 5th for two 4ths?

Maybe. Depends. The draft flows in tears. And tiers.

When you succeed, you guess how to ride out the tiers.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 16, 2013, 01:07:23 AM
I find it amusing that IP and ROy/Edgar are fighting about last year's CBNBA when this year has all but justified that SO and I got rogered but good.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 01:09:18 AM
Rumor: Andrew Bynum might be heading to New York which team it is has not been confirmed
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 16, 2013, 01:11:31 AM
Why hasn't anyone given me their first round picks yet?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 01:14:15 AM
Source: Bynum has been traded
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 01:19:46 AM
Source: Bynum has been traded

says who?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 16, 2013, 01:20:25 AM
Source: Bynum has been traded

says who?
My guess would be Ronaldo, because he has Bynum.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 01:21:56 AM
Source: Bynum has been traded

says who?
My guess would be Ronaldo, because he has Bynum.

I need better sources!  ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 01:25:46 AM
Source: Bynum has been traded

says who?
My guess would be Ronaldo, because he has Bynum.

I need better sources!  ;D

Source: Bynum was shipped out of town for a 1st and two 4th round picks
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 16, 2013, 01:35:16 AM
Source: Bynum has been traded

says who?
My guess would be Ronaldo, because he has Bynum.

I need better sources!  ;D

Source: Bynum was shipped out of town for a 1st and two 4th round picks

I heard from a friend that Bynum is currently wondering what the crap is going on, and where did that baggie of kush go?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 01:36:38 AM
Check your PM's Ronaldo
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 01:39:16 AM
Check your PM's Ronaldo

We will just have to wait until Roy ;D confirms it
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 01:39:27 AM
Why hasn't anyone given me their first round picks yet?

What you offering?

If it's your 1st, 2nd and 3rd, I'm in!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 01:42:59 AM
Bynum is joining the Cavs good night.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 01:45:23 AM
Rumor: Andrew Bynum might be heading to New York which team it is has not been confirmed
Source: Bynum was shipped out of town for a 1st and two 4th round picks

Something big must be in the works.  There's only one other New York team besides me, and I'm the only one that can that offer two 4ths at the moment.

Three team trade?   :o
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 01:50:25 AM
Bynum is joining the Cavs good night.

Arghh!!!  Mis-direction.

Rable rouser!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 16, 2013, 01:58:46 AM
So hypothetically, the Cavs might look like:

Irving
?
?
Tristan Thompson
Andrew Bynum
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 02:06:40 AM
So hypothetically, the Cavs might look like:

Irving
?
?
Tristan Thompson
Andrew Bynum

Duh!  Apparently I'm slow on the uptake.  Forget you had the Cavs.

If Ronaldo was simply trying to pit us against each other for Bynum, you can have him.

No way would I give up a 1st for Bynum.  Might be ok for you, if you're looking towards the future (and have some sort of time machine to predict whether his knees will last).

Do it!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 16, 2013, 02:12:00 AM
So hypothetically, the Cavs might look like:

Irving
?
?
Tristan Thompson
Andrew Bynum

Was there a Kyrie + Bynum tandem before? Last year maybe?

Edit: Ah, here we go

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Cleveland Cavaliers

PG - Kyrie Irving, Chauncey Billups, Earl Watson
SG - Landry Fields, George Hill, Sam Young
SF - Luol Deng, Jeff Green
PF - Kris Humphries, Brandon Bass, Matt Bonner
C  - Andrew Bynum, Nenad Krstic
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 16, 2013, 02:23:09 AM
So hypothetically, the Cavs might look like:

Irving
?
?
Tristan Thompson
Andrew Bynum

Was there a Kyrie + Bynum tandem before? Last year maybe?

Maybe, can't remember.

Again, hypothetically, since no trade has yet been approved, here is how Id see it.

Andrew Bynum is a lot of things. Potentially injury prone, potentially problematic in the lockerroom, terrible neighbor.

But he's shown himself to be a 20-10 all-star, elite defender among centers, and he's supposed to return after the break.

I can't fathom a situation that might arise where I would (hypothetically) have the potential to acquire a center with a track record of 20-10 who has not yet reached his ceiling in the draft. Injury prone or no, the remaining high-ceiling centers are nowhere near as dominant offensively as Andrew Bynum.

While ideally Id prefer a better stretch 4 next to Bynum, Thompson won't stop rebounding , converting in transition, or working the P&R. On the other side, i (hypothetically) acquire a potential 20 pt scorer, 10+ rebounder, and elite defender at the 5 to build around Irving long-term.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 07:15:25 AM
So hypothetically, the Cavs might look like:

Irving
?
?
Tristan Thompson
Andrew Bynum

Was there a Kyrie + Bynum tandem before? Last year maybe?

Maybe, can't remember.

Again, hypothetically, since no trade has yet been approved, here is how Id see it.

Andrew Bynum is a lot of things. Potentially injury prone, potentially problematic in the lockerroom, terrible neighbor.

But he's shown himself to be a 20-10 all-star, elite defender among centers, and he's supposed to return after the break.

I can't fathom a situation that might arise where I would (hypothetically) have the potential to acquire a center with a track record of 20-10 who has not yet reached his ceiling in the draft. Injury prone or no, the remaining high-ceiling centers are nowhere near as dominant offensively as Andrew Bynum.

While ideally Id prefer a better stretch 4 next to Bynum, Thompson won't stop rebounding , converting in transition, or working the P&R. On the other side, i (hypothetically) acquire a potential 20 pt scorer, 10+ rebounder, and elite defender at the 5 to build around Irving long-term.

Well put, when Bynum is playing he is a 20-10 guy and definety an all star.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 08:12:39 AM
Trading Andrew Bynum for a first

He'd be an intriguing frontcourt complement to LMA.
I disagree, A.Bynum would be bad for Aldridge just like A.Bynum was bad for Pau Gasol.

Sticking Aldridge alongside a low-post-only big man forces Aldridge to spend a larger proportion of his time and receive a larger portion of touches and shot attempts further away from the basket. More time in that 15-22 foot range than in that 6-12 foot range.

Which creates lower quality scoring opportunities which leads to both lower scoring numbers and lower scoring efficiency. It makes Aldridge less of a threat offensively. Easier to defend against. Less of a matchup problem.

You want to get Aldridge alongside a big man who has an inside-outside game (like Marc Gasol) or someone who plays mainly away from the hoop. Avoid guys who only have value offensively 5 foot from the basket (at least in important / big minute roles).

LMA is one of the best stretch fours in the league. Just saying,
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 08:17:03 AM
Sources: Randolph has been traded
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
Sources: Randolph has been traded.

Whos the source?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 16, 2013, 08:32:05 AM
Sources: Randolph has been traded

Really?  Wow.  I thought you had a great big combo there, CC.   You getting picks, or players, or both?   What say your sources?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 08:36:52 AM
Im looking for versatile high-character guys at the 2 and 3 who can compensate for Irving's sub-par passing...

It's a shame Irving's GM doesn't recognize his full potential.

Irving's passing will be fine as soon as he's surrounded by quality teammates who can finish.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 08:39:56 AM
I haven't heard anything about a Randolph trade.

However, the Bynum deal is confirmed:

Cavs send:
1.16
2.16


76ers send:
Andrew Bynum
3.9

We paired Bynum and Irving last year, and I loved that combo at the time.  In theory, I still do.  In reality, Bynum has had a major injury in 5 out of the past 6 seasons and has major attitude problems.  He's also going to be getting a max contract.

That's not the type of player I'd build around. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 16, 2013, 08:44:26 AM
If ronaldo can surround Holiday with nice pieces at those two firsts and two seconds, he's got a real strong contender right there.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 16, 2013, 08:49:25 AM
These trades early in the draft is making me itch!

I'm in control, i'm in control...
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 08:54:41 AM
Anyone looking for picks?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 16, 2013, 08:58:01 AM
Anyone looking for picks?

I'll have both your firsts.

Edit:  ronaldo check your PMs
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 16, 2013, 10:56:18 AM
Hoping one particular player falls to me in the draft... Consensus top 3 pick for sure.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 11:21:22 AM
Hoping one particular player falls to me in the draft... Consensus top 3 pick for sure.

Question : Are you building for future or are you trying to contend?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 16, 2013, 11:30:47 AM
I like the Bynum trade for Philly.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 16, 2013, 11:36:01 AM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HQTd9IVUXY4/Td3ON5zn3xI/AAAAAAAAAh4/8ecDIL32zuY/s1600/Statlerandwaldorf.JPG)

He traded for Bynum? That bum is always hurt. What kind of player hurts himself bowling?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 16, 2013, 11:57:19 AM
I haven't heard anything about a Randolph trade.

However, the Bynum deal is confirmed:

Cavs send:
1.16
2.16


76ers send:
Andrew Bynum
3.9

We paired Bynum and Irving last year, and I loved that combo at the time.  In theory, I still do.  In reality, Bynum has had a major injury in 5 out of the past 6 seasons and has major attitude problems.  He's also going to be getting a max contract.

That's not the type of player I'd build around.

Straight HATE this trade for Cleveland.

Excited to see IP back pedal, and then annoyed knowing someone will probably bail him out. Thats the laker way.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 16, 2013, 12:06:08 PM
Also, this trade makes me realize how dumb i was for not keeping rondo
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 16, 2013, 12:07:28 PM
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Bynum deal either.  He only makes you a contender if he reaches his full potential, stays healthy, and does a 180 in personality.  That's a lot of of ifs to give up the top of your draft for. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 16, 2013, 12:08:12 PM
BTW Tyson Chandler is available if anyone's interested. EDIT: Please be prepared to make an initial offer, there are only a few teams whose players/picks I'd really covet.

Melo's technically available but you'd have to bowl me over.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 16, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
Monta still on the block. A couple offers in but still thinking things over. PM me.

EDIT: Jennings as well.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 16, 2013, 12:35:07 PM
OJ Mayo is available, if anyone is interested. Will listen to offers for Dirk too.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 16, 2013, 12:55:01 PM
Building for the future..will listen to offers for additional picks
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 16, 2013, 01:04:26 PM
Just finished my spreadsheet rating the top 10 players available at every position. If anyone wants to discuss their rankings let me know.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 01:40:36 PM
I would give up picks (except first) for a solid guard
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 02:04:54 PM
Portland is happy for any advice. TPs in return. Oh and Gordon Lightfoot CDs.

Here's my advice, send me LMA for my 3rd round pick.

Sundown you better take care.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 16, 2013, 02:10:49 PM
Portland is happy for any advice. TPs in return. Oh and Gordon Lightfoot CDs.

Here's my advice, send me LMA for my 3rd round pick.

Sundown you better take care.

Advice considered but we'll pass. Not sure that's worth Gordon Lightfoot, maybe some Avril Lavigne.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 02:18:28 PM
Portland is happy for any advice. TPs in return. Oh and Gordon Lightfoot CDs.

Here's my advice, send me LMA for my 3rd round pick.

Sundown you better take care.

Advice considered but we'll pass. Not sure that's worth Gordon Lightfoot, maybe some Avril Lavigne.

Ouch!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 16, 2013, 02:27:38 PM
For really bad offers we send Nickelback or Bieber. :o
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on February 16, 2013, 02:28:12 PM
Sent some PM's but looking to move westbrook and my 2nd/3rd for a pf/c and a 2nd/3rd

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 02:43:31 PM
Sent some PM's but looking to move westbrook and my 2nd/3rd for a pf/c and a 2nd/3rd

didnt receive one  :'(
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 02:45:13 PM
Rumor: 76ers are close to acquiring Josh Smith
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 16, 2013, 02:45:19 PM
All of my picks and players are up for discussion.  PM me!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 03:07:43 PM
Looking for a small forward! Willing to part ways with 1st rounder
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 03:10:07 PM
Sources: Randolph has been traded

Really?  Wow.  I thought you had a great big combo there, CC.   You getting picks, or players, or both?   What say your sources?

Sources were liars. Randolph is still a Grizzly
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 03:34:14 PM
Sources: Randolph has been traded

Really?  Wow.  I thought you had a great big combo there, CC.   You getting picks, or players, or both?   What say your sources?

Sources were liars. Randolph is still a Grizzly

Wait so your telling me that you are the Grizzlies GM yet you got a source from someone else and you couldnt tell they were lying?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 16, 2013, 03:41:16 PM
Rumor: 76ers are close to acquiring Josh Smith

Thats a pretty fun combo.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 16, 2013, 03:48:40 PM
If a trade goes through that results in one person getting one less draft pick, can we sign free agents at the end of the draft to round out our roster?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 03:49:33 PM
If a trade goes through that results in one person getting one less draft pick, can we sign free agents at the end of the draft to round out our roster?

Yes
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 16, 2013, 03:55:50 PM
Bradley on the block, kgs not untradeable but id have to be absolutely blown away.

Cuz of bradleys contract id need a kept player or an early first.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 16, 2013, 04:00:38 PM
If a trade goes through that results in one person getting one less draft pick, can we sign free agents at the end of the draft to round out our roster?

Yes

I think we'll need an official ruling on this. In past drafts, we've allowed and disallowed such trades.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 16, 2013, 04:02:00 PM
If a trade goes through that results in one person getting one less draft pick, can we sign free agents at the end of the draft to round out our roster?

Yes

I think we'll need an official ruling on this. In past drafts, we've allowed and disallowed such trades.

Roy says we may and we may not. In the proposed trade, both teams still have at least 12 players+picks, so it should be fine either way.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 04:17:03 PM
If a trade goes through that results in one person getting one less draft pick, can we sign free agents at the end of the draft to round out our roster?

Yeah, I'm curious about this too.  I kind of like the idea of having a short FA period after the draft.  Would make completing trades easier (I think).
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 16, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
(http://www.digitaljournal.com/image/140742)

Portland is happy to announce a sponsorship deal with Tim Hortons. If the team breaks 110 in scoring, everybody gets a box of Priestlys.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 16, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
If a trade goes through that results in one person getting one less draft pick, can we sign free agents at the end of the draft to round out our roster?

Yeah, I'm curious about this too.  I kind of like the idea of having a short FA period after the draft.  Would make completing trades easier (I think).

How would you do the order for free agents though. It'd basically need to just turn into more voting or else its just a free for all
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 04:41:22 PM
If a trade goes through that results in one person getting one less draft pick, can we sign free agents at the end of the draft to round out our roster?

Yeah, I'm curious about this too.  I kind of like the idea of having a short FA period after the draft.  Would make completing trades easier (I think).

No free agents.

Teams need to have at least 12 players, and a max of 13 (non-overseas) players.

Teams with 12 players will be assessed a $490k roster charge.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 04:57:50 PM
Anyone down for doing a 4 team trade?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 16, 2013, 04:59:25 PM
Anyone down for doing a 4 team trade?

If it lands me another big to put alongside kg...
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 16, 2013, 05:47:56 PM
Anyone down for doing a 4 team trade?

I'll wheel and deal
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 16, 2013, 05:51:32 PM
Anyone down for doing a 4 team trade?

I'll wheel and deal

Sounds fun
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 16, 2013, 06:30:43 PM
If a trade goes through that results in one person getting one less draft pick, can we sign free agents at the end of the draft to round out our roster?

Yeah, I'm curious about this too.  I kind of like the idea of having a short FA period after the draft.  Would make completing trades easier (I think).

