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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Tr1boy on February 12, 2013, 11:25:32 PM
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Warrior fans i read would love to have Pierce. Warriors tried to get pierce for the past two years now. Their magical beginning is turning out to be a nightmare right now. They are hanging on for their lives in 6th place. They are just lacking a pierce from getting back to where they were earlier.
I'd hate to lose Pierce but after Barbosa went down, i just got this feeling like this might not be our year. Hopefully we beat Chicago tomorrow but if not, i wonder what Danny is going to do after the all star weekend. He will definitely be getting calls for both kg and pierce.
I've asked this before but i will as ask again. If
1) GS offers, Barnes + filler (either Biedrins or Jefferson) for Pierce
2) Then Clippers offer Bledsoe and now add Deandre Jordan for KG + 1st
does Danny pull the trigger on these deals?? Would you say yes? I can see also the celts trading the Jet for picks and some more depth, then eventually finishing off the blowup by trading away Rondo next year , for picks.
New lineup for this year
Starting: Jordan - Green - Barnes - Bradley - Bledsoe
Bench: Bass, Biedrins (Jefferson), Lee, Collins, Guard, Forward
And you know what, it would still be a team capable to capture 6-8th seed in a weaker eastern conference. This is just an idea or possibility and i'm not stating we should blow it up yet. But the biggest question keeping pp and kg is, can we win with all these key injuries?? What can realistically a 1st + Melo + Bass do to replenish the loss of Sully and Barbosa? Is it worth giving up a 1st for a rental? Is there any player (that can contribute consistently) left worthwhile in the nbdl and fa market?
thoughts?
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Lol they are never doing Barnes for Pierce, but Danny would pull the trigger on both. He might not want djordan and his big contract..but switch pieces but the warriors are never giving up barnes for a 2 year rental.
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If the celtics decide to blow it up I would do these trades. KG and pierce will retire soon so this is good value. I wouldn't give up a 1st along with KG though.
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Yeah, I am starting to think the same thing.
At first following Rondo's injury, I thought we could go on a magical run like last year.
But then the more I think about it, I just don't see how the Celts get by Miami or even Chicago.
Lebron just keeps getting better and better and Chicago always seems to pose a bad match-up for the Celts.
Like others have said, I doubt Golden State trades Barnes, but could seem them swapping Pierce for expiring contracts (Jefferson, Biedrins) and maybe even Bogut.
Ditto for KG. A couple weeks ago I would've laughed, but now if the Clips offered Jordan/Bledsoe for KG, I would have to say yes.
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The only way either of those deals will even be discussed is if KG and Pierce go to Ainge and say they want to be moved. Both have given every indication they want to stay long term.
If this does happen I would be fine with the KG trade provided we keep our first.
With the Paul Pierce deal I wonder if they would be desperate enough to give us Thompson instead of Barnes.
In the end I think we keep both until the end of the season and then they retire after the year.
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Gs has to make it into the playoffs this year. The team hasn't made it in a lifetime it seem and Gs star players like lee and curry need to experience the playoffs to be better players. Its worthwhile to give up ur 4th best player and prospect to get a player that can get u this experience and realistically more. Same goes for the clippers. They have to get far to develop their star griffin.
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The only way either of those deals will even be discussed is if KG and Pierce go to Ainge and say they want to be moved. Both have given every indication they want to stay long term.
If this does happen I would be fine with the KG trade provided we keep our first.
With the Paul Pierce deal I wonder if they would be desperate enough to give us Thompson instead of Barnes.
In the end I think we keep both until the end of the season and then they retire after the year.
Probably
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No. No.
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Essentially:
-- a high lottery pick from a stacked draft (athletic wing scorer)
-- a somewhat overpaid but young, athletic, long center with "potential"
-- a very promising athletic point guard prospect (who projects to have a ceiling somewhere around "poor man's russell westbrook")
in exchange for Pierce and KG, who are both probably in the last season or two of their careers.
Yeah, I'd do it.
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Essentially:
-- a high lottery pick from a stacked draft (athletic wing scorer)
-- a somewhat overpaid but young, athletic, long center with "potential"
-- a very promising athletic point guard prospect (who projects to have a ceiling somewhere around "poor man's russell westbrook")
in exchange for Pierce and KG, who are both probably in the last season or two of their careers.
Yeah, I'd do it.
