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Title: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: gpap on February 10, 2013, 10:41:23 PM
-On one hand, the Celtics are playing really well. 7 straight wins without Rondo (not much of a surprise, I've always felt it's a better team without him.)

AND, everyone is stepping up, from Paul/KG to Green, Terry, Barbosa, Lee and Bradley.

So for all intents and purposes, this is kinda like a Cinderella team right now

Do you keep things as is (maybe even add an addition for the stretch run) or do you possibly think about making a move if you don't think the Celts can win the East?

Right now, the trade value of the likes of Paul, KG, Terry and even Bass may not get any higher.

So do you think about making a splash now to build the next great Celtics team or do you just ride this thing out and hope the Cs can make a run at the finals?
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 10, 2013, 10:46:35 PM
TP. I was literally seconds away from making this same thread.

He's in a tough spot for sure. The team certainly has built some great chemistry and everybody has slid into their roles and bought in. Making a move could certainly disrupt a lot.

However, this team clearly needs a legit center who can defend and rebound. While the winning streak is nice the celtics have been POUNDED in the paint and have an obvious hole.

Now, even if you want to make a trade, who do you move? If you trade Bass for a center now you have to start KG at PF? If you move a guard (say Terry or Lee) now you are one injury away from being in real trouble.

I still think in the end, his options are just too limited and he stays put and searches the buy-out list
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: danglertx on February 10, 2013, 10:48:46 PM
I don't think there is a deal out there to build "the next great Celtics team."

Our best chance of winning it all the next two years are with Pierce and Garnett.  Maybe we pick up a C this year, there will probably be a couple buyouts.

If not, we get a D-League big and maybe Chris Wright who would really fit with this up and down style and see what happens.

 
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 10, 2013, 10:53:52 PM
All players are playing to their potential now. With Rondo, it seemed we were getting about 75% of their respective talent from the role players. Now everyone (especially the guards) are getting regular touches and free to play how they have their entire careers.

I think Ainge has to let this group fight this one out, they've earned it. No real fan can be mad at him standing pat with all they've shown us these last two weeks.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 10:57:01 PM
I think you do nothing.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 10, 2013, 10:57:58 PM
TP. I was literally seconds away from making this same thread.

He's in a tough spot for sure. The team certainly has built some great chemistry and everybody has slid into their roles and bought in. Making a move could certainly disrupt a lot.

However, this team clearly needs a legit center who can defend and rebound. While the winning streak is nice the celtics have been POUNDED in the paint and have an obvious hole.

Now, even if you want to make a trade, who do you move? If you trade Bass for a center now you have to start KG at PF? If you move a guard (say Terry or Lee) now you are one injury away from being in real trouble.

I still think in the end, his options are just too limited and he stays put and searches the buy-out list
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Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 10, 2013, 11:08:17 PM
If anything I think Danny's job got a bit easier because trade value of the guys are rising up. Sure it might disrupt chemistry but we still have a glaring need for a big dude, and this is a "strike while its hot" thing.

IMO.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: ssspence on February 10, 2013, 11:12:43 PM
I'd trade Rondo for 75 cents on the dollar -- likely for a solid 4 or 5 under the age of 30.

Like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=asrkap3

or this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=afrpu3d

or this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=atyuyh3
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: gpap on February 10, 2013, 11:19:28 PM
I'd trade Rondo for 75 cents on the dollar -- likely for a solid 4 or 5 under the age of 30.

Like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=asrkap3

or this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=afrpu3d

or this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=atyuyh3

Don't think Orlando and Atlanta go for trade 1 and 3. The second one is interesting. I would LOVE to get both Gortat and Milsap. Only problem is I am not sure Utah gets enough value back.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: ssspence on February 10, 2013, 11:22:32 PM
I'd trade Rondo for 75 cents on the dollar -- likely for a solid 4 or 5 under the age of 30.

