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Title: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Roy H. on February 10, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
I have absolutely no desire to bring the Paul Pierce era to a premature close.  Even if we fall short of a title, I'll always appreciate games like tonight as a fan.  We're watching a Hall of Famer player, and I wouldn't give up that opportunity for Eric Bledsoe or whatever non-elite prospect we're supposedly going to get.

Great game tonight. 
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: ScottHow on February 10, 2013, 10:16:07 PM
As someone who is for trading Pierce and KG, I can say I certainly understand your point of view.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: CelticsFan9 on February 10, 2013, 10:16:14 PM
My list of favorite current Celtics used to go:

KG
Rondo
Pierce

Let's just say Paul is on Rondo's heels.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: jdz101 on February 10, 2013, 10:17:18 PM
I have absolutely no desire to bring the Paul Pierce era to a premature close.  Even if we fall short of a title, I'll always appreciate games like tonight as a fan.  We're watching a Hall of Famer player, and I wouldn't give up that opportunity for Eric Bledsoe or whatever non-elite prospect we're supposedly going to get.

Great game tonight.

Indeed. As the cleveland commentators would say: "HE IS AS HOT AS A BLOWTORCH"
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 10, 2013, 10:18:43 PM
never take my Captain away for me.......

Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 10, 2013, 10:18:57 PM
I have absolutely no desire to bring the Paul Pierce era to a premature close.  Even if we fall short of a title, I'll always appreciate games like tonight as a fan.  We're watching a Hall of Famer player, and I wouldn't give up that opportunity for Eric Bledsoe or whatever non-elite prospect we're supposedly going to get.

Great game tonight.

fine. fair enough. Wish we woulda traded rondo before the injury now for a big.

we sure do need a big more than we need him.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: cman88 on February 10, 2013, 10:22:10 PM
Pierce/KG are why I still beleive this team has a shot in the playoffs..

as long as our roleplayers also keep performing at this level.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: action781 on February 10, 2013, 10:23:07 PM
I have absolutely no desire to bring the Paul Pierce era to a premature close.  Even if we fall short of a title, I'll always appreciate games like tonight as a fan.  We're watching a Hall of Famer player, and I wouldn't give up that opportunity for Eric Bledsoe or whatever non-elite prospect we're supposedly going to get.

Great game tonight.

Roy, thank you for giving me a quote I can copy and paste in any thread that has a Paul Pierce for mediocre prospect trade proposal.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 10, 2013, 10:24:13 PM
I'd rather ride out this year with both Pierce and KG than start rebuilding, even if it means we ruin our title chances in future years.

It's just too much fun to watch the Cap and the Ticket do their thing.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Roy H. on February 10, 2013, 10:26:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmG9aNxyC8I .
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 10, 2013, 10:28:11 PM
Pierce and KG all heart ......never say never to these two guys........they defeat the savage non human creature. .....the Manimal.       ;D
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmG9aNxyC8I .

That guy looks like => :D
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 10, 2013, 10:29:50 PM
also, something nobody here has yet to discuss is PP took a 3 that was NOT needed in OT and missed instead of just getting 2 and really put us behind the 8 ball and forced green to shoot his 3. we got lucky there. i think we were down by 3 at that point. plenty of time to get two and a stop. we really rolled the dice today. and escaped.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 10, 2013, 10:32:44 PM
If we're going to try to win now without rondo then lets do it right. This team is an above average big man away from at least having a shot. Right now i still don't think they have a shot without that.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 10, 2013, 10:32:51 PM
Pierce and KG all heart ......never say never to these two guys........they defeat the savage non human creature. .....the Manimal.       ;D

i hate contested shots like that but that was lebronesque or kobesque...dude all in his face and hits a 3.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: manl_lui on February 10, 2013, 10:38:12 PM
funny how my friend was cursing Pierce and KG til the 3OT, when Pierce showed up and made some big plays...along with Terry
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Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 10, 2013, 10:40:17 PM
funny how my friend was cursing Pierce and KG til the 3OT, when Pierce showed up and made some big plays...along with Terry

we need a big who can power his way down low and shoot those 7 foot shots off the glass. what ever happened to those typed of bigs? KG never gets that far down low. too weak in the legs probably.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: timobusa on February 10, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
Pierce and KG all heart ......never say never to these two guys........they defeat the savage non human creature. .....the Manimal.       ;D

i hate contested shots like that but that was lebronesque or kobesque...dude all in his face and hits a 3.

hate to say it but, he's been doing that way before lebron. so its not lebronesque....

Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 10, 2013, 10:46:49 PM
also, something nobody here has yet to discuss is PP took a 3 that was NOT needed in OT and missed instead of just getting 2 and really put us behind the 8 ball and forced green to shoot his 3. we got lucky there. i think we were down by 3 at that point. plenty of time to get two and a stop. we really rolled the dice today. and escaped.

Totally unforgivable. Forget wanting to trade him, I'd waive him tomorrow morning for taking such an unnecessary shot.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 10, 2013, 10:53:15 PM
Pierce and KG all heart ......never say never to these two guys........they defeat the savage non human creature. .....the Manimal.       ;D

i hate contested shots like that but that was lebronesque or kobesque...dude all in his face and hits a 3.

hate to say it but, he's been doing that way before lebron. so its not lebronesque....

no difference. they all do it. PP just cannot do it the way LBJ does or even as often as KObe IMO. he takes a ton of unecessary shots nowadays it seems. oh well. just glad we pulled this fiasco out.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 10, 2013, 10:54:22 PM
everyone wants to trade him when they think he's washed up.  Nobody wants to trade him when they think he still has it.

It doesn't work that way.  The only way you get a little value out of trading PIerce is if he can continue to play like this.   Nobody is giving up assets for a washed up has-been.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 10, 2013, 10:56:25 PM
also, something nobody here has yet to discuss is PP took a 3 that was NOT needed in OT and missed instead of just getting 2 and really put us behind the 8 ball and forced green to shoot his 3. we got lucky there. i think we were down by 3 at that point. plenty of time to get two and a stop. we really rolled the dice today. and escaped.

Totally unforgivable. Forget wanting to trade him, I'd waive him tomorrow morning for taking such an unnecessary shot.

Liar. He is not getting waived, ever, by the Celtics.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 11, 2013, 12:24:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eIIhMHh.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/eIIhMHh.jpg
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: action781 on February 11, 2013, 01:11:22 AM
Pierce and KG all heart ......never say never to these two guys........they defeat the savage non human creature. .....the Manimal.       ;D

i hate contested shots like that but that was lebronesque or kobesque...dude all in his face and hits a 3.
i prefer to call it paul-pierce-game-5-esque
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: fitzhickey on February 11, 2013, 02:12:07 AM
Pierce and KG all heart ......never say never to these two guys........they defeat the savage non human creature. .....the Manimal.       ;D

i hate contested shots like that but that was lebronesque or kobesque...dude all in his face and hits a 3.
i prefer to call it paul-pierce-game-5-esque
Tp earned
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: jdz101 on February 11, 2013, 02:22:22 AM
funny how my friend was cursing Pierce and KG til the 3OT, when Pierce showed up and made some big plays...along with Terry

we need a big who can power his way down low and shoot those 7 foot shots off the glass. what ever happened to those typed of bigs? KG never gets that far down low. too weak in the legs probably.

Not many bigs hit clutch shots close to the basket....mainly due to getting absolutely swamped by double and triple teams. All about spacing the floor for a jumpshot or a drive.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 11, 2013, 02:33:41 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eIIhMHh.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/eIIhMHh.jpg

Haha awesome. TP.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: timobusa on February 11, 2013, 04:20:36 AM
Pierce and KG all heart ......never say never to these two guys........they defeat the savage non human creature. .....the Manimal.       ;D

i hate contested shots like that but that was lebronesque or kobesque...dude all in his face and hits a 3.

hate to say it but, he's been doing that way before lebron. so its not lebronesque....

no difference. they all do it. PP just cannot do it the way LBJ does or even as often as KObe IMO. he takes a ton of unecessary shots nowadays it seems. oh well. just glad we pulled this fiasco out.

Did you just say PP cant do it the way LBJ does? Are you talking about hitting CLUTCH SHOTS?
I have reason to believe that PP has hit more Clutch shots than Lebron has....
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Roy H. on February 11, 2013, 07:30:10 AM
everyone wants to trade him when they think he's washed up.  Nobody wants to trade him when they think he still has it.

It doesn't work that way.  The only way you get a little value out of trading PIerce is if he can continue to play like this.   Nobody is giving up assets for a washed up has-been.