Me too. Though admittedly, I'd be kinda shocked if the Clippers trade Deandre Jordan for KG. Though KG is a proven winner, Jordan is a legit young center and those are hard to come by in the NBA.
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Essentially:
-- a high lottery pick from a stacked draft (athletic wing scorer)
-- a somewhat overpaid but young, athletic, long center with "potential"
-- a very promising athletic point guard prospect (who projects to have a ceiling somewhere around "poor man's russell westbrook")
in exchange for Pierce and KG, who are both probably in the last season or two of their careers.
Yeah, I'd do it.
Me too. Though admittedly, I'd be kinda shocked if the Clippers trade Deandre Jordan for KG. Though KG is a proven winner, Jordan is a legit young center and those are hard to come by in the NBA.
Poor mans Russell Westbrook? We don't even want the real one... Noooooooooo, we need a Calderon or Barbosa type, not a Westbrook or Paul type
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Essentially:
-- a high lottery pick from a stacked draft (athletic wing scorer)
-- a somewhat overpaid but young, athletic, long center with "potential"
-- a very promising athletic point guard prospect (who projects to have a ceiling somewhere around "poor man's russell westbrook")
in exchange for Pierce and KG, who are both probably in the last season or two of their careers.
Yeah, I'd do it.
Me too. Though admittedly, I'd be kinda shocked if the Clippers trade Deandre Jordan for KG. Though KG is a proven winner, Jordan is a legit young center and those are hard to come by in the NBA.
Poor mans Russell Westbrook? We don't even want the real one... Noooooooooo, we need a Calderon or Barbosa type, not a Westbrook or Paul type
Every team needs Russell Westbrook or Chris Paul.
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Warrior fans i read would love to have Pierce. Warriors tried to get pierce for the past two years now. Their magical beginning is turning out to be a nightmare right now. They are hanging on for their lives in 6th place. They are just lacking a pierce from getting back to where they were earlier.
I'd hate to lose Pierce but after Barbosa went down, i just got this feeling like this might not be our year. Hopefully we beat Chicago tomorrow but if not, i wonder what Danny is going to do after the all star weekend. He will definitely be getting calls for both kg and pierce.
I've asked this before but i will as ask again. If
1) GS offers, Barnes + filler (either Biedrins or Jefferson) for Pierce
2) Then Clippers offer Bledsoe and now add Deandre Jordan for KG + 1st
does Danny pull the trigger on these deals?? Would you say yes? I can see also the celts trading the Jet for picks and some more depth, then eventually finishing off the blowup by trading away Rondo next year , for picks.
New lineup for this year
Starting: Jordan - Green - Barnes - Bradley - Bledsoe
Bench: Bass, Biedrins (Jefferson), Lee, Collins, Guard, Forward
And you know what, it would still be a team capable to capture 6-8th seed in a weaker eastern conference. This is just an idea or possibility and i'm not stating we should blow it up yet. But the biggest question keeping pp and kg is, can we win with all these key injuries?? What can realistically a 1st + Melo + Bass do to replenish the loss of Sully and Barbosa? Is it worth giving up a 1st for a rental? Is there any player (that can contribute consistently) left worthwhile in the nbdl and fa market?
thoughts?
If we could get barnes and the warriors first plus a biedrins/jefferson contract for pierce I would have to do it.
I dont want any of the clippers roleplayers really.
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Heartbreaker losing the Blur, but having your 3rd string guard go down is no reason to punt the season.
I still like our chances
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Heartbreaker losing the Blur, but having your 3rd string guard go down is no reason to punt the season.
I still like our chances
but there is a slight problem when your first AND third go down with the same injury lol.
If GSW offered a Barnes + 1st + filler for pierce, I think i would have to do it. Barnes just looks like a solid player and along with rondo sully bradley and jeff could be a solid young core
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I would prefer Klay Thompson over Harrison Barnes. Plus Jeff Green has better size for the sf spot. Barnes is only 210 lbs.
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what do you mean add extra for kg? the clippers are not persuing KG, the rumors were false according to every doc, danny, and everyone
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I wouldn't do it - as Ainge has said, KG and Pierce are more valuable to us then they are to other teams. No other team is going to offer a valuable deal for those guys.
