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Title: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: krook on February 13, 2013, 04:25:13 AM
Phoenix still working to get Al Jefferson but Utah are not willing to take Gortat due to Enes Kanter, the Suns are looking for a 3rd team that will take Gortat and give Utah a PG/SF in return

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lost my source,
urgh,, im finding it
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: crimson_stallion on February 13, 2013, 04:53:00 AM
In a heartbeat, but there is a small problem.

Our SF's are two of the most important players on our team right now, and we don't have a PG.

:(
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: heitingas on February 13, 2013, 05:28:35 AM
I'm sure Phoenix would settle for Melo. Dont know if any of those teams want Bass though.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: wdleehi on February 13, 2013, 07:08:17 AM
In a heartbeat, but there is a small problem.

Our SF's are two of the most important players on our team right now, and we don't have a PG.

:(



If Utah would pull the trigger for Green, the Celtics pull the trigger. 
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: krook on February 13, 2013, 07:11:00 AM
In a heartbeat, but there is a small problem.

Our SF's are two of the most important players on our team right now, and we don't have a PG.

:(



If Utah would pull the trigger for Green, the Celtics pull the trigger.

we are loosing a big sf 6'8?
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: wdleehi on February 13, 2013, 07:12:13 AM
In a heartbeat, but there is a small problem.

Our SF's are two of the most important players on our team right now, and we don't have a PG.

:(



If Utah would pull the trigger for Green, the Celtics pull the trigger.

we are loosing a big sf 6'8?


A backup SF for the Celtics.




But then again, without a source, I will think of this as a bogus rumor. 
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Who on February 13, 2013, 10:15:18 AM
What else are Phoenix giving up to get Al Jefferson?
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Fafnir on February 13, 2013, 10:27:24 AM
What else are Phoenix giving up to get Al Jefferson?
Maybe a pick, dunno.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Fafnir on February 13, 2013, 10:28:06 AM
Won't Pheonix have cap room to sign him though? Or did they blow that already.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Moranis on February 13, 2013, 10:42:43 AM
What else are Phoenix giving up to get Al Jefferson?
Do they really need to give up much aside from Gortat (they have some expiring deals, which will reach the salary)?  I mean really, everyone knows Jefferson is leaving Utah, what else do they have to give up to get him?

If Utah does really want a third team, I'd probably consider something like this, which I think might work for all 3 teams

BOS - Gortat, Dudley, Marvin Williams
UTA - Pierce
PHO - Jefferson, Melo

Minor pieces can be added as necessary.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: wdleehi on February 13, 2013, 10:50:48 AM
What else are Phoenix giving up to get Al Jefferson?
Do they really need to give up much aside from Gortat (they have some expiring deals, which will reach the salary)?  I mean really, everyone knows Jefferson is leaving Utah, what else do they have to give up to get him?

If Utah does really want a third team, I'd probably consider something like this, which I think might work for all 3 teams

BOS - Gortat, Dudley, Marvin Williams
UTA - Pierce
PHO - Jefferson, Melo

Minor pieces can be added as necessary.


Not good. 


If the team is going after Gortat to improve the team this season, there is no reason to give up Pierce. 


And no reason to bring back Williams.  He is basically Green clone.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Who on February 13, 2013, 10:56:22 AM
What else are Phoenix giving up to get Al Jefferson?
Do they really need to give up much aside from Gortat (they have some expiring deals, which will reach the salary)?  I mean really, everyone knows Jefferson is leaving Utah, what else do they have to give up to get him?

If it is only Gortat, then they don't really have the framework for a deal yet by the sounds of it. They are just interested in Big Al but are nowhere on a deal. If there are other pieces in the mix that Utah wants from Phoenix, then the Suns are on their way.

