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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Celtics/Run on February 08, 2013, 02:51:48 PM
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
care to show the reports about rejected trades? The teams that didn't bite? There is zero evidence of that, but otherwise sounds good.
I think most fans do appreciate Rondo and it is a vocal minority that is yelling and screaming to trade him. Thank god they aren't trading him. This place has made me feel like a crazy person for wanting Rondo on this team going forward.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
care to show the reports about rejected trades? The teams that didn't bite? There is zero evidence of that, but otherwise sounds good.
I think most fans do appreciate Rondo and it is a vocal minority that is yelling and screaming to trade him. Thank god they aren't trading him. This place has made me feel like a crazy person for wanting Rondo on this team going forward.
Evidence? That's got to be a joke right?!? Unless you're a GM (and have the tapes) or the GM came out and said something about proposed trades (which they never do), then no one has actual evidence. But generally speaking, where there is smoke, there is fire. Rondo has more smoke around him than a forrest fire.
Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
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With all the back stabbing from the fanbase one wonders if this won't happen.
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I say No way to trade Rondo. I think sometimes people get microscope-vision here in Celtics land...with that "we could always get someone better" ideology...it isn't so. Rondo is, what, 25 yrs old..kg and pp..? ( further reason to play melo with kg, while you can) Rondo is more the future of this team, and can and will meld into it again. Doc has done some good, but he hasn't played rondo well at all....Yes, he is a "players coach" which means he tells his stars NOTHING, and they do as they please. Rondo is just like any player, if you let him do ONLY as he pleases, the team won't like it....even JORDON had to adapt to that....He was one who FINALLY saw it before it was too late also...!
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
care to show the reports about rejected trades? The teams that didn't bite? There is zero evidence of that, but otherwise sounds good.
I think most fans do appreciate Rondo and it is a vocal minority that is yelling and screaming to trade him. Thank god they aren't trading him. This place has made me feel like a crazy person for wanting Rondo on this team going forward.
Evidence? That's got to be a joke right?!? Unless you're a GM (and have the tapes) or the GM came out and said something about proposed trades (which they never do), then no one has actual evidence. But generally speaking, where there is smoke, there is fire. Rondo has more smoke around him than a forrest fire.
Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
Oh, yes, just an apologist. All I am. No, I actually think Rondo is beneficial to this team.
And, hey, no stories, no rejected trade offers, no leaks, where is the smoke? I really don't think we had been dangling Rondo and no one would take the bait. But, hey, you sensed smoke. Where was the smoke?
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Rondo shouldn't request a trade. The chatter of media and fans over a few weeks shouldn't effect a player like that.
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Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?
Some fans want Rondo gone. Some want KG and Pierce shipped out. Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired. Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.
It just goes with the territory. When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I'v been saying the same thing over and over and over.
I want him here, I want him playing for the Celtics. But some fans just have VERY HIGH expectations for technically a small man (basketball wise). Most of them does not appreciate what he brings and what he has done. It's always his fault.
I want him traded ONLY because he deserves better treatment that some Celtics fans are not giving him. I feel bad for him.
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Bill Simmons suggested trading Rondo for Cousins and Salmons. I'd have to think about that one. Elite bigs are even harder to find than elite point guards.
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Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?
Some fans want Rondo gone. Some want KG and Pierce shipped out. Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired. Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.
It just goes with the territory. When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.
Kobe was getting killed by a lot of Lakers fans when they started off so poorly and he wasn't defending a lick.
They've since moved on to other goats.
Similar thing here with Rondo, he's removed and we win 6 in a row and suddenly we get odes to how much he hurts the team. If we lose the Clippers game or the Raptors game I doubt we get the same massive missives.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
care to show the reports about rejected trades? The teams that didn't bite? There is zero evidence of that, but otherwise sounds good.
I think most fans do appreciate Rondo and it is a vocal minority that is yelling and screaming to trade him. Thank god they aren't trading him. This place has made me feel like a crazy person for wanting Rondo on this team going forward.
Evidence? That's got to be a joke right?!? Unless you're a GM (and have the tapes) or the GM came out and said something about proposed trades (which they never do), then no one has actual evidence. But generally speaking, where there is smoke, there is fire. Rondo has more smoke around him than a forrest fire.
Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
Oh, yes, just an apologist. All I am. No, I actually think Rondo is beneficial to this team.
And, hey, no stories, no rejected trade offers, no leaks, where is the smoke? I really don't think we had been dangling Rondo and no one would take the bait. But, hey, you sensed smoke. Where was the smoke?
