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Title: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: Tr1boy on February 09, 2013, 08:17:46 PM
I just saw a clip on espn Boston, with Steven A Smith and some white guy , arguing about KG taking too many jump shot for a guy with so much height and length. The white guy (can someone name him) stated that it bothered him KG didn't score inside more. That even though he is skinny , he has amazing height/length and is a strong guy. Smith argues, KG is built a certain way (skinny) , that he can't push his man off and score those easy inside the paint shots in like some centers in the league can. And in the end who cares how he scores.

For me before we got KG, i did feel the same way, that kg was way too much of a perimeter player. And when we gave up Jefferson who was pretty much, all about playing around the paint, our inside game would suffer. But as i've grown to appreciate kg's game, as long as he doesn't shy away in the paint on the defensive end, i couldn't care less how he scores on the offensive end. I mean even if he didn't score one bucket, he is still very important to have on the court.  For his height, its true, he could score a little more inside shots. He hasn't developed the inside game in his life i guess bc he was always a SF and just kept growing , until he reached a centers height by the time he got drafted. And even though he doesn't have fancy inside hookshots , fakes, etc. I think he has done a better job in Boston, being conscious to utilize his size more and score some buckets closer to the basket. But even then, his 18 ft jumpers have been near automatic these past few years, its pretty incredible. Maybe he feels if its not broken, why fix it.

Whats your take on the argument?
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: lightspeed5 on February 09, 2013, 08:19:41 PM
no, he is one of the best shooting power forwards of all time. He makes his shots.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: Sketch5 on February 09, 2013, 08:25:04 PM
The problem especially his first 5 to 8 seasons is he's undersized when it comes to his weight.

Remember he played during Shaqs body building days. All the PF's and Centers were bulking up. KG just doesn't have that body. No way could he bang with those guys.

Same now, he's still on the slight side, and older, he had to change his game to compete.

Also remember he started in this league as a SF...
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: staticcc on February 09, 2013, 08:28:54 PM
Yes but it doesn't matter. We can't change any of it anymore. That's how he plays
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 09, 2013, 08:30:51 PM
He's shooting .511 this year. I could not care less how he gets his points.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: OsirusCeltics on February 09, 2013, 08:45:53 PM
Why is it a problem?

This is the exact reason why he's one of the most unique and talented players of all time

Why did Magic and Bird, 6'9" tall handle the ball like a guard and rack up alot of assists?

Why did Charles Barkley, 6'5" tall play like a center, bangs in the middle, and gets alot of rebounds?

Why did Wilt Chamberlain, 7'1" tall lead the league in assists one season?

Well thats the true definition of an all-time legend. Different from the norm
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: Tr1boy on February 09, 2013, 09:06:41 PM
Yes but it doesn't matter. We can't change any of it anymore. That's how he plays

agreed. If after 5 seasons he wasn't going to change his game than, ppl will have to accept how he plays.

But fortunately, i think he has played more in the paint when he become a celtic. In minny he was so banged up trying to do everything, if he also tried to bang inside on the offensive end, it would have cut his career short probably.

Its interesting though how some players transitioned from one position to drastically another that prolonged their careers. Someone correct me, but didn't Magic at the tail end of his career play some pf/c? Pierce was originally a SG and after 5 seasons has become a very good SF and is one of the best rebounders for a sf. And now KG from SF to playing C.

Anyone else i'm missing?
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: bfrombleacher on February 09, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
I don't have the stats but I'm under the impression that KG's been having more at rim attempts these past few games.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: badshar on February 09, 2013, 09:10:46 PM
Its quite obvious that the white guy and Steven A. Smith are both stupid.

1. KG takes jump-shots because we are a jump-shooting team.
2. KG takes jump-shots because he is a very good jump-shooter.
3. Our offensive plays often sets him up for an easy jumper.
4. KG goes down low and scores efficiently whenever he wants to.
5. I have seen countless times KG go down low, post up, and score with ease.
6. KG has always been a team player. He has always done for the team has required him to do.
7. How is it that in late-game situations when its a close game, we see KG post up down low asking for the ball? Its because Doc and the team asks him to do it.
8. KG has repeatedly posted up down low and anyone who thinks he is too thin to do it or can't do it is either completely clueless about what he is saying or is just stupid as crazy.

One more thing, KG has never been shy of posting up or playing around the rim. He is as tough mentally as they come who play their hardest, unlike a bunch of big-name players in the league right now who cry to the ref after every call.

