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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: BleedGreen1989 on February 08, 2013, 09:36:02 AM
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The Grizzlies are not done dealing, according to multiple sources -- they're just not looking to do any more
stripping. The Grizzlies are far enough under the luxury tax that they're willing to utilize at least part of their $7.5 million trade exception to add some perimeter help. Acquiring SG Courtney Lee, who Boston would consider flipping for some frontline help, was discussed but the Celtics aren't looking just to drop salary but add size. That, of course, is if they continue their current run since Rajon Rondo went down; the winning streak apparently has GM Danny Ainge feeling an obligation to KG and Paul Pierce to give them whatever he can to take one more shot rather than move one of his veterans and begin rebuilding.
Not sure I believe much of the rumors now but figured I'd post it.
I have no interest in moving Lee unless they want to send back Ed Davis...even then, I really like what Lee brings to this team.
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Good for them....I'm interested in keeping him
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THey don't have anyone realistically that they would trade for Lee plus with his defense and offensive combination I want to keep him...
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If the C's are dumping salary then I'd have to assume they'd dump Pierce and try to move KG as well.
If that's the case sure, but otherwise why would the C's do this?
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If the C's are dumping salary then I'd have to assume they'd dump Pierce and try to move KG as well.
If that's the case sure, but otherwise why would the C's do this?
It could get them under the tax line.
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Pre-Rondo injury I would've done Lee for Speights. Speights is doing really well in Cleveland averaging 14.7 ppg, and 7.3 rpg, in 24.3 mpg.
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Memphis is dumb in the sense if this rumor is true, they could of had lee for speights but instead got nothing back for him
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I like Courtney Lee, but if they offered Ed Davis for him, I think I would do the deal.
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Well if some how we got Zach Randolph out of it I'm all ears.
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Am I crazy in feeling better with Lee/Bradley as the "point guards" instead of Terry/Barbosa? I'm really liking what Lee brings to the team, and loving the Lee/Bradley backcourt. I know, you've got to give up something to get something, but Lee has finally been showing why he's such a good guy to have around.
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Don't see the C's "dumping" Lee. He's young and on a reasonable contract. He'd be pretty far back in line if the Cs start blowing it up...
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Since the first objective is to get out of the East, I'm not sure that swapping Lee for Ed Davis gets you any closer to that. I think Lee's size as a guard is way more necessary that adding another big, even if that big would be an upgrade over Collins. If Wilcox can play like he did against LA, he really shores things up sizewise.
Mike
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Am I crazy in feeling better with Lee/Bradley as the "point guards" instead of Terry/Barbosa? I'm really liking what Lee brings to the team, and loving the Lee/Bradley backcourt. I know, you've got to give up something to get something, but Lee has finally been showing why he's such a good guy to have around.
I don't know, Bradley bringing up the ball does not look that good to me.
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Memphis need a scorer. Not another limited creator offensively.
Really disappointed with what has happened there over the last few weeks.
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I really like what Courtney Lee brings to this team.
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Am I crazy in feeling better with Lee/Bradley as the "point guards" instead of Terry/Barbosa? I'm really liking what Lee brings to the team, and loving the Lee/Bradley backcourt. I know, you've got to give up something to get something, but Lee has finally been showing why he's such a good guy to have around.
I don't know, Bradley bringing up the ball does not look that good to me.
I think he's generally capable, although I agree with you -- his hunched up dribble makes my back hurt just watching.
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How about:
Memphis gets Lee, Bass, and Terry.
Boston gets Randolph and Wroten.
Works on the trade checker.
Rumors have been floating that Memphis would unload Z-Bo. They could replace him with Bass and get Terry and Lee for more perimeter offense.
Celtics get size and low-post scoring in Z-Bo to pair with KG's mid-range game and an intriguing, young, athletic point guard with size (6-6) in Wroten. C's guard corp would be a mess (Pierce would probably have to play some 2 guard) but that frontline would be a powerhouse - KG/Z-Bo/PP.
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I'd probably move Lee for the trade exception that Boston would get back. I'd really like Tony Allen back though. I think he would be a great fit and would be an easy sell to the rest of the team that we aren't giving up on the year (while at the same time dumping Lee for an expiring). I don't think Memphis would do that however and they certainly aren't giving up Ed Davis.