Okay, so you're trying to pretend we you haven't heard the rumors? How about these three below? In each case, the "rumor" was that the other team was not interested.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7296934/sources-boston-celtics-deal-rajon-rondo-land-chris-paul
According to an SI.com report, Celtics general manager Danny Ainge is "highly motivated" to land Paul. The report says the Hornets don't appear interested in a two-team deal in which Rondo and Paul would switch places. So Ainge has been trying to find a third team to get involved.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7631850/sources-boston-celtics-aggressively-trying-trade-guard-rajon-rondo
In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1256288-nba-trade-talk-time-to-re-think-the-westbrook-for-rondo-deal
Last fall, the Boston Celtics reached out to the Oklahoma City Thunder in an attempt to acquire star point guard Russell Westbrook.
The premise of that deal was Westbrook for Boston's Rajon Rondo, with Oklahoma City re-acquiring Jeff Green and Boston re-acquiring Kendrick Perkins.
Oklahoma City wasn’t interested in that deal last fall, but it is time to re-open the Westbrook for Rondo talk. The deal, at its core, benefits both teams.
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Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?
Some fans want Rondo gone. Some want KG and Pierce shipped out. Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired. Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.
It just goes with the territory. When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.
This is what annoys me about many fans. It is not about trying players that you think suck. It is about trading value for value to improve your team. I don't think rondo sucks and I have never said cut the guy.
What I do think is that we could be improved by trading him for value, especially with size, in return.
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Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk. Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.
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Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
If your trade doesn't bring back a player that you're fairly certain will perform as well as Rondo does in the playoffs it's not going to get the team closer to a title. You can claim that some people are more interested in keeping Rondo than winning, there are at least as many people who are more interested in getting rid of him than winning.
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Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?
Some fans want Rondo gone. Some want KG and Pierce shipped out. Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired. Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.
It just goes with the territory. When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.
This is what annoys me about many fans. It is not about trying players that you think suck. It is about trading value for value to improve your team. I don't think rondo sucks and I have never said cut the guy.
What I do think is that we could be improved by trading him for value, especially with size, in return.
You're generalizing about other fans in the exact same way you complain about others generalizing about you as a fan.
Its just the nature of internet conversations with so many different voices popping up at different times.
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Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk. Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.
Take a break from the forums if you're frustrated by them. If you're almost rooting for the C's to lose you're getting too caught up in what is a small portion of the C's fanbase chatter.
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Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
If your trade doesn't bring back a player that you're fairly certain will perform as well as Rondo does in the playoffs it's not going to get the team closer to a title. You can claim that some people are more interested in keeping Rondo than winning, there are at least as many people who are more interested in getting rid of him than winning.
If Rondo is as good as advertised, then why shouldn't he bring back an impact player? Like I said, I am merely suggesting the idea that we might be better by trading Rondo. That is not trashing him in any way.
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Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?
Some fans want Rondo gone. Some want KG and Pierce shipped out. Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired. Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.
It just goes with the territory. When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.
This is what annoys me about many fans. It is not about trying players that you think suck. It is about trading value for value to improve your team. I don't think rondo sucks and I have never said cut the guy.
What I do think is that we could be improved by trading him for value, especially with size, in return.
You're generalizing about other fans in the exact same way you complain about others generalizing about you as a fan.
Its just the nature of internet conversations with so many different voices popping up at different times.
I'm not trying to generalize about Roy H. I know what he's all about and have much respect. But I am generalizing about the seemingly constant gripes from posters about trading guys. They usually start with, "That guy sucks" and end with "trade him!". Really glad none of these posters are GM's because that would be the completely wrong way to do the job.
Or, you see these crazy trade proposals where we give up our garbage and get back an impact player. No fans (seemingly) ever want to give up a player that they think is good.
Bottom line is you give up value for value. I think Rondo has value. Bringing back value in return might actually make us better. THAT, is what this is all about.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
I wouldn't have minded a Rondo trade prior to the injury, either, but I doubt it was a matter of other teams not willing to "bite." Rather, there weren't any top shelf players who were definitely available at that point.
I was holding out hope for the possibility of a Rondo for Cousins swap around the time of the draft, though. But that doesn't seem to be in the cards, either, given the injury.
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Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk. Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.
I think it's overly wishful that the absurd talk will stop if we lose some games. You're seeing what I generally think of as off-season threads, where people make hyperbolic claims about Rondo's deficiencies and how much he "hurts the team". They generally lessen in frequency during the season because you can compare the claims to what you see in games but that won't be the case until November or so.
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Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?
Some fans want Rondo gone. Some want KG and Pierce shipped out. Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired. Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.
It just goes with the territory. When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.
This is what annoys me about many fans. It is not about trying players that you think suck. It is about trading value for value to improve your team. I don't think rondo sucks and I have never said cut the guy.
What I do think is that we could be improved by trading him for value, especially with size, in return.
You're generalizing about other fans in the exact same way you complain about others generalizing about you as a fan.
Its just the nature of internet conversations with so many different voices popping up at different times.