No free agents.

Teams need to have at least 12 players, and a max of 13 (non-overseas) players.

Teams with 12 players will be assessed a $490k roster charge.

Might I make a general recommendation that traders then match picks? I.e. don't trade two picks for one, instead trade two picks for one pick and one last-rounder.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 16, 2013, 06:40:57 PM
Just putting it out there that Lucky and I are always willing to listen to deals, I mean unless its crap then we send Celine Dion to your house to serenade you.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2013, 06:56:33 PM
If a trade goes through that results in one person getting one less draft pick, can we sign free agents at the end of the draft to round out our roster?

Yeah, I'm curious about this too.  I kind of like the idea of having a short FA period after the draft.  Would make completing trades easier (I think).

No free agents.

Teams need to have at least 12 players, and a max of 13 (non-overseas) players.

Teams with 12 players will be assessed a $490k roster charge.

Might I make a general recommendation that traders then match picks? I.e. don't trade two picks for one, instead trade two picks for one pick and one last-rounder.

I don't particularly like that rule.  We tried that one year, and I felt that it limited GMs' creativity.  Rather, I'd prefer to let GMs figure out how to balance their rosters properly.

As a "best practices" thing I don't mind it, but I don't want it to be a hard and fast rule.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 08:14:26 PM
RUMOR: Josh Smith to 76ers might be done by the end of the night
Note: Does not include Jrue Holiday going to Atlanta
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 16, 2013, 08:50:45 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz   :-\
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 16, 2013, 08:59:45 PM
Jrue Holiday says he is going to win the Taco Bell Skills challenge
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 16, 2013, 09:32:36 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz   :-\

Ok, to bring up the excitement, our 9th for your 1st and we throw in autographed pictures of Brian Addams and Red Green.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 16, 2013, 11:17:15 PM
(http://need4sheed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/greg_monroe-andre_drummond.jpg?2bf7cb)


You don't have to save us Dwight, we're right here.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 16, 2013, 11:18:13 PM
Jrue Holiday says he is going to win the Taco Bell Skills challenge

Too bad for him.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 16, 2013, 11:37:58 PM
OJ Mayo and Dirk Nowitzki are both entering their names into next years dunk contest.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 16, 2013, 11:46:29 PM
Damian Lillard is using the prize money from his All-Star weekend Skills Challenge victory to open a food cart with LaMarcus Aldridge that serves marionberry pancakes a la mode until 2 AM.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 12:03:04 AM
Source: Josh Smith has been traded to the 76ers
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 12:23:38 AM
If anyone has actual trade they want to get confirmed, you can send them to moi.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 12:47:10 AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz   :-\

Ok, to bring up the excitement, our 9th for your 1st and we throw in autographed pictures of Brian Addams and Red Green.

Sure, I'll gladly take your 1st for my 9th.

And remember folks, you can't get there form here, but you sure can get here from there.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 01:33:26 AM
Damian Lillard is using the prize money from his All-Star weekend Skills Challenge victory to open a food cart with LaMarcus Aldridge that serves marionberry pancakes a la mode until 2 AM.

Andrew Bynum and Kyrie Irving are opening up a combination barber shop and Brewpub called Afropick And Roll. Or at least they were until Bynum went to Denny's and decided to play video games.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 01:51:54 AM
Damian Lillard is using the prize money from his All-Star weekend Skills Challenge victory to open a food cart with LaMarcus Aldridge that serves marionberry pancakes a la mode until 2 AM.

Andrew Bynum and Kyrie Irving are opening up a combination barber shop and Brewpub called Afropick And Roll. Or at least they were until Bynum went to Denny's and decided to play video games.

Kyrie should have know better than to let 'Drew play arcade bowling.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:21:14 AM
Andray Blatche was going to start a music career after he was messing around with a friend's guitar and stumbled upon a series of notes that inspired wonder and magic in even the most cynical of souls. He formed a band using attractive all-girl studio musicians and he wanted to call themselves 'Dray and the 10's'.

He played his awe-inspiring tune at the first of what was supposed to be a series of intimate club dates to help the band refine their sets and chemistry. He introduced the song as 'Andre's Souliloqy'. Within ten seconds someone yelled out, "THAT'S THE THEME SONG FROM JURRASIC PARK!!!"

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 07:57:38 AM
Josh Smith is already packing his bags and heading to Philly.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 08:10:02 AM
Another trade:

Hawks send
Josh Smith
2.5
4.5

76ers send
1.9
1.16
6.9

I haven't paid close enough attention to the talent on the board at #9 to determine if I like this trade.  My first inclination is to like it better for the Hawks.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 08:14:00 AM
Another trade:

Hawks send
Josh Smith
2.5
4.5

76ers send
1.9
1.16
6.9

I haven't paid close enough attention to the talent on the board at #9 to determine if I like this trade.  My first inclination is to like it better for the Hawks.

Well the way i see it is 2.5 and 4.5= 1.16 and 6.9
so its Josh for 1.9
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 08:15:26 AM
Another trade:

Hawks send
Josh Smith
2.5
4.5

76ers send
1.9
1.16
6.9

I haven't paid close enough attention to the talent on the board at #9 to determine if I like this trade.  My first inclination is to like it better for the Hawks.

Also is that the only trade you got?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 08:27:50 AM

Also is that the only trade you got?

Yes.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 08:44:08 AM
Another trade:

Hawks send
Josh Smith
2.5
4.5

76ers send
1.9
1.16
6.9

I haven't paid close enough attention to the talent on the board at #9 to determine if I like this trade.  My first inclination is to like it better for the Hawks.

I like the move for Atlanta. Not wild about Horford and Josh Smith together. Hard to find the extra firepower needed to make them title-worthy. I think restructuring around Horford and two firsts is a better prospect for Atlanta's chances.

For Philly, I think a lot will depend on that early 2nd rounder. If someone slips and they get strong value there, I think this works out well for Philly. If not, then they were probably better off sticking with the two firsts. A risky move.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 17, 2013, 09:13:59 AM
Thanks guys, I think I should be able to build a pretty good team with horfod and 3 firsts
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 10:02:40 AM
Damian Lillard is using the prize money from his All-Star weekend Skills Challenge victory to open a food cart with LaMarcus Aldridge that serves marionberry pancakes a la mode until 2 AM.

This killed me
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 10:06:59 AM
Thanks guys, I think I should be able to build a pretty good team with horfod and 3 firsts

The Sixers might've given up a wee bit too much, but I think overall it's a good trade for both teams.

I really like the Holiday - Smith pairing. Smith's basically a rich man's version of Thad Young. Lot of fun there.

Looking at my board 1.9 will be a player equal to smith or maybe a little bit less talented. But fit wise, I think it'll be MUCH, much better. And if I'm the Hawks I definitely choose to build around Horford.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 10:13:08 AM
Also, you guys, just cuz a player is a good slam dunker doesn't mean he's a good NBA player. So stay the heck away from Terrence Ross, OK?!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 17, 2013, 10:20:56 AM
Also, you guys, just cuz a player is a good slam dunker doesn't mean he's a good NBA player. So stay the heck away from Terrence Ross, OK?!

Oh I'll draft him. I really will. I liked his game ever since I saw him play in Washington.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 17, 2013, 10:26:45 AM
Also, you guys, just cuz a player is a good slam dunker doesn't mean he's a good NBA player. So stay the heck away from Terrence Ross, OK?!

He's on my board for the first round so you better act fast.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 11:15:38 AM
Also, you guys, just cuz a player is a good slam dunker doesn't mean he's a good NBA player. So stay the heck away from Terrence Ross, OK?!

He's on my board for the first round so you better act fast.

Ha, I probably can't take the kid. Wouldn't be a good fit for Bradley, but I do love his game. Wanted to root for him last night, but ended up rooting for the thing to end quickly so I could play Streets of Rage
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 11:19:29 AM
Great trade for Atlanta. They already had the 5th pick and now the 9th and 16th while simultaneously getting rid of Smith.

First 16 picks are going to have the most transcendental stars as well as the biggest bargains for talent in the draft.

Rondo made the right move and got the best out of this trade. Question for ronaldo, what is so special about Josh Smith to give up those first rounders? Are you really better off now that Bynum and your first rounder are gone or with Smith and no first rounders?

I'm leaning towards rather having Bynum because I just don't see Philly as being a contending team and think building towards next year would be better, but maybe not. What's everyone else think?

Was Philly better off Bynum/Holiday/original picks or Smith/Holiday/3 2nd rounders? I guess an argument can be made for both.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 17, 2013, 11:25:33 AM
Atlanta is gonna be stacked.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 11:28:59 AM
Maybe it's just cuz this is the first time I've drafted in the second half of the Pick 2 draft, but anyone else feel like there's less good players available?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 11:31:42 AM
Maybe it's just cuz this is the first time I've drafted in the second half of the Pick 2 draft, but anyone else feel like there's less good players available?
Its about the same, and I've drafted all over the Pick 2 draft.

And don't forget, players slip. Well they have in the past, this CB Draft it almost never happened but with the salary cap, I'm thinking players will slip.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 11:33:47 AM
Maybe it's just cuz this is the first time I've drafted in the second half of the Pick 2 draft, but anyone else feel like there's less good players available?
Its about the same, and I've drafted all over the Pick 2 draft.

And don't forget, players slip. Well they have in the past, this CB Draft it almost never happened but with the salary cap, I'm thinking players will slip.

same here
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 11:37:19 AM
Great trade for Atlanta. They already had the 5th pick and now the 9th and 16th while simultaneously getting rid of Smith.

First 16 picks are going to have the most transcendental stars as well as the biggest bargains for talent in the draft.

Rondo made the right move and got the best out of this trade. Question for ronaldo, what is so special about Josh Smith to give up those first rounders? Are you really better off now that Bynum and your first rounder are gone or with Smith and no first rounders?

I'm leaning towards rather having Bynum because I just don't see Philly as being a contending team and think building towards next year would be better, but maybe not. What's everyone else think?

Was Philly better off Bynum/Holiday/original picks or Smith/Holiday/3 2nd rounders? I guess an argument can be made for both.

I think Ronaldo did pretty well on the Bynum deal.  Bynum has great skills, but he's had major injuries in 5 out of 6 seasons, including missing every game this year.  How can any team realistically rely upon him for anything?  Plus, he's a punk.

In the Smith deal, I don't know because I haven't mapped out the non-keepers left over.  It all depends upon what's left over at #9.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
Great trade for Atlanta. They already had the 5th pick and now the 9th and 16th while simultaneously getting rid of Smith.

First 16 picks are going to have the most transcendental stars as well as the biggest bargains for talent in the draft.

Rondo made the right move and got the best out of this trade. Question for ronaldo, what is so special about Josh Smith to give up those first rounders? Are you really better off now that Bynum and your first rounder are gone or with Smith and no first rounders?

I'm leaning towards rather having Bynum because I just don't see Philly as being a contending team and think building towards next year would be better, but maybe not. What's everyone else think?

Was Philly better off Bynum/Holiday/original picks or Smith/Holiday/3 2nd rounders? I guess an argument can be made for both.

I think Ronaldo did pretty well on the Bynum deal.  Bynum has great skills, but he's had major injuries in 5 out of 6 seasons, including missing every game this year.  How can any team realistically rely upon him for anything?  Plus, he's a punk.

In the Smith deal, I don't know because I haven't mapped out the non-keepers left over.  It all depends upon what's left over at #9.


it will all depend on who he drafts with 1.9, 1.16 and who i draft with 2.5 and 4.5
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 11:42:08 AM

it will all depend on who he drafts with 1.9, 1.16 and who i draft with 2.5 and 4.5

Yes and no.  If Rondo screws the pooch and drafts Greg Oden and Jason Collins in the first round, it doesn't mean it was a good trade for you. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 11:49:30 AM
Maybe it's just cuz this is the first time I've drafted in the second half of the Pick 2 draft, but anyone else feel like there's less good players available?
Yeah, I picked late in draft (last five picks) last year and was surprised how little talent was available by that late stage of the round. 2nd round too.

Very few difference makers available.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 11:54:58 AM
Thanks guys, I think I should be able to build a pretty good team with horfod and 3 firsts
I didn't even cop on to the fact you still had your own first round pick. Horford and three firsts. Wow, that is fantastic.

The fifth pick in the first round too. And the 9th. Two high first rounders. You can bring in two very strong players there. 16th should be a very good place to pick too. Mid first rounder. Strong picks.

Very much looking forward to seeing how this Atlanta team looks by end of Monday.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 11:56:44 AM
Always protect your 1st round picks like they are gold!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 17, 2013, 11:59:27 AM
Thanks guys, I think I should be able to build a pretty good team with horfod and 3 firsts
I didn't even cop on to the fact you still had your own first round pick. Horford and three firsts. Wow, that is fantastic.

The fifth pick in the first round too. And the 9th. Two high first rounders. You can bring in two very strong players there. 16th should be a very good place to pick too. Mid first rounder. Strong picks.

Very much looking forward to seeing how this Atlanta team looks by end of Monday.

Too much pressure!  I'm sure I will disappoint you haha
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 12:08:17 PM
Oh well people cant keep their word will have to re-evaluate my team and start from scratch
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 17, 2013, 12:23:17 PM
Oh well people cant keep their word will have to re-evaluate my team and start from scratch

Dramaaaa
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
Oh well people cant keep their word will have to re-evaluate my team and start from scratch

Dramaaaa

(http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/cavallari-colletti.jpg)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 12:29:05 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 12:31:12 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?

Like I said in PM, I think you look for a big who is quazi capabale offensively (a Perkins wouldn't work) and then fill your wings with shooters (preferably athletic ones)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 12:38:54 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?

Like I said in PM, I think you look for a big who is quazi capabale offensively (a Perkins wouldn't work) and then fill your wings with shooters (preferably athletic ones)
Unfortunately, that's about all that MIGHT be left by the time you draft ronaldo, Perk like bigs and one dimensional role players.

Remember something about the Pick 2 draft that is different from the CB Draft, round 2 in the Pick 2 is really round 4 in the CB Draft. By round 4 of the CB Draft, you're looking for role playing starters not difference makers.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 12:41:34 PM
Going to chat if anyone wants to talk trade
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 12:43:47 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?

Like I said in PM, I think you look for a big who is quazi capabale offensively (a Perkins wouldn't work) and then fill your wings with shooters (preferably athletic ones)

I wonder about sliding Josh Smith back to SF and putting in a Bargnani type player at PF.

If scorers aren't available, that could be a good way to boost your offense.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 12:46:53 PM
Question:

If a player makes a pick or makes a trade that puts them over the cap and the commish doesn't pick up on it what happens?

Is the pick or trade voided?
Is it allowed but all future drafting rights discontinued until a trade is made to get that team under the cap?

To avoid such things when teams start getting past 5-6 players should GMs list their salary cap numbers in the trade confirmations and draft picks to make things easier on the commish?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Rondo2287 on February 17, 2013, 12:48:26 PM
Question:

If a player makes a pick or makes a trade that puts them over the cap and the commish doesn't pick up on it what happens?

Is the pick or trade voided?
Is it allowed but all future drafting rights discontinued until a trade is made to get that team under the cap?

To avoid such things when teams start getting past 5-6 players should GMs list their salary cap numbers in the trade confirmations and draft picks to make things easier on the commish?

