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Title: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: krook on February 11, 2013, 04:17:58 AM
7 Game Winning Streak With Rajan Rondo Out


Heat Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

13:54min
4 Rebounds



Kings Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

37:36min
4 Rebounds


Orlando Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

26:27min
7 Rebounds



Clippers Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

29:40min
8 Rebounds


Raptors Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

23:50min
3 Rebounds



Lakers Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

25:18min
4 Rebounds



Denver Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

32:33min
4 Rebounds


Is That OK For A Power Forward?
   
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step Us Or He Has To Go
Post by: fitzhickey on February 11, 2013, 04:57:47 AM
Nope, I've been wanting him out for a while, we need some rebounding presence.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Chief on February 11, 2013, 09:22:47 AM
He's terrible.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 11, 2013, 09:36:26 AM
and yet, we are completely over a barrel. We need him desperately.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: scaryjerry on February 11, 2013, 09:41:06 AM
Remember last season when we were so giddy with excitement over how awesome the baby for bass deal was?

LOL

Granted baby went out this year(magic can't win without him) but wow baby was never this bad.....and this is how I remember bass and why he was always buried on done I ones bench or in some ones dog house.....last year was actually the aberration
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: dreamgreen on February 11, 2013, 09:42:10 AM
I thought he was a trade chip the moment we signed him. Rumor on hoopshype is Millsap will be traded, love to somehow turn Bass into Millsap, Danny needs to be creative here.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: CelticG1 on February 11, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
How has our overall rebounding been without Sully? It seems like its been better whether its a coincidence or not.

I still think I prefer Bass to Baby. Bass at least plays his role whether he is succeeding or not. Baby just jacks up inefficient shots.

Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 11, 2013, 10:07:05 AM
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Levis107 on February 11, 2013, 10:31:51 AM
Unfortunately with that contract, Bass isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: CelticG1 on February 11, 2013, 10:44:15 AM
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.

Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.

Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Bankshot on February 11, 2013, 10:46:38 AM
I think Bass' terrible hands adds to his rebounding woes.  Rebounds just slip through his fingers.  He touches the ball, but can't keep hold of it.  It either slips through his fingers or someone takes it away. :-\  It's just like trying to throw a difficult pass to him, you should never do it because he's never going to catch it.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: LEHGOCELTICS on February 11, 2013, 10:47:53 AM
He needs to go. He's not gonna step his game up.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Fafnir on February 11, 2013, 10:55:28 AM
Remember last season when we were so giddy with excitement over how awesome the baby for bass deal was?

LOL

Granted baby went out this year(magic can't win without him) but wow baby was never this bad.....and this is how I remember bass and why he was always buried on done I ones bench or in some ones dog house.....last year was actually the aberration
Davis was exactly this bad for us.

Bass's rebound rate this year: 11.1
Davis's rebound rate last year in BOS: 11.4

Bass TS% this year: .500
Davis TS% last year in BOS: .499

Bass's rebounding hasn't surprised me (it was just 11.5 last year), its his overall poor jump shooting. He was a 50% catch and shoot guy last year, this year I think he's under 40% or something close to that.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Fafnir on February 11, 2013, 10:56:20 AM
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.

Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.

Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
Yeah, its Bass's shooting that's been so shockingly bad compared to his career make rate.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 11, 2013, 11:00:07 AM
Brandon Bass is my least concern right now. I'm way more worried by the fact that he doesn't have a legitimate backup.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: CelticG1 on February 11, 2013, 11:00:35 AM
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.

Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.

Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
Yeah, its Bass's shooting that's been so shockingly bad compared to his career make rate.

It looked like it was dropping.a bit more when Rondo was put but not so much the past couple games.

I also love this.notion that now guys like Green and Terry are playing well so don't trade them but trade Bass who's been terrible. Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 11, 2013, 11:05:25 AM
Bass has the effort, he lacks the hands or skill to actually "grab" the rebound.