I'm not trying to generalize about Roy H. I know what he's all about and have much respect. But I am generalizing about the seemingly constant gripes from posters about trading guys.
I never said you were talking about Roy.
Just that your complaining about "fans" in the exact same manner that frustrates you when they complain about "fans" (ie in your view you I guess) wanting to trade Rondo.
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remember the X factor here, Doc had Darko...and NEVER played him....so even if we get who you want as a big......doc might just not like him, he has shown he can just ALL year....we would have guards and bigs all over the place...lee, bradley, terry, barbosa and rondo, kg, wilcox, collins, darko....
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Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
If your trade doesn't bring back a player that you're fairly certain will perform as well as Rondo does in the playoffs it's not going to get the team closer to a title. You can claim that some people are more interested in keeping Rondo than winning, there are at least as many people who are more interested in getting rid of him than winning.
If Rondo is as good as advertised, then why shouldn't he bring back an impact player? Like I said, I am merely suggesting the idea that we might be better by trading Rondo. That is not trashing him in any way.
We'd be better if we traded everyone on the roster as long as we got enough in return.
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remember the X factor here, Doc had Darko...and NEVER played him....so even if we get who you want as a big......doc might just not like him, he has shown he can just sit anyone, any time....we would have guards and bigs all over the place...lee, bradley, terry, barbosa and rondo, kg, wilcox, collins, darko....
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
care to show the reports about rejected trades? The teams that didn't bite? There is zero evidence of that, but otherwise sounds good.
I think most fans do appreciate Rondo and it is a vocal minority that is yelling and screaming to trade him. Thank god they aren't trading him. This place has made me feel like a crazy person for wanting Rondo on this team going forward.
Evidence? That's got to be a joke right?!? Unless you're a GM (and have the tapes) or the GM came out and said something about proposed trades (which they never do), then no one has actual evidence. But generally speaking, where there is smoke, there is fire. Rondo has more smoke around him than a forrest fire.
Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
Oh, yes, just an apologist. All I am. No, I actually think Rondo is beneficial to this team.
And, hey, no stories, no rejected trade offers, no leaks, where is the smoke? I really don't think we had been dangling Rondo and no one would take the bait. But, hey, you sensed smoke. Where was the smoke?
Okay, so you're trying to pretend we you haven't heard the rumors? How about these three below? In each case, the "rumor" was that the other team was not interested.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7296934/sources-boston-celtics-deal-rajon-rondo-land-chris-paul
According to an SI.com report, Celtics general manager Danny Ainge is "highly motivated" to land Paul. The report says the Hornets don't appear interested in a two-team deal in which Rondo and Paul would switch places. So Ainge has been trying to find a third team to get involved.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7631850/sources-boston-celtics-aggressively-trying-trade-guard-rajon-rondo
In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1256288-nba-trade-talk-time-to-re-think-the-westbrook-for-rondo-deal
Last fall, the Boston Celtics reached out to the Oklahoma City Thunder in an attempt to acquire star point guard Russell Westbrook.
The premise of that deal was Westbrook for Boston's Rajon Rondo, with Oklahoma City re-acquiring Jeff Green and Boston re-acquiring Kendrick Perkins.
Oklahoma City wasn’t interested in that deal last fall, but it is time to re-open the Westbrook for Rondo talk. The deal, at its core, benefits both teams.
You do realize these rumors are older than dirt and that the three players that the other team had are as good of basketball players as Rondo, so you can understand them not wanting Rondo. Sort of like we wouldn't want Rudy Gay or Danny Granger or Nicolas Batum for Pierce. Doesn't make them lesser players it just makes Pierce better for us.
I really don't think there was a lot of Rondo discussion around the league before he got hurt that was beyond, "scratching the surface, kicking the tires, seeing who's available stuff" like there always is in January and December.
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Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?
Some fans want Rondo gone. Some want KG and Pierce shipped out. Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired. Heck, there are probably fans who aren't happy with Wyc.
It just goes with the territory. When you're a great players, some are always going to think you're overrated.
This is what annoys me about many fans. It is not about trying players that you think suck. It is about trading value for value to improve your team. I don't think rondo sucks and I have never said cut the guy.
What I do think is that we could be improved by trading him for value, especially with size, in return.
You're generalizing about other fans in the exact same way you complain about others generalizing about you as a fan.
Its just the nature of internet conversations with so many different voices popping up at different times.
I'm not trying to generalize about Roy H. I know what he's all about and have much respect. But I am generalizing about the seemingly constant gripes from posters about trading guys.
I never said you were talking about Roy.
Just that your complaining about "fans" in the exact same manner that frustrates you when they complain about "fans" (ie in your view you I guess) wanting to trade Rondo.