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I like Lee, AB, Jet .......combo.........
trade off little Kobe II
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Well if some how we got Zach Randolph out of it I'm all ears.
This was my thoughts exactly. I really like lee but if we could get Randolph in a package I'm all over it.
Lee bass and....
For Randolph.
Grizz get lee who they're "after" and then trade 3 years and 16 mil per year of Randolph for a much cheaper 3 years and 6 mil per year of bass.
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Lee is not "Lee"ving.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajowucc
Im not often a trade proposal guy but putting this one out there
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajowucc
Im not often a trade proposal guy but putting this one out there
I don't want to move green without having a backup in place for pierce.
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Lee is playing nice now. , so is Green and Jet.
The only person I want to,hear trades for is Rondo.
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Memphis need a scorer. Not another limited creator offensively.
Really disappointed with what has happened there over the last few weeks.
They do. But they also need perimeter shooting, which Lee provides. As well as making a great defense even better.
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Only guy you want back for Lee is Marc Gasol.
Think about what Randolph will do on this team? He will take away from our speed game, he will take away from KG and PP.
No thanks.
We need a guy who can hit the open jumper and do dirty work.
We need a Nick Collison type guy, a Udonis Haslem guy...heck if Bass can get back to playing like he did last year, we'd be all set.
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If the C's are dumping salary then I'd have to assume they'd dump Pierce and try to move KG as well.
If that's the case sure, but otherwise why would the C's do this?
It could get them under the tax line.
There's zero reason for this team to be interested in getting under the tax line this year.
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I'd probably move Lee for the trade exception that Boston would get back. I'd really like Tony Allen back though. I think he would be a great fit and would be an easy sell to the rest of the team that we aren't giving up on the year (while at the same time dumping Lee for an expiring).
Yes, you beat me to it. If it were a Lee for Allen trade, that'd be great for the Cs.
I would also be tempted with the straight up Lee for trade exeption -- it would give the Cs options in the future. That said, a $5M trade exemption is in a funny range. it is about $1M or $1.5M too small to be really useful, IMHO. The players out there that it could be used on is limited (e.g.: all the folks that signed for the MLE this year get a raise next year, and the TE couldn't be used on them).
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Lee is playing nice now. , so is Green and Jet.
Might this mean that it is a good time to trade him?
(buy low, sell high....)
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I'd probably move Lee for the trade exception that Boston would get back. I'd really like Tony Allen back though. I think he would be a great fit and would be an easy sell to the rest of the team that we aren't giving up on the year (while at the same time dumping Lee for an expiring).
Yes, you beat me to it. If it were a Lee for Allen trade, that'd be great for the Cs.
I would also be tempted with the straight up Lee for trade exeption -- it would give the Cs options in the future. That said, a $5M trade exemption is in a funny range. it is about $1M or $1.5M too small to be really useful, IMHO. The players out there that it could be used on is limited (e.g.: all the folks that signed for the MLE this year get a raise next year, and the TE couldn't be used on them).
Yea that trade exp could only land us a role player, say umm Courtney Lee?
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I'd probably move Lee for the trade exception that Boston would get back. I'd really like Tony Allen back though. I think he would be a great fit and would be an easy sell to the rest of the team that we aren't giving up on the year (while at the same time dumping Lee for an expiring).
Yes, you beat me to it. If it were a Lee for Allen trade, that'd be great for the Cs.
I would also be tempted with the straight up Lee for trade exeption -- it would give the Cs options in the future. That said, a $5M trade exemption is in a funny range. it is about $1M or $1.5M too small to be really useful, IMHO. The players out there that it could be used on is limited (e.g.: all the folks that signed for the MLE this year get a raise next year, and the TE couldn't be used on them).
True, it isn't a huge one, but we could have for example taken on Speights in a salary dump like Cleveland did. Or rookies or veterans that a team needs to move to make a trade work. A little bit bigger one would be better though. Maybe you send Lee and Collins to Memphis, to bump up the trade exception by about a million, that gets you closer to 6 million, which is a better number to be at.
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only one way...A for LEE...!!!! works for ME..!!!
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I like Courtney Lee, but if they offered Ed Davis for him, I think I would do the deal.
Right, but Davis was the centerpiece of their Gay deal. I think that they want to move Darrell Arthur because they don't have a lot of minutes for him now that Davis is on the roster.
So the question is, Arthur and who?