Bass is pretty good about wanting to rebound, he just doesn't have box out , positioning skills of say Larry Bird or Sully.

Bass gets a finger or touch on alt of rebounds.........he needs to rebound with both hands......

Bass can jump,  he just has awful technic    :'(
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Kane3387 on February 11, 2013, 11:06:24 AM
Unfortunately with that contract, Bass isn't going anywhere.

Probably right.

If we moved another asset along with him like a first rounder or fab then we might be able to get a guy on a similarly lengthed contract who is annually paid a little more.

Likely needs to be from a lottery team with little hope of contending in the immediate future.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: LooseCannon on February 11, 2013, 11:30:13 AM
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.

Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.

Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
Yeah, its Bass's shooting that's been so shockingly bad compared to his career make rate.

It's so out of line that it looks more like this season is an outlier rather than this season being Bass showing his true colors, in the absence of any obvious age or injury concerns.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 11, 2013, 11:32:33 AM
Bass has never really been a great rebounder I dont know why that would change now. I agree that Bass has played terrible this year. At least his effort and hustle has gone up a little bit over the past couple games. Still isnt showing in his production though. He has no value in a trade but Im still sending him out for the highest bidder.

Yeah I don't get the complaints about Bass or Green when it comes to rebounding. They have never been good at rebounding. So they either have never given effort in their career or more likely they are just not talented rebounders.

Its like pointing out Rondos free throw shooting every game, but worse.
Yeah, its Bass's shooting that's been so shockingly bad compared to his career make rate.

It's so out of line that it looks more like this season is an outlier rather than this season being Bass showing his true colors, in the absence of any obvious age or injury concerns.
He looks like he's trying to do too much to justtify his new contract. Someone has to pull him over to say it's ok to just hit an open 18-footer and play solid defense.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: LooseCannon on February 11, 2013, 11:39:29 AM
It might be that Bass is trying to justify his spot in the starting lineup.  He's shooting at a somewhat higher percentage since Sullinger went out and he has a higher shooting percentage in games where he starts.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: slamtheking on February 11, 2013, 12:16:33 PM

He looks like he's trying to do too much to justtify his new contract. Someone has to pull him over to say it's ok to just hit an open 18-footer and play solid defense.
This.

I think this nails the problem down short and sweet.  It's not that he's goofing off like Blount.  He looks like he's overthinking things and trying a little too hard on offense.  if he just did what he did last year and shoot his open jumpers (and make them), there'd be less complaints about his game.  (there'll always be complaints about his rebounding)
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: droopdog7 on February 11, 2013, 12:20:12 PM
If by out, you mean out of the rotation, well at least that is logical.  If by out you mean, traded for something better, then why should another team give us something better?  If you consider him garbage, then don't expect anything but garbage in return.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 11, 2013, 12:22:00 PM

He looks like he's trying to do too much to justtify his new contract. Someone has to pull him over to say it's ok to just hit an open 18-footer and play solid defense.
This.

I think this nails the problem down short and sweet.  It's not that he's goofing off like Blount.  He looks like he's overthinking things and trying a little too hard on offense.  if he just did what he did last year and shoot his open jumpers (and make them), there'd be less complaints about his game.  (there'll always be complaints about his rebounding)
Yup.

Last year, he took open jumpers with no hesitation, and he made them with great efficiency.

This year, there always seems to be a shade of hesitation about whether to take it to the rack for a lay-in. And while taking it to the rack is theoretically producing easier looks, it's the hesitation that's turned Bass from a prolific shooter into a mediocre one.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 11, 2013, 12:23:39 PM
He has no excuse anymore Sully isn't breathing down his back, last night the one he took was outside his range.

I would prefer to see him dealt though.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Chief on February 11, 2013, 01:23:09 PM
He just does not have a big man skill set. He's a sf according to Charles Barkley.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 11, 2013, 01:28:37 PM
He just does not have a big man skill set. He's a sf according to Charles Barkley.

A very slow, clumsy SF.