Okay, I know we are just playing semantics here but I said what annoys me about "many" fans. From my experience, this is an accurate statement. "many" fans do exactly what I said they do.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
I wouldn't have minded a Rondo trade prior to the injury, either, but I doubt it was a matter of other teams not willing to "bite." Rather, there weren't any top shelf players who were definitely available at that point.
I was holding out hope for the possibility of a Rondo for Cousins swap around the time of the draft, though. But that doesn't seem to be in the cards, either, given the injury.
From the little I've seen of Cousins the people who are expecting him to lead a team to a title have a good long wait ahead of them and that's somewhat optimistic. Some team will trade for him and give him a big contract, I'd rather be the team that signs him to a smaller contract after he wears out his welcome at his next destination.
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Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk. Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.
I think it's overly wishful that the absurd talk will stop if we lose some games. You're seeing what I generally think of as off-season threads, where people make hyperbolic claims about Rondo's deficiencies and how much he "hurts the team". They generally lessen in frequency during the season because you can compare the claims to what you see in games but that won't be the case until November or so.
Let's be real: there's always absurd talk going on in these forums about something. ;)
I still think the Rondo-is-a-problem talk is less ridiculous than the "We are still contenders this season!" talk. But at least the latter is mostly harmless.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
I wouldn't have minded a Rondo trade prior to the injury, either, but I doubt it was a matter of other teams not willing to "bite." Rather, there weren't any top shelf players who were definitely available at that point.
I was holding out hope for the possibility of a Rondo for Cousins swap around the time of the draft, though. But that doesn't seem to be in the cards, either, given the injury.
From the little I've seen of Cousins the people who are expecting him to lead a team to a title have a good long wait ahead of them and that's somewhat optimistic. Some team will trade for him and give him a big contract, I'd rather be the team that signs him to a smaller contract after he wears out his welcome at his next destination.
Yeah, I think Cousins is probably one of those "third team" guys. I don't think he's going to lead anybody to a title, either. But I do think he'll be a great #2 on some really good team some day. He just seems guaranteed to be the next Rasheed / Z-Bo or maybe even the next Pau (who never had attitude issues but was considered a soft loser before joining the Lakers and winning).
I think the right organization could turn Cousins into a valuable player sooner rather than later, though. I think he just needs to go into a situation where he's the clear #2, and the organization can make clear that they value him, but that he's not indispensable. I.e. there's an entrenched coach and an established franchise star already. Neither is going to get moved or fired on Cousins' account. But Cousins still knows that his play has a huge effect on the team's success.
Example: the Rockets (McHale / Harden) or the Cavs (Scott / Irving) would be two great situations for Cousins to go into, I think.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
care to show the reports about rejected trades? The teams that didn't bite? There is zero evidence of that, but otherwise sounds good.
I think most fans do appreciate Rondo and it is a vocal minority that is yelling and screaming to trade him. Thank god they aren't trading him. This place has made me feel like a crazy person for wanting Rondo on this team going forward.
Evidence? That's got to be a joke right?!? Unless you're a GM (and have the tapes) or the GM came out and said something about proposed trades (which they never do), then no one has actual evidence. But generally speaking, where there is smoke, there is fire. Rondo has more smoke around him than a forrest fire.
Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
Oh, yes, just an apologist. All I am. No, I actually think Rondo is beneficial to this team.
And, hey, no stories, no rejected trade offers, no leaks, where is the smoke? I really don't think we had been dangling Rondo and no one would take the bait. But, hey, you sensed smoke. Where was the smoke?
Okay, so you're trying to pretend we you haven't heard the rumors? How about these three below? In each case, the "rumor" was that the other team was not interested.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7296934/sources-boston-celtics-deal-rajon-rondo-land-chris-paul
According to an SI.com report, Celtics general manager Danny Ainge is "highly motivated" to land Paul. The report says the Hornets don't appear interested in a two-team deal in which Rondo and Paul would switch places. So Ainge has been trying to find a third team to get involved.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7631850/sources-boston-celtics-aggressively-trying-trade-guard-rajon-rondo
In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1256288-nba-trade-talk-time-to-re-think-the-westbrook-for-rondo-deal
Last fall, the Boston Celtics reached out to the Oklahoma City Thunder in an attempt to acquire star point guard Russell Westbrook.
The premise of that deal was Westbrook for Boston's Rajon Rondo, with Oklahoma City re-acquiring Jeff Green and Boston re-acquiring Kendrick Perkins.
Oklahoma City wasn’t interested in that deal last fall, but it is time to re-open the Westbrook for Rondo talk. The deal, at its core, benefits both teams.
You do realize these rumors are older than dirt and that the three players that the other team had are as good of basketball players as Rondo, so you can understand them not wanting Rondo. Sort of like we wouldn't want Rudy Gay or Danny Granger or Nicolas Batum for Pierce. Doesn't make them lesser players it just makes Pierce better for us.
