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Title: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: crownontherocks on February 11, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
SA offered D Blair to Detroit but nothing. Hear Boston, Miami, Portland could have interest.

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Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Boris Badenov on February 11, 2013, 10:07:53 PM
At least we don't have to worry about him tearing an ACL.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 11, 2013, 10:15:43 PM
not interested
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Kane3387 on February 11, 2013, 10:23:18 PM
We would have to likely move Fab straight up.

I guess it could be a part of a bigger deal.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 11, 2013, 10:25:48 PM
If they offered Blair for nothing I think it's one of two possibilities;

1) Blair is really really angry with his role, and it's becoming a thing, or the spurs front office is sympathic to his cause and is entertaining moving him to a team that would play him

2) It's a salary thing, and in that case we have no assets we could move.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Who on February 11, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
I imagine they are looking for a late first for Blair.

I say "no". I don't think Blair is worth a future first.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Geo123 on February 12, 2013, 12:33:54 AM
Blair for the right price  would be good to me.   He's a rebounder adn doesn't nee dth eball offensively..





Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 12, 2013, 12:46:34 AM
Get it to a bigger deal moving Bass for a PG or decent SG. Have Terry really take over ball control of the 2nd unit.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 12, 2013, 12:55:51 AM
not interested
Why? He could help with our rebounding problem.

How about a three way deal with Houston?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d448qgk
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 12, 2013, 01:03:58 AM
not interested
Why? He could help with our rebounding problem.

How about a three way deal with Houston?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d448qgk

Don't think Houston likes the idea of tying up cap space in Brandon Bass.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Evantime34 on February 12, 2013, 01:10:47 AM
not interested
Why? He could help with our rebounding problem.

How about a three way deal with Houston?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d448qgk

Don't think Houston likes the idea of tying up cap space in Brandon Bass.
Darn you are probably right. I think that is a reasonable return package for Bass but the question is what team would  want him. I was thinking the Bobcats because they are under the cap but they don't have anything San Antonio would want (that they would give up for Bass). Any suggestions on possible Bass destinations? I'm picking Bass because he probably is the most expendable of our players at this point and time.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: nostar on February 12, 2013, 01:13:05 AM
Love Blair, hope he's a Celtic soon. I'd move Bass for him but that is about it. Is it's possible he could be had for cash considerations?
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 12, 2013, 01:34:15 AM
not interested
Why? He could help with our rebounding problem.

How about a three way deal with Houston?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d448qgk

Don't think Houston likes the idea of tying up cap space in Brandon Bass.
Darn you are probably right. I think that is a reasonable return package for Bass but the question is what team would  want him. I was thinking the Bobcats because they are under the cap but they don't have anything San Antonio would want (that they would give up for Bass). Any suggestions on possible Bass destinations? I'm picking Bass because he probably is the most expendable of our players at this point and time.

Bass probable destination to me is: team capped out already and next year (so the on the contract is acceptable fallout). A team with a big need of a capable jump shooting 4 as a starter or big minutes backup.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 12, 2013, 05:50:07 AM
He is tough but woefully undersized.  I doubt he is over 6'7".
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: CFAN38 on February 12, 2013, 08:03:20 AM
I'm not sure what trade the Cs can make for Blair. With the current healthy roster and salaries to match anything outside of Melo for Blair is tough to work out.

Dont love the idea of trading Terry right now but this works.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=avnyyeb

the spurs would recieve future 2nds from indy and boston. I cant see Blair in the last year of his deal being worth a 1st.


If he can be resigned for cheap he could make for a nice 4th big if bass can be moved for a longer 3rd big.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 12, 2013, 08:21:48 AM
Why. Why. Why. Why. Why.

Why does this team always look into the undersized big men?

I cant take it any longer!
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: scaryjerry on February 12, 2013, 09:42:24 AM
uh no thanks
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Post by: Chris on February 12, 2013, 09:44:10 AM
Why. Why. Why. Why. Why.

Why does this team always look into the undersized big men?

I cant take it any longer!

Because you can actually get undersized big men who know how to play basketball.  Big men who aren't undersized, and know how to play basketball are rarely available, and almost never available if you aren't willing to pay a REALLY high price. 
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 12, 2013, 09:58:41 AM
Why. Why. Why. Why. Why.

Why does this team always look into the undersized big men?

I cant take it any longer!

Because you can actually get undersized big men who know how to play basketball.  Big men who aren't undersized, and know how to play basketball are rarely available, and almost never available if you aren't willing to pay a REALLY high price.

I say pay the price. The last time we had a legit healthy big man we won a championship. Since then with the Undersized big by committee, our inside presence has been lacking greatly.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Chris on February 12, 2013, 10:00:43 AM
Why. Why. Why. Why. Why.