From the names floated out there, we're not getting value either way.  Therefore, hold on to him.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 11, 2013, 07:32:35 AM
everyone wants to trade him when they think he's washed up.  Nobody wants to trade him when they think he still has it.

It doesn't work that way.  The only way you get a little value out of trading PIerce is if he can continue to play like this.   Nobody is giving up assets for a washed up has-been.

From the names floated out there, we're not getting value either way.  Therefore, hold on to him.

I think the only way we trade him is if we get a GREAT value. And the only way people will trade for him is if they get it at a GREAT value.

Can't work both ways unless... no.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: CoachBo on February 11, 2013, 07:50:41 AM
Chuckle.

This is a good basketball TEAM.

Fun to watch - for the first time this season. Ball is moving, backcourt defense is good, energy is outstanding.

Pierce isn't going anywhere. Neither is Garnett.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: CelticsFanNC on February 11, 2013, 08:02:33 AM
   Doesn't saying Pierce has to retire a Celtic mean you care more about Pierce then you do about the Celtic's organization?
 
Just playing devils advocate. 

  I wouldn't trade Pierce now but I certainly would have thought about it just a few weeks ago when he look old and tired with no legs.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 11, 2013, 08:12:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmG9aNxyC8I .

God thats good stuff.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Roy H. on February 11, 2013, 08:14:40 AM
   Doesn't saying Pierce has to retire a Celtic mean you care more about Pierce then you do about the Celtic's organization?

No.  I think it has more to do with the fact that:

1) Some fans prefer to watch good basketball for another couple of seasons before going back into the dregs of the lottery;

2) Many of those same fans recognize that rebuilding to a championship-caliber team is rarely successful, and that a wildly successful rebuild would see this team challenging or the Eastern Conference Finals;

3) Red Auerbach himself showed loyalty to this team's aging stars, turning the Celtics organization into what it is.  I'm doubtful that anybody would argue that Red didn't sufficiently care about the Celtics organization.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Edgar on February 11, 2013, 10:20:41 AM
when i grow up, I want to be like Paul Pierce
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: Cman on February 11, 2013, 10:25:56 AM
Yes, in general I agree with the OP's sentiment.
On the other hand, sell high, right?
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: CoachBo on February 11, 2013, 10:33:19 AM
   Doesn't saying Pierce has to retire a Celtic mean you care more about Pierce then you do about the Celtic's organization?

No.  I think it has more to do with the fact that:

1) Some fans prefer to watch good basketball for another couple of seasons before going back into the dregs of the lottery;

2) Many of those same fans recognize that rebuilding to a championship-caliber team is rarely successful, and that a wildly successful rebuild would see this team challenging or the Eastern Conference Finals;

3) Red Auerbach himself showed loyalty to this team's aging stars, turning the Celtics organization into what it is.  I'm doubtful that anybody would argue that Red didn't sufficiently care about the Celtics organization.

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: CelticG1 on February 11, 2013, 10:56:41 AM
Yes, in general I agree with the OP's sentiment.
On the other hand, sell high, right?

Unless Pierce literally gets younger I don't see what type of great offers we could "sell high" for.

Everything I've.heard previously sounds like vomit to me.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: FreeGreen on February 11, 2013, 11:14:06 AM
I'm strongly in the "Do not trade Paul Pierce under any circumstances" camp.  I've built a nice house there, my kids like the school district and everything.  I wouldn't deal him under any but the most insane circumstances.  (Durant + Perkins and a 1st for Paul + Bass.  Totally works in the trade calc.)

However, I am EXTREMELY curious how much his trade value has increased in the past 2-3 weeks.

I have to think any team foolish enough to make an offer has had to up the ante in the past couple of weeks.
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: slamtheking on February 11, 2013, 11:42:22 AM
Pierce and KG all heart ......never say never to these two guys........they defeat the savage non human creature. .....the Manimal.       ;D

i hate contested shots like that but that was lebronesque or kobesque...dude all in his face and hits a 3.
no, that was Pierce-esque.  Let the other posers compare themselves to him
Title: Re: That's why you don't trade the Captain...
Post by: D Dub on February 11, 2013, 11:54:42 AM
Not sure what I'd hate more. 

Watching Paul drop daggers in a different jersey --or-- coming here to debate whether Bledsoe should start over Avery & who we should take with the 10th pick in the draft