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Title: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: rondohondo on February 08, 2013, 08:52:54 PM
Any chance KG can win MVP or DPOY ? Say if the c's get up to the 4th or 5th spot in the east and the c's continue to dominate in the second half of the season.

I would imagine Durant and Lebron are his main competition in the MVP race....
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 08, 2013, 08:54:50 PM
Any chance KG can win MVP or DPOY ? Say if the c's get up to the 4th or 5th spot in the east and the c's continue to dominate in the second half of the season.

I would imagine Durant and Lebron are his main competition in the MVP race....
Um, no. Not even close.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: rondohondo on February 08, 2013, 08:57:06 PM
Any chance KG can win MVP or DPOY ? Say if the c's get up to the 4th or 5th spot in the east and the c's continue to dominate in the second half of the season.

I would imagine Durant and Lebron are his main competition in the MVP race....
Um, no. Not even close.

not even DPOY? What is his main competition ? Ibaka?
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 08, 2013, 09:00:25 PM
With the way he's playing... A snowballs chance in you nowhere.

He may not even be the MVP of our team. Defensive player of our team yes. But one of these out of the entire league? Ya, not even close.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: rondohondo on February 08, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
With the way he's playing... A snowballs chance in you nowhere.

He may not even be the MVP of our team. Defensive player of our team yes. But one of these out of the entire league? Ya, not even close.

who in the league has more of an impact defensively?Have a hard time coming up with someone this year.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: ronaldo943 on February 08, 2013, 09:06:05 PM
He wont get either.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: Who on February 08, 2013, 09:08:12 PM
With the way he's playing... A snowballs chance in you nowhere.

He may not even be the MVP of our team. Defensive player of our team yes. But one of these out of the entire league? Ya, not even close.

who in the league has more of an impact defensively?Have a hard time coming up with someone this year.
Yeah, there are not any strong candidates this season. A down year.

My pick is Joakim Noah.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 08, 2013, 09:16:53 PM
Nobody has a bigger impact on team defense than KG. he may not put up gaudy league-leading defensive stats, but I truly believe he is still the best overall defender in the league. I'd say he has been the best for the better part of a decade (perhaps sans the '09-'10 season when his knee still wasn't right).

I'd put KG in the top 3 with Russell and Hakeem as the greatest defensive players ever.

I find it laughable the award went to Chandler last year (while not making 1st team all-defense????). KG is done getting individual awards, and I'm sure he isn't interested in anything else but a ring.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: indeedproceed on February 08, 2013, 09:19:12 PM
With the way he's playing... A snowballs chance in you nowhere.

He may not even be the MVP of our team. Defensive player of our team yes. But one of these out of the entire league? Ya, not even close.

who in the league has more of an impact defensively?Have a hard time coming up with someone this year.
Yeah, there are not any strong candidates this season. A down year.

My pick is Joakim Noah.

You literally stole my exact post. Dwight Howard should have this in the bag, but he's not looking quite like himself (although rumors of his decline are vastly exaggerated). Noah deserves it right now, that Bulls team is getting by on grit and defense, and when Rose gets back, it'll be a revelation.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: ScottHow on February 08, 2013, 09:21:44 PM
He should of won it in 08. No chance he wins it now.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: tonyto3690 on February 08, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
There is no chance he wins MVP.

He SHOULD win DPOY.  He should have won it every year from 2000 to now.  Who knows if he'll win it.  We're a basketball team with an elite defense where he is the only true big man on our team playing more than 5 MPG
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: scaryjerry on February 08, 2013, 09:28:33 PM
No to both

Shouldn't even be an all star starter
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: scaryjerry on February 08, 2013, 09:31:04 PM
There is no chance he wins MVP.

He SHOULD win DPOY.  He should have won it every year from 2000 to now.  Who knows if he'll win it.  We're a basketball team with an elite defense where he is the only true big man on our team playing more than 5 MPG

Nope ..Ben Wallace/Ron artest/Marcus camby/Dwight howards/Tyson Chandler dpoy year awards were legit....honestly the only year kg should've won..he did....our defense sucked this year until Avery came back
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: kozlodoev on February 08, 2013, 09:45:20 PM
Any chance KG can win MVP or DPOY ? Say if the c's get up to the 4th or 5th spot in the east and the c's continue to dominate in the second half of the season.

I would imagine Durant and Lebron are his main competition in the MVP race....
Um, no. Not even close.

not even DPOY? What is his main competition ? Ibaka?
Ibaka isn't even in the conversation.

Noah, Duncan, and Paul George are all legit candidates. Garnett isn't.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 08, 2013, 09:56:08 PM
Noah, Duncan, and Paul George are all legit candidates. Garnett isn't.

That's a pretty good top 3 I think.  And Howard will probably outpoint KG on reputation, and due to the overemphasis on stats, Ibaka and maybe even Larry Sanders will place over KG too.  He'd be lucky to make 2nd team All-Defense, although he deserves it over a few of those guys.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 08, 2013, 10:03:43 PM
Don't think he should be defensive player of the year, but his defensive play this year has been largely overlooked and/or needlessly criticized.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: ejk3489 on February 08, 2013, 10:08:32 PM
Noah, Duncan, and Paul George are all legit candidates. Garnett isn't.