I wish we could just take his strength and rebounding and put it into Jeff Green. Then we'd have a complete combo forward on this team.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 11, 2013, 01:56:31 PM
He just does not have a big man skill set. He's a sf according to Charles Barkley.
Chuck apparently missed the memo saying that in the NBA, you are what you can defend. Not going to be the first time he'd be talking out of the wrong end.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: krook on February 11, 2013, 11:50:37 PM
he is too slow for sf, better just stay in pf, even if you cant rebounds
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: ScottHow on February 11, 2013, 11:55:03 PM
He has that bad combo of low bball iq, poor rebounding, no inside game, no 3 point shot, and poor passing. That's not getting you far, lol
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Evantime34 on February 12, 2013, 12:00:26 AM
To me I think he is the player most likely to move. I think he could have some use to a young team trying to make it in the playoffs.

Maybe something like this http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cffk2ut
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: krook on February 15, 2013, 06:17:12 AM
To me I think he is the player most likely to move. I think he could have some use to a young team trying to make it in the playoffs.

Maybe something like this http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cffk2ut

trade machine don't work
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 15, 2013, 07:33:01 AM
 He is a mediocre rebounder and he does not protect the rim well.  Other than that he is a decent albeit small PF.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 15, 2013, 08:19:03 AM
Agreed but at this rate who would want him.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: action781 on February 15, 2013, 08:25:08 AM
7 Game Winning Streak With Rajan Rondo Out


Heat Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

13:54min
4 Rebounds


Orlando Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

26:27min
7 Rebounds



Clippers Vs Celtics
Brandon Bass

29:40min
8 Rebounds


Is That OK For A Power Forward?

Um, yes.  Actually that is perfectly fine for a PF.  Players like Serge Ibaka, David West, Paul Millsap and Marc Gasol average under 8 rebounds per game.  Notice how few minutes he played in the first 2 games here.  He can't be to blame for that.

And its an interesting theory, but I rarely subscribe to theories that when a team is on a 7 game winning streak, one of their starting 5 "has to go" because of below average production in a single statistic in 4/7 of those games.

That and also, he's grabbed 7 and 9 rebounds in the 2 next games against Charlotte and Chicago.

If there's one players' rebounding who I'm concerned about its Jeff Green.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 15, 2013, 08:28:36 AM
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game.  He put in work big time.

I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar.  If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 15, 2013, 08:37:20 AM
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game.  He put in work big time.

I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar.  If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2013, 08:44:21 AM
If there's one players' rebounding who I'm concerned about its Jeff Green.
Yeah despite getting more minutes at "PF" his rebounding has remained blah, a lot of sub 6 TRB% games since Sullinger went out.

Part of that though is that Pierce has been busting his but on the glass. It'd be nice if Green showed that he could step up in the same manner.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 15, 2013, 08:45:21 AM
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game.  He put in work big time.

I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar.  If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.

Right now, I'm just hoping he can step up his game in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2013, 08:47:15 AM
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game.  He put in work big time.

I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar.  If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.

Right now, I'm just hoping he can step up his game in the second half of the season.
If he can get back to high 40s for his catch and shoot chances that alone would be a big boost.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 15, 2013, 09:00:05 AM
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game.  He put in work big time.

I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar.  If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.

Right now, I'm just hoping he can step up his game in the second half of the season.
If he can get back to high 40s for his catch and shoot chances that alone would be a big boost.
He's been much better in February (.500 from the field with 2 assists per game). Let's hope he can build on that.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 15, 2013, 09:32:40 AM
I give Bass huge props for the Chicago game.  He put in work big time.

I'd hate to see him go, because he's been hustling all year. But his production has been subpar.  If a deal comes along with an upgrade at the 4 or 5, Danny needs to make that trade.
You'll never be able to trade someone for their upgraded version. Bass isn't going anywhere -- and that's ok.