I would actually much rather trade Rondo - even with the injury he still has higher trade value than either Perice or KG, because only contending teams will have an interest in the vets while everybody would be interested in Rondo. Even hurt, they will see him as a guy wh can sit out, and then turn them into contenders next season.
For us both KG and Pierce are on pretty hefty contracts, around $25M combined. Once those two guys finish their careers here we let their contracts run out, and then we have $30M in cap space (Terry will likely retire at the same time) free. If we could get a young stud like Eric Gordon in return for Rondo we have our future scorer, and we can make a run at some All-Star calibre players in two years time. We already have a great collection of future support players (Bradley, Lee, Green, Sullinger) so if we add a guy like Gordon to that group and then add one or two All-Star calibure guys in two years time we are pretty much set.
We really need a player who we can build around for the future, and Rondo (good as he is) isn't that guy. Neither Pierce or KG will get us a potential franchise player, but Rondo could.
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I wouldn't do it - as Ainge has said, KG and Pierce are more valuable to us then they are to other teams. No other team is going to offer a valuable deal for those guys.
I would actually much rather trade Rondo - even with the injury he still has higher trade value than either Perice or KG, because only contending teams will have an interest in the vets while everybody would be interested in Rondo. Even hurt, they will see him as a guy wh can sit out, and then turn them into contenders next season.
For us both KG and Pierce are on pretty hefty contracts, around $25M combined. Once those two guys finish their careers here we let their contracts run out, and then we have $30M in cap space (Terry will likely retire at the same time) free. If we could get a young stud like Eric Gordon in return for Rondo we have our future scorer, and we can make a run at some All-Star calibre players in two years time. We already have a great collection of future support players (Bradley, Lee, Green, Sullinger) so if we add a guy like Gordon to that group and then add one or two All-Star calibure guys in two years time we are pretty much set.
We really need a player who we can build around for the future, and Rondo (good as he is) isn't that guy. Neither Pierce or KG will get us a potential franchise player, but Rondo could.
If your going to go that far get Kyrie or the next big franchise player you think is worth the max.
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I can't see Golden State giving up Barnes. Pierce's decline as a scorer (even though he remains a very good defender and facilitator) means he's not going to push Golden State over the top. With all their really good young players, Golden State shouldn't be playing for the short window.
Barnes isn't putting up big numbers but he's been about the sixth or seventh option behind Curry, Lee, Jack, Thompson, Landry and now Bogut most nights, if that. Even on nights when he's had a good first quarter or good first half, it's hit or miss whether he's even going to play much the rest of the way or even get any touches. He's really been on some nights and if had been on a much less talented team, he could've put up big numbers, got his momentum really going and upped his league-wide reputation. What's promising about him is that his biggest weakness coming out of college, his ineffectivness driving to the rim, hasn't been a weakness. He's completed more athletic layups and explosive dunks than he did his two years at UNC. Since also he possesses a good outside shot and post game, he looks like he can develop into a very solid wing and potentially an all-star. There's no way Golden State gives him up for someone as old as Pierce.
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I wouldn't do it - as Ainge has said, KG and Pierce are more valuable to us then they are to other teams. No other team is going to offer a valuable deal for those guys.
I would actually much rather trade Rondo - even with the injury he still has higher trade value than either Perice or KG, because only contending teams will have an interest in the vets while everybody would be interested in Rondo. Even hurt, they will see him as a guy wh can sit out, and then turn them into contenders next season.
For us both KG and Pierce are on pretty hefty contracts, around $25M combined. Once those two guys finish their careers here we let their contracts run out, and then we have $30M in cap space (Terry will likely retire at the same time) free. If we could get a young stud like Eric Gordon in return for Rondo we have our future scorer, and we can make a run at some All-Star calibre players in two years time. We already have a great collection of future support players (Bradley, Lee, Green, Sullinger) so if we add a guy like Gordon to that group and then add one or two All-Star calibure guys in two years time we are pretty much set.
We really need a player who we can build around for the future, and Rondo (good as he is) isn't that guy. Neither Pierce or KG will get us a potential franchise player, but Rondo could.
If your going to go that far get Kyrie or the next big franchise player you think is worth the max.
I'd be happy to do that as well, but we have pretty much zero chance of prying Kyrie away from Cleveland for an injured Rondo.
Gordon on the other hand, we probably have a pretty decent chance of getting. I can see him being an elite scorer in a few years time (like AI, Monta Ellis, Gilbert Arenas in their primes) and right now out biggest weakness is our offense.