If it's Arthur and Allen, I think I'd take it. Lee is a nice player, but I can't resist the chance to watch Tony Allen and Avery Bradley side by side.
Memphis is cost-conscious, so surely Wroten isn't on the table.
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Only guy you want back for Lee is Marc Gasol.
Think about what Randolph will do on this team? He will take away from our speed game, he will take away from KG and PP.
No thanks.
We need a guy who can hit the open jumper and do dirty work.
We need a Nick Collison type guy, a Udonis Haslem guy...heck if Bass can get back to playing like he did last year, we'd be all set.
In the playoffs the game slows down. You want the game to slow down when you play Miami if you have a front line of pierce, zbo, and kg. Zbo immediately solves our rebounding issues and gives us a legitimate post presence.
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Hopefully the part about Ainge changing his mind because of a 6 game winning streak isn't true.
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I really like what Courtney Lee brings to this team.
Same
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Only guy you want back for Lee is Marc Gasol.
Think about what Randolph will do on this team? He will take away from our speed game, he will take away from KG and PP.
No thanks.
We need a guy who can hit the open jumper and do dirty work.
We need a Nick Collison type guy, a Udonis Haslem guy...heck if Bass can get back to playing like he did last year, we'd be all set.
In the playoffs the game slows down. You want the game to slow down when you play Miami if you have a front line of pierce, zbo, and kg. Zbo immediately solves our rebounding issues and gives us a legitimate post presence.
He helps our rebounding but what about a rim protector? Also, are you prepared to pay him 16mill a year for the next three years? I'm not.
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I like Courtney Lee, but if they offered Ed Davis for him, I think I would do the deal.
Right, but Davis was the centerpiece of their Gay deal. I think that they want to move Darrell Arthur because they don't have a lot of minutes for him now that Davis is on the roster.
So the question is, Arthur and who?
If it's Arthur and Allen, I think I'd take it. Lee is a nice player, but I can't resist the chance to watch Tony Allen and Avery Bradley side by side.
Memphis is cost-conscious, so surely Wroten isn't on the table.
It doesn't have to be anyone aside from Arthur as Memphis has a trade exception and can absorb the salary. So we trade them Lee with their exception and then we use most of that exception for Arthur (and still have some exception left).
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Am I crazy in feeling better with Lee/Bradley as the "point guards" instead of Terry/Barbosa? I'm really liking what Lee brings to the team, and loving the Lee/Bradley backcourt. I know, you've got to give up something to get something, but Lee has finally been showing why he's such a good guy to have around.
I don't know, Bradley bringing up the ball does not look that good to me.
I think he's generally capable, although I agree with you -- his hunched up dribble makes my back hurt just watching.
Well, if you're worried about Bradley at the point, that's another reason to keep Lee around unless you're blown away by an offer. I haven't liked what I've seen from JET/Barbosa at the point; none of these guys are natural point guards, but Lee seems to do a pretty decent job of getting the ball where it needs to be.
But, I'm not totally opposed to trading Lee, if we get back a big man that's good enough to slot into the starting rotation.
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This one is tempting: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=amo56fp
but I think I'd say no.
Memphis would have to decide they can start Bayless, with Wroten the eventual backup and Terry the backup for now, plus Lee...
Celtics guard rotation goes down to 3 (plus Pierce), Conley, Barbosa and Bradley. I think we lose too much despite getting Arthur.... I don't know very tempting. We lose some of our Wade stopping power with the loss of Lee, plus Terry's clutchness, which I believe in.....
Final answer: no, unless there were a big nasty SG to pick up off the wire to backup AB...or unless the Celtics were secretly hoping to give Paul some SG minutes to get Green on the floor more....
Final final answer: no.
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Am I crazy in feeling better with Lee/Bradley as the "point guards" instead of Terry/Barbosa? I'm really liking what Lee brings to the team, and loving the Lee/Bradley backcourt. I know, you've got to give up something to get something, but Lee has finally been showing why he's such a good guy to have around.
I don't know, Bradley bringing up the ball does not look that good to me.
I think he's generally capable, although I agree with you -- his hunched up dribble makes my back hurt just watching.
Well, if you're worried about Bradley at the point, that's another reason to keep Lee around unless you're blown away by an offer. I haven't liked what I've seen from JET/Barbosa at the point; none of these guys are natural point guards, but Lee seems to do a pretty decent job of getting the ball where it needs to be.