Gortat is a fair return for Big Al. Utah just have no interest in him by the sounds of it (as one would expect given their big man situation).
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: scaryjerry on February 13, 2013, 10:59:30 AM
Good for them? Enough evidence suggests even if they do get him...they'll still stuck
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Who on February 13, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
Good for them? Enough evidence suggests even if they do get him...they'll still stuck
Yeah, it's a terrible idea. Phoenix is such a badly run organization.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 13, 2013, 11:16:23 AM
Would love to get in on the Gortat wagon... But like someone else pointed out we have no PG or SF to offer in a deal unless we are looking to trade Green or Pierce and I dont see that happening.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Humble G on February 13, 2013, 11:17:02 AM
how about this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a3pnrbo

Boston sends BASS and LEE(i know i know)
GETS Gortat and Shannon brown

Suns send gortat and brown
Get Al Jefferson

Denver Mozgov and Chandler
Get Lee and Bass

Utah sends Al Jefferson
gets Mozgov and Chandler and saves some $$$
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Evantime34 on February 13, 2013, 11:23:01 AM
how about this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a3pnrbo

Boston sends BASS and LEE(i know i know)
GETS Gortat and Shannon brown

Suns send gortat and brown
Get Al Jefferson

Denver Mozgov and Chandler
Get Lee and Bass

Utah sends Al Jefferson
gets Mozgov and Chandler and saves some $$$
It's good for the first two teams.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Moranis on February 13, 2013, 11:24:19 AM
What else are Phoenix giving up to get Al Jefferson?
Do they really need to give up much aside from Gortat (they have some expiring deals, which will reach the salary)?  I mean really, everyone knows Jefferson is leaving Utah, what else do they have to give up to get him?

If Utah does really want a third team, I'd probably consider something like this, which I think might work for all 3 teams

BOS - Gortat, Dudley, Marvin Williams
UTA - Pierce
PHO - Jefferson, Melo

Minor pieces can be added as necessary.


Not good. 


If the team is going after Gortat to improve the team this season, there is no reason to give up Pierce. 


And no reason to bring back Williams.  He is basically Green clone.
Yes, but those are the types of things you have to do get a center like Gortat and a solid wing like Dudley (who has an amazing contract).
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 13, 2013, 11:31:59 AM
What else are Phoenix giving up to get Al Jefferson?
Do they really need to give up much aside from Gortat (they have some expiring deals, which will reach the salary)?  I mean really, everyone knows Jefferson is leaving Utah, what else do they have to give up to get him?

If Utah does really want a third team, I'd probably consider something like this, which I think might work for all 3 teams

BOS - Gortat, Dudley, Marvin Williams
UTA - Pierce
PHO - Jefferson, Melo

Minor pieces can be added as necessary.


Not good. 


If the team is going after Gortat to improve the team this season, there is no reason to give up Pierce. 


And no reason to bring back Williams.  He is basically Green clone.
Yes, but those are the types of things you have to do get a center like Gortat and a solid wing like Dudley (who has an amazing contract).

Im not giving up Pierce for Gortat. Gortat makes us buyers in the market and gives us a better chance at winning this year. Without Pierce, trading for Gortat is less appealing.

I tried to fool around with the trade machine but came up empty. Bass and Bradley to the Jazz works but the Jazz are getting rid of Jefferson to make room for Kanter and Favors. They aren't going to want Bass in there taking up space.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Humble G on February 13, 2013, 11:32:41 AM
how about this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a3pnrbo

Boston sends BASS and LEE(i know i know)
GETS Gortat and Shannon brown

Suns send gortat and brown
Get Al Jefferson

Denver Mozgov and Chandler
Get Lee and Bass

Utah sends Al Jefferson
gets Mozgov and Chandler and saves some $$$
It's good for the first two teams.

Maybe Boston sends a pick to Utah, as far as denver they could use both bass and lee off the bench a lot more and better than they use mozgov and chandler
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Evantime34 on February 13, 2013, 11:44:16 AM
how about this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a3pnrbo

Boston sends BASS and LEE(i know i know)
GETS Gortat and Shannon brown

Suns send gortat and brown
Get Al Jefferson

Denver Mozgov and Chandler
Get Lee and Bass

Utah sends Al Jefferson
gets Mozgov and Chandler and saves some $$$
It's good for the first two teams.