Why does this team always look into the undersized big men?

I cant take it any longer!

Because you can actually get undersized big men who know how to play basketball.  Big men who aren't undersized, and know how to play basketball are rarely available, and almost never available if you aren't willing to pay a REALLY high price.

I say pay the price. The last time we had a legit healthy big man we won a championship. Since then with the Undersized big by committee, our inside presence has been lacking greatly.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the price is?
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Fafnir on February 12, 2013, 10:01:13 AM
Why. Why. Why. Why. Why.

Why does this team always look into the undersized big men?

I cant take it any longer!

Because you can actually get undersized big men who know how to play basketball.  Big men who aren't undersized, and know how to play basketball are rarely available, and almost never available if you aren't willing to pay a REALLY high price.

I say pay the price. The last time we had a legit healthy big man we won a championship. Since then with the Undersized big by committee, our inside presence has been lacking greatly.
We don't have anything to pay the price with.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Fafnir on February 12, 2013, 10:02:37 AM
Why. Why. Why. Why. Why.

Why does this team always look into the undersized big men?

I cant take it any longer!

Because you can actually get undersized big men who know how to play basketball.  Big men who aren't undersized, and know how to play basketball are rarely available, and almost never available if you aren't willing to pay a REALLY high price.

I say pay the price. The last time we had a legit healthy big man we won a championship. Since then with the Undersized big by committee, our inside presence has been lacking greatly.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the price is?
Rondo, pre-acl injury, in all likelyhood if we're talking about someone who's good. Right now, maybe Pierce could land one in a three-way deal cooked together.

Otherwise we're not getting a good big man with size for anything else we have to offer. First round picks and Bass isn't getting an upgrade.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: hpantazo on February 12, 2013, 10:03:05 AM
I like Blair, but this would be defined as enabling Doc Rivers. He would now have a 6'7 guy he can play at center for long stretches. Don't do it Danny!
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Chris on February 12, 2013, 10:05:07 AM
Why. Why. Why. Why. Why.

Why does this team always look into the undersized big men?

I cant take it any longer!

Because you can actually get undersized big men who know how to play basketball.  Big men who aren't undersized, and know how to play basketball are rarely available, and almost never available if you aren't willing to pay a REALLY high price.

I say pay the price. The last time we had a legit healthy big man we won a championship. Since then with the Undersized big by committee, our inside presence has been lacking greatly.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the price is?
Rondo, pre-acl injury, in all likelyhood if we're talking about someone who's good. Right now, maybe Pierce could land one in a three-way deal cooked together.

Otherwise we're not getting a good big man with size for anything else we have to offer. First round picks and Bass isn't getting an upgrade.

Right.  There is a chance you could get a guy like Gortat by sending Bradley and filler.  But no matter what, you are going to be gutting a major part of the team to get a big man like that.

Now, I think that is something the C's should be pursuing in the offseason, as part of a rebuild/reload, but right now, they just don't have the pieces to spare.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Chris on February 12, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
For the record, I would love to bring in Blair, depending on the price.  I think he is very solid big man, and could really help this team the way Sully did.  He is not a cure-all, but when you have so few real assets that you can afford to give up, you can't really pick and choose. 
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on February 12, 2013, 10:28:02 AM
A 6-7 "center" who's averaging 4 rebounds a game?

No, thanks.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Fafnir on February 12, 2013, 10:33:12 AM
A 6-7 "center" who's averaging 4 rebounds a game?

No, thanks.
Minutes played matter. He's getting 13.7 MPG for the Spurs. That's 10 Reb per 36, he has a higher rebound rate than KG.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Chris on February 12, 2013, 10:35:43 AM
A 6-7 "center" who's averaging 4 rebounds a game?

No, thanks.
Minutes played matter. He's getting 13.7 MPG for the Spurs. That's 10 Reb per 36, he has a higher rebound rate than KG.

Yeah, he is an excellent rebounder.  He is just caught in a numbers game in San Antonio. 

Put him on the C's, and he would be their 3rd or 2nd best big man immediately. 
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Fafnir on February 12, 2013, 10:36:47 AM
A 6-7 "center" who's averaging 4 rebounds a game?

No, thanks.
Minutes played matter. He's getting 13.7 MPG for the Spurs. That's 10 Reb per 36, he has a higher rebound rate than KG.

Yeah, he is an excellent rebounder.  He is just caught in a numbers game in San Antonio. 

Put him on the C's, and he would be their 3rd or 2nd best big man immediately.
Yeah rebounding isn't his issue, its defense.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Chris on February 12, 2013, 10:48:14 AM
A 6-7 "center" who's averaging 4 rebounds a game?

