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Title: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: boscel33 on February 07, 2013, 10:05:30 AM
"Further speculation had the Clippers beefing up their offer to the Celtics for Garnett, replacing Caron Butler with young center DeAndre Jordan to go with point guard Eric Bledsoe. But an NBA source said Wednesday the sides have not discussed any deals, much less specifics of a Garnett trade."

and

ďI want an opportunity to at least try to win another championship, simple and plain. And if thatís not going to be here -- if thatís going to be somewhere else -- so be it," said Pierce."

This makes it more intriguing and if true, have to believe a deal is probably going to happen.  The questions is, which happens first Pierce or KG getting traded.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Fafnir on February 07, 2013, 10:07:40 AM
Source?
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: kozlodoev on February 07, 2013, 10:10:00 AM
Source?
It's in today's Herald.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Roy H. on February 07, 2013, 10:16:41 AM
That quote from Pierce is pretty out of context.

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Before we get to the part that is certain to be sliced, diced and placed under an electron microscope ó comments that will invite words to be read between their lines ó it is important to know this: Paul Pierce is thoroughly committed to the Celtics and what theyíre presently trying to do.

Even with Rajon Rondo and Jared Sullinger down and out for the season, the captain still believes . . . even as he acknowledges the possibility that what comes next may not be conducive to his own goals and may force him to finish his career elsewhere.

But back to now. Pierce is intent on leaving an omelet on the face of all those who think the Celts are sunk.

ďNo doubt,Ē he said yesterday of his motives. ďI honestly feel this team could do something special beyond what anybody could probably believe. I feel like the talent thatís in this room, based on when I look at the East ó even with the circumstances with the injuries ó can still win. When I see how we play against a Miami and I see how we play vs. the Clippers and just what weíve got, I still feel like we can compete with anybody in the league.

ďYou know, this could be one of those special stories that come around every so many years.Ē

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ďIím at the point in my career where Iíve got to evaluate it each and every year,Ē Pierce said. ďItís all based on the situation and based on what I want out of this game still. I mean, Iíve still got a lot of love for the game. Iím still very motivated. But thereís other factors.

ďI mean, I really donít want to be part of a rebuilding situation again. I just think at this point in time thatís something that would wear on me too much mentally that I donít know what decision I may make if I have to. I may retire if I have to. You know, thatís something thatís a year-end process, especially given the situation that we have right now.Ē

According to Pierce, his call will be dictated by the direction the Celtics take moving forward. And while he has stated strongly that he would like to end his career with the club, he opened the door wide to the possibility he could finish elsewhere.

ďItís all on what they plan on doing,Ē said Pierce. ďIf they try to go into a rebuild mode, then, you know, I donít know if I want to be a part of that. But thatís up to them and what they need to do. I donít want to go out on a rebuild mode.

ďI want an opportunity to at least try to win another championship, simple and plain. And if thatís not going to be here ó if thatís going to be somewhere else ó so be it. Thatís what it has to be. I mean, even the greatest players played for other franchises.

ďAnd sometimes itís not about the player; itís about the franchise moving forward and doing what they feel is best for them. And players have their agendas, too, as far as older players as they wind down their career wanting to finish on successful teams.Ē

Pierce still believes he could accomplish that with the Celtics, but itís fair to say, too, he knows where his suitcase is should management decide to take the club in a reconstructive direction.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/02/pierce_i_dont_want_be_part_rebuilding_situation
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Eddie20 on February 07, 2013, 10:16:48 AM
Source?
It's in today's Herald.

It's actually in the Globe.


http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/02/07/raptors-mickael-pietrus-laments-not-returning-celtics/hyGbBHVdIjFS7xvwFuDSBP/story.html
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TORONTO ó Mickael Pietrus wanted to return to the Celtics, hoping that offseason right knee surgery that improved his flexibility and athleticism would convince the club to bring him back. It didnít.

Pietrus, who was a key player off the bench in the Celticsí run to Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals, signed with the Raptors in late November and was a steady contributor until being replaced in the rotation by rookie Terrence Ross. Entering Wednesday nightís game against Boston, Pietrus hasnít played since Jan. 9 because of left knee soreness and the decisions of coach Dwane Casey.

Pietrus lobbied last season for the Celtics to re-sign him but his ailing knee and shooting troubles prompted the club to pursue Courtney Lee.