That's a pretty good top 3 I think.  And Howard will probably outpoint KG on reputation, and due to the overemphasis on stats, Ibaka and maybe even Larry Sanders will place over KG too.  He'd be lucky to make 2nd team All-Defense, although he deserves it over a few of those guys.

I'd add Marc Gasol to that list too.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 08, 2013, 10:09:19 PM
Is this a serious question?
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 08, 2013, 10:29:11 PM
Noah, Duncan, and Paul George are all legit candidates. Garnett isn't.

That's a pretty good top 3 I think.  And Howard will probably outpoint KG on reputation, and due to the overemphasis on stats, Ibaka and maybe even Larry Sanders will place over KG too.  He'd be lucky to make 2nd team All-Defense, although he deserves it over a few of those guys.

I'd add Marc Gasol to that list too.

Good call.  Can't count out Chandler either.  Man, the NBA is deep these days...
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 08, 2013, 10:31:17 PM
ABSOLUTELY NOT. No way!
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: OttawaCeltic on February 09, 2013, 10:46:42 AM
DPOY??? WITH 7 RPG???
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Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on February 09, 2013, 11:53:41 AM
Any chance KG can win MVP or DPOY ? Say if the c's get up to the 4th or 5th spot in the east and the c's continue to dominate in the second half of the season.

I would imagine Durant and Lebron are his main competition in the MVP race....

no and i really could not care less about INDIVIDUAL ACHIEVEMENTS. I WANT TEAM ACHIEVEMENTS. CHAMPIONSHIPS!
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: dark_lord on February 09, 2013, 12:13:32 PM
Any chance KG can win MVP or DPOY ?

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Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: drza44 on February 09, 2013, 12:59:38 PM
There is no chance he wins MVP.

He SHOULD win DPOY.  He should have won it every year from 2000 to now.  Who knows if he'll win it.  We're a basketball team with an elite defense where he is the only true big man on our team playing more than 5 MPG

Nope ..Ben Wallace/Ron artest/Marcus camby/Dwight howards/Tyson Chandler dpoy year awards were legit....honestly the only year kg should've won..he did....our defense sucked this year until Avery came back

Our defense didn't suck when KG was on the court, even before Avery came back.

"Breaking news: Boston can't defend without Kevin Garnett on the floor. They've allowed 94.6 points per 100 possessions when KG plays and 114.2 when he sits, per NBA.com. That's about as large as the current gap between the league's best and worst defenses."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8654356/carmelo-anthony-thriving-power-forward-knicks-a-7-1-start
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: BballTim on February 09, 2013, 01:05:02 PM
There is no chance he wins MVP.

He SHOULD win DPOY.  He should have won it every year from 2000 to now.  Who knows if he'll win it.  We're a basketball team with an elite defense where he is the only true big man on our team playing more than 5 MPG

Nope ..Ben Wallace/Ron artest/Marcus camby/Dwight howards/Tyson Chandler dpoy year awards were legit....honestly the only year kg should've won..he did....our defense sucked this year until Avery came back

Our defense didn't suck when KG was on the court, even before Avery came back.

"Breaking news: Boston can't defend without Kevin Garnett on the floor. They've allowed 94.6 points per 100 possessions when KG plays and 114.2 when he sits, per NBA.com. That's about as large as the current gap between the league's best and worst defenses."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8654356/carmelo-anthony-thriving-power-forward-knicks-a-7-1-start

  Our defense was bad at the beginning of the season but (albeit in fits and starts) was rounding into shape well before Avery came back. We were probably fairly close to top 10 when he started playing.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: cletus1985 on February 09, 2013, 01:38:44 PM
Does he have a legitimate shot at MVP or DPOY? No.

Based on team play with him on the court compared to him off the court, could you make a case for both? Absolutely.

We all know Lebron or Durant are fighting it out for MVP with a few other darkhorses in the mix.

DPOY will probably go to T. Chandler, Ibaka, or perhaps Duncan with a few other darkhorses as well.

Because Garnett plays such limited minutes though his production doesn't pop off the stat sheet and he won't even be in the conversation.
Title: Re: Can KG win MVP? or DPOY?
Post by: mgent on February 09, 2013, 06:04:55 PM
Any chance KG can win MVP or DPOY ? Say if the c's get up to the 4th or 5th spot in the east and the c's continue to dominate in the second half of the season.

I would imagine Durant and Lebron are his main competition in the MVP race....
Um, no. Not even close.

not even DPOY? What is his main competition ? Ibaka?
Ibaka isn't even in the conversation.

Noah, Duncan, and Paul George are all legit candidates. Garnett isn't.
How is Ibaka not in the conversation?  He's been much more in the conversation in recent years than Noah and Duncan.  It's a league where awards are won for stastical dominance.

As for Paul George, that's a joke.  No way he's over Tony Allen and LeBron for perimeter players.