I think you should be allowed to make a trade that puts you over the cap as long as you are under at the end of the draft
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 12:48:49 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?
Jrue Holiday is a nice big PG with good defensive range.

A combo guard like Monta Ellis could work well alongside Holiday.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 12:49:39 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?

Like I said in PM, I think you look for a big who is quazi capabale offensively (a Perkins wouldn't work) and then fill your wings with shooters (preferably athletic ones)

I wonder about sliding Josh Smith back to SF and putting in a Bargnani type player at PF.

If scorers aren't available, that could be a good way to boost your offense.
If I'm a coach, to maximize Smith and to attempt to get him to take better shots, I would ONLY put him at PF and I would limit his outside touches. Putting Smith at SF is like giving him a green light to go ahead and jack all those outside shots that he is so inefficient at.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 17, 2013, 12:50:10 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?
Jrue Holiday is a nice big PG with good defensive range.

A combo guard like Monta Ellis could work well alongside Holiday.

Hi.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 12:53:22 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?
Jrue Holiday is a nice big PG with good defensive range.

A combo guard like Monta Ellis could work well alongside Holiday.

Hi.

Trade opportunity
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 17, 2013, 12:54:11 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?
Jrue Holiday is a nice big PG with good defensive range.

A combo guard like Monta Ellis could work well alongside Holiday.

Hi.

Trade opportunity

Sources say there's something in the works, but the Bucks want more in return ;)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 12:56:19 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?
Jrue Holiday is a nice big PG with good defensive range.

A combo guard like Monta Ellis could work well alongside Holiday.

Hi.

Trade opportunity

Sources say there's something in the works, but the Bucks want more in return ;)

Source: Monta Ellis hasnt been efficient this year and his contract is too much of a burden for what Milwaukee is asking
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 01:03:21 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?
Jrue Holiday is a nice big PG with good defensive range.

A combo guard like Monta Ellis could work well alongside Holiday.

Hi.

Trade opportunity

Sources say there's something in the works, but the Bucks want more in return ;)

Source: Monta Ellis hasnt been efficient this year and his contract is too much of a burden for what Milwaukee is asking
Monta Ellis has never been efficient. I could see your problem with spending Ellis money on an Ellis type player.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 01:06:25 PM
What type of team do you build around Jrue and Smith?
Jrue Holiday is a nice big PG with good defensive range.

A combo guard like Monta Ellis could work well alongside Holiday.

Hi.

Trade opportunity

Sources say there's something in the works, but the Bucks want more in return ;)

Source: Monta Ellis hasnt been efficient this year and his contract is too much of a burden for what Milwaukee is asking
Monta Ellis has never been efficient. I could see your problem with spending Ellis money on an Ellis type player.

Yea i know Monta has never been really efficient but i mean this year he is at .401% FG .232 3P% compared to last year that is a downgrade

He was actually efficient 07-08 but thats about it
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 01:36:09 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Oh god. I will not sit and listen to you bang the Andrew Bynum drum this whole exercise.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 01:50:55 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Oh god. I will not sit and listen to you bang the Andrew Bynum drum this whole exercise.
I have already heard one comparison beating the Tristian Thompson drum hinting he is as good as a 4 time DPOY and 4 time 20+PPG and 14+RPG player.

At least the Andrew Bynum drum beating is based on some kind of reality. ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 01:55:40 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Oh god. I will not sit and listen to you bang the Andrew Bynum drum this whole exercise.
I have already heard one comparison beating the Tristian Thompson drum hinting he is as good as a 4 time DPOY and 4 time 20+PPG and 14+RPG player.

At least the Andrew Bynum drum beating is based on some kind of reality. ;D

First of all, screw you guys.

Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

And fourth of all, I didn't say Tristan Thompson was as good as Dwight Howard. What I pointed out was that his stat line (and his play) is pretty special, and I was highlighting what is one of the more under-reported stories on the year, that likely only Jrue Holiday has a possible claim to MIP better than Thompson's.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 01:59:08 PM
Question:

If a player makes a pick or makes a trade that puts them over the cap and the commish doesn't pick up on it what happens?

I haven't decided yet.  Rules should be up sometime before drafting starts.

My inclination is to disallow the trade and to do something punitive, like take away draft picks.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 02:00:39 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Somebody regrets the Bynum trade.

If opposing GMs are smart, they will make you pay for your mistake.  (5 major injuries in the past 6 seasons.)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:01:38 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Oh god. I will not sit and listen to you bang the Andrew Bynum drum this whole exercise.
I have already heard one comparison beating the Tristian Thompson drum hinting he is as good as a 4 time DPOY and 4 time 20+PPG and 14+RPG player.

At least the Andrew Bynum drum beating is based on some kind of reality. ;D

First of all, screw you guys.

Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

And fourth of all, I didn't say Tristan Thompson was as good as Dwight Howard. What I pointed out was that his stat line (and his play) is pretty special, and I was highlighting what is one of the more under-reported stories on the year, that likely only Jrue Holiday has a possible claim to MIP better than Thompson's.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of northern New York this morning. ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 02:02:32 PM
Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

Tell me, what are Hollinger's efficiency stats for Bynum this season? ;)

(In fantasy land, I do love the idea of Bynum and Irving together.  Of course, in fantasy land I love the idea of a dominant Greg Oden and Shaun Livingston together, too.)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 02:03:02 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Oh god. I will not sit and listen to you bang the Andrew Bynum drum this whole exercise.
I have already heard one comparison beating the Tristian Thompson drum hinting he is as good as a 4 time DPOY and 4 time 20+PPG and 14+RPG player.

At least the Andrew Bynum drum beating is based on some kind of reality. ;D

First of all, screw you guys.

Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

And fourth of all, I didn't say Tristan Thompson was as good as Dwight Howard. What I pointed out was that his stat line (and his play) is pretty special, and I was highlighting what is one of the more under-reported stories on the year, that likely only Jrue Holiday has a possible claim to MIP better than Thompson's.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of northern New york this morning. ;) :D ;D

Is there a right side of Northern New York?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 17, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
Question:

If a player makes a pick or makes a trade that puts them over the cap and the commish doesn't pick up on it what happens?

I haven't decided yet.  Rules should be up sometime before drafting starts.

My inclination is to disallow the trade and to do something punitive, like take away draft picks.


How about they can not make another pick until they are under the cap?  And they can not make another trade unless it puts them back under.



Or (for the real penalty) if they are not under by the time they pick again, they lose the player with the smallest contract that puts them under the cap.  (they get an extra pick at the end of the draft)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:05:21 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Oh god. I will not sit and listen to you bang the Andrew Bynum drum this whole exercise.
I have already heard one comparison beating the Tristian Thompson drum hinting he is as good as a 4 time DPOY and 4 time 20+PPG and 14+RPG player.

At least the Andrew Bynum drum beating is based on some kind of reality. ;D

First of all, screw you guys.

Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

And fourth of all, I didn't say Tristan Thompson was as good as Dwight Howard. What I pointed out was that his stat line (and his play) is pretty special, and I was highlighting what is one of the more under-reported stories on the year, that likely only Jrue Holiday has a possible claim to MIP better than Thompson's.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of northern New york this morning. ;) :D ;D

Is there a right side of Northern New York?
Canada??
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:09:02 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Somebody regrets the Bynum trade.

If opposing GMs are smart, they will make you pay for your mistake.  (5 major injuries in the past 6 seasons.)

I wasn't going to offer Bynum to the sixers, they don't have the pieces for him, silly.

I don't regret the Bynum trade at all, other than I'm going to hate the draft Monday and Tuesday.

Had the opportunity to get an elite player to pair next to Kyrie Irving for what was fundamentally a 3rd and 4th round pick. You take that when you get it.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:13:07 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Oh god. I will not sit and listen to you bang the Andrew Bynum drum this whole exercise.
I have already heard one comparison beating the Tristian Thompson drum hinting he is as good as a 4 time DPOY and 4 time 20+PPG and 14+RPG player.

At least the Andrew Bynum drum beating is based on some kind of reality. ;D

First of all, screw you guys.

Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

And fourth of all, I didn't say Tristan Thompson was as good as Dwight Howard. What I pointed out was that his stat line (and his play) is pretty special, and I was highlighting what is one of the more under-reported stories on the year, that likely only Jrue Holiday has a possible claim to MIP better than Thompson's.
Someone woke up on the wrong side of northern New york this morning. ;) :D ;D

Is there a right side of Northern New York?
Canada??

Oddly enough, Canada is actually saving our butts right now. There are more Canadians at local restraunts and Walmart and grocery stores right now than there are NNYers.

But yes it is cold as balls up here, and I hate it. I'll love it come spring time but I absolutely hate it right now.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:13:56 PM
I think what will be easiest for Roy, and the other commishes who might have to approve trades is send in confirmations for trades like this:



Lakers send Howard and Williams($36.72 million)

Cleveland sends Bynum and Irving($22.27 million)

Lakers salary $22.27 million...cap $99.3 million

Cleveland salary $40.61 million...cap $70.1 million

That way both GMs can check each others numbers and the likelihood of a mistake lessens.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
I think what will be easiest for Roy, and the other commishes who might have to approve trades is send in confirmations for trades like this:



Lakers send Howard and Williams($36.72 million)

Cleveland sends Bynum and Irving($22.27 million)

Lakers salary $22.27 million...cap $99.3 million

Cleveland salary $40.61 million...cap $70.1 million

That way both GMs can check each others numbers and the likelihood of a mistake lessens.

Individual salaries probably help as well. This would be astounding if people actually did it though.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 02:16:30 PM
I think what will be easiest for Roy, and the other commishes who might have to approve trades is send in confirmations for trades like this:



Lakers send Howard and Williams($36.72 million)

Cleveland sends Bynum and Irving($22.27 million)

Lakers salary $22.27 million...cap $99.3 million

Cleveland salary $40.61 million...cap $70.1 million

That way both GMs can check each others numbers and the likelihood of a mistake lessens.

That is a good idea. I like that.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 02:16:35 PM
Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

Tell me, what are Hollinger's efficiency stats for Bynum this season? ;)

(In fantasy land, I do love the idea of Bynum and Irving together.  Of course, in fantasy land I love the idea of a dominant Greg Oden and Shaun Livingston together, too.)

According to Hollinger's stats, one Brook Lopez is rated out as the best center this year.  ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 17, 2013, 02:17:58 PM
The Warriors are now open to deal.  (I am grading online so I am easily distracted)


Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)





Will entertain offers for Curry but I see him as who I am building around.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:18:51 PM
Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

Tell me, what are Hollinger's efficiency stats for Bynum this season? ;)

(In fantasy land, I do love the idea of Bynum and Irving together.  Of course, in fantasy land I love the idea of a dominant Greg Oden and Shaun Livingston together, too.)

According to Hollinger's stats, one Brook Lopez is rated out as the best center this year.  ;D

Noticed that. Punched myself in the face a few times, but I didn't wake up. Must be real?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:19:19 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Somebody regrets the Bynum trade.

If opposing GMs are smart, they will make you pay for your mistake.  (5 major injuries in the past 6 seasons.)

I wasn't going to offer Bynum to the sixers, they don't have the pieces for him, silly.

I don't regret the Bynum trade at all, other than I'm going to hate the draft Monday and Tuesday.

Had the opportunity to get an elite player to pair next to Kyrie Irving for what was fundamentally a 3rd and 4th round pick. You take that when you get it.
I can understand this.

I had two elite players but they don't play well together so I decided one had to go.

That I got rid of the older player with the obnoxious contract and still was able to pick up a top 4 PG, save $10 million and increase my late 4th rounder to a mid 3rd rounder was a bonus in my eyes, because as you said, I still wanted to add another elite player and was able to. At this stage, when you don't have a top 6-7 pick in the draft, that is huge.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:21:08 PM

Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)






He's talking to you IP
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 17, 2013, 02:21:14 PM
Portland is listening to offers on Skills Champ Lillard. PM Rebus and Lucky.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 02:22:18 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Somebody regrets the Bynum trade.

If opposing GMs are smart, they will make you pay for your mistake.  (5 major injuries in the past 6 seasons.)

I wasn't going to offer Bynum to the sixers, they don't have the pieces for him, silly.

I don't regret the Bynum trade at all, other than I'm going to hate the draft Monday and Tuesday.

Had the opportunity to get an elite player to pair next to Kyrie Irving for what was fundamentally a 3rd and 4th round pick. You take that when you get it.
I can understand this.

I had two elite players but they don't play well together so I decided one had to go.

That I got rid of the older player with the obnoxious contract and still was able to pick up a top 4 PG, save $10 million and increase my late 4th rounder to a mid 3rd rounder was a bonus in my eyes, because as you said, I still wanted to add another elite player and was able to. At this stage, when you don't have a top 6-7 pick in the draft, that is huge.

I'd say we both should be happy with our deal.

I'm thrilled to have Kobe and Lopez, while still having a top 15 pick.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 17, 2013, 02:23:16 PM
Can a player who likely will not play this year be considered elite? If I draft Hakeem Olajuwon and claim he's still elite, does it make it so?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:23:33 PM
Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

Tell me, what are Hollinger's efficiency stats for Bynum this season? ;)

(In fantasy land, I do love the idea of Bynum and Irving together.  Of course, in fantasy land I love the idea of a dominant Greg Oden and Shaun Livingston together, too.)

According to Hollinger's stats, one Brook Lopez is rated out as the best center this year.  ;D

Noticed that. Punched myself in the face a few times, but I didn't wake up. Must be real?
If it says it on the internet it must be true.

Funny, I always thought the best centers in the league could average more than 7 rebounds a game though
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:24:45 PM

Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)
He's talking to you IP

Haha, yeah. I figured. The fact that he wasn't talking about a coach-killing lockerroom malcontent PG who has underperformed a max contact on a level not seen since Allan Houston was a huge tipoff.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 02:25:38 PM
I think what will be easiest for Roy, and the other commishes who might have to approve trades is send in confirmations for trades like this:



Lakers send Howard and Williams($36.72 million)

Cleveland sends Bynum and Irving($22.27 million)

Lakers salary $22.27 million...cap $99.3 million

Cleveland salary $40.61 million...cap $70.1 million

That way both GMs can check each others numbers and the likelihood of a mistake lessens.

I'd agree the onus should absolutely be on the individual GM's to keep track of their own cap number.  Seems kind of important for this excercise.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: wdleehi on February 17, 2013, 02:26:14 PM

Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)
He's talking to you IP

Haha, yeah. I figured. The fact that he wasn't talking about a coach-killing lockerroom malcontent PG who has underperformed a max contact on a level not seen since Allan Houston was a huge tipoff.


I probably don't need one of those either.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: celticpride07 on February 17, 2013, 02:26:56 PM
Willing to trade 1.1 for a player and picks or to move back a little bit. I really have to be overwhelmed to deal 1.1 though.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:26:58 PM
You know who would be great with Holiday and Smith?

Andrew Bynum. Smith is a bit of a stretch 4, and elite defensively for the position, Bynum also an elite defender and a flat-out banger. Match made in heaven.

Somebody regrets the Bynum trade.

If opposing GMs are smart, they will make you pay for your mistake.  (5 major injuries in the past 6 seasons.)

I wasn't going to offer Bynum to the sixers, they don't have the pieces for him, silly.