But, I'm not totally opposed to trading Lee, if we get back a big man that's good enough to slot into the starting rotation.
What if they offer Bayless?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=alq2d7s
or
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arbajyt
Maybe we throw in a 2nd round pick?
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If you can trade Lee for a player with size you do it. You can always sign Delonte to take his place. Delonte's familiar with the team and also familiar with Terry from their days in Dallas.
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Am I crazy in feeling better with Lee/Bradley as the "point guards" instead of Terry/Barbosa? I'm really liking what Lee brings to the team, and loving the Lee/Bradley backcourt. I know, you've got to give up something to get something, but Lee has finally been showing why he's such a good guy to have around.
I don't know, Bradley bringing up the ball does not look that good to me.
I think he's generally capable, although I agree with you -- his hunched up dribble makes my back hurt just watching.
Well, if you're worried about Bradley at the point, that's another reason to keep Lee around unless you're blown away by an offer. I haven't liked what I've seen from JET/Barbosa at the point; none of these guys are natural point guards, but Lee seems to do a pretty decent job of getting the ball where it needs to be.
But, I'm not totally opposed to trading Lee, if we get back a big man that's good enough to slot into the starting rotation.
What if they offer Bayless?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=alq2d7s
or
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arbajyt
Maybe we throw in a 2nd round pick?
i'd do that 2nd one for sure, but as a arizona alum i'm still shocked bayless hasn't turned out better. he just seemed to have it all. plus you get back allen. it would be a great trade for the celts. i like lee lately though.
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They won't trade Arthur since they traded Speights away just so Arthur could play more
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Only guy you want back for Lee is Marc Gasol.
Think about what Randolph will do on this team? He will take away from our speed game, he will take away from KG and PP.
No thanks.
We need a guy who can hit the open jumper and do dirty work.
We need a Nick Collison type guy, a Udonis Haslem guy...heck if Bass can get back to playing like he did last year, we'd be all set.
In the playoffs the game slows down. You want the game to slow down when you play Miami if you have a front line of pierce, zbo, and kg. Zbo immediately solves our rebounding issues and gives us a legitimate post presence.
This exactly.
Plus he does hit the outside jumper and do the dirty work as well. He would be a perfect power forward alongside KG for us.
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If you can trade Lee for a player with size you do it. You can always sign Delonte to take his place. Delonte's familiar with the team and also familiar with Terry from their days in Dallas.
Forget Delonte. If the Celtics had ANY interest in bringing West back, he:
A. Never would have gone to Dallas in the first place
B. Would have already been brought back to fill in Rondo's spot
Doesn't it say something that Dallas - the team that's most intimately familiar now with Delonte's struggles - wants absolutely nothing to do with him?
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They won't trade Arthur since they traded Speights away just so Arthur could play more
If they're getting a guy in return like Bass, then they would be more inclined to move him.
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I'd probably move Lee for the trade exception that Boston would get back. I'd really like Tony Allen back though. I think he would be a great fit and would be an easy sell to the rest of the team that we aren't giving up on the year (while at the same time dumping Lee for an expiring).
Yes, you beat me to it. If it were a Lee for Allen trade, that'd be great for the Cs.
I would also be tempted with the straight up Lee for trade exeption -- it would give the Cs options in the future. That said, a $5M trade exemption is in a funny range. it is about $1M or $1.5M too small to be really useful, IMHO. The players out there that it could be used on is limited (e.g.: all the folks that signed for the MLE this year get a raise next year, and the TE couldn't be used on them).
Yea that trade exp could only land us a role player, say umm Courtney Lee?
Yea, exactly!
Except we wouldnt be able to get Lee next year bc he'd be above the $5M TE...
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With Minnesota interested in moving Ridnour would a deal like this make sense...
Lee to the Grizz
Ridnour to the Celts
Trade Exception and a second rounder to Minn?
Not sure what Minn is looking for but the could get an exception and the pick.
Ridnour/Barboas
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Green
Bass/Wilcox
KG/Collins
Gives us a true point for the rest of the season and finally a good legit back up next year for Rondo. I really like how Lee is playing right now though and would probably only move him for a big in return.