ďI was happy to see my old friends and obviously you canít forget what we went through last summer with this team,Ē Pietrus said before the Celticsí 99-95 win over the Raptors. ďIt was great to share in that moment with them and to see their faces made me feel good. I wanted to be part of the Boston Celtics family but I am not mad at management or anything. I still love those guys. We had a great run and I appreciate everything theyíve done for me. They got my knee right and today Iím happy.Ē


The swingman said he played most of last season at far less than 100 percent.

ďI knew it was something that was going to cost me three or four months to really be ready to play and I thought I was going to be ready for training camp for Boston and I was but the management have to do what they do,Ē he said.

ďJust being part of the history, I loved it. I thought I was going back. Not only me but the whole building thought I was coming back. I did not, so weíll see.Ē

Imperfect 10

Since the injuries to Rajon Rondo and Jared Sullinger, coach Doc Rivers has gone with a 10-deep lineup, something he said in previous years he didnít prefer. But with no primary scoring guard and an inconsistent bench this season, he said he will go with various rotations, meaning that every current active player besides Fab Melo should get minutes.

And that was the case Wednesday, when 10 players logged minutes for the Celtics, including the trio of Jason Terry (26), Jeff Green (27), and Leandro Barbosa (27).

ďI think itís who we have to be,Ē Rivers said. ďIt almost works for us in a lot of ways. You feel like a basketball manager with relief pitchers. When your two guards who start are tired or struggling, you signal in your other two guards and they come in with a completely different pace and the way they play with Jet [Terry] and LB [Barbosa], and Jeff almost has to be with that group to give them a ballhandler.

ďThereís times where weíll go nine and play only one extra big. But with Kevin [Garnettís] minute restriction youíre almost forced to play 10.Ē

More speculation

Further speculation had the Clippers beefing up their offer to the Celtics for Garnett, replacing Caron Butler with young center DeAndre Jordan to go with point guard Eric Bledsoe. But an NBA source said Wednesday the sides have not discussed any deals, much less specifics of a Garnett trade.


400 for Rivers

Wednesday was the 400th win for Rivers as Celtics coach, and he trails only Tom Heinsohn (427 from 1969 to 1978) and the legendary Red Auerbach (795 from 1950 to 1966). Rivers said he was unaware of the milestone but was grateful.

ďThatís cool,Ē he said. ďI thought it was the 400th of my career, I didnít know it was with the Celtics, so thatís cool and to be behind those two guys is pretty special for me.Ē

Rivers has 571 career wins, 171 with the Magic.

Bargnani back

The Raptors welcomed back former No. 1 overall pick Andrea Bargnani after he missed nearly two months with a torn ligament in his left elbow. He was effective in his 24 minutes Wednesday, scoring 13 points on 5-for-10 shooting with 3 rebounds and 2 steals . . . Forward Landry Fields (acute back spasms) and swingman Linas Kleiza (sore right knee) were out for Toronto . . . Rivers received his third technical foul of the season for arguing calls with official Brent Barnaky with 3:59 left in the first half. Rivers kept jawing to Barnaky until guard Avery Bradley came over and told Rivers to calm down . . . Wednesday was the third time Paul Pierce has led the Celtics in both rebounds and assists this season and he has double-digit rebounds in four of the past five games.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: vgulab on February 07, 2013, 10:17:15 AM
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/536063_525224064183816_124548509_n.jpg

could this mean anything, i hope it's not KG :(
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Eddie20 on February 07, 2013, 10:18:48 AM
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/536063_525224064183816_124548509_n.jpg

could this mean anything, i hope it's not KG :(

That he's going to return from his knee injury.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: danglertx on February 07, 2013, 10:19:17 AM
He finally got his period?  That is my guess.  I'm assuming it is that he is cleared to play.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: vgulab on February 07, 2013, 10:21:21 AM
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/536063_525224064183816_124548509_n.jpg

could this mean anything, i hope it's not KG :(

That he's going to return from his knee injury.

probably you are right, no need to worry
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: CelticConcourse on February 07, 2013, 10:25:10 AM
We are not rebuilding, sillies.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: kozlodoev on February 07, 2013, 10:27:50 AM
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/536063_525224064183816_124548509_n.jpg

could this mean anything, i hope it's not KG :(

That he's going to return from his knee injury.

probably you are right, no need to worry
Can't see this on Paul's twitter feed.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: boscel33 on February 07, 2013, 10:29:52 AM
Source?