I don't regret the Bynum trade at all, other than I'm going to hate the draft Monday and Tuesday.

Had the opportunity to get an elite player to pair next to Kyrie Irving for what was fundamentally a 3rd and 4th round pick. You take that when you get it.
I can understand this.

I had two elite players but they don't play well together so I decided one had to go.

That I got rid of the older player with the obnoxious contract and still was able to pick up a top 4 PG, save $10 million and increase my late 4th rounder to a mid 3rd rounder was a bonus in my eyes, because as you said, I still wanted to add another elite player and was able to. At this stage, when you don't have a top 6-7 pick in the draft, that is huge.

I'd say we both should be happy with our deal.

I'm thrilled to have Kobe and Lopez, while still having a top 15 pick.
I agree. It worked out well for both of us. I just couldn't have Kobe and Dwight on the same team. Someone had to go and I was going to get my best offers early, not late, so I pulled the trigger.

Lopez is actually a good match with Kobe.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
If people need to shed salaries, other people could hold out for a better offer so its really important to stay under
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:30:18 PM

Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)
He's talking to you IP

Haha, yeah. I figured. The fact that he wasn't talking about a coach-killing lockerroom malcontent PG who has underperformed a max contact on a level not seen since Allan Houston was a huge tipoff.
Well Williams is a coach killing malcontent but I don't know about under performing a max contract to the extent you mentioned. Eddy Curry, Gilbert Arenas, Rasheed Lewis might fit better into that argument.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:30:51 PM
Funny, I always thought the best centers in the league could average more than 7 rebounds a game though

You know, I'd normally agree with you. But, between the Nets quiet success this year, Lopez's efficiency...he's not looking so bad.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 02:33:45 PM

Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)
He's talking to you IP

Haha, yeah. I figured. The fact that he wasn't talking about a coach-killing lockerroom malcontent PG who has underperformed a max contact on a level not seen since Allan Houston was a huge tipoff.
Well Williams is a coach killing malcontent but I don't know about under performing a max contract to the extent you mentioned. Eddy Curry, Gilbert Arenas, Rasheed Lewis might fit better into that argument.

Williams isnt playing so great this year
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 02:34:47 PM
I'm guessing Kyrie must have the best production (however you want to quantify that) per dollar this season.

I think I've come to accept he is already a near super-star in this league.  I just can't continue to ignore the obvious.

Just really ticked me off how little he gave my Dukies his one season there.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:35:31 PM

Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)
He's talking to you IP

Haha, yeah. I figured. The fact that he wasn't talking about a coach-killing lockerroom malcontent PG who has underperformed a max contact on a level not seen since Allan Houston was a huge tipoff.
Well Williams is a coach killing malcontent but I don't know about under performing a max contract to the extent you mentioned. Eddy Curry, Gilbert Arenas, Rasheed Lewis might fit better into that argument.

Ah, yeah...I might've skewed towards the hyperbolic there.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:43:12 PM
Funny, I always thought the best centers in the league could average more than 7 rebounds a game though

You know, I'd normally agree with you. But, between the Nets quiet success this year, Lopez's efficiency...he's not looking so bad.
This is why I think PER and other efficiency stats can be so flawed.

Let's face it the litmus test says Lopez isn't  the best center in the league. He's playing healthy and efficient but Howard, Duncan, Noah, Aldridge, Horford, KG, and Chandler are clearly better and Pekovic, Jefferson, Munroe, both Gasols and Gortat might be on the same level as Lopez.

I think Lopez is definitely having a great year but, again, this is why I think PER can be so flawed.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:47:10 PM
Funny, I always thought the best centers in the league could average more than 7 rebounds a game though

You know, I'd normally agree with you. But, between the Nets quiet success this year, Lopez's efficiency...he's not looking so bad.
This is why I think PER and other efficiency stats can be so flawed.

Let's face it the litmus test says Lopez isn't  the best center in the league. He's playing healthy and efficient but Howard, Duncan, Noah, Aldridge, Horford, KG, and Chandler are clearly better and Pekovic, Jefferson, Munroe, both Gasols and Gortat might be on the same level as Lopez.

I think Lopez is definitely having a great year but, again, this is why I think PER can be so flawed.

Well, PER favors offensive efficiency more than anything, but there is something to be said for efficiency. If you look at the SIMPLE Rating (based off production vs opposing player production on the floor, coupled with on/off the court plus-minus), Lopez is still the second center on the list, only behind Tim Duncan.

This is obviously helped by the underrated team rebounding by the Nets, but still, bears mentioning.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 02:48:58 PM

Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)
He's talking to you IP

Haha, yeah. I figured. The fact that he wasn't talking about a coach-killing lockerroom malcontent PG who has underperformed a max contact on a level not seen since Allan Houston was a huge tipoff.
Well Williams is a coach killing malcontent but I don't know about under performing a max contract to the extent you mentioned. Eddy Curry, Gilbert Arenas, Rasheed Lewis might fit better into that argument.

Williams isnt playing so great this year
Lets correct this. He isn't playing up to his standards he played in in previous years. He's still playing pretty well though. 16.7/7.8/3.3/41%/35%/85% for not having his best year is still dang good.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 02:53:44 PM
Funny, I always thought the best centers in the league could average more than 7 rebounds a game though

You know, I'd normally agree with you. But, between the Nets quiet success this year, Lopez's efficiency...he's not looking so bad.
This is why I think PER and other efficiency stats can be so flawed.

Let's face it the litmus test says Lopez isn't  the best center in the league. He's playing healthy and efficient but Howard, Duncan, Noah, Aldridge, Horford, KG, and Chandler are clearly better and Pekovic, Jefferson, Munroe, both Gasols and Gortat might be on the same level as Lopez.

I think Lopez is definitely having a great year but, again, this is why I think PER can be so flawed.

Haha, yeah...

This might be the 1st time ever I have been much of a fan of PER.  And, not that I should be giving this away, but basketball refernce tells a different story about Lopez.

In my opinion, he in the 2nd tier; behind Howard, KG, Duncan, Chandler, and equal to both Gasol's, Noah, Horford.

Not sure where to put Aldridge.  How much time does he spend at center?  Hasn't he been more effective at PF?

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 02:55:33 PM

Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)
He's talking to you IP

Haha, yeah. I figured. The fact that he wasn't talking about a coach-killing lockerroom malcontent PG who has underperformed a max contact on a level not seen since Allan Houston was a huge tipoff.
Well Williams is a coach killing malcontent but I don't know about under performing a max contract to the extent you mentioned. Eddy Curry, Gilbert Arenas, Rasheed Lewis might fit better into that argument.

Williams isnt playing so great this year
Lets correct this. He isn't playing up to his standards he played in in previous years. He's still playing pretty well though. 16.7/7.8/3.3/41%/35%/85% for not having his best year is still dang good.

That 41/35 shooting percent mark is pretty fart-noisy to me. If you wanted to look at just the eastern conference PG's, based strictly on counting stat lines and FG%, Williams is pretty solidly behind Irving, LOwry, Holiday, Rondo, and Walker and Calderon.

Now I'm not saying it makes any sense to all those guys over Williams, just that Williams is still under performing while he's still mired in this shooting slump.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Lucky17 on February 17, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
Aldridge has played some time at C these last two seasons, primarily in a small-ball lineup with an undersized/stretch PF (last year, Gerald Wallace and Nic Batum; this year, Luke Babbit).

http://www.82games.com/1213/12POR12.HTM

http://www.82games.com/1112/11POR13.HTM
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 03:00:45 PM
Second of all, I'm just picking up the beat where others have left off. I'm not the first guy to say he's the second best center in basketball. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum)

Tell me, what are Hollinger's efficiency stats for Bynum this season? ;)

(In fantasy land, I do love the idea of Bynum and Irving together.  Of course, in fantasy land I love the idea of a dominant Greg Oden and Shaun Livingston together, too.)

To add to the analogy, in a fantasy land where Allen Iverson is a willing passer.

He's the Cowardly Lion. He's got no heart for this game.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 03:01:59 PM

Would love to pick up a big man (please, no C that are currently out and have been hurt 5 of the last 6 seasons)
He's talking to you IP

Haha, yeah. I figured. The fact that he wasn't talking about a coach-killing lockerroom malcontent PG who has underperformed a max contact on a level not seen since Allan Houston was a huge tipoff.
Well Williams is a coach killing malcontent but I don't know about under performing a max contract to the extent you mentioned. Eddy Curry, Gilbert Arenas, Rasheed Lewis might fit better into that argument.

Williams isnt playing so great this year
Lets correct this. He isn't playing up to his standards he played in in previous years. He's still playing pretty well though. 16.7/7.8/3.3/41%/35%/85% for not having his best year is still dang good.

That 41/35 shooting percent mark is pretty fart-noisy to me. If you wanted to look at just the eastern conference PG's, based strictly on counting stat lines and FG%, Williams is pretty solidly behind Irving, LOwry, Holiday, Rondo, and Walker and Calderon.

Now I'm not saying it makes any sense to all those guys over Williams, just that Williams is still under performing while he's still mired in this shooting slump.
I agree. He hasn't put up the best number since arriving at the cesspool that was NJ.

But he has been playing on nagging ankle injuries this year and if he can get past that, I think this year will be much better for him given his surrounding cast.

I think he needs an off season of resting and getting into the best shape he can to get back to where he should be because from some reports, he hasn't always done whatever he could to stay in the best shape.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 03:11:24 PM
He does remind me of one of those players that could just continue this downward trend and just become irrelevant. It was a year ago people still could mention him in the same breath as CP3 and now he's being looked at with a whole new tier of PGs
He could still come back and make it but he's a big question mark to me especially on his contract
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 03:12:31 PM
He does remind me of one of those players that could just continue this downward trend and just become irrelevant. It was a year ago people still could mention him in the same breath as CP3 and now he's being looked at with a whole new tier of PGs
He could still come back and make it but he's a big question mark to me especially on his contract

Ya, this is how I feel about him too. Just a gut feeling, but I had him as an undraftable player.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 03:14:58 PM
He does remind me of one of those players that could just continue this downward trend and just become irrelevant. It was a year ago people still could mention him in the same breath as CP3 and now he's being looked at with a whole new tier of PGs
He could still come back and make it but he's a big question mark to me especially on his contract

Ya, this is how I feel about him too. Just a gut feeling, but I had him as an undraftable player.

Yup. Not quite undraftable, but not a guy I felt great about.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 03:25:19 PM
He does remind me of one of those players that could just continue this downward trend and just become irrelevant. It was a year ago people still could mention him in the same breath as CP3 and now he's being looked at with a whole new tier of PGs
He could still come back and make it but he's a big question mark to me especially on his contract

Ya, this is how I feel about him too. Just a gut feeling, but I had him as an undraftable player.

Yup. Not quite undraftable, but not a guy I felt great about.

Well, he's certainly better than Joe Johnson.  and paid less too.

I can't wait to see how far Iso-Joe falls in the draft.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 03:29:22 PM
He does remind me of one of those players that could just continue this downward trend and just become irrelevant. It was a year ago people still could mention him in the same breath as CP3 and now he's being looked at with a whole new tier of PGs
He could still come back and make it but he's a big question mark to me especially on his contract

Ya, this is how I feel about him too. Just a gut feeling, but I had him as an undraftable player.

Yup. Not quite undraftable, but not a guy I felt great about.
I don't agree. His "inefficient" shooting numbers this year are as good as or better than Jrue Holiday, Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, and a ton others.

You guys are right that Williams isn't 1A with Chris Paul and Derrick Rose anymore because of a couple poor seasons, but I think he's bouncing back this year and is still pretty easily a top 5-6 PG in the league
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
He does remind me of one of those players that could just continue this downward trend and just become irrelevant. It was a year ago people still could mention him in the same breath as CP3 and now he's being looked at with a whole new tier of PGs
He could still come back and make it but he's a big question mark to me especially on his contract

Ya, this is how I feel about him too. Just a gut feeling, but I had him as an undraftable player.

Yup. Not quite undraftable, but not a guy I felt great about.
I don't agree. His "inefficient" shooting numbers this year are as good as or better than Jrue Holiday, Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, and a ton others.

You guys are right that Williams isn't 1A with Chris Paul and Derrick Rose anymore because of a couple poor seasons, but I think he's bouncing back this year and is still pretty easily a top 5-6 PG in the league

Paul
Rose
Rondo
Irving
Holiday
Curry
Westbrook
Parker
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 03:35:36 PM
So I just finished my spreadsheet for this draft after not having one for the first time during the CB Draft.

Its got the 11 round draft with draft positions, all teams with owners listed, those teams keepers and/or current players, a list of every available player from the NBA this season, my roster with a salary cap breakdown, and a list of what I think are the top available 20 players at each position.

If you don't have one I'm more than willing to email this to you.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 03:41:13 PM
He does remind me of one of those players that could just continue this downward trend and just become irrelevant. It was a year ago people still could mention him in the same breath as CP3 and now he's being looked at with a whole new tier of PGs
He could still come back and make it but he's a big question mark to me especially on his contract

Ya, this is how I feel about him too. Just a gut feeling, but I had him as an undraftable player.

Yup. Not quite undraftable, but not a guy I felt great about.
I don't agree. His "inefficient" shooting numbers this year are as good as or better than Jrue Holiday, Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, and a ton others.

You guys are right that Williams isn't 1A with Chris Paul and Derrick Rose anymore because of a couple poor seasons, but I think he's bouncing back this year and is still pretty easily a top 5-6 PG in the league

You don't agree that I didn't feel good about Deron Williams coming into the draft?

GET OUT OF MY HEAD, DEMON!!

(Kidding, I just love when replies syntax don't really make sense)

But, I stand by Rondo and Holiday having better seasons.

Westbrook V Rondo:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=rondora01&y1=2013&p2=willide01&y2=2013

Rondo's FG% is higher, his assist to turnover is better, his rebounding is better. His TS% is lower however, so there's that.

Jrue is much closer, but his FG% and 3pt% numbers are better, he's scoring more per 36 and shooting better despite a much more demanding role on his team than Williams's, and defense is undeniably better. His assists are also higher. Williams has him in turnovers and TS%, but the TS% at least is a product of his free throw shooting.

I'm not saying Williams is having an abjectly bad year. I'm saying his year is a far cry from elite.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 04:06:10 PM
On a completely separate note an ITK who prefers to remain anonymous said dont be surprised if there's motion in Denver before the end of the day 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 17, 2013, 04:07:53 PM
So I just finished my spreadsheet for this draft after not having one for the first time during the CB Draft.

Its got the 11 round draft with draft positions, all teams with owners listed, those teams keepers and/or current players, a list of every available player from the NBA this season, my roster with a salary cap breakdown, and a list of what I think are the top available 20 players at each position.

If you don't have one I'm more than willing to email this to you.

that'd be awesome. joelougee1219@gmail.com
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 17, 2013, 04:10:03 PM
so who falls further, MKG or K. Leanard?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 04:10:43 PM
so who falls further, MKG or K. Leanard?

MKG
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 04:12:36 PM
So I just finished my spreadsheet for this draft after not having one for the first time during the CB Draft.

Its got the 11 round draft with draft positions, all teams with owners listed, those teams keepers and/or current players, a list of every available player from the NBA this season, my roster with a salary cap breakdown, and a list of what I think are the top available 20 players at each position.