I really don't think there was a lot of Rondo discussion around the league before he got hurt that was beyond, "scratching the surface, kicking the tires, seeing who's available stuff" like there always is in January and December.
You asked for stories, I gave you stories. It doesn't matter how old they are.
And yeah, while I know that Rondo isn't worth Paul, but the perception was a lot different then. Paul was coming off an injury and an off year (or two?) and there were numerous fans from the Celtic side that were against the trade. I know, hard to believe. And Westbrook, well, he flawed too. As far as Curry, how many celtic fans would puke if we traded rondo for him? Probably a lot. So it says something if in fact the warriors did not want to do that trade.
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Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk. Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.
I think it's overly wishful that the absurd talk will stop if we lose some games. You're seeing what I generally think of as off-season threads, where people make hyperbolic claims about Rondo's deficiencies and how much he "hurts the team". They generally lessen in frequency during the season because you can compare the claims to what you see in games but that won't be the case until November or so.
Let's be real: there's always absurd talk going on in these forums about something. ;)
I still think the Rondo-is-a-problem talk is less ridiculous than the "We are still contenders this season!" talk. But at least the latter is mostly harmless.
If Rondo and Sully were healthy we would be contenders. The "we're not contenders anymore" has been going on since KG's knee injury, it's no more compelling this year than it has been in the past.
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You asked for stories, I gave you stories. It doesn't matter how old they are.
And yeah, while I know that Rondo isn't worth Paul, but the perception was a lot different then. Paul was coming off an injury and an off year (or two?) and there were numerous fans from the Celtic side that were against the trade. I know, hard to believe. And Westbrook, well, he flawed too. As far as Curry, how many celtic fans would puke if we traded rondo for him? Probably a lot. So it says something if in fact the warriors did not want to do that trade.
Of course it matters how old the stories are!!! You originally hinted that Rondo was being shopped before he got hurt and you wished someone would have bitten on the offers. Except you newest rumor you could find was almost a year old and has nothing to do with late December or early January, the time you are saying there was smoke all over Rondo.
The GM has not come forward and stated Rondo was on the block. There's been no national or local team guys from other areas of the country spouting Rondo rumors.
So how exactly was there Rondo smoke?
There was Rondo smoke on Celticsblog but there was also Allen Iverson smoke on Celticsblog so.....so much as CB for evaluating the hotness of a rumor.
Other than that, rumors about Rondo have been few and far between and it has nothing to do with teams not wanting Rondo, it has to do with him not being on the trading block.
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Rondo is going to be one of those players that fans will miss when he is taking over a game on the other team.
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Rondo's scoring deficiency is the reason why I have been open to Rondo being traded since before this recent winning streak.
Other than Championship caliber defense, Championship teams need elite scorers and Rondo, unfortunately, is an inconsistent and, too often, unreliable source of points. He's an excellent distributor, but in the playoffs against the elite teams is when elite scorers are at a premium.
This is the reason why the Rondo for Curry trade rumors last season had me very intrigued despite Curry being injury prone up until that point because the kid was already an elite shooter and has all the potential to be an elite scorer.
Rondo's an excellent player, but, in the end, regardless of his assist total, triple doubles, individual statistics, and spectacular single-game performances, this team more than likely will not win a title if he's the clear best player on the team.
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Bill Simmons suggested trading Rondo for Cousins and Salmons. I'd have to think about that one. Elite bigs are even harder to find than elite point guards.
i would do that trade in a heartbeat. Cousins i think gets traded 100 percent by the trade deadline.
Sac then can trade anyone else no named Evans, to ATl to get Smith. Smith, Evans, Rondo would be an interesting team to watch on the court
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Bill Simmons suggested trading Rondo for Cousins and Salmons. I'd have to think about that one. Elite bigs are even harder to find than elite point guards.
i would do that trade in a heartbeat. Cousins i think gets traded 100 percent by the trade deadline.
Sac then can trade anyone else no named Evans, to ATl to get Smith. Smith, Evans, Rondo would be an interesting team to watch on the court
Seriously doubt that the people who just bought the Kings is going to trade their best asset before getting down to see what they have over an off season. Sactown isn't moving Evans or Cousins. New Ownership won't let them unless that management team is ripping off some poor schmuck of a GM somewhere.
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Bill Simmons suggested trading Rondo for Cousins and Salmons. I'd have to think about that one. Elite bigs are even harder to find than elite point guards.
i would do that trade in a heartbeat. Cousins i think gets traded 100 percent by the trade deadline.
Sac then can trade anyone else no named Evans, to ATl to get Smith. Smith, Evans, Rondo would be an interesting team to watch on the court
Seriously doubt that the people who just bought the Kings is going to trade their best asset before getting down to see what they have over an off season. Sactown isn't moving Evans or Cousins. New Ownership won't let them unless that management team is ripping off some poor schmuck of a GM somewhere.
i'm not sure how your coming up with this conclusion. Cousins is a very bad player for sac or seattle to have to rep them for the future. Getting suspended and kicked out of games left and right , is not exactly a model player for your team.