I grabbed it from ESPN Rumors section, but it quoted the Globe on KG and the Herald on PP.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: vgulab on February 07, 2013, 10:30:29 AM
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/536063_525224064183816_124548509_n.jpg

could this mean anything, i hope it's not KG :(

That he's going to return from his knee injury.

probably you are right, no need to worry
Can't see this on Paul's twitter feed.

i don't have twitter, i saw it on facebook
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 07, 2013, 10:34:55 AM
That quote from Pierce is pretty out of context.

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Before we get to the part that is certain to be sliced, diced and placed under an electron microscope ó comments that will invite words to be read between their lines ó it is important to know this: Paul Pierce is thoroughly committed to the Celtics and what theyíre presently trying to do.

Even with Rajon Rondo and Jared Sullinger down and out for the season, the captain still believes . . . even as he acknowledges the possibility that what comes next may not be conducive to his own goals and may force him to finish his career elsewhere.

But back to now. Pierce is intent on leaving an omelet on the face of all those who think the Celts are sunk.

ďNo doubt,Ē he said yesterday of his motives. ďI honestly feel this team could do something special beyond what anybody could probably believe. I feel like the talent thatís in this room, based on when I look at the East ó even with the circumstances with the injuries ó can still win. When I see how we play against a Miami and I see how we play vs. the Clippers and just what weíve got, I still feel like we can compete with anybody in the league.

ďYou know, this could be one of those special stories that come around every so many years.Ē

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ďIím at the point in my career where Iíve got to evaluate it each and every year,Ē Pierce said. ďItís all based on the situation and based on what I want out of this game still. I mean, Iíve still got a lot of love for the game. Iím still very motivated. But thereís other factors.

ďI mean, I really donít want to be part of a rebuilding situation again. I just think at this point in time thatís something that would wear on me too much mentally that I donít know what decision I may make if I have to. I may retire if I have to. You know, thatís something thatís a year-end process, especially given the situation that we have right now.Ē

According to Pierce, his call will be dictated by the direction the Celtics take moving forward. And while he has stated strongly that he would like to end his career with the club, he opened the door wide to the possibility he could finish elsewhere.

ďItís all on what they plan on doing,Ē said Pierce. ďIf they try to go into a rebuild mode, then, you know, I donít know if I want to be a part of that. But thatís up to them and what they need to do. I donít want to go out on a rebuild mode.

ďI want an opportunity to at least try to win another championship, simple and plain. And if thatís not going to be here ó if thatís going to be somewhere else ó so be it. Thatís what it has to be. I mean, even the greatest players played for other franchises.

ďAnd sometimes itís not about the player; itís about the franchise moving forward and doing what they feel is best for them. And players have their agendas, too, as far as older players as they wind down their career wanting to finish on successful teams.Ē

Pierce still believes he could accomplish that with the Celtics, but itís fair to say, too, he knows where his suitcase is should management decide to take the club in a reconstructive direction.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/02/pierce_i_dont_want_be_part_rebuilding_situation

Thanks for the clarification. It certainly seemed that the quote in the original thread was misleading.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: hpantazo on February 07, 2013, 10:36:50 AM
If it's Bledsoe and Jordan, you have to pull the trigger on that! KG goes to LA and competes for a ring, and it's not for the lakers. It's a win-win
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: letsgoblue86 on February 07, 2013, 10:52:32 AM
He finally got his period?  That is my guess.  I'm assuming it is that he is cleared to play.
Lol, this was what I was thinking too
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 07, 2013, 10:56:12 AM
Idk BIG could maybe stand for big ticket... i hope not
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: dreamgreen on February 07, 2013, 11:00:07 AM
If it's Bledsoe and Jordan, you have to pull the trigger on that! KG goes to LA and competes for a ring, and it's not for the lakers. It's a win-win

Agreed.

Than find a nice place for PP to get another chance and we get back some more assets.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: rondohondo on February 07, 2013, 11:02:25 AM
hahaha his big news....
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Here it is - I've partnered with @AvonInsider to launch the men's fragrance #Untouchable out Father's Day:http://prn.to/YEo9dA
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: WeMadeIt17 on February 07, 2013, 11:05:16 AM
hahaha his big news....
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Here it is - I've partnered with @AvonInsider to launch the men's fragrance #Untouchable out Father's Day:http://prn.to/YEo9dA


Whew! Lol
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 07, 2013, 11:07:38 AM
hahaha his big news....
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Here it is - I've partnered with @AvonInsider to launch the men's fragrance #Untouchable out Father's Day:http://prn.to/YEo9dA

hahaha! actually had me a little worried...