If you don't have one I'm more than willing to email this to you.

that'd be awesome. joelougee1219@gmail.com
Sent it out to you. Good Luck!!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 04:15:07 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

I mean talk about Deron Williams or Kevin Durant or Kyrie Irving or Josh Smith all you want. They have been picked. But until they've been picked, we try our hardest not to talk about the other players.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 04:46:51 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 04:53:49 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 04:56:47 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

I guess you need to work on the art of talking out of both side of your mouth.

Oh wait  8)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 04:58:29 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

Then you better hold on to Tristian Thompson....
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 05:05:15 PM
You know last year I had Cleveland and picked Kyrie and Varejao and at the time, AV just went down for the season, but Cleveland had no one else worth picking.

Its not easy having a team where one of your picked players isn't even amongst the top 60 players in the league. You start off with a fairly decent handicap. For that reason I am not a big fan of the salary cap since many of these teams that have less than stellar second players also have the lowest cap to work with.

Then again this isn't a competitive exercise but still, it makes it tougher for 6-8 teams in the league.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 17, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/016/leave-britney-alone-02.jpg)

Leave IP alone.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 05:11:00 PM
So I just finished my spreadsheet for this draft after not having one for the first time during the CB Draft.

Its got the 11 round draft with draft positions, all teams with owners listed, those teams keepers and/or current players, a list of every available player from the NBA this season, my roster with a salary cap breakdown, and a list of what I think are the top available 20 players at each position.

If you don't have one I'm more than willing to email this to you.

Do me a favor and send one my way.

roy@celticsblog.com

I haven't analyzed this draft at all, and I know that you and I view most players similarly.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 05:22:13 PM
So I just finished my spreadsheet for this draft after not having one for the first time during the CB Draft.

Its got the 11 round draft with draft positions, all teams with owners listed, those teams keepers and/or current players, a list of every available player from the NBA this season, my roster with a salary cap breakdown, and a list of what I think are the top available 20 players at each position.

If you don't have one I'm more than willing to email this to you.

Do me a favor and send one my way.

roy@celticsblog.com

I haven't analyzed this draft at all, and I know that you and I view most players similarly.
Sent it out. The top players at each position aren't exactly where I would place all of them, but I couldn't send out all my secrets. For instance, I don't rate the center I have rated 4th that high. There's a bunch others like that but for the most part I think those players are amongst the best at their position
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 17, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
"So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked."

Well, if it's unwritten I suppose we can still break it?
Or should we just add it to the rules?

Unwritten rules are silly imo. Everyone should have the right to information! :P
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 05:24:26 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

Then you better hold on to Tristian Thompson....

I'm a hundred percent sincere on Thompson. I think he's got a real chance at being a 16 and 10 guy on a good team, dirty-work kinda guy. I don't think he's got a chance to be a top 3 positional guy or anything, at least without a jumpshot that gets above 40% from 15 feet.

But look at this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=thomptr01&y1=2013&p2=farieke01&y2=2013

Pretty close.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 05:29:49 PM
"So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked."

Well, if it's unwritten I suppose we can still break it?
Or should we just add it to the rules?

Unwritten rules are silly imo. Everyone should have the right to information! :P

You're new at this, so let's say its a rule. Try not to mention undrafted players. It might seem silly, but if you've got your eye on a guy, and someone else mentions the guy right before your pick, and the guy in front of you snags him, that'll get you hot.

Trust me, it sucks.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 17, 2013, 05:30:36 PM
"So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked."

Well, if it's unwritten I suppose we can still break it?
Or should we just add it to the rules?

Unwritten rules are silly imo. Everyone should have the right to information! :P

You're new at this, so let's say its a rule. Try not to mention undrafted players. It might seem silly, but if you've got your eye on a guy, and someone else mentions the guy right before your pick, and the guy in front of you snags him, that'll get you hot.

Trust me, it sucks.

I totally know what you mean, because I know I'm trying to keep some names hidden so I can get them at 1.15 ;)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 05:31:22 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

Then you better hold on to Tristian Thompson....

I'm a hundred percent sincere on Thompson. I think he's got a real chance at being a 16 and 10 guy on a good team, dirty-work kinda guy. I don't think he's got a chance to be a top 3 positional guy or anything, at least without a jumpshot that gets above 40% from 15 feet.

But look at this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=thomptr01&y1=2013&p2=farieke01&y2=2013

Pretty close.

Very close but Faried has the FG% and an image of a workhouse and a flat out animal that puts him further over the top
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 05:33:55 PM
Jrue Holiday and Josh Smith on trade block
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 05:37:16 PM
So I just finished my spreadsheet for this draft after not having one for the first time during the CB Draft.

Its got the 11 round draft with draft positions, all teams with owners listed, those teams keepers and/or current players, a list of every available player from the NBA this season, my roster with a salary cap breakdown, and a list of what I think are the top available 20 players at each position.

If you don't have one I'm more than willing to email this to you.

Do me a favor and send one my way.

roy@celticsblog.com

I haven't analyzed this draft at all, and I know that you and I view most players similarly.
Sent it out. The top players at each position aren't exactly where I would place all of them, but I couldn't send out all my secrets. For instance, I don't rate the center I have rated 4th that high. There's a bunch others like that but for the most part I think those players are amongst the best at their position

Yeah, you did a nice job Nick.

I've already made a few changes, though.  I'm currently re-ordering the player rankings with some "secret" data imported from am outside source, and added player salaries.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 05:37:30 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

Then you better hold on to Tristian Thompson....

I'm a hundred percent sincere on Thompson. I think he's got a real chance at being a 16 and 10 guy on a good team, dirty-work kinda guy. I don't think he's got a chance to be a top 3 positional guy or anything, at least without a jumpshot that gets above 40% from 15 feet.

But look at this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=thomptr01&y1=2013&p2=farieke01&y2=2013

Pretty close.

Very close but Faried has the FG% and an image of a workhouse and a flat out animal that puts him further over the top
Not to mention the stats being compared have no context. Faried is on a contender doing what he is doing, Thompson is on one of the worst teams in the league. Faried is one of the more limited offensive players and worse defensive players in the league and yet Thompson numbers are worse in those areas.

They are both young and have time to develop but I think Thompson is getting a bit of hype here. Big numbers on a bad team doesn't always equate to the same thing when put on good teams. There's a bunch of players that can attest to that.

The numbers are close though.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 05:39:18 PM
So I just finished my spreadsheet for this draft after not having one for the first time during the CB Draft.

Its got the 11 round draft with draft positions, all teams with owners listed, those teams keepers and/or current players, a list of every available player from the NBA this season, my roster with a salary cap breakdown, and a list of what I think are the top available 20 players at each position.

If you don't have one I'm more than willing to email this to you.

Do me a favor and send one my way.

roy@celticsblog.com

I haven't analyzed this draft at all, and I know that you and I view most players similarly.
Sent it out. The top players at each position aren't exactly where I would place all of them, but I couldn't send out all my secrets. For instance, I don't rate the center I have rated 4th that high. There's a bunch others like that but for the most part I think those players are amongst the best at their position

Yeah, you did a nice job Nick.

I've already made a few changes, though.  I'm currently re-ordering the player rankings with some "secret" data imported from am outside source, and added player salaries.
Yeah, I am all set with the salary figures. Too much of a chore, IMHO.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 05:41:48 PM
Well if you build with him in mind I can create a team that is just going to run people into the floor
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 05:44:53 PM
So I just finished my spreadsheet for this draft after not having one for the first time during the CB Draft.

Its got the 11 round draft with draft positions, all teams with owners listed, those teams keepers and/or current players, a list of every available player from the NBA this season, my roster with a salary cap breakdown, and a list of what I think are the top available 20 players at each position.

If you don't have one I'm more than willing to email this to you.

Do me a favor and send one my way.

roy@celticsblog.com

I haven't analyzed this draft at all, and I know that you and I view most players similarly.
Sent it out. The top players at each position aren't exactly where I would place all of them, but I couldn't send out all my secrets. For instance, I don't rate the center I have rated 4th that high. There's a bunch others like that but for the most part I think those players are amongst the best at their position

Yeah, you did a nice job Nick.

I've already made a few changes, though.  I'm currently re-ordering the player rankings with some "secret" data imported from am outside source, and added player salaries.
Yeah, I am all set with the salary figures. Too much of a chore, IMHO.

As if you need to worry about it
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 05:46:31 PM
Well its also not like the you cant also take advantage of an extra 13 million either... I had no idea of these differences until this draft
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 05:53:40 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

Then you better hold on to Tristian Thompson....

I'm a hundred percent sincere on Thompson. I think he's got a real chance at being a 16 and 10 guy on a good team, dirty-work kinda guy. I don't think he's got a chance to be a top 3 positional guy or anything, at least without a jumpshot that gets above 40% from 15 feet.

But look at this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=thomptr01&y1=2013&p2=farieke01&y2=2013

Pretty close.

Very close but Faried has the FG% and an image of a workhouse and a flat out animal that puts him further over the top
Not to mention the stats being compared have no context. Faried is on a contender doing what he is doing, Thompson is on one of the worst teams in the league. Faried is one of the more limited offensive players and worse defensive players in the league and yet Thompson numbers are worse in those areas.

They are both young and have time to develop but I think Thompson is getting a bit of Jeff Green hype here. Big numbers on a bad team doesn't always equate to the same thing when put on good teams.

The numbers are close though.

Absolutely fair. Its too early to give the verdict on either guy, and caution is completely warranted when giving praise to any player on a rebuilding team.

The stats also don't really tell the whole story for Thompson there though either. If you look at how he's stepped up after (undrafted player) went down, his numbers are actually better scoring-wise (52.6% from the field, 55.5 TS%,  14.9 pts).

Thompson is getting his points through hustle, tough offensive rebounding, and elite level finishing around the rim. His defense and rebounding are both looking very, very good considering his age, and there is cause to think it can get better.

That's why I'm optimistic. He's finally caught his wave, so now he's riding it. That's why I'm hopeful. Can he do it on a contender? Who knows.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 06:34:56 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

Then you better hold on to Tristian Thompson....

I'm a hundred percent sincere on Thompson. I think he's got a real chance at being a 16 and 10 guy on a good team, dirty-work kinda guy. I don't think he's got a chance to be a top 3 positional guy or anything, at least without a jumpshot that gets above 40% from 15 feet.

But look at this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=thomptr01&y1=2013&p2=farieke01&y2=2013

Pretty close.

Very close but Faried has the FG% and an image of a workhouse and a flat out animal that puts him further over the top
Not to mention the stats being compared have no context. Faried is on a contender doing what he is doing, Thompson is on one of the worst teams in the league. Faried is one of the more limited offensive players and worse defensive players in the league and yet Thompson numbers are worse in those areas.

They are both young and have time to develop but I think Thompson is getting a bit of Jeff Green hype here. Big numbers on a bad team doesn't always equate to the same thing when put on good teams.

The numbers are close though.

Absolutely fair. Its too early to give the verdict on either guy, and caution is completely warranted when giving praise to any player on a rebuilding team.

The stats also don't really tell the whole story for Thompson there though either. If you look at how he's stepped up after (undrafted player) went down, his numbers are actually better scoring-wise (52.6% from the field, 55.5 TS%,  14.9 pts).

Thompson is getting his points through hustle, tough offensive rebounding, and elite level finishing around the rim. His defense and rebounding are both looking very, very good considering his age, and there is cause to think it can get better.

That's why I'm optimistic. He's finally caught his wave, so now he's riding it. That's why I'm hopeful. Can he do it on a contender? Who knows.
I love the way he has picked up his game since (undrafted player) went down. Very impressive.

I feel for you IP because if you didn't have to pick him, and given the state of the Cleveland team, you really did HAVE to pick him, he probably doesn't get picked until the 3rd round or later here.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 06:53:23 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

Then you better hold on to Tristian Thompson....

I'm a hundred percent sincere on Thompson. I think he's got a real chance at being a 16 and 10 guy on a good team, dirty-work kinda guy. I don't think he's got a chance to be a top 3 positional guy or anything, at least without a jumpshot that gets above 40% from 15 feet.

But look at this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=thomptr01&y1=2013&p2=farieke01&y2=2013

Pretty close.

Very close but Faried has the FG% and an image of a workhouse and a flat out animal that puts him further over the top
Not to mention the stats being compared have no context. Faried is on a contender doing what he is doing, Thompson is on one of the worst teams in the league. Faried is one of the more limited offensive players and worse defensive players in the league and yet Thompson numbers are worse in those areas.

They are both young and have time to develop but I think Thompson is getting a bit of Jeff Green hype here. Big numbers on a bad team doesn't always equate to the same thing when put on good teams.

The numbers are close though.

Absolutely fair. Its too early to give the verdict on either guy, and caution is completely warranted when giving praise to any player on a rebuilding team.

The stats also don't really tell the whole story for Thompson there though either. If you look at how he's stepped up after (undrafted player) went down, his numbers are actually better scoring-wise (52.6% from the field, 55.5 TS%,  14.9 pts).

Thompson is getting his points through hustle, tough offensive rebounding, and elite level finishing around the rim. His defense and rebounding are both looking very, very good considering his age, and there is cause to think it can get better.

That's why I'm optimistic. He's finally caught his wave, so now he's riding it. That's why I'm hopeful. Can he do it on a contender? Who knows.
I love the way he has picked up his game since (undrafted player) went down. Very impressive.

I feel for you IP because if you didn't have to pick him, and given the state of the Cleveland team, you really did HAVE to pick him, he probably doesn't get picked until the 3rd round or later here.

I think the third round is a bit too late. If it went down like that..yikes. He's got the 14th best rebounding rate among 4's, 15th best PER among starting 4's, and the 15th best EWA among all power forwards. And that's factoring in his entire year, which started pretty slow. If a guy who is getting 15 and 10 over the last 2 months makes it to the 3rd round (which is really the 5th round), we're all doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 06:55:19 PM
You know last year I had Cleveland and picked Kyrie and Varejao and at the time, AV just went down for the season, but Cleveland had no one else worth picking.

Its not easy having a team where one of your picked players isn't even amongst the top 60 players in the league. You start off with a fairly decent handicap. For that reason I am not a big fan of the salary cap since many of these teams that have less than stellar second players also have the lowest cap to work with.

Then again this isn't a competitive exercise but still, it makes it tougher for 6-8 teams in the league.

At the same time, I think it gives teams another option.

Let's use IP as an example:

He's got one superstar, one young player, and a pick in each round that probably prevents him from getting another elite player by traditional means.

An option for him is to build around Irving and keep his salary number down for the future. Salary gives him another way to 'win' the exercise.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 07:01:40 PM
You know last year I had Cleveland and picked Kyrie and Varejao and at the time, AV just went down for the season, but Cleveland had no one else worth picking.

Its not easy having a team where one of your picked players isn't even amongst the top 60 players in the league. You start off with a fairly decent handicap. For that reason I am not a big fan of the salary cap since many of these teams that have less than stellar second players also have the lowest cap to work with.

Then again this isn't a competitive exercise but still, it makes it tougher for 6-8 teams in the league.

At the same time, I think it gives teams another option.

Let's use IP as an example:

He's got one superstar, one young player, and a pick in each round that probably prevents him from getting another elite player by traditional means.

An option for him is to build around Irving and keep his salary number down for the future. Salary gives him another way to 'win' the exercise.