Like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=asrkap3

or this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=afrpu3d

or this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=atyuyh3

Don't think Orlando and Atlanta go for trade 1 and 3. The second one is interesting. I would LOVE to get both Gortat and Milsap. Only problem is I am not sure Utah gets enough value back.

Just ideas -- the kind of stuff I'd be considering and discussing. 

Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: CelticSooner on February 10, 2013, 11:27:11 PM

I still think in the end, his options are just too limited and he stays put and searches the buy-out list

That's how I see it. Unless Ainge gets in on three team trade I don't know how he can get a legit big.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: eugen on February 10, 2013, 11:30:30 PM
Trade Rondo for a big man, to help KG
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: gpap on February 10, 2013, 11:36:41 PM
I'd trade Rondo for 75 cents on the dollar -- likely for a solid 4 or 5 under the age of 30.

Like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=asrkap3

or this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=afrpu3d

or this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=atyuyh3

Don't think Orlando and Atlanta go for trade 1 and 3. The second one is interesting. I would LOVE to get both Gortat and Milsap. Only problem is I am not sure Utah gets enough value back.

Just ideas -- the kind of stuff I'd be considering and discussing.

If Atlanta traded us Horford and Korver for Rondo/Bass, I'd personally drive Rondo and Bass to the airport (lol!)

I've always been a fan of Horford and imagine the extra life he'd give KG
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: eugen on February 10, 2013, 11:38:09 PM

If Atlanta traded us Horford and Korver for Rondo/Bass, I'd personally drive Rondo and Bass to the airport (lol!)


Better leave it for me...II have a big Van... ;D
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: gpap on February 10, 2013, 11:43:38 PM

If Atlanta traded us Horford and Korver for Rondo/Bass, I'd personally drive Rondo and Bass to the airport (lol!)


Better leave it for me...II have a big Van... ;D

Ha, nice. More room for the luggage
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: LooseCannon on February 10, 2013, 11:55:39 PM
I work under the assumption that this team can be a contender next season when Rondo and Sullinger are hopefully healthy and I only make moves that don't decrease the team's ability to compete next season.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 10, 2013, 11:59:13 PM
There isn't a real reason to sell low on Rondo. I think you ride it out, or make a very small trade. I don't think he'll move picks, I don't think he'll move Bradley, Rondo or Sullinger, and at this point I don't think he moves Lee or Terry. Bass, maybe, but who's buying Bass-o-matic?
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: eugen on February 11, 2013, 12:03:18 AM
I work under the assumption that this team can be a contender next season when Rondo and Sullinger are hopefully healthy and I only make moves that don't decrease the team's ability to compete next season.

The problem is that this team without Rondo playes much much better...This team now, does need Rondo. The team need a big man to help KG.

p.s.Do not connect Sully with Rondo situation
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 11, 2013, 12:10:41 AM
I still think you have to try and move Bass. But if not able to try and get someone like K-mart. But if we could get a decent PF or Center and if we need to Sign a center. But gotta love the way this team is playing right now.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on February 11, 2013, 12:16:45 AM
If I'm Danny I get Birdman... oh wait, too late, cHeat already did.

He is playing really well for them and is rounding into shape. That ticks me off b/c we needed him more and if we didn't try for him (I hope he turned us down), then we were stupid.


Now, we need a good big and while K-Mart isn't really a big, I think if he is healthy, we could use him! Get K-Mart and give picks for Dalembert and we're cooking!
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 11, 2013, 12:18:26 AM
I work under the assumption that this team can be a contender next season when Rondo and Sullinger are hopefully healthy and I only make moves that don't decrease the team's ability to compete next season.

The problem is that this team without Rondo playes much much better...This team now, does need Rondo. The team need a big man to help KG.

p.s.Do not connect Sully with Rondo situation

The team playing well right now doesn't equal the team playing better without Rondo over the course of a season. Every team has ebbs and flows. The best teams ebb less and flow more. 7 good games, 10 good games isn't a reason to trade your best building block and arguably your best player.