No, thanks.
Minutes played matter. He's getting 13.7 MPG for the Spurs. That's 10 Reb per 36, he has a higher rebound rate than KG.

Yeah, he is an excellent rebounder.  He is just caught in a numbers game in San Antonio. 

Put him on the C's, and he would be their 3rd or 2nd best big man immediately.
Yeah rebounding isn't his issue, its defense.

Yeah.  He is basically Brandon Bass defensively (OK, that may even be generous).  But still, he is a useful player. 
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 12, 2013, 10:52:20 AM
Anyone else read the quote in the OP as "for nothing", like they would give him away for a top-57 protected 2nd or something?  It's a bit less appealing on the reread. 

Blair would be better than nothing  ;) but isn't going to be some game-changer here.  I do think fans would mostly like him, he plays hard and gritty despite some gaps in his game.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: LilRip on February 12, 2013, 11:20:20 AM
i'd love to get Blair. Too bad, I don't know what we can give up for him though. But his playstyle would've quickly endeared him to C's fans (methinks).

Maybe if it were a package, coz what the Celtics really need right now is a guard, regardless if it's a 1 or a 2
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: ssspence on February 12, 2013, 11:21:45 AM
I can't imagine SAS netting a mid-first for Blair. So I'd assume the trade would be Barbosa and a pick -- If the Cs only had to give up a 2nd for him, I'm game.

Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Who on February 12, 2013, 11:21:54 AM
Anyone else read the quote in the OP as "for nothing", like they would give him away for a top-57 protected 2nd or something?  It's a bit less appealing on the reread. 

Blair would be better than nothing  ;) but isn't going to be some game-changer here.  I do think fans would mostly like him, he plays hard and gritty despite some gaps in his game.

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SA offered D Blair to Detroit but nothing. Hear Boston, Miami, Portland could have interest.

As in "but nothing came of it [trade talks]".

Not they offered Blair "for nothing in return".
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Who on February 12, 2013, 11:26:09 AM
I can't imagine SAS netting a mid-first for Blair. So I'd assume the trade would be Barbosa and a pick -- If the Cs only had to give up a 2nd for him, I'm game.
Yeah, trading Barbosa would be a good way to keep the roster spots open. Good idea.

I think that makes DeJuan Blair more valuable ... if you can keep those two extra roster spots open and bring in a big man who can play quality defense (like Kenyon Martin) in addition to Blair + still have a roster spot to spend to on a perimeter player.

The Celtics first round pick would be too high. Maybe they would need to trade down. Or maybe swap firsts with the Spurs. Em, huh, not wild about that idea. Two 2nd round picks maybe?

Maybe they could make those 2nd rounders conditional like the Rockets did with Houston so that San Antonio only gets them if they are in the top half of the 2nd round. That could be appealing. A pair of good 2nd rounders.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 12, 2013, 11:34:06 AM
Anyone else read the quote in the OP as "for nothing", like they would give him away for a top-57 protected 2nd or something?  It's a bit less appealing on the reread. 

Blair would be better than nothing  ;) but isn't going to be some game-changer here.  I do think fans would mostly like him, he plays hard and gritty despite some gaps in his game.

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SA offered D Blair to Detroit but nothing. Hear Boston, Miami, Portland could have interest.

As in "but nothing came of it [trade talks]".

Not they offered Blair "for nothing in return".

Yeah, that's what I said - I misread it the first time, caught it, and was asking if anyone else made the same mistake.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 12, 2013, 11:46:43 AM
Anyone else read the quote in the OP as "for nothing", like they would give him away for a top-57 protected 2nd or something?  It's a bit less appealing on the reread. 

Blair would be better than nothing  ;) but isn't going to be some game-changer here.  I do think fans would mostly like him, he plays hard and gritty despite some gaps in his game.

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SA offered D Blair to Detroit but nothing. Hear Boston, Miami, Portland could have interest.

As in "but nothing came of it [trade talks]".

Not they offered Blair "for nothing in return".

Yeah, that's what I said - I misread it the first time, caught it, and was asking if anyone else made the same mistake.

No, San Antonio got 'nothing in terms of a reply', not as in they were offering DaJaun Blair for nothing actually IN return.

Hope that helps clear it up.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 12, 2013, 11:56:03 AM
Anyone else read the quote in the OP as "for nothing", like they would give him away for a top-57 protected 2nd or something?  It's a bit less appealing on the reread. 

Blair would be better than nothing  ;) but isn't going to be some game-changer here.  I do think fans would mostly like him, he plays hard and gritty despite some gaps in his game.

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SA offered D Blair to Detroit but nothing. Hear Boston, Miami, Portland could have interest.