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Good for them....I'm interested in keeping him
^yep, sounds about right
we're playing very good basketball right now and motivated basketball
I prefer moving NO ONE at this point? maybe Bass, but even now, he's playing motivated
I don't want to mess with this current team chemistry and morale
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Players I would trade Lee for (that work salary wise)
1. Tony Allen: last year of his contract, if he thinks they aren't committed to winning maybe they deal him.
2. Ed Davis: unlikely
3. Daryl Arthur: He would certainly be an upgrade as a back up big but is he enough of an upgrade to cover up for the downgrade at sg.
If Danny sees this team as short of a championship contender this year a deal that helps the future would be apt. When Rondo comes back we will have a log jam at the guard position. Trading Lee for a big man now could solve this log jam in the future.
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With Minnesota interested in moving Ridnour would a deal like this make sense...
Lee to the Grizz
Ridnour to the Celts
Trade Exception and a second rounder to Minn?
Not sure what Minn is looking for but the could get an exception and the pick.
Ridnour/Barboas
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Green
Bass/Wilcox
KG/Collins
Gives us a true point for the rest of the season and finally a good legit back up next year for Rondo. I really like how Lee is playing right now though and would probably only move him for a big in return.
We already lack size at the SG position, why would we trade Lee for another small guard?
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Wasn't there a rumor last week or so that Memphis was interested in Jason Terry?
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Too bad they already moved speights.
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don't want to mess up the chemistry.........but if they want to trade ZBO or Mark Gasol for Rondo , then. dat be cool with me.
other wise the Grizzles can go jump off a cliff.
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With Minnesota interested in moving Ridnour would a deal like this make sense...
Lee to the Grizz
Ridnour to the Celts
Trade Exception and a second rounder to Minn?
Not sure what Minn is looking for but the could get an exception and the pick.
Ridnour/Barboas
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Green
Bass/Wilcox
KG/Collins
Gives us a true point for the rest of the season and finally a good legit back up next year for Rondo. I really like how Lee is playing right now though and would probably only move him for a big in return.
What about switching Ridnour with JJ Reddick?
I know the salaries don't quite match up, but something like that would connect a few of the dots (BOS interested in Reddick, MEM interested in Lee, ORL interested in ....?)
Barbosa/Terry
Bradley/Reddick
Pierce/Green
Bass/Wilcox
KG/Collins
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They won't trade Arthur since they traded Speights away just so Arthur could play more
If they're getting a guy in return like Bass, then they would be more inclined to move him.
Debatable because Arthur is a better backup for ZBo
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They can not move Courtney Lee and they won't.
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They can not move Courtney Lee and they won't.
Why can't they?
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With Minnesota interested in moving Ridnour would a deal like this make sense...
Lee to the Grizz
Ridnour to the Celts
Trade Exception and a second rounder to Minn?
Not sure what Minn is looking for but the could get an exception and the pick.
Ridnour/Barboas
Bradley/Terry
Pierce/Green
Bass/Wilcox
KG/Collins
Gives us a true point for the rest of the season and finally a good legit back up next year for Rondo. I really like how Lee is playing right now though and would probably only move him for a big in return.
What about switching Ridnour with JJ Reddick?
I know the salaries don't quite match up, but something like that would connect a few of the dots (BOS interested in Reddick, MEM interested in Lee, ORL interested in ....?)
Barbosa/Terry
Bradley/Reddick
Pierce/Green
Bass/Wilcox
KG/Collins
No motivation for Orlando, Boston isn't giving up Lee + pick for Reddick and Memphis isn't giving away a draft pick for a role player. They just gave away one to get under the tax already.
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They can not move Courtney Lee and they won't.
Why can't they?
Because it's unlikely that we can upgrade the guard position in a swap of guards. And we can't afford to dispense of a guard without bringing another one back.
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It wouldn't be Randolph. C's would have to give up too much and his contract isn't cap friendly enough.
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Some of you have it a little twisted. You don't trade a player when hes playing poorly. You trade him when hes playing well. I like Lee but if we can trade him for a serviceable big man, *Better than wilcox and collins* Id do it.
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I don't see the appeal of trading Lee for Arthur. Ed Davis would be nice, but that doesn't make much sense for Memphis.
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don't want to mess up the chemistry.........but if they want to trade ZBO or Mark Gasol for Rondo , then. dat be cool with me.
other wise the Grizzles can go jump off a cliff.
only marc gasol bc zbo would not fit with the celts. Just too slow and sort of a hog