Fans won't care for this and won't pay money to watch this kind of crap on the court. Maybe he doesn't get traded by the trade deadline, but he can't be the face of your team
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We couldn't even get equal value for ROndo when he was healthy.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
care to show the reports about rejected trades? The teams that didn't bite? There is zero evidence of that, but otherwise sounds good.
I think most fans do appreciate Rondo and it is a vocal minority that is yelling and screaming to trade him. Thank god they aren't trading him. This place has made me feel like a crazy person for wanting Rondo on this team going forward.
Evidence? That's got to be a joke right?!? Unless you're a GM (and have the tapes) or the GM came out and said something about proposed trades (which they never do), then no one has actual evidence. But generally speaking, where there is smoke, there is fire. Rondo has more smoke around him than a forrest fire.
Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
Oh, yes, just an apologist. All I am. No, I actually think Rondo is beneficial to this team.
And, hey, no stories, no rejected trade offers, no leaks, where is the smoke? I really don't think we had been dangling Rondo and no one would take the bait. But, hey, you sensed smoke. Where was the smoke?
Okay, so you're trying to pretend we you haven't heard the rumors? How about these three below? In each case, the "rumor" was that the other team was not interested.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7296934/sources-boston-celtics-deal-rajon-rondo-land-chris-paul
According to an SI.com report, Celtics general manager Danny Ainge is "highly motivated" to land Paul. The report says the Hornets don't appear interested in a two-team deal in which Rondo and Paul would switch places. So Ainge has been trying to find a third team to get involved.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7631850/sources-boston-celtics-aggressively-trying-trade-guard-rajon-rondo
In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1256288-nba-trade-talk-time-to-re-think-the-westbrook-for-rondo-deal
Last fall, the Boston Celtics reached out to the Oklahoma City Thunder in an attempt to acquire star point guard Russell Westbrook.
The premise of that deal was Westbrook for Boston's Rajon Rondo, with Oklahoma City re-acquiring Jeff Green and Boston re-acquiring Kendrick Perkins.
Oklahoma City wasn’t interested in that deal last fall, but it is time to re-open the Westbrook for Rondo talk. The deal, at its core, benefits both teams.
Yup. Also the Lakers supposedly turned down trading Pau to us for Rondo.
We couldn't even get equal value for Rondo when he was healthy. No way we are getting anything for him now. Maybe an expiring contract for a team willing to gamble on Rondo's health.
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We couldn't even get equal value for ROndo when he was healthy.
its ok. Sac won't get equal value for cousins. It might just all workout.
To Sac: Rondo + Melo + 1st round pick
To Bos: Cousins + Hayes
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Kobe posted on msn.."You-all don't want Rondo, we'll take him!" Better think about it....imagine Rondo coming AT US......You know THEN they would CALL IT, when he gets whacked to the ground like he does 1000 times a game playing for US...!!! Look what kobe has for a pg...38 year old.....and you complain about RONDO....man....!
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if i was the lakers, i would trade howard for cousins...!
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Bill Simmons suggested trading Rondo for Cousins and Salmons. I'd have to think about that one. Elite bigs are even harder to find than elite point guards.
i would do that trade in a heartbeat. Cousins i think gets traded 100 percent by the trade deadline.
Sac then can trade anyone else no named Evans, to ATl to get Smith. Smith, Evans, Rondo would be an interesting team to watch on the court
Seriously doubt that the people who just bought the Kings is going to trade their best asset before getting down to see what they have over an off season. Sactown isn't moving Evans or Cousins. New Ownership won't let them unless that management team is ripping off some poor schmuck of a GM somewhere.
i'm not sure how your coming up with this conclusion. Cousins is a very bad player for sac or seattle to have to rep them for the future. Getting suspended and kicked out of games left and right , is not exactly a model player for your team.
Fans won't care for this and won't pay money to watch this kind of crap on the court. Maybe he doesn't get traded by the trade deadline, but he can't be the face of your team
I could care less how good a team mate Cousins is, I could care less how good a player Cousins is. I don't care what type of model he is.
He is an asset that needs to be evaluated buy the people who own and manage the team to see if he is a viable player to build around or whether they should trade him and if so, what could they get for him.
Doing that hastily two weeks before the trade deadline is bad business. I doubt they will spend $500 million on the team and then not do a proper in depth evaluation of the Kings best players to see what to do with them.
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Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk. Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.
It's all about the C's for me. The only time I've ever wanted them to lose is when we were tanking for Duncan and then later for Oden/Durant. But the want them to lose because one player is getting criticized makes me wonder if you're a Rondo fan more than a C's fan.
