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Title: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 12, 2013, 06:21:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T2TBz2phCgY
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: hpantazo on February 12, 2013, 06:26:24 PM
lakers drama always brightens my day  :)
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Boris Badenov on February 12, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that in an argument between Dwight Howard and Steve Nash about what Howard should have done to get open, and where the pass should have been thrown, that Steve Nash will be the one who's right approximately 99.99% of the time.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: hpantazo on February 12, 2013, 06:28:11 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that in an argument between Dwight Howard and Steve Nash about what Howard should have done to get open, and where the pass should have been thrown, that Steve Nash will be the one who's right approximately 99.99% of the time.

I'm so glad the celtics didn't end up trading the farm for Howard.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: timobusa on February 12, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
Nash is 100% correct, he had 2 defenders and a backboard, thats why he passed low, and dumb dwight wanted a lob.

STUPID DWIGHT
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 12, 2013, 06:54:01 PM
Come on, Dwight.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 12, 2013, 07:01:55 PM
I feel bad for Nash.  He thought he was going to a contender, and look at the crap he has to deal with now.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 12, 2013, 07:10:12 PM
saw that happen.......

Kobe, Nash and Howard have special bond


Lakers.  ...forever
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: ScottHow on February 12, 2013, 07:11:30 PM
Complaining about the passing of one of the greatest passers ever, lol
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: jambr380 on February 12, 2013, 07:11:48 PM
I get the Dwight hate. His act is getting old and he isn't doing himself any favors by his play, or lack there of.

But, he never wanted to go to LA in the first place and now things aren't working out. He has been immature and he has been a jerk, but I do think he cares and that he has the desire to win.

I would do most anything to get Dwight in green and I don't think he would disappoint.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 12, 2013, 07:30:13 PM
I get the Dwight hate. His act is getting old and he isn't doing himself any favors by his play, or lack there of.

But, he never wanted to go to LA in the first place and now things aren't working out. He has been immature and he has been a jerk, but I do think he cares and that he has the desire to win.

I would do most anything to get Dwight in green and I don't think he would disappoint.

I think nearly everything that happens to him is self-inflicted, can't he just shut up and play?

He really doesn't need to act like he's so important because that only makes the team worse as a whole. He needs to learn to be humble. When KG and Allen came, they shut up and played. It worked and they won a championship.

Kobe is the leader in LA until he retires and Dwight has to respect that just like Allen/KG, LeBron/Bosh, and Nash.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: RebusRankin on February 12, 2013, 07:46:13 PM
Dwight is showing himself to be a bigger and bigger jerk.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Humble G on February 12, 2013, 08:38:59 PM
Dwight is showing himself to be a bigger and bigger jerk.

or the other j word.....JOKE! He is a big Joke, got talent but doesn't know how to use it and is worried about image. He is the anti-Garnett. KG HAS talent and KNOWS how to use it and DOES NOT CARE what others think. He plays his way and he plays that way HARD!
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: syfy9 on February 12, 2013, 08:45:36 PM
The Lakers are becoming one of my favorite teams..................................to watch.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: hpantazo on February 12, 2013, 08:48:41 PM
The Lakers are becoming one of my favorite teams..................................to watch.

the lakers are my favorite team.........................................for me to poop on!!!!!!!



(http://cdn.videogum.com/files/2010/01/triumph_insult_comic_dog.jpg)
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Celtics18 on February 12, 2013, 08:51:38 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Kinda sums up the Lakers season thus far. 
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: syfy9 on February 12, 2013, 09:01:09 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Kinda sums up the Lakers season thus far.

Lebron and D-Wade were already running full speed. No need to waste energy when there is nothing they can do.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: hpantazo on February 12, 2013, 09:01:53 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Kinda sums up the Lakers season thus far.

Lebron and D-Wade were already running full speed. No need to waste energy when there is nothing they can do.

that' s the kind of attitude that loses ballgames....
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Celtics18 on February 12, 2013, 09:07:08 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Kinda sums up the Lakers season thus far.

Lebron and D-Wade were already running full speed. No need to waste energy when there is nothing they can do.

I disagree.  They both could have made an effort to get back on D, particularly Howard who had a shot to contest the play if he had turned and sprinted back. 
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: mgent on February 12, 2013, 09:10:43 PM
The Lakers aren't bad because they can't get along.  They can't get along because they're bad.

If they were good at basketball there'd be absolutely no problems.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: syfy9 on February 12, 2013, 10:08:11 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Kinda sums up the Lakers season thus far.