WEnt out, got Andrew Bynum. Shoot for the moon, you'll land among the stars.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 07:10:35 PM
You know last year I had Cleveland and picked Kyrie and Varejao and at the time, AV just went down for the season, but Cleveland had no one else worth picking.

Its not easy having a team where one of your picked players isn't even amongst the top 60 players in the league. You start off with a fairly decent handicap. For that reason I am not a big fan of the salary cap since many of these teams that have less than stellar second players also have the lowest cap to work with.

Then again this isn't a competitive exercise but still, it makes it tougher for 6-8 teams in the league.

At the same time, I think it gives teams another option.

Let's use IP as an example:

He's got one superstar, one young player, and a pick in each round that probably prevents him from getting another elite player by traditional means.

An option for him is to build around Irving and keep his salary number down for the future. Salary gives him another way to 'win' the exercise.

WEnt out, got Andrew Bynum. Shoot for the moon, you'll land among the stars.

-JD & The Straight Shot
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 07:13:53 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

Then you better hold on to Tristian Thompson....

I'm a hundred percent sincere on Thompson. I think he's got a real chance at being a 16 and 10 guy on a good team, dirty-work kinda guy. I don't think he's got a chance to be a top 3 positional guy or anything, at least without a jumpshot that gets above 40% from 15 feet.

But look at this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=thomptr01&y1=2013&p2=farieke01&y2=2013

Pretty close.

Very close but Faried has the FG% and an image of a workhouse and a flat out animal that puts him further over the top
Not to mention the stats being compared have no context. Faried is on a contender doing what he is doing, Thompson is on one of the worst teams in the league. Faried is one of the more limited offensive players and worse defensive players in the league and yet Thompson numbers are worse in those areas.

They are both young and have time to develop but I think Thompson is getting a bit of Jeff Green hype here. Big numbers on a bad team doesn't always equate to the same thing when put on good teams.

The numbers are close though.

Absolutely fair. Its too early to give the verdict on either guy, and caution is completely warranted when giving praise to any player on a rebuilding team.

The stats also don't really tell the whole story for Thompson there though either. If you look at how he's stepped up after (undrafted player) went down, his numbers are actually better scoring-wise (52.6% from the field, 55.5 TS%,  14.9 pts).

Thompson is getting his points through hustle, tough offensive rebounding, and elite level finishing around the rim. His defense and rebounding are both looking very, very good considering his age, and there is cause to think it can get better.

That's why I'm optimistic. He's finally caught his wave, so now he's riding it. That's why I'm hopeful. Can he do it on a contender? Who knows.
I love the way he has picked up his game since (undrafted player) went down. Very impressive.

I feel for you IP because if you didn't have to pick him, and given the state of the Cleveland team, you really did HAVE to pick him, he probably doesn't get picked until the 3rd round or later here.

I think the third round is a bit too late. If it went down like that..yikes. He's got the 14th best rebounding rate among 4's, 15th best PER among starting 4's, and the 15th best EWA among all power forwards. And that's factoring in his entire year, which started pretty slow. If a guy who is getting 15 and 10 over the last 2 months makes it to the 3rd round (which is really the 5th round), we're all doing something wrong.
So statistically, he's what you would consider around the 15th best PF. Let's be real. He isn't.

Still let's say he is.

Top 15 players at each position X 5 positions = 75 players.

Only 56 can be saved. Of those 56 there's probably 10 minimum(not including Thompson) that don't belong in the top 75 players.

That means 46 of the top 75 players were chosen leaving 29. If all those players are chosen ahead of Thompson, like they should be, then the best Thompson should be drafted would be top of the 2nd round.

I don't see that.

Name recognition, age, lack of experience, lack of decent sample size of quality performance,and horrible offensive inefficiency probably make him more what I thought: a 3rd rounder at best.

Now, if he does this the rest of the year and into next, I'll buy he's a top 100 or so player.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 07:26:35 PM
I got 33 guys ahead of Thompson at PF
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
So that you new guys know, it is an unwritten rule during these drafts not to talk about players that haven't been drafted or picked.

Fair enough, makes sense.

I could easily see people trying to intentionally play down a players value to cause them to fall in the draft.  Or on the other hand, talk up a players value, tricking someone else into drafting a player too soon.

A little underhanded I suppose.

The tricky thing about playing down a player's value is that eventually, you might end up having to defend them. So if you play down a player's value (like for instance, if this draft were competitive, and I faced the Sixers in the first round of the playoffs with a team built around Kyrie Irving as its best player, I'd be pretty screwed.*


*For those new or forgetful, I dramatically played up Jrue Holiday's seemingly superman-like ability to defend Kyrie Irving this past summer in the CB Draft.

Then you better hold on to Tristian Thompson....

I'm a hundred percent sincere on Thompson. I think he's got a real chance at being a 16 and 10 guy on a good team, dirty-work kinda guy. I don't think he's got a chance to be a top 3 positional guy or anything, at least without a jumpshot that gets above 40% from 15 feet.

But look at this:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=thomptr01&y1=2013&p2=farieke01&y2=2013

Pretty close.

Very close but Faried has the FG% and an image of a workhouse and a flat out animal that puts him further over the top
Not to mention the stats being compared have no context. Faried is on a contender doing what he is doing, Thompson is on one of the worst teams in the league. Faried is one of the more limited offensive players and worse defensive players in the league and yet Thompson numbers are worse in those areas.

They are both young and have time to develop but I think Thompson is getting a bit of Jeff Green hype here. Big numbers on a bad team doesn't always equate to the same thing when put on good teams.

The numbers are close though.

Absolutely fair. Its too early to give the verdict on either guy, and caution is completely warranted when giving praise to any player on a rebuilding team.

The stats also don't really tell the whole story for Thompson there though either. If you look at how he's stepped up after (undrafted player) went down, his numbers are actually better scoring-wise (52.6% from the field, 55.5 TS%,  14.9 pts).

Thompson is getting his points through hustle, tough offensive rebounding, and elite level finishing around the rim. His defense and rebounding are both looking very, very good considering his age, and there is cause to think it can get better.

That's why I'm optimistic. He's finally caught his wave, so now he's riding it. That's why I'm hopeful. Can he do it on a contender? Who knows.
I love the way he has picked up his game since (undrafted player) went down. Very impressive.

I feel for you IP because if you didn't have to pick him, and given the state of the Cleveland team, you really did HAVE to pick him, he probably doesn't get picked until the 3rd round or later here.

I think the third round is a bit too late. If it went down like that..yikes. He's got the 14th best rebounding rate among 4's, 15th best PER among starting 4's, and the 15th best EWA among all power forwards. And that's factoring in his entire year, which started pretty slow. If a guy who is getting 15 and 10 over the last 2 months makes it to the 3rd round (which is really the 5th round), we're all doing something wrong.
So statistically, he's what you would consider around the 15th best PF. Let's be real. He isn't.

Still let's say he is.

Top 15 players at each position X 5 positions = 75 players.

Only 56 can be saved. Of those 56 there's probably 10 minimum(not including Thompson) that don't belong in the top 75 players.

That means 46 of the top 75 players were chosen leaving 29. If all those players are chosen ahead of Thompson, like they should be, then the best Thompson should be drafted would be top of the 2nd round.

I don't see that.

Name recognition, age, lack of experience, lack of decent sample size of quality performance,and horrible offensive inefficiency probably make him more what I thought: a 3rd rounder at best.

Now, if he does this the rest of the year and into next, I'll buy he's a top 100 or so player.

Horrible offensive inefficiency? Based on what kimosbe?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 07:32:15 PM
I got 33 guys ahead of Thompson at PF
I would have 25 ahead of him, another 5-6 on the exact same level as Thompson.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 07:40:15 PM

Horrible offensive inefficiency? Based on what kimosbe?
How about a TS% below 50% for his career before that guy that got hurt went down? How about a FG% below 46% before that guy went down? How about a career FT% of 60%?

Anyone else want to label that horrible offensive efficiency for a 6'9" PF? He's a PF that takes nearly 10 shots a game to average 11 points!!!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 07:44:16 PM

Horrible offensive inefficiency? Based on what kimosbe?
How about a TS% below 50% for his career before that guy that got hurt went down? How about a FG% below 46% before that guy went down? How about a career FT% of 60%?

Anyone else want to label that horrible offensive efficiency for a 6'9" PF? He's a PF that takes nearly 10 shots a game to average 11 points!!!

Get eeeeeemmmm
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 08:07:33 PM
I got 33 guys ahead of Thompson at PF
I would have 25 ahead of him, another 5-6 on the exact same level as Thompson.

I have Thompson as a liability as a starting PF in all but a few situations, or, as a middle of the pack backup PF if used off the bench. 

I don't think Thompson would play well with Bynum. His scoring numbers have gone up lately because he plays with a jump-shooting center freeing up space in the paint for Thompson as a finisher. Take away that space and make him play more time 10-15 feet from the basket and his scoring efficiency will go back down again. Spacing is going to be difficult for the team as a whole with those two on the floor together.

I would bench him (15mpg backup) or trade him.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 08:16:54 PM
Things have gotten eerily quiet on the boards... Big things in the works or everyone willing to hold out until tomorrows picks??
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 08:21:24 PM
I got 33 guys ahead of Thompson at PF
I would have 25 ahead of him, another 5-6 on the exact same level as Thompson.

I have Thompson as a liability as a starting PF in all but a few situations, or, as a middle of the pack backup PF if used off the bench. 

I don't think Thompson would play well with Bynum. His scoring numbers have gone up lately because he plays with a jump-shooting center freeing up space in the paint for Thompson as a finisher. Take away that space and make him play more time 10-15 feet from the basket and his scoring efficiency will go back down again. Spacing is going to be difficult for the team as a whole with those two on the floor together.

I would bench him (15mpg backup) or trade him.
Yeah, I wasn't even considering what having others around him would do to his play. I agree that he isn't a good match with Bynum. He would match up much better with a KG type, strong inside defensively but a stretch big on offense.

I was actually discussing a trade for a young PF that rebounds well and has mostly inside offensive game and then considered he probably would be a bad match for Howard and pulled out.

Although, having Irving, one of the two or three best overall shooters in the game, as a PG really mitigates having to have a stretch 4 next to Bynum for spacing, as defenses would have to guard against Irving walking up and taking a bunch of open jumpers if they closed in on the bigs. Its possible to have two down low offensive guys if you have good shooters in your three other positions and Irving at PG is probably the best shooting PG you can find.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 08:29:37 PM

Horrible offensive inefficiency? Based on what kimosbe?
How about a TS% below 50% for his career before that guy that got hurt went down? How about a FG% below 46% before that guy went down? How about a career FT% of 60%?

Anyone else want to label that horrible offensive efficiency for a 6'9" PF? He's a PF that takes nearly 10 shots a game to average 11 points!!!

Ha. So you're excluding all the games where the team demanded that he step up his level of play and elevate his game.

Hmmm...now I see the type of analysis that led you to trade for Deron Williams and keep Howard over Kobe..
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 08:34:50 PM
Hmmm...now I see the type of analysis that led you to trade for Deron Williams and keep Howard over Kobe..

The knives are out...
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 08:38:18 PM
Why is IP getting so much hate this draft?  :o
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 08:44:00 PM
Hmmm...now I see the type of analysis that led you to trade for Deron Williams and keep Howard over Kobe..

The knives are out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S3LxVXVP8M
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 08:45:04 PM

Horrible offensive inefficiency? Based on what kimosbe?
How about a TS% below 50% for his career before that guy that got hurt went down? How about a FG% below 46% before that guy went down? How about a career FT% of 60%?

Anyone else want to label that horrible offensive efficiency for a 6'9" PF? He's a PF that takes nearly 10 shots a game to average 11 points!!!

Ha. So you're excluding all the games where the team demanded that he step up his level of play and elevate his game.

Hmmm...now I see the type of analysis that led you to trade for Deron Williams and keep Howard over Kobe..
Okay let me add those games back in. Thompson's career stats, even those games where his team demanded him to step up and perform, because Lord knows the Cavs weren't expecting him to step up and perform before someone got hurt, are:

47% FG%
0% 3PT%
59.9% FT%
50.1% TS%

Sorry people, I didn't mean to mislead you into thinking his offense was as bad as I stated. It's a miniscule better than I let on.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 08:50:01 PM
Why is IP getting so much hate this draft?  :o
You're right. We have already dissected Deron Williams and Tristan Thompson. Let's talk about Josh Smith and all his limitations.... ;D

Besides, if we talk about IP's team now, its just that much less we have to do it later, hopefully ;) :D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Roy H. on February 17, 2013, 08:56:32 PM

Horrible offensive inefficiency? Based on what kimosbe?
How about a TS% below 50% for his career before that guy that got hurt went down? How about a FG% below 46% before that guy went down? How about a career FT% of 60%?

Anyone else want to label that horrible offensive efficiency for a 6'9" PF? He's a PF that takes nearly 10 shots a game to average 11 points!!!

Ha. So you're excluding all the games where the team demanded that he step up his level of play and elevate his game.

Hmmm...now I see the type of analysis that led you to trade for Deron Williams and keep Howard over Kobe..
Okay let me add those games back in. Thompson's career stats, even those games where his team demanded him to step up and perform, because Lord knows the Cavs weren't expecting him to step up and perform before someone got hurt, are:

47% FG%
0% 3PT%
59.9% FT%
50.1% TS%

Sorry people, I didn't mean to mislead you into thinking his offense was as bad as I stated. It's a miniscule better than I let on.

In fairness, with young guys it doesn't always make a lot of sense to look at career numbers. 

Thompson gets credit for his recent play.  He's been producing pretty well, and his team has actually won more games with Zeller starting than it did with Varejao.  That's partially because Thompson has stepped up.

(That's the last nice thing I say about IP's team this year, unless it's to pimp Kyrie.)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 08:59:13 PM
Getting hot in here

Me likey!!!

Hopefully ya'll keep your clothes on though.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
Getting hot in here

me likely!!!

Hopefully ya'll keep you clothes on though.

You likely?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 09:05:56 PM

Horrible offensive inefficiency? Based on what kimosbe?
How about a TS% below 50% for his career before that guy that got hurt went down? How about a FG% below 46% before that guy went down? How about a career FT% of 60%?

Anyone else want to label that horrible offensive efficiency for a 6'9" PF? He's a PF that takes nearly 10 shots a game to average 11 points!!!

Ha. So you're excluding all the games where the team demanded that he step up his level of play and elevate his game.

Hmmm...now I see the type of analysis that led you to trade for Deron Williams and keep Howard over Kobe..
Okay let me add those games back in. Thompson's career stats, even those games where his team demanded him to step up and perform, because Lord knows the Cavs weren't expecting him to step up and perform before someone got hurt, are:

47% FG%
0% 3PT%
59.9% FT%
50.1% TS%

Sorry people, I didn't mean to mislead you into thinking his offense was as bad as I stated. It's a miniscule better than I let on.

In fairness, with young guys it doesn't always make a lot of sense to look at career numbers. 

Thompson gets credit for his recent play.  He's been producing pretty well, and his team has actually won more games with Zeller starting than it did with Varejao.  That's partially because Thompson has stepped up.

(That's the last nice thing I say about IP's team this year, unless it's to pimp Kyrie.)
Very true.