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Is there a player on the team that some fans haven't wanted to trade?
Some fans want Rondo gone. Some want KG and Pierce shipped out. Others want to see Doc fired, or Danny fired. Heck,.
Does this team really need Rondo? Objective opinion not nostalgic opinion...
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The only thing Rajon Rondo should do is rest his knee and think about next season with Paul, KG, Bass, Lee, Jet, Green, Wilcox, AB, healthy Jared and Co.
He should also NOT take this Celtics' Win Streak any other way than the fact that BOS has FINALLY caught Lightning in a bottle and everything is clicking for them.
We'd STILL be winning by now even IF Rondo was here...there is NO way that this team is better WITHOUT him.
Count me among those who believe that we CAN still do somethings this post-season, but our opportunity is ever so slim and margin of error is basically gone without Rondo on the floor for us.
But yeah - that's all Rondo SHOULD be doing for BOS right now...just getting ready for next season in Green.
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Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk. Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.
It's all about the C's for me. The only time I've ever wanted them to lose is when we were tanking for Duncan and then later for Oden/Durant. But the want them to lose because one player is getting criticized makes me wonder if you're a Rondo fan more than a C's fan.
He's not talking about being a fan of Rondo vs being a fan of the C's.
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Part of me wants the Celtics to go on a 5-game losing streak to end this absurd talk. Most of me wants the Celtics to just keep playing well, with or without Rondo, and just stop reading these forums.
It's all about the C's for me. The only time I've ever wanted them to lose is when we were tanking for Duncan and then later for Oden/Durant. But the want them to lose because one player is getting criticized makes me wonder if you're a Rondo fan more than a C's fan.
He's not talking about being a fan of Rondo vs being a fan of the C's.
Indirectly, yes.
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I agree.
Now this team has gelled without him...but that doesn't mean anything about Ray being right etc...rondo actually was wanting Avery to start.
Doesn't mean he's been some kind of hindrance all along..quite the opposite actually.
This team has no pressure, no expectations since his injury and are even now being coached better....the disrespect he's received from his own fan base has been gross..like he's some scrub.
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did someone say rondo's scoring efficiency....LOL...compared to WHO's..? HE LEADS THE LEAGUE in ASSISTS......you wanted him to improve his shooting, he did, invented passes, runs, great layups, penetrates, takes on anyone, backs up his team mates....works hard, he is almost perfect....a better coaching effort would help his D..then what...? Some people just don't get it.....
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I agree.
Now this team has gelled without him...but that doesn't mean anything about Ray being right etc...rondo actually was wanting Avery to start.
Doesn't mean he's been some kind of hindrance all along..quite the opposite actually.
This team has no pressure, no expectations since his injury and are even now being coached better....the disrespect he's received from his own fan base has been gross..
i am with you...these guys step on our team mate in an instant....ask the SAME from everyone else also then....hardly anyone gives as good as rondo does.....
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I'm still annoyed by the fact when Avery came back things were starting to click, for Jeff green and lee, for the defense, and for rondo...he then got hurt and right as he got healthy again Rondo went out for the year....we never really got to see a healthy rondo and Bradley backcourt.....this turnaround and gelling was coming despite the injury IMO
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You asked for stories, I gave you stories. It doesn't matter how old they are.
And yeah, while I know that Rondo isn't worth Paul, but the perception was a lot different then. Paul was coming off an injury and an off year (or two?) and there were numerous fans from the Celtic side that were against the trade. I know, hard to believe. And Westbrook, well, he flawed too. As far as Curry, how many celtic fans would puke if we traded rondo for him? Probably a lot. So it says something if in fact the warriors did not want to do that trade.
Of course it matters how old the stories are!!! You originally hinted that Rondo was being shopped before he got hurt and you wished someone would have bitten on the offers. Except you newest rumor you could find was almost a year old and has nothing to do with late December or early January, the time you are saying there was smoke all over Rondo.
The GM has not come forward and stated Rondo was on the block. There's been no national or local team guys from other areas of the country spouting Rondo rumors.
So how exactly was there Rondo smoke?
There was Rondo smoke on Celticsblog but there was also Allen Iverson smoke on Celticsblog so.....so much as CB for evaluating the hotness of a rumor.
Other than that, rumors about Rondo have been few and far between and it has nothing to do with teams not wanting Rondo, it has to do with him not being on the trading block.
I hinted no such thing. See, people assume I want to trade rondo because of this six game sample. Like I am convinced that this winning streak proves we don't need him. Not true at all. I would not have complained if we traded rondo this year or three years ago. I never meant to suggest that I only wanted him traded this year.
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I think Rondo is an incredible player / talent.