Right now, I'm just hoping he can step up his game in the second half of the season.
If he can get back to high 40s for his catch and shoot chances that alone would be a big boost.
He's been much better in February (.500 from the field with 2 assists per game). Let's hope he can build on that.

Agreed. He has looked like a different player showing a ton more hustle and effort. Something inspired him as of late. He looks like a bit of the player he was turning out to be last year in flashes lately.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Celtics18 on February 15, 2013, 09:34:33 AM
I think that if anyone gets traded, it will be some combination of Lee, Green and/or Bradley.  I just don't think that Bass has very much value in a trade right now. 

It was nice to see him have one of his better games in recent memory right before the all star break.  Hopefully, this gives him some confidence to come out and play better more consistently when the team returns to action.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Cman on February 15, 2013, 09:57:51 AM
I think that if anyone gets traded, it will be some combination of Lee, Green and/or Bradley.  I just don't think that Bass has very much value in a trade right now. 

It was nice to see him have one of his better games in recent memory right before the all star break.  Hopefully, this gives him some confidence to come out and play better more consistently when the team returns to action.

Yes, I agree with all these sentiments.

He doesn't "have to go" if he plays poorly -- rather, no one will take him. And its not worth it for the Cs to "pay" someone to take him (ie with a draft pick).

And if he starts playing lights out, well then thats a reason to trade him, no? Because then his value will be higher?

In short, I think its not: "Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go"
but rather "Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up So As To Increase His Value (to the Cs or to a potential trade partner)"
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Moranis on February 15, 2013, 10:13:56 AM
If Phoenix offered Bass for Beasley, would you do it?  They have very similar contracts so the money is a wash, it comes down to preference on the player.  So what do you do if that deal is on the table.

I probably take the deal because for all of Beasley's flaws, he does have immense talent and maybe coming here with this team will get him to focus.  Since the dollars are the same, I say it is worth the risk. 

What say you?

And for the record that is about the only deal I can see for Bass, where he isn't just in there for dollars, and where no other assets are going out with him.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2013, 10:15:01 AM
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 15, 2013, 10:51:51 AM
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.

This, and we don't need a third SF.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Fafnir on February 15, 2013, 11:05:27 AM
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.

This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 15, 2013, 11:27:58 AM
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.

This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Moranis on February 15, 2013, 11:36:55 AM
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.

This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
They are pretty similar, the difficulty with Beasley is that he has played SF a lot more and thus is further away from the hoop.  As a PF, Beasley is actually a better rebounder than Bass if you look at RB% (and discount Bass' first two seasons when he barely played).
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: action781 on February 15, 2013, 11:46:14 AM
If Phoenix offered Bass for Beasley, would you do it?  They have very similar contracts so the money is a wash, it comes down to preference on the player.  So what do you do if that deal is on the table.

I probably take the deal because for all of Beasley's flaws, he does have immense talent and maybe coming here with this team will get him to focus.  Since the dollars are the same, I say it is worth the risk. 

What say you?

And for the record that is about the only deal I can see for Bass, where he isn't just in there for dollars, and where no other assets are going out with him.

Oh my...

When people say they want to throw up when they read certain posts, I now know how they feel.

Bass is a GOOD fit for this team.  Beasley would be a bad fit.  I can't see him possibly learning our system and our team defense schemes.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 15, 2013, 12:00:14 PM
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.

This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
They are pretty similar, the difficulty with Beasley is that he has played SF a lot more and thus is further away from the hoop.  As a PF, Beasley is actually a better rebounder than Bass if you look at RB% (and discount Bass' first two seasons when he barely played).
Assuming that his low TRR is an artifact of a position shift after he left Miami -- sure. I'll grant you that they're somewhat comparable.

One way or the other though, I don't think it's a clever long-term plan to invest resources in a PF who rebounds at the rate of Brandon Bass.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: LooseCannon on February 15, 2013, 01:43:03 PM
There's a non-negligible chance that Beasley will be a more infuriating player than Vin Baker.  He's a soft pothead with a reputation for complaining if he doesn't get enough touches on offense and playing atrocious defense.  I would try to avoid him even if he was available as a minimum salary gamble.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Moranis on February 15, 2013, 01:47:23 PM
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.