Whew! Lol
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Who on February 07, 2013, 11:35:05 AM
I hate to see Donald Sterling's Clippers win an NBA title.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: TheBig5 on February 07, 2013, 11:37:13 AM
I hate to see Donald Sterling's Clippers win an NBA title.

Just reading your post sent a shiver down my spine.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Kane3387 on February 07, 2013, 11:43:13 AM
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"Further speculation had the Clippers beefing up their offer to the Celtics for Garnett, replacing Caron Butler with young center DeAndre Jordan to go with point guard Eric Bledsoe. But an NBA source said Wednesday the sides have not discussed any deals, much less specifics of a Garnett trade."

Hard to say no to that...

Is there a link for this?
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: snively on February 07, 2013, 11:43:32 AM
It's weird how Pierce, the career-long Celtic, is far more open to a trade than KG.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Fafnir on February 07, 2013, 11:44:08 AM
It's weird how Pierce, the career-long Celtic, is far more open to a trade than KG.
Pierce doesn't have a no trade clause, so he has to be more open to a trade because he doesn't have the option of saying "no".
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: snively on February 07, 2013, 11:45:18 AM
It's weird how Pierce, the career-long Celtic, is far more open to a trade than KG.
Pierce doesn't have a no trade clause, so he has to be more open to a trade because he doesn't have the option of saying "no".

There's that, but Pierce gave the impression that he would ask for a trade if the C's went into the rebuild mode.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: dark19tower on February 07, 2013, 11:49:20 AM
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"Further speculation had the Clippers beefing up their offer to the Celtics for Garnett, replacing Caron Butler with young center DeAndre Jordan to go with point guard Eric Bledsoe. But an NBA source said Wednesday the sides have not discussed any deals, much less specifics of a Garnett trade."

Hard to say no to that...

Is there a link for this?

Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 07, 2013, 11:52:31 AM
I too would make this trade if KG agreed. 
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Kane3387 on February 07, 2013, 11:56:14 AM
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"Further speculation had the Clippers beefing up their offer to the Celtics for Garnett, replacing Caron Butler with young center DeAndre Jordan to go with point guard Eric Bledsoe. But an NBA source said Wednesday the sides have not discussed any deals, much less specifics of a Garnett trade."

Hard to say no to that...

Is there a link for this?

Couldn't agree more!

I think I would make them give us Odom's expiring deal and they take back Bass before I do the trade. Then maybe the Jazz would take Bledsoe and Odom's deal for Big Al or Milsap.

Basically you flip KG into getting rid of Bass and bringing in Jordan and Big Al or Milsap.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=axga9dh

Even if you kept Pierce that is still a team that would give teams trouble this year and with Rondo's return next year be a team to really reckon with in the east.

Edit: Forgot KG won't waive No Trade Clause unless Pierce is dealt. So Pierce would have to be outgoing as well.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: slamtheking on February 07, 2013, 12:26:10 PM
If it's Bledsoe and Jordan, you have to pull the trigger on that! KG goes to LA and competes for a ring, and it's not for the lakers. It's a win-win
why?  for a center whose only positive when compared to KG is that he's younger and a PG that will just be a glorified backup when Rondo's back next year? 

There's not enough in this deal to rebuild going forward and trading KG kills any chance at a title in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Cman on February 07, 2013, 12:28:54 PM
hahaha his big news....
Quote
Here it is - I've partnered with @AvonInsider to launch the men's fragrance #Untouchable out Father's Day:http://prn.to/YEo9dA

Hahahahaha!
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Kane3387 on February 07, 2013, 12:32:52 PM
If it's Bledsoe and Jordan, you have to pull the trigger on that! KG goes to LA and competes for a ring, and it's not for the lakers. It's a win-win
why?  for a center whose only positive when compared to KG is that he's younger and a PG that will just be a glorified backup when Rondo's back next year? 

There's not enough in this deal to rebuild going forward and trading KG kills any chance at a title in the foreseeable future.