I also think:
1. He's often times lazy on D - and the combined & "consistent" defensive pressure that Bradley and Lee are applying has significantly improved our defense and been a major reason we've gone 6-0, soft schedule or not.
Celtics are in a very good position right now; over the rest of this season they they can see how good this team really is and if they like what they can see, they can trade Rondo for another piece at another position of need.
Or, they can get Rondo back healthy and he can be the Rondo we love as a player.
If they feel Rondo is the future, they could consider trading Bradley and Lee as a package for an all young stud off guard to pair with Rondo.
If they think Bradley is the ticket at point, they could trade Rondo for an all star at another position of need, maybe off guard or Center.
The way the rest of this season plays out will determine all that.
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This fanbase has no loyalty for a PG that has lead this league in steals/assists while dominating playoff series. They cite Allen as a witness to his flaws when Ray ran towards South Beach for less money. Short term memories fade fast.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=49cK_op2uuw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D49cK_op2uuw
I only wish DA could have traded him before he got hurt. But alas, no team was willing to bite.
care to show the reports about rejected trades? The teams that didn't bite? There is zero evidence of that, but otherwise sounds good.
I think most fans do appreciate Rondo and it is a vocal minority that is yelling and screaming to trade him. Thank god they aren't trading him. This place has made me feel like a crazy person for wanting Rondo on this team going forward.
Evidence? That's got to be a joke right?!? Unless you're a GM (and have the tapes) or the GM came out and said something about proposed trades (which they never do), then no one has actual evidence. But generally speaking, where there is smoke, there is fire. Rondo has more smoke around him than a forrest fire.
Ans this is what rondo apoligist don't understand. I am not saying to cut the guy or that I don't appreciate him. I simply think we can benefit from the value he would bring in return. I'm a fan of the Boston Celtics, and that is bigger than any player for me.
Oh, yes, just an apologist. All I am. No, I actually think Rondo is beneficial to this team.
And, hey, no stories, no rejected trade offers, no leaks, where is the smoke? I really don't think we had been dangling Rondo and no one would take the bait. But, hey, you sensed smoke. Where was the smoke?
Okay, so you're trying to pretend we you haven't heard the rumors? How about these three below? In each case, the "rumor" was that the other team was not interested.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7296934/sources-boston-celtics-deal-rajon-rondo-land-chris-paul
According to an SI.com report, Celtics general manager Danny Ainge is "highly motivated" to land Paul. The report says the Hornets don't appear interested in a two-team deal in which Rondo and Paul would switch places. So Ainge has been trying to find a third team to get involved.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7631850/sources-boston-celtics-aggressively-trying-trade-guard-rajon-rondo
In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1256288-nba-trade-talk-time-to-re-think-the-westbrook-for-rondo-deal
Last fall, the Boston Celtics reached out to the Oklahoma City Thunder in an attempt to acquire star point guard Russell Westbrook.
The premise of that deal was Westbrook for Boston's Rajon Rondo, with Oklahoma City re-acquiring Jeff Green and Boston re-acquiring Kendrick Perkins.
Oklahoma City wasn’t interested in that deal last fall, but it is time to re-open the Westbrook for Rondo talk. The deal, at its core, benefits both teams.
You do realize these rumors are older than dirt and that the three players that the other team had are as good of basketball players as Rondo, so you can understand them not wanting Rondo. Sort of like we wouldn't want Rudy Gay or Danny Granger or Nicolas Batum for Pierce. Doesn't make them lesser players it just makes Pierce better for us.
I really don't think there was a lot of Rondo discussion around the league before he got hurt that was beyond, "scratching the surface, kicking the tires, seeing who's available stuff" like there always is in January and December.
You asked for stories, I gave you stories. It doesn't matter how old they are.
And yeah, while I know that Rondo isn't worth Paul, but the perception was a lot different then. Paul was coming off an injury and an off year (or two?) and there were numerous fans from the Celtic side that were against the trade. I know, hard to believe. And Westbrook, well, he flawed too. As far as Curry, how many celtic fans would puke if we traded rondo for him? Probably a lot. So it says something if in fact the warriors did not want to do that trade.
Or maybe the Celtics didn't want Curry...?
In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.
Also keep in mind it was Chris Broussard and his "sources" that started most of these trade rumors (Rondo-Curry, Rondo/Green-Westbrook/Perkins).
And with the Pau/Rondo rumor, Woj said there was no discussions between the two teams:
Said Wojnarowski: "I think that LA certainly wants a point guard, there's no question. I know Kobe [Bryant] loves Rondo, and he'd love to play with him. I've also been told, for all the talk about that Gasol [rumor] … I've been told the two teams never ever discussed — LA had never called Boston and they've never discussed it. I don't think it's anything that's really based in any reality."
http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2012/03/02/adrian-wojnarowski-on-dc-dont-see-rondo-deal-happening/