And again, this just goes back to defending what I thought was an innocuous claim that Thompson was a third rounder in this draft. I actually think he has a very good upside, like a certain rookie on the Celtics that will go un-named. I just don't think right now, he's great or his offense is that good.

And BTW, there's no malice here, just stating what I think.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 09:06:45 PM
Getting hot in here

me likely!!!

Hopefully ya'll keep you clothes on though.

You likely?

Oh boy, the spelling police are out. ::)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: nickagneta on February 17, 2013, 09:08:43 PM
Getting hot in here

me likely!!!

Hopefully ya'll keep you clothes on though.

You likely?

Oh boy, the spelling police are out. ::)
I think he just misunderstood the "me likely" not realizing you meant "me likey" meaning you liked the back and forth.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 09:11:22 PM
Getting hot in here

me likely!!!

Hopefully ya'll keep you clothes on though.

You likely?

Oh boy, the spelling police are out. ::)
I think he just misunderstood the "me likely" not realizing you meant "me likey" meaning you liked the back and forth.

oh ok yea it didnt make any sense thats why i asked
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 09:13:04 PM
Getting hot in here

me likely!!!

Hopefully ya'll keep you clothes on though.

You likely?

Oh boy, the spelling police are out. ::)
I think he just misunderstood the "me likely" not realizing you meant "me likey" meaning you liked the back and forth.

Well I can promise you I'll be keeping MY clothes on.  :o
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 09:13:25 PM
Why is IP getting so much hate this draft?  :o

Perfect storm, really.

Two controversial picks - Bynum, who is a huge physical specimen. A great post defender, and he's offensively intelligent in that he knows his offensive limitations (he smartly always runs right to the tin in transition and aside from an occasional 3 pt attempt, generally sticks to what he's good at). On the other hand, he's injury prone and there's some evidence to support the fact that Bynum really just doesn't care much.

Thompsons one of those guys where the eye says one thing, and the stats say another. The stats support that he's a really good young player, but the eyes see someone who looks like he sucks (and might be getting numbers just being on a bad team).

And on top of that IP's a great politician. So I think some people are probably being proactive before the IP spin machine starts throwing out statistical links that I never click on.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 09:15:59 PM

Horrible offensive inefficiency? Based on what kimosbe?
How about a TS% below 50% for his career before that guy that got hurt went down? How about a FG% below 46% before that guy went down? How about a career FT% of 60%?

Anyone else want to label that horrible offensive efficiency for a 6'9" PF? He's a PF that takes nearly 10 shots a game to average 11 points!!!

Ha. So you're excluding all the games where the team demanded that he step up his level of play and elevate his game.

Hmmm...now I see the type of analysis that led you to trade for Deron Williams and keep Howard over Kobe..
Okay let me add those games back in. Thompson's career stats, even those games where his team demanded him to step up and perform, because Lord knows the Cavs weren't expecting him to step up and perform before someone got hurt, are:

47% FG%
0% 3PT%
59.9% FT%
50.1% TS%

Sorry people, I didn't mean to mislead you into thinking his offense was as bad as I stated. It's a miniscule better than I let on.

Well, Id say he had a tough rookie season adapting as a big man to the NBA game (like just about all big men), and is starting to show his promise this year. And this year, over 53 games and an admittedly slow start, he's got a better true shooting % than LaMarcus Aldridge.

Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 09:21:05 PM
Why is IP getting so much hate this draft?  :o

Perfect storm, really.

Two controversial picks - Bynum, who is a huge physical specimen. A great post defender, and he's offensively intelligent in that he knows his offensive limitations (he smartly always runs right to the tin in transition and aside from an occasional 3 pt attempt, generally sticks to what he's good at). On the other hand, he's injury prone and there's some evidence to support the fact that Bynum really just doesn't care much.

Thompsons one of those guys where the eye says one thing, and the stats say another. The stats support that he's a really good young player, but the eyes see someone who looks like he sucks (and might be getting numbers just being on a bad team).

And on top of that IP's a great politician. So I think some people are probably being proactive before the IP spin machine starts throwing out statistical links that I never click on.

lol at the last part ;D
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 09:21:26 PM
I think the people I'm most scared of are the ones that havent said a word yet and are just waiting in the wings... the next few days are going to be really interesting
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 09:28:12 PM
I think right now, the most interesting thing I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out is Rondo's Hawks.

I mean, THREE 1st round picks?  How does that even happen?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 09:29:46 PM
On the earlier discussion of Deron Williams ...

Deron Williams has been playing better as of late. His scoring efficiency is up around 58% since the New Year (20 games). Well above average mark. Deron got off to a bad start but it looks like things are at least trending upwards for him.

I think there is another bump Deron's game (offensively) could see with a better coaching staff and a more skilled power forward offensively alongside Brook Lopez.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 09:32:22 PM
Quote
Thompsons one of those guys where the eye says one thing, and the stats say another. The stats support that he's a really good young player, but the eyes see someone who looks like he sucks (and might be getting numbers just being on a bad team).

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I can quote David Thorpe:

Quote
Tristan Thompson, Cavaliers | Sophomore
TT is quietly putting together a nice Most Improved Player campaign. He is learning how to finish shots, making free throws better, and playing like the athlete he was in college. He has the talent to be one of the league's top rebounders and a double-double guy for the next eight seasons. He should also be a plus defender, capable of guarding either big position as well as stretch 4s, thanks to his agility.

That was under 'Likely to make one or more all-star game', with Damian Lillard, Bradley Beal, and a player not yet selected. (The only players above are Kyrie, Anthony Davis, and Andre Drummond)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 09:36:12 PM
Quote
Thompsons one of those guys where the eye says one thing, and the stats say another. The stats support that he's a really good young player, but the eyes see someone who looks like he sucks (and might be getting numbers just being on a bad team).

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I can quote David Thorpe:

Quote
Tristan Thompson, Cavaliers | Sophomore
TT is quietly putting together a nice Most Improved Player campaign. He is learning how to finish shots, making free throws better, and playing like the athlete he was in college. He has the talent to be one of the league's top rebounders and a double-double guy for the next eight seasons. He should also be a plus defender, capable of guarding either big position as well as stretch 4s, thanks to his agility.

That was under 'Likely to make one or more all-star game', with Damian Lillard, Bradley Beal, and a player not yet selected. (The only players above are Kyrie, Anthony Davis, and Andre Drummond)

I'm not the biggest David Thorpe fan.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 09:36:50 PM
I really like Tristan Thompson's defensive potential.

Great blend of size, strength, quickness, agility and leaping ability. Physical talent is extremely impressive. Shows a strong comfort level defending face up bigs and perimeter bigs as well as the capacity to defend physical forwards in the post. Impressive range in the different types of forwards he can cover defensively.

As he gets more experience, he has a chance to become a really special defensive player.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 09:38:40 PM
Quote
Thompsons one of those guys where the eye says one thing, and the stats say another. The stats support that he's a really good young player, but the eyes see someone who looks like he sucks (and might be getting numbers just being on a bad team).

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I can quote David Thorpe:

Quote
Tristan Thompson, Cavaliers | Sophomore
TT is quietly putting together a nice Most Improved Player campaign. He is learning how to finish shots, making free throws better, and playing like the athlete he was in college. He has the talent to be one of the league's top rebounders and a double-double guy for the next eight seasons. He should also be a plus defender, capable of guarding either big position as well as stretch 4s, thanks to his agility.

That was under 'Likely to make one or more all-star game', with Damian Lillard, Bradley Beal, and a player not yet selected. (The only players above are Kyrie, Anthony Davis, and Andre Drummond)

I'm not the biggest David Thorpe fan.

Me either, but I do think at least this elevates him above 'the eye test says he sucks', no?

Well at least I'm assuming David Thorpe has watched more Tristan Thompson than either of us. I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 09:41:44 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 09:44:47 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Late first, early 2nd ... maybe a little higher to a team who needs an extra scorer badly.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 09:45:07 PM
Quote
Me either, but I do think at least this elevates him above 'the eye test says he sucks', no?

The truth is probably somewhere in between.

I really just don't care for his skillset, and I'm always wary of these undersized, wiry, athletic guys. Feels like there's just been SO many of them that have shown flashes without ever becoming truly effective.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 09:46:18 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 09:47:15 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?

Below average defender, 6 ft 3 in
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 09:47:46 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
It's Monta Ellis.

Good defender and rebounder at PG position. Liability at SG. Good passer for SG. Dodgy one for PG. 6-3 with elite athleticism.

If you can put Monta in a situation where you can minimize his negatives and optimize his strengths, he is a very valuable player. He could be really good for a few teams.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 09:48:49 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
It's Monta Ellis.

Good defender and rebounder at PG position. Liability at SG. Good passer for SG. Dodgy one for PG. 6-3 with elite athleticism.

What would you say early second?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 09:50:38 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
It's Monta Ellis.

Good defender and rebounder at PG position. Liability at SG. Good passer for SG. Dodgy one for PG. 6-3 with elite athleticism.

What would you say early second?
I think late first early second is good value.

On the right team, I think he could make sense even a bit higher in the first round. Probably be overpaying a bit but it could still work out well.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 17, 2013, 09:50:53 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
It's Monta Ellis.

Good defender and rebounder at PG position. Liability at SG. Good passer for SG. Dodgy one for PG. 6-3 with elite athleticism.

If you can put Monta in a situation where you can minimize his negatives and optimize his strengths, he is a very valuable player. He could be really good for a few teams.

I agree, Who. That's why he's on the block. For the right team, he can make the difference.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 17, 2013, 09:51:44 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
It's Monta Ellis.

Good defender and rebounder at PG position. Liability at SG. Good passer for SG. Dodgy one for PG. 6-3 with elite athleticism.

What would you say early second?
I think late first early second is good value.

On the right team, I think he could make sense even a bit higher in the first round.

Preach.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
It's Monta Ellis.

Good defender and rebounder at PG position. Liability at SG. Good passer for SG. Dodgy one for PG. 6-3 with elite athleticism.

If you can put Monta in a situation where you can minimize his negatives and optimize his strengths, he is a very valuable player. He could be really good for a few teams.

I agree, Who. That's why he's on the block. For the right team, he can make the difference.

Yup i agree also question is Who, whats is the right team for Monta as you said there is very few i mean for Monta to succeed does the team need to fit his needs?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 09:57:06 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
It's Monta Ellis.

Good defender and rebounder at PG position. Liability at SG. Good passer for SG. Dodgy one for PG. 6-3 with elite athleticism.

If you can put Monta in a situation where you can minimize his negatives and optimize his strengths, he is a very valuable player. He could be really good for a few teams.

I agree, Who. That's why he's on the block. For the right team, he can make the difference.

Yup i agree also question is Who, whats is the right team for Monta as you said there is very few i mean for Monta to succeed does the team need to fit his needs?

Someone that can

(1) Allow Monta to defend the PG position
(2) Work around his lack of PG skills offensively. Most likely either by coupling him with a big PG (who can defend SGs) or a playmaking wing (who can share ball-handling and playmaking responsibilities).

Need both elements to make Monta work at a high level.

Otherwise, Monta is best as a sixth man combo guard type.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 17, 2013, 09:57:55 PM
I'm contemplating moving TP and TD.  I'll listen to offers, but I'd need multiple picks, coupled with a young guy on a small contract.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 17, 2013, 09:59:00 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
It's Monta Ellis.

Good defender and rebounder at PG position. Liability at SG. Good passer for SG. Dodgy one for PG. 6-3 with elite athleticism.

If you can put Monta in a situation where you can minimize his negatives and optimize his strengths, he is a very valuable player. He could be really good for a few teams.

I agree, Who. That's why he's on the block. For the right team, he can make the difference.

Yup i agree also question is Who, whats is the right team for Monta as you said there is very few i mean for Monta to succeed does the team need to fit his needs?

Someone that can

(1) Allow Monta to defend the PG position
(2) Work around his lack of PG skills offensively. Most likely either by coupling him with a big PG (who can defend SGs) or a playmaking wing (who can share ball-handling and playmaking responsibilities).

Need both elements to make Monta work at a high level.

Otherwise, Monta is best as a sixth man combo guard type.

Jrue Holiday seems like a fit.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 09:59:28 PM
I'm inclined to believe for Monta to be at his best, he needs to be a PG again.  Put him next to a SG who plays D and is a solid spot up shooter.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 17, 2013, 10:01:20 PM
I'm inclined to believe for Monta to be at his best, he needs to be a PG again.  Put him next to a SG who plays D and is a solid spot up shooter.

He can be a combo guard
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 10:02:11 PM
Quote
Me either, but I do think at least this elevates him above 'the eye test says he sucks', no?

The truth is probably somewhere in between.

I really just don't care for his skillset, and I'm always wary of these undersized, wiry, athletic guys. Feels like there's just been SO many of them that have shown flashes without ever becoming truly effective.

Yeah, Im not so sure about that. I wonder which guys youre talking about. There is the baby-eater in the central conference, but his body type isn't really all that similar to thompsons. There is the pogo-stick 4/5 in Canada, but he's playing pretty well right now. There is the 3/4 in the Atlantic who is actually a 4 that I played this summer, but he's smaller than Thompson, and he's been very effective.

I guess Im not really sure who you're talking about.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 10:02:36 PM
Im really debating something so i have to ask what is the value(round-wise first, second etc.) of someone who scores 18 ppg but shoots .401%(17 shots a game and 4.6 free throws a game to get 18) and .232 3P% and earns $11 million an year?

Well, Im assuming the player is bringing more to the table. How's his defense? Rebounding? Passing? How tall is he?
It's Monta Ellis.

Good defender and rebounder at PG position. Liability at SG. Good passer for SG. Dodgy one for PG. 6-3 with elite athleticism.

If you can put Monta in a situation where you can minimize his negatives and optimize his strengths, he is a very valuable player. He could be really good for a few teams.

I agree, Who. That's why he's on the block. For the right team, he can make the difference.

Yup i agree also question is Who, whats is the right team for Monta as you said there is very few i mean for Monta to succeed does the team need to fit his needs?

Someone that can

(1) Allow Monta to defend the PG position
(2) Work around his lack of PG skills offensively. Most likely either by coupling him with a big PG (who can defend SGs) or a playmaking wing (who can share ball-handling and playmaking responsibilities).

Need both elements to make Monta work at a high level.

Otherwise, Monta is best as a sixth man combo guard type.

Jrue Holiday seems like a fit.

Monta could do a good Wade impersonation in Miami too.

Bonus points if Miami could couple Monta (PG) and LeBron (SF) with a good ball-handling, passing and jump-shooting two guard. That guy in Orlando would be perfect. 
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 10:02:56 PM
I'm inclined to believe for Monta to be at his best, he needs to be a PG again.  Put him next to a SG who plays D and is a solid spot up shooter.

He can be a combo guard

Avery Bradley would be a really good compliment for Monta.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 17, 2013, 10:03:50 PM
Wait a second... you guys are saying Monta has a LACK of point guard skills? What Monta are we looking at? O_o O.o O-o
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 17, 2013, 10:04:25 PM
Wait a second... you guys are saying Monta has a LACK of point guard skills? What Monta are we looking at? O_o O.o O-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzpUz1UJNiQ
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 10:05:43 PM
Are Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings a good combination?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 10:06:58 PM
I'm inclined to believe for Monta to be at his best, he needs to be a PG again.  Put him next to a SG who plays D and is a solid spot up shooter.

