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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: cletus1985 on February 09, 2013, 02:42:39 PM
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Don't know what Mark Cuban's financial goals are, but if he's looking to shred a little salary for next year this move could work out for both teams.
Boston sends Dallas:
* Brandon Bass
* Jason Collins/ Leandro Barbosa
Dallas sends Boston:
* Shawn Marion
Marion is an upgrade over Bass for this year imo. Marion adds about 2-3 mill in salary this year and next, but expires a year earlier than Bass. He could be a trade chip as an expiring or just salary cap relief next year.
Bass and Collins/Barbosa saves Dallas about 2 mill this year and 3 mill next year when the latter expires. Opens up cap space for them to sign free agents and gets them a little younger. Then in the big free agent market of 2014 he could be used as sign and trade bait or I'm sure they could pick up a trade exception for his services and expiring contract.
I have no idea what the trade market is for Marion, but he did state he won't report to a rebuilding team which limits their options. Whether or not Cuban would do it to save that money is obviously beyond my knowledge, but i think this trade is worth the phone call from us.
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Lol. Interesting... bass used to play in Dallas.
They already promised no trades for Dirk and Carter too though...
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A)Why does Dallas do this?
B) we have pierce and green to play Marion's position. So why do we do this?
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The Mavs' are obviously trying to clear cap space to make a run at a free agent next season. They're probably not going to want a contract such as Bass, even if they believed his playing ability was proportionate to the value/length of the contract.
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Marion would never play for the Celtics, this I do know! 99.9%
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A)Why does Dallas do this?
B) we have pierce and green to play Marion's position. So why do we do this?
A) They've made it clear that they're willing to move anyone other than Dirk and their season is already lottery bound. Clears some cap and gets them younger with bass. We may have to throw in a pick for sweetener (this year's 1st or a future protected or 2nd rounder.)
B) Marion is very capable of playing PF and has done it often, he's a better rebounder and defender than bass and can knock down open j's including 3 point range. Plus he's versatile enough to guard Lebron/Carmelo/ etc. which could take a lot of pressure off Pierce when they are on the floor together. Plus he's off the books next year.
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Marion would never play for the Celtics, this I do know! 99.9%
Obviously that's the end of this discussion then ???
Anything to back up your bold statement?
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This a mute point of convo guys. Marion would NEVER play here! He despises everything C's, trix will not ne walking through that door. Believe me!
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Marion would never play for the Celtics, this I do know! 99.9%
Obviously that's the end of this discussion then ???
Anything to back up your bold statement?
He is one of my best friends which I am reluctant to say because nobody would believe me. We been buds since we met his rookie year through my best friend from H.S. who he played with on the Suns named Gerald Brown. Me & Shawn talk twice a week.
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Marion would never play for the Celtics, this I do know! 99.9%
Obviously that's the end of this discussion then ???
Anything to back up your bold statement?
He is one of my best friends which I am reluctant to say because nobody would believe me. We been buds since we met his rookie year through my best friend from H.S. who he played with on the Suns named Gerald Brown. Me & Shawn talk twice a week.
If true i think that's pretty ridiculous that he wouldn't play for a better team if traded because he doesn't like the team, it's not like he played here and Boston did something to scorn him.
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Marion would never play for the Celtics, this I do know! 99.9%
Obviously that's the end of this discussion then ???
Anything to back up your bold statement?
He is one of my best friends which I am reluctant to say because nobody would believe me. We been buds since we met his rookie year through my best friend from H.S. who he played with on the Suns named Gerald Brown. Me & Shawn talk twice a week.
That's awesome
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Marion would never play for the Celtics, this I do know! 99.9%
Obviously that's the end of this discussion then ???
Anything to back up your bold statement?
He is one of my best friends which I am reluctant to say because nobody would believe me. We been buds since we met his rookie year through my best friend from H.S. who he played with on the Suns named Gerald Brown. Me & Shawn talk twice a week.
That's interesting. I have no reason not to believe you, but I am very curious why he despises everything Celtics. Is it based on the city or the team? Tell us more.
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Marion would never play for the Celtics, this I do know! 99.9%
Obviously that's the end of this discussion then ???
Anything to back up your bold statement?
He is one of my best friends which I am reluctant to say because nobody would believe me. We been buds since we met his rookie year through my best friend from H.S. who he played with on the Suns named Gerald Brown. Me & Shawn talk twice a week.
If true i think that's pretty ridiculous that he wouldn't play for a better team if traded because he doesn't like the team, it's not like he played here and Boston did something to scorn him.
I agree with you! And I'm being quite honest when I say this, he's a guest of this board quite often but won't actually open a account. He views our Celticsblog topics sometimes & he says we're pathetic! Lol I made a hypothetical trade using him as a centerpiece years ago under my previous screen name & told him what he thought about it. He laughed & said he'll never play for the C's. We had a fringe playoff team back then I believe it was 05-06 season when Phoenix had to get rid Marion,Johnson or Amare. All 3 was being shopped so I wanted my boy to be a Celtic & we coulda used him greatly. He was so infatic with his words of not being a Celtic it actually hurt my feelings. He called me 1 morning the Suns was playing the Celtics here in Phoenix & said ride with me to the barbershop, I need to look good when I set a career high against your sorry azz Celtics. I said ok of course & I believe he scored 45 on us. His dream team as of the moment is the Bulls! He really wants to go to Chicago & is hoping he can be traded there. He also hates the Heat! And his other team of choice at the moment is LA Lakers because of D'Antoni. When I talk to him again I'll ask about what ifs with the C's but I doubt his stance has changed since the year began. He just dislikes us since his childhood.
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If true i think that's pretty ridiculous that he wouldn't play for a better team if traded because he doesn't like the team, it's not like he played here and Boston did something to scorn him.