Additionally, do you not remember KG bleeding in a game and playing through it? I don't remember him crying to the ref or flopping like crazy.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: Who on February 09, 2013, 09:17:33 PM
More post play would be better but KG is who he is.

A 60% (high post) 40% (low post) type split would be a welcome improvement.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: ScottHow on February 09, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Tommy has summed it up pretty well by calling it his layup.

At his age I'm not going to complain too much.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 09, 2013, 09:29:09 PM
It could be argued that he doesn't take enough of them for a player with his skill.

I'm particularly baffled as to why he never takes wide open 3s from the top of the key
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 09, 2013, 09:31:01 PM
No, he doesn't take too many jump shots... he simply doesn't take enough shots inside.

So in all, I would like to see him shooting more overall.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: Tr1boy on February 09, 2013, 09:33:50 PM
It could be argued that he doesn't take enough of them for a player with his skill.

I'm particularly baffled as to why he never takes wide open 3s from the top of the key

again just not his game
Its like jordan who rarely shot threes though he was one of the best jump shooters of all time. Guys like kg and Jordan just do what works
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: sofutomygaha on February 09, 2013, 09:40:39 PM
It could be argued that he doesn't take enough of them for a player with his skill.

I'm particularly baffled as to why he never takes wide open 3s from the top of the key

again just not his game
Its like jordan who rarely shot threes though he was one of the best jump shooters of all time. Guys like kg and Jordan just do what works

I've heard this before, but I still don't really get it. He took a few 3's when he was with the Wolves and it didn't go so well, but in those days he wasn't a 45% shooter on his long two's. I'm not saying he should be bombing, but a lot of bigs have had success developing that shot from the top of the key. It can carve out a lot of room for cutters. I have a hard time imagining that KG couldn't take one or two a game to help space the floor and hit 35-40% of them at this stage.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: mgent on February 09, 2013, 09:43:28 PM
Absolutely not.  He's one of the best shooting bigs in the league, and one of the best shooting bigs all time.  That's like asking, "does Dirk take too many jump shots for a player his size?"

Let's be honest, KG is not an elite post player anymore.  He doesn't have a vast array of down low moves.  He was effective in the post due to his great speed/athleticsm and shooting touch.

He no longer has that athleticsm advantage, thus why he's become an exclusive turn-around jump shooter.

The fact of the matter is KG can make 8-12 foot contested turnarounds at the same rate he makes 18+ foot open jump shots.  Him playing outside doesn't make him any less efficient.

All it does is space the floor for his teammates, as opposed to them standing around and watching while he posts up.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: ManUp on February 09, 2013, 11:03:50 PM
Let's get one thing clear with the exception of the sweeping hook shot KG has every post move in the book (the basic hook, up and under, fadeaway(his favorite), dropstep, etc) to go with an excellent finishing touch.

Exhibit:A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VQVYrtnYzs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VQVYrtnYzs)

Sure he's lost a lot of quickness and explosiveness, but he has the moves if the match up allows.

I believe, KG has become more of a jump shooter in recent years to preserve his legs. To play in the post you have to establish and maintain position(extremely draining), back down your opponent, and then free up the shot with fakes. Add his slight build and height(center of gravity) to the equation and playing in the post is a tiring chore. When KG was in his 20's he could probably battle with the giants all day but now he has to pace himself to stay effective through games (5-5-5 plan). The jump shooting helps save his legs and it doesn't hurt that he's really good at it.

Last year in the second half of the season he made a concerted effort to play more down low and it paid off. A more balanced offense, higher percentage shots and more free throws. Unfortunately for us he eventually ran out of gas and you could see the difference late in games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jySxo9fDZHY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jySxo9fDZHY)

Of course we all wish he'd play in the paint more, but I think we all understand why he doesn't.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: Roy H. on February 09, 2013, 11:08:55 PM
KG is who he is.  In an ideal world, he'd be a lethal post player.  However, that's not his game.  I saw a Kevin McHale interview once where he described KG as a 2-guard offensively, with his passing and perimeter play.  That's about right.
Title: Re: analysis: does Kg take too many jump shots for a player his size?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 09, 2013, 11:14:58 PM
Slightly silly, since size doesn't determine where you shoot from.

Durant and Love are seven-footers who shoot threes
On the other hand JJ Hickson, Kenneth Faried are inches shorter and only post up