The team playing better without Rondo right now is what prop Joe would call 'one of them good problems'. It means we have a reason to watch.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: ssspence on February 11, 2013, 09:47:33 AM
There isn't a real reason to sell low on Rondo. I think you ride it out, or make a very small trade. I don't think he'll move picks, I don't think he'll move Bradley, Rondo or Sullinger, and at this point I don't think he moves Lee or Terry. Bass, maybe, but who's buying Bass-o-matic?

How about to increase the Cs slim chances of winning a title in 2013? If not now, then when?

I agree with you that without trading Rondo the Cs would only make a very small move, and would not trade Lee or Terry. Bass is not tradable for anything other than another mediocre long-term commitment (Gooden, etc). Rondo is the only asset who could bring back a player(s) of substantial impact.

Banner 18 is paramount to me. I'm not as enamored of building around Rondo as others, so I don't mind trading him to take a more serious shot at said banner.

Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: wdleehi on February 11, 2013, 09:55:40 AM
Answer the phones.


Listen to the offers.



If one comes that you like, agree to the trade.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: ssspence on February 11, 2013, 10:22:58 AM
Answer the phones.


Listen to the offers.



If one comes that you like, agree to the trade.

No proactivity?
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: wdleehi on February 11, 2013, 10:26:22 AM
Answer the phones.


Listen to the offers.



If one comes that you like, agree to the trade.

No proactivity?


Closer to the deadline if there is a contract the team wants to clear. 

Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Cman on February 11, 2013, 10:26:27 AM
Easy answer. I...

Answer the phones.


Listen to the offers.



If one comes that you like, agree to the trade.

^^do that.
:)
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: kgfor3 on February 11, 2013, 10:27:01 AM
When's the last time a trade happened involving a player who just tore his ACL?

My guess is never...
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Moranis on February 11, 2013, 10:32:09 AM
I don't think there is a deal out there to build "the next great Celtics team."

Our best chance of winning it all the next two years are with Pierce and Garnett.  Maybe we pick up a C this year, there will probably be a couple buyouts.

If not, we get a D-League big and maybe Chris Wright who would really fit with this up and down style and see what happens.
sure that would be our best chance, but how realistic is it.  If you are just prolonging rebuilding to squeeze a playoff series victory or two, but not get all that close to a title, what are you really doing?

The Celtics need to decide, and decide very quickly, just how close to a title they think they are and go from there. 

I personally think Boston is pretty far away and thus if I was running the team, I would be looking to dump salary and pick up assets and start rebuilding.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: CFAN38 on February 11, 2013, 10:34:22 AM
This is a tough spot for Danny to be in. The team is playing inspired ball but the pieces just aren't there for championship contention.

I would look to move bass in a deal that hopefully cuts the 1.5 mill to get cs out of luxury tax and brings in another 3/4. Move green into starting line up. Sign a fa Sf ( Gary Forbes?) and play out th year with small ball.

On draft night I would seriously consider trading rondo. My target would be a pg or center and top three pick. Ex dragic and 1st ( if top 3) or sessions and 1st. Goal being to get Noel worst case settle for Len.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: CoachBo on February 11, 2013, 10:35:57 AM
If I'm Ainge, I'm scouring the league for potential bigs I can add, particularly those who might be bought out.

And I'm laughing uproariously at all of the people who thought the season ended when Rondo went down, and laughing even harder at the ambulance chasers just dying to see this team blown up.

Add a big, and with the clearly improved product on the floor, who knows how long this season lasts.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: LEHGOCELTICS on February 11, 2013, 10:36:37 AM
Trade Bass in any way possible, for anything possible.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Chris on February 11, 2013, 10:49:15 AM
You let the market dictate what you do.  Danny is in a position right now, where he has the team in a decent (albeit not spectacular) position going forward, but also has assets that other teams will want right now.