DeAndre has ability. He is very good at sucking the defense to the rim when he dives after picks. Teams have to respect his alley oop ability ala Tyson Chandler. Rondo would play well with him in that regard. He is also a good rim protector and still has potential to get better.

If we got Jordan then the other three guys in the starting lineup all have to be very good scorers.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: acieEarl on February 07, 2013, 12:34:46 PM
You gotta figure if PP or Garnett gets traded, the other one is out the door as well. If PP leaves I could see Garnett loosing his stance on the no trade clause.

Huge fan of Garnett and everything he brings to the table but I'd pull the trigger with LA if they throw Jordan in the deal. Two solid young players with one being a big is going to be tough to find a better deal.
Title: Pierce Unwilling To Be Part Of Rebuilding Situation
Post by: crownontherocks on February 07, 2013, 12:44:17 PM
Paul Pierce would be averse to being part of a Boston Celtics rebuilding project.

ďIím at the point in my career where Iíve got to evaluate it each and every year,Ē Pierce said. ďItís all based on the situation and based on what I want out of this game still. I mean, Iíve still got a lot of love for the game. Iím still very motivated. But thereís other factors.

ďI mean, I really donít want to be part of a rebuilding situation again. I just think at this point in time thatís something that would wear on me too much mentally that I donít know what decision I may make if I have to. I may retire if I have to. You know, thatís something thatís a year-end process, especially given the situation that we have right now.Ē

Pierce left open the possibility he could finish his career with another team.

ďItís all on what they plan on doing,Ē said Pierce. ďIf they try to go into a rebuild mode, then, you know, I donít know if I want to be a part of that. But thatís up to them and what they need to do. I donít want to go out on a rebuild mode.

ďI want an opportunity to at least try to win another championship, simple and plain. And if thatís not going to be here ó if thatís going to be somewhere else ó so be it. Thatís what it has to be. I mean, even the greatest players played for other franchises.Ē

Via Steve Bulpett/Boston Herald
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: MBunge on February 07, 2013, 12:49:35 PM
If it's Bledsoe and Jordan, you have to pull the trigger on that! KG goes to LA and competes for a ring, and it's not for the lakers. It's a win-win
why?  for a center whose only positive when compared to KG is that he's younger and a PG that will just be a glorified backup when Rondo's back next year? 

There's not enough in this deal to rebuild going forward and trading KG kills any chance at a title in the foreseeable future.

1.  Boston is a longshot at best to win a title with KG.

2.  Getting Bledsoe and Jordan opens the door to trading Rondo.  Right now, it would be stupid to trade Rondo without getting an all-star caliber PG or big back.  If you've got B+J, there's a lot more possible deals to make that bring in an all-star caliber wing and maybe a pick in exchange for Rondo.

3.  While I'm fine with KG retiring as a Celtic, it means starting the rebuilding process with nothing but cap space.  Dallas threw away a championship contending team for cap space, wasted the last two seasons and may waste the rest of Dirk's career because of it.

Mike
Title: Re: Paul pierce thread deleted ?
Post by: anthony83 on February 07, 2013, 01:24:28 PM
I understand to Pierce, he's 35, he wants a last run and if in the Celtics he can not this, his opinion is normal.
At this point of his careers, PP and KG can not parts of a rebuilding.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 07, 2013, 01:43:51 PM
I'm pretty sure that Danny Ainge and the Celtics' owners are quite averse at rebuilding.

As far as rebuilding efforts go, I can sleep comfortably at night that Danny Ainge is not planning on going that route.

If he blows-up the team, it'll be to get players that can actually compete right now, while gaining assets for the future at the very least.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Lightskinsmurf on February 07, 2013, 01:48:20 PM
If it's Bledsoe and Jordan, you have to pull the trigger on that! KG goes to LA and competes for a ring, and it's not for the lakers. It's a win-win
why?  for a center whose only positive when compared to KG is that he's younger and a PG that will just be a glorified backup when Rondo's back next year? 

There's not enough in this deal to rebuild going forward and trading KG kills any chance at a title in the foreseeable future.

1.  Boston is a longshot at best to win a title with KG.

2.  Getting Bledsoe and Jordan opens the door to trading Rondo.  Right now, it would be stupid to trade Rondo without getting an all-star caliber PG or big back.  If you've got B+J, there's a lot more possible deals to make that bring in an all-star caliber wing and maybe a pick in exchange for Rondo.