Would you say that if he felt that way about the Lakers (and the Lakers were having a better season)?
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If true i think that's pretty ridiculous that he wouldn't play for a better team if traded because he doesn't like the team, it's not like he played here and Boston did something to scorn him.
Would you say that if he felt that way about the Lakers (and the Lakers were having a better season)?
Actually i would. As fans we can hate the lakers without any concern or loss, but as a player you have to look at it as a business and weigh your options to make the most of your career. If a team is calling for you that gets you closer to a championship take the opportunity, plus he'd be a starter in either one of the scenarios so he would be a huge part of any success they had.
Unless the organization has personally wronged you in the past, i don't see any valid reason not to want to have a chance at a championship. Even though the C's aren't the upper echelon of title favorites this year, being in the playoffs is a better chance then being on a lottery team in Dallas.
* didn't Paul Pierce grow up hating the Celtics? Look where he is now!
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If true i think that's pretty ridiculous that he wouldn't play for a better team if traded because he doesn't like the team, it's not like he played here and Boston did something to scorn him.
Would you say that if he felt that way about the Lakers (and the Lakers were having a better season)?
Actually i would. As fans we can hate the lakers without any concern or loss, but as a player you have to look at it as a business and weigh your options to make the most of your career. If a team is calling for you that gets you closer to a championship take the opportunity, plus he'd be a starter in either one of the scenarios so he would be a huge part of any success they had.
Unless the organization has personally wronged you in the past, i don't see any valid reason not to want to have a chance at a championship. Even though the C's aren't the upper echelon of title favorites this year, being in the playoffs is a better chance then being on a lottery team in Dallas.
* didn't Paul Pierce grow up hating the Celtics? Look where he is now!
first off I don't quite 100% know why Shawn despises the C's or even 50% understand it with the tradition & success we've had throughout the years. But with being said, I grew up a die-hard Celtics fan & Dallas Cowboys fan growing up in Memphis before moving to Phoenix. Memphis Tennessee had zero major sports franchises while I was growing up so I had to root for all the teams in other states. Therefore the Detroit Tigers, Boston Celtics & Dallas Cowboys. With that said I had EXTREMELY STRONG BONDS to my teams I grew up rooting for. So if I had a choice via trade or Free agency I would NEVER sign with Lakers, Sixers or Knicks in basketball & the Giants, Redskins, Eagles & Steelers in football. Just wouldn't do it no matter what at any cost, I would take paycut to go elsewhere for my piece of mind & stay happy instead of help a team I don't care for much win. Call it selfish? Maybe. But the only circumstances I would play for 1 of those teams is if I were drafted by them. Only way! And I'm no way thinking for Trix but he's made of 110 mil in his career & he has saved extremely well (cheap) & has a title! So maybe thats his thinking of he l no at all costs because he's done everything he's wanted in his career & could retire instead of playing for his hated rival! And I if I was him would probably do the same thing! Switch the tables I would not sign with the Lakers if I was close to retirement had played in All-star games, made alot of retirement type money & won a title. I would probably just say no thanks & hang it up.
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If true i think that's pretty ridiculous that he wouldn't play for a better team if traded because he doesn't like the team, it's not like he played here and Boston did something to scorn him.
Would you say that if he felt that way about the Lakers (and the Lakers were having a better season)?
Actually i would. As fans we can hate the lakers without any concern or loss, but as a player you have to look at it as a business and weigh your options to make the most of your career. If a team is calling for you that gets you closer to a championship take the opportunity, plus he'd be a starter in either one of the scenarios so he would be a huge part of any success they had.
Unless the organization has personally wronged you in the past, i don't see any valid reason not to want to have a chance at a championship. Even though the C's aren't the upper echelon of title favorites this year, being in the playoffs is a better chance then being on a lottery team in Dallas.
* didn't Paul Pierce grow up hating the Celtics? Look where he is now!
first off I don't quite 100% know why Shawn despises the C's or even 50% understand it with the tradition & success we've had throughout the years. But with being said, I grew up a die-hard Celtics fan & Dallas Cowboys fan growing up in Memphis before moving to Phoenix. Memphis Tennessee had zero major sports franchises while I was growing up so I had to root for all the teams in other states. Therefore the Detroit Tigers, Boston Celtics & Dallas Cowboys. With that said I had EXTREMELY STRONG BONDS to my teams I grew up rooting for. So if I had a choice via trade or Free agency I would NEVER sign with Lakers, Sixers or Knicks in basketball & the Giants, Redskins, Eagles & Steelers in football. Just wouldn't do it no matter what at any cost, I would take paycut to go elsewhere for my piece of mind & stay happy instead of help a team I don't care for much win. Call it selfish? Maybe. But the only circumstances I would play for 1 of those teams is if I were drafted by them. Only way! And I'm no way thinking for Trix but he's made of 110 mil in his career & he has saved extremely well (cheap) & has a title! So maybe thats his thinking of he l no at all costs because he's done everything he's wanted in his career & could retire instead of playing for his hated rival! And I if I was him would probably do the same thing! Switch the tables I would not sign with the Lakers if I was close to retirement had played in All-star games, made alot of retirement type money & won a title. I would probably just say no thanks & hang it up.
Once again all we can do is speak from a fan's perspective. I think after years in the league most professionals see it as their career and lose that resentment understanding this is a business. They deal with all the business aspects we don't have to.
Marion may be the exception to the rule, but I've never heard of a player refusing to play for a team because he's not a fan of that team. I've heard of players not reporting because they refuse to be part of a rebuilding process late in their careers, players not wanting to go to an organization that's run horribly or mistreated them in the past , and obviously some want to go to large markets to promote themselves and get larger advertising deals. Squandering an opportunity to win because you grew up rooting for another team sounds like horrible career management.