Maybe Boston sends a pick to Utah, as far as denver they could use both bass and lee off the bench a lot more and better than they use mozgov and chandler
I would rather have Chandler than Courtney Lee. Bass is an upgrade over Mozgov (right now) but since the don't play Mozgov Bass would probably cut into the minutes of McGee, Galanari, and Faried who are all better than him.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: wdleehi on February 13, 2013, 12:26:14 PM
Can someone show me where this rumor came from?



I am starting to believe this is fake. 
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Kane3387 on February 13, 2013, 12:44:26 PM
Thought the Suns wanted Dudley from Phoenix... That be the SF.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: Moranis on February 13, 2013, 01:22:39 PM
What else are Phoenix giving up to get Al Jefferson?
Do they really need to give up much aside from Gortat (they have some expiring deals, which will reach the salary)?  I mean really, everyone knows Jefferson is leaving Utah, what else do they have to give up to get him?

If Utah does really want a third team, I'd probably consider something like this, which I think might work for all 3 teams

BOS - Gortat, Dudley, Marvin Williams
UTA - Pierce
PHO - Jefferson, Melo

Minor pieces can be added as necessary.


Not good. 


If the team is going after Gortat to improve the team this season, there is no reason to give up Pierce. 


And no reason to bring back Williams.  He is basically Green clone.
Yes, but those are the types of things you have to do get a center like Gortat and a solid wing like Dudley (who has an amazing contract).

Im not giving up Pierce for Gortat. Gortat makes us buyers in the market and gives us a better chance at winning this year. Without Pierce, trading for Gortat is less appealing.

I tried to fool around with the trade machine but came up empty. Bass and Bradley to the Jazz works but the Jazz are getting rid of Jefferson to make room for Kanter and Favors. They aren't going to want Bass in there taking up space.
Gortat is a young center on a very reasonable deal that helps Boston long term.  If you can trade a veteran who is a year or two from retiring that has a big contract from a team that is not going to win the title, then you have to do it.  In the trade I proposed, Boston also got Dudley, who is more than adequate filling in for Pierce.
Title: Re: Phoenix still working to get Al Jeff (RUMORS ONLY)
Post by: wdleehi on February 13, 2013, 01:47:35 PM
What else are Phoenix giving up to get Al Jefferson?
Do they really need to give up much aside from Gortat (they have some expiring deals, which will reach the salary)?  I mean really, everyone knows Jefferson is leaving Utah, what else do they have to give up to get him?

If Utah does really want a third team, I'd probably consider something like this, which I think might work for all 3 teams

BOS - Gortat, Dudley, Marvin Williams
UTA - Pierce
PHO - Jefferson, Melo

Minor pieces can be added as necessary.


Not good. 


If the team is going after Gortat to improve the team this season, there is no reason to give up Pierce. 


And no reason to bring back Williams.  He is basically Green clone.
Yes, but those are the types of things you have to do get a center like Gortat and a solid wing like Dudley (who has an amazing contract).

Im not giving up Pierce for Gortat. Gortat makes us buyers in the market and gives us a better chance at winning this year. Without Pierce, trading for Gortat is less appealing.

I tried to fool around with the trade machine but came up empty. Bass and Bradley to the Jazz works but the Jazz are getting rid of Jefferson to make room for Kanter and Favors. They aren't going to want Bass in there taking up space.
Gortat is a young center on a very reasonable deal that helps Boston long term.  If you can trade a veteran who is a year or two from retiring that has a big contract from a team that is not going to win the title, then you have to do it.  In the trade I proposed, Boston also got Dudley, who is more than adequate filling in for Pierce.



Gortat is 28 years old.  This is not a move towards the future.  This is about the now and near future. 


Pierce is also about the now. 



No way the Celtics should make that move.  If they were getting Jefferson or Favors and Kanter, maybe.  But not Gortat.