3.  While I'm fine with KG retiring as a Celtic, it means starting the rebuilding process with nothing but cap space.  Dallas threw away a championship contending team for cap space, wasted the last two seasons and may waste the rest of Dirk's career because of it.

Mike

Very well said, like always.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 07, 2013, 02:09:25 PM
If we trade KG, the entire culture of this team will change for the worse.  I have no doubt that removing KG from this team would result in a total rebuild... and likely a decade+ of mediocrity.

We're heading there anyways... it's inevitable.  Our team doesn't have a superstar and we are nowhere close to acquiring one.  The long winter is coming... so maybe they want to expedite that process and get the 10 year rebuild started.  That said, the longer we can have KG in this locker room mentoring and tutoring the young players and keeping the culture of Celtic pride alive... the better chance we have of having our young players "get it".  KG is lightning in a bottle.  He single-handedly brought back the long dead "Celtic Pride" aura that was the staple here during Russell's 60s, Cowen/Hondo's 70s and Bird's 80s.  Continuity between those generations is part of the reason Celtic pride was able to last as long as it did.   If KG leaves, it's unlikely that some role players like Sullinger and Bradley will keep it alive alone.  We need more time...and we need better prospects for KG to tutor.  Time is running out.   I believe that's why we have continued to desperately shop Rondo.  Rondo is a solid player in his prime, but he's not a superstar you build a team around.  We desperately want a superstar prospect for the next generation and Rondo isn't that.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: celts10 on February 07, 2013, 02:28:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that Danny Ainge and the Celtics' owners are quite averse at rebuilding.

I'd say Doc, too.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: celts10 on February 07, 2013, 02:33:56 PM
2.  Getting Bledsoe and Jordan opens the door to trading Rondo.  Right now, it would be stupid to trade Rondo without getting an all-star caliber PG or big back.  If you've got B+J, there's a lot more possible deals to make that bring in an all-star caliber wing and maybe a pick in exchange for Rondo.

That's what I'm thinking, Mike. Even before the season started, I've always thought once KG and/or Pierce retired or got moved, Rondo's days as a Celtic were numbered. As much as I'd hate to see KG go, I honestly don't mind the Jordan/Bledsoe package.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: Kane3387 on February 07, 2013, 02:44:20 PM
If we trade KG, the entire culture of this team will change for the worse.  I have no doubt that removing KG from this team would result in a total rebuild... and likely a decade+ of mediocrity.

We're heading there anyways... it's inevitable.  Our team doesn't have a superstar and we are nowhere close to acquiring one.  The long winter is coming... so maybe they want to expedite that process and get the 10 year rebuild started.  That said, the longer we can have KG in this locker room mentoring and tutoring the young players and keeping the culture of Celtic pride alive... the better chance we have of having our young players "get it".  KG is lightning in a bottle.  He single-handedly brought back the long dead "Celtic Pride" aura that was the staple here during Russell's 60s, Cowen/Hondo's 70s and Bird's 80s.  Continuity between those generations is part of the reason Celtic pride was able to last as long as it did.   If KG leaves, it's unlikely that some role players like Sullinger and Bradley will keep it alive alone.  We need more time...and we need better prospects for KG to tutor.  Time is running out.   I believe that's why we have continued to desperately shop Rondo.  Rondo is a solid player in his prime, but he's not a superstar you build a team around.  We desperately want a superstar prospect for the next generation and Rondo isn't that.

I don't think so. Doc and Rondo will still be running things. But you're right KG is going to be gone soon one way or another. I can't fault the Celtics for considering to get assets back for him now.

I think we can add talent around Rondo and continue to compete if we make the right moves. Let's assume the Clips really do want KG and are willing to part with DeAndre and Bledsoe. I say hold out and receive Odom for Bass as well to unload his deal.

I did some tinkering on the trade machine. And this deal works. Utah would have to be game, but they have been looking for a young PG to go with their young core for a while.

Boston receives Deandre Jordan and Al Jefferson (who would have to resign on a logical deal for us.)

Utah receives Odom's expiring and Bledsoe.
* They get their PG prospect nd take no extra money on.

LAC receives KG, Bass, Terry, and absorb Collins into a Trade Exception to make salaries work.