He can be a combo guard

Yes, but combo guards are 6th men types usually.  I'm inlcined to believe Monta is still a capable enough passer to be a full-time PG if he had a wing who can create his own offense.

I'm not so sure Monta would be too accpeting of a bench role.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 10:07:32 PM
Are Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings a good combination?

Have you watched a Bucks game ever?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 10:11:15 PM
Are Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings a good combination?

Have you watched a Bucks game ever?

Lol no Bucks dont come out on ESPN, NBATV, or TNT so i cant watch them
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 17, 2013, 10:12:58 PM
Are Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings a good combination?

Have you watched a Bucks game ever?

Lol no Bucks dont come out on ESPN, NBATV, or TNT so i cant watch them

That's not true, I remember Knicks vs. Bucks last year for one...
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 10:15:06 PM
Monta Ellis to me would've been a perfect compliment to the Bulls Ron Harper. The Sixers Eric Snow.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 10:15:46 PM
Are Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings a good combination?
Lacks integrity in terms of defense and rebounding.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 10:16:58 PM
Are Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings a good combination?

Have you watched a Bucks game ever?

Lol no Bucks dont come out on ESPN, NBATV, or TNT so i cant watch them

Let's just say I'm not a fan.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 10:19:36 PM
Monta Ellis to me would've been a perfect compliment to the Bulls Ron Harper. The Sixers Eric Snow.

Yeah, Eric Snow was the one guy that seemed to really allow Iverson to really do what he did best, while mitigating his deficiencies.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 10:20:52 PM
Monta Ellis to me would've been a perfect compliment to the Bulls Ron Harper. The Sixers Eric Snow.

Are you calling Monta, Jordan and Iversonesque?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 17, 2013, 10:22:44 PM
Rumor: Sixers and Celtics are interested in Duncan.  Philly also wants Parker, according to sources not named Chris Broussard or A. Sherrod Blakely.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 10:24:01 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 10:24:39 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.

hey dont hate on the new GM's
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 10:27:32 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.

Yeah, I was wondering the same myself.

What's up with all this openly discussing ongoing trade talks.

By the way, it's not all the new GM's.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 10:30:13 PM
Faried still on the block for last minute offers
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 10:31:03 PM
Oops. Wrong thread, meant for ASG thread.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 17, 2013, 10:33:25 PM
Which player gets more hate in these drafts, Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 10:33:46 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.

Yeah, I was wondering the same myself.

What's up with all this openly discussing ongoing trade talks.

By the way, it's not all the new GM's.

I think it makes sense, and I prefer it.

New GM's don't have experience, so it's harder for them to evaluate trade value. Why not go public before making a trade to gain other GM's attention?

It's far preferable to the silent ripoffs we've seen in the past.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 17, 2013, 10:34:57 PM
Monta Ellis to me would've been a perfect compliment to the Bulls Ron Harper. The Sixers Eric Snow.
I think he would be good on an uptempo team with a pass first point guard who would set him up with good slashing opportunities.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 10:35:38 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.

Yeah, I was wondering the same myself.

What's up with all this openly discussing ongoing trade talks.

By the way, it's not all the new GM's.

I think it makes sense, and I prefer it.

New GM's don't experience, so it's harder for them to evaluate trade value. Why not go public before making a trade to gain other GM's attention?

It's far preferable to the silent ripoffs we've seen in the past.

I agree and it adds drama kind of like the real NBA
we should make a thread called: Pick 2 Draft: Rumor Mill
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 10:36:06 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.

Yeah, I was wondering the same myself.

What's up with all this openly discussing ongoing trade talks.

By the way, it's not all the new GM's.

Didn't say all.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 10:37:05 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.

Yeah, I was wondering the same myself.

What's up with all this openly discussing ongoing trade talks.

By the way, it's not all the new GM's.

I think it makes sense, and I prefer it.

New GM's don't experience, so it's harder for them to evaluate trade value. Why not go public before making a trade to gain other GM's attention?

It's far preferable to the silent ripoffs we've seen in the past.

Yeah, I like it too. You know who is looking to make a move, who is available.

Hopefully, it'll limit those deals where someone only get 60c on the dollar.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 10:38:29 PM
Which player gets more hate in these drafts, Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum?

Monta
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 17, 2013, 10:40:35 PM
Which player gets more hate in these drafts, Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum?

Monta

Bynum, clearly.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 10:40:43 PM
Rumor: Celtics GM Danny Ainge has eye-gouged Spurs GM for blowing up his spot.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.

Yeah, I was wondering the same myself.

What's up with all this openly discussing ongoing trade talks.

By the way, it's not all the new GM's.

I think it makes sense, and I prefer it.

New GM's don't have experience, so it's harder for them to evaluate trade value. Why not go public before making a trade to gain other GM's attention?

It's far preferable to the silent ripoffs we've seen in the past.

I guess, from my perspective, there is a certain way to go about it.

Saying "player XYZ is on the block" or "Player XZY is close to being moved" is one thing.

Naming destinations is different.  Specifying assets is way out of bounds, except if both parties are ok with it, and the GM's really are novices and have little idea of how this works.

Again, just my opinion, and how I prefer to deal.  I don't like giving up my hand easily.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 10:41:50 PM
Which player gets more hate in these drafts, Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum?
Andrew Bynum

At least Monta is healthy and on the court playing.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 10:42:45 PM
Which player gets more hate in these drafts, Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum?

Monta

Bynum, clearly.

Yeah, I mean at least Monta actually plays.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Evantime34 on February 17, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.

Yeah, I was wondering the same myself.

What's up with all this openly discussing ongoing trade talks.

By the way, it's not all the new GM's.

I think it makes sense, and I prefer it.

New GM's don't experience, so it's harder for them to evaluate trade value. Why not go public before making a trade to gain other GM's attention?

It's far preferable to the silent ripoffs we've seen in the past.

Yeah, I like it too. You know who is looking to make a move, who is available.

Hopefully, it'll limit those deals where someone only get 60c on the dollar.
It does make some sense. However, if anyone talks trade with me in the future I would ask that you keep our discussions private.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 10:43:34 PM
New GMs blowing up everyone's spot.

Yeah, I was wondering the same myself.

What's up with all this openly discussing ongoing trade talks.

By the way, it's not all the new GM's.

I think it makes sense, and I prefer it.

New GM's don't have experience, so it's harder for them to evaluate trade value. Why not go public before making a trade to gain other GM's attention?

It's far preferable to the silent ripoffs we've seen in the past.

I guess, from my perspective, there is a certain way to go about it.

Saying "player XYZ is on the block" or "Player XZY is close to being moved" is one thing.

Naming destinations is different.  Specifying assets is way out of bounds, except if both parties are ok with it, and the GM's really are novices and have little idea of how this works.

Again, just my opinion, and how I prefer to deal.  I don't like giving up my hand easily.

Completely agree... keep it in PMs with people not on the board kinda ruins it if each trade gets dissected before it even happens
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 10:45:36 PM
Which player gets more hate in these drafts, Monta Ellis or Andrew Bynum?

Joe Billiams.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Rumor: Celtics GM Danny Ainge has eye-gouged Spurs GM for blowing up his spot.

Ha, ya. It makes sense to go public, doesn't mean I'm thrilled that someone did.

That being said, if everyone went public on 'interests' I think you might find out that more than anything I like to do my due dilligence on any 'on the block' player
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 17, 2013, 10:47:38 PM
Rumor: Ricky Rubio on the block?  ???
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 17, 2013, 10:47:53 PM
I prefer the gm just mentions who's on the block and doesn't discuss deals on the board before they go through.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 17, 2013, 10:50:22 PM
Due to multiple negative reactions, I apologize for revealing a little too much in my rumors about possible trades.  I'll keep it much more private next time.  Again, sorry to the other GMs of the teams mentioned in my posts.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 10:52:16 PM
Due to multiple negative reactions, I apologize for revealing a little too much in my rumors about possible trades.  I'll keep it much more private next time.  Again, sorry to the other GMs of the teams mentioned in my posts.

I actually kinda liked it. Made it seem like the real thing.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 10:52:36 PM
Due to multiple negative reactions, I apologize for revealing a little too much in my rumors about possible trades.  I'll keep it much more private next time.  Again, sorry to the other GMs of the teams mentioned in my posts.

I got no problem with it.

Maybe in the future before you're going to pull the trigger on a trade you say "Sources say Tim Duncan very close to being moved" to get any last second offers in it.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 17, 2013, 10:56:22 PM
Rumors say Marc Gasol has moved, but my sources are usually trying to trick me.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
Rumors say Marc Gasol has moved, but my sources are usually trying to trick me.

Oh god.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 10:58:47 PM
Rumors say Marc Gasol has moved, but my sources are usually trying to trick me.

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4212842496/h587B2D24/)
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Atzar on February 17, 2013, 10:59:18 PM
Interested in buying another first round pick.  PM me with your price.

Also listening to offers for Wall and Beal.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: RebusRankin on February 17, 2013, 11:00:21 PM
Rumors say Marc Gasol has moved, but my sources are usually trying to trick me.

Please not for Bynum.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 11:00:41 PM
Due to multiple negative reactions, I apologize for revealing a little too much in my rumors about possible trades.  I'll keep it much more private next time.  Again, sorry to the other GMs of the teams mentioned in my posts.

I got no problem with it.

Maybe in the future before you're going to pull the trigger on a trade you say "Sources say Tim Duncan very close to being moved" to get any last second offers in it.

See, that sounds like the perfect compromise to me.

Gives everyone a little "tease", possibly gets you a better value for your assets, but doesn't put the other party's business out for everyone to see.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 11:02:28 PM
Rumor=Speculation
Source=Actually close to happening


And please dont make up things like source says player X got traded
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 11:02:34 PM
Rumors say Marc Gasol has moved, but my sources are usually trying to trick me.

Please not for Bynum.

I WILL burn this board down!
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 11:04:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cksewjmh8hM .
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 11:11:18 PM
(http://sitracking.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kevin-garnett.jpg)

"let's do this"
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 11:12:19 PM
(http://sitracking.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/kevin-garnett.jpg)

"let's do this"

Tim Duncan and KG nice duo
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 11:13:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Wa3C8s3Xg

You got to make yo mind up
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 11:15:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Wa3C8s3Xg

You got to make yo mind up

So its not confirmed?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 11:18:57 PM
Pulled out of another deal so I think its nearing completion
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 11:19:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Wa3C8s3Xg

You got to make yo mind up

So its not confirmed?

"you got to make yo mind up" is a lyric from the popular mid 90's hit "Twisted" by Keith Sweat which is featured in the above video.

Waiting on Commissioner Proceed to stop stirring the Schnozberry beer in his bathtub to confirm
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 11:22:24 PM
Trade confirmed:

Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.28, 4.28

to

Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 11:24:34 PM
Trade confirmed:

Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.28, 4.28

to

Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20

Not sure that trade helps either team.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
Trade confirmed:

Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.28, 4.28

to

Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20

Wow wasnt expecting this i expected Spurs to get a 1st and a 2nd the Celtics are now contenders and Spurs are rebuilding for the future is my guess?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 17, 2013, 11:26:05 PM
Trade confirmed:

Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.28, 4.28

to

Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20

Imagine Tim Duncan and Garnett playing together in real life...
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 17, 2013, 11:26:32 PM
Trade confirmed:

Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.28, 4.28

to

Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20

Not sure that trade helps either team.

Others trades are on the way for SA.  We're rebuilding.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 11:27:45 PM
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/nba/teamsites-nbateams/release/pistons/sites/pistons/files/imagecache/pistons_standard/drumroe_300_121216.jpg)

These gentlemen are unafraid of this technological terror SO has constructed.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: airbelinelli on February 17, 2013, 11:28:11 PM
I'm more curious as to what direction the Spurs go with parker and bradley and two later firsts
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 11:28:46 PM
Also, per Andrew Bynum, and alleged 'hate', keep hatin, haters. Bynum pulled down 18 and 12 last year, clearly the second best center in basketball. Yes, he's been injured this season, but my main building block is Kyrie Irving, a young man who at a tender age of 21 is barely scratching the surface of his talent. I'm not just playing for this season, I'm playing for the future as well. So I've of the opportunity to buy low on a 25 year old center who is locked up long term, to pair with my 21 year old all-star and my 22 year old 15 and 10 power forward.

So I guess Im not really sure where the hate comes into it. 18 and 12, 60 TS%, already got an allstar appearance. Even if he doesn't play a game til next season (which will not be the case, I believe he'll be playing by the end of the month), how is it not a no-brainer to acquire him?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 11:29:02 PM
Trade confirmed:

Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.28, 4.28

to

Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20

Not sure that trade helps either team.

Others trades are on the way for SA.  We're rebuilding.

I am disappointed San Antonio is rebuilding.

I thought you guys would've been a title contender.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 11:29:47 PM
Trade confirmed:

Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.28, 4.28

to

Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20

Not sure that trade helps either team.

Oh, come on! Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett on one team? Do you know how much fun that'd be?
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KGs Knee on February 17, 2013, 11:30:11 PM
I'm more curious as to what direction the Spurs go with parker and bradley and two later firsts

Gonna be tough to add a quality big man that late in the 1st round.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: StartOrien on February 17, 2013, 11:30:32 PM
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/nba/teamsites-nbateams/release/pistons/sites/pistons/files/imagecache/pistons_standard/drumroe_300_121216.jpg)

These gentlemen are unafraid of this technological terror SO has constructed.

If Drummond doesn't bite on the first upfake, he will on the 15th.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: Who on February 17, 2013, 11:30:57 PM
Trade confirmed:

Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.28, 4.28

to

Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20

Imagine Tim Duncan and Garnett playing together in real life...

I love KG and Duncan together but Boston only has two late 2nd rounders now, don't they?

That is going to be a tough one to pull off.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 17, 2013, 11:31:44 PM
Really like this trade for celtics i mean realistically Bradley is an average player with great defense but Duncan is a superstar
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 11:32:28 PM
Trade confirmed:

Spurs send: Tim Duncan, 2.28, 4.28

to

Celtics for: Avery Bradley, 1.20, 5.20

Not sure that trade helps either team.

Oh, come on! Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett on one team? Do you know how much fun that'd be?

It'd make for an awkward Mother's Day.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: KCattheStripe on February 17, 2013, 11:32:54 PM
Also, per Andrew Bynum, and alleged 'hate', keep hatin, haters. Bynum pulled down 18 and 12 last year, clearly the second best center in basketball. Yes, he's been injured this season, but my main building block is Kyrie Irving, a young man who at a tender age of 21 is barely scratching the surface of his talent. I'm not just playing for this season, I'm playing for the future as well. So I've of the opportunity to buy low on a 25 year old center who is locked up long term, to pair with my 21 year old all-star and my 22 year old 15 and 10 power forward.

So I guess Im not really sure where the hate comes into it. 18 and 12, 60 TS%, already got an allstar appearance. Even if he doesn't play a game til next season (which will not be the case, I believe he'll be playing by the end of the month), how is it not a no-brainer to acquire him?

Because of his injury history, I rank him squarely behind howard and M. Gasol with Monroe flying up the ranks behind him.
Title: Re: Pick 2: Draft Order for teams and picks
Post by: indeedproceed on February 17, 2013, 11:34:18 PM