As in "but nothing came of it [trade talks]".

Not they offered Blair "for nothing in return".

Yeah, that's what I said - I misread it the first time, caught it, and was asking if anyone else made the same mistake.

No, San Antonio got 'nothing in terms of a reply', not as in they were offering DaJaun Blair for nothing actually IN return.

Hope that helps clear it up.

So you're saying they already traded him for nothing even though they wanted more?  Hmmm - seems like a bad move, but Popovich plays the long game...
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: ssspence on February 12, 2013, 11:56:38 AM
I can't imagine SAS netting a mid-first for Blair. So I'd assume the trade would be Barbosa and a pick -- If the Cs only had to give up a 2nd for him, I'm game.
Yeah, trading Barbosa would be a good way to keep the roster spots open. Good idea.

I think that makes DeJuan Blair more valuable ... if you can keep those two extra roster spots open and bring in a big man who can play quality defense (like Kenyon Martin) in addition to Blair + still have a roster spot to spend to on a perimeter player.

The Celtics first round pick would be too high. Maybe they would need to trade down. Or maybe swap firsts with the Spurs. Em, huh, not wild about that idea. Two 2nd round picks maybe?

Maybe they could make those 2nd rounders conditional like the Rockets did with Houston so that San Antonio only gets them if they are in the top half of the 2nd round. That could be appealing. A pair of good 2nd rounders.

Yeah -- the 2 2nds crossed my mind. The Cs own some SAC picks a few years out (which would smell like good 2nd rounders). They could throw one in as well.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Cman on February 12, 2013, 12:07:49 PM
He could definitely help us, but it is an issue of cost vs. benefit. He would provide good depth at the PF, but there is the risk that we can't afford him next year, so we are really only looking at a one year rental...
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 12, 2013, 12:11:06 PM
I can't imagine SAS netting a mid-first for Blair. So I'd assume the trade would be Barbosa and a pick -- If the Cs only had to give up a 2nd for him, I'm game.
Yeah, trading Barbosa would be a good way to keep the roster spots open. Good idea.

I think that makes DeJuan Blair more valuable ... if you can keep those two extra roster spots open and bring in a big man who can play quality defense (like Kenyon Martin) in addition to Blair + still have a roster spot to spend to on a perimeter player.

The Celtics first round pick would be too high. Maybe they would need to trade down. Or maybe swap firsts with the Spurs. Em, huh, not wild about that idea. Two 2nd round picks maybe?

Maybe they could make those 2nd rounders conditional like the Rockets did with Houston so that San Antonio only gets them if they are in the top half of the 2nd round. That could be appealing. A pair of good 2nd rounders.

Yeah -- the 2 2nds crossed my mind. The Cs own some SAC picks a few years out (which would smell like good 2nd rounders). They could throw one in as well.

Was thinking the same: Barbosa and a future 2nd or two. Those Sacto 2nds will never come to Boston, though: they are so heavily protected (top-55, I think) that Sacto will never conceivably have to pay up.

Celtics have no 2013 2nds, but have two in 2014 (their own, and Brooklyn's). I'd be fine giving up one of those for Blair.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on February 12, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
A 6-7 "center" who's averaging 4 rebounds a game?

No, thanks.
Minutes played matter. He's getting 13.7 MPG for the Spurs. That's 10 Reb per 36, he has a higher rebound rate than KG.

A fair point, and makes me more interested, but 6-7? Yikes. We're already undersized.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 12, 2013, 01:18:57 PM
Blair would instantly be our 2nd best big, even if Bass remained on the roster.

I could live with a big man rotation of: Garnett, Blair, Bass, Wilcox & Collins.  Green would still likely get minutes at PF too against the Knicks/Heat.
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Lucky17 on February 12, 2013, 01:21:52 PM
Would Blair's Bird Rights be acquired in the deal as well? Does he have Bird Rights at this point in his career?
Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: Boris Badenov on February 12, 2013, 01:38:48 PM
Blair has recently been sidelined with knee trouble:

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/01/30/notes-on-a-shootaround-blair-joins-duncan-on-injured-list/

Not a big deal normally, but it is a concern given his history. I'd hate to acquire a player who ends up sitting.


Title: Re: Celtics interested in D Blair?
Post by: KGs Knee on February 12, 2013, 01:44:32 PM
Would Blair's Bird Rights be acquired in the deal as well? Does he have Bird Rights at this point in his career?

Yes, we would retain his full Bird Right's in a trade for him.  This is his fourth season.  Blair was drafted in the 2nd round, thus meaning he carries no qualifying offer, however (he is actually already on his 2nd contract).

Blair could be aquired in a straight up swap for any of Barbosa, Wilcox, Collins, Melo or Sullinger.