Lebron and D-Wade were already running full speed. No need to waste energy when there is nothing they can do.

I disagree.  They both could have made an effort to get back on D, particularly Howard who had a shot to contest the play if he had turned and sprinted back.

Re-watch the video and you can see that Lebron was 10-15 feet in front of him and accelerating. He's the best basketball player in the world and the Heat's fast break had been drawing comparisons of the Showtime Lakers.

I'm saying that Howard/Nash shouldn't be criticized for not sprinting into a play when their opponents are beyond half court full speed. If they were capable of chasing down Lebron James/Dwayne Wade, and were able to make a play, kudos to them.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: syfy9 on February 12, 2013, 10:11:27 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Kinda sums up the Lakers season thus far.

Lebron and D-Wade were already running full speed. No need to waste energy when there is nothing they can do.

that' s the kind of attitude that loses ballgames....

These players are professionals and should pace themselves. You have to know when a play if futile and conserve energy for the next play.

Don't get me wrong, I applaud hustle and relentless energy, but I don't want to criticize someone who doesn't sprint back when the play is futile.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Redz on February 12, 2013, 10:41:16 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Kinda sums up the Lakers season thus far.

Lebron and D-Wade were already running full speed. No need to waste energy when there is nothing they can do.

that' s the kind of attitude that loses ballgames....

These players are professionals and should pace themselves. You have to know when a play if futile and conserve energy for the next play.

Don't get me wrong, I applaud hustle and relentless energy, but I don't want to criticize someone who doesn't sprint back when the play is futile.

It just looks bad.  Same when guys give up on an errant pass from a teammate. 
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Boris Badenov on February 12, 2013, 10:42:19 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Personally I think the best part is the look on Nash's face when he realizes that Howard is trying to tell him how to pass the ball. It's at around 0:40.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: OsirusCeltics on February 12, 2013, 11:15:12 PM
I've always said Lakers should have never gotten rid of Andrew Bynum. Glad they didn't listen hahaha
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: hpantazo on February 12, 2013, 11:17:11 PM
I've always said Lakers should have never gotten rid of Andrew Bynum. Glad they didn't listen hahaha

well, Bynum is even more useless than Howard so far this year. I don't expect Bynum to last in the NBA another 2 years with the knees he has.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Celtics18 on February 12, 2013, 11:23:30 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Kinda sums up the Lakers season thus far.

Lebron and D-Wade were already running full speed. No need to waste energy when there is nothing they can do.

I disagree.  They both could have made an effort to get back on D, particularly Howard who had a shot to contest the play if he had turned and sprinted back.

Re-watch the video and you can see that Lebron was 10-15 feet in front of him and accelerating. He's the best basketball player in the world and the Heat's fast break had been drawing comparisons of the Showtime Lakers.

I'm saying that Howard/Nash shouldn't be criticized for not sprinting into a play when their opponents are beyond half court full speed. If they were capable of chasing down Lebron James/Dwayne Wade, and were able to make a play, kudos to them.

I re-watched the video before posting my last response.  James was ahead of both Nash and Howard when he got the ball, but it wasn't a breakaway.  There were Lakers back.  If you are Dwight Howard and supposed to be the best defensive player in the game, you have to make an effort to get back.  There was a good chance that one of his teammates could have slowed James down enough for him to get back in the play.  The same goes for Nash, really.  Maybe James get forced to kick the ball out to an open shooter. 

The bickering instead of getting back looks bad.  It definitely wasn't a sure two on the other end. 
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: syfy9 on February 12, 2013, 11:53:48 PM
The worst thing about that exchange (or the best thing, depending on perspective) is that these two are standing around in the back court bickering about an offensive play gone awry instead of getting back on defense while the Heat are fast breaking for an and one.

Kinda sums up the Lakers season thus far.

Lebron and D-Wade were already running full speed. No need to waste energy when there is nothing they can do.

I disagree.  They both could have made an effort to get back on D, particularly Howard who had a shot to contest the play if he had turned and sprinted back.

Re-watch the video and you can see that Lebron was 10-15 feet in front of him and accelerating. He's the best basketball player in the world and the Heat's fast break had been drawing comparisons of the Showtime Lakers.

I'm saying that Howard/Nash shouldn't be criticized for not sprinting into a play when their opponents are beyond half court full speed. If they were capable of chasing down Lebron James/Dwayne Wade, and were able to make a play, kudos to them.