Boston unloads Terry and Bass. They get back Big Al and Deandre who honestly make up an intriguing C and PF combo.

Clearly Pierce would have to be moved too in another deal or KG won't waive the Trade Clause. So he would be bringing in other pieces too.

As a result you look at a team with guys like Rondo, Big Al, Jeff Green, Deandre Jordan, Avery Bradley, Courtney Lee, Jared Sullinger, and Fab Melo. Also whatever you get back in a Pierce deal which will be pretty good.

You could potentially have a very young, talented, and versatile group of players. They're is also some solid depth.

My ultimate point is that by moving a Pierce or KG doesn't mean we HAVE to go into full rebuild mode. It could also be a chance to reload in an Eastern Conference that outside of LeBron is very wide open.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: celticpride07 on February 07, 2013, 02:55:04 PM
Trade KG to LAC for bledsoe and Jordan

Then trade pierce, terry, collins to GSW for Barnes, Thompson, Biedrins, jefferson

Gives us a lot of young talent and future trade chips

LAC gets Garnett who they're hot after and GSW gets better for a title run

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aatp5yr (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aatp5yr)

Bledsoe/barbosa ( rondo)
Bradley/lee
Thompson/Barnes/jefferson
Bass/green/Biedrins  (sullinger)
Jordan/Wilcox/melo
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: erisred on February 07, 2013, 03:43:42 PM
If we trade KG, the entire culture of this team will change for the worse.  I have no doubt that removing KG from this team would result in a total rebuild... and likely a decade+ of mediocrity.

We're heading there anyways... it's inevitable.  Our team doesn't have a superstar and we are nowhere close to acquiring one.  The long winter is coming... so maybe they want to expedite that process and get the 10 year rebuild started.  That said, the longer we can have KG in this locker room mentoring and tutoring the young players and keeping the culture of Celtic pride alive... the better chance we have of having our young players "get it".  KG is lightning in a bottle.  He single-handedly brought back the long dead "Celtic Pride" aura that was the staple here during Russell's 60s, Cowen/Hondo's 70s and Bird's 80s.  Continuity between those generations is part of the reason Celtic pride was able to last as long as it did.   If KG leaves, it's unlikely that some role players like Sullinger and Bradley will keep it alive alone.  We need more time...and we need better prospects for KG to tutor.  Time is running out.   I believe that's why we have continued to desperately shop Rondo.  Rondo is a solid player in his prime, but he's not a superstar you build a team around.  We desperately want a superstar prospect for the next generation and Rondo isn't that.
I don't usually agree with you, but I do this time. Fully and completely.

KG and Pierce stay. We need them for the intangibles they bring to the team. Besides, I'm still convinced that KG is better now and next year...and maybe the year after that...than anybody the C's could get in trade for him. Pierce is better than anybody we can get for him, as well.

Yes, Danny has got to find the next superstar and he might have to trade a lot of guys we really, really, like to get him. It may come down to Paul or Kevin going, too, but that should be last resort, not first.

Trade Bass and Wilcox for one good PF/C. I like Lee, Terry, Barbosa, and Melo has potential, but they are trade assets. I *really* like Green, Bradley, and Sullinger has grown on me, but I yep, I trade them before I trade KG or Paul. I'd even trade Rondo, and selling low is a big no-no for me, a quality center who can help right now and a first round pick.

I think the Celtics really are one quality big man away from having more than a puncher's chance at making the finals.

Bradley/Lee/Terry/Barbosa - our committee of guards will do
Pierce/Green - still as good once as he ever was
Bass/Green - one man short
KG/??? - one man short

We need one very good PF/C, or a backup PF and a backup C. A real PG wouldn't hurt, but that's a distant third on my wish list.

Danny has Melo, Wilcox, Collins, this year's pick...and I don't like it, but a low balled Rondo and/or Sullinger to get them.

Anybody else out and we'll be making holes. Trade Bass and you need another big. Trade Bradley or Terry and you need a PG. Trade Lee or Barbosa and you need an SG. Trade Green and you need an SF.
Title: Re: KG and/or Pierce to be dealt???
Post by: erisred on February 07, 2013, 03:47:42 PM
KG isn't going anywhere unless Pierce is traded first. So, if you insist on talking about trading KG, then come up with a trade for Paul first! 

If you can't make a convincing Paul Pierce trade scenario, then you might as well punt on the KG trade talks.