Right now, their success is largely based on their chemistry and the way the current players are fitting together, and making a trade will more than likely change that a bit (or a lot), so that makes it tough to try to go all in to win right now. 

And, their old guys might provide more value to the team as players and veteran leaders teaching the young guys, than they would in a trade right now.

And then of course, you have Rondo, whose value is nowhere near what it should be, because of the injury.

So, Danny just needs to sit back right now.  Take calls on everyone on the roster, and let someone blow him away...or not. 
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Kane3387 on February 11, 2013, 10:50:42 AM
Keep the band together and see what potential bigs are available.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Fafnir on February 11, 2013, 10:52:18 AM
Yeah if you're going to make a trade it should be focused towards the future, no win now moves beyond maybe a minor shuffling.

See if a team will give you a lot for Pierce/KG or one of the role players. If not stick with your plan before Rondo's injury I guess.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: MBunge on February 11, 2013, 11:15:12 AM
I personally think Boston is pretty far away and thus if I was running the team, I would be looking to dump salary and pick up assets and start rebuilding.

I think Boston is still close enough to win a title to avoid any "blow up" moves.  I mean, Miami is really the only team in the East you'd make the Celtics big underdogs to at this point but the Heat are not a super-team.  They're just as small as Boston and if Green/Pierce and Lee/Avery can even slightly limit Bron and Wade, it might just take a few lucky bounces or big shots to defeat them.  And if you can get to the Finals, who knows?

If Boston were in the West and there were clearly 3 to 5 teams that were better and younger, a more radical approach might be warranted.

Mike
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: RAcker on February 11, 2013, 11:17:14 AM
Answer the phones.


Listen to the offers.



If one comes that you like, agree to the trade.
Yep.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Moranis on February 11, 2013, 12:05:54 PM
I personally think Boston is pretty far away and thus if I was running the team, I would be looking to dump salary and pick up assets and start rebuilding.

I think Boston is still close enough to win a title to avoid any "blow up" moves.  I mean, Miami is really the only team in the East you'd make the Celtics big underdogs to at this point but the Heat are not a super-team.  They're just as small as Boston and if Green/Pierce and Lee/Avery can even slightly limit Bron and Wade, it might just take a few lucky bounces or big shots to defeat them.  And if you can get to the Finals, who knows?

If Boston were in the West and there were clearly 3 to 5 teams that were better and younger, a more radical approach might be warranted.

Mike
Boston has won 7 straight games and is still just the 7th seed in the east.  Knicks, Pacers, Heat would be the 3 Eastern matchups if seeding held.  Not exactly a cake walk, though the Knicks would certainly be doable (I think Indy beats us however and the Heat certainly would).
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: droopdog7 on February 11, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
Trade Bass in any way possible, for anything possible.
Why?  If you think he's garbage, then why would you want other garbage instead?
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 11, 2013, 12:29:57 PM
I think that our win streak is great but some of our pieces are not giving us good return for our payout.   I would package Terry and Bass for a better big throw in Melo and a pick and see what it could get us.   If we get offered junk in return then do nothing but if we could get a nice piece, I would consider it.   There is no rush or need to make a deal but a big that could rebound and defend would be a big help.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 11, 2013, 12:30:17 PM
DA.   might be a tad more cautious trading. Rondo or anybody else after the never ending debate a bout trading  perk..LoL

unless its  a low risk or no brainier offer ...I don't see DA doing anything other tha n signing another cheap big or two to shore up the front line.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: Fred Roberts on February 11, 2013, 12:35:06 PM
I agree that Danny does nothing unless overwhelmed with an offer for someone whose value is really high right now.

Otherwise, hold tight and call up Darko and tell him to get in shape and come back to fill in as backup C. Done. Ride it out and see how we do come playoff time.
Title: Re: If You're Danny, what do you do?
Post by: kgfor3 on February 11, 2013, 12:37:10 PM
Sign Ben Wallace and hope for the best come playoff time.