I re-watched the video before posting my last response.  James was ahead of both Nash and Howard when he got the ball, but it wasn't a breakaway.  There were Lakers back.  If you are Dwight Howard and supposed to be the best defensive player in the game, you have to make an effort to get back.  There was a good chance that one of his teammates could have slowed James down enough for him to get back in the play.  The same goes for Nash, really.  Maybe James get forced to kick the ball out to an open shooter. 

The bickering instead of getting back looks bad.  It definitely wasn't a sure two on the other end.

It's not like they were the last 2 getting back. There were 2 Heat players just standing there, saving their energy. I agree that some effort needs to be used to get back, but sprinting your butt off to do so? It is unnecessary and a waste of energy. As long as your theoretical man is behind you, it's fine.

Also, the majority of the bickering happened after the play was over.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: ManUp on February 13, 2013, 12:09:51 AM
Dwight seems to have rubbed everyone on that team the wrong way.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Mr Green on February 13, 2013, 12:17:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T2TBz2phCgY

SO GOOD I LOVE IT!! ;D
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 13, 2013, 12:22:05 AM
They're falling apart against the Suns right now - they're starting to get booed by their home fans.  Love it.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: syfy9 on February 13, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
They're falling apart against the Suns right now - they're starting to get booed by their home fans.  Love it.

Jermaine O'Neal is doing well. Love seeing Kobe without a field goal(:
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Mr Green on February 13, 2013, 12:59:55 AM
They're falling apart against the Suns right now - they're starting to get booed by their home fans.  Love it.

Jermaine O'Neal is doing well. Love seeing Kobe without a field goal(:

With 9 minutes to go Kobe has 2 points and 7 turnovers ... WINNING!  ;D
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: action781 on February 13, 2013, 02:03:04 AM
Nash is 100% correct, he had 2 defenders and a backboard, thats why he passed low, and dumb dwight wanted a lob.

Yes that is true.  But this is really being blown out of proportion.  Players disagree about what eachother should have done all the time.  This is being blown up because its LA.  This is a boring non-story.

Van Gundy made the great point that they are always arguing about the ball on the Lakers and not arguing about defense.  That's why they aren't winning.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: crimson_stallion on February 13, 2013, 04:43:46 AM
It's at the point now where I honestly enjoy to see any type of story about Dwight Howard doing badly.

The guy is just so disgusting as a person - absolutely zero loyalty, all about himself and no interest at all about the other players on his team.  Creates problems everywhere he goes.

Dwight has to be the biggest waste of talent I have seen in 20 years of NBA play.  He could be in the argument for MVP right now, but instead he's in the headlines for being criticised by all of his teammates.

Kudos to Lebron - everybody (myself included) hated him for years, but he dealt with it the right way.  He simply ignored the crap, improved his attitude, elevated his game and led his team to a championship.  After the way he played against us in the ECF who can possibly criticise him now?

This Howard character just doesn't get it.  His reputation is getting close to the point of being unrepairable - it doesn't seem to matter what he does from this point on, he will always be seen as a selfish diva who is a cancer to every team he plays on.   This is in addition to the fact that he is up there with Wade and MWP in the top 5 most dirty players in the league.
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: TripleOT on February 13, 2013, 09:21:45 AM
Suns had the Lakers on the ropes, but late in the game, they decided to defensive rebound like the Celtics, and the Lakers snatched the game by making layups on third and fourth attempts.  JO still can't defensive rebound, BTW. 
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: Fafnir on February 13, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
Lakers are 3 1/2 games out still, with two teams they need to pass. They need to go around 19-10 or so to get in at the 8th seed's current pace.

7-3 in their last ten games so yeah still looks to be a coin flip or slightly worse to me. How hard is their remaining schedule?
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: OsirusCeltics on February 13, 2013, 10:58:01 PM
I've always said Lakers should have never gotten rid of Andrew Bynum. Glad they didn't listen hahaha

well, Bynum is even more useless than Howard so far this year. I don't expect Bynum to last in the NBA another 2 years with the knees he has.

Yeah totally agree, Bynums knees arent holding up
But right now
Bynum injured on the bench >>> Dwight
Title: Re: Are the lakers self-destructing? nash vs dwight now
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 14, 2013, 10:37:04 AM
Lakers are 3 1/2 games out still, with two teams they need to pass. They need to go around 19-10 or so to get in at the 8th seed's current pace.

7-3 in their last ten games so yeah still looks to be a coin flip or slightly worse to me. How hard is their remaining schedule?

Looks fairly weak, of their last two games one is against San Antonio though, but they'll be probably in resting mode already, so a waste of tough opponent, but the final game is against Houston, the current 8th seed... that could become a very interesting game.