This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
They are pretty similar, the difficulty with Beasley is that he has played SF a lot more and thus is further away from the hoop.  As a PF, Beasley is actually a better rebounder than Bass if you look at RB% (and discount Bass' first two seasons when he barely played).
Assuming that his low TRR is an artifact of a position shift after he left Miami -- sure. I'll grant you that they're somewhat comparable.

One way or the other though, I don't think it's a clever long-term plan to invest resources in a PF who rebounds at the rate of Brandon Bass.
The investment in Beasley is actually a bit less than the investment in Bass.  So I fail to see what point you are getting at.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: krook on February 15, 2013, 09:42:36 PM
I'd probably keep Bass, though Beasley would be tempting. I just don't have much faith in his potential anymore.
Not sure why he would be tempting. He's been in the doghouse on every team he's been, and his production has fallen off a cliff. He can't get ahead of Jared Dudley and PJ Tucker in Phoenix at this point -- I don't think I'm going out on a limb when by saying that Bass is a more valuable team player at this point.

This, and we don't need a third SF.
I think he's still best as a PF, worst thing that happened to him is when he ended up in Minnesota and they tried to make him a SF.
His problem at PF is that he's a pathetic rebounder (and if you thought Bass was bad -- Beasley is actually worse). I don't think he'll be any more useful at PF that Bargnani is, and I want no part of Bargs either.
They are pretty similar, the difficulty with Beasley is that he has played SF a lot more and thus is further away from the hoop.  As a PF, Beasley is actually a better rebounder than Bass if you look at RB% (and discount Bass' first two seasons when he barely played).
Assuming that his low TRR is an artifact of a position shift after he left Miami -- sure. I'll grant you that they're somewhat comparable.

One way or the other though, I don't think it's a clever long-term plan to invest resources in a PF who rebounds at the rate of Brandon Bass.
The investment in Beasley is actually a bit less than the investment in Bass.  So I fail to see what point you are getting at.

i'd better take my guy luis scola, best player in pheonix suns in a bad team
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: LooseCannon on February 15, 2013, 10:18:51 PM
As a player claimed on amnesty waivers, Scola can't be traded until July 1.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: kozlodoev on February 15, 2013, 10:23:26 PM
The investment in Beasley is actually a bit less than the investment in Bass.  So I fail to see what point you are getting at.
I didn't mean money. I expect you the idea is to bring Beasley in order to groom him as some sort of a critical piece of the starting lineup, because he certainly isn't (and won't be) a roleplayer. That's, chiefly, a waste of time -- I'd stick with the known commodity, even if he wasn't picked second in the draft.
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on February 15, 2013, 10:27:40 PM
Bass been Thumpin

trade talks stop
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 15, 2013, 10:46:52 PM
You guys don't see when he IS stepping up. Sigh. Trades, trades, trades are all you want!
Title: Re: Brandon Bass Needs To Step-Up Or He Has To Go
Post by: Moranis on February 15, 2013, 11:04:03 PM
The investment in Beasley is actually a bit less than the investment in Bass.  So I fail to see what point you are getting at.
I didn't mean money. I expect you the idea is to bring Beasley in order to groom him as some sort of a critical piece of the starting lineup, because he certainly isn't (and won't be) a roleplayer. That's, chiefly, a waste of time -- I'd stick with the known commodity, even if he wasn't picked second in the draft.
No I just think he has more upside and a better chance to actually contribute in an effective manner.  He is a much more gifted all around offensive player, which is what the C's could use from the 4 spot.  Bass is pretty much a spot up shooter that has been unfortunately not hitting the broad side of a barn much this year.  I also think that if Beasley was actually in a good situation with a strong presence like KG that he might actually be a bit less of a knucklehead.