If we can pick up a high calibre offensive player (who has the potential to become an elite offensive player) without losing any key defensive players, then that's the type of move that can help us right now AND in the future.
For NO it probably makes sense because they are in rebuild mode right now anyway, so it makes sense for them to tank so that they can get high picks in the draft and start fresh next season. The fact that Rondo is out until next season probably doesn't phase them at all, but I'm sure they would love to have a pure PG with playoff experience to play alongside their young guys (especially Anthony Davis).
Rondo is an outstanding player, but we are a mediocre offensive team with him or without him. We need someone who can give us 18 - 20 points per night on a consistent basis to take pressure off Pierce and KG.
To Paraphrase Batman, Rondo is the Hero Boston deserves, but not the one it needs.
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no caron butler please
no...........
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I can't see Golden State giving up Barnes. Pierce's decline as a scorer (even though he remains a very good defender and facilitator) means he's not going to push Golden State over the top. With all their really good young players, Golden State shouldn't be playing for the short window.
Barnes isn't putting up big numbers but he's been about the sixth or seventh option behind Curry, Lee, Jack, Thompson, Landry and now Bogut most nights, if that. Even on nights when he's had a good first quarter or good first half, it's hit or miss whether he's even going to play much the rest of the way or even get any touches. He's really been on some nights and if had been on a much less talented team, he could've put up big numbers, got his momentum really going and upped his league-wide reputation. What's promising about him is that his biggest weakness coming out of college, his ineffectivness driving to the rim, hasn't been a weakness. He's completed more athletic layups and explosive dunks than he did his two years at UNC. Since also he possesses a good outside shot and post game, he looks like he can develop into a very solid wing and potentially an all-star. There's no way Golden State gives him up for someone as old as Pierce.
Money.
Add to the fact that he's putting an excellent effort in playing defense. For once the Dubs had a wing who can and is willing to play D. He'll become better at it because he has the athletic tools to improve on that side of the ball as well. All these is why Barnes will not be traded for Paul.
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Why would the Celtics give up a 1st in a rebooting trade?
Would not do the Clippers trade. Overpayed C and another small G to go along with Rondo and AB just isn't worth it.
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I don't think getting Barnes, Bledsoe, and Jordan for KG & PP in those trades is unreasonable. They're all really good young players who MAY someday evolve into great players, but KG/PP can put you over into championship contention(well, not GS)and the tradeoff would be equitable.
Then if you could ship RR to Phoenix for is 7 & 13 picks in this draft(?), you'd have Bledsoe,Bradley,Barnes, JGreen, Sully, Jordan, and THREE 1st round draft picks in the top 15. If that's not a great jump on rebuilding, you're bar may be set a little too high! ;) ;D 8)
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I can't see Golden State giving up Barnes. Pierce's decline as a scorer (even though he remains a very good defender and facilitator) means he's not going to push Golden State over the top. With all their really good young players, Golden State shouldn't be playing for the short window.
You just stated the #1 reason why they wouldn't need Pierce for and the #1 reasons why they WOULD need him. And its not for his scoring. GS has plenty of fire power. The issue is lack of defense , at time someone else to facilitate the offense other than curry and lastly the confident vet experience. Pierce has won a ring and pretty much knows what to do , to get into the playoffs. How many players can you say the same on the GS team? Maybe outside of Jefferson thats it. On top of this though with their offensive firepower, they are lacking that one go to guy in the 4th, again here is where Pierce steps in. (though curry is very good also)
Barnes, Thompson are great kids, but 1) lack experience 2) are not paul pierce... not yet anyways. Like i already mentioned , if gs doesn't get the franchise moving forward and make it in to the playoffs this year, all that effort by lee , curry and progress of other young nice players will go to waste.
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I don't think getting Barnes, Bledsoe, and Jordan for KG & PP in those trades is unreasonable. They're all really good young players who MAY someday evolve into great players, but KG/PP can put you over into championship contention(well, not GS)and the tradeoff would be equitable.
Then if you could ship RR to Phoenix for is 7 & 13 picks in this draft(?), you'd have Bledsoe,Bradley,Barnes, JGreen, Sully, Jordan, and THREE 1st round draft picks in the top 15. If that's not a great jump on rebuilding, you're bar may be set a little too high! ;) ;D 8)
totally , though i do think if Clippers are giving up two significant positions for a significant vet, they would ask for a 1st. What if KG retires after this season?
If Josh Smith gets traded to phx, i would like us the trade Rondo to them and get a 1st at least. Trade the jet to Denver or something for a 1st. Get a lotto pick
We wouldn't be as good as team as three years ago obviously but we would be nowhere as bad as we were 4 years ago before the big three.
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Hate to say yes but i would do it..then go sign Josh Smith this summer.
C-Jordan
PF-Smith
SG-Green
SG-Bradley
PG-Rondo
Bench
Terry
Barnes
Bass
Bledsoe
Sully
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I would want Klay Thompson! I have a man crush on his game!
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I wouldn't do it - as Ainge has said, KG and Pierce are more valuable to us then they are to other teams. No other team is going to offer a valuable deal for those guys.
I would actually much rather trade Rondo - even with the injury he still has higher trade value than either Perice or KG, because only contending teams will have an interest in the vets while everybody would be interested in Rondo. Even hurt, they will see him as a guy wh can sit out, and then turn them into contenders next season.
For us both KG and Pierce are on pretty hefty contracts, around $25M combined. Once those two guys finish their careers here we let their contracts run out, and then we have $30M in cap space (Terry will likely retire at the same time) free. If we could get a young stud like Eric Gordon in return for Rondo we have our future scorer, and we can make a run at some All-Star calibre players in two years time. We already have a great collection of future support players (Bradley, Lee, Green, Sullinger) so if we add a guy like Gordon to that group and then add one or two All-Star calibure guys in two years time we are pretty much set.
We really need a player who we can build around for the future, and Rondo (good as he is) isn't that guy. Neither Pierce or KG will get us a potential franchise player, but Rondo could.
Boston will not have cap space to offer anything more than a MLE type contract until the summer of 2015 without making trades (and that is if KG and PP retire before then).
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Danny definitely set this team up to be able to trade Pierce and KG if he needed to, if the right pieces were there.
With that being said I just dont like the fact of trading them for this package right now.
Im not sold on Barnes at the present time and having a guy like Butler (oye) or Bierdnis for another year wouldn't excite me much. Bledsoe is overatted in my book and would only be useful to us as a trade chip. Jordan is a nice young center who would be great alongside KG. But alongside Bass or Sully? Im not so sure.
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Danny definitely set this team up to be able to trade Pierce and KG if he needed to, if the right pieces were there.
I think this is a very good point. One thing Danny has done pretty well is organize the team for the post Big Three era. He could trade PP and KG, if the right deal comes around. But he doesn't have to. Kudos to Danny for this.
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If the Clippers could get KG for Jordan and Bledsoe, they should jump at it. They'd have a real chance at two titles. The Clips probably will lose Bledsoe to free agency soon. Losing Jordan long term will hurt, but in Los Angeles, with a banner or two in the rafters and cap room when KO finally retires, they should be able to attract a FA replacement.
The way this Celtics team rebounds and plays interior defense, they have almost no chance at a title this year. Bledsoe and Jordan is probably the best package they could get for Garnett. The GM has to make that trade if offered, unless he believes that the Celtics would have a solid chance at a title this year and next.
Ditto the Barnes/Pierce with the Warriors. Pierce has shown that he's a still a top 5 SF, but he's getting older and his championship window is closing here. Adding Bledsoe, Jordan and Barnes is a real good start to the rebuilding process. I''m not under any illusions that rebuilding is going to be easy. It's going to happen eventually, whether the Cs trade KG and PP, or they ride off into the sunset in green after a couple of 44 win seasons an early playoff exits.
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With CP3 (assuming he gets a max contract from them) and Blake's contracts the Clippers aren't going to be players in FA for a long time.
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I'd hate to lose KG and PP, but these trades would set us up for a good future,we could get a good look at Bledsoe for a few months and have either Bledsoe or Rondo to trade off for a solid Shooting guard or PF. The only way I'd do one of these trades would be if we were sure we could do the other one. Otherwise keep KG and PP and have them retire as Celtic Greats.
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With CP3 (assuming he gets a max contract from them) and Blake's contracts the Clippers aren't going to be players in FA for a long time.
Nope. Not with DJ and Caron equating to a max deal